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Br0nc0Buster
09-20-2010, 05:50 PM
http://www.kdvr.com/news/kdvr-broncos-mckinley-death-txt,0,3972716.story

sayings its suicide, that is just awful

Rabb
09-20-2010, 05:51 PM
RIP man, I hate hearing this

Smilin Assassin
09-20-2010, 05:52 PM
Damn. My thoughts to the family.

Goobzilla
09-20-2010, 05:52 PM
That's just terrible :-(

bowtown
09-20-2010, 05:53 PM
Jesus. What a tragedy.

gyldenlove
09-20-2010, 05:53 PM
That is sad.

3 in 4 years, that is not right.

SoCalBronco
09-20-2010, 05:53 PM
WTF...this is horrible. :(

Garcia Bronco
09-20-2010, 05:54 PM
Peace be with you.

OABB
09-20-2010, 05:55 PM
in before someone says something terrible.


this is just sad. I wonder why he felt the need to end it all. Poor guy.

Aftermath
09-20-2010, 05:57 PM
oh my goodness, rip kenny, prayers go out to his family

McDman
09-20-2010, 05:58 PM
Oh my God, that's unbelievable.

Dagmar
09-20-2010, 05:59 PM
Bloody hell that's awful.

SouthStndJunkie
09-20-2010, 05:59 PM
That really sucks....the family that is left behind will always wonder why it happened and what they could have done differently.

Hulamau
09-20-2010, 05:59 PM
Oh man, what a downer... really sad to hear. maybe it was too much seeing his dream of becoming a star WR in the league start to slide with the multiple knee injuries?? Or maybe its a lot more complicated than just that?

A real tragedy none the less and thoughts go out to his family and the Bronco players and coaches. Not going to help matters in preparing for Indy thats for sure. Things like this eclipse football. Damn shame. RIP Kenny ...

WolfpackGuy
09-20-2010, 06:00 PM
Jeez

Conklin
09-20-2010, 06:01 PM
RIP...shame to see anyone go at such a young age

WABronco
09-20-2010, 06:02 PM
Ugh.

Requiem
09-20-2010, 06:03 PM
Thoughts and prayers for Kenny, his family and the entire Broncos organization, including the fans.

A tragedy indeed. Rest in peace, Kenny. Once a Bronco, always a Bronco.

Meck77
09-20-2010, 06:03 PM
Wow...How sad.

Popps
09-20-2010, 06:05 PM
****. That's horrible. God bless his family.

montrose
09-20-2010, 06:06 PM
Crazy, just two hours ago Lindsay Jones tweeted this:

PostBroncos He's on injured reserve. Have't seen him around at all. RT @LloydAcevedo: Hey Lindsay, have u heard any news on Kenny McKinley?

RIP Kenny, hopefully you and D-Will can have some awesome 1-on-1 battles in heaven.

footstepsfrom#27
09-20-2010, 06:06 PM
Wow...that is just horrible news. Is there anything else substantive or is it just speculation at this point I wonder. That kid seemed like he had talent too...was dissapointed to see him land on IR. Peace to his family...

cutthemdown
09-20-2010, 06:07 PM
Wow what a bummer.

baja
09-20-2010, 06:08 PM
23 years old.

Such a permanent solution to a temporary problem.

so sad.

Rabb
09-20-2010, 06:12 PM
It had to be tough for him to see Thomas come in and light it up yesterday.

But, damn...

He was on IR but come on man

BroncoDoug
09-20-2010, 06:12 PM
wow... disbelief very very sad.

Blueflame
09-20-2010, 06:12 PM
Very shocking and sad news. Prayers for his family, friends, and teammates....

Br0nc0Buster
09-20-2010, 06:12 PM
It had to be tough for him to see Thomas come in and light it up yesterday.

But, damn...

wait....are you serious?

Punisher
09-20-2010, 06:12 PM
Rip

Mr.Meanie
09-20-2010, 06:12 PM
It had to be tough for him to see Thomas come in and light it up yesterday.

But, damn...

too soon

Dedhed
09-20-2010, 06:13 PM
Wow. That's awful.

Thoughts to the family.

Hercules Rockefeller
09-20-2010, 06:13 PM
Wow. Terrible. RIP.

bronco0608
09-20-2010, 06:14 PM
Just a week ago he was given a standing ovation at a Gamecock homecoming game.

McKinley returns: Former USC wide receiver Kenny McKinley, the school's all-time receiving yards leader, was in attendance and was introduced to the crowd during a break in the second quarter to a loud ovation. McKinley, currently a member of the Denver Broncos, is out for the season after suffering a knee injury during training camp.

Rabb
09-20-2010, 06:15 PM
wait....are you serious?

Seriously an asshole yes

go_broncos
09-20-2010, 06:15 PM
It had to be tough for him to see Thomas come in and light it up yesterday.

But, damn...

WTF are you talking

theAPAOps5
09-20-2010, 06:16 PM
RIP McKinley hope you can find the peace on the other side that you couldn't here. So sad.

bronco0608
09-20-2010, 06:16 PM
Watch these two videos about Kenny Mckinley and you know he was a great dude and great teammate. There is a reason Mcdaniels drafted him. All around great teammate. He would cook for his teammates all the time, grill out, whatever.

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bronco0608
09-20-2010, 06:17 PM
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chex
09-20-2010, 06:17 PM
Damn. What a horrible, horrible story. Hopefully he is at peace.

gtown
09-20-2010, 06:17 PM
Say it ain't so. Too sad for words.

WolfpackGuy
09-20-2010, 06:18 PM
I took it down.

RIP Kenny.

OCBronco
09-20-2010, 06:19 PM
I was shocked to hear about this. Just horrible. My thoughts go out to his friends and family.

Houshyamama
09-20-2010, 06:20 PM
That's horrible. You never expect things like this... my thoughts are with his family.

baja
09-20-2010, 06:21 PM
WTF are you talking

Actually that could have been an issue, I don't think the poster meant to make light of the terrible situation.

so sad when someone this young does something this permanent. He would have had a different view in a few months at that age.

RhymesayersDU
09-20-2010, 06:22 PM
Pretty sad stuff. RIP.

HILife
09-20-2010, 06:23 PM
wow! This is really sad. RIP.

phillybroncosnut
09-20-2010, 06:25 PM
Unreal, I'm totally speechless. I couldnt even watch that entire video. Makes NO sense!!

Pseudofool
09-20-2010, 06:26 PM
Very sad. My thoughts go to those he left behind.

HooptyHoops
09-20-2010, 06:26 PM
Actually that could have been an issue, I don't think the poster meant to make light of the terrible situation.

so sad when someone this young does something this permanent. He would have had a different view in a few months at that age.

I agree...I was just at a conference this weekend and a motivational speaker asked us to remember an bad event over 5 years ago that seemed to consume our lives at that time....then he asked if it was effecting us today. Powerful statement....this news is truely very, very sad....

MABroncoFan
09-20-2010, 06:27 PM
So sad. I was actually just thinking about him today as being part of a young and deep WR group in the future. RIP.

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 06:28 PM
Broncos have the worst luck with off the field issues, never seems to end

BigPlayShay
09-20-2010, 06:30 PM
Just tragic. Thoughts with his family and teammates.

http://twitter.com/PostBroncos/status/25076653020

McKinley attended the USC-Georgia game in Athens on Saturday. I have been told he returned to Denver with his young son on Sunday.

TDmvp
09-20-2010, 06:30 PM
Very sad... Thoughts to the family ...

and Socal should ban Wolf just for his stupidity.

Rabb
09-20-2010, 06:30 PM
Broncos have the worst luck with off the field issues, never seems to end

Stay classy you ****ing douchebag

OABB
09-20-2010, 06:31 PM
How did he do it?

baja
09-20-2010, 06:31 PM
Broncos have the worst luck with off the field issues, never seems to end

Now this didn't need to be said.

montrose
09-20-2010, 06:31 PM
At last year's camp during Kenny's rookie season, he caught a TD did a little shimmy dance. Afterwards when he was signing autographs, BroncoBuff joked with him about it - looking back on it now - that will be a really touching memory to me.

Rock Chalk
09-20-2010, 06:32 PM
How did he do it?

Does it really matter?

End result is the same, another tragic loss.

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 06:32 PM
Stay classy you ****ing douchebag

huh?

what is classless about pointing out a fact?

Do you need a dictionary, or a lesson in context, junior?

last but not least, the irony is amazing

montrose
09-20-2010, 06:32 PM
"Everyone with the Broncos is shocked and saddened by the loss of Kenny McKinley," President and CEO Pat Bowlen said. "He was part of the Broncos family and will be greatly missed by our organization. My most heartfelt condolences go out to Kenny's family and friends."

http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Kenny-McKinley-1987-2010/5b20aaa0-9cc2-4e2c-9707-038f9b92f746

Rabb
09-20-2010, 06:36 PM
huh?

what is classless about pointing out a fact?

