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mkporter
09-21-2010, 09:24 AM
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2010/week-2-quick-reads

Footballoutsiders.com had Orton as their most valuable QB this week. Bay-bay was the #3 WR.

Kyle Orton
Orton's performance was overshadowed by the nature of the other afternoon games, but all he did on Sunday was consistently move his team down the field for points, drive after drive. He was 8-of-9 on first down for 56 yards, helping his team get into manageable third downs; on average, he only had 6.3 yards to go (in 2009, a dropback on third down came with an average of 7.7 yards to go). Then, on those third downs, he was a machine. Orton dropped back on 15 third downs and picked up a first down or a touchdown on 12 of them. While Orton often found himself forcing a throw into Brandon Marshall on third downs last year, he targeted six different receivers on those 15 passes. And this all comes while left tackle Ryan Clady is gimpy and right tackle Ryan Harris has been out with an injury.

Demaryius Thomas
As Vince noted in Audibles: Demaryius Thomas had at least four inches and 30 pounds on each of Seattle's starting corners, and he caught eight of nine passes for 97 yards and a touchdown. Guess what you have to look forward to in three years, Bears fans!

Tombstone RJ
09-21-2010, 09:28 AM
http://www.footballoutsiders.com/quick-reads/2010/week-2-quick-reads

Footballoutsiders.com had Orton as their most valuable QB this week. Bay-bay was the #3 WR.

Kyle Orton
Orton's performance was overshadowed by the nature of the other afternoon games, but all he did on Sunday was consistently move his team down the field for points, drive after drive. He was 8-of-9 on first down for 56 yards, helping his team get into manageable third downs; on average, he only had 6.3 yards to go (in 2009, a dropback on third down came with an average of 7.7 yards to go). Then, on those third downs, he was a machine. Orton dropped back on 15 third downs and picked up a first down or a touchdown on 12 of them. While Orton often found himself forcing a throw into Brandon Marshall on third downs last year, he targeted six different receivers on those 15 passes. And this all comes while left tackle Ryan Clady is gimpy and right tackle Ryan Harris has been out with an injury.

Demaryius Thomas
As Vince noted in Audibles: Demaryius Thomas had at least four inches and 30 pounds on each of Seattle's starting corners, and he caught eight of nine passes for 97 yards and a touchdown. Guess what you have to look forward to in three years, Bears fans!

I don't understand the last line on D. Thomas. Is the writer suggesting the Broncos trade Thomas at the end of his rookie contract?

cousinal11
09-21-2010, 09:30 AM
I don't understand the last line on D. Thomas. Is the writer suggesting the Broncos trade Thomas at the end of his rookie contract?

That's the way I interpret it.

Borks147
09-21-2010, 09:31 AM
I don't understand the last line on D. Thomas. Is the writer suggesting the Broncos trade Thomas at the end of his rookie contract?

He's suggesting we trade away all of our great players. ha ha ha he made a funny :|

Beantown Bronco
09-21-2010, 09:33 AM
Weird. At first I thought it was because we perhaps were scheduled to play them in 3 years, but that's not it cause we play them next year.....

Tombstone RJ
09-21-2010, 09:34 AM
He's suggesting we trade away all of our great players. ha ha ha he made a funny :|

Very ironic. The writer acknowledges how good Orton is (traded away by Chicago) and then ignores his own analysis of Orton/Broncos by suggesting the Broncos don't know how to acquire and keep talent.

mkporter
09-21-2010, 09:35 AM
I don't understand the last line on D. Thomas. Is the writer suggesting the Broncos trade Thomas at the end of his rookie contract?

I didn't get it either. A little clumsy w/ his humor

ColoradoDarin
09-21-2010, 09:57 AM
Last line was childish. I mean it's not like we extended Doom, Kuper, or Orton, right? We're not working on an extension with Champ, right?

doof
09-21-2010, 10:12 AM
Maybe he meant that we used the bear's pick to select bay-bay and the bears have nothing to look forward to from their WRs

jhns
09-21-2010, 10:38 AM
I don't get what is so off with the joke. McDaniels has given away 2 of 3 young pro bowlers. I can't think of another coach that has ever given away multiple pro bowlers that were 25 or younger. So again, I don't see what is so off about the joke.

Beantown Bronco
09-21-2010, 10:40 AM
I don't get what is so off with the joke. McDaniels has given away 2 of 3 young pro bowlers. I can't think of another coach that has ever given away multiple pro bowlers that were 25 or younger. So again, I don't see what is so off about the joke.

For one.....Thomas only had one good game and is not a probowler.

