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Houshyamama
09-27-2010, 03:27 PM
Which direction is this team headed in? The farther removed I am from yesterday's game, the better I feel about this team. We can move the ball, no question. I think a lot of our redzone woes came down to poor communication and bad luck. I thought the defense was stellar given the situations it was put in.

Vote or Die

bowtown
09-27-2010, 03:37 PM
We'll go undefeated this year.

Bronco Rob
09-27-2010, 03:40 PM
GO BRONCOS!





:afro:

Houshyamama
09-27-2010, 03:50 PM
GO BRONCOS!





:afro:

:afro: ****in' right. I'll definitely appreciate the Broncos' success much more this time around. Growing up in CO, Broncos were expected to be brilliant each year. Now that time has passed since the glory days, I think we'll see a real resurgence in Bronco land when we next have success.

DivineLegion
09-27-2010, 03:59 PM
If we have Andre Goodman, and Elvis Dumervile in this game we beat the Colts. If we can stay healthy in key areas next season I could see the Broncos winning the division, and making a deep playoff run. Robert Ayers is making huge strides in his pass rushing ability that should translate to a dynamic one two combo with Elvis healthy. We already have one of the best secondaries in the league. Our offense is the youngest unit we have right now, and showing some flash's of dominance.

I see this team following a similar path to the Giants a few years ago. They went out in the draft loaded up on young talent across the offensive line, and what do you know two years later they had one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. There were some major growing pains, most of which were felt by Kurt Warner, but when they started clicking that team became a sure fire playoff contender/ super bowl championship squad.

The next step for the Broncos is to address key areas along the defensive line. If we dedicate our first three picks in the 11' draft we are going to see something really special start to develop. We already have a lot of blue chip players that are chomping at the bit. Darcel McBath continues to impress, Elvis is 26, Robert Ayers is prove why we drafted him in the first round, Perish Cox got beat up this week but you can't deny this kids potential. Perish Cox has the size and the speed to be a really good corner in the league. All it is going to take for Perish to break out is experience, and he's surrounded by Hall of Fame players to ease that process along. I would love for the Broncos to go out and pick up a corner similar to Sean Smith of the Dolphins (6'3" 214) who can run with big physical receivers. Address the front 7 with our first three picks (1,2,2) and use our third (we still have a third right?) to go after a freakishly big DB with good hips. If we do that we can eventually move Champ to FS, Darcel will take over for Dawkins, Cox will move into the starting Corner position, and Squid will be our nickle.

I have a feeling our offense is set with a stable of young skill position players, and a young offensive line. What's great about that is you can see that they are starting to really click out there. After this season I think we are looking at a top ten offense. Next season we will probably see an even more effective offense, and our defense will be on the verge of equal dominance. So yea were going to be mediocre this year, but next year I think we will be primed for a significant playoff push.

Houshyamama
09-27-2010, 04:16 PM
Great post DivineLegion. I believe we are a couple great Dline starters and one dominant MLB away from being dominant on defense. I'd like to take this opportunity to say I love the direction McDaniels is taking this team in and that he as my full confidence.

Rabb
09-27-2010, 04:17 PM
I will always believe we can make the playoffs until it's just not mathematically possible anymore. Otherwise, what's the point?

How many seasons did San Diego start off ****ty and win the division? Tennessee was 0-6 and went on an amazing run to finish the season. I am not giving up, that's pussy ****.

Go Broncos

Rulon Velvet Jones
09-27-2010, 04:17 PM
Southeast.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
09-27-2010, 04:25 PM
bandwagon fans feel free to jump i like the potential future of this team

loborugger
09-27-2010, 04:36 PM
Which direction is this team headed in? The farther removed I am from yesterday's game, the better I feel about this team. We can move the ball, no question. I think a lot of our redzone woes came down to poor communication and bad luck. I thought the defense was stellar given the situations it was put in.

Vote or Die

I kinda felt that way as the game progressed yesterday. I wont venture a guess as to when we might make a play off appearance, but I was glad to see that the team fought on 'til the end.

I dont know what the general consensus is out there, but this team is better off without the two big named head cases. They can wear out their welcomes in Chicago & Miami. I cant wait to hear one of the talking heads that questioned the team's sanity to say the same thing. But alas, much as Kiper never remembers the busts he annoints into Canton, I am not holding my breath about this happening.