Do you need a dictionary, or a lesson in context, junior?

last but not least, the irony is amazing

There's a time and a place and this was neither

Welcome to the ignore list, I can't believe you're this stupid

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 06:37 PM
Now this didn't need to be said.

wow, bunch of bleeding hearts.

Terrible things happen all day every day to better people than you and I, no need to pretend you care any more or less just because he wears a jersey you root for.

the Broncos have had horrendous luck with players and their off the field issues, especially those ending terminally. It's pretty unreal, really.

Pointing this out does not make any great statement, but the feigned indignation is kinda funny I must say

BroncoDoug
09-20-2010, 06:38 PM
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs209.snc4/38767_512152169106_331500738_411241_7608140_n.jpg

A pic of McKinley I took at this years training camp.

Kaylore
09-20-2010, 06:38 PM
I can't believe this. This is terrible. I don't understand why.

Man-Goblin
09-20-2010, 06:38 PM
Very sad news. RIP Kenny McKinley.

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 06:39 PM
There's a time and a place and this was neither

Welcome to the ignore list, I can't believe you're this stupid

Cry me a river. It's a shame to be sure, and I wouldn't wish it on anybody, but lets not pretend like you are lighting candles over your bag of fritos.

baja
09-20-2010, 06:40 PM
wow, bunch of bleeding hearts.

Terrible things happen all day every day to better people than you and I, no need to pretend you care any more or less just because he wears a jersey you root for.

the Broncos have had horrendous luck with players and their off the field issues, especially those ending terminally. It's pretty unreal, really.

Pointing this out does not make any great statement, but the feigned indignation is kinda funny I must say

There is a time and a place for everything.

Too bad you don't see that.

Kaylore
09-20-2010, 06:40 PM
Cry me a river. It's a shame to be sure, and I wouldn't wish it on anybody, but lets not pretend like you are lighting candles over your bag of fritos.

I'm reporting you, you complete ass hole.

ZachKC
09-20-2010, 06:41 PM
So so sad.

You just never really know what is going on in someone's life.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-20-2010, 06:41 PM
Broncos have the worst luck with off the field issues, never seems to end

My god, you just have zero perspective. A kid is dead and you're worried about the team's "luck with off the field issues"?

Rest in Peace, Kenny.

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 06:41 PM
I can't believe this. This is terrible. I don't understand why.

Wait for facts before you try. Appears to be something now, might be something else entirely.

Usually young suicides are a result of prescription drug usage

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 06:42 PM
I'm reporting you, you complete a-hole.

Please feel free, communist

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-20-2010, 06:43 PM
huh?

what is classless about pointing out a fact?

Do you need a dictionary, or a lesson in context, junior?

last but not least, the irony is amazing

I don't know what's more incredible. That you would make a statement like that before the kid's body is even cold, or the fact that you would defend what you said over and over again.

You have zero perspective, and are a total ****ing asshole. Congrats.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-20-2010, 06:43 PM
Oh my god. Private beef, just stop talking. Good grief, you're a moron.

montrose
09-20-2010, 06:43 PM
I can't believe this. This is terrible. I don't understand why.

Sometimes we never know exactly why. He has a young son and according to reports just came from visiting his family. There are different things that can cause something like this that may or may not come out in the coming days. He could've had a chemical inbalance or some other type of health condition such as depression. From someone who knows way too much about contemplating suicide (me) I can say that two of the major factors I always weighed were that there wasn't anything to look forward to in life and that the pressures that come with life outweigh the benefits of living. Now obviously we don't know what was going on in Kenny's personal life but as a father and professional football player it would at least appear to an outsider that he had plenty to live for. More details may come in the following days but this is just such a tragedy for that young man. And for us, the members of the Broncos family - brings up very sad memories from not that long ago.

Naggle Nole
09-20-2010, 06:43 PM
This is absolutely shocking news
Another young life taken too soon
Keep his family in your prayers

Durango
09-20-2010, 06:46 PM
Oh man. What a terrible tragedy. I feel for his family left with so many questions. Poor guy. What could possibly drive a young man with so much promise in things other than football to think he had no other options? Horrible.

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 06:46 PM
My god, you just have zero perspective. A kid is dead and you're worried about the team's "luck with off the field issues"?

Rest in Peace, Kenny.

I didn't know him personally and I don't pretend to have a heartfelt connection to somebody I never knew. Sad for his family but I cannot spend time dwelling on people and things I am not aware of. I am a very matter of fact person and am able to accept the facts of life. Bad things happen to both good and bad people, this is the way of the world. Always has been, always will be.

Not trying to offend people in here who may have known him so I will let the thread be. Somewhat surprised that some took my initial statement beyond face value, but hey, fake indignation is in these days for sure

Archer81
09-20-2010, 06:47 PM
RIP young man.



:Broncos:

Captain 'Dre
09-20-2010, 06:47 PM
RIP...shame to see anyone go at such a young age

It just seems so unnecessary. The guy must've been REALLY anguished.

Thoughts and prayers out to his family.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-20-2010, 06:48 PM
I didn't know him personally and I don't pretend to have a heartfelt connection to somebody I never knew. Sad for his family but I cannot spend time dwelling on people and things I am not aware of. I am a very matter of fact person and am able to accept the facts of life. Bad things happen to both good and bad people, this is the way of the world. Always has been, always will be.

Not trying to offend people in here who may have known him so I will let the thread be. Somewhat surprised that some took my initial statement beyond face value, but hey, fake indignation is in these days for sure

There's zero fake about it, kiddo. As someone else said, there's a time and place for everything. The follow up comments on the matter -- where instead of saying something classy, you defended your bull**** original statement -- showed you to be a totally classless ****tard who has zero perspective on the matter.

Orange4Life
09-20-2010, 06:51 PM
This is terrible. RIP Kenny

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 06:51 PM
There's zero fake about it, kiddo. As someone else said, there's a time and place for everything. The follow up comments on the matter -- where instead of saying something classy, you defended your bull**** original statement -- showed you to be a totally classless ****tard who has zero perspective on the matter.

You are a reactionary zealot who knows nothing about my personal experience- I actually have exceedingly close personal experience with this very topic, thanks for asking.

Get over yourself. Not everyone has to pretend to care on a personal level.

Houshyamama
09-20-2010, 06:53 PM
Wait for facts before you try. Appears to be something now, might be something else entirely.

Usually young suicides are a result of prescription drug usage

I know right? Youth suicide was so uncommon before the advent of neuropharmaceuticals. You are ****ing retarded.

In your backpedaling, you've now brought in to the equation that he was *probably* a drug addict.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-20-2010, 06:56 PM
You are a reactionary zealot who knows nothing about my personal experience- I actually have exceedingly close personal experience with this very topic, thanks for asking.

Get over yourself. Not everyone has to pretend to care on a personal level.

Not everyone has to say anything either, ****tard.

Your compassion for having gone through something like this really shines right through. /rolleyes

If you had a relative that did this, and you shared with the board, some of us would still show compassion for your loss, for the world's loss, of another human being. There's nothing fake about it. Hopefully, those who didn't have that compassion would keep their yappers shut and not say anything at all. Why is that so difficult for you to comprehend?

TheReverend
09-20-2010, 06:56 PM
That's awful. Young, talented and paid a small fortune even though it's light in NFL standards. RIP Kenny.

Requiem
09-20-2010, 06:56 PM
Now, Colonel Beef is a shrink! Look out.

Los Broncos
09-20-2010, 06:56 PM
Rip thoughts to his family, very sad.

Los Broncos
09-20-2010, 06:59 PM
Just tragic. Thoughts with his family and teammates.

http://twitter.com/PostBroncos/status/25076653020

McKinley attended the USC-Georgia game in Athens on Saturday. I have been told he returned to Denver with his young son on Sunday.

Omg he has a son, very sad that kind of hits home with me having a son.

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 07:03 PM
I know right? Youth suicide was so uncommon before the advent of neuropharmaceuticals. You are ****ing retarded.

In your backpedaling, you've now brought in to the equation that he was *probably* a drug addict.

Hardly, but way to jump to that conclusion. Prescription drugs, as in prescribed for a condition. Happens quite often, usually when first starting on something or being weaned off of it.

Paxil is notorious for it.

ZachKC
09-20-2010, 07:04 PM
You are a reactionary zealot who knows nothing about my personal experience- I actually have exceedingly close personal experience with this very topic, thanks for asking.

Get over yourself. Not everyone has to pretend to care on a personal level.

Ya know, I actually have some similar thoughts about threads like these when they pop up.

However, you are best suited to take it somewhere else and bring these issues up at another time. Nothing good can come from bringing up things of that nature in this thread. It just isn't appropriate.

