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Gutless Drunk
09-23-2010, 10:06 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/23/former-teammate-doubts-kenny-mckinley-committed-suicide/
Former teammate doubts Kenny McKinley committed suicide
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 23, 2010 10:11 AM ET
Broncos wide receiver Kenny McKinley was found dead this week in what police say was a suicide, but one of McKinley's former Broncos teammates, Giants defensive back D.J. Johnson, says he can't believe that's true.

"I don't think it happened the way they're saying it happened," Johnson said, per Tom Rock of Newsday. "I just don't. I don't think it was a suicide. That's my personal opinion on the situation. I think there's something fishy about the situation."

Johnson may not have all the facts available to him that the police have, and grief at the death of his friend may be clouding his view of the matter. But Johnson insists that McKinley had a lot to live for, including his love for his young son, and he suggested that there are criminals in Denver who target players on the Broncos.

"I know what the environment is like in Denver," he said. "I knew Kenny and I knew the type of people that we all hung around. You just never know. You can't trust nobody. He's not from there, I wasn't from there."

Johnson worries that McKinley may have been involved in a situation similar to the incident that led to Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams being killed in a drive-by shooting on New Year's Day 2007.

"In any environment when you have guys in our position who are out having fun, and we're going to the same environments as normal people and some convicts, however it may happen, it's going to be an issue," he said. "We have the financial backing to be able to go in there, have a good time, buy some bottles and stuff like that. Then there are going to be others that are going to look at it, going to see the women gravitate to that, so they're going to try to match you. Then you get into a pissing contest. And when you get into a pissing contest, people get upset.

"When you get into a pissing contest, people get upset and they get mad about the littlest things, petty stuff. Just jealousy. That can lead to it."

I recall there was speculation that this was part of the reason Marshall was so adamant about leaving here. If true it is pretty disturbing

Popps
09-23-2010, 10:09 AM
Johnson is probably right that jealous people can be dangerous people. But, he should shut his mouth right now.

Chris
09-23-2010, 10:12 AM
Why would this be an issue specific to Denver? Why not Detroit, Atlanta, etc.?

Mountain Bronco
09-23-2010, 10:13 AM
Yeah, right, there are people gunning for Broncos players even the little known ones on IR that would break into his house and kill him? Highly doubt it. This guy is obviously upset, which is understandable, but I doubt there is much truth to it.

Yes the D-will inscident was sad because of the way it went down, but it could have happened in any major city and it made no difference that it was in Denver.

Baba Booey
09-23-2010, 10:15 AM
I'm sure he's right about the jealousy but there's no way it's exclusive to Denver.

OBF1
09-23-2010, 10:15 AM
Johnson is probably right that jealous people can be dangerous people. But, he should shut his mouth right now.

Easy there.... Maybe the guy is grieving in his own way about the death of his personal friend.

Beantown Bronco
09-23-2010, 10:16 AM
Why would this be an issue specific to Denver? Why not Detroit, Atlanta, etc.?

I'm sure they do, but you just don't hear about it as much cause you're not on their boards and following them as closely.

If there is a difference, though, perhaps because Denver is a "smaller city" where there's less distance between the gangs and the celebs.....they're all going to the same clubs, restaurants, etc. A lot of other big cities have less mixing cause the celebs know the areas to avoid and have tons of choices of places the riff raff won't be seen. Add to that the fact that larger cities like Miami and LA have tons of other celebs other than just sports figures and it becomes perhaps less of a novelty to see them out and about.

Tombstone RJ
09-23-2010, 10:20 AM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/09/23/former-teammate-doubts-kenny-mckinley-committed-suicide/
Former teammate doubts Kenny McKinley committed suicide
Posted by Michael David Smith on September 23, 2010 10:11 AM ET
Broncos wide receiver Kenny McKinley was found dead this week in what police say was a suicide, but one of McKinley's former Broncos teammates, Giants defensive back D.J. Johnson, says he can't believe that's true.

"I don't think it happened the way they're saying it happened," Johnson said, per Tom Rock of Newsday. "I just don't. I don't think it was a suicide. That's my personal opinion on the situation. I think there's something fishy about the situation."

Johnson may not have all the facts available to him that the police have, and grief at the death of his friend may be clouding his view of the matter. But Johnson insists that McKinley had a lot to live for, including his love for his young son, and he suggested that there are criminals in Denver who target players on the Broncos.

"I know what the environment is like in Denver," he said. "I knew Kenny and I knew the type of people that we all hung around. You just never know. You can't trust nobody. He's not from there, I wasn't from there."

Johnson worries that McKinley may have been involved in a situation similar to the incident that led to Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams being killed in a drive-by shooting on New Year's Day 2007.

