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bronco0608
09-17-2010, 07:02 PM
Alphonso Smith Article:


Alphonso Smith understands, probably better than most, the power of perception.

In Denver, Smith, a second-round pick in 2009, was perceived as an underachiever. He was perceived as someone who maybe didn't work hard enough, as someone who because of where he was drafted maybe carried a sense of entitlement. He was perceived as too small (5-foot-9) to be a starting cornerback. He was perceived, ultimately, as a bust.


Thus, the Broncos traded Smith -- for whom they traded a first-round pick in 2010 for the right to move up and select -- to the Lions on Saturday for tight end Dan Gronkowski, a fourth-string tight end taken 255th in 2008.

"I was shocked," Smith said Monday. "If I said I wasn't, I'd be lying to you."

But the more he thought about it, the more he made sense of what happened, and he's grateful for the chance to form new perceptions.

"It's really good to have a clean slate," he said. "I allowed certain individuals back in Denver to form a perception of me, and I paid for it. Hence, the trade. So it's really good for me and my family to be in a new place and in a new town with new teammates just to try to start it all over again."

Smith didn't blame anybody but himself for the negative perceptions in Denver.

"You allow it," he said. "Just in the way you carry yourself around the facility, the way you practice, the way you play. There are a lot of things that go into helping someone form a perception of you, a perception you don't want to give off. Even if it wasn't the case, it's still a perception that you gave them the room to make."



From The Detroit News: http://www.detnews.com/article/20100907/SPORTS0101/9070354/1126/SPORTS/Alphonso-Smith-looks-for-a-new-start-with-the-Lions#ixzz0zqIVenZ3 (http://www.detnews.com/article/20100907/SPORTS0101/9070354/1126/SPORTS/Alphonso-Smith-looks-for-a-new-start-with-the-Lions#ixzz0zqIVenZ3)





Position:
TE Class:
Senior School:
Maryland Conference:
ACC Ht., Wt.:
6-5.5, 254 40 Time:
4.71

BIOGRAPHY: Three-year starter who posted career numbers of 29/287/3 as a senior after junior totals of seven receptions and 66 receiving yards.

POSITIVES: Nice-sized tight end prospect who plays much faster than his forty time. Quickly gets off the snap into routes, displays a burst of speed, and extends his hands to make the reception away from his frame. Gets vertical and adjusts in midair to come down with the difficult catch. Uses his frame to shield away opponents and protect the pass. Smooth moving around the field, and shows a good degree of quickness in his all-around game. Breaks down well, and plays with good knee bend. Solid strength at the point, and removes linebackers from the action.

NEGATIVES: Inconsistent hands and does not show the ability to pluck the fastball from the air. Lacks blocking balance and does not finish blocks.

ANALYSIS: Gronkowski is a terrific athlete with a lot of upside potential. He's could quickly find a home as a second tight end in the NFL, and he has all the tools necessary to develop into a number one at the position.
PROJECTION: Third/Fourth Round



Read more: http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/football/2009/draft/players/5119.html#ixzz0zqHgdHiI

Even though he fell in the draft, at least some scouts were very high on him coming out of school. It is especially nice to know that he has all the tools necessary to be a number one tight end.

So all in all, getting him back in the Alphonso Smith debacle wasn't that bad.

gunns
09-17-2010, 07:31 PM
At least he recognizes he was the problem.

Br0nc0Buster
09-17-2010, 07:38 PM
I think it was Kaylore who said Smith seemed to dog it in practice when he went to watch

I seem to think something like that is what soured the coaches on him
Teams dont get rid of 2nd round draft picks a year later very often,and it was especially since he looked like he had improved

Maybe a fresh start is all he needed, too bad it didnt work out here
oh well lets see what his TE can do

Lev Vyvanse
09-17-2010, 07:46 PM
Alphonso Smith Article:


Alphonso Smith understands, probably better than most, the power of perception.

In Denver, Smith, a second-round pick in 2009, was perceived as too small (5-foot-9) to be a starting cornerback.

That's a strange perception to have of someone you drafted in the second round.

bronco0608
09-17-2010, 07:56 PM
That's a strange perception to have of someone you drafted in the second round.

Javiar Arenas is the same height and he was taken in the second round. With teams going to more three wide receiver sets, you need a slot cover corner to stay with the Wes Welkers, Austin Collies, Eddie Royals, and Desean Jacksons of the game. Shorter, quick-twitch cover corners become more valuable.