Probably best just to take a break and let this discussion get back on track about the tragic loss of a young life.

Smilin Assassin
09-20-2010, 07:06 PM
If there was ever a thread to keep the petty fighting away from, this is it.

Out of respect to both Kenny and his family.

txtebow
09-20-2010, 07:07 PM
Wow. My deepest sympathies go to his loved ones. He was entirely too young. Sometimes men, (athletes in particular) feel as though they have no one to talk too.....

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 07:07 PM
Ya know, I actually have some similar thoughts about threads like these when they pop up.

However, you are best suited to take it somewhere else and do it at another time. Nothing good can come from bringing up things of that nature in this thread. It just isn't appropriate.

Probably best just to take a break and let this discussion get back on track about the tragic loss of a young life.


I wrote this to a few posters, but might as well share before I vacate for real-

I understand the sentiment, and would never chastise anybody for expressing themselves on what is clearly a sensitive topic- I simply do not agree with the idea that somebody can't be honest about their reaction without the politically correct thought police jumping all over them.

Sad is relative, and in this case it's another young person doing something tragic for all of the wrong reasons- it will happen again tomorrow and the day after next. I cannot allow myself to become emotional about things which happen outside of my personal realm, otherwise where would it end? Do I only get sad when players on my favorite teams have bad things happen to them?

I am beyond getting bent out of shape over such things, and I would surmise that any thinking person would feel the same way.

I react strongly to censoring, and so long as nothing was said that is obviously insulting, I see nothing wrong with my honesty and will continue to defend it.

Best wishes to his young son obviously, the Broncos are a strong organization and he will hopefully be well taken care of.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 07:07 PM
Ya know, I actually have some similar thoughts about threads like these when they pop up.

However, you are best suited to take it somewhere else and bring these issues up at another time. Nothing good can come from bringing up things of that nature in this thread. It just isn't appropriate.

Probably best just to take a break and let this discussion get back on track about the tragic loss of a young life.

I agree with the hillbilly. Feigned sadness or not, why interupt the thread?

Houshyamama
09-20-2010, 07:08 PM
Hardly, but way to jump to that conclusion. Prescription drugs, as in prescribed for a condition. Happens quite often, usually when first starting on something or being weaned off of it.

Paxil is notorious for it.

Sure, it is a common occurrence... But to claim that "Usually young suicides are a result of prescription drug usage" is ridiculous and this is not the forum for that discussion. You need to head to your nearest Walmart and buy some class, quick, because either you've run out or you never had any.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 07:10 PM
I wrote this to a few posters, but might as well share before I vacate for real-

I understand the sentiment, and would never chastise anybody for expressing themselves on what is clearly a sensitive topic- I simply do not agree with the idea that somebody can't be honest about their reaction without the politically correct thought police jumping all over them.

Sad is relative, and in this case it's another young person doing something tragic for all of the wrong reasons- it will happen again tomorrow and the day after next. I cannot allow myself to become emotional about things which happen outside of my personal realm, otherwise where would it end? Do I only get sad when players on my favorite teams have bad things happen to them?

I am beyond getting bent out of shape over such things, and I would surmise that any thinking person would feel the same way.

I react strongly to censoring, and so long as nothing was said that is obviously insulting, I see nothing wrong with my honesty and will continue to defend it.

Best wishes to his young son obviously, the Broncos are a strong organization and he will hopefully be well taken care of.

You're right in your stance. I, personally, have my opinions on it as well. I read through this thread hoping to see more details - not because I care that another person in the world died (especially if it is in fact suicide).

That being said, maybe people's lives are actually so narrow and sheltered that something like this truly does affect them. Who are we to judge? Let them grieve as they please.

SDRaiderH8er
09-20-2010, 07:10 PM
I am sorry to hear that Kenny McKinley was found dead. May he RIP

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 07:12 PM
You're right in your stance. I, personally, have my opinions on it as well. I read through this thread hoping to see more details - not because I care that another person in the world died (especially if it is in fact suicide).

That being said, maybe people's lives are actually so narrow and sheltered that something like this truly does affect them. Who are we to judge? Let them grieve as they please.

Fair point.

SoDak Bronco
09-20-2010, 07:13 PM
Kenny McKinley RIP, prayers to his family

UberBroncoMan
09-20-2010, 07:15 PM
Just heard this during halftime on the game...was in total shock, still am. Such a needless waste of life.

Retire #30!!!
09-20-2010, 07:16 PM
Horrible news prayers to his family.

UberBroncoMan
09-20-2010, 07:16 PM
The broncos homepage looks eerily familiar.

http://www.denverbroncos.com/

http://prod.static.broncos.clubs.nfl.com/assets/clubimages/splash/mckinley_splash_sm.jpg

Only 23... -_-

hookemhess
09-20-2010, 07:17 PM
RIP Kenny.......

Life is fleeting.

SoDak Bronco
09-20-2010, 07:18 PM
MaxBroncos (http://twitter.com/MaxBroncos)
Perhaps the finest tribute in the 21st Century: Kenny McKinley is the No. 2 trending topic worldwide on Twitter right now, No. 1 in the USA.

oubronco
09-20-2010, 07:19 PM
Damn shame someone feels they have to take their own life.....RIP

bpc
09-20-2010, 07:19 PM
I can't believe it. Sometimes it feels like we are cursed the worst rotten luck.

RIP Kenny McKinley.

epicSocialism4tw
09-20-2010, 07:20 PM
Awful.

gunns
09-20-2010, 07:20 PM
Wow, I just heard this on MNF. How awful and sad that he felt he had no recourse. My heart breaks for his family.....and yes Colonelbeef I've been through this too, and it's not fake when I say it breaks my heart. No I don't know him, but he was a human being and I know what his family will be going through. I wish no one had to go through it.

Dudeskey
09-20-2010, 07:21 PM
http://www.proxywhore.com/invboard/style_emoticons/default/candle.gif

SoDak Bronco
09-20-2010, 07:22 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/images/editor/separator.gifCan a mod put Kenny's pic on the top of the OMANE page as a tribute/

Hamrob
09-20-2010, 07:22 PM
Terrible news! RIP

SoDak Bronco
09-20-2010, 07:22 PM
I can't believe it. Sometimes it feels like we are cursed the worst rotten luck.

RIP Kenny McKinley.

I said the same thing to my wife. such a sad day.

big56fan#1
09-20-2010, 07:23 PM
R.I.P Kenny

Rohirrim
09-20-2010, 07:23 PM
Horrible.

RIP

Tombstone RJ
09-20-2010, 07:23 PM
23 and gone, Kenny, we hardly knew you, rest in peace...

Broncojef
09-20-2010, 07:26 PM
So young!! God that sucks!! RIP

lostknight
09-20-2010, 07:30 PM
R.I.P

And good reminder to the mane, the people we cheer, discuss, and occasionally dog are people. I remember a lot of people who had to live with things they posted about Darrent when he was taken. We do a fair bit of ridiculing people, and often forget that words, even by uninformed fans in jest, can sometimes have a painful effect. Not saying that this is the case here, in fact I doubt it, but never something I would want on my head.

Dr. Broncenstein
09-20-2010, 07:31 PM
How awful.

Missouribronc
09-20-2010, 07:31 PM
Thoughts are with his family, and especially his young child.

randomtask
09-20-2010, 07:31 PM
RIP Kenny McKinley, and my condolences to his family.

This tragedy never had to happen. Suicide is never the solution to a problem. Never.

Broncosfreak_56
09-20-2010, 07:36 PM
It's hard to express how sad it is to hear something like this. That picture of him smiling is sad to look at. Rest in peace.

hookemhess
09-20-2010, 07:37 PM
I didn't know him personally and I don't pretend to have a heartfelt connection to somebody I never knew. Sad for his family but I cannot spend time dwelling on people and things I am not aware of. I am a very matter of fact person and am able to accept the facts of life. Bad things happen to both good and bad people, this is the way of the world. Always has been, always will be.

Not trying to offend people in here who may have known him so I will let the thread be. Somewhat surprised that some took my initial statement beyond face value, but hey, fake indignation is in these days for sure

So be a douchebag about it and talk ****? You don't know what this means to anyone else & it's not your place to judge. As someone who's dealt w/ suicide in my family -- this definitely tugs at my heart & made me text all my loved ones. You, sir, can go **** yourself.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 07:39 PM
So be a douchebag about it and talk ****? You don't know what this means to anyone else & it's not your place to judge. As someone who's dealt w/ suicide in my family -- this definitely tugs at my heart & made me text all my loved ones. You, sir, can go **** yourself.

So you're more entitled to voice your opinion because you know someone that offed themselves?

I had a cousin deepthroat a shotgun when I was a kid so I say eat a fat one. See, now I'm entitled to an opinion as well.