MVP-06
09-27-2010, 04:40 PM
Im personally excited about the potential that is on this team. I think Thomas/Cox/Beadles/Walton/ and even Decker were hits in this last draft. We all think Tebow has potential but to be honest Orton's development has given Denver time to develop him a la Aaron Rodgers.

Doom and Ayers will be a force for the next several years. Sign champ and the youngsters at DB look promising. IMO Safety and d-line are our weak spots. Dawkins is decent, but looks a step slow this year and Hill is not the answer. Our d-line is old and underwhelming. If we can address these two areas I think we become competitive very quickly for the playoffs.

Mr.Meanie
09-27-2010, 04:42 PM
Things are looking up. Haters gonna hate

WABronco
09-27-2010, 04:46 PM
/pat on back

Ya I love this team great team fiery coach great plan.

/pat on back

Nah but seriously I don't really see the need for panicking or giving up. We have a really good passing game and young players on offense (again). We laid an egg in JAX and lost to the Colts. What else is new?

We have some hard ass games coming up though.

Boomhauer
09-27-2010, 04:49 PM
Had a difficult time selecting "Cellar team this year and next, McDaniels gets canned" because:
- I'm not sure if the Broncos are worse than the Raiders, though now that Gradkowski is under center, we probably are. - I don't think McD will be around next season and, therefore, we'll probably be alot better.

~Crash~
09-27-2010, 04:52 PM
Can someone tell me were the crowd was they use to be the best in the NFL not even close Seattle is probably number one . Broncos Crowds use to make most nose , they suck now.

Taco John
09-27-2010, 04:55 PM
Had a difficult time selecting "Cellar team this year and next, McDaniels gets canned" because:
- I'm not sure if the Broncos are worse than the Raiders, though now that Gradkowski is under center, we probably are. - I don't think McD will be around next season and, therefore, we'll probably be alot better.

I think you're nuts if you don't think Bowlen will give Josh a full three years.

Taco John
09-27-2010, 04:58 PM
Dang ol Bowlen man, I tell you what man, dang ol Josh will get dang 'ol like three full years man.

Houshyamama
09-27-2010, 05:02 PM
Can someone tell me were the crowd was they use to be the best in the NFL not even close Seattle is probably number one . Broncos Crowds use to make most nose , they suck now.

The new stadium killed the old crowd. Ridiculous ticket prices, the pandering to the wine and cheese crowd, the Mickey Mouse family oriented feel of the games... all these seemed to have contributed. Football is a violent and gladiatorial sport, Invesco feels like a trip to Disneyland. All the stupid gimmicks they do during commercials makes me want to leave in disgust. Whenever you stand up to cheer, you almost feel like you're violating the rules. You can hear everyone behind you thinking, "Please sit down, if I stand up I'll spill this wonderful 92' Cabernet".

gtown
09-27-2010, 05:02 PM
We still have 80% of the season left to play. I think this team has potential and you never know in the AFC West.

Houshyamama
09-27-2010, 05:05 PM
The fact that there are zero votes for 'average then cellar' and 4 votes for 'cellar then cellar' is funny to me. They don't believe we'll slowly decline or that this team is at least as good as last year's team. These 4 voters clearly believe that McDaniels has completely destroyed this squad. I guess we'll see.

NYBronco
09-27-2010, 05:41 PM
I like the potential this team has. I voted average this year and playoffs next year but still feel we could see the playoffs this year... icing on the cake for me if we do.

WolfpackGuy
09-27-2010, 05:53 PM
Sideways just like the running game.

8-8ish

Hulamau
09-27-2010, 06:00 PM
Had a difficult time selecting "Cellar team this year and next, McDaniels gets canned" because:
- I'm not sure if the Broncos are worse than the Raiders, though now that Gradkowski is under center, we probably are. - I don't think McD will be around next season and, therefore, we'll probably be alot better.

Moronic presumption number 1,768.

Hamrob
09-27-2010, 06:02 PM
If we have Andre Goodman, and Elvis Dumervile in this game we beat the Colts. If we can stay healthy in key areas next season I could see the Broncos winning the division, and making a deep playoff run. Robert Ayers is making huge strides in his pass rushing ability that should translate to a dynamic one two combo with Elvis healthy. We already have one of the best secondaries in the league. Our offense is the youngest unit we have right now, and showing some flash's of dominance.

