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epicSocialism4tw
09-20-2010, 10:46 AM
The Good:
Matt Schaub 38/52 497 yds 3 TD 1 INT
Don. McNabb 28/38 428 yds 1 TD 0 INT
Peyton Manning 20/26 255 yds 3 TD 0 INT
Matt Ryan 21/32 225 yds 3 TD 0 INT
Kyle Orton 25/35 307 yds 2 TD 0 INT
Phiilip Rivers 22/29 334yds 3TD 2INT
Mark Sanchez 21/30 220 yds 3 TD 0 INT

The Bad:
Carson Palmer 16/35 167 yds 0 TD 0 INT
Tom Brady 20/36 248 yds 2 TD 2 INT
Eli Manning 13/24 161 yds 2TD 1 INT

The Ugly:
Bret Favre 22/36 225 yds 0 TD 3 INT
Matt Cassell 16/28 176 yds 0TD 2INT
Jason Campbell 8/15 87 yds 0TD 1INT
Joe Flacco 17/39 154 yds 1 TD 4 INT

Tombstone RJ
09-20-2010, 10:49 AM
Kubes turning Schaub into a machine... and Shanny has McNabb looking real good too.

epicSocialism4tw
09-20-2010, 10:53 AM
Kubes turning Schaub into a machine... and Shanny has McNabb looking real good too.

Its strange watching the Redskins run the offense that Shanny ran here in Denver for so many years. McNabb on the bootleg and throwing back across the field. Portis cutting back against zone blocking again. It takes a minute for me to get used to it.

HEAV
09-20-2010, 10:54 AM
Cutler had one of his good days also 21/29 277 3 TDs

Hercules Rockefeller
09-20-2010, 10:55 AM
Love seeing the starters in each of my 2 leagues on the ugly list.

Tombstone RJ
09-20-2010, 10:55 AM
Doesn't Kubes have a winning record coaching against Shanny? Something like 4-1 wins vs. losses?

Popps
09-20-2010, 11:02 AM
Cutler had one of his good days also 21/29 277 3 TDs

If I'm reading it right... Jay Cutler is #1 in QB rating after two weeks.

:spit:

I don't look for that to last. But, to his credit.. he's limited his dumb mistakes in the first two weeks.

Orton is 5th rated with regard to ratings, and I think 6th in yardage... and if he stays healthy, I think he's going to continue to have a season like this.

Chris
09-20-2010, 11:04 AM
Triple Chin is conspicuously absent from your list.

Drunk Monkey
09-20-2010, 11:12 AM
If I'm reading it right... Jay Cutler is #1 in QB rating after two weeks.

:spit:

I don't look for that to last. But, to his credit.. he's limited his dumb mistakes in the first two weeks.

Orton is 5th rated with regard to ratings, and I think 6th in yardage... and if he stays healthy, I think he's going to continue to have a season like this.

I was at the Cowboy's game yesterday. I kept waiting for the red zone pick. I was pretty disappointed when it never came. I feel jilted.

epicSocialism4tw
09-20-2010, 11:12 AM
Triple Chin is conspicuously absent from your list.

I avoided Cutler because I didnt want this to turn into a Cutler thread.

v2micca
09-20-2010, 11:13 AM
Cutler had one of his good days also 21/29 277 3 TDs

I also think Vince Young is missing from the Ugly list. 7 for 10, 66 yards, 2 INTs and 2 Fumbles. Any time your coach pulls you from the game, you belong on the ugly list.

epicSocialism4tw
09-20-2010, 11:15 AM
You guys post 'em if you got 'em.

My list is my list.

Please add your own if you like.

lostknight
09-20-2010, 11:15 AM
If I'm reading it right... Jay Cutler is #1 in QB rating after two weeks.

:spit:

I don't look for that to last. But, to his credit.. he's limited his dumb mistakes in the first two weeks.


Go back to the last two games last season, plus the first two this season, and he has maintained the the 100+ ratings with well over thousand yards in passing, and 1 interception.