The issue wasn't the selection of a short cover corner in the 2nd round, but his untimely demise in Denver due to work ethic and attitude issues. That's the problem.

bronco militia
09-17-2010, 08:01 PM
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Bronco Boy
09-17-2010, 08:03 PM
There are and have been a lot of successful CB's that are Smith's height.

Lev Vyvanse
09-17-2010, 08:08 PM
Javiar Arenas is the same height and he was taken in the second round. With teams going to more three wide receiver sets, you need a slot cover corner to stay with the Wes Welkers, Austin Collies, Eddie Royals, and Desean Jacksons of the game. Shorter, quick-twitch cover corners become more valuable.

The issue wasn't the selection of a short cover corner in the 2nd round, but his untimely demise in Denver due to work ethic and attitude issues. That's the problem.

Darrent Williams was 5-8. My perception is the author has no ****ing clue as to what the perception is in Denver.

Naggle Nole
09-17-2010, 08:46 PM
For Smith's sake, I hope that he has learned his lesson that nothing is promised to you in this league
For our sake, I hope Gronkowski and Quinn both fully develop and become versatile, contributing members of this football team moving forward

Br0nc0Buster
09-17-2010, 09:07 PM
Javiar Arenas is the same height and he was taken in the second round. With teams going to more three wide receiver sets, you need a slot cover corner to stay with the Wes Welkers, Austin Collies, Eddie Royals, and Desean Jacksons of the game. Shorter, quick-twitch cover corners become more valuable.

The issue wasn't the selection of a short cover corner in the 2nd round, but his untimely demise in Denver due to work ethic and attitude issues. That's the problem.

Arenas wasnt drafted for his coverage skills though
he was drafted that high because of his special teams potential
not saying Smith cant become a good player, but those two were drafted for different purposes

Kaylore
09-17-2010, 09:23 PM
It wasn't just me. Oskie saw the same things. Oskie coaches and there's nothing that pisses of a coach more than a lack hustle.

spdirty
09-17-2010, 09:32 PM
Couldnt give a damn less about Alphonso. Though if he turns into a good player I'll really hate him.

Popps
09-17-2010, 09:34 PM
Yea, it wasn't Smith's size... and he was plenty productive in college.

I guess he just thought he could walk into the NFL and play like he did in school.

KipCorrington25
09-17-2010, 10:35 PM
Alphonso Smith who, last year, according too media reports couldn't grasp the special teams duties, you know like catch the ball and run really fast either left or right... this move will define the McDaniels fiasco when he's fired in a year or two.

TomServo
09-17-2010, 11:36 PM
i think he wont play in the nfl is because he cant play in the nfl simple as that. the backup to sheff we got will probably never play in the nfl either i thought Mcd could pick character players and get them to play for him?
nfl college scouts are about as good as the clowns in washington DC. they still find work and get paid no matter how crappy a job they do.
they just replayed the top ten undrafted players on NFL network (Rod Smith was top10)

Popps
09-17-2010, 11:38 PM
Shanahan had been drafting for years and still took guys like Travis McGriff, Willie Middlebrooks and Mo Clarett.

It's not a science, folks. McDaniels and Co. swung and missed on a guy in their first NFL draft. It'll happen again.

Get over it.

TomServo
09-18-2010, 12:07 AM
Shanahan had been drafting for years and still took guys like Travis McGriff, Willie Middlebrooks and Mo Clarett.

It's not a science, folks. McDaniels and Co. swung and missed on a guy in their first NFL draft. It'll happen again.

Get over it.

shannys 14 years vs. Mcds 2.
Mcd cant afford two botched drafts in his first two years. 1st rounders must make an impact. alphonse prolly cant play in the nfl. knowshon has No passing gear. tebow wont be ready until 2012. the goodmans Rocked drafting (FINALLY) and Mcd dismissed them.
Mcd botched more drafts in two years than shanny did in 14 years.

serious hops
09-18-2010, 12:50 AM
Mcd botched more drafts in two years than shanny did in 14 years.

Hyperbole much?

LOL

TomServo
09-18-2010, 12:52 AM
Hyperbole much?

please elaborate

TomServo
09-18-2010, 12:52 AM
alphonse?
knowshon?

TomServo
09-18-2010, 12:53 AM
tebow wont start til 2012? hyperbole
much?

Chris
09-18-2010, 01:35 AM
hyperbolic chamber

TomServo
09-18-2010, 01:42 AM
hyperbolic chamber.l I guess im waiting? Chris hahaha

watermock
09-18-2010, 01:48 AM
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Boomhauer
09-18-2010, 02:17 AM
There are and have been a lot of successful CB's that are Smith's height.

