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BigPlayShay
09-27-2010, 10:47 PM
Quarterback Rating Leaders - QualifiedRK PLAYER TEAM ATT COMP PCT YDS YDS/A LONG TD INT SACK RATE YDS/G
1 Jay Cutler, QB CHI 64 44 68.8 649 10.14 89 5 1 5 121.2 325
2 Peyton Manning, QB IND 126 87 69.0 1013 8.04 73 9 0 3 116.9 338
3 Michael Vick, QB PHI 89 54 60.7 750 8.43 61 6 0 11 110.2 250
4 Tom Brady, QB NE 98 66 67.3 758 7.74 46 8 2 2 109.1 253
5 Drew Brees, QB NO 112 85 75.9 856 7.64 80 6 2 5 107.6 285
6 Mark Sanchez, QB NYJ 79 46 58.2 550 6.96 67 6 0 5 104.9 183
7 Kyle Orton, QB DEN 125 83 66.4 1078 8.62 61 4 2 5 97.4 359
8 Vince Young, QB TEN 43 30 69.8 338 7.86 56 3 2 5 96.9 113
9 Philip Rivers, QB SD 121 73 60.3 1087 8.98 59 7 4 7 95.3 362
10 Matt Schaub, QB HOU 101 70 69.3 845 8.37 50 5 4 11 94.7 282

FWIW, these numbers do not include Jay's game tonight.

SoCalBronco
09-27-2010, 10:47 PM
**** Cutler, he doesn't deserve ****.

In no way, shape, or form will I ever root for him, aside from the Bears meeting the Chargers in the Super Bowl.

No one that whines his way out of a situation like that deserves any sort of positive recognition for any sort of intangibles.

The same goes for Marshall. I have no desire to root for the success of a guy that only wanted more money and in addition acted like he was the only guy to go through the Darrent Williams situation. How do you think Champ, DJ, and all the other guys feel about that?

They're both overpaid, spoiled babies that deserve no success.

Bro....Jay reminds me of Zach Parise, except he's even awesomer, if that's even possible. :)

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Phoenix+Coyotes+v+New+Jersey+Devils+rLtNBLrL2yZl.j pg

;D

/runs for the hills

j/k lol

Archer81
09-27-2010, 10:48 PM
So you are good with the vaunted 5 year plan. Because they won't have multiple first rounders to blow starting next year.


Do I look like a Chief's fan to you?

I'm patient, but its not infinite. If the Broncos are not a playoff team or show that trend by next season, then I am done with McDaniels.


:Broncos:

colonelbeef
09-27-2010, 10:49 PM
I said nearly.

But then again points dont matter to some, only offensive rankings do. I get you are upset, but I dont think any of us really knew how talent deficient the team was before McD. What we have now is alot of youth. Mistakes, poor execution and inconsistent play is going to happen. That hardly means the Broncos are talent deficient as compared to the 07 or 08 teams. McDaniels wants certain players. He is bringing them in and that takes time.

:Broncos:

I agree with you, young players are going to make mistakes. I just dont see why we are going through growing pains again when we already were just getting through them with the last young core, and things wee looking bright- at least offensively.

The team is older, both offensively and defensively. The team was already young, and was more talented in my opinion. There simply was no reason to tear it up. This is becoming painfully obvious.

I have said and continue to say that McDaniels deserves at least 3 years to fully implement his players and his systems, and I will support Bowlen in keeping him no matter what goes down this season- but man, it's hard to watch sometimes.

I know some of you think I hate the Broncos, am a bad fan, etc. The opposite is true, and this stretch is truly killing me. I argue with you guys because I love this team, and that is all there is to it.

Look, I pray that Tebow to Thomas is the next big tandem, trust me. I would like nothing more than to watch Tebow pull this off. I think McDaniels should get a chance to run him out there and see what he can do.

I will cheer fist pumps all day long, so long as they are backed up with smart play on the field, and quality talent to run the plays.

I just am not sold on the approach, on the way assets have been spent on positions we already had covered, and on the total lack of respect for having some semblance of a run game. In Chicago you have Linebackers, in Pittsburgh you have killer D-lineman, in Dallas you have star WRs, and in Denver you have a kickass run game.

Or did at least. Now we are known for Jabar Gaffney catching 12 balls in a double digit loss. It's really disheartening to me.

Lev Vyvanse
09-27-2010, 10:49 PM
I don't care what anybody says. For Jay Cutler to have the #1 passer rating in the league right now over Manning, Brees, Brady, et al, and averaging more per completion Say what you want, but that's pretty impressive.

All that said, Kyle Orton's numbers aren't too shabby himself.

Those # don't include Cutlers numbers from tonight.

Taco John
09-27-2010, 10:49 PM
FWIW, these numbers do not include Jay's game tonight.

Yeah they do. That's why they wait to compile them on Monday night. The fresh numbers just posted.

Taco John
09-27-2010, 10:51 PM
Oh, nope. I'm wrong. You guys are right. I had thought they waited until after MNF because they were adding in tonights game stats. I can see that Cutler has dropped to 109.7, which puts him in third just above Brady but below Manning.

TDmvp
09-27-2010, 10:53 PM
Bro....Jay reminds me of Zach Parise, except he's even awesomer, if that's even possible. :)

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Phoenix+Coyotes+v+New+Jersey+Devils+rLtNBLrL2yZl.j pg

;D

/runs for the hills

j/k lol




And Jay's last 2 girl friends are hot heheh ...

http://bbstormwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/1/kristinCavallari3.jpghttp://rebloggingns.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/yourdogwantstodie.jpg?w=400&h=600

Haters gonna Hate Hilarious!

Baba Booey
09-27-2010, 10:54 PM
Bro....Jay reminds me of Zach Parise, except he's even awesomer, if that's even possible. :)

http://www1.pictures.gi.zimbio.com/Phoenix+Coyotes+v+New+Jersey+Devils+rLtNBLrL2yZl.j pg

;D

/runs for the hills

j/k lol

http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4607/1280508270159.jpg

~Crash~
09-27-2010, 10:54 PM
So you are good with the vaunted 5 year plan. Because they won't have multiple first rounders to blow starting next year.hell at this rate what draft picks ?

TDmvp
09-27-2010, 10:54 PM
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4607/1280508270159.jpg

:spit:

SoCalBronco
09-27-2010, 10:55 PM
http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/4607/1280508270159.jpg

Haha...I knew you would like that. Ha!

SoCalBronco
09-27-2010, 10:56 PM
And Jay's last 2 girl friends are hot heheh ...

http://bbstormwallpapers.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/1/kristinCavallari3.jpghttp://rebloggingns.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/yourdogwantstodie.jpg?w=400&h=600

Haters gonna Hate Hilarious!

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/09/custom_1251906054043_cutler1.jpg

Haters gonna Hate.

Badass.

misturanderson
09-27-2010, 10:57 PM
Yeah they do. That's why they wait to compile them on Monday night. The fresh numbers just posted.
So Cutler's averaging just over 200 yards per game? The numbers he's referring to don't include tonight's game.

Edit: Caught yourself, never mind.

TDmvp
09-27-2010, 10:59 PM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/09/custom_1251906054043_cutler1.jpg

Haters gonna Hate.

Badass.

Hilarious! LOL Yea that has to be about the funniest pick I have ever seen...
Is he the terminator or the bonerater ...

Whoever shot that should be shot and Jay should be tased for agreeing to it.

Archer81
09-27-2010, 11:00 PM
I agree with you, young players are going to make mistakes. I just dont see why we are going through growing pains again when we already were just getting through them with the last young core, and things wee looking bright- at least offensively.

The team is older, both offensively and defensively. The team was already young, and was more talented in my opinion. There simply was no reason to tear it up. This is becoming painfully obvious.

I have said and continue to say that McDaniels deserves at least 3 years to fully implement his players and his systems, and I will support Bowlen in keeping him no matter what goes down this season- but man, it's hard to watch sometimes.

I know some of you think I hate the Broncos, am a bad fan, etc. The opposite is true, and this stretch is truly killing me. I argue with you guys because I love this team, and that is all there is to it.

Look, I pray that Tebow to Thomas is the next big tandem, trust me. I would like nothing more than to watch Tebow pull this off. I think McDaniels should get a chance to run him out there and see what he can do.

I will cheer fist pumps all day long, so long as they are backed up with smart play on the field, and quality talent to run the plays.

I just am not sold on the approach, on the way assets have been spent on positions we already had covered, and on the total lack of respect for having some semblance of a run game. In Chicago you have Linebackers, in Pittsburgh you have killer D-lineman, in Dallas you have star WRs, and in Denver you have a kickass run game.

Or did at least. Now we are known for Jabar Gaffney catching 12 balls in a double digit loss. It's really disheartening to me.


With the passage of time, that great young "core" guys on offense has lost quite a bit of the luster. The only ones worth keeping are still on the roster in Clady and Harris. Scheff and Hillis are still backups. Cutler is too inconsistent to truly be a franchise QB, and Marshall...well...

Lets say we kept Cutler, Marshall, Scheff and Hillis...we would still have the same issues. Poor RZ production and a lack of a running game. We would have had to draft new interior linemen anyway. We still would have had to draft or sign in FA a competent #2, 3 and 4 WR. We would have needed a bellcow back. And that was just on offense. We would have had to spend huge amounts of money on defense to fill the whiffs that would have been made in the draft on Defense and the DC...I really get a tightness in my chest thinking about that one...

With Shanahan its possible Denver would have headed that way...but that did not happen. New HC, new players.

:Broncos:

SoCalBronco
09-27-2010, 11:00 PM
Hilarious! LOL Yea that has to be about the funniest pick I have ever seen...
Is he the terminator or the bonerater ...

Whoever shot that should be shot and Jay should be tased for agreeing to it.

lol

Lev Vyvanse
09-27-2010, 11:03 PM
http://www.cubby-blue.com/.a/6a00d83451fe4669e20133f358396e970b-800wi

SoCalBronco
09-27-2010, 11:07 PM
http://www.cubby-blue.com/.a/6a00d83451fe4669e20133f358396e970b-800wi

Alright...that was funny.

At least they got the no blocking part right.

colonelbeef
09-27-2010, 11:07 PM
With the passage of time, that great young "core" guys on offense has lost quite a bit of the luster. The only ones worth keeping are still on the roster in Clady and Harris. Scheff and Hillis are still backups. Cutler is too inconsistent to truly be a franchise QB, and Marshall...well...

Lets say we kept Cutler, Marshall, Scheff and Hillis...we would still have the same issues. Poor RZ production and a lack of a running game. We would have had to draft new interior linemen anyway. We still would have had to draft or sign in FA a competent #2, 3 and 4 WR. We would have needed a bellcow back. And that was just on offense. We would have had to spend huge amounts of money on defense to fill the whiffs that would have been made in the draft on Defense and the DC...I really get a tightness in my chest thinking about that one...

With Shanahan its possible Denver would have headed that way...but that did not happen. New HC, new players.

:Broncos:

you are 100% correct in not trusting them in drafting defensive talent- but to be fair, Dumervil and Bailey, two Shanahan players, continue to be the best players on the defense though.

Clady, Marshall, Royal, Harris, Kuper, Cutler, Hillis, Sheffler.

You can build around that core. Young, inexpensive, and gifted. Add an OL or two through the draft, plus a few RBs, then go all defense.