Given the number of sacks he has taken, and the usual knock of him making bad decisions when sacked a lot, it seems like he has made the changes to his game that he needed too. I said the second that Chicago picked Martz that Martz and Cutler would work very well together.

The amount of vitriol poured out by the McDanielites on the forum mask a simple truth - Chicago though that Jay Cutler was worth Kyle Orton plus two first round picks. The jury is still out on that, though I would be hard pressed to say they are wrong based only on the first two games of the season.

Remember that McDaniels has a system that is insanely QB friendly - he made Matt Cassell look like Tom Brady. Cutler has _no_ talent around him whatsoever. No real receivers, a horrible o-line. More to the point, Chicago still thinks that Cutler was worth their investment, and by getting top rated (D) players rather then offensive players, doubled down on that investment.

Who will be right in the long run? Let's see how the season unfolds.

Kid A
09-20-2010, 11:23 AM
If I'm reading it right... Jay Cutler is #1 in QB rating after two weeks.

:spit:

I don't look for that to last. But, to his credit.. he's limited his dumb mistakes in the first two weeks.

Orton is 5th rated with regard to ratings, and I think 6th in yardage... and if he stays healthy, I think he's going to continue to have a season like this.

I have to admit, it was especially impressive given he spent the entire first quarter getting absolutely murdered thanks to his non-existent o-line. The Bears o-line is so bad that it is reason enough to suspect Cutler will still have his struggles this year, but I have been pretty surprised how well Martz seems to have done with him so far.

He did a great job changing things up and making the Cowboys pay for putting on pressure. I know it was perceived somewhat as a desperation move (after getting turned down by other candidates), but hiring Martz looks like it will pay off for Chicago.

Beantown Bronco
09-20-2010, 11:29 AM
Cutler has _no_ talent around him whatsoever. No real receivers, a horrible o-line.

Sorry, but a lot of teams would kill to have Knox, Hester and Forte on their teams.

Popps
09-20-2010, 12:06 PM
I avoided Cutler because I didnt want this to turn into a Cutler thread.

Sorry. :)


Cutler will only be an issue around here if Orton has one bad week and Cutler happens to have a good week. Then, the usual suspects will be out doing their thing.

As long as Orton plays like he has been... who cares. We're getting great play at the position and have an intriguing prospect in the wings.

Plus, aside from a few agenda-driven kooks around here... everyone knows our biggest issues have nothing to do with QB.

baja
09-20-2010, 12:38 PM
I have to admit, it was especially impressive given he spent the entire first quarter getting absolutely murdered thanks to his non-existent o-line. The Bears o-line is so bad that it is reason enough to suspect Cutler will still have his struggles this year, but I have been pretty surprised how well Martz seems to have done with him so far.

He did a great job changing things up and making the Cowboys pay for putting on pressure. I know it was perceived somewhat as a desperation move (after getting turned down by other candidates), but hiring Martz looks like it will pay off for Chicago.

We'll see when DCs have some film on him. My guess is they can't keep this up all season.

I watched the second half of that game and Jay looked good but without adding further comment I will just say I am glad we make the trade.

oubronco
09-20-2010, 12:58 PM
If I'm reading it right... Jay Cutler is #1 in QB rating after two weeks.

:spit:

I don't look for that to last. But, to his credit.. he's limited his dumb mistakes in the first two weeks.

Orton is 5th rated with regard to ratings, and I think 6th in yardage... and if he stays healthy, I think he's going to continue to have a season like this.

Your looking kinda stupid right about now eh

rovolution
09-20-2010, 12:58 PM
missing David Garrard from your Ugly list.


He looked atrocious against the Chuggers.

oubronco
09-20-2010, 01:00 PM
Sorry. :)


Cutler will only be an issue around here if Orton has one bad week and Cutler happens to have a good week. Then, the usual suspects will be out doing their thing.
As long as Orton plays like he has been... who cares. We're getting great play at the position and have an intriguing prospect in the wings.