BlaK-Argentina
09-21-2010, 10:41 AM
For one.....Thomas only had one good game and is not a probowler.

Don't quote that guy, thanks. :)

jhns
09-21-2010, 10:42 AM
For one.....Thomas only had one good game and is not a probowler.

Blasphemy. He os HOF this week. Don't take that from him.

tsiguy96
09-21-2010, 10:44 AM
did we get thomas with one of the picks from the cutler trade, or with our own pick? maybe he did mean that we took thomas with one of those, and tehy still have cutler?

Br0nc0Buster
09-21-2010, 10:49 AM
did we get thomas with one of the picks from the cutler trade, or with our own pick? maybe he did mean that we took thomas with one of those, and tehy still have cutler?

it was the Bears pick we used on Bay Bay
thanks Bears! :wave:

Br0nc0Buster
09-21-2010, 10:50 AM
Last line was childish. I mean it's not like we extended Doom, Kuper, or Orton, right? We're not working on an extension with Champ, right?

no, we traded all of them of course

baja
09-21-2010, 10:53 AM
Good the national media is two steps behind Josh. Cutler was not a fit for the new Broncos and Bay Bay is, hand picked is.

We basically traded Marshall for Thomas - I like it.

Man-Goblin
09-21-2010, 10:54 AM
Demaryius Thomas is exactly the type of talent and character this regime would never trade away. Did anyone notice how humble and "been there before" he acted all Sunday, even though he hadn't been there before? Immature a-holes with 4 years in the league like Cutler and Marshall could sure learn a lot from this kid.

What an asinine comment.

epicSocialism4tw
09-21-2010, 10:54 AM
Good stuff.

If these guys can just keep getting wins, the back half of the season should be where the young guys start coming to the fore. Especially the youngsters on the offensive line, Robert Ayers, D.T., and the young DB's.

If they can just get through the first half of the season at about .500, there could be a playoff push.

ColoradoDarin
09-21-2010, 10:55 AM
Good the national media is two steps behind Josh. Cutler was not a fit for the new Broncos and Bay Bay is, hand picked is.

We basically traded Marshall for Thomas - I like it.

And we still have a 2nd round pick next year! :strong:

Josh is playing 3-level chess while the MSM is smelling their own poo.

HAT
09-21-2010, 10:59 AM
no, we traded all of them of course

McD doesn't trade people.....He gives away pro bowlers. Hilarious!

jhns
09-21-2010, 11:03 AM
McD doesn't trade people.....He gives away pro bowlers. Hilarious!

Not only pro bowlers but the best QB in the NFL. All so we could start a QB that makes everyone jump for joy when he manages a single good game. What a joke this McDaniels guy is.

Irish Stout
09-21-2010, 11:24 AM
jhns - when did McDaniels give away the best QB in all of the NFL? Last time I checked the consensus from those in the know and those out of it and those even as delusional as you tend to agree that Peyton Manning is still the best of the best for a QB in the current NFL. When was Peyton a Bronco?

HAT
09-21-2010, 11:38 AM
jhns - when did McDaniels give away the best QB in all of the NFL? Last time I checked the consensus from those in the know and those out of it and those even as delusional as you tend to agree that Peyton Manning is still the best of the best for a QB in the current NFL. When was Peyton a Bronco?

He's just trolling and referring to the fact that JC has the highest QBR at the moment. In which case, Denver traded the best QB in the league for the 6th best + two 1st's & a 3rd.

Not to mention Vick is the '4th best QB', Josh Freeman is top 10 and Sanchito is better than Brady. Hilarious!

Steve Sewell
09-21-2010, 11:40 AM
I don't understand the last line on D. Thomas. Is the writer suggesting the Broncos trade Thomas at the end of his rookie contract?

Haha I thought that was pretty clever.

ghwk
09-21-2010, 11:47 AM
Maybe the writer is just a douche?

SonOfLe-loLang
09-21-2010, 11:47 AM
Not only pro bowlers but the best QB in the NFL. All so we could start a QB that makes everyone jump for joy when he manages a single good game. What a joke this McDaniels guy is.

Jay Cutler is the best QB in the NFL? Wow. Plus, im not sure if you stopped to watch the broncos much this year (in between your J sessions over bears games), but Orton's been playin pretty well

Mr.Meanie
09-21-2010, 11:49 AM
He's just trolling and referring to the fact that JC has the highest QBR at the moment. In which case, Denver traded the best QB in the league for the 6th best + two 1st's & a 3rd.

Not to mention Vick is the '4th best QB', Josh Freeman is top 10 and Sanchito is better than Brady. Hilarious!

