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Bronco Rob
09-27-2010, 04:12 AM
Red zone wreck: Broncos score 6 points on five trips inside 20 vs. Colts


DENVER -- There was no slowing down Peyton Manning, even without two of his favorite receivers.
Manning threw for three touchdowns despite the absence of Anthony Gonzalez and Pierre Garcon, and the Indianapolis Colts beat the crestfallen Denver Broncos 27-13 Sunday.

The Broncos (1-2) were playing with heavy hearts following the death of teammate Kenny McKinley.

There was a moment of silence before kickoff in honor of the 23-year-old wide receiver who died Monday at his home near team headquarters. Sheriff's department investigators believe McKinley killed himself with a .45-caliber pistol because he was depressed following his second straight season-ending knee surgery.

"Kenny, he's resting in peace right now. I think we're going to leave it at that," Mario Haggan said. "He'll be withus forever. I`m not a big advocate on dedicating a football game to someone, but he`ll always be in my heart and forever a good guy and a teammate."

Several members of the organization, including some players, will fly to his funeral in Georgia today.

Kyle Orton threw for a career-best 476 yards on 37-of-57 passing and the Broncos outgained the Colts (2-1) by more than 150 yards. But they failed to get into the end zone on five trips inside the 20-yard line, settling for two field goals and turning over the ball on downs three times.

"The guys might have bent a little along the way, but they certainly didn`t break," Colts coach Jim Caldwell said. "They got stingy down in the red zone."

The Broncos might have gotten greedy, eschewing field goal attempts twice when the outcome was still in doubt.

"We convert those, we`re geniuses and we`re all great players," said Denver receiver Brandon Lloyd.

Orton said he won`t second-guess the calls to go for it, not with Manning on the other side.

"You need touchdowns down there. You know he`s going to come down and get his," Orton said.

"You`re going to win this game with touchdowns, not field goals," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said, adding, "I`d do the same thing again."

Orton`s 476 yards passing were the second most in Broncos history and the second most a Colts opponent had gained through the air.

Only Joe Namath`s 496 yards back in 1972 were more than Orton had against the Colts.

Indy got into the air show, too.

With Garcon nursing a sore hamstring, Austin Collie set career bests with a dozen catches for 171 yards and two touchdowns, and Blair White, playing because Gonzalez has a high ankle sprain, caught a TD pass one day after being promoted from the practice squad.

Broncos rookie cornerback Perrish Cox had a difficult debut as a starter in place of the injured Andre` Goodman. He was beaten for two scoring passes and also fumbled away a punt that led to a score.

Cox said he lost track of the ball on the two TDs.

"When you do that kind of stuff," he said, "Peyton Manning finds it."

And if you fumble the punt, Justin Tryon smothers it.

"The same thing. I took my eye off of it, trying to read my blockers too early," Cox admitted.

The Broncos weren`t blaming the brash rookie, however.

"We can`t dwell on this one because we`re going to need Perrish all year," Haggan said, noting Cox isn`t the first greenhorn Manning has exploited. "Peyton goes after vets, so it just happens."

Neither team ran the ball well, the Colts managing just 40 yards and the Broncos 47.

"We had to be patient because the run game was kind of a grind," said Manning, who was 27 of 43 for 325 yards and no interceptions.

Lloyd caught six passes for a career-high 169 yards and Jabar Gaffney hauled in 12 passes for 140 yards for the Broncos. Denver moved up and down the field but couldn`t do much in the red zone, where it ran 21 plays without reaching the end zone.

"That`s a good red zone football team," Orton said. "That`s what their team is built around. Their defense is very fast. They play tough coverage to throw the ball against down there. We just didn`t execute. Everything has to happen fast. Everybody has to be on the same page."

Trailing 13-0, the Broncos had first-and-goal from the 1, but failed to punch it in without fullback Spencer Larsen leading the way. He was knocked out of the game earlier with an ankle injury.

They thought they had a touchdown on Laurence Maroney`s fourth-and-1 run around left tackle, but with smoke from fireworks wafting through Invesco Field, Caldwell challenged and the referee ruled Maroney`s right knee hit the ground just before the ball broke the plane of the goal line.



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go_broncos
09-27-2010, 04:21 AM
"You`re going to win this game with touchdowns, not field goals," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said, adding, "I`d do the same thing again."

If you do the same thing again, the result will be same.
You can win games with FG's too.

Tom A Hawk
09-27-2010, 05:54 AM
"You`re going to win this game with touchdowns, not field goals," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said, adding, "I`d do the same thing again."

If you do the same thing again, the result will be same.
You can win games with FG's too.

That is soooo Herm Edwards

tsiguy96
09-27-2010, 06:17 AM
"You`re going to win this game with touchdowns, not field goals," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said, adding, "I`d do the same thing again."

If you do the same thing again, the result will be same.
You can win games with FG's too.

we lost by 14 pts. 2 TDs. 2 FGs wouldnt not have gotten the win.

Jesterhole
09-27-2010, 06:23 AM
What pisses me off most if that Josh gutted the schemes and personnel that produced season after season of extremely productive running games and replaced them with something that isn't nearly as effective.

