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TheReverend
09-25-2010, 10:47 AM
Breaking News
McNeill reports to Chargers

Holdout LT Marcus McNeill has reported to the San Diego Chargers, NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora reports.

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09-25-2010, 10:56 AM
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TheReverend
09-25-2010, 11:07 AM
^ Agree. At least it wasn't VJ reporting back. McNeill hasn't been too good since his standout rookie season from what I've seen. Throw several months of rust on top of that and he could be a liability this season. Let's hope so, at least.

SoCalBronco
09-25-2010, 11:19 AM
http://www.mediafire.com/imgbnc.php/127adfe71e4f35966c199680e5c494ea5g.jpg

baja
09-25-2010, 11:26 AM
Wonder if he's staying with the same agent? ;D

Popps
09-25-2010, 11:58 AM
**** the Chargers and anyone who has anything to do with them.

gyldenlove
09-25-2010, 12:01 PM
**** the Chargers and anyone who has anything to do with them.

**** them in the ass.

SoDak Bronco
09-25-2010, 12:10 PM
pussy

400HZ
09-25-2010, 12:18 PM
McNeil watched Dombrowski play awesome in his old spot and then saw the public bare-ass spanking that Vincent Jackson got. He decided to report while he still had some value and maybe a small amount of leverage towards a longterm contract. Or maybe he just ran out of money. The dude could have made $3.2 million this year if not for the advice of his (former?) agent.

I'm not too optimistic about the type of physical condition that he'll be in. He never really exuded weight room all-star to begin with.

richpjr
09-25-2010, 12:22 PM
He signs the $630k tender, but would not sign the $3.2 million tender. I sure hopes he is comfortable that the Chargers are going to sign him long term, because otherwise - what an idiot.

In either case, not good news for Bronco fans as the Chargers just got stronger.

theAPAOps5
09-25-2010, 01:02 PM
McNeil watched Dombrowski play awesome in his old spot and then saw the public bare-ass spanking that Vincent Jackson got. He decided to report while he still had some value and maybe a small amount of leverage towards a longterm contract. Or maybe he just ran out of money. The dude could have made $3.2 million this year if not for the advice of his (former?) agent.

I'm not too optimistic about the type of physical condition that he'll be in. He never really exuded weight room all-star to begin with.

You mean he saw how the team acted like 3 year olds and pretty much tainted any offer that got both parties happy? Yeah I guess he saw who he was dealing with and decided to just get through the year!

theAPAOps5
09-25-2010, 01:03 PM
McNeil watched Dombrowski play awesome in his old spot and then saw the public bare-ass spanking that Vincent Jackson got. He decided to report while he still had some value and maybe a small amount of leverage towards a longterm contract. Or maybe he just ran out of money. The dude could have made $3.2 million this year if not for the advice of his (former?) agent.

I'm not too optimistic about the type of physical condition that he'll be in. He never really exuded weight room all-star to begin with.

Yep case in point is Revis. Body just can't possibly be in real football shape.

Tombstone RJ
09-25-2010, 01:04 PM
This is the smartest thing McNeil has done is a while.

That One Guy
09-25-2010, 01:17 PM
He probably saw the only outcome was him not receiving any game checks and his reputation being further tarnished.

400HZ
09-25-2010, 01:24 PM
You mean he saw how the team acted like 3 year olds and pretty much tainted any offer that got both parties happy? Yeah I guess he saw who he was dealing with and decided to just get through the year!

Which offer was that one, again?

Broncoman13
09-25-2010, 03:50 PM
Which offer was that one, again?

A 2nd and a conditional... now you'll get nothing for him. He'll sign the reduced tender in week 10. Dog it enough that he'll be benched and then walk next year. One could only hope there is a franchise tag again next year and the Chargers are spiteful enough to waste it on him. With Jackson the Chargers are a 2-0 team right now and a powerhouse in the AFC. Without him, they're the cream of the AFC West, a 10-6 team and a one and done, lord of no rings, team.

Xenos
09-25-2010, 03:55 PM
A 2nd and a conditional... now you'll get nothing for him. He'll sign the reduced tender in week 10. Dog it enough that he'll be benched and then walk next year. One could only hope there is a franchise tag again next year and the Chargers are spiteful enough to waste it on him. With Jackson the Chargers are a 2-0 team right now and a powerhouse in the AFC. Without him, they're the cream of the AFC West, a 10-6 team and a one and done, lord of no rings, team.

How are we a 2-0 team with him again? Think about that for a second. Think really hard.

I'll give you a hint. He did something twice.

Xenos
09-25-2010, 04:01 PM
^ Agree. At least it wasn't VJ reporting back. McNeill hasn't been too good since his standout rookie season from what I've seen. Throw several months of rust on top of that and he could be a liability this season. Let's hope so, at least.
McNeill is depth at the moment since Domb is playing so well. He has to prove to be better than him before he gets inserted in the lineup again.