"In any environment when you have guys in our position who are out having fun, and we're going to the same environments as normal people and some convicts, however it may happen, it's going to be an issue," he said. "We have the financial backing to be able to go in there, have a good time, buy some bottles and stuff like that. Then there are going to be others that are going to look at it, going to see the women gravitate to that, so they're going to try to match you. Then you get into a pissing contest. And when you get into a pissing contest, people get upset.

"When you get into a pissing contest, people get upset and they get mad about the littlest things, petty stuff. Just jealousy. That can lead to it."

I recall there was speculation that this was part of the reason Marshall was so adamant about leaving here. If true it is pretty disturbing

This reflects on poor judgement by the players more than anything else. Denver has never been known as a hub for gangsta's, it's certainly no LA when it comes to this type of element.

It's funny how the Avs, Nugz and Rockies don't seem to have this problem. Sorry, I'm calling BS on this...

baja
09-23-2010, 10:23 AM
He's just trying to cope but he is hurting his friends family in the process. If there is a selfish person in this tragic story it's the player located 3000 miles away from the scene.

Chris
09-23-2010, 10:23 AM
I'm sure they do, but you just don't hear about it as much cause you're not on their boards and following them as closely.

If there is a difference, though, perhaps because Denver is a "smaller city" where there's less distance between the gangs and the celebs.....they're all going to the same clubs, restaurants, etc. A lot of other big cities have less mixing cause the celebs know the areas to avoid and have tons of choices of places the riff raff won't be seen. Add to that the fact that larger cities like Miami and LA have tons of other celebs other than just sports figures and it becomes perhaps less of a novelty to see them out and about.

Good points.

Irish Stout
09-23-2010, 10:38 AM
Also, McKinnley told people after his surgery he was going to kill himself. So unless those gangsta's be so cleva... this is total garbage. Another note about gang killings, typically they like to make them messy so that it sends a message, not looking like a suicide.

Bronco Boy
09-23-2010, 10:42 AM
Maybe it was mafia related.

Tombstone RJ
09-23-2010, 10:43 AM
I bet the CIA did it... was McKinley a double agent?

jhns
09-23-2010, 10:43 AM
It's funny how the Avs, Nugz and Rockies don't seem to have this problem. Sorry, I'm calling BS on this...

Didn't a basketball player get shot, or shot at, a couple years before Williams? I swear I read a ton about that after the Darrent murder. Maybe I am thinking of a story from another city. I can't remember who it was.

Los Broncos
09-23-2010, 10:44 AM
It was something from outer space that killed him.

enjolras
09-23-2010, 10:49 AM
Didn't a basketball player get shot, or shot at, a couple years before Williams? I swear I read a ton about that after the Darrent murder. Maybe I am thinking of a story from another city. I can't remember who it was.

Julius Hodge was shot on I-76 after leaving a club... It's really strange. Denver is statistically one of the safer cities in the country. Yet we have a lot of issues with our athletes...

Kaylore
09-23-2010, 10:50 AM
There is no spoon.

Bronco Boy
09-23-2010, 10:52 AM
Did Kenny have any kind of relationship with Darryl Kile? If so, perhaps it was the same killer.

epicSocialism4tw
09-23-2010, 10:52 AM
I can see why he thinks the story is fishy.

He's at home with some friends, he goes upstairst to shoot himself, and nobody knows about it until they go upstairs and pull sheets down off of him?

It either sounds like it was made up by 12-year olds or it really happened.

DenverBrit
09-23-2010, 11:05 AM
I can see why he thinks the story is fishy.

He's at home with some friends, he goes upstairst to shoot himself, and nobody knows about it until they go upstairs and pull sheets down off of him?

It either sounds like it was made up by 12-year olds or it really happened.

He was alone, Gaffney.

bowtown
09-23-2010, 11:09 AM
http://jasoncosper.com/wp-content/uploads/2008/06/drama_llama.jpg

rbackfactory80
09-23-2010, 11:14 AM
http://www.blinkx.com/watch-video/they-shot-me-in-denver/jjc5n2dcnUjX1xWypxYC5Q

baja
09-23-2010, 11:24 AM
I can see why he thinks the story is fishy.

He's at home with some friends, he goes upstairst to shoot himself, and nobody knows about it until they go upstairs and pull sheets down off of him?

It either sounds like it was made up by 12-year olds or it really happened.

You are very typical of the people I know that also like to shout their faith from the roof tops.

epicSocialism4tw
09-23-2010, 11:27 AM
You are very typical of the people I know that also like to shout their faith from the roof tops.

What?

baja
09-23-2010, 11:30 AM
What?