Plus, aside from a few agenda-driven kooks around here... everyone knows our biggest issues have nothing to do with QB.

Kinda like you?

Drek
09-20-2010, 03:51 PM
Go back to the last two games last season, plus the first two this season, and he has maintained the the 100+ ratings with well over thousand yards in passing, and 1 interception.

Given the number of sacks he has taken, and the usual knock of him making bad decisions when sacked a lot, it seems like he has made the changes to his game that he needed too. I said the second that Chicago picked Martz that Martz and Cutler would work very well together.


You do realize you just cherry picked an idealized sample for Cutler, right?

Cutler's problem isn't him getting turnover prone when he gets hit a lot. Its him getting turnover prone in big situations.

Early season game against a team that will help you beat them? He's money. Late season game when the playoffs are on the line? Get ready for a ton of picks.

Ahead or down by 10+ points? Guy is money. Within 3 points? Watch out, he's throwing a red zone pick ASAP.

He's got no clutch instinct to him. He's never raised his game late in the year to propel his team toward anything and instead racks up numbers when early or when his team is eliminated from the playoffs.

So far he's played the Lions and thanks to some huge runs by Forte his stats look pretty. Then he played the Cowboys who look to be having another identity crisis, playing like absolute dog **** yesterday.

Wake me up when he has a good game against the Packers or Vikings in November or December.

Rohirrim
09-20-2010, 03:54 PM
What's with the Cowboys, anyway? All the sports jaw flappers were talking them up big in pre-season, as if they were an easy pick for the SB. Now? I'm guessing that JJ doesn't stick with Wade much longer.

BroncoDoug
09-20-2010, 03:54 PM
I'm in a 2 qb league and I have orton and mcnabb... good day for me.

ChSuperStar
09-20-2010, 03:57 PM
The Good:
Matt Schaub 38/52 497 yds 3 TD 1 INT
Don. McNabb 28/38 428 yds 1 TD 0 INT
Peyton Manning 20/26 255 yds 3 TD 0 INT
Matt Ryan 21/32 225 yds 3 TD 0 INT
Kyle Orton 25/35 307 yds 2 TD 0 INT
Phiilip Rivers 22/29 334yds 3TD 2INT
Mark Sanchez 21/30 220 yds 3 TD 0 INT

The Bad:
Carson Palmer 16/35 167 yds 0 TD 0 INT
Tom Brady 20/36 248 yds 2 TD 2 INT
Eli Manning 13/24 161 yds 2TD 1 INT

The Ugly:
Bret Favre 22/36 225 yds 0 TD 3 INT
Matt Cassell 16/28 176 yds 0TD 2INT
Jason Campbell 8/15 87 yds 0TD 1INT
Joe Flacco 17/39 154 yds 1 TD 4 INT

If you make a report add everyone we care about. I understand you dont want cutler thread, But DG who played us in week 1 and the QB who played us this week MH should be there.

There were lot of QB's benched or injured and back up's were in.. So i dont care about all.. But i care about the guy who they claim we tried to trade for after our HC came here. Anyway Matt Cass, Matt Hass and David Gerr.. all sucked and I dont mind seeing Jay C do well. But i am glad he is not here anymore.

Kubes, is going to make Matt's arm fall off like Jeff going to make CJ's limbs go down.

mr007
09-20-2010, 03:57 PM
Sorry, but a lot of teams would kill to have Knox, Hester and Forte on their teams.

A lot?? Such as? - I can't really think of many teams that have worse options at WR. I'm genuinely curious.

crush17
09-20-2010, 03:57 PM
So much for Jason "The Savior" Campbell eh?

what a joke.

gyldenlove
09-20-2010, 03:58 PM
You guys post 'em if you got 'em.

My list is my list.

Please add your own if you like.

Sure thing.

Pepperoni pizza
Free beer
Sleeping in
Extra legspace
New apples
Juicy T-bone
Fishing
Golf with a few buddies
Yelling at the tv

SouthStndJunkie
09-20-2010, 03:59 PM
You do realize you just cherry picked an idealized sample for Cutler, right?