UberBroncoMan
09-20-2010, 07:40 PM
RIP Kenny McKinley (http://twitter.com/search?q=RIP+Kenny+McKinley) is currently the top trending topic on Twitter too.

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 07:40 PM
So be a douchebag about it and talk ****? You don't know what this means to anyone else & it's not your place to judge. As someone who's dealt w/ suicide in my family -- this definitely tugs at my heart & made me text all my loved ones. You, sir, can go **** yourself.

Same goes for you- who are you to judge my reaction? I said nothing which could even remotely be considered intolerant or insulting. The reaction here is worth noting.

Amazing.

hookemhess
09-20-2010, 07:42 PM
So you're more entitled to voice your opinion because you know someone that offed themselves?

I had a cousin deepthroat a shotgun when I was a kid so I say eat a fat one. See, now I'm entitled to an opinion as well.

There's just no reason to start **** with people simply paying their respects. Don't open the thread if you don't care or don't want to read people's reactions. It's simple.

oldschoolorange
09-20-2010, 07:42 PM
RIP Kenny McKinley. There are many touching sentiments posted. Please keep his family in your prayers.

hookemhess
09-20-2010, 07:45 PM
http://media.scout.com/Media/Image/42/422320.jpg

Broncomutt
09-20-2010, 07:46 PM
I lost a good friend to suicide. I remember the rage, anger and disappointment I felt that rivaled my sorrow.

I remember the anger of his widow and the shock and grief of his mother. Most of all, I remember the look of fear and confusion in his childrens eyes.

He decided to quit, rather than man up to the challenges of life we all face every day.

It's been 10 years and I miss him terribly, but I now understand why people say suicide is a selfish act.

broncos-rock
09-20-2010, 07:48 PM
RIP Kenny!!

Dukes
09-20-2010, 07:49 PM
RIP Kenny. Prayers to the ones you left behind.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 07:49 PM
I lost a good friend to suicide. I remember the rage, anger and disappointment I felt that rivaled my sorrow.

I remember the anger of his widow and the shock and grief of his mother. Most of all, I remember the look of fear and confusion in his childrens eyes.

He decided to quit, rather than man up to the challenges of life we all face every day.

It's been 10 years and I miss him terribly, but I now understand why people say suicide is a selfish act.

Someone I only mildly knew offed themselves back in mid-January. Disgust is my only feeling to this day for that individual.

For the families, nothing but sympathy.

eddie mac
09-20-2010, 07:50 PM
Terrible news. RIP Kenny, thoughts with your family, friends, team-mates and the whole Broncos organisation.

This team has had far too many tragic losses over the last few years.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 07:50 PM
There's just no reason to start **** with people simply paying their respects. Don't open the thread if you don't care or don't want to read people's reactions. It's simple.

While, again, I generally agree with the sentiment and wouldn't oppose someone suggesting that to him, was this deemed a grieve only thread? I thought it was essentially a news posting that he died. It doesn't justify you being a prick to someone in defense of someone who willingly took their own life (by current reports).

Houshyamama
09-20-2010, 07:53 PM
While, again, I generally agree with the sentiment and wouldn't oppose someone suggesting that to him, was this deemed a grieve only thread? I thought it was essentially a news posting that he died. It doesn't justify you being a prick to someone in defense of someone who willingly took their own life (by current reports).

Just stop man, you're making yourself look like a tool.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 07:57 PM
Just stop man, you're making yourself look like a tool.

We all have our opinions.

Requiem
09-20-2010, 08:00 PM
Dedicated to Kenny McKinley:

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BMF Bronco
09-20-2010, 08:12 PM
truly sad, RIP

Bronco X
09-20-2010, 08:16 PM
Awful, awful news. I have no idea what he was going through and wish he had turned somewhere, anywhere, else... but there's nothing that can be done about it now... may his family and friends have the strength to persevere...

UboBronco
09-20-2010, 08:26 PM
RIP....

May the Lord help his family and friends through this crucial time.

barryr
09-20-2010, 08:29 PM
Such a terrible tragedy for someone that young to do that. RIP!

ChSuperStar
09-20-2010, 08:29 PM
I dont know why he did this, But i am hearing lot of this lately and i have been going through a very bad summer myself personally. I have seen some people talk bad even in this thread... Please keep your awesome behaviour for other threads. (Until you lose somethings in life and some people who are close to your heart, you wouldn't understand how sad news affects some of us )

My prayers for kenny and his family. :(

Clockwork Orange
09-20-2010, 08:30 PM
Just awful. My heart goes out to the McKinley family.

Popcorn Sutton
09-20-2010, 08:31 PM
Wow, extremely sad news. My thoughts are with your family during this tough time.

RIP Kenny.

Ratboy
09-20-2010, 08:31 PM
I am curious what made him snap.

Boobs McGee
09-20-2010, 08:34 PM
23! I'm just shaking my head in disbelief. So very sad, RIP kenny and prayers to your family.

broncocalijohn
09-20-2010, 08:35 PM
My heart goes out to the family. Suicide, to me, is very selfish and hurts everyone that loved the person. This thread is for anyone that wants to express their opinion. This is mine and I feel for his family and former teammates. We cant act like we are stepping on egg shells. Someone will be upset by it. Let those that think it is wrong to do so. Not one of these posters is going to be walking into the church where mass will be held and start being disrespectful. So for those that are offended, get off your high horse and know that not all opinions wont be the same. I see many here having condolences for the family and that is it.

theAPAOps5
09-20-2010, 08:37 PM
I am curious what made him snap.

There are reports on Fox 31 that he was suffering depression from going on IR and was having some financial stress. Again that's just reports and they also said that his son who was in town wasn't at the home.

baja
09-20-2010, 08:38 PM
You can tell a lot about people reading this thread.

Florida_Bronco
09-20-2010, 08:47 PM
I don't know what is more repulsive about this place. The fact that we have people who think that this is an appropriate time to piss on this guy's grave, or that it's being allowed.

broncogary
09-20-2010, 08:49 PM
I don't know what is more repulsive about this place. The fact that we have people who think that this is an appropriate time to piss on this guy's grave, or that it's being allowed.

That's simple. It wasn't a birthday thread.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 09:03 PM
I don't know what is more repulsive about this place. The fact that we have people who think that this is an appropriate time to piss on this guy's grave, or that it's being allowed.

Come hang out at the spot where nobody says anything bad about anyone: www.yahoo.com

Stay at a discussion board and get opinions. Otherwise, what's the point?

BlaK-Argentina
09-20-2010, 09:07 PM
I was shocked to hear this news. He was a year younger than I am.

RIP Kenny.

outdoor_miner
09-20-2010, 09:08 PM
My gosh. So so sad in so many ways.

ScottXray
09-20-2010, 09:09 PM
This is just SAD. So sorry for his family. Hope he finds the peace he
couldn't find before.

worm
09-20-2010, 09:10 PM
Prayers to the entire McKinley family and everybody personally touched by this tragedy.

SonOfLe-loLang
09-20-2010, 09:13 PM
My heart goes out to the family. Suicide, to me, is very selfish and hurts everyone that loved the person. This thread is for anyone that wants to express their opinion. This is mine and I feel for his family and former teammates. We cant act like we are stepping on egg shells. Someone will be upset by it. Let those that think it is wrong to do so. Not one of these posters is going to be walking into the church where mass will be held and start being disrespectful. So for those that are offended, get off your high horse and know that not all opinions wont be the same. I see many here having condolences for the family and that is it.

As someone who has gone through this, I don't think its fair to say its selfish. You enter a dark dark place thats so filled with pain...its not something I can explain. Unfortunately, Kenny got caught in a moment and followed through. its tragic that anyone can get that down and can't find the way out, but trust me, these things arent done on a whim...and if you succeed, its probably not a cry for help. RIP Kenny.

DomCasual
09-20-2010, 09:16 PM
It's crazy getting a CNN Breaking News email, opening it up, and seeing the first two words be "Denver Broncos." It isn't ever good.

I'll say this. There is never a problem that can't be worked through. He looks like such a sweet kid in some of these pictures - especially that one in his Gamecocks uni. What the heck happened that was so bad?

24champ
09-20-2010, 09:17 PM
I saw someone mention that it could be an overdose, but CBS4 is saying that McKinley apparently shot himself. Denver Post also reporting that the Broncos will hold a full team meeting tomorrow to discuss McKinley's death. I'm sure more will unfold later on the circumstances of his death.

The family and teammates that was left behind are in a tough spot, my thoughts are with them.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 09:24 PM
As someone who has gone through this, I don't think its fair to say its selfish. You enter a dark dark place thats so filled with pain...its not something I can explain. Unfortunately, Kenny got caught in a moment and followed through. its tragic that anyone can get that down and can't find the way out, but trust me, these things arent done on a whim...and if you succeed, its probably not a cry for help. RIP Kenny.