But they probably had speed and skill. Smith is a small, slow, ineffective CB that played man-coverage well in college, but shouldn't have been a first day draft pick.

Is he still the 5th CB in Det, or has he moved in front of their undrafted rookie?

v2micca
09-18-2010, 04:44 AM
Shanahan had been drafting for years and still took guys like Travis McGriff, Willie Middlebrooks and Mo Clarett.

It's not a science, folks. McDaniels and Co. swung and missed on a guy in their first NFL draft. It'll happen again.

Get over it.


True, Shanahan's failures in the draft are many and varied. It does seem like he never fully mastered it. And as soon as his teams stopped making the playoffs regularly, it was a great enough fault to show him the door.

I would love to be wrong, but I don't see the Broncos winning 2 superbowls in McDaniel's first four years as head coach. So, he's probably going to get a shorter leash than Shanahan did. McDaniel's isn't inheriting a hall of fame quarterback and tight end who helped revolutionize the position. So he doesn't get the same luxury of blowing first round picks if he wants to build a winning team.

I'm still taking a wait and see approach. But if McDaniels has failed to get the team over 500 in a season by the end of his third year, I'll probably get on the fire McDaniels bandwagon at that time.

Hulamau
09-19-2010, 01:55 AM
Yea, it wasn't Smith's size... and he was plenty productive in college.

I guess he just thought he could walk into the NFL and play like he did in school.

I was hoping for the best but cringed in his post draft presser when he said he was going to be "Baby Champ" .. knowing that was just drawing a target on his back as a hotrod who thought more highly of himself than likely any of het other vets would. At least until he could prove he deserved the rep.

fontaine
09-19-2010, 03:37 AM
Shanahan had been drafting for years and still took guys like Travis McGriff, Willie Middlebrooks and Mo Clarett.

It's not a science, folks. McDaniels and Co. swung and missed on a guy in their first NFL draft. It'll happen again.

Get over it.

Shanahan also drafted TD, Orlandis Gary, Al Wilson, Mike Anderson, Reggie Hayward, Portis, DJ, Foxworth, DWill, Dumervil, Marshall etc.

Meanwhile McDaniel's 2nd round pick is still learning how to line up in the right formation.

So maybe we hold off on the draft comparisons until McDaniels drafts his first pro-bowler.

Mogulseeker
09-19-2010, 04:03 AM
Alright, I'l do it:

Middlebrooks, Nash, Toveissie, Foster, Clarrett, Lelie, Crowder, Moss (verdict still out, not good).... I could go on.

The verdict is still out on Moreno, but he is definitely not the problem. Ayers has looked really godo in preseason and in game one.

Also, I might understand "TomServo" more if he spoke English.

Mogulseeker
09-19-2010, 04:08 AM
Shanahan also drafted TD, Orlandis Gary, Al Wilson, Mike Anderson, Reggie Hayward, Portis, DJ, Foxworth, DWill, Dumervil, Marshall etc.

Meanwhile McDaniel's 2nd round pick is still learning how to line up in the right formation.

So maybe we hold off on the draft comparisons until McDaniels drafts his first pro-bowler.

You don't draft a player and have him make the Pro Bowl his rookie year, BTW.

Boomhauer
09-19-2010, 04:27 AM
You don't draft a player and have him make the Pro Bowl his rookie year, BTW.

http://multimedia.heraldinteractive.com/images/ae01d9f2a3_probowl.jpg

*WARHORSE*
09-19-2010, 04:32 AM
I seemed to notice the same lame effort in the last game he played when he intercepted that pass and went to run it back against the Vikings.

In running it back, he seemed to be giving it a half effort and seemed more concerned about looking cool instead of blazing it into the endzone.

Too fly McSpry...........goodbye.

fontaine
09-19-2010, 05:36 AM
You don't draft a player and have him make the Pro Bowl his rookie year, BTW.

No, under Shanahan they just competed for offensive/defensive rookie of the year awards in TD, Anderson, Portis, Clady, DJ.

But then again, I'm not the one that made the comparison between the two coaches. It justs gets kind of lame when people defend Josh's mistakes by citing Shanahan's as if that's some sort of excuse.

colonelbeef
09-19-2010, 05:39 AM
shannys 14 years vs. Mcds 2.
Mcd cant afford two botched drafts in his first two years. 1st rounders must make an impact. alphonse prolly cant play in the nfl. knowshon has No passing gear. tebow wont be ready until 2012. the goodmans Rocked drafting (FINALLY) and Mcd dismissed them.
Mcd botched more drafts in two years than shanny did in 14 years.