I wonder if NE is smart enough to realize they can most likely steal Vick for Brady, 2 firsts and a 3rd.

Irish Stout
09-21-2010, 12:01 PM
He's just trolling and referring to the fact that JC has the highest QBR at the moment. In which case, Denver traded the best QB in the league for the 6th best + two 1st's & a 3rd.

Not to mention Vick is the '4th best QB', Josh Freeman is top 10 and Sanchito is better than Brady. Hilarious!

Ahhhh I see! So in one sentence he bashes KO for having one good game while touting his boyfriend for pretty much the exact same thing!?!? Holy crap, I am the idiot here. I keep forgetting why I don't respond to this guy... stupid Irish!

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
09-21-2010, 12:13 PM
Not only pro bowlers but the best QB in the NFL. All so we could start a QB that makes everyone jump for joy when he manages a single good game. What a joke this McDaniels guy is.

no offense but cutler isnt the best qb in the nfl he still has a long ways to go til he gets even near Brett Favres record for the same time period ie his 3rd year, also cmon cut mcdaniels a lil slack at least for 3 more years if he turns into another wade phillips then you have grounds for bitchin til then your criticism for McDaniels is baseless . you need to be patient also just sayin

jhns
09-21-2010, 12:22 PM
Ahhhh I see! So in one sentence he bashes KO for having one good game while touting his boyfriend for pretty much the exact same thing!?!? Holy crap, I am the idiot here. I keep forgetting why I don't respond to this guy... stupid Irish!

Orton is older than Cutler and getting outplayed by Cutler. Orton has had one good game, while Cutler has a streak of 100+ QB ratings going. When you actually watch the QBs play this year, Cutler looks the best of all of them. Manning and Cutler are playing much better than the rest of the league.

Cutler is now a veteran and is now showing that he is maturing into an elite QB. Orton, not so much. He is still the guy that surprises even his biggest supporters every time he has a good game. People that know what they are talking about have just been waiting for Cutler to develope into what he is now.

Sorry, I just speak the truth. I know none of you care that McDaniels made it that much harder on this franchise by giving away a top young QB that would have been here for 12-15 more years. Again, I am just speaking the truth.

jhns
09-21-2010, 12:25 PM
no offense but cutler isnt the best qb in the nfl he still has a long ways to go til he gets even near Brett Favres record for the same time period ie his 3rd year, also cmon cut mcdaniels a lil slack at least for 3 more years if he turns into another wade phillips then you have grounds for b****in til then your criticism for McDaniels is baseless . you need to be patient also just sayin

I think it is up to McDaniels to prove himself. I don't root for a guy to hurt this franchise by pulling off a ton of moves that no winning franchise has ever done. He cares about having friends in the locker room more than he cares about winning, period. That is not acceptable to me because I realize that the Broncos are much bigger than McDaniels, not the other way around.

Beantown Bronco
09-21-2010, 12:29 PM
Great....now you're making grand proclamations about Cutler after playing ok against the #32 and #20 pass defenses from last year.

Mr.Meanie
09-21-2010, 12:34 PM
When you actually watch the QBs play this year, Cutler looks the best of all of them. Manning and Cutler are playing much better than the rest of the league.

Tell the truth, are you his agent?

jhns
09-21-2010, 12:36 PM
Great....now you're making grand proclamations about Cutler after playing ok against the #32 and #20 pass defenses from last year.

Is this last year? Does that mean we are an 8-8 team with no hope? Is that what you are saying?

You don't have to believe me. You just have to sit back and watch. Everything I say will be proven with time.

Beantown Bronco
09-21-2010, 12:39 PM
Their rankings so far this year are 30 and 18, so yes....the first few games of the year are mirroring exactly what they did last year.

HAT
09-21-2010, 12:47 PM
Look guys....jhiz doesn't care about Orton's abilities, Cutler's good start, McD's decisions as coach or the fact that Denver is playing Indy next week. He cares about one thing:

Turning this thread into a 9 page cluster-****. His tried and true way of accomplishing that is to start yapping about Cutler in a thread that has the word Orton in the thread title.

Fall for it if you must...I'll just lolz at what a d!ck he is as I shut the door behind me on this thread. :wave:

mkporter
09-21-2010, 12:52 PM
Can we all agree to stop quoting jhns please? Argue with him all day if you like, but he has to be one of the most ignored members here.

Paladin
09-21-2010, 12:58 PM
Can we all agree to stop quoting jhns please? Argue with him all day if you like, but he has to be one of the most ignored members here.

I agree. That guy is an absolute dork. His "pronouncements" are just crap coming out his arse.


jhns This user is on your Ignore List.