I see this team following a similar path to the Giants a few years ago. They went out in the draft loaded up on young talent across the offensive line, and what do you know two years later they had one of the best offensive lines in the NFL. There were some major growing pains, most of which were felt by Kurt Warner, but when they started clicking that team became a sure fire playoff contender/ super bowl championship squad.

The next step for the Broncos is to address key areas along the defensive line. If we dedicate our first three picks in the 11' draft we are going to see something really special start to develop. We already have a lot of blue chip players that are chomping at the bit. Darcel McBath continues to impress, Elvis is 26, Robert Ayers is prove why we drafted him in the first round, Perish Cox got beat up this week but you can't deny this kids potential. Perish Cox has the size and the speed to be a really good corner in the league. All it is going to take for Perish to break out is experience, and he's surrounded by Hall of Fame players to ease that process along. I would love for the Broncos to go out and pick up a corner similar to Sean Smith of the Dolphins (6'3" 214) who can run with big physical receivers. Address the front 7 with our first three picks (1,2,2) and use our third (we still have a third right?) to go after a freakishly big DB with good hips. If we do that we can eventually move Champ to FS, Darcel will take over for Dawkins, Cox will move into the starting Corner position, and Squid will be our nickle.

I have a feeling our offense is set with a stable of young skill position players, and a young offensive line. What's great about that is you can see that they are starting to really click out there. After this season I think we are looking at a top ten offense. Next season we will probably see an even more effective offense, and our defense will be on the verge of equal dominance. So yea were going to be mediocre this year, but next year I think we will be primed for a significant playoff push.If they have Garcon and Garcia we get beat worse.

DivineLegion
09-27-2010, 08:49 PM
If they have Garcon and Garcia we get beat worse.

I disagree. First of all Garcon has looked like crap this year, second Nate Jones played really well in this game and would have matched up pretty well with Garcon. Bringing Garcia into the equation is comical because the guy has Bob Sanders syndrom squared. If Bob Sanders is in this game we might lose, but he is going to be an after thought in a year or two any way. Bob Sanders makes Mike Brown look like Brett Favre.

colonelbeef
09-27-2010, 10:32 PM
Sideways just like the running game.

8-8ish

bingo

SoCalBronco
09-27-2010, 10:35 PM
Below average team this year, playoff contender next year.

I like the young talent we've been adding, even though I don't care for the general philosophy of drafting they appear to subscribe to. For the most part, we're generally coached well, too. I'm really looking forward to watching Tebow when Josh has had enough time to work with him. A few more pieces and some better luck is what the doctor ordered.

NFLBRONCO
09-27-2010, 10:42 PM
I think you're nuts if you don't think Bowlen will give Josh a full three years.

Yep I highly doubt Bowlen would pay 3 HC's in 2011. 2013 offseason is earliest I see McD getting canned when his contract expires.

Cito Pelon
09-27-2010, 10:52 PM
I still think Denver can make the playoffs this year. The teams left on the schedule aren't so much better than Denver. I thought we'd be at 2-1 now, but I'm still thinking we'll be at 4-4 come bye week after the Wembley game.

It's gonna be tough to go 6-2 in the final 8, but four are at home.

snowspot66
09-27-2010, 10:58 PM
I still think Denver can make the playoffs this year. The teams left on the schedule aren't so much better than Denver. I thought we'd be at 2-1 now, but I'm still thinking we'll be at 4-4 come bye week after the Wembley game.

It's gonna be tough to go 6-2 in the final 8, but four are at home.

I figure if we sweep the NFC West (very doable), take 4 in the Division, we only need to find two more wins to have a real shot at the playoffs. It's a very realistic possibility. I think we can beat any team in the league if we can just stop screwing it up in the red zone.

DivineLegion
09-27-2010, 11:02 PM
Yep I highly doubt Bowlen would pay 3 HC's in 2011. 2013 offseason is earliest I see McD getting canned when his contract expires.

I thought we stoped paying Mike when he joined the Skins?

NFLBRONCO
09-27-2010, 11:14 PM
I still think Denver can make the playoffs this year. The teams left on the schedule aren't so much better than Denver. I thought we'd be at 2-1 now, but I'm still thinking we'll be at 4-4 come bye week after the Wembley game.