400HZ
09-25-2010, 04:31 PM
A 2nd and a conditional... now you'll get nothing for him. He'll sign the reduced tender in week 10. Dog it enough that he'll be benched and then walk next year. One could only hope there is a franchise tag again next year and the Chargers are spiteful enough to waste it on him. With Jackson the Chargers are a 2-0 team right now and a powerhouse in the AFC. Without him, they're the cream of the AFC West, a 10-6 team and a one and done, lord of no rings, team.

You said something about an offer that would have made both sides happy. Obviously there wasn't one, because if there was then Jackson would be gone.

A.J. Smith isn't the type of guy to give in to demands by players or agents, nor to get baited by attacks in the media. I'm fine with that.

Xenos
09-25-2010, 04:54 PM
You mean he saw how the team acted like 3 year olds and pretty much tainted any offer that got both parties happy? Yeah I guess he saw who he was dealing with and decided to just get through the year!

Nope. He saw how his replacement did and how much money he was losing each week, and realized that he didn't have any leverage left.

Dudeskey
09-25-2010, 05:02 PM
McNeil watched Dombrowski play awesome in his old spot and then saw the public bare-ass spanking that Vincent Jackson got. He decided to report while he still had some value and maybe a small amount of leverage towards a longterm contract. Or maybe he just ran out of money. The dude could have made $3.2 million this year if not for the advice of his (former?) agent.

I'm not too optimistic about the type of physical condition that he'll be in. He never really exuded weight room all-star to begin with.

Or with what little dignity he had left!

400HZ
09-25-2010, 05:45 PM
Or with what little dignity he had left!

He handled it stoically compared to Jackson. At least McNeil didn't have contract demands that became a league-wide joke, or let his representatives resort to name calling when they couldn't keep their promises. And he's wasn't suspended already for dumbass behavior.

JCMElway
09-25-2010, 06:57 PM
**** them in the ass.

ew

Boltjolt
09-25-2010, 07:17 PM
A 2nd and a conditional... now you'll get nothing for him. He'll sign the reduced tender in week 10. Dog it enough that he'll be benched and then walk next year. One could only hope there is a franchise tag again next year and the Chargers are spiteful enough to waste it on him. With Jackson the Chargers are a 2-0 team right now and a powerhouse in the AFC. Without him, they're the cream of the AFC West, a 10-6 team and a one and done, lord of no rings, team.

Worst case scenario is we get a 3rd round comp pick when he signs with somebody else for a big contract. However, i bet he gets franchised to a non exclusive tag and he ends up getting traded for a pick(s).

Boltjolt
09-25-2010, 07:18 PM
McNeill is depth at the moment since Domb is playing so well. He has to prove to be better than him before he gets inserted in the lineup again.

We already know McNeill is better than Clary. When he is ready, put McNeill at LT and Dombro at RT and that is a big upgrade.

baja
09-25-2010, 07:28 PM
Worst case scenario is we get a 3rd round comp pick when he signs with somebody else for a big contract. However, i bet he gets franchised to a non exclusive tag and he ends up getting traded for a pick(s).

I could be wrong but didn't you guys let walk:

Brees QB / Turner RB / Harrison CB / Junior Seau LB / Cromartie CB

/ Tomlinson RB


Why would it be different this time?

Missouribronc
09-25-2010, 07:51 PM
Jackson doesn't have to sign anything in this case, or ever report because of the lack of a collective bargaining agreement. He's a free agent next offseason no matter what. A.J. Smith is an idiot, because now all he's going to get is like a third or fourth round comp pick for Jackson.

ZONA
09-25-2010, 09:08 PM
RIVERS SUCKS.................well at least when I dream about football he does, hahaha.

Xenos
09-25-2010, 10:23 PM
We already know McNeill is better than Clary. When he is ready, put McNeill at LT and Dombro at RT and that is a big upgrade.
Dom's a natural at left tackle. He's not as good as Clary is at RT. Clary gets a lot grief for some odd reason even though he's been our most consistent olineman, specifically because he's left on an island a lot of times without TE help. I suppose you can try McNeill at RT and see what happens there.

Xenos
09-25-2010, 10:25 PM
Jackson doesn't have to sign anything in this case, or ever report because of the lack of a collective bargaining agreement. He's a free agent next offseason no matter what. A.J. Smith is an idiot, because now all he's going to get is like a third or fourth round comp pick for Jackson.
Once again, that's false. If the new CBA gets signed too late then VJ will be stuck in limbo again.

boltaneer
10-13-2010, 08:31 PM
Jackson doesn't have to sign anything in this case, or ever report because of the lack of a collective bargaining agreement. He's a free agent next offseason no matter what. A.J. Smith is an idiot, because now all he's going to get is like a third or fourth round comp pick for Jackson.

Oh?

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5683051

Sources: Players advised to report

Restricted free agents Vincent Jackson and Logan Mankins both will report this season to their respective teams, the San Diego Chargers and New England Patriots, upon recommendation from the National Football Players Association, according to several sources.

Under this scenario, Jackson will report to the Chargers by Oct. 31 and Mankins will report to the Patriots by Nov. 16 to earn an accrued season and secure unrestricted free agency in 2011.