Exactly. It's not done on a whim. If he knew there was a problem but didn't seek help, instead choosing to be a tough guy and this is the end result... sorry, no justification.

Yahoo story is saying a gunshot wound and the lady who found him was returning home with his kid after running errands. Does it change anyone's opinion if his child saw him laying there? How terrible.

If you are depressed, be f'ing smart and get help. Don't **** your family over and leave your kids without a parent because you're too big of a pussy to say you're depressed.

bowtown
09-20-2010, 09:27 PM
Exactly. It's not done on a whim. If he knew there was a problem but didn't seek help, instead choosing to be a tough guy and this is the end result... sorry, no justification.

Yahoo story is saying a gunshot wound and the lady who found him was returning home with his kid after running errands. Does it change anyone's opinion if his child saw him laying there? How terrible.

If you are depressed, be f'ing smart and get help. Don't **** your family over and leave your kids without a parent because you're too big of a p***Y to say you're depressed.

How do you know he wasn't getting help? Seriously dude, just stop. Just because message boards are for opinions, it doesn't mean there aren't still sometimes when it's best to just keep them to yourself. Class it up.

Broncos_OTM
09-20-2010, 09:27 PM
I didn't know him personally and I don't pretend to have a heartfelt connection to somebody I never knew. Sad for his family but I cannot spend time dwelling on people and things I am not aware of. I am a very matter of fact person and am able to accept the facts of life. Bad things happen to both good and bad people, this is the way of the world. Always has been, always will be.

Not trying to offend people in here who may have known him so I will let the thread be. Somewhat surprised that some took my initial statement beyond face value, but hey, fake indignation is in these days for sure

While I agree with what you say as far as the way the world works. You are truely a idiot. It would have been better if you had never openend the thrad or your mouth.... just sayingy

scttgrd
09-20-2010, 09:28 PM
There are no words for something like this, senseless and tragic to lose a man so young. Time to close ranks and extend condolences to the Broncos family.

TDmvp
09-20-2010, 09:30 PM
I have learned one thing for sure this last month , You just never know ...

After the family who lives next to me's beautiful 16 year old who was going to graduate high school early and attend college at 17 shot and killed herself over a boy ...

I sure have learned that suicide can effect people you just never thought it could happen to.


I just always for some reason thought suicide effected those on the fringe who maybe people in school treaded mean for something the person couldn't help or change or people who are just so scared for some reason they make a knee jerk decision and do something they may have wished they didn't or like in my neighbors child maybe not understanding the ramifications of their actions and doing something over something stupid like a boy even tho in her case that's what so shocking about it and you just don't see coming because of how advanced she was education wise and how mature she was.


But I just always thought/worried about the kids who didn't have much and other messed with because of it and those not popular kids who didn't pick what they was it was just life and high school and those adults who was having trouble with money and job stuff and maybe a divorce...

But you just don't see it coming with the prom queen valedictorian , and the pro athlete...


But in Kenny's case and in my neighbor from the outside looking in you would just never think it could happen. People who others would love to be taking their own lives.


But you just never know ...




And before someone flames me for some reason that i'm totally unaware of , I'm just venting/brainstorming/still in shock from what I seen next door to me a few weeks ago...

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 09:31 PM
How do you know he wasn't getting help? Seriously dude, just stop. Just because message boards are for opinions, it doesn't mean there aren't still sometimes when it's best to just keep them to yourself. Class it up.

Getting help isn't a flip you switch. It's an ongoing process. The point at which he puts a gun to his head and pulls a trigger is the point at which it's pretty easy to say he wasn't doing all he could to get help.

As long as people are going to continue moaning and groaning, I'm gonna continue voicing my opinion. Suck it up.

Dagmar
09-20-2010, 09:33 PM
As long as people are going to continue moaning and groaning, I'm gonna continue voicing my opinion. Suck it up.

You are classless.

scttgrd
09-20-2010, 09:33 PM
I have learned one thing for sure this last month , You just never know ...

After the family who lives next to me's beautiful 16 year old who was going to graduate high school early and attend college at 17 shot and killed herself over a boy ...

I sure have learned that suicide can effect people you just never thought it could happen to.


I just always for some reason thought suicide effected those on the fringe who maybe people in school treaded mean for something the person couldn't help or change or people who are just so scared for some reason they make a knee jerk decision and do something they may have wished they didn't or like in my neighbors child maybe not understanding the ramifications of their actions and doing something over something stupid like a boy even tho in her case that's what so shocking about it and you just don't see coming because of how advanced she was education wise and how mature she was.


But I just always thought/worried about the kids who didn't have much and other messed with because of it and those not popular kids who didn't pick what they was it was just life and high school and those adults who was having trouble with money and job stuff and maybe a divorce...

But you just don't see it coming with the prom queen valedictorian , and the pro athlete...


But in Kenny's case and in my neighbor from the outside looking in you would just never think it could happen. People who others would love to be taking their own lives.


But you just never know ...




And before someone flames me for some reason that i'm totally unaware of , I'm just venting/brainstorming/still in shock from what I seen next door to me a few weeks ago...

We cope the best way we can, till you have lived it you can't imagine the complete blindside life can bring your way.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 09:37 PM
You are classless.

Explain.

What is class and what am I doing wrong here?

Is someone not selfish for leaving their children fatherless? Cromartie and Henry had a dozen kids apiece and didn't provide for them. We made fun of them and called them garbage. This guy did the same thing but he's a saint? We just don't understand him? We don't know what he was going through?

Popps
09-20-2010, 09:37 PM
Getting help isn't a flip you switch. It's an ongoing process. The point at which he puts a gun to his head and pulls a trigger is the point at which it's pretty easy to say he wasn't doing all he could to get help.


As long as people are going to continue moaning and groaning, I'm gonna continue voicing my opinion. Suck it up.

There's no law against being classless, so you're welcome to continue. Looks like you're pretty desperate for attention. That in and of itself is maybe something that should be looked into for help.

As for the subject matter, plenty of people under very close medical care commit suicide. Sometimes the efforts (drugs) to keep people from being depressed are actually counterproductive. Sometimes these things are done before the person knows they even need to reach out for help. That's why they're called "mental disorders," because they're not orderly.

You're not offending me, boss... you're just embarrassing yourself.

You just couldn't let people mourn this guy's death in peace, huh.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 09:41 PM
There's no law against being classless, so you're welcome to continue. Looks like you're pretty desperate for attention. That in and of itself is maybe something that should be looked into for help.

As for the subject matter, plenty of people under very close medical care commit suicide. Sometimes the efforts (drugs) to keep people from being depressed are actually counterproductive. Sometimes these things are done before the person knows they even need to reach out for help. That's why they're called "mental disorders," because they're not orderly.

You're not offending me, boss... you're just embarrassing yourself.

You just couldn't let people mourn this guy's death in peace, huh.

Once again, is this the rainbow club?

I also got people upset at me when I said the world was a happier place after Chris Henry was a dumbass and got himself killed.

And if you'll notice, I suggested early on to let everyone do their thing but people wouldn't let it go. THEY wanted to keep commenting on colonelbeef in this thread where I had already proposed to let the grieving happen. So, again, as long as people want to get pissy about opinions, you shall have more.

scttgrd
09-20-2010, 09:41 PM
Just read he had a young son, man I can't imagine. Damn that is tough, just tough.

Baba Booey
09-20-2010, 09:41 PM
RIP Kenny. So incredibly sad.

BroncoDoug
09-20-2010, 09:45 PM
Sad situation all around, I feel bad for his remaining family left to clean up the mess this has all caused. I hope his kid can get a good support system around him for his future.

I'm just waiting for all the debbie downers complaining on how McD wasted the draft pic on him... God I hope not. RIP Kenny.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 09:49 PM
Sad situation all around, I feel bad for his remaining family left to clean up the mess this has all caused. I hope his kid can get a good support system around him for his future.

I'm just waiting for all the debbie downers complaining on how McD wasted the draft pic on him... God I hope not. RIP Kenny.

7 pages in and your the first to say such a thing.

Subconsciously, you're the first person to think such a thing. Well done, you are who you complain about.

scttgrd
09-20-2010, 09:50 PM
Sad situation all around, I feel bad for his remaining family left to clean up the mess this has all caused. I hope his kid can get a good support system around him for his future.

I'm just waiting for all the debbie downers complaining on how McD wasted the draft pic on him... God I hope not. RIP Kenny.

I've been one of the "haters", but there is no place for that right now. We are all Broncos fans, and we lost one of our own. Most importantly a family lost a son and a father. Now is not the time to bring up any grievances.

Popps
09-20-2010, 09:54 PM
Once again, is this the rainbow club?

I also got people upset at me when I said the world was a happier place after Chris Henry was a dumbass and got himself killed.