It's gonna be tough to go 6-2 in the final 8, but four are at home.

4-4 at bye maybe playoffs less draft talk

uplink
09-27-2010, 11:14 PM
The talent level has been going up the last 3 years now. Talent across the OLine, WRs, LBers, secondary. Orton is at least as good as Cutler and there is enough WR talent to not miss BMarsh. This team will be good by the end of the year, very good next year. I like the direction things are going.

NASurfer
09-28-2010, 12:31 AM
Southeast.
I see this team going up and also down but always twirling, twirling, twirling towards freedom.

Pick Six
09-28-2010, 12:37 AM
We generally start strong, and fade at the end of the season. How about we do it the other way around? I still feel optimistic that Denver can make the playoffs this season. Red zone problems are kicking us in the rear, though...

bendog
09-28-2010, 07:01 AM
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0375063/

LRtagger
09-28-2010, 07:20 AM
If they have Garcon and Garcia we get beat worse.

If we have Doom, Harris, Moreno, Goodman we win.



This is fun.

Mountain Bronco
09-28-2010, 01:25 PM
If if if if if if if if if if if if if..... it is hard to tell where this team is going, because, if no one got injured we would be better, if we didn't have boneheaded plays we would be better, if McD would be more creative in the redzone, if champ was 100% etc.... to many ifs which is a problem.

bendog
09-28-2010, 02:42 PM
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Popps
09-28-2010, 02:46 PM
Wow, pretty bullish responses. Nice to see the sentiment so positive around here, even if it's hard to tell because of the the "fan" trolls.

Cool Breeze
09-28-2010, 03:37 PM
I think you're nuts if you don't think Bowlen will give Josh a full three years.

Clearly this statement is steeped in reality...

You could guess who the bottomfeeders were who would say Josh is out after this year!

HA!
Lets revisit this thread next fall just to admire the vast football knowledge

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 03:40 PM
The talent level has been going up the last 3 years now. Talent across the OLine, WRs, LBers, secondary. Orton is at least as good as Cutler and there is enough WR talent to not miss BMarsh. This team will be good by the end of the year, very good next year. I like the direction things are going.

do you believe in santa claus and unicorns too?

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 03:41 PM
Wow, pretty bullish responses. Nice to see the sentiment so positive around here, even if it's hard to tell because of the the "fan" trolls.

fan police alert!!!

beep beep beep

Are you still proud of the 13 points at home vs an injured, mediocre to begin with defense?

Houshyamama
09-28-2010, 04:03 PM
do you believe in santa claus and unicorns too?

I doubt he does, not everyone can join you in your fantasy land of team hatred. Better luck with someone else I guess.

Chris
09-28-2010, 04:10 PM
The mane is a microcosm for America. The majority moderates remain largely silent.

Merlin
09-28-2010, 04:47 PM
Since it was not listed, mediocre this yr and mediocre next. We are not good enough to be average, but we are better than the Raiders, so we should not be cellar dwellers.

Merlin
09-28-2010, 04:57 PM
The talent level has been going up the last 3 years now. Talent across the OLine, WRs, LBers, secondary. Orton is at least as good as Cutler and there is enough WR talent to not miss BMarsh. This team will be good by the end of the year, very good next year. I like the direction things are going.
If you had stuck to the D, you would have had a decent statement, but your focus on the is moronic to put it mildly. Cutler had a worse WR core, worse OL, worse D, and worse running game, yet he has a better record than Orton (and McD for that matter). Cutler's is on a 5 game winning streak (and Orton is on a 3-10 skid), including teams such as the Vikings when they were strong and fighting for home field advantage, Dallas whose D was attempting to decapitate him in the first half, and GB who had the second best rated D last yr. BMarsh is a beast by any measure, and to suggest that we are better without him is just stupid fandom. The OL has improved, but only in the context of having a power running game, but we have absolutely nothing to show for it. Cutler with the guard and center we got rid of was able to get far more out of the running game even though we lost 7 running backs in his last season, and he was able to make the protection work. One could go on, but what is the point, kool-aid drinking, blind fanaticism drives too much of the analysis for many of the posters here.

jsco70
09-28-2010, 05:27 PM
The talent level has been going up the last 3 years now. Talent across the OLine, WRs, LBers, secondary. Orton is at least as good as Cutler and there is enough WR talent to not miss BMarsh. This team will be good by the end of the year, very good next year. I like the direction things are going.