Yep. Poops comparing 3rd and 4th round misses by Shanahan to Mcdaniels' 1st round blunders is laughable at best.

2 years, 2 massively ****edup drafts. Anytime we want an excuse for McDaniels errors, we just have to look to the orangemane I guess

sixtimeseight
09-19-2010, 06:40 AM
shannys 14 years vs. Mcds 2.
Mcd cant afford two botched drafts in his first two years. 1st rounders must make an impact. alphonse prolly cant play in the nfl. knowshon has No passing gear. tebow wont be ready until 2012. the goodmans Rocked drafting (FINALLY) and Mcd dismissed them.
Mcd botched more drafts in two years than shanny did in 14 years.

The Goodmans must have had no trouble at all finding another job, what with how good they were at drafting, right? Oh wait, they're out of the league? Dumb clown.

RunSilentRunDeep
09-19-2010, 07:10 AM
shannys 14 years vs. Mcds 2.
Mcd cant afford two botched drafts in his first two years. 1st rounders must make an impact. alphonse prolly cant play in the nfl. knowshon has No passing gear. tebow wont be ready until 2012. the goodmans Rocked drafting (FINALLY) and Mcd dismissed them.
Mcd botched more drafts in two years than shanny did in 14 years.

You only seem to remember the 2006 draft. Here are the Shanny Fails by year. I removed all the 6th & 7th rounder to play fair, except for 2003, when he missed on all 10 picks.

2008
Rnd Name College Note
4 Kory Lichtensteiger, Bowling Green
4 Jack Williams, Kent State
5 Ryan Torain, Arizona State
5 Carlton Powell, Virginia Tech


2007
Rnd Name College Note
1 Jarvis Moss, Florida
2 Tim Crowder, Texas

2005
Rnd Name College Note

3 Karl Paymah, Washington State
3 Domonique Foxworth, Maryland
3 Maurice Clarett, Ohio State


2004
Rnd Name College Note
2 Darius Watts, Marshall
3 Jeremy LeSueur, Michigan
5 Jeff Shoate, San Diego State


2003
Rnd Name College Note
1 George Foster, Georgia
2 Terry Pierce, Kansas State
4 Quentin Griffin, Oklahoma
4 Nicholas Eason, Clemson
4 Bryant McNeal, Clemson
5 Ben Claxton, Mississippi
5 Adrian Madise, Texas Christian
6 Aaron Hunt, Texas Tech
7 Clint Mitchell, Florida
7 Ahmaad Galloway, Alabama

2002
Rnd Name College Note
1 Ashley Lelie, Hawaii
3 Dorsett Davis, Mississippi State
4 Sam Brandon, UNLV
5 Herb Haygood, Michigan State


2001
Rnd Name College Note
1 Willie Middlebrooks, Minnesota
2 Paul Toviessi, Marshall
4 Nick Harris, California


2000
Rnd Name College Note
1 Deltha O'Neal, California
3 Chris Cole, Texas A&M
4 Jerry Johnson, Florida State
4 Cooper Carlisle, Florida
5 Muneer Moore, Richmond


1999
Rnd Name College Note
2 Lennie Friedman, Duke
3 Chris Watson, Eastern Illinois
3 Travis McGriff, Florida
5 David Bowens, Western Illinois
5 Darwin Brown, Texas Tech


1998
Rnd Name College Note
1 Marcus Nash, Tennessee
4 Curtis Alexander, Alabama
5 Chris Howard, Michigan


1997
Rnd Name College Note
4 Cory Gilliard, Ball State

1996
Rnd Name College Note
3 Mark Campbell, Florida
4 Jeff Lewis, Northern Arizona
4 Darius Johnson, Oklahoma
5 Patrick Jeffers, Virginia

Lev Vyvanse
09-19-2010, 07:38 AM
Wow. With all that fail he must have been great in free agency.

NYBronco
09-19-2010, 07:57 AM
The Goodmans must have had no trouble at all finding another job, what with how good they were at drafting, right? Oh wait, they're out of the league? Dumb clown.

As soon as Shanahan finds out their available he's likely to get them into the Redskins organization. :wiggle:

baja
09-19-2010, 08:16 AM
WOW! post#36

Seeing all the Shanny misses together like that makes me wonder how we ever won a game.

It's scary to think what Shanny will do coupled with a GM that knows how to acquire talent.

If only Pat had said after the 2003 draft abortion, " Mike we're bringing in a real GM focus on coaching."

Flex Gunmetal
09-19-2010, 09:59 AM
please elaborate

Do you not know what hyperbole means? Put next to your quote it makes perfect sense.