And if you'll notice, I suggested early on to let everyone do their thing but people wouldn't let it go. THEY wanted to keep commenting on colonelbeef in this thread where I had already proposed to let the grieving happen. So, again, as long as people want to get pissy about opinions, you shall have more.

You keep looking for that attention, kid. I'm done with you.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 09:55 PM
You keep looking for that attention, kid. I'm done with you.

Awesome, the sooner people quit being assholes, the sooner the grievers can have their thread back.

baja
09-20-2010, 09:55 PM
This place just doesn't have a sense of propriety.

outdoor_miner
09-20-2010, 09:59 PM
This place just doesn't have a sense of propriety.

There are people who are simply incapable of understanding that the world isn't all about them. They can't understand that people suffer from ailments that they don't, have experienced things that they haven't. Then, in situations like this, they make everything about themselves and their awesome opinions. They suck.

broncocalijohn
09-20-2010, 10:03 PM
Sad situation all around, I feel bad for his remaining family left to clean up the mess this has all caused. I hope his kid can get a good support system around him for his future.

I'm just waiting for all the debbie downers complaining on how McD wasted the draft pic on him... God I hope not. RIP Kenny.

I am not sure if they are that cold. Not sure who he was close to on the team but seems they will, once again, go through the grieving this time during the season. The worst is McKinley left a child fatherless and that is tough on the kid. Whatever the pain physically or mentally, you just cant do that to your blood as boys need their Dads.

colorado jones
09-20-2010, 10:05 PM
Exactly. It's not done on a whim. If he knew there was a problem but didn't seek help, instead choosing to be a tough guy and this is the end result... sorry, no justification.

Yahoo story is saying a gunshot wound and the lady who found him was returning home with his kid after running errands. Does it change anyone's opinion if his child saw him laying there? How terrible.

If you are depressed, be f'ing smart and get help. Don't **** your family over and leave your kids without a parent because you're too big of a p***Y to say you're depressed.

I had to reply to this as it is pretty amazing how much you are simplifying a very complex thing in the effort to show how right you think you are.

I am 35 years old and my best friend from high school killed himself at 26 after being in the Navy. He did it by drinking anti freeze. To show you how black and white things AREN'T when dealing with suicide....6 months before he died, he called my at my parent's house on X mas morning. After chatting for a little bit, he proceeded to tell me how much he has always resented me. I didn't understand why he would say this to me as I always thought we had a great relationship. I told him happy holidays and hung up. 6 months later....he is dead. Can you guess what his call was for? A cry for help....which I failed to not see until it was too late ( I am not saying I could of stopped him from doing it anyway). And this is just one interaction in one suicide on one particular day.

My point is for you to think you have it all figured out about it: You don't. And nor do I. But what I learned from that experience has and will continue to help me for the rest of my life.

Kudos to you about being all knowing about the more complex parts of life.

RIP Kenny.

mr007
09-20-2010, 10:07 PM
Always sad to hear when someone takes their life regardless of the circumstances.

The MVPlaya
09-20-2010, 10:08 PM
RIP to Kenny

Tragic loss... had a bright future ahead of him in the NFL.

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 10:08 PM
I had to reply to this as it is pretty amazing how much you are simplifying a very complex thing in the effort to show how right you think you are.

I am 35 years old and my best friend from high school killed himself at 26 after being in the Navy. He did it by drinking anti freeze. To show you how black and white things AREN'T when dealing with suicide....6 months before he died, he called my at my parent's house on X mas morning. After chatting for a little bit, he proceeded to tell me how much he has always resented me. I didn't understand why he would say this to me as I always thought we had a great relationship. I told him happy holidays and hung up. 6 months later....he is dead. Can you guess what his call was for? A cry for help....which I failed to not see until it was too late ( I am not saying I could of stopped him from doing it anyway). And this is just one interaction in one suicide on one particular day.

My point is for you to think you have it all figured out about it: You don't. And nor do I. But what I learned from that experience has and will continue to help me for the rest of my life.

Kudos to you about being all knowing about the more complex parts of life.

RIP Kenny.

I'll make you a deal. You delete your post so this doesn't keep going and I'll delete this one. If we want the grievers to be happy, let's both concede to argue it out another day. I have the reasons for my opinion, you have the reasons for yours.

Handshake and let this thread go off in peace? People requested it. You choose.

Broncobiv
09-20-2010, 10:14 PM
colonelbeef's first post (the one that started all the fighting):
Broncos have the worst luck with off the field issues, never seems to end

Later I read this one:

I can't believe it. Sometimes it feels like we are cursed the worst rotten luck.

RIP Kenny McKinley.

And this one:
I can't believe it. Sometimes it feels like we are cursed the worst rotten luck.

RIP Kenny McKinley.I said the same thing to my wife. such a sad day.

So why did everyone jump down colonelbeef's throat for saying one thing, but nobody said anything to the two other posters who posted virtually the same sentiment? This place sure has a weird way of picking its pariahs.

EDIT: Not trying to directly interrupt the RIP thread here, merely pointing out an observation that was glaring out to me as I read through it.

TDmvp
09-20-2010, 10:15 PM
http://media.thestate.com/smedia/2008/08/23/21/866-mckinleylead.lead_art_horizontal.prod_affiliate.74 .jpg

colorado jones
09-20-2010, 10:16 PM
I'll make you a deal. You delete your post so this doesn't keep going and I'll delete this one. If we want the grievers to be happy, let's both concede to argue it out another day. I have the reasons for my opinion, you have the reasons for yours.

Handshake and let this thread go off in peace? People requested it. You choose.

I said what I wanted to say but I won't be deleting my post.

TDmvp
09-20-2010, 10:18 PM
http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:Ua7puXpAagOpVM:http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee267/peytonakapedro/KennyMcKinley.jpg&t=1

That One Guy
09-20-2010, 10:24 PM
I had to reply to this as it is pretty amazing how much you are simplifying a very complex thing in the effort to show how right you think you are.

I am 35 years old and my best friend from high school killed himself at 26 after being in the Navy. He did it by drinking anti freeze. To show you how black and white things AREN'T when dealing with suicide....6 months before he died, he called my at my parent's house on X mas morning. After chatting for a little bit, he proceeded to tell me how much he has always resented me. I didn't understand why he would say this to me as I always thought we had a great relationship. I told him happy holidays and hung up. 6 months later....he is dead. Can you guess what his call was for? A cry for help....which I failed to not see until it was too late ( I am not saying I could of stopped him from doing it anyway). And this is just one interaction in one suicide on one particular day.

My point is for you to think you have it all figured out about it: You don't. And nor do I. But what I learned from that experience has and will continue to help me for the rest of my life.

Kudos to you about being all knowing about the more complex parts of life.

RIP Kenny.

Someone says they resent you and that's a cry for help? Or it could be a drunken ****er off his rocker. If the guy wanted help, he had (as you believe it) 6 months to find help. As ex-military, I know how hard it is to deal with the depression issue and seek help. I've seen plenty of people more embarrassed than you could ever imagine. I've also known some who were cowards and actually tried with a couple successfully doing it.

At the end of the day, it is that person's responsibility to speak up and ask for help. I've went through hard times for me personally. I know when life sucks and you wonder whether it is all worth it. You have to have the strength to seek help or get over your problems. Sucks for your friend but he's the only one to blame here.

baja
09-20-2010, 10:36 PM
I'm amazed you guys haven't found a way to bring jay Cutler into this yet. Geez!

theAPAOps5
09-20-2010, 10:40 PM
Getting help isn't a flip you switch. It's an ongoing process. The point at which he puts a gun to his head and pulls a trigger is the point at which it's pretty easy to say he wasn't doing all he could to get help.

As long as people are going to continue moaning and groaning, I'm gonna continue voicing my opinion. Suck it up.

You probably should just shut the **** up. You are being an ass and screaming for attention.

colorado jones
09-20-2010, 10:43 PM
Someone says they resent you and that's a cry for help? Or it could be a drunken ****er off his rocker. If the guy wanted help, he had (as you believe it) 6 months to find help. As ex-military, I know how hard it is to deal with the depression issue and seek help. I've seen plenty of people more embarrassed than you could ever imagine. I've also known some who were cowards and actually tried with a couple successfully doing it.

At the end of the day, it is that person's responsibility to speak up and ask for help. I've went through hard times for me personally. I know when life sucks and you wonder whether it is all worth it. You have to have the strength to seek help or get over your problems. Sucks for your friend but he's the only one to blame here.

In my mind it was a cry for help considering the context of the whole situation which I have and you do not.

My point was simply it is not as cut and dry as you keep making it. And just so we are clear, he is the only one ultimately to blame for his death. It does require strength to seek out help.