Agree 100%.

Durango
09-28-2010, 06:18 PM
We still need a franchise-type RB, a couple D-line studs and a playmaker LB to pair with Williams. Other than that, this team is on the cusp. If there's a lock-out in '11, Denver might return with all those holes adequately filled late in the next season or in 2012.

DivineLegion
09-28-2010, 07:12 PM
If you had stuck to the D, you would have had a decent statement, but your focus on the is moronic to put it mildly. Cutler had a worse WR core, worse OL, worse D, and worse running game, yet he has a better record than Orton (and McD for that matter). Cutler's is on a 5 game winning streak (and Orton is on a 3-10 skid), including teams such as the Vikings when they were strong and fighting for home field advantage, Dallas whose D was attempting to decapitate him in the first half, and GB who had the second best rated D last yr. BMarsh is a beast by any measure, and to suggest that we are better without him is just stupid fandom. The OL has improved, but only in the context of having a power running game, but we have absolutely nothing to show for it. Cutler with the guard and center we got rid of was able to get far more out of the running game even though we lost 7 running backs in his last season, and he was able to make the protection work. One could go on, but what is the point, kool-aid drinking, blind fanaticism drives too much of the analysis for many of the posters here.


See you can't call someone a moron, and then go from past tense to present tense in the same sentence. Now if you want to compare Jay Cutlers early season success to the Broncos this season you would be a fool to say the Broncos have a better defense and running game. Now if you want to compare what Jay did with the Broncos to Kyle Orton's first year in Denver about the only measure you have to go by is both players finnished with an 8-8 record, and a historic collapse.

The problem with comparing both QB's is your comparing apples to oranges. The comparison can't really be helped because both players legacies will always be intertwined, but they are two totaly diffrent animals. While Cutler is more physicaly gifted than Orton you have to take into account the intangible that make a guy like Tim Tebow an NFL prospect. Orton was a Heisman Trophy canidate at Purdue, Hes proven he can win football games at the Pro level, and his redzone turnover ratio is outstanding. Do you remember the 2008 Bills game where Cutler hit Kawika Mitchell in the chest on a crucial game winning drive (If you don't remeber that was one of the Bills middle linebackers, and a former Chief). That was a must win game, and pulling it out would have put the Broncos in the playoffs for the first time since the 2005 season. Whats really funny about that game is that was one game where our defense really steped up to the plate, and it was our offense who couldn't seal the deal. Back to my point and enough bitching. Both players have diffrent skill sets and intangibles that allow them to be Starting QBs in the NFL, both players play in diffrent systems, and the only thing that really links these two players is a trade that happened two years ago. Now if you want to look at the Trade then you should compare the impact all of the players that have resulted from that trade plus Kyle Orton, then we can start talking value.

BroncoMan4ever
09-28-2010, 09:36 PM
i am looking at this team as a team that is almost there. the OL is in need of chemistry and some time together as a full unit without a weekly patchwork. once that gets set the running game will return.

if after the first 6 games of the season Denver is sitting at 3-3, i really believe this team could end as a 10+ win team at the end of the year.

TheChamp24
09-29-2010, 07:36 AM
This is an average team this year in my eyes.
A decent defense that will at times border on great, but can also border on being terrible.
The offense struggles in the red zone and has no running game to speak of.

If we start to actually be able to run the ball, I see us being a playoff team.
Next year, if our guys progress and we add depth to the DL/get a playmaker at safety to go along with a speed RB, I really like their chances.

bronco militia
09-29-2010, 10:16 AM
the broncos will a 7-9 win team for the next 2 years, josh will get canned and have a great coaching career somewhere else.

go_broncos
09-29-2010, 10:20 AM
the broncos will a 7-9 win team for the next 2 years, josh will get canned and have a great coaching career somewhere else.

Once Mcd gets fired, I can see posters like Baja and Popps creating threads that he suck.

bronco militia
09-29-2010, 10:49 AM
Once Mcd gets fired, I can see posters like Baja and Popps creating threads that he suck.

LOL...awesome