And the best player we could have used in those goal line situations, Tebow, wasn't even actived because McDaniels won't use him.

tsiguy96
09-27-2010, 06:25 AM
What pisses me off most if that Josh gutted the schemes and personnel that produced season after season of extremely productive running games and replaced them with something that isn't nearly as effective.

And the best player we could have used in those goal line situations, Tebow, wasn't even actived because McDaniels won't use him.

josh is allowed to install his own system as he sees fit. gutting an old system for a new one takes time. its not working now, hopefully eventually it does, but the running game on this team is designed to open up the pass.

RhymesayersDU
09-27-2010, 06:30 AM
"You`re going to win this game with touchdowns, not field goals," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said, adding, "I`d do the same thing again."

If you do the same thing again, the result will be same.
You can win games with FG's too.

It was interesting how the game played out.

When we were down 13-0 in the 2nd and the game seemed like it was slipping away, I was glad that Josh went for it, even though we got stopped. Thought we needed 7.

However, the game shifted a bit, and when we were down 7 late in the 3rd, obviously I would have liked that chip shot FG attempt back. So it's hard to judge I guess. Like I said, at the time of that 4 downs at the 1, I thought we absolutely need to go for it.

barryr
09-27-2010, 06:47 AM
I think I would have kicked the field goal to make it 20-16, but other than that, I think the other decisions were the right ones. But they don't have a go-to guy in the red zone and don't run the ball well at all, so they will continue to have struggles until one of those problems at least is solved.

Rulon Velvet Jones
09-27-2010, 06:51 AM
It's always so easy to question a 4th down call. If they get it, he's a genius. If they blow it, then he's an idiot for trying.

Dedhed
09-27-2010, 06:59 AM
What pisses me off most if that Josh gutted the schemes and personnel that produced season after season of extremely productive running games and replaced them with something that isn't nearly as effective.
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Those teams over the last 10 years were pitiful in the red zone. But don't worry about reality.

gyldenlove
09-27-2010, 07:14 AM
I think I would have kicked the field goal to make it 20-16, but other than that, I think the other decisions were the right ones. But they don't have a go-to guy in the red zone and don't run the ball well at all, so they will continue to have struggles until one of those problems at least is solved.

It still bothers me on the 1st and goal situation from the 2 or 3 yard line that ended in the review overturning the TD by Maroney why we didn't try to run it in the a-gaps. It seemed all our run plays were off tackle which in a red zone situation often takes too long to develop to be effective unless you have a very decisive one cut running back.

Without Moreno in there I would have preffered just jamming it down the middle behind the C and G and try to bull it in, maybe even on a FB carry.

The 4th and 3 I would have kicked, I know the logic behind going for it there since the 3 points mean you still need a TD anyway and the turnover means you give the other team bad field position, but the FG would at least have given a bit of momentum, the turnover on downs is a huge blow to the cock.

Mr.Meanie
09-27-2010, 07:53 AM
It still bothers me on the 1st and goal situation from the 2 or 3 yard line that ended in the review overturning the TD by Maroney why we didn't try to run it in the a-gaps. It seemed all our run plays were off tackle which in a red zone situation often takes too long to develop to be effective unless you have a very decisive one cut running back.

Without Moreno in there I would have preffered just jamming it down the middle behind the C and G and try to bull it in, maybe even on a FB carry.

The 4th and 3 I would have kicked, I know the logic behind going for it there since the 3 points mean you still need a TD anyway and the turnover means you give the other team bad field position, but the FG would at least have given a bit of momentum, the turnover on downs is a huge blow to the cock.

:spit:

Bronco Rob
09-27-2010, 03:36 PM
:spit:

Hamrob
09-27-2010, 06:15 PM
I questioned the decisions at the time. I don't now. I would have went for both on 4th down as well.

Our problem was both our play calling and our execution in the redzone.

The good news: We played the Colts tough.
The bad news: We suck in the redzone.

We need to become more creative in the redzone. Not run the ball through the same hole on 3 consecutive plays. We have several play-makers on this squad, but we seem to get fixated on just one or two when we get inside the 20. Two fade routes in a row to Gaffney...I couldn't believe that. Why not run the wild horses down there...or even take Orton out and let Tebow take it out of the shot gun...he would then have the option of running or throwing.

The biggest thing I think we can do to help...is to run the naked boot away from the strong side of the field. Let Orton roll out with two receivers in patterns on that side...he either throws to one of the two targets or throws it in the stands. I just think we need too mix it up some. Throw on first, run on 2nd, throw on 3rd...mix it up. Don't be so predictable.

snowspot66
09-27-2010, 06:19 PM
"You`re going to win this game with touchdowns, not field goals," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said, adding, "I`d do the same thing again."

If you do the same thing again, the result will be same.
You can win games with FG's too.

Last years game against the Colts says otherwise. We need TD's to beat Manning.

Garcia Bronco
09-27-2010, 07:00 PM
Coyer took us down. Hats off. They didn't even need Wayne or Manning. We will get them next time.