Inkana7
09-21-2010, 01:04 PM
Jhns, I love how you use the "Orton is older than Cutler!!" argument. Orton is 6 months older than Jay Cutler.

Irish Stout
09-21-2010, 01:06 PM
Can we all agree to stop quoting jhns please? Argue with him all day if you like, but he has to be one of the most ignored members here.

I don't.

JHNS - Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton both have an age of 27 years, granted Kyle was born in 82 and Cutler 83, but you have a real significant point there.

Also, you state that the Broncos traded away the best QB in the NFL. You have yet to actually say that anyone other than Manning is the best QB in the NFL.

You really enjoy be contrary dontcha?

jhns
09-21-2010, 01:07 PM
I agree. That guy is an absolute dork. His "pronouncements" are just crap coming out his arse.


jhns This user is on your Ignore List.

LOL

I'm a dork as you whine about someone on the internet and need a tool to ignore a person on the internet. Funny stuff.

You guys whine about me because I speak the truth and the truth hurts. It would be pretty hard supporting McDaniels without that blanket pulled over your eyes. I'm sorry that I try to remove the blanket.

For those that really need a feature on the board to ignore someone, firefox fixes that issue and you don't have to whine that people quote me all the time. Really, it is just time to grow up and put on your big boy pants. If you want to ignore someone, don't read the posts that are clearly labeled with their username....

HILife
09-21-2010, 01:09 PM
it was the Bears pick we used on Bay Bay
thanks Bears! :wave:

No, actually it wasn't. We traded back in the first round to get Bay Bay

jhns
09-21-2010, 01:09 PM
Jhns, I love how you use the "Orton is older than Cutler!!" argument. Orton is 6 months older than Jay Cutler.

Sorry but Orton has been in the league longer and has more experience. That isn't saying much other than Orton should be further along than Cutler in his developement.

Eldorado
09-21-2010, 01:14 PM
Full retard.

HILife
09-21-2010, 01:15 PM
Tell the truth, are you his agent?

No, he's just knob slobbin him.

Jhns: Do you like it when I go up and down or swirls.

Culter: hmmm, do them both.

Jhns: WILL DO!!!!

jhns
09-21-2010, 01:18 PM
I don't.

JHNS - Jay Cutler and Kyle Orton both have an age of 27 years, granted Kyle was born in 82 and Cutler 83, but you have a real significant point there.

Also, you state that the Broncos traded away the best QB in the NFL. You have yet to actually say that anyone other than Manning is the best QB in the NFL.

You really enjoy be contrary dontcha?

Cutler is currently the best QB in the NFL. That is based on current play, not careers. No one would argue that there are many QBs in the league with much better careers than Cutler. Cutler hasn't been around very long.

Br0nc0Buster
09-21-2010, 01:18 PM
No, actually it wasn't. We traded back in the first round to get Bay Bay

no we used the Bears 11th overall pick to move back to 14, then to 22 to take Thomas

we traded back in the 1st for Tebow

HILife
09-21-2010, 01:19 PM
no we used the Bears 11th overall pick to move back to 14, then to 22 to take Thomas

we traded back in the 1st for Tebow

When I said traded back I meant traded back from 11 to later in round one.

Br0nc0Buster
09-21-2010, 01:20 PM
When I said traded back I meant traded back from 11 to later in round one.

yeah, but still needed the Bears pick to do it, the Bears pick essentially turned into Thomas, Decker, and part of Tebow

baja
09-21-2010, 01:27 PM
Can we all agree to stop quoting jhns please? Argue with him all day if you like, but he has to be one of the most ignored members here.

It's just as easy to scroll past him. With a Mac it's two fingers on the track pad and zoom. It's amazing how quickly you can get through a page he is posting in. Plus with scrolling you get to read him once and a while for a chuckle.

Irish Stout
09-21-2010, 01:28 PM
JHNS - Cutler has less passing yards and touchdowns than Manning and more interceptions.

He also has a lower completion percentage than Drew Brees, David Garrard and.... oh hello Peyton Manning.

Tony Romo is averaging more yards per game than him.... oh look so is Mr. Manning.

Right now you have to pick a QB to get you to the superbowl, you go ahead and take your bff, but the rest of the world will take Manning.

Since you've previously argued that Ws and Ls weren't relevant to determining the ability of your QB, then that shouldn't come into this argument, but knowing you I fully expect you to come back with an "I never said that" statement.

Peyton Manning is better than Jay Cutler right now, last year, next year, in the playoffs in the super bowl and in tv commercials. Get over it.