Imagine all of the picks and money used for replacements were instead used on the defense by McDaniels? This would have been a 10-12 win team, right now, and the most talented young team in the league by far, with unlimited potential.

Do you really think that the Broncos can win a championship running the offense they currently run? I am genuinely asking you this question, not being rhetorical at all.

SoCalBronco
09-27-2010, 11:11 PM
Lets say we kept Cutler, Marshall, Scheff and Hillis...we would still have the same issues.

http://www.shooped.org/home/images/memes/notsureifserious.jpg

The presence of Hillis alone would have precluded the possibility of any "issues". With all four of those guys, it wouldn't even be fair.

;D

Archer81
09-27-2010, 11:15 PM
Do you really think that the Broncos can win a championship running the offense they currently run? I am genuinely asking you this question, not being rhetorical at all.


No. You need to grind it out in December, January and February to win titles. This team is nowhere near that right now. Can they eventually? Yes. Its becoming increasingly apparent that the passing game is to McDaniels what the running game was to Shanahan. In an NFL that requires you be at least 4 deep at wideout to be competitive this will be a team strength.

But you salt games away with the guy that can carry the ball 20 times a game, especially late. That is when you take the other team's will. I believe the Broncos will get to that point in the next 18 months. But the intervening 18 months are going to suck giant dick.

So I remain patient, because the potential I see in Moreno, Tebow, Thomas, Decker, Kuper, Clady, Harris, Beadles and Walton is what keeps me watching on Sundays. They will be great. But its a long road to greatness.

:Broncos:

colonelbeef
09-27-2010, 11:17 PM
No. You need to grind it out in December, January and February to win titles. This team is nowhere near that right now. Can they eventually? Yes. Its becoming increasingly apparent that the passing game is to McDaniels what the running game was to Shanahan. In an NFL that requires you be at least 4 deep at wideout to be competitive this will be a team strength.

But you salt games away with the guy that can carry the ball 20 times a game, especially late. That is when you take the other team's will. I believe the Broncos will get to that point in the next 18 months. But the intervening 18 months are going to suck giant dick.

So I remain patient, because the potential I see in Moreno, Tebow, Thomas, Decker, Kuper, Clady, Harris, Beadles and Walton is what keeps me watching on Sundays. They will be great. But its a long road to greatness.

:Broncos:

Here's to hoping that you are right in the long run about these players.

Even so, I still say there was no need to tear it down. Brash move by a young guy with something to prove. Hopefully he survives and wins, and uses it as a learning experience.

TDmvp
09-27-2010, 11:18 PM
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8471/nottagainz.jpg


Might as well use it twice tonight ... The old Ahh Jeez one was getting old so i made a new one ...

Archer81
09-27-2010, 11:19 PM
http://www.shooped.org/home/images/memes/notsureifserious.jpg

The presence of Hillis alone would have precluded the possibility of any "issues". With all four of those guys, it wouldn't even be fair.

;D


...


:Broncos:

colonelbeef
09-27-2010, 11:20 PM
http://img339.imageshack.us/img339/8471/nottagainz.jpg


Might as well use it twice tonight ... The old Ahh Jeez one was getting old so i made a new one ...

haha...I finally broke down and got photoshop, and will be wading in sooner than later

TDmvp
09-27-2010, 11:21 PM
haha...I finally broke down and got photoshop, and will be wading in sooner than later



Pls tell me you didn't buy it ... Gimp is free and is basically the same thing is what I have used forever.

colonelbeef
09-27-2010, 11:22 PM
Pls tell me you didn't buy it ... Gimp is free and is basically the same thing is what I have used forever.

just got the free trial.. was reluctant to buy adobe anything..

Gimp you say? ha

TDmvp
09-27-2010, 11:23 PM
just got the free trial.. was reluctant to buy adobe anything..

Gimp you say? ha

http://www.gimp.org/

trust me ...

colonelbeef
09-27-2010, 11:26 PM
http://www.gimp.org/

trust me ...

thanks dude!

wandlc
09-27-2010, 11:53 PM
He even tried to pitch the game away on the last drive, floating it up for grabs.

The CB didn't have to interfere with the WR, but he did. Lucky for Jay... because the safety had that ball dead to rights.


It was classic Jay. A few amazing throws, a few horrible ones, and an attempt to give the game away late.

Pretty textbook for him.

The safety only had a shot because the cb was holding and pushing the receiver away from the ball. The cb did everything except tackle the wr. No PI and there would have been no pick because the wr had position to either catch the ball or knock it down. Put your glasses on next time you watch a game or remove your biased ones.

bronco610
09-27-2010, 11:58 PM
The biggest problem I have with c***ler is his opinion we are a 6 as fans. I have supported this team since well before he was born, and I have seen Denver support this team well before Superbowl appearences and Superbowl wins and Mike Shanahan. Once he said we are a 6 how can anyone on ths message board still support or like the guy? I dont care if he becomes the greatest qb in NFL history, as far as I'm concerned he doesn't deserve anything positive from true Bronco fans !!!!

come on, you cutler fans can ignore the post once, but twice. How can you still root for this piece of s***.

Sassy
09-28-2010, 12:02 AM
Cutler is no longer the Denver QB get over your love affair people!
GO ORTON! GO BRONCOS!!!

Cito Pelon
09-28-2010, 02:08 AM
Wow, we saw history made last night on MNF. The Pack had more penalties in the game last night than any game in their history.

TonyR
09-28-2010, 07:01 AM
I will support Jay Cutler because he's my favorite offensive player in the NFL.

That's profoundly sad, and unless you're 12 years old also a little pathetic.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 07:03 AM
That's profoundly sad, and unless you're 12 years old also a little pathetic.

He likes sulky QBs who STILL have not learned that you don't throw the ball as high and hard as you can when you're under duress.

He nearly lost that game for them twice yesterday with fourth quarter picks. He was hit high on one, and threw the other up for grabs, where the refs bailed him out. And on the second one, he saw the flag come in and put his hands in the air, "TOUCHDOWN!" ****ing retarded.

bendog
09-28-2010, 07:45 AM
p4nis envy all over this thread.

LRtagger
09-28-2010, 07:50 AM
He likes sulky QBs who STILL have not learned that you don't throw the ball as high and hard as you can when you're under duress.

He nearly lost that game for them twice yesterday with fourth quarter picks. He was hit high on one, and threw the other up for grabs, where the refs bailed him out. And on the second one, he saw the flag come in and put his hands in the air, "TOUCHDOWN!" ****ing retarded.

Dont forget the 3rd that was caught for an INT and then dropped when the guy got up to run. That rule has saved the Bears twice now in three games.

_Oro_
09-28-2010, 08:31 AM
I watched the game and I think its nice to compare the Broncos losses versus the Bears wins. Watching the Bears wins I'm thinking, okay they got the win but they're screwed in the future. Watching the Broncos lose I'm thinking, okay we got the lost but we're going to be good in the future.

jhns
09-28-2010, 08:37 AM
LOL

You girls are so pathetic. Cutler has 2, yes two, game winning drives in three games. Cutler is 3-0. Cutler has won games for his team even though he has no o-line and a below average receiver set. Sure, he almost threw some picks last night, when the other team blatantly cheated.

Orton is 1-2. Orton has failed late in games. Orton has no game winning drives in the 4th. Orton has been complete crap when he was needed most. Orton has 4-5 receivers that would all start over anything the Bears have. Orton has had time in the pocket a lot more than Cutler.

Of course Orton is better than Cutler.... LOL This is a fact if you are a butthurt little girl that doesn't know what a football is....

jhns
09-28-2010, 08:45 AM
come on, you cutler fans can ignore the post once, but twice. How can you still root for this piece of s***.

You want to know why I don't care about that? I will tell you. It is because I'm not an uneducated child. I didn't just listen to some whiney fans that had their feelings hurt. Go back and listen to the interview and what exactly was said. He was comparing the training camp scrimmage attendance. He said their camp was a 9 and we were a 6. He was telling the truth. They had thousands more fans show up than Denver has ever had.

Anyways, who cares what he says? It isn't like the nice guy Orton is going to be your friend. I actually care about the football, not the players personality. This isn't a dating service. You need to go somewhere else to get your new boyfriend.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 09:11 AM
LOL

You girls are so pathetic. Cutler has 2, yes two, game winning drives in three games. Cutler is 3-0. Cutler has won games for his team even though he has no o-line and a below average receiver set. Sure, he almost threw some picks last night, when the other team blatantly cheated.

Orton is 1-2. Orton has failed late in games. Orton has no game winning drives in the 4th. Orton has been complete crap when he was needed most. Orton has 4-5 receivers that would all start over anything the Bears have. Orton has had time in the pocket a lot more than Cutler.

Of course Orton is better than Cutler.... LOL This is a fact if you are a butthurt little girl that doesn't know what a football is....

Won games for his team.

LOL ROFL!

Considering Cutler got bailed out, TWICE, in the fourth quarter, while once again throwing interceptions, I'd say the only one who doesn't know football in this thread is your predictably stupid ass.

Los Broncos
09-28-2010, 09:13 AM
Cutler could of had 5 picks last night, two were dropped by GB.

Same old guy.

bendog
09-28-2010, 09:15 AM
getting bailed out is NOT taking a helmet to the chin causing an errent throw or gaming a corner by throwing short when there's no safety help deep.

but continue on with the 'p0nis envy"

the trade's history. get over it. who knows, tebow may be better.

jhns
09-28-2010, 09:15 AM
Won games for his team.

LOL ROFL!

Considering Cutler got bailed out, TWICE, in the fourth quarter, while once again throwing interceptions, I'd say the only one who doesn't know football in this thread is your predictably stupid ass.

LOL

Sure, when they cheated. You are pathetic.

bendog
09-28-2010, 09:16 AM
and .... there off and heading into the first turn it's ....

SonOfLe-loLang
09-28-2010, 09:19 AM
LOL

You girls are so pathetic. Cutler has 2, yes two, game winning drives in three games. Cutler is 3-0. Cutler has won games for his team even though he has no o-line and a below average receiver set. Sure, he almost threw some picks last night, when the other team blatantly cheated.

Orton is 1-2. Orton has failed late in games. Orton has no game winning drives in the 4th. Orton has been complete crap when he was needed most. Orton has 4-5 receivers that would all start over anything the Bears have. Orton has had time in the pocket a lot more than Cutler.

Of course Orton is better than Cutler.... LOL This is a fact if you are a butthurt little girl that doesn't know what a football is....

I think these two are both playing good football. But Cutler's "game winning drive" last night consisted of a dropped interception and an up for grabs ball that resulted in an interference penalty. In fact, the only reason he got the ball back was an awesome play by their D at midfield. He wasn't exactly John Elway out there. Yes, he got the job done, but if you're gonna tout his performance last night as a reason he's a great QB, trust me thats not the sword you want to fall on.

And these "4 or 5 receivers that would start over the bears" were the laughing stock of the league prior to week one. Orton is throwing the ball with good zip and has a knack for finding the open guy. When he drops back, my gut feeling is that something good will happen, which is the opposite of last season for sure. I'm giving Cutler his credit, he's playing good football, not making too many of his normal bad decisions, but are you really gonna say Orton's not playing at a high level? Come the **** on. The Broncos woes have VERY little to do with Kyle Orton and VERY much to do with costly turnovers, a ****ty running game, and the defenses inability to stop (in last weeks case) Manning on 3rd and long.