I am not justifying what my friend did. FOR ME, I just feel a little more comfortable in my attempt to dig a little deeper about what may have lead up to my friend's decision instead of buying into the "Get you some strength/ Don't be a p***y" advice that you are advocating. Cause, I am pretty sure if that is the advice I would of gave him, it definitely would not of mattered anyway.

Blueflame
09-20-2010, 10:48 PM
As has been noted, this is not the time... nor is it the place... to start a flame war. If you can't show proper respect, then please don't post in this thread.

Houshyamama
09-20-2010, 10:49 PM
You keep looking for that attention, kid. I'm done with you.

Milking attention from a mourning thread shouldn't be rewarded. All this little kid (or at least childish in maturity) wants is attention. I'm done with him as well.

colorado jones
09-20-2010, 10:52 PM
I will stop. Kenny's death made me think of my friend tonight and something just struck a chord with me I guess.

Sorry to the board.

strafen
09-20-2010, 10:55 PM
I don't know what is more repulsive about this place. The fact that we have people who think that this is an appropriate time to piss on this guy's grave, or that it's being allowed.Firdt of all, my prayers go out to McKinley's family during this hard moment for them.

Second, to comment on your post. I agree with you. It's pretty disturbed that in a thread meant to express our sentiments for the loss of a young life, the Mane finds a way to make it yet again, an opportunity to insult and berate other posters.
And yes, it's been allowed to happen and it will always be allowed to happen. Sad indeed!

Quite frankly, the original post by colonelbeef didn't strike me as out of context. We've had issues off the field in the last 3 years or so that have been tragic to the Broncoss community. I don't think he meant anything wrong, it was just taken out of context.
If a guy like Popps per-se would've been the one making that comment, most likely the response would've been something like... "This". "I agree." "I second that," etc...,

mkporter
09-20-2010, 11:25 PM
Condolences to Kenny's friends and family. Always tough to hear about someone who didn't get the help they needed. Even worse when they are a parent.

BowlenBall
09-20-2010, 11:27 PM
This is just so sad... I feel terrible for McKinley's family, and terrible for the Denver Broncos players as well. A death of a teammate is something that almost never happens in pro sports, and they've had to deal with it three times now in the last four years.

Hopefully, Pat Bowlen and the team will provide emotional support and grief counseling -- remember, we're talking about a large group of relatively young men who may have trouble dealing with this.

I also hope that, just like D-Will's mother, Kenny McKinley's son will always have a family and support from the Broncos organization.

Miss I.
09-20-2010, 11:30 PM
Sad day for Broncos... Again.
Nothing is more tragic than a guy taking his own life at 23. Its easy to say that nothing is so hard you can't overcome it but you have to walk a mile in the other persons shoes to see what really was going on.
As I have said in other posts. RIP McKinley may you find the peace on the other side that you couldn't find here with us.

This, I am taking this from the other thread. Apa nailed it here.

RIP Kenny. I hope you find peace sir. I am just sorry your life was so brief.

theAPAOps5
09-20-2010, 11:37 PM
This is just so sad... I feel terrible for McKinley's family, and terrible for the Denver Broncos players as well. A death of a teammate is something that almost never happens in pro sports, and they've had to deal with it three times now in the last four years.

Hopefully, Pat Bowlen and the team will provide emotional support and grief counseling -- remember, we're talking about a large group of relatively young men who may have trouble dealing with this.

I also hope that, just like D-Will's mother, Kenny McKinley's son will always have a family and support from the Broncos organization.

Unfortunately the Broncos have experience dealing with the loss of their family. They stated they will have grief councilors at the facility for players and coaches.

dsmoot
09-21-2010, 02:53 AM
R.I.P

And good reminder to the mane, the people we cheer, discuss, and occasionally dog are people. I remember a lot of people who had to live with things they posted about Darrent when he was taken. We do a fair bit of ridiculing people, and often forget that words, even by uninformed fans in jest, can sometimes have a painful effect. Not saying that this is the case here, in fact I doubt it, but never something I would want on my head.


Sometimes we, as people, just react in awkward ways to things we don't mentally or emotionally understand. We need to give everyone here a wide berth and the benefit of our possible misunderstanding. Please, if someone says something that appears to be insensitive, just let it go, don't feel compelled to attack or provide retribution. I truly believe the memory of Kenny McKinley deserves the very best from us as individuals, even if our base reaction wants us to react in a very different way.

dbfan21
09-21-2010, 04:47 AM
You have to be in a dark, dark place to even THINK of taking your own life. This is terrible news. Prayers go out to his friends and family.

SoDak Bronco
09-21-2010, 07:19 AM
Kiszla: Death jars a Broncos team hit by tragedies

By Mark Kiszla
The Denver Post
(mkiszla@denverpost.com?subject=The%20Denver%20Pos t:%20Kiszla:%20Death%20jars%20a%20Broncos%20team%2 0hit%20by%20tragedies)
Posted: 09/21/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/0920/20100920__Kmckinley092010a%7Ep1_200.jpg (http://www.denverpost.com/portlet/article/html/imageDisplay.jsp?contentItemRelationshipId=3301304 )Kenny McKinley (AP file photo)



Too many funerals.
With the death of wide receiver Kenny McKinley, who apparently ended his life Monday with a self-inflicted gunshot wound, the Broncos have buried too many teammates since 2007, when cornerback Darrent Williams was stolen by gang violence and running back Damien Nash collapsed after a charity basketball game.
All three young athletes had achieved a football dream. None lived to see his 25th birthday.
What's hard to accept is how disposable dreams are in the NFL.
Denver will wipe away tears this morning, because this is a city where the Broncos are treated like family. There will be heartfelt prayers for McKinley's family and frustrating attempts to explain how he could possibly contemplate suicide, while everybody awaits the complete findings of a police investigation.
But nothing lasts in the NFL for long, not even grief, because teams now systematically erase institutional memory.
Truth be known, there is precious little connection between the deaths of Williams and McKinley, except for the fact they both wore orange.
It doesn't seem that long ago that Williams made his last tackle for the Broncos. His final game was on New Year's Eve, the final Sunday of 2006.
Those of us who remember him can walk through the locker room at Dove Valley and envision Williams sitting and laughing at a table, joking with the fellas after lunch.
Here's what is jarring: Only two of the 36 players who started a game for Denver alongside the slain cornerback are still on the team. Champ Bailey, D.J. Williams. That's it.
Even in a great football town like Denver, one thing that makes it even tougher and sadder to say goodbye to McKinley is fans really don't get much of a chance to know most of these players any longer. The names on the back of the jerseys might as well be attached by Velcro.
"This is a tragic loss for our football team," said Denver coach Josh McDaniels, no doubt shaken
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by the death of McKinley. In a statement, franchise owner Pat Bowlen added, "Everyone with the Broncos is shocked and saddened." Teammates will grieve and see reminders of McKinley everywhere they go this week. NFL franchises like to believe they are family. But in the age of free agency, even the most tight-knit of football families don't last, because players seldom stay in the same locker room long enough to ever truly make it feel like home.
McKinley played in college for South Carolina. After catching more than 200 passes for the Gamecocks, there was a highlight video created in salute of his record-setting performances at the school. It lasts 90 seconds. Included is a touchdown reception McKinley made against Arkansas, which he celebrated by lifting the football straight to the sky.
Even for athletes who rise to the 99.9th percentile of the game they love, sports can't guarantee sustained fame, wealth or happiness. If life is fragile and temporary, then most NFL careers are barely a whispered rumor.
McKinley, who was on injured reserve with the Broncos this season, did hear the roar of the crowd when he returned seven kickoffs and three punts for Denver as a rookie in 2009. Ten touches of the football as an NFL player. That's all.
And now he is gone, leaving too much of a life left undone, without a sound.
Out of respect for McKinley, there will no doubt be a moment of silence when the Broncos play at home this weekend against Indianapolis.
It might be more fitting, however, for 75,000 fans to rise and give McKinley a standing ovation.
In the NFL, the cheers almost always end too soon.
Mark Kiszla: 303-954-1053 or mkiszla@denverpost.com



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azbroncfan
09-21-2010, 07:22 AM
RIP Kenny that is really, really sad. Suicide is so bad for everyone involved. Thoughts and prayers go out to his family.

SoDak Bronco
09-21-2010, 07:26 AM
Heard this song when I was driving this morning. couldn't help but think of Kenny. RIP Kenny, you left us way to early.

http://www.cmt.com/videos/the-band-perry/573064/if-i-die-young.jhtml

broncoblue
09-21-2010, 08:33 AM
speechless ...such a tragic waste of life!

outdoor_miner
09-21-2010, 08:44 AM
I can't stop thinking about the level of despair he must have been feeling to do this with a son in his life. I have a 2 1/2 year old and a 6 month old, and I imagine he felt a similar love that I do... His grief, despair, depression must have been massive to feel that suicide was the only option. I'm not saying this to judge him, but just with immense sadness that a person can feel so bleak.

baja
09-21-2010, 09:02 AM
I can't stop thinking about the level of despair he must have been feeling to do this with a son in his life. I have a 2 1/2 year old and a 6 month old, and I imagine he felt a similar love that I do... His grief, despair, depression must have been massive to feel that suicide was the only option. I'm not saying this to judge him, but just with immense sadness that a person can feel so bleak.