Eldorado
09-21-2010, 01:29 PM
hmmm...

Irish Stout
09-21-2010, 01:31 PM
I didn't know Cutler also lost a fumble! That clearly makes him better than no lost balls Manning.

jhns
09-21-2010, 01:33 PM
Check the QB ratings. Watch them play. Cutler > Manning this year. Manning and Cutler >>>>> every other QB this year.

Again, just speaking the truth.

Eldorado
09-21-2010, 01:35 PM
Truth and opinion are not necessarily the same thing.

jhns
09-21-2010, 01:42 PM
Since you've previously argued that Ws and Ls weren't relevant to determining the ability of your QB, then that shouldn't come into this argument.

You are correct. I have never argued that this is a one man sport. That kind of stupidity is what I argue against...

Dagmar
09-21-2010, 01:46 PM
hmmm...

He'll claim he can't read that from his rotary phone.

jhns
09-21-2010, 01:49 PM
He'll claim he can't read that from his rotary phone.

Or I will just ignore it because I can't read it on my rotary phone.

Dagmar
09-21-2010, 01:55 PM
Lets not let jhns ruin this thread guys, let's talk about the fact that if he stays healthy Kyle Orton is not only going to have a career year but will be in the top 5 Qbs rankings come the end of the season.

bronclvr
09-21-2010, 02:05 PM
I thought this Thread was about Orton & Thomas-who gives a damn about Cutler?

Really though, I watched the Game again last night-even when Orton appeared to be a little "off", he was mighty good-his running, though, kinda reminds me of Craig Morton-

It appears that Thomas will probably be a Stud-I like his Ball skills, and obviously his speed-how can we not have a bromance? Does everyone think he's going to have the same production as Marshall in terms of YAC?

epicSocialism4tw
09-21-2010, 02:07 PM
Full retard.

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mkporter
09-21-2010, 02:11 PM
I thought this Thread was about Orton & Thomas-who gives a damn about Cutler?

Really though, I watched the Game again last night-even when Orton appeared to be a little "off", he was mighty good-his running, though, kinda reminds me of Craig Morton-

It appears that Thomas will probably be a Stud-I like his Ball skills, and obviously his speed-how can we not have a bromance? Does everyone think he's going to have the same production as Marshall in terms of YAC?

Thomas may be destined for some impressive YAC. Even though I've heard it a few times, I was shocked to see how fast he was. A guy that big and fast is frightening. Marshall is a monster, and has some moves, but he doesn't have the speed or acceleration of Thomas. I'm excited to see more of him.

mkporter
09-21-2010, 02:16 PM
It's just as easy to scroll past him. With a Mac it's two fingers on the track pad and zoom. It's amazing how quickly you can get through a page he is posting in. Plus with scrolling you get to read him once and a while for a chuckle.

I hear what you are saying, but I'd just rather have everyone else do it for me. Because, in the end, shouldn't it be all about me? ;D

baja
09-21-2010, 02:32 PM
I hear what you are saying, but I'd just rather have everyone else do it for me. Because, in the end, shouldn't it be all about me? ;D

Why of course... ;D

Hamrob
09-21-2010, 05:04 PM
Both Orton and Thomas played "Lights-out" against the Hawks at home. Let's see how they produce over the next 3-4 weeks before we get too carried away.

I think Orton does really well playing with the lead. Again, it's amazing what good things happen when you win the TO battle and convert a high percentage of 3rd downs.

epicSocialism4tw
09-21-2010, 05:06 PM
Both Orton and Thomas played "Lights-out" against the Hawks at home. Let's see how they produce over the next 3-4 weeks before we get too carried away.

I think Orton does really well playing with the lead. Again, it's amazing what good things happen when you win the TO battle and convert a high percentage of 3rd downs.

Yeah...you kick the other team's butt! ;D

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
09-21-2010, 05:29 PM
cutlet wanted to be traded , i was wrong about McDaniels wrong about shanny wrong about wade see where im going . i always wrong but i man up and admit it
GO BRONCOS BEAT THE OCCULTS and rip kenny :( may you find peace in the afterlife that you couldn't find here in the world

DivineLegion
09-21-2010, 05:52 PM
One of these players record of 26 wins and 29 losses, the other has a record of 30 wins and 20 loses. Both have played for the Denver Broncos and the Chicago Bears in their carriers. Both players are 27 years old. One has a double chin, the other...A sick neck beard.

HAT
10-05-2010, 12:44 AM
Not only pro bowlers but the best QB in the NFL. All so we could start a QB that makes everyone jump for joy when he manages a single good game. What a joke this McDaniels guy is.

???