My comment is taking into consideration several years of reading you posts both on the main board and in the WPR.

This is just an observation.

Tombstone RJ
09-23-2010, 11:31 AM
My comment is taking into consideration several years of reading you posts both on the main board and in the WPR.

This is just an observation.

Translation: baja carries a lot of baggage around...

epicSocialism4tw
09-23-2010, 11:32 AM
My comment is taking into consideration several years of reading you posts both on the main board and in the WPR.

This is just an observation.

Weird.

epicSocialism4tw
09-23-2010, 11:38 AM
I'm sure they do, but you just don't hear about it as much cause you're not on their boards and following them as closely.

If there is a difference, though, perhaps because Denver is a "smaller city" where there's less distance between the gangs and the celebs.....they're all going to the same clubs, restaurants, etc. A lot of other big cities have less mixing cause the celebs know the areas to avoid and have tons of choices of places the riff raff won't be seen. Add to that the fact that larger cities like Miami and LA have tons of other celebs other than just sports figures and it becomes perhaps less of a novelty to see them out and about.

I think you're probably right.

I have friends who have spent time at the university downtown there, and they told me that it has gotten pretty bad. I dont imagine its any worse than South Dallas or god forbid...Oakland. Oakland is the scariest place I have been. Whenever the riot police become a standard part of the landscape, you know things are bad. In Oakland, riot police enforce the curfew.

baja
09-23-2010, 12:27 PM
Weird.

JMO

Only you know how closely you follow the example of your Savior.

gyldenlove
09-23-2010, 12:35 PM
Sounds like denial to me, it is not uncommon for people to have a hard time accepting the death of someone near them. This wouldn't be the first time someone close to a suicide victim has had difficulties accepting things.

Bigdawg26
09-23-2010, 12:36 PM
Not from Denver, but didn't Joey Porter get shot in the @zz a few years back in Denver?

Beantown Bronco
09-23-2010, 12:38 PM
Not from Denver, but didn't Joey Porter get shot in the @zz a few years back in Denver?

yup

Popps
09-23-2010, 12:39 PM
Easy there.... Maybe the guy is grieving in his own way about the death of his personal friend.

That's fine, grieve in private, no?


Just my opinion. But, you could be right.

broncosteven
09-23-2010, 12:43 PM
I'm sure they do, but you just don't hear about it as much cause you're not on their boards and following them as closely.

If there is a difference, though, perhaps because Denver is a "smaller city" where there's less distance between the gangs and the celebs.....they're all going to the same clubs, restaurants, etc. A lot of other big cities have less mixing cause the celebs know the areas to avoid and have tons of choices of places the riff raff won't be seen. Add to that the fact that larger cities like Miami and LA have tons of other celebs other than just sports figures and it becomes perhaps less of a novelty to see them out and about.

I would agree with this.

Didn't Joey Porter get shot in the ass in a Boulder night club?

I get the feeling that it is easier for Athletes and bangers to cross paths because the urban area is rather small and there may not be as many VIP type clubs to thin the gangs out so players and gangs hang around the same clubs.

I would also guess that there may still be some resentment from the gangs about the DWill thing going down and I could see why a Bronco player could be targeted but there would need to be way more to the story on this than McKinnley pissing off a gang banger then the banger retaliating by setting up a suicide scene in McKinnley's house with his family home.

I guess the guy was either sick mentally (which should have been caught on some sort of combine test) or he got in a bad situation that would have been a lot worse before it ever got better. Maybe some of both.

baja
09-23-2010, 12:46 PM
Translation: baja carries a lot of baggage around...

A memory is only baggage if it haunts you. I have so become an observer. Don't know it that is a function of age or if it is even good.


BTW Tombstone I have noticed you are somewhat of a hothead, do you get that way with out harboring judgments (baggage). ;D

Kaylore
09-23-2010, 12:53 PM
I tend to think this is his way of grieving as well. Suicides can invoke a lot of denial and anger because you don't want to blame the victim, or yourself.

crowebomber
09-23-2010, 01:05 PM
When I was a teenager my buddy committed suicide. There was a small mention that it could have been an accident, and all my buddies and me clung to this and defended this against anyone who said he committed suicide. We all really knew but it was just a defense mechanism because it is hard to believe someone could do this. I think that is where it is coming from.

DomCasual
09-23-2010, 01:09 PM
I've got to be honest. This idea seems, well, pretty dumb.

What motivation would someone have to make the kid look like he killed himself? Are gang bangers typically careful about their crimes? Wouldn't indiscriminately firing into his home be more of their MO?

Methinks DJ Johnson should have done his mourning privately.