Same here.

This points to just how powerful & individualized each person's perception of reality is.

Try as I may I can not fathom the depth of despair that would prompt this.

I hope the story comes out.

yerner
09-21-2010, 09:37 AM
****ing depression. Darkness Visible.

Dr. Thunder
09-21-2010, 10:10 AM
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Rock Chalk
09-21-2010, 10:12 AM
I can't stop thinking about the level of despair he must have been feeling to do this with a son in his life. I have a 2 1/2 year old and a 6 month old, and I imagine he felt a similar love that I do... His grief, despair, depression must have been massive to feel that suicide was the only option. I'm not saying this to judge him, but just with immense sadness that a person can feel so bleak.

Man, this is exactly how I've felt all day.

LRtagger
09-21-2010, 10:27 AM
So terrible. RIP

Los Broncos
09-21-2010, 10:52 AM
I can't stop thinking about the level of despair he must have been feeling to do this with a son in his life. I have a 2 1/2 year old and a 6 month old, and I imagine he felt a similar love that I do... His grief, despair, depression must have been massive to feel that suicide was the only option. I'm not saying this to judge him, but just with immense sadness that a person can feel so bleak.

Same here, my son is 12 and couldn't leave him alone in this world.

rbackfactory80
09-21-2010, 11:22 AM
Very horrible situation. As bad as it gets there is always an answer, and that is never it. Prayers to his family who will have to carry this with them the rest of their lives. RIP Kenny McKinley.

Bronco Yoda
09-21-2010, 11:35 AM
This is just terrible news. RIP. :(

broncswin
09-21-2010, 11:51 AM
sad day for all...prayers and thoughts to his family and friends.

DenverBrit
09-21-2010, 12:06 PM
Another young man lost before his life really got started. :(

RIP, and sincere condolences to his family.

hookemhess
09-21-2010, 12:44 PM
Send your condolences to his family: http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Send-Your-Condolences/8ff02593-e1a9-47b5-b10b-69af32c64505

Conklin
09-21-2010, 12:49 PM
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manchambo
09-21-2010, 04:50 PM
Obviously an utter tragedy that is likely attributable to a number of factors, with depression a very likely contributor. RIP.

As I've thought about this today, it actually surprises me somewhat that this doesn't happen more often. When you think about it, part of the pre-season and early season process in the NFL consists of shattering bunches of players' lifelong dreams. It has to be immensely difficult to go from being a star athlete to being not good enough for an NFL team. Throw on top of that anticipating for years getting a very high paying job, and then in an instant needing to figure out some way to make a living. And, of course, a lot of young NFL players don't have a whole lot in the way of prospects to earn a good living outside of football. And they often have children to support (as McKinley apparently did) and other family that is anticipating participating in the gravy train.

All of which is to say that, as much as we might view the NFL as a dream job, it is actually an incredibly high pressure business, especially for those on the fringes. It is just not very surprising to me that, if you take a young man who has never failed at anything in his life and tell him he's not good enough, and also take away his opportunity to make a fabulous living, and you combine that with depression, you might see some commit suicide.

Now, it's hard to tell at this point what was going on here. McKinley certainly hadn't failed at the NFL. But it's not hard to imagine that, in his second year on IR, he might have been feeling that his prospects were fairly bleak.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
09-21-2010, 05:21 PM
rip kenny hope you find peace in the afterlife

extralife
09-21-2010, 11:33 PM
It is just not very surprising to me that, <b>if you take a young man who has never failed at anything in his life and tell him he's not good enough</b>, and also take away his opportunity to make a fabulous living, and you combine that with depression, you might see some commit suicide.

This is the important part. People forget that everyone in the NFL, from the superstar down to the guy on the bubble, was a star on his team and in his community for most of if not his entire playing career. McKinnely was the all time receptions leader for an SEC school. That's a big deal. He was a super star QB in high school in the south. That's a big deal. Two years later, he's a 23 year old kid away from his family, stuck on IR, largely isolated from his team, robbed what has sustained and defined him for most of his life, and with zero guarantees of even being in the league by the time he's healthy again. There is a sense of uselessness that can easily develop in this scenario. Loved when your body works, tossed aside when it doesn't. Extreme highs and lows.

I've always thought that one of the appeals of big time sports is how they so directly manifest and magnify the ardors of human life. We all have innumerable points in our life where we know we have to push through, put in some work, persevere, find the answers, strive for glory. Most of these moments are both fleeting and invisible. They come and go sometimes without our even acknowledging them, and almost always without our being able to quantify them. Step on the football field, and these situations become very easy to understand and process. It's third and five, with the game or the season on the line. You have to go HERE and these guys are there to make sure you DON'T. You either succeed or you fail. It's very easy to internalize. And, of course, you have 75,000 in the stands watching you and a million on TV. The emotions of life are heightened and simplified. There is a real, pressing danger to that. People look at a young gifted man with money and talent playing a game he loves and they say--how could he not at least be happy enough to continue living? Well, there's your answer. All our failures are devastating--many of them are more important than the failures of a football player; none of them are as easy to see and measure as a football players. Take away the endless positive reinforcement that follows a kid skilled enough to even get the attention of the NFL in the slightest, and you have a recipe for extreme emotional tumult. It's sad. It's awful.

The MVPlaya
09-21-2010, 11:53 PM
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God bless thank for letting me lay down tonight and get a good rest ..... please keep my follow teammate, brother, friend, kenny in prayers

UberBroncoMan
09-22-2010, 01:51 AM
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What a happy sounding dude. Suicide really made no sense. Woodyard mentioned a cookout of his. Seems he did it in college too.

doof
09-23-2010, 11:36 PM
I'm not sure if this was posted earlier but former Bronco DJ Johnson doesn't believe it's suicide. He makes reference to the city and how athletes are in danger there, not sure what to make of this:


Giants cornerback D.J. Johnson isn't buying the police version that friend and former teammate Kenny McKinley committed suicide this week.

Johnson, a second-year backup who spent time with McKinley on the Broncos' practice squad last season, outlined a murky conspiracy theory yesterday when asked about McKinley's death.

"Something fishy went down there," Johnson said without providing any details. "I don't think it happened the way they're saying it happened. Somebody did something to him."

Police in Arapahoe County, Colo., said McKinley died of a self-inflicted gunshot wound to the head Monday night. Officials there added that McKinley, a wide receiver, had been depressed after undergoing season-ending knee surgery last month.

Johnson told The Post he thinks McKinley might have been murdered because of what he described as a dangerous climate for pro athletes in Denver, especially high-profile Broncos.

There have been several incidents of violence committed against Denver athletes in recent years, notably the drive-by murder of Broncos cornerback Darrent Williams in January 2007.

"In Denver, with [athletes] that are out having fun in the same places as normal people and some convicts, it's going to be an issue because we have the financial backing to have a good time -- buy some bottles [of alcohol] and stuff like that," Johnson said.

"Then there's going to be others come in there and see the women gravitate to that. So they're going to try to match you. . . . That can lead to [violence]."

Johnson also said McKinley would not have killed himself with his 2-year-old son nearby.

"He lived for his son," Johnson said.

http://www.nypost.com/p/sports/giants/giants_cb_bronco_death_was_foul_hb0pFj9oFIUwMnL5I3 Tt6I

ohiobronco2
12-19-2012, 07:37 AM
http://espn.go.com/espn/otl/story/_/id/8758092/kenny-mckinley-oj-murdock-were-college-teammates-big-nfl-dreams-where-did-things-go-wrong

Wow.

DenverBroncosJM
12-19-2012, 08:09 AM
Thanks, that was a good read.

BowlenBall
12-19-2012, 09:09 AM
"Not long after he signed his contract, his agent, Andrew Bondarowicz, worried about McKinley's spending habits. But he couldn't reach out for a couple of reasons. Bondarowicz wasn't certified by the NFLPA as a financial adviser, so he could help only if McKinley asked. And McKinley was prideful. He didn't want anyone to know he was struggling."

This paragraph infuriates me.

If true, then the NFL is culpable in all NFL suicides for banning their agents from giving them financial advice (which is nonsensical).

If false, then **** Bondarowicz for saying it -- if I ever meet that guy, he's getting a right cross to the jaw, without an explanation.

extralife
12-19-2012, 09:17 PM
agents are banned from giving players financial advice because in the past that advice was often something along the lines of "give me your money." there are financial advisors who are certified by the league. in theory these people are vetted.