Seriously, you are the most unobjective moron on this board. Go to the bears board or something

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 09:20 AM
LOL

Sure, when they cheated. You are pathetic.

I didn't say they were bad calls, stupid ****. Fact is, they were BOTH TERRIBLE DECISIONS by a guy who has built his career BY MAKING TERRIBLE DECISIONS.

You're really going to justify him throwing the ball up for grabs into triple coverage when he gets rushed?

Really?

REALLY?

LOL

What a dumb ****!

worm
09-28-2010, 09:21 AM
I am setting the over\under on the # of times 'retard' will be used in this thread at 76.

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 09:21 AM
The Bears offense was garbage last night. In those last two "scoring drives", they benefitted from more penalty yards against GB than passing yards.

In the post game interviews, even Cutler made it clear where the credit was owed. Their defense.

jhns
09-28-2010, 09:21 AM
Cutler could of had 5 picks last night, two were dropped by GB.

Same old guy.

LOL

You do realize that even if you count all of these that GB cheated for, Orton has still thrown more balls that have hit defenders in both hands, right?

This is why all of you children are so funny. It is impossible for you to win this. Cutler is a winner, Orton is not. The stats back Cutler and the records back Cutler. Cutler has outplayed Orton so much this season it isn't even funny. What is funny is seeing the children cry about it.

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 09:23 AM
That first statement is flat out false, jhns.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 09:23 AM
LOL

You do realize that even if you count all of these that GB cheated for, Orton has still thrown more balls that have hit defenders in both hands, right?

This is why all of you children are so funny. It is impossible for you to win this. Cutler is a winner, Orton is not. The stats back Cutler and the records back Cutler. Cutler has outplayed Orton so much this season it isn't even funny. What is funny is seeing the children cry about it.


Cutler is a winner. LOL

Now that's funny.

Career record?

Record in college?

He was a winner in high school though. So that's neat for you.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 09:23 AM
I am setting the over\under on the # of times 'retard' will be used in this thread at 76.

Take the over.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-28-2010, 09:25 AM
LOL

You do realize that even if you count all of these that GB cheated for, Orton has still thrown more balls that have hit defenders in both hands, right?

This is why all of you children are so funny. It is impossible for you to win this. Cutler is a winner, Orton is not. The stats back Cutler and the records back Cutler. Cutler has outplayed Orton so much this season it isn't even funny. What is funny is seeing the children cry about it.

Orton hasn't thrown many bad balls period and his pick last week was clearly influenced by Demaryius running the wrong route (unless it was just a horribly designed play, but i tend to doubt it.) I'm really not sure what games youre watching, but Orton is playing really good football. Plus, last time I checked, football wasn't like those old QB challenges on NBC. 21 other guys have to do their job.

Seriously, get the **** out of here. Cutler's playing well, Orton's playing well...and if Cutler were on the Broncos, i sincerely doubt we'd be 3-0 if the circumstances played out in similar fashion.

Los Broncos
09-28-2010, 09:26 AM
LOL

You do realize that even if you count all of these that GB cheated for, Orton has still thrown more balls that have hit defenders in both hands, right?

This is why all of you children are so funny. It is impossible for you to win this. Cutler is a winner, Orton is not. The stats back Cutler and the records back Cutler. Cutler has outplayed Orton so much this season it isn't even funny. What is funny is seeing the children cry about it.

He doesn't play for us JH, what are you trying to get out of this?

CEH
09-28-2010, 09:27 AM
The Bears offense was garbage last night. In those last two "scoring drives", they benefitted from more penalty yards against GB than passing yards.

In the post game interviews, even Cutler made it clear where the credit was owed. Their defense.

That last pass to Bennett was ill advised and unnessary given the circumstances where all you needed is a FG to take the lead.

To throw it up for grabs , have it picked off and celebrate a PI call was pretty lame . How about throwing it away instead of up for grabs.

jhns
09-28-2010, 09:30 AM
That first statement is flat out false, jhns.

Go back and watch the first game. That statement is true with only that game being counted.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 09:30 AM
the records back Cutler.

27-29 vs. 30-21. Yes...I see where you're right...

Clearly, Cutler is the winner and Orton is not.

bendog
09-28-2010, 09:31 AM
I am setting the over\under on the # of times 'retard' will be used in this thread at 76.

I prefer 'tard.

TailgateNut
09-28-2010, 09:33 AM
I am setting the over\under on the # of times 'retard' will be used in this thread at 76.


just depends on how many times Jhiz posts.

jhns
09-28-2010, 09:35 AM
27-29 vs. 30-21. Yes...I see where you're right...

Clearly, Cutler is the winner and Orton is not.

3-0 vs 1-2. Who cares what Cutler did when he was still learning? We are talking about now.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 09:36 AM
3-0 vs 1-2. Who cares what Cutler did when he was still learning? We are talking about now.

Oh, so NOW the excuse is, Cutler was learning back then...

Gotcha.

What about the five picks that were either called off for penalties or were dropped by the defensive back last night? I mean, clearly he's learned to make smarter decisions, right.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 09:37 AM
3-0 vs 1-2. Who cares what Cutler did when he was still learning? We are talking about now.

Ah yes, the old standby "Cutler's performance now only matters, unless he's not performing well now, in which case the time when he was performing well is the only time that matters" jizz argument. Good times! Strong take!

jayman_37
09-28-2010, 09:39 AM
Cutler's offensive line is absolutely horrible. Orton has all day to throw. I think that Orton has played very very well this year, but I think Cutler should be given a lot of credit for his performance as well.

jhns
09-28-2010, 09:39 AM
That last pass to Bennett was ill advised and unnessary given the circumstances where all you needed is a FG to take the lead.

To throw it up for grabs , have it picked off and celebrate a PI call was pretty lame . How about throwing it away instead of up for grabs.

Ummm, Cutler made the right throw and threw it to the perfect spot. He threw it short so the receiver could come back to it as the defenders were past him. A defender holds him so he can't move and you guys claim that this was a bad play by Cutler?

You guys really need to learn something about football. I don't know how you can spend all of this time on here and be so ignorant about the topic of the forum.

LRtagger
09-28-2010, 09:40 AM
27-29 vs. 30-21. Yes...I see where you're right...

Clearly, Cutler is the winner and Orton is not.

MO You cant count all the games. The first six games of last year didnt count. Also none of Cutler's games last year counted because he was learning a new system and had bad players around him. His time in Denver doesn't count because he had a bad defense.

For all intents and purposes, only this season matters and Cutler is the 3rd best QB in the league. He is the only reason the Bears won last night.

jhns
09-28-2010, 09:41 AM
Ah yes, the old standby "Cutler's performance now only matters, unless he's not performing well now, in which case the time when he was performing well is the only time that matters" jizz argument. Good times! Strong take!

Sure, and Orton won all of those games as his only good season came with a whopping 1500 yards thrown....

Great argument.

Elway777
09-28-2010, 09:42 AM
Cutler has more talent and I think would of been a star in McDaniels system. Orton is alot smarter then Cutler but does not have the Natural ability of Cutler. They are both good Qb but I still think Cutler is better.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 09:42 AM
Ummm, Cutler made the right throw and threw it to the perfect spot. He threw it short so the receiver could come back to it as the defenders were past him. A defender holds him so he can't move and you guys claim that this was a bad play by Cutler?

You guys really need to learn something about football. I don't know how you can spend all of this time on here and be so ignorant about the topic of the forum.

You're a moron.

Only someone with an agenda would claim that was "the right throw" thrown to "the perfect spot." We get it. You love Jay Cutler. No need to make yourself look like a total ****ing know-nothing dip**** on the way to telling us again.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 09:43 AM
Sure, and Orton won all of those games as his only good season came with a whopping 1500 yards thrown....

Great argument.

You look at the whole career, dumb ****. This "eliminate THAT game... he didn't play well, but include THIS game because he did" argument is ****ing dog****.

spdirty
09-28-2010, 09:44 AM
I don't feel too bad about that trade now that Orton has made me comfortable this year as our quarterback.

jhns
09-28-2010, 09:45 AM
Orton hasn't thrown many bad balls period and his pick last week was clearly influenced by Demaryius running the wrong route (unless it was just a horribly designed play, but i tend to doubt it.) I'm really not sure what games youre watching, but Orton is playing really good football. Plus, last time I checked, football wasn't like those old QB challenges on NBC. 21 other guys have to do their job.

Seriously, get the **** out of here. Cutler's playing well, Orton's playing well...and if Cutler were on the Broncos, i sincerely doubt we'd be 3-0 if the circumstances played out in similar fashion.

Sure, Orton has excuses for every bad play. Well so does Cutler. He also only throws to defenders when the playcalling or receivers mess up. Duh...

jhns
09-28-2010, 09:51 AM
You look at the whole career, dumb ****. This "eliminate THAT game... he didn't play well, but include THIS game because he did" argument is ****ing dog****.

What exactly does their rookie year have to do with who is better now? I don't follow.

"Well I know Cutler is playing way better but Orton had more wins 5 years ago. This clearly shows Orton is better now!"

That really makes sense.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 09:52 AM
MO You cant count all the games. The first six games of last year didnt count. Also none of Cutler's games last year counted because he was learning a new system and had bad players around him. His time in Denver doesn't count because he had a bad defense.

For all intents and purposes, only this season matters and Cutler is the 3rd best QB in the league. He is the only reason the Bears won last night.

If I threw out all of my bad posts. I would be the best poster ever.

LetsGoBroncos
09-28-2010, 09:52 AM
LOL

You do realize that even if you count all of these that GB cheated for, Orton has still thrown more balls that have hit defenders in both hands, right?

This is why all of you children are so funny. It is impossible for you to win this. Cutler is a winner, Orton is not. The stats back Cutler and the records back Cutler. Cutler has outplayed Orton so much this season it isn't even funny. What is funny is seeing the children cry about it.

You sir are an idiot. Cutler has NEVER had a winning season. Not in high school, not in college, not in the NFL. NEVER

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 09:53 AM
You sir are an idiot. Cutler has NEVER had a winning season. Not in high school, not in college, not in the NFL. NEVER

He played for Vandy in the SEC. Get a grip.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 09:54 AM
You sir are an idiot. Cutler has NEVER had a winning season. Not in high school, not in college, not in the NFL. NEVER

That's not true.

He won games in high school.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 09:55 AM
If I threw out all of my bad posts. I would be the best poster ever.

And if we threw out Jizz's bad posts, he'd have a post count of zero.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 09:55 AM
And if we threw out Jizz's bad posts, he'd have a post count of zero.

I bet there's a good post somewhere. ROFL!

LetsGoBroncos
09-28-2010, 09:56 AM
That's not true.

He won games in high school.

You're right, I heard that somewhere but I just checked and it's not true. He won games in high school.

2 years in college, and 3 years as a starter in the NFL though and he has never been above .500

jhns
09-28-2010, 09:57 AM
You sir are an idiot. Cutler has NEVER had a winning season. Not in high school, not in college, not in the NFL. NEVER

I'm the idiot and you come with this post. First off, he won his high schools SB. There is no way he could have done better. Second, he made Vandy a decent football team. The fact that you guys hold this against him is just funny. Third, he played here with the worst defense in this franchises history. He had a **** special teams. Sure, he had a horrible season last year. It happens. You can't name a single QB that hasn't had one.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 09:59 AM
I'm the idiot and you come with this post. First off, he won his high schools SB. There is no way he could have done better. Second, he made Vandy a decent football team. The fact that you guys hold this against him is just funny. Third, he played here with the worst defense in this franchises history. He had a **** special teams. Sure, he had a horrible season last year. It happens. You can't name a single QB that hasn't had one.