Cutler's problem isn't him getting turnover prone when he gets hit a lot. Its him getting turnover prone in big situations.

Early season game against a team that will help you beat them? He's money. Late season game when the playoffs are on the line? Get ready for a ton of picks.

Ahead or down by 10+ points? Guy is money. Within 3 points? Watch out, he's throwing a red zone pick ASAP.

He's got no clutch instinct to him. He's never raised his game late in the year to propel his team toward anything and instead racks up numbers when early or when his team is eliminated from the playoffs.

So far he's played the Lions and thanks to some huge runs by Forte his stats look pretty. Then he played the Cowboys who look to be having another identity crisis, playing like absolute dog **** yesterday.

Wake me up when he has a good game against the Packers or Vikings in November or December.

Wake up....

Dec 29th, 2009: 20/35 273 yards 4 TDs 1 INT in a 36-30 OT win over the Vikings.

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Drek
09-20-2010, 04:02 PM
Wake up....

Dec 29th, 2009: 20/35 273 yards 4 TDs 1 INT in a 36-30 OT win over the Vikings.

What where the standings going into that game?

Let me know if I need to look it up for you, because its pretty obvious your reading comprehension sucks. Wouldn't want you to get lost on the interwebs when all these squiggly lines we call words overwhelm you.

Houshyamama
09-20-2010, 04:04 PM
Love seeing the starters in each of my 2 leagues on the ugly list.

You didn't draft Favre did you? :nono:

SouthStndJunkie
09-20-2010, 04:09 PM
What where the standings going into that game?

Let me know if I need to look it up for you, because its pretty obvious your reading comprehension sucks. Wouldn't want you to get lost on the interwebs when all these squiggly lines we call words overwhelm you.

Whatever....your dislike of Cutler obfuscates your ability to admit that he may actually be developing and evolving as a QB.

I've moved on long ago, but it seems as if you are incapable of doing so.

I'm not going to get into a long winded pissing match with you as you can go on and on and on and on.

I'm pleased with the play of our QB....but I'm not going to ask you to bring up some footage of him beating San Diego, Kansas City, or Oakland late in the year, with the playoffs on the line....because I know there is none at this point. I hope there is come November or December.

Houshyamama
09-20-2010, 04:15 PM
Whatever....your dislike of Cutler obfuscates your ability to admit that he may actually be developing and evolving as a QB.

I've moved on long ago, but it seems as if you are incapable of doing so.

I'm not going to get into a long winded pissing match with you as you can go on and on and on and on.

I'm pleased with the play of our QB....but I'm not going to ask you to bring up some footage of him beating Kansas City or Oakland late in the year, with the playoffs on the line....because I know there is none at this point. I hope there is come November or December.

To me, Cutler is very similar to Favre without the ability to play well in big games. He'll fold under duress, I don't hold out high hopes for him.

HILife
09-20-2010, 04:15 PM
The Good:
Matt Schaub 38/52 497 yds 3 TD 1 INT
Don. McNabb 28/38 428 yds 1 TD 0 INT
Peyton Manning 20/26 255 yds 3 TD 0 INT
Matt Ryan 21/32 225 yds 3 TD 0 INT
Kyle Orton 25/35 307 yds 2 TD 0 INT
Phiilip Rivers 22/29 334yds 3TD 2INT
Mark Sanchez 21/30 220 yds 3 TD 0 INT

The Bad:
Carson Palmer 16/35 167 yds 0 TD 0 INT
Tom Brady 20/36 248 yds 2 TD 2 INT
Eli Manning 13/24 161 yds 2TD 1 INT

The Ugly:
Bret Favre 22/36 225 yds 0 TD 3 INT
Matt Cassell 16/28 176 yds 0TD 2INT
Jason Campbell 8/15 87 yds 0TD 1INT
Joe Flacco 17/39 154 yds 1 TD 4 INT

More importanly, a win.

lostknight
09-20-2010, 05:33 PM
You do realize you just cherry picked an idealized sample for Cutler, right?