Peoples Champ
09-23-2010, 01:44 PM
Why would this be an issue specific to Denver? Why not Detroit, Atlanta, etc.?


agreed, or any big city, im sure players are targets in every big city

bowtown
09-23-2010, 01:46 PM
agreed, or any big city, im sure players are targets in every big city

Meh, I'd say Denver is only about a 6.

Tombstone RJ
09-23-2010, 01:48 PM
A memory is only baggage if it haunts you. I have so become an observer. Don't know it that is a function of age or if it is even good.


BTW Tombstone I have noticed you are somewhat of a hothead, do you get that way with out harboring judgments (baggage). ;D

I'm a total ass, but I acknowlege that... :yayaya:

BigPlayShay
09-23-2010, 01:57 PM
Didn't Joey Porter get shot in the ass in a Boulder night club?



He was in Denver, near 5 points.

Gort
09-23-2010, 01:59 PM
agreed, or any big city, im sure players are targets in every big city

so, are we all pretending not to notice the elephant in the middle of the room?

you can't have an honest discussion about this problem with athletes getting into trouble with gangbangers unless you acknowledge the elephant staring you in the face.

bowtown
09-23-2010, 01:59 PM
To be fair though, I'm a little surprised that Joey Porter hasn't been shot more.

bowtown
09-23-2010, 02:00 PM
so, are we all pretending not to notice the elephant in the middle of the room?

you can't have an honest discussion about this problem with athletes getting into trouble with gangbangers unless you acknowledge the elephant staring you in the face.

Bob?

Dagmar
09-23-2010, 02:05 PM
I think you're probably right.

I have friends who have spent time at the university downtown there, and they told me that it has gotten pretty bad. I dont imagine its any worse than South Dallas or god forbid...Oakland. Oakland is the scariest place I have been. Whenever the riot police become a standard part of the landscape, you know things are bad. In Oakland, riot police enforce the curfew.

It's really not bad. I live here. I know folk who work there. I is fine. 1st hand experience here.

OBF1
09-23-2010, 02:11 PM
Man are you colorado residents in full denile. To say that Colorado and Denver in perticular does not have a gang problem is plain crazy.

This is from the CBI

Denver police Chief Gerry Whitman did not return repeated calls for comment Thursday. But earlier this week, he called Denver's gang problem "considerable."

The last gang census released publicly by Denver police, in 2003, counted 220 gangs with 14,000 members in the city alone.

Some of the most "Known" gangs in the Denver area

32 Gangster Crips
33 Gangster Crips
83 Gangster Crips
Black Gangster Disciples
Compton Crips
Crenshaw Mafia Gangster Bloods
Dog City Crips
Horton Boy Gangster Crips
Rolling 30s Crips
Sureņos 13
Viet Pride Gangster Crips
Westside Mafia Gangster Crips

And lets not forget about another gang related problem.... Drugs This is from the National Drug Intelligence Center 2004


Cocaine is a significant drug threat to Colorado. Powdered cocaine is readily available throughout the state, and crack cocaine is available in urban population centers. Cocaine is the drug most often associated with violent crime in the state, principally because cocaine distributors frequently resort to violence to protect their distribution operations and to collect debts. Mexican DTOs and criminal groups transport wholesale quantities of powdered cocaine into Colorado in private or rental vehicles and distribute the drug at the wholesale level. Hispanic and African American street gangs distribute powdered and crack cocaine; some gangs distribute powdered or crack cocaine at the wholesale and retail levels, while others distribute crack at the retail level only. Local independent dealers also distribute powdered and crack cocaine at the retail level. Retail distributors in Colorado typically convert powdered cocaine into crack on an as-needed basis and sell the drug at open-air markets or from crack houses.

Denver is not the 1 horse town that alot of you want to think it is, that was gone years ago. With the growth of the Metro and surrounding areas, Denver no longer is the "Mecca" that some would like to claim it is, It has the same peoplems that all larger metro areas in the country have.

Metro Denver exceeds 2.8 million people, and has a growth rate that has consistently outpaced the national rate every decade since the 1930s. The region grew steadily in the past 10 years, averaging 1.9 percent population growth each year from 1999 to 2009. And by 2030, Metro Denver's population is anticipated to increase to almost 3.8 million

OBF1
09-23-2010, 02:12 PM
To be fair though, I'm a little surprised that Joey Porter hasn't been shot more.

LMAO.... Now this is funny. LOL

Champagne Powder
09-23-2010, 02:21 PM
Also, McKinnley told people after his surgery he was going to kill himself. So unless those gangsta's be so cleva... this is total garbage. Another note about gang killings, typically they like to make them messy so that it sends a message, not looking like a suicide.