First time you've ever given an honest appraisal.

jhns
09-28-2010, 10:01 AM
First time you've ever given an honest appraisal.

Every single one of my posts is honest.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 10:04 AM
Every single one of my posts is honest.

Honestly stupid. Willfully ignorant.

jhns
09-28-2010, 10:07 AM
Honestly stupid. Willfully ignorant.

Says the guy arguing that Orton is better than Cutler.

Funny stuff.

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 10:14 AM
First time you've ever given an honest appraisal.

Dude- Cutler was terrible last year, there is no arguing that. His receivers, OL, and coaching didn't help, but neither did he.

I think that in the long run having gotten his ass kicked last year to the point of embarrassment will serve him well, a)as a growing experience and b) in getting Mike Martz into Chicago.

orangemonkey
09-28-2010, 10:15 AM
Cutler has had some lucky plays but no more than Orton so far this year. Face it Cutler is ranked 3rd right now in the league while beating two of the best defenses in the league. Orton has lost to two of the worst defenses.

If Orton was playing in Chicago right now he would be in the hospital.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 10:19 AM
Orton is better than Cutler.

2KBack
09-28-2010, 10:23 AM
Cutler has had some lucky plays but no more than Orton so far this year. Face it Cutler is ranked 3rd right now in the league while beating two of the best defenses in the league. Orton has lost to two of the worst defenses.

If Orton was playing in Chicago right now he would be in the hospital.

What? Cutler didn't beat Green bay, Green Bay and Julius Peppers (with a dash of Hester) beat green bay. Cutler just threw the ball right into the defenses hands 4 times but was saved by penalties over and over again.

bendog
09-28-2010, 10:24 AM
Orton is better than Cutler.

absolutely. 9 out of 10 nfl frontoffices would trade cutler for orton stright up with no chaser. no question.

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 10:30 AM
Orton is better than Cutler.

Are you being serious or sarcastic

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 10:31 AM
absolutely. 9 out of 10 nfl frontoffices would trade cutler for orton stright up with no chaser. no question.

No they absolutely would not. No way you believe this.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 10:33 AM
Are you being serious or sarcastic
I much prefer Orton running this offense to Cutler.

orangemonkey
09-28-2010, 10:33 AM
What? Cutler didn't beat Green bay, Green Bay and Julius Peppers (with a dash of Hester) beat green bay. Cutler just threw the ball right into the defenses hands 4 times but was saved by penalties over and over again.

Haha. Ok get your head out of the box score and watch the game. Start with the play where Cutler was hit helmet to helmet during the release and get back to me. Jay has been a consistent playmaker this year. If he had our line, he would be a world beater. His play during the Dallas game was spectacular.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 10:35 AM
No they absolutely would not. No way you believe this.

By the end of this year i would bet more GMs would take Orton straight up over Cutler.

Al Davis will not be among them, I mean, Cutler does have a stronger arm.

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 10:35 AM
I much prefer Orton running this offense to Cutler.

If the system is good, I will always take the more talented guy, so long as he has a willingness to work and is tough.

Cutler is both of those things, and the more talented player. Orton has performed well, but it's painful to watch him fold up like a deck chair any time there is any pressure. Cutler hangs in, and is able to buy time. Admirable qualities to have in a QB.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 10:36 AM
If he had our line, he would be a world beater. His play during the Dallas game was spectacular.

He did have our line, and I don't remember him being a world beater. I don't even remember him making the playoffs.

bendog
09-28-2010, 10:36 AM
No they absolutely would not. No way you believe this.

I was being sarcastic.

baja
09-28-2010, 10:36 AM
LOL

You girls are so pathetic. Cutler has 2, yes two, game winning drives in three games. Cutler is 3-0. Cutler has won games for his team even though he has no o-line and a below average receiver set. Sure, he almost threw some picks last night, when the other team blatantly cheated.

Orton is 1-2. Orton has failed late in games. Orton has no game winning drives in the 4th. Orton has been complete crap when he was needed most. Orton has 4-5 receivers that would all start over anything the Bears have. Orton has had time in the pocket a lot more than Cutler.

Of course Orton is better than Cutler.... LOL This is a fact if you are a butthurt little girl that doesn't know what a football is....

I'll give you this Orton needs to get better in the forth quarter and in the red zone but that is mental and can be fixed.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 10:37 AM
s a willingness to work and is tough.

Cutler is both of those things,

Are you being serious or sarcastic?

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 10:38 AM
He did have our line, and I don't remember him being a world beater. I don't even remember him making the playoffs.

You'd think that a Denver Broncos fan would recognize that the defense was 1000% more responsible for that team missing the playoffs, and that the offense was actually better than that which we have today in every quantifiable category.

orangemonkey
09-28-2010, 10:39 AM
He did have our line, and I don't remember him being a world beater. I don't even remember him making the playoffs.

Right now for the bears with their defense. And he's ranked 3 and 3-0 so world beating isn't that far of a climb.

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 10:39 AM
Are you being serious or sarcastic?

You are simply willfully ignorant if you don't think that Cutler works hard, makes all voluntary workouts, gathers his teammates in the offseason to work out, and is a tough bastard in the pocket.

Did you listen to what Jaworski and Gruden had to say last night, or were you covering your ears?

jhns
09-28-2010, 10:39 AM
He did have our line, and I don't remember him being a world beater. I don't even remember him making the playoffs.

So what you are saying is, you don't even follow this team as you try discussing it? No wonder you seem lost.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 10:40 AM
You'd think that a Denver Broncos fan would recognize that the defense was 1000% more responsible for that team missing the playoffs, and that the offense was actually better than that which we have today in every quantifiable category.

You'd think you'd apply that logic to Orton who leads the NFL in passing this year.

How did the defense contribute to Cutler pouting or being careless with the ball?

2KBack
09-28-2010, 10:40 AM
Haha. Ok get your head out of the box score and watch the game. Start with the play where Cutler was hit helmet to helmet during the release and get back to me. Jay has been a consistent playmaker this year. If he had our line, he would be a world beater. His play during the Dallas game was spectacular.

I won't argue the Dallas game, he played great, but last night was not impressive in the least. Getting hit helmet to helmet isn't making a play, it was a GB mistake. The pass interference at the end of the game to erase another int wasn't making a play, it was a GB mistake. 18 penalties, a blocked FG, a punt return, and an amazing forced fumble at the end of the game was what beat GB last night. Cutler played like crap.

Btw way, you can't glean what I said from a boxscore smart guy.

Steve Sewell
09-28-2010, 10:42 AM
I'm the idiot and you come with this post. First off, he won his high schools SB. There is no way he could have done better. Second, he made Vandy a decent football team. The fact that you guys hold this against him is just funny. Third, he played here with the worst defense in this franchises history. He had a **** special teams. Sure, he had a horrible season last year. It happens. You can't name a single QB that hasn't had one.

Shanahan's fault.

He tore this team apart.

lostknight
09-28-2010, 10:44 AM
All of you who gloated last year, and pointed at Orton versus Cutler's records as proof that McDaniels was a genius and Cutler a alcoholic Jeff George wannabe should just man up on the last 6 games Cutler has had. Perhaps Cutler regresses, but right now, Cutler has what Denver doesn't - a winning record and a decent offensive coordinator. Over that same span, the Broncos are 1-5 while Chicago is 5-1.

Steve Sewell
09-28-2010, 10:45 AM
All of you who gloated last year, and pointed at Orton versus Cutler's records as proof that McDaniels was a genius and Cutler a alcoholic Jeff George wannabe should just man up on the last 6 games Cutler has had. Perhaps Cutler regresses, but right now, Cutler has what Denver doesn't - a winning record and a decent offensive coordinator. Over that same span, the Broncos are 1-5 while Chicago is 5-1.

Wait, was Martz the offensive coordinator for the final 3 games of last season for the Bears?

lostknight
09-28-2010, 10:47 AM
You'd think you'd apply that logic to Orton who leads the NFL in passing this year.


He doesn't. Phillip Rivers does in terms of total yardage. And Cutler beats Orton on rating (3rd best, Orton at 8).

Isn't it you who keeps harping whenever anyone mentions that the Broncos had the second best offense in terms of passing yardage the last year Shanny was here, and yet here you are, using the exact same metric to buttress your arguments.

I will note, there is not a chance in hell that Orton would do as well as Cutler in Chicago right now with no o-line and only one real receiver threat in Knox. Would Cutler do as well in Denver?

baja
09-28-2010, 10:49 AM
I won't argue the Dallas game, he played great, but last night was not impressive in the least. Getting hit helmet to helmet isn't making a play, it was a GB mistake. The pass interference at the end of the game to erase another int wasn't making a play, it was a GB mistake. 18 penalties, a blocked FG, a punt return, and an amazing forced fumble at the end of the game was what beat GB last night. Cutler played like crap.

Btw way, you can't glean what I said from a boxscore smart guy.

One can only hope they didn't see the game and that's the reason they are singing the praises of Cutler otherwise they would have to be considered football stupid.

BTW did you catch his post game interview? He is a major prima donna an because of that uncoachable on this fundamentals. He will always be an interceptions machine and general dick in the locker room especially when they are losing.

The MVPlaya
09-28-2010, 10:51 AM
Did you listen to what Jaworski and Gruden had to say last night, or were you covering your ears?

Do you listen to Jaworski and Gruden?

Gruden ridiculously praises every player on MNF and goes overboard with the love. This is not just last night, this is every single damn week. Did you not see the controversy last year on how he never critiques any player, and always over hypes everything?

More recently Jaworski has done the same thing and started following Gruden's path.

I believe Jaworski said Driver is the BEST IN THE LEAGUE at catching balls over the middle. Get the **** outta here.

lol @ you using Gruden and Jaworski as a marker for validity. :spit: That's pretty fucckkin pathetic and sad.

Using your logic: did you see the disgust in Steve Young when referring to Jay Cutler's play/mechanics?

Or were you too busy:

http://i.imgur.com/vJcy0.gif

to the PI calls and dropped Ints?

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 10:51 AM
You are simply willfully ignorant if you don't think that Cutler works hard, makes all voluntary workouts, gathers his teammates in the offseason to work out, and is a tough bastard in the pocket.

Did you listen to what Jaworski and Gruden had to say last night, or were you covering your ears?I could care less the tripe that analysts babble out during a broadcast.

I don't care whether he stands in the pocket. He folds like tissue paper mentally when the chips are down. I witnessed it time after time, after time, during his career here. He lacks the mental toughness to be a leader.

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 10:53 AM
I could care less the tripe that analysts babble out during a broadcast.

I don't care whether he stands in the pocket. He folds like tissue paper mentally when the chips are down. I witnessed it time after time, after time, during his career here. He lacks the mental toughness to be a leader.

How so?

2/3 wins this year have been comebacks on drives led by Cutler.

Period, end of story. The guy is good at bringing his team back.

Everything else is just innuendo and hearsay.

Popps
09-28-2010, 10:54 AM
Can't wait to revisit this thread at the end of the season when Jay implodes. (Or sooner.)

Should be high comedy.