Jackson's reporting deadline is earlier because the Chargers elected to place him on roster exempt, meaning Jackson must sit out three unpaid games before he is eligible to receive the necessary six paid games to earn his sixth accrued season.

Neither Jackson nor Mankins could be reached for comment. Their agents, Neil Schwartz (Jackson) and Frank Bauer (Mankins), declined comment.

Jackson and Mankins were among the players caught in significant changes because of an uncapped year that moved unrestricted free agency from four years to six years. Jackson and Mankins became part of a large class of restricted free agents when their contracts expired after their fifth season (2009). Both declined to sign their restricted free agent contract tenders, a requirement before players can report to their teams.

In a related development, NFLPA general counsel Richard Berthelsen recently sought clarification on the reporting dates because the NFL constitution has a by-law that states clubs have an option not reinstate a player who reports after Tuesday's trade deadline. That created a potential conflict with the labor agreement, which states that a player who has not signed a contract by the Tuesday following the 10th week of the regular season would be ineligible to play that year.

Jeffrey Kessler, chief outside legal counsel for the NFLPA, confirmed that he was asked by the union to clarify the potential conflict.

"The issue arose, we had a discussion and the league quickly agreed that the CBA supersedes the constitution on any potential conflicting provision," Kessler said.

"Yes, that's correct," confirmed NFL spokesman Greg Aiello via email. "In the CBA, a restricted free agent has the right to accept his tender and report to the club any time up until the Tuesday after week 10 (Nov. 16, 4 p.m. ET) of the regular season, whether or not the club requests or agrees to his reporting."

Berthelsen asked Kessler to get a clarification because the league constitution that governs its 32 member clubs addresses the status of specific absent players in by-law 17-13: "All players in categories of Reserve/Retired, Reserve/Did Not Report, and Reserve/Veteran Free Agent asked to Re-Sign will continue to be prohibited from being reinstated in the last 30 days of the regular season. Additionally, no player in such category shall be reinstated between the trade deadline of the applicable season and the normal 30-day deadline unless the club initiates the reinstatement request and the commissioner approves it."

The union wanted pre-emptive clarification in case one of the clubs attempted to use the constitutional by-law to prohibit Jackson and Mankins from reporting because it did not want to have file a grievance to a Special Master, creating further delay.

Kessler would not confirm that the union has recommended Jackson and Mankins report in time to get their sixth accrued season in the event there is no labor agreement. That would allow teams to impose the restricted contract tenders on them in 2011, per the current CBA.

The same sources strongly reaffirmed Jackson and Mankins are expected to follow the NFLPA's recommendation and report to the Chargers and Patriots by their respective deadlines to ensure unrestricted free agency in 2011.

Jackson would miss his unpaid games of Oct. 31 (vs. Tennessee), Nov. 7 (at Houston) and Nov. 22 (vs. Broncos) because of his roster-exempt status before he can be paid for the final six games, starting Nov. 28 (at Indianapolis). The Chargers have a bye in week 10.

Mankins would have to report by the final deadline of Nov. 24, making him eligible to be paid and play in the final seven games because the Patriots had their bye in week five. The Patriots opted not to place him roster exempt, as the Chargers did with Jackson.

Both players can be traded by Tuesday's 4 p.m. deadline if they are willing to sign their contract tenders. Jackson would have to sit out the first three games with his new team under his roster-exempt status before being eligible to play.

Jackson was able to serve a three-game suspension to begin the season for violation of the personal conduct policy after being convicted of a second DUI even though he is not under contract.

The Chargers receiver, a Pro Bowl selection in 2009, is not facing an automatic year suspension under the substance abuse policy -- the next alcohol or drug violation under a specific disciplinary scale, would cost Jackson four game checks. Jackson is being tested randomly several times per month under the policy.

By Jackson and Mankins earning a sixth accrued season, the only way the Chargers and Patriots can restrict their free agency in 2011 would be to place a franchise tag on them next February at a considerably higher guaranteed value than the restricted contract tenders. A transition tag also would be available for the Chargers and Patriots instead of the franchise tag, but the teams would not receive any draft pick compensation and would only have right of first refusal on any contract the players signed with another team.

That One Guy
10-13-2010, 09:10 PM
I think it'd be awesome if the Pats could let Mankins push right to the deadline and then put him on the roster exempt list and it would negate this year of playing. The guy is going to go so far into the season that he'd be of no use to the club anyways so they could be spiteful and really piss him off. They'd have a right to, though, in principle as he was signed for this year but for all intents and purposes he was absolutely useless to them this year - whether he reports for a few weeks or not.

bronco militia
10-13-2010, 09:12 PM
RIVERS SUCKS.................well at least when I dream about football he does, hahaha.

you dream about rivers sucking what?

DivineBronco
10-13-2010, 09:55 PM
I don't have stats to back this up so I am prepared to get destroyed on this....but the hold out thing almost always end in the player getting hurt within two game of ending said hold out.......how many game do you give it till Marky Mark is out for the year...I am going to go crazy and say three