Nope, I picked the last four games. They happen to be the same, and at least raise the spectre that Cutler is who we thought he was, before someone declared it verboten to think that Cutler might just be a great quarterback.

Would I trade Cutler for two picks in retrospect for two picks, plus Orton and Tebow? Hell yes. But let's be realistic, Cutler has the arm to dominate the leauge, even when he doesn't have the McDaniels system to back him up.


Early season game against a team that will help you beat them? He's money. Late season game when the playoffs are on the line? Get ready for a ton of picks.
[quote]

The minn game last year was huge, and Cutler threw one interception in a long long game. That was late season.

[quote]
Ahead or down by 10+ points? Guy is money. Within 3 points? Watch out, he's throwing a red zone pick ASAP.

All four of thoose games were tight, IIRC.


Wake me up when he has a good game against the Packers or Vikings in November or December.

Wake up, because one of the four was against the Vikings in December ;-)

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/nfl/gameflash/2009/12/28/3613_recap.html

This is what I am talking about, talking points and preconceptions instead of analysis.

lostknight
09-20-2010, 05:36 PM
Sorry, but a lot of teams would kill to have Knox, Hester and Forte on their teams.

Just curious, have you ever watched a Chicago game, or do you just take the Orangemane at face value? Knox and Hester have hands that make Daniel Graham look like Shannon Sharpe. Hester was even "demoted" back to returning as his primary job.

I like Knox, but he really only had one good game. The fact that you didn't mention Aromashodu as the only decent receiver makes me suspect that you stopped watching after the first few games.

Hulamau
09-20-2010, 05:56 PM
If I'm reading it right... Jay Cutler is #1 in QB rating after two weeks.

:spit:

I don't look for that to last. But, to his credit.. he's limited his dumb mistakes in the first two weeks.

Orton is 5th rated with regard to ratings, and I think 6th in yardage... and if he stays healthy, I think he's going to continue to have a season like this.

Thats the beauty of it NO matter how well Cutler plays or not, no one here is really missing him. Certainly not the team. Looks like Martz run and gun style of offense is well suited to Jay, whereas Josh's more complex offense may not have fit him so well?

I doubt Cutlers INT rates stay low all year but he does seem more comfortable in year two .. no surprise there. And Martz is head and shoulders better OC than that joke Turner.

So all the Jay love boys and gals can still celebrate his good games without truning it into an Orton hate fest. We've got our own QB playing at a Pro Bowl calibre level so far, thank you very much. :twokisses

wandlc
09-20-2010, 09:42 PM
Thats the beauty of it NO matter how well Cutler plays or not, no one here is really missing him. Certainly not the team. Looks like Martz run and gun style of offense is well suited to Jay, whereas Josh's more complex offense may not have fit him so well?



You've got to be kidding, McD's offense is no more complex than Martz's.

colonelbeef
09-20-2010, 09:45 PM
Triple Chin is conspicuously absent from your list.

that's not triple chin, that's just double neck.

footstepsfrom#27
09-20-2010, 11:14 PM
Sorry, but a lot of teams would kill to have Knox, Hester and Forte on their teams.
Greg Olsen can play as well.

TheReverend
09-20-2010, 11:18 PM
I avoided Cutler because I didnt want this to turn into a Cutler thread.

Lol... you even went out of your way to avoid it and BAM.

This is insane!

ZONA
09-20-2010, 11:21 PM
Kyle Orton 25/35 307 yds 2 TD 0 INT



I'll take that every week. Keep it Kyle.

SoCalBronco
09-20-2010, 11:27 PM
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/2009/09/custom_1251906054043_cutler1.jpg

Beast.

vancejohnson82
09-21-2010, 12:25 AM
A lot?? Such as? - I can't really think of many teams that have worse options at WR. I'm genuinely curious.

i thought before the season started a lot of people were laughing at us trotting Royal, Gaffney and Lloyd out there...i thought we had the "worst" WR corp