2KBack
09-28-2010, 10:54 AM
One can only hope they didn't see the game and that's the reason they are singing the praises of Cutler otherwise they would have to be considered football stupid.

BTW did you catch his post game interview? He is a major prima donna an because of that uncoachable on this fundamentals. He will always be an interceptions machine and general dick in the locker room especially when they are losing.

I didn't see the interview, but it doesn't surprise me. He still does his stupid complaining crap all game long. When Mathews grabbed his face mask on a tackle, Cutler was already complaining on the way to the ground. Yes, it was a penalty, now wait until the play is over before you start bitching.

I know it was meant as a compliment, but I had to laugh when Gruden said that Cutler plays with his own set of fundamentals.

orangemonkey
09-28-2010, 10:56 AM
I won't argue the Dallas game, he played great, but last night was not impressive in the least. Getting hit helmet to helmet isn't making a play, it was a GB mistake. The pass interference at the end of the game to erase another int wasn't making a play, it was a GB mistake. 18 penalties, a blocked FG, a punt return, and an amazing forced fumble at the end of the game was what beat GB last night. Cutler played like crap.

Btw way, you can't glean what I said from a boxscore smart guy.

Who said he played great last night. He made plays when he needed to and did enough to win. Did you see he rushed 40 yards to keep drives alive? His offense also left a lot of points out there (missed field goal, dropped end zone pass). Jay just wins this year. Lol

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 10:57 AM
I will note, there is not a chance in hell that Orton would do as well as Cutler in Chicago right now with no o-line and only one real receiver threat in Knox. Would Cutler do as well in Denver?

Actually the Bears offense regressed from 2008 under Orton to 2009 under Cutler.

TonyR
09-28-2010, 10:57 AM
You'd think that a Denver Broncos fan would recognize that the defense was 1000% more responsible for that team missing the playoffs, and that the offense was actually better than that which we have today in every quantifiable category.

Just a reminder that after the first 3 games of 2008 that great offense averaged 19.7 points per game. Not as great of an offense as many of you seem to remember.

lostknight
09-28-2010, 10:58 AM
Wait, was Martz the offensive coordinator for the final 3 games of last season for the Bears?

Good catch. Cutler improved there without him.

Look, Cutler is not a leader, at a position that requires leadership. He has the skills to carry a team on his back physically, but not emotionally. Orton is never going to carry a team on his back - if he were able to, yesterday would have been that day. Even so, At the end of the day, I would still trade Cutler for Orton and Tebow without thinking twice. It's the difference between Matt Holliday and Troy Tulowitzcki.

But what this front office did to Cutler on his way out was one of the dirtiest things I have ever seen a front office do. And the way that fans turned on him, hated on demand - was beyond pathetic.

So good for Cutler for playing up to what we all knew - and would have one time stated before the verboten orders came from Dove Valley - he could do. He has a long way to go - but the potential is still there.

baja
09-28-2010, 10:58 AM
Can't wait to revisit this thread at the end of the season when Jay implodes. (Or sooner.)

Should be high comedy.

Quote some of your favorites, I'm sure there will be some quiet deleting going on in this thread when the inevitable happens.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 10:59 AM
Potential is a curse. Realizing the potential Cutler has is a challenge. And I don't think he has the testicular fortitude to reach that level.

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 11:00 AM
How so?

2/3 wins this year have been comebacks on drives led by Cutler.

Period, end of story. The guy is good at bringing his team back.

Everything else is just innuendo and hearsay.

Fact:

Over half of the Broncos victories last year have been comebacks on drives led by Orton.

Period, end of story. The guy is good at bringing his team back.

Everything else is just innuendo and hearsay

bowtown
09-28-2010, 11:01 AM
Ummm, Cutler made the right throw and threw it to the perfect spot. He threw it short so the receiver could come back to it as the defenders were past him. A defender holds him so he can't move and you guys claim that this was a bad play by Cutler?

You guys really need to learn something about football. I don't know how you can spend all of this time on here and be so ignorant about the topic of the forum.

http://www.needapickmeup.com/products/images/FINAL-NORAH-change-300h.jpg

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 11:02 AM
Orton is never going to carry a team on his back - if he were able to, yesterday would have been that day.

Ummmm, dude....he's only done it every game this year and certainly more than once last year.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 11:02 AM
How so?

2/3 wins this year have been comebacks on drives led by Cutler.

Period, end of story. The guy is good at bringing his team back.

Everything else is just innuendo and hearsay.First of all, he lost to the Lions. Gifted a W by the refs.

Last night he was gifted a W by a historic night of penalties by the Packers. Using his record as support hardly speaks volumes.

bendog
09-28-2010, 11:05 AM
Cutler did see a wr in single coverage and no safety deep, so he did throw high and short which left the defender no choice but to commit PI. Argue away, but that is what happened. He's hardly the first qb to know how to do that. lol

lostknight
09-28-2010, 11:06 AM
Ummmm, dude....he's only done it every game this year and certainly more than once last year.

You and I have a very different definition then friend.

Popps
09-28-2010, 11:07 AM
Cutler did see a wr in single coverage and no safety deep, so he did throw high and short which left the defender no choice but to commit PI. Argue away, but that is what happened. He's hardly the first qb to know how to do that. lol

Oh man, watch the play again. There is DEFINITELY 100% a safety there.

The CB shouldn't have interfered. That would have been game over. Jay floated it up there off of his back foot under duress, and all that CB had to do was try to make a legit play on the ball, or allow his safety help to snag it. (Which he did.)

That was a horrible throw. Vintage Jay.

2KBack
09-28-2010, 11:08 AM
First of all, he lost to the Lions. Gifted a W by the refs.

Last night he was gifted a W by a historic night of penalties by the Packers. Using his record as support hardly speaks volumes.

That game winning drive last night started on the Green bay 18 yard line....What a Drive!

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 11:09 AM
Cutler did see a wr in single coverage and no safety deep, so he did throw high and short which left the defender no choice but to commit PI. Argue away, but that is what happened. He's hardly the first qb to know how to do that. lol

Wrong.

There WAS a safety deep. Collins. Who do you think had the INT that was called back because of the flag? He was playing deep centerfield on that play.

55CrushEm
09-28-2010, 11:12 AM
Wrong.

Surprised? They have the Beetus colored glasses on.......

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 11:12 AM
You and I have a very different definition then friend.

Go watch last year's NE game, particularly the 4th quarter and OT, and tell me that he didn't put the team on his back. I dare you.

Boobs McGee
09-28-2010, 11:15 AM
Omfg people. This thread has gone up 90 POSTS SINCE THIS MORNING. he's a douche and he's not coming back. As much as I hope he fails (yes, he said **** you to us fans, and before that moment I thought josh could turn him into something amazing, but jayby is now NOT our concern), I honestly don't give half a **** now. We have someone here in Kyle that, imo, is an infinitely better teammate, and more importantly, the guy who win lose or otherwise, is OUR QB.


I SWEAR some of you clowns sound more like Jennifer anniston pining for brad pitt every week.


This is getting incredibly annoying.


Move on.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 11:17 AM
no safety deep

No wonder you think he's good, you see the field just like he does.

Because Cutler didn't see the safety doesn't mean he isn't there.

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 11:19 AM
Omfg people. This thread has gone up 90 POSTS SINCE THIS MORNING. he's a douche and he's not coming back. As much as I hope he fails (yes, he said **** you to us fans, and before that moment I thought josh could turn him into something amazing, but jayby is now NOT our concern), I honestly don't give half a **** now. We have someone here in Kyle that, imo, is an infinitely better teammate, and more importantly, the guy who win lose or otherwise, is OUR QB.


I SWEAR some of you clowns sound more like Jennifer anniston pining for brad pitt every week.


This is getting incredibly annoying.


Move on.

Were you somehow confused by the thread title and misled into clicking on it?

Beantown's free advice for the day: if you're sick of the Cutler/Orton debate, stay away from any thread that is titled Orton >>>>>>> Cutler.

55CrushEm
09-28-2010, 11:20 AM
No wonder you think he's good, you see the field just like he does.

Because Cutler didn't see the safety doesn't mean he isn't there.

:spit:

REP

Tombstone RJ
09-28-2010, 11:27 AM
Packers should have won the game but they shot themselves in the foot too much. Cutler tried like hell to give the win away but in the end, the Pack was just dead set on losing the game. It happens.

Popps
09-28-2010, 11:39 AM
Wrong.

There WAS a safety deep. Collins. Who do you think had the INT that was called back because of the flag? He was playing deep centerfield on that play.

Wow, they just showed it again. Jay tried so hard to give the game away.

Let's not forget the OTHER INT that got called back. The rusher made helmet contact with Jay after he released the ball. Had that been a clean hit on him, that would have potentially been Jay's 3rd INT.

He's just pitching it out there, eyes closed. He was saved by blind luck and terrible play by the Packers last night.

jhns
09-28-2010, 11:48 AM
Oh man, watch the play again. There is DEFINITELY 100% a safety there.

The CB shouldn't have interfered. That would have been game over. Jay floated it up there off of his back foot under duress, and all that CB had to do was try to make a legit play on the ball, or allow his safety help to snag it. (Which he did.)

That was a horrible throw. Vintage Jay.

Again you guys are showing that you have no idea what you are talking about. The safety and corner were both on the other side of the receiver. Jay threw the ball short so the receiver could come back to it. He put it in the perfect spot. The only reason the safety was able to make a play was because the receiver was held from behind so that he couldn't come back to the ball. The safety would have never had a play on that ball otherwise.

You ladies need to dust the sand out of your vags becuase it's making you dumber than normal.

jhns
09-28-2010, 11:53 AM
Wrong.

There WAS a safety deep. Collins. Who do you think had the INT that was called back because of the flag? He was playing deep centerfield on that play.

The safety doesn't matter if the corner doesn't hold the receiver in place.

What is funny is none of you can even argue that Orton is better. You have failed when your only argument is "well he almost had a pick!" Again, go watch the first Broncos game. Orton threw a pick and multiple other passes that hit defenders in both hands. I'm not sure how this almost pick argument is one that favors Orton.

Kaylore
09-28-2010, 11:56 AM
The reason the Bears won was because the Packers right tackle sucks. He had a couple series where he was called for penalties on consecutive downs.

Cutler did his best to give that game away.

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 11:58 AM
jhns, look at the post by bendog that we're responding to, which say that there was no deep safety out there at all. Clearly, there was....because he was the one who intercepted the pass. bendog just dropped the ball there, much like a Green Bay DB.

And to say "the safety would have never had a play on the ball otherwise" is simply insane. Even assuming the DB was not in the play and didn't interfere with the receiver.....the ball was underthrown, so by definition the guy watching it the whole time and angling/running towards it the whole time (the safety) would have a much better chance at outjumping/gaining leverage on a WR that is running down the field, then trying to stop his momentum and falling away from the play....This is just basic stuff.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 12:00 PM
The safety doesn't matter if the corner doesn't hold the receiver in place.

What is funny is none of you can even argue that Orton is better. You have failed when your only argument is "well he almost had a pick!" Again, go watch the first Broncos game. Orton threw a pick and multiple other passes that hit defenders in both hands. I'm not sure how this almost pick argument is one that favors Orton.