Total garbage?

It's in all likelihood a suicide, but you weren't there so how can you be so sure?

You haven't read all the interviews and seen all the evidence.

D.J. Johnson has more insight on the situation than you do.

BigPlayShay
09-23-2010, 02:52 PM
There is a common thread with those athletes in Denver that have come in violent contact with Gang Members / Criminals.
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Julius Hodge: After visiting a nightclub on April 8, 2006, Hodge was on Interstate 76 in North Denver around 2:00 a.m. when another vehicle pulled alongside his and fired several shots. Hodge was told he came within 5 minutes of bleeding to death. The case has yet to be solved.

Joey Porter: Joey Porter, who was one of six people shot Sunday morning outside a Denver sports bar in a volley of gunfire that left one person dead. Porter, 26, was shot in the left buttock at 1:47 a.m

Darrent Williams: On January 1, 2007, Williams was shot during a drive-by shooting, at approximately 2:10 A.M. Williams and two other passengers were shot when another vehicle pulled beside his rented Hummer H2 limousine in downtown Denver, Colorado.

Portis, Walls, Lelie, Jarious Jackson and Reuben Droughns: A holiday atmosphere. An altercation at a Denver nightclub. Several Broncos players present. A gun drawn.
This might be the sad tale of Darrent Williams' eventual demise - except this scenario occurred a little more than three years earlier.
The major difference: No one died the first time around, even if all the ingredients were there for bloodshed.
Taunts started it all at a Halloween celebration, met with angry responses from the players and their friends.
The initiator of the incident, possibly a gang member, was kicked out of the club, prompting him to hang around after the bar's doors closed - and he brought friends.
It ended with an all-out brawl in the parking lot of the now-defunct Baja Beach Club on Blake Street near Coors Field, with 20 to 30 people involved.
Two players ended up staring down a gun barrel. One player's cousin was pistol- whipped, requiring stitches at a local hospital.

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McKinley's situation is vastly different from any of the above. Dude had said he may as well kill himself. It appeared the writing was on the wall even though those close to him thought that writing was in pencil.

DenverBrit
09-23-2010, 04:12 PM
I lived in Lodo for years and never saw an incident in any of the clubs or bars.

The gang activity there must be a more recent phenomenon.

HILife
09-23-2010, 04:28 PM
Why would this be an issue specific to Denver? Why not Detroit, Atlanta, etc.?

Or Malibu

http://thecia.com.au/reviews/m/images/malibu-s-most-wanted-1.jpg

Haters gonna hate

skunk
09-23-2010, 04:40 PM
this is what happens when the military idustrial complex gains too much influence. sounds like a cover story, like a black op. has anyone checked the travel itinerary of general Y?

broncosteven
09-23-2010, 05:42 PM
There is a common thread with those athletes in Denver that have come in violent contact with Gang Members / Criminals.
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Julius Hodge: After visiting a nightclub on April 8, 2006, Hodge was on Interstate 76 in North Denver around 2:00 a.m. when another vehicle pulled alongside his and fired several shots. Hodge was told he came within 5 minutes of bleeding to death. The case has yet to be solved.

Joey Porter: Joey Porter, who was one of six people shot Sunday morning outside a Denver sports bar in a volley of gunfire that left one person dead. Porter, 26, was shot in the left buttock at 1:47 a.m

Darrent Williams: On January 1, 2007, Williams was shot during a drive-by shooting, at approximately 2:10 A.M. Williams and two other passengers were shot when another vehicle pulled beside his rented Hummer H2 limousine in downtown Denver, Colorado.

Portis, Walls, Lelie, Jarious Jackson and Reuben Droughns: A holiday atmosphere. An altercation at a Denver nightclub. Several Broncos players present. A gun drawn.
This might be the sad tale of Darrent Williams' eventual demise - except this scenario occurred a little more than three years earlier.
The major difference: No one died the first time around, even if all the ingredients were there for bloodshed.
Taunts started it all at a Halloween celebration, met with angry responses from the players and their friends.
The initiator of the incident, possibly a gang member, was kicked out of the club, prompting him to hang around after the bar's doors closed - and he brought friends.
It ended with an all-out brawl in the parking lot of the now-defunct Baja Beach Club on Blake Street near Coors Field, with 20 to 30 people involved.
Two players ended up staring down a gun barrel. One player's cousin was pistol- whipped, requiring stitches at a local hospital.

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McKinley's situation is vastly different from any of the above. Dude had said he may as well kill himself. It appeared the writing was on the wall even though those close to him thought that writing was in pencil.

The common thread is that nothing good happens after midnight. If you haven't found anyone to bang by then go home.