Cito Pelon
09-27-2010, 09:09 PM
It was a shame the Broncs didn't convert inside the redzone, but they were going for all or nothing. Seems like the fanbase is divided on whether or not that was a good idea.

extralife
09-27-2010, 09:14 PM
It's always so easy to question a 4th down call. If they get it, he's a genius. If they blow it, then he's an idiot for trying.

this is an easy cliche for a retard to fall back on. you are essentially saying that it is <i>impossible</i> to analyze a given situation and come to a conclusion. there's a reason coaches go for it on every fourth down these days, and this rationale is it. they are immune from criticism!

Popps
09-27-2010, 09:18 PM
It was a shame the Broncs didn't convert inside the redzone, but they were going for all or nothing. Seems like the fanbase is divided on whether or not that was a good idea.

I actually thought overturning the Maroney TD was questionable.

From the one angle that showed it the best... it wasn't conclusive that his knee actually made contact with the ground. It was bent in the direction, but it wasn't 100% clear from that shot that he wasn't being propelled forward enough to have the knee stay off the ground.

The call on the field was a TD. I was actually surprised that they found that conclusive enough evidence.

That call goes our way, and we're talking about a very different game, of course.

epicSocialism4tw
09-27-2010, 09:23 PM
It's always so easy to question a 4th down call. If they get it, he's a genius. If they blow it, then he's an idiot for trying.

What if he blows it twice?

Cito Pelon
09-27-2010, 09:36 PM
I think I would have kicked the field goal to make it 20-16, but other than that, I think the other decisions were the right ones. But they don't have a go-to guy in the red zone and don't run the ball well at all, so they will continue to have struggles until one of those problems at least is solved.

Yeah, but it's goofy to keep running the ball between the tackles on first down inside the five over, and over, and over. Christ, if it's not working, and this goes back to last season, why keep trying a failed formula? Christ, mix it up a bit, try some play-action on first down inside the five, or anytime with short yardage. Someone needs to slap some sense into Josh.

Cito Pelon
09-27-2010, 09:43 PM
I actually thought overturning the Maroney TD was questionable.

From the one angle that showed it the best... it wasn't conclusive that his knee actually made contact with the ground. It was bent in the direction, but it wasn't 100% clear from that shot that he wasn't being propelled forward enough to have the knee stay off the ground.

The call on the field was a TD. I was actually surprised that they found that conclusive enough evidence.

That call goes our way, and we're talking about a very different game, of course.

What irritated me was the poor strategy with first and goal. Way too predictable. Josh wants to make a statement by powering the ball in, and everybody knows it. Everybody on the planet knows Josh is gonna run to the left on first down inside the five. And second down. There's no creativity at all. As many have pointed out, the time to try a pass was on first or second down inside the five, not on third down.

ton80
09-27-2010, 11:08 PM
Just as the Broncos run game deteriorated after Harris was injured last year, the Broncos run game will greatly improve when Harris returns.

footstepsfrom#27
09-27-2010, 11:38 PM
"You`re going to win this game with touchdowns, not field goals," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said, adding, "I`d do the same thing again."

If you do the same thing again, the result will be same.
You can win games with FG's too.
Disagree entirely...you have to score TD's to beat the Colts. I think he was right to go for it, but the calls and execution failed...still like that better than seeing them settle for 3's and knowing what's coming next from Manning.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-27-2010, 11:47 PM
If only we could have learned from our goal-line and short yardage failures last year. We could have drafted a guy who is a running and passing threat, and created a package of plays just for that scenario. That kind of weapon might even have been worth a first round pick.

Cito Pelon
09-27-2010, 11:52 PM
If only we could have learned from our goal-line and short yardage failures last year. We could have drafted a guy who is a running and passing threat, and created a package of plays just for that scenario. That kind of weapon might even have been worth a first round pick.

Ba-zing!

Dr. Broncenstein
09-28-2010, 12:01 AM
Ba-zing!

It just seems crazy to me that we aren't using Tebow heavily in short yardage situations, unless he is still recovering from his preseason injury. Think of the mismatches you can create with him in an empty backfield.

SoCalBronco
09-28-2010, 12:06 AM
I think Josh said this past week that his ribs are still pretty sore (that might be why Quinn was temporarily elevated to No. 2, although that part is speculation).

Cito Pelon
09-28-2010, 12:12 AM
It just seems crazy to me that we aren't using Tebow heavily in short yardage situations, unless he is still recovering from his preseason injury. Think of the mismatches you can create with him in an empty backfield.

Well, just to be a dick, let's not pretend like Josh has any kind of imagination in short yardage situations.

And I'm being charitable to Josh.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-28-2010, 12:18 AM
Well, just to be a dick, let's not pretend like Josh has any kind of imagination in short yardage situations.

Lulz. That Maroney / Gronkowski combo was almost as innovative as the Hillis trade.

Cito Pelon
09-28-2010, 12:22 AM
Lulz. That Maroney / Gronkowski combo was almost as innovative as the Hillis trade.

Someone has to slap some sense into Josh in short yardage situations. His strategy sucks.

DBroncos4life
09-28-2010, 12:39 AM
Someone has to slap some sense into Josh in short yardage situations. His strategy sucks.

I think the pats always scored from miles away so mcd might not know how to handle being so close to th end zone