Well, OK, then...
Player A 37-57, 64 percent comp., 476 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, Rating, 89.5
Player B 16-27, 59 percent comp., 221 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, Rating, 82.5

colonelbeef
09-28-2010, 12:01 PM
Again you guys are showing that you have no idea what you are talking about. The safety and corner were both on the other side of the receiver. Jay threw the ball short so the receiver could come back to it. He put it in the perfect spot. The only reason the safety was able to make a play was because the receiver was held from behind so that he couldn't come back to the ball. The safety would have never had a play on that ball otherwise.

You ladies need to dust the sand out of your vags becuase it's making you dumber than normal.

Correct. Just saw the replay on NFL network in fact.

TheReverend
09-28-2010, 12:05 PM
Can we really just stop with threads like these?

baja
09-28-2010, 12:08 PM
Can we really just stop with threads like these?

Only if people stop posting in them

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 12:08 PM
Correct. Just saw the replay on NFL network in fact.

He threw the ball up for grabs. There was no plan.

You two girls act like Jay is some mastermind, that every pick was not his fault. That last pass? A TERRIBLE DECISION. There's just no other way to look at it. He was under pressure, threw the ball up for grabs, and would have cost his team the game if not for being bailed out by a terrible CB play. Period.

He got lucky on a bad decision. Normally, he won't.

TailgateNut
09-28-2010, 12:08 PM
Can we really just stop with threads like these?


Not until Jhiz goes the **** away

Rabb
09-28-2010, 12:09 PM
can we really just stop with threads like these?

+1

jhns
09-28-2010, 12:11 PM
jhns, look at the post by bendog that we're responding to, which say that there was no deep safety out there at all. Clearly, there was....because he was the one who intercepted the pass. bendog just dropped the ball there, much like a Green Bay DB.

And to say "the safety would have never had a play on the ball otherwise" is simply insane. Even assuming the DB was not in the play and didn't interfere with the receiver.....the ball was underthrown, so by definition the guy watching it the whole time and angling/running towards it the whole time (the safety) would have a much better chance at outjumping/gaining leverage on a WR that is running down the field, then trying to stop his momentum and falling away from the play....This is just basic stuff.

You can make up whatever you want. If you actually watch the play, it is pretty obvious that the receiver had position right up until the corner held him. The best they could have hoped for was a good hit by the safety to knock it loose. The receiver was on his way back. I highly doubt he was going to just stop for the safety to gain position.

Again though, these almost interception arguments are dumb. He won the game. He has two game winning drives in the fourth quarter. I would say the Bears coaches are pretty happy, as they should be.

jhns
09-28-2010, 12:14 PM
He threw the ball up for grabs. There was no plan.

You two girls act like Jay is some mastermind, that every pick was not his fault. That last pass? A TERRIBLE DECISION. There's just no other way to look at it. He was under pressure, threw the ball up for grabs, and would have cost his team the game if not for being bailed out by a terrible CB play. Period.

He got lucky on a bad decision. Normally, he won't.

Why must you prove that you are uneducated every time you post? We get it already.

Anyways, Cutler is 3-0 with two game winning drives already. You fail.

Man-Goblin
09-28-2010, 12:15 PM
http://www.unathleticmag.com/wp-content/uploads/jay-cutler.JPG

Eldorado
09-28-2010, 12:16 PM
Just go already.

http://www.dabears.com/forum.php?

jhns
09-28-2010, 12:20 PM
Not until Jhiz goes the **** away

LOL

Yes, the guy that started posting around page 12 is responsible for the thread.

You do know that they allow all ages to go to school in this country, right? You should better yourself and at least aim for an elementry school eduacation.

TheReverend
09-28-2010, 12:21 PM
Not until Jhiz goes the **** away

Well... he's certainly not the one that started the thread. And I don't think anyone ignorantly made the thread without the end result being inherently obvious.

WABronco
09-28-2010, 12:22 PM
http://images.yuku.com/image/jpeg/de635d259aa78b5f74588c422ad22e8048fef58.jpg

Boobs McGee
09-28-2010, 12:29 PM
Were you somehow confused by the thread title and misled into clicking on it?

Beantown's free advice for the day: if you're sick of the Cutler/Orton debate, stay away from any thread that is titled Orton >>>>>>> Cutler.

No, I wasn't confused in the least. What IS confusing, is why intelligent posters with insightful takes (I'm talking about you here, not the craptastic bag of fail who you're arguing with) get sucked into the same circular argument that's been taking place for the last year and a half, when they COULD be discussing more relevant topics.

These ****ing trolls that can't drop this **** and constantly have to defend their frown cannon of a lover detract from intelligent football discussion by lureing you into an argument, with when supported by IRREFUTABLE FACTS, is never going to end.


The only confusion I have bean, is why time after time you (and other posters with quality contributions) perpetuate this never ending **** storm.

Beantown Bronco
09-28-2010, 12:30 PM
none of the other threads going on right now are even remotely interesting....

slow news day

WABronco
09-28-2010, 12:31 PM
Lol pretty much^. It's not going to end.

I'm happy with Orton. Playing well and not locked up to a long-term contract. I'm not sure things would be much different here even if we still had Cutler, aside from the obvious difference in media sex appeal.

Rulon Velvet Jones
09-28-2010, 12:31 PM
Why must you prove that you are uneducated every time you post? We get it already.

Anyways, Cutler is 3-0 with two game winning drives already. You fail.

Ahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa...a ref overturning a CLEAR Calvin Johnson TD and a PI call on what should have been a pick are two of the most badass game-winning drives I've ever witnessed. I don't even give a **** about what Cutler did before the Johnson call. That game was over with that TD catch. And you know damn good and well he was bailed out several times last night, including that mess on the last drive. You're so ****ing ridiculous, but that's nothing new around here.

Champagne Powder
09-28-2010, 12:34 PM
I like both Orton and Cutler:)

I am hoping Orton breaks Dan Marino's single season passing yardage record and I am hoping Cutler leads the Bears to the NFC North division crown and then plays Mike Shanahan in the NFC Championship Game.

WABronco
09-28-2010, 12:36 PM
I want Phyllis Rivers over Cutler.

I actually kinda have taken to Phyllis. Don't hate.

jhns
09-28-2010, 12:39 PM
Ahahahahahahahahahahahaaaaaa...a ref overturning a CLEAR Calvin Johnson TD and a PI call on what should have been a pick are two of the most badass game-winning drives I've ever witnessed. I don't even give a **** about what Cutler did before the Johnson call. That game was over with that TD catch. And you know damn good and well he was bailed out several times last night, including that mess on the last drive. You're so ****ing ridiculous, but that's nothing new around here.

Ummmm, that wasn't a TD. I think it's time for you to go read some rules, like Johnson needs to do.

He was bailed out? No, the other team tried playing cheap and got flagged. Cutler made the plays needed to win the game. Everything else you say is childish bull. I have already explained that PI call. The fact that you guys use that against him is just funny. It is pretty easy to see that you guys don't know what you are talking about.

Rulon Velvet Jones
09-28-2010, 12:44 PM
Ummmm, that wasn't a TD. I think it's time for you to go read some rules, like Johnson needs to do.

He was bailed out? No, the other team tried playing cheap and got flagged. Cutler made the plays needed to win the game. Everything else you say is childish bull. I have already explained that PI call. The fact that you guys use that against him is just funny. It is pretty easy to see that you guys don't know what you are talking about.

LOL

You dumb mother***ker. In your head, you honestly believe you're above and beyond everyone else around here, don't you? That's hilarious. You really think Cutler isn't a flawed turnover machine with poor mechanics? Because that's the consensus right now, whether you like it or not. Covering that WR on that high flyball to right field wasn't cheap. It was stupid as the safety CLEARLY had a peg on that ball. It's all good, though. His true colors will show up eventually. Please remember that he hasn't had a winning season since high school but continue to praise him as some sort of a winner.

Miss I.
09-28-2010, 12:46 PM
Hey, how come there's not a John Elway >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>. everybody thread...come on now...;D

broncocalijohn
09-28-2010, 12:47 PM
I want Phyllis Rivers over Cutler.

I actually kinda have taken to Phyllis. Don't hate.

dont worry, I taken to Phyllis when we had the Frown Cannon. Only got rep from guys like 400z and other Charger fans. Felt like a trader but I shined great once the cutler saga began.

jhns
09-28-2010, 12:52 PM
In your head, you honestly believe you're above and beyond everyone else around here, don't you?

Yes.

WABronco
09-28-2010, 12:52 PM
Felt like a trader but I shined great once the cutler saga began.

You shined over us all.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 12:56 PM
Why must you prove that you are uneducated every time you post? We get it already.

Anyways, Cutler is 3-0 with two game winning drives already. You fail.

No response to the facts. Just name-calling and outright bull****.

Whatever, jizz. I can't teach someone who is determined to be ****ing stupid.

Miss I.
09-28-2010, 01:00 PM
Why is it that men turn everything into a giant pissing contest? Orton is greater than so and so, Cassel is not smarter than a 5th grader, etc, etc.

I like Orton. I like Cutler's skillset and truly hope he grows up enough to really be a leader on a team. I wish it had been here, but unfortunately it wasn't. I believe Kyle Orton has his own unique skills, which if coached correctly can make him a very good game manager. Jay also needs good coaching to get some of him implusiveness focused for better. I think it is possible to appreciate both of them for their own skills and also see their flaws, yet still appreciate them. I love Kyle because he his a Bronco and as long as he is on my team I will support him, just as I would other players and the coaching staff. I can be supportive without being blind to their flaws and maybe providing constructive criticism, not the name calling trash talk that seems so prevalent.

Kyle and Jay are two very different QBs who bring different skills to the table and both with the right coach, right plays can be very effective. When Jay gets his head on straight, he's going to formidable and I wish him well, but he's not a Bronco anymore so he's not my concern until the day we play him again and then of course I would prefer he have a high rate of interceptions. ;D

Mr.Meanie
09-28-2010, 01:03 PM
Just go already.

http://www.dabears.com/forum.php?

To be fair, everyone should know by now that if there is a 10+ page thread with either Cutler or Orton in the title, jhns will most likely be here knob-slobbing Cutler and trashing on the Broncos.

jhns
09-28-2010, 01:03 PM
No response to the facts. Just name-calling and outright bull****.

Whatever, jizz. I can't teach someone who is determined to be ****ing stupid.

Facts? LOL You think you can teach when you don't even know what a fact is? That is cute.

Anyways, I have responded to every topic in your post. You are just repeating yourself like a child thinking that it will change the response.

I like when you cry about name calling when most of your posts are childish insults. Funny stuff.

Eldorado
09-28-2010, 01:04 PM
http://www.dabears.com/forum.php?

Dagmar
09-28-2010, 01:05 PM
http://astroguy.files.wordpress.com/2009/05/hhjj1.gif

Happy happy joy joy!

55CrushEm
09-28-2010, 01:18 PM
To be fair, everyone should know by now that if there is a 10+ page thread with either Cutler or Orton in the title, jhns will most likely be here knob-slobbing Cutler and trashing on the Broncos.

Yep.....pretty much this.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 02:04 PM
Can we really just stop with threads like these?

This thread was started in the spirit of satire.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 02:08 PM
I'm dumb

Try to follow the bouncing ball. Some tool was arguing that there was a safety over the top, and therefore Cutler's decision was corrected.

Clearly there was a safety there, and at best that's a 50/50 ball between the safety and WR if he isn't interfered with. Putting 50/50 balls up for grabs without reading the field is, and always will be, Cutler's MO.

bendog
09-28-2010, 02:14 PM
That would make sense IF the safety had NOT been in the middle of the field. The corner had no deep help, so he had to run into the WR.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 02:24 PM
That would make sense IF the safety had NOT been in the middle of the field. The corner had no deep help, so he had to run into the WR.

I'm really confused at this point, as to what you're suggesting. The corner didn't need to run into the wide receiver at all, because the safety stepped in front of the play and made the interception. The ball was placed where it needed to be IF A SAFETY WAS NOT THERE. But, as we all know, the safety WAS there. Cutler got lucky and the cornerback was dumb enough to jack the wide receiver before the interception was made, thus the PI.

Eldorado
09-28-2010, 02:27 PM
Jesus, mo, try and keep up. Cutler doesn't make mistakes. Only his team mates do.

jhns
09-28-2010, 02:31 PM
Try to follow the bouncing ball. Some tool was arguing that there was a safety over the top, and therefore Cutler's decision was corrected.

Clearly there was a safety there, and at best that's a 50/50 ball between the safety and WR if he isn't interfered with. Putting 50/50 balls up for grabs without reading the field is, and always will be, Cutler's MO.

LOL

Keep reaching. Cutler is winning and leading game winning drives. The safety had no shot at that ball if the receiver wasn't held. These are the facts. You guys make Bronco fans look dumb.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 02:32 PM
That would make sense IF the safety had NOT been in the middle of the field. The corner had no deep help, so he had to run into the WR.

What would make sense? Where Cutler threw the ball? How can you say the CB had no help when the help caught the ball? Are you really that daft?

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 02:33 PM
I'm dumb.
Okay, because the WR was held up by the CB the safety somehow sprouted wings that made it possible for him to get to the ball?

bendog
09-28-2010, 02:34 PM
dude, he caught the ball because Cutler threw a rainbow. Even Millen said it hung forevoer. It was just the usual throw it short and make the guy in man coverage run over the reciever. No big deal.

Funny thread though.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 02:36 PM
dude, he caught the ball because Cutler threw a rainbow.

I'm sure that was Urlacher's fault though, so it's easily forgiven.

Chris
09-28-2010, 02:38 PM
Cutler says jhns has no gag reflex.

bendog
09-28-2010, 02:38 PM
no, Lambchop threw it up there purposefully to get the PI or the catch. Come on, you started a funny thread. I gave you more credit.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 02:39 PM
Jesus, mo, try and keep up. Cutler doesn't make mistakes. Only his team mates do.

OK, so the receiver should have floated backwards two yards, spun around, shielded the safety with his body while grabbing it one handed and shielding the corner with his free arm.

Got it.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 02:40 PM
OK, so the receiver should have floated backwards two yards, spun around, shielded the safety with his body while grabbing it one handed and shielding the corner with his free arm.

Got it.

http://posterous.com/getfile/files.posterous.com/jackalert/VlI8RcPIBCMVNSkZjYvNFfqD9xdp2fyWeMpjvHCO5hPvUe2FYk L0XB8XgPJD/Hannibal_a-team.jpeg.jpg

Jay loves it when a plan comes together.

orangemonkey
09-28-2010, 02:41 PM
Pulled this from broncos country. Did McDaniels really say this about King Orton? If yes, wow.

"He's being productive, but I tend to think about the quarterback relative to wins and losses, third down and red zone," McDaniels said. "Yesterday, we weren't very good on third down, we weren't very good in the red zone and we lost the game."

He also follows with, "I think he would agree entirely with my assessment of our team, and our quarterback has to play well in those situations for us to have a chance to win against good teams."

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 02:42 PM
no, Lambchop threw it up there purposefully to get the PI or the catch.Which is a hugely risky play, given the safety help, and Culter's MO.

jhns
09-28-2010, 02:43 PM
Okay, because the WR was held up by the CB the safety somehow sprouted wings that made it possible for him to get to the ball?

Yes, the fact that the receiver was no longer able to run back to the ball made it so the safety could get there. Do you think he has a clear path to make that running catch with a player in front of him? Do you think the receiver was just going to wait for the ball at the spot the safety got it rather than continue toward the QB and grab it at a higher point? The very best the safety could have done was hit the receiver or try knocking the ball out of his hands.

You are speculating a ton and need a ton of ifs to say Cutler made mistakes with this pass. It is pretty funny stuff. You sound like a douche that went all emo because his ex girlfriend went on to better things.

Eldorado
09-28-2010, 02:44 PM
OK, so the receiver should have floated backwards two yards, spun around, shielded the safety with his body while grabbing it one handed and shielding the corner with his free arm.

Got it.

That's the way Martz drew it up. Cutler executed it perfectly.

Eldorado
09-28-2010, 02:44 PM
http://www.dabears.com/forum.php

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 02:46 PM
You are reaching to say it wasn't a bad pass. The safety makes it there either way, making it a jump ball in the absolute best case scenario. Which is routinely known around football circles as a BAD THROW.

My god. Just keep ****in' that chicken.

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Dedhed
09-28-2010, 02:46 PM
I'm dumbI know.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 02:47 PM
The very best the safety could have done was hit the receiver or try knocking the ball out of his hands.

The very best?

He picked the pass off.

You are speculating a ton and need a ton of ifs to say Cutler made mistakes with this pass.

I'll reiterate.

The pass was picked off.

jhns
09-28-2010, 02:50 PM
You are reaching to say it wasn't a bad pass. The safety makes it there either way, making it a jump ball in the absolute best case scenario. Which is routinely known around football circles as a BAD THROW.

My god. Just keep ****in' that chicken.



Really? A one on one jump ball, where the receiver has position, is a bad throw?

LOL

Wow, you just keep showing your ignorance. You should really learn something about this sport if you are going to spend so much time discussing it.

Eldorado
09-28-2010, 02:51 PM
http://www.dabears.com/forum.php

jhns
09-28-2010, 02:52 PM
The very best?

He picked the pass off.



I'll reiterate.

The pass was picked off.

Good, then it counts against Cutler and we can use those stats to compare him to Orton. The stats show Cutler is playing much better than Orton.

/thread

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 02:53 PM
I'm dumb

Does 2=1 in your world? Because if there is a DB and a safety to 1 WR, I'm pretty sure that's a 2 on 1 jump ball in favor of the defense.

But keep f--kin that chicken boy. I have no doubt you will, just like I have no doubts that Cutler will continue to make poor decisions with the football.

Eldorado
09-28-2010, 02:53 PM
Please...

http://www.dabears.com/forum.php

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 02:54 PM
I'm dumb

Please post said stats.

jhns
09-28-2010, 02:54 PM
I know.

LOL

Oh no, the three year old sure got me good!

Rabb
09-28-2010, 02:56 PM
Please...

http://www.dabears.com/forum.php

come on man, it was funny the first time

now it's spamming

Eldorado
09-28-2010, 02:56 PM
Just go

http://www.dabears.com/forum.php

jhns
09-28-2010, 02:58 PM
Does 2=1 in your world? Because if there is a DB and a safety to 1 WR, I'm pretty sure that's a 2 on 1 jump ball in favor of the defense.

But keep f--kin that chicken boy. I have no doubt you will, just like I have no doubts that Cutler will continue to make poor decisions with the football.

LOL

Ummm, the corner got burnt. Why do you think he held the receiver? It is pretty obvious that you didn't watch the play.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 03:06 PM
Really? A one on one jump ball, where the receiver has position, is a bad throw?

It wasn't a one on one jump ball.

There was a safety that jumped the route.

:wave:

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 03:07 PM
Good, then it counts against Cutler and we can use those stats to compare him to Orton. The stats show Cutler is playing much better than Orton.

/thread

Yes, let's do that.

Player A 37-57, 64 percent comp., 476 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, Rating, 89.5
Player B 16-27, 59 percent comp., 221 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, Rating, 82.5

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 03:11 PM
I'm Dumb

The corner failed to turn and find the ball, that doesn't change the fact that it was 2 on 1. And he certainly wasn't 'burned' on the play.

jhns
09-28-2010, 03:13 PM
Yes, let's do that.

Player A 37-57, 64 percent comp., 476 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, Rating, 89.5
Player B 16-27, 59 percent comp., 221 yards, 1 TD, 1 INT, Rating, 82.5

LOL

So you determined that Orton was better from a single week in which Cutler won and Orton lost? The same week in which Ortons team sucked on Offense and Cutler led his team on a game winning drive?

Wow, I am really up against some Einsteins here.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 03:14 PM
LOL

So you determined that Orton was better from a single week in which Cutler won and Orton lost? The same week in which Ortons team sucked on Offense and Cutler led his team on a game winning drive?

Wow, I am really up against some Einsteins here.

All you asked for was stats to compare. So I put up this week's stats. I made no conclusions from either.

jhns
09-28-2010, 03:18 PM
Here are the facts. Cutler threw one interception last night. Cutler led the team on a game winning drive. Cutler now has two of those in three games. Cutler is 3-0.

You guys can try disputing these facts all you want. It won't change them.

55CrushEm
09-28-2010, 03:21 PM
Here are the facts. Cutler threw one interception last night. Cutler led the team on a game winning drive. Cutler now has two of those in three games. Cutler is 3-0.

You guys can try disputing these facts all you want. It won't change them.

No one here disputes facts except you and a few others. What most realize, though.....is that stats don't tell the entire story. They tell part of it.

Don't let go of Beetus's sack though.....you've got a good grip.

bendog
09-28-2010, 03:21 PM
not that I want to get involved, but for those trying to say that one should look at the big, rather than the single year/game picture, you might want to check out career stats at football reference .. in terms of TD's and passer rating.

Still a very funny thread.

jhns
09-28-2010, 03:23 PM
All you asked for was stats to compare. So I put up this week's stats. I made no conclusions from either.

Well, I was saying we can compare their season stats but I probably didn't make that clear. The thread topic is that Orton is better than Cutler. We will surely be able to compare their stats all season to see if that is true. These "could have been picks" are not something that go for or against a QB. They will not show up on the stat sheets. They do not change the outcome of the games.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 03:27 PM
not that I want to get involved, but for those trying to say that one should look at the big, rather than the single year/game picture, you might want to check out career stats at football reference .. in terms of TD's and passer rating.

Still a very funny thread.

The two quarterbacks are extremely similar over the course of their careers. Cutler has more TDs and more INTs, and Orton's overall record is better, and Cutler's passer rating is a few points higher.

Plus, we have Robert Ayers and a Gronkowski (don't ask me which one it is, I can't remember).

Go Broncos.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 03:27 PM
Well, I was saying we can compare their season stats but I probably didn't make that clear. The thread topic is that Orton is better than Cutler. We will surely be able to compare their stats all season to see if that is true. These "could have been picks" are not something that go for or against a QB. They will not show up on the stat sheets. They do not change the outcome of the games.

That pass interference call absolutely changed the outcome of that game.

bendog
09-28-2010, 03:33 PM
The two quarterbacks are extremely similar over the course of their careers. Cutler has more TDs and more INTs, and Orton's overall record is better, and Cutler's passer rating is a few points higher.

Plus, we have Robert Ayers and a Gronkowski (don't ask me which one it is, I can't remember).

Go Broncos.

like i said, I don't want to get involved. I will say that neither Orton nor Cutler will be the broncos starting qb in 2013, and if either is by some wierd happenstance, McDaniels will not be the coach.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 03:34 PM
I'm Dumb

So, if you're complaining about sample size, let's go to career stats then.

Shall we start with wins and losses and move on from there?

jhns
09-28-2010, 03:35 PM
No one here disputes facts except you and a few others. What most realize, though.....is that stats don't tell the entire story. They tell part of it.


Really? Show me these facts that I am disputing.

You are right that they don't tell the entire story. It isn't telling the story any better when saying a player made bad plays because the other team cheated to force a mistake. You don't know what would have happened if the other team didn't cheat. Also, why should we care about almost interceptions. Orton has just as many this season. Watch the first game again. This is not an argument that favors either side.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 03:36 PM
like i said, I don't want to get involved. I will say that neither Orton nor Cutler will be the broncos starting qb in 2013, and if either is by some wierd happenstance, McDaniels will not be the coach.

Yes. We can agree that Cutler will not be the quarterback of the Broncos in 2013.

If it's not Tebow, McDaniels won't be the coach. He has pinned his first head coaching gig in the NFL on Tim Tebow.

Popps
09-28-2010, 03:36 PM
They just broke the throw down on NFL live... saying that the CB didn't have to interfere, as the safety had an easy pick if he hadn't.

Or, more simply... they just watched the play with their eyes open.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 03:38 PM
They just broke the throw down on NFL live... saying that the CB didn't have to interfere, as the safety had an easy pick if he hadn't.

Or, more simply... they just watched the play with their eyes open.

No ****?

Shocker.

Honestly, both the receiver and the defensive back were grappling with each other. It's just that that call goes to the offense.

bendog
09-28-2010, 03:39 PM
or, if there was no PI, the reciever had a fair catch. But continue your self-justification. lol

jhns
09-28-2010, 03:39 PM
So, if you're complaining about sample size, let's go to career stats then.

Shall we start with wins and losses and move on from there?

LOL

Sure, let's start there. We can begin by showing that Orton had his only good record by throwing about 300 yards for an entire season. Let's talk about how he was a big part of those wins...

Then let's show that Cutler has better numbers with one less year in the league.

Then let's move on to this season and show that Cutler is outplaying him right now.

Rabb
09-28-2010, 03:40 PM
or, if the lineman hadn't been flagged for the hit on Jay, he would have had another pick late in the game

I love the if game

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 03:45 PM
LOL

Sure, let's start there. We can begin by showing that Orton had his only good record by throwing about 300 yards for an entire season. Let's talk about how he was a big part of those wins...

Then let's show that Cutler has better numbers with one less year in the league.

Then let's move on to this season and show that Cutler is outplaying him right now.

So, earlier in this thread the stats didn't matter, only the win, now the stats matter, and we're discounting the wins.

Yup, par for the course.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 03:47 PM
or, if the lineman hadn't been flagged for the hit on Jay, he would have had another pick late in the game

I love the if game

That was a BS call, by the way. And I would say that if it were on anybody against any quarterback. Those defenders are taught to try to knock the ball down and then hit the quarterback, but suddenly, now, in the last two years, that's a penalty, when defenders have been doing it for 60 effing years.

jhns
09-28-2010, 03:48 PM
So, earlier in this thread the stats didn't matter, only the win, now the stats matter, and we're discounting the wins.

Yup, par for the course.

Sure wins matter. When did I say they don't? I am putting wins and stats together. Does that not fit your argument? Is this making it too hard on you?

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 03:50 PM
Sure wins matter. When did I say they don't? I am putting wins and stats together. Does that not fit your argument?

No matter what you do you're just going to go in circles.

As a whole, Orton was the better quarterback last year, statistically, wins, all of the categories. The previous year, Cutler was.

It's just going to go in circles.

Back to the NFL Network analysts saying how bad of a pass Cutler threw last night, and how lucky he was that PI was called...

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 03:51 PM
I notice jizz breath hasn't responded to the breakdown of the throw. How... expected.

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 03:52 PM
I'm dumb

I thought all you cared about was stats and wins/losses. Those don't need justification, right?

jhns
09-28-2010, 03:52 PM
That was a BS call, by the way. And I would say that if it were on anybody against any quarterback. Those defenders are taught to try to knock the ball down and then hit the quarterback, but suddenly, now, in the last two years, that's a penalty, when defenders have been doing it for 60 effing years.

Helmet to helmet hits on the QB have been fair up until two years ago? I thought they made that rule a while ago.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-28-2010, 03:53 PM
They just broke the throw down on NFL live... saying that the CB didn't have to interfere, as the safety had an easy pick if he hadn't.

Or, more simply... they just watched the play with their eyes open.

Weird. Did they say that it was a part of the play? Throwing the ball up, praying to god, and hoping for a PI call?

:thumbsup:

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 03:54 PM
Back to the NFL Network analysts saying how bad of a pass Cutler threw last night, and how lucky he was that PI was called...

Don't distract a knobbler from knobbling with reality based analysis.

Rabb
09-28-2010, 03:54 PM
That was a BS call, by the way. And I would say that if it were on anybody against any quarterback. Those defenders are taught to try to knock the ball down and then hit the quarterback, but suddenly, now, in the last two years, that's a penalty, when defenders have been doing it for 60 effing years.

totally agree

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 03:54 PM
Helmet to helmet hits on the QB have been fair up until two years ago? I thought they made that rule a while ago.

It's been a point of emphasis. He hit him first with his arms and chest, and his helmet came into contact with the very bottom of the face mask. It wasn't late. I still don't think that should be a personal foul, regardless of who the players are. I know you're going to defend this one tooth and nail because its Cutler, so it's useless to even try to rationalize it, but...

bendog
09-28-2010, 03:54 PM
I notice jizz breath hasn't responded to the breakdown of the throw. How... expected.

anger much? lol

As for improving qb's ... orton's doing better to be out of Turner's offense and so is Cutler.

jhns
09-28-2010, 03:54 PM
I notice jizz breath hasn't responded to the breakdown of the throw. How... expected.

Ummm, I have about 20 posts responding to this. Learn to read.

jhns
09-28-2010, 03:58 PM
It's been a point of emphasis. He hit him first with his arms and chest, and his helmet came into contact with the very bottom of the face mask. It wasn't late. I still don't think that should be a personal foul, regardless of who the players are. I know you're going to defend this one tooth and nail because its Cutler, so it's useless to even try to rationalize it, but...

You are so full of ****. He hit Cutler with his helmet first. Watch the play. Cutlers helmet instantly jumps half way up his face.

By the way, it doesn't matter who the players are. No player is allowed to make a helmet to helmet hit at any point, on any part of the field, or against any player.

Rulon Velvet Jones
09-28-2010, 03:58 PM
Ummm, I have about 20 posts responding to this. Learn to read.

If he can't read, then how will he know to go back to read those 20 posts?

Dedhed
09-28-2010, 03:58 PM
Ummm, I have about 20 posts responding to this. Learn to read.

No, that's what you have in your head. What actually came out, for all to see btw, was 20 posts where you say "Because it was Cutler it was perfect, reality be damned".

Sassy
09-28-2010, 03:58 PM
Orton off to great start but can do better
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ENGLEWOOD (AP) - Kyle Orton's not the problem. He'll have to be a big part of the solution, though.


The Denver Broncos (1-2) have a wheezing ground game, a turnstile offensive line and issues finishing drives, ingredients that will add up to many more losses if they don't fix things fast.

Orton, though, is off to the best start of his career on the heels of a terrific training camp that earned him a contract extension and put to rest any notion of rookie Tim Tebow taking the reins of Denver's offense anytime soon.
He's already thrown for 1,078 yards, the NFL's fifth-highest yardage total after three games over the last half century.

He threw for a career-best 476 yards Sunday on 37 of 57 passing but managed just one touchdown toss to go with one interception in a 27-13 loss to Peyton Manning and the Indianapolis Colts.

"Um, he's been productive, certainly," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said Monday of his sixth-year quarterback. "But I tend to think about the quarterback relative to wins and losses, third down and red zone. Yesterday, we weren't very good on third down or in the red zone and we lost the game.

"That's not a reflection solely on Kyle Orton. Certainly I thought he did a lot of great things in the game. He's done a lot of good things all season long. I think he would agree entirely with my assessment of our team and our quarterback has to play well in those situations for our team to have a chance to win against good teams.

"So right now, I think he's playing well, but we have to play better in those situations that are really going to determine the outcome of drives and ultimately the outcome of games."

Orton concurs with his coach.

"When you lose a game, nothing was real effective obviously," he said. "Stats are pretty much meaningless when you lose, and there are other plays in the passing game that we didn't make, and certainly some plays in the running game to be made, too."

The Broncos were held out of the end zone on five trips inside the Colts' 20-yard line Sunday and were just 5 of 15 on third down and 1 of 4 on fourth down.

If they can clean things up in these areas, they certainly have the passing prowess to be one of the NFL's surprising teams of 2010.

Orton, whose downfield ability was limited last year by two bum ankles, which affected his mechanics and throwing motion, has already thrown 13 passes of 25 yards or more, most in the NFL. That's half the number of big plays he collected all of last season.

The problem is, the Broncos are unbalanced.

It doesn't matter who Orton's handing off to, Denver's running game is like a muscle car stuck in the mud, spraying muck all over everything but going nowhere fast.

The Broncos managed just 47 yards on 18 carries against the Colts for a paltry 2.6-yard average one week after averaging just 1.7 yards a carry in a win over Seattle.

For the season, Denver's dismal ground game is averaging 2.7 yards a carry and none of their backs are even averaging 3 yards a carry -- the mark of mediocrity.

"The good thing is we're not going backward. We had one minus-(yardage) carry yesterday," McDaniels said. "We had very few of those in the first two games, also. Once we start finishing runs as well as we start them, our running game will be much improved."

While the Broncos aren't piling up negative runs, their running game sure is a big minus.

On Sunday, Laurence Maroney gained 24 yards on a dozen carries in place of Knowshon Moreno, who pulled his left hamstring in practice last week and whose status for Sunday at Tennessee is undetermined.

Correll Buckhalter ran four times for 12 yards Sunday, when the best average went to - who else? - Orton, who scrambled twice for a 5.5-yard average.
(Copyright 2010 by The Associated Press. All Rights Reserved.)

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 04:02 PM
You are so full of ****. He hit Cutler with his helmet first. Watch the play. Cutlers helmet instantly jumps half way up his face.

By the way, it doesn't matter who the players are. No player is allowed to make a helmet to helmet hit at any point, on any part of the field, or against any player.

Figures.

Go watch the play. NFL Network analyst's immediate reaction, "That's a tough call."

He hit him in the chest and the crown of his helmet hits the bottom of Cutler's face mask.

bendog
09-28-2010, 04:04 PM
Figures.

Go watch the play. NFL Network analyst's immediate reaction, "That's a tough call."

He hit him in the chest and the crown of his helmet hits the bottom of Cutler's face mask.

A tough call! Holy crap! roflmao. Romo was just misunderstood.

DBroncos4life
09-28-2010, 04:17 PM
I liked the way Jay handled himself in the presser. Saying "he" didn't play well and "we" as a team need to do better.

Missouribronc
09-28-2010, 04:22 PM
I liked the way Jay handled himself in the presser. Saying "he" didn't play well and "we" as a team need to do better.

Yeah, and he won. Let's see what happens after a loss when he gets sacked 7 times. He hinted at throwing the offensive line under the bus in training camp already.