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montrose
09-17-2010, 06:30 PM
I was thinking about this while looking through the most recent McD thread. Lets say at year's end he's canned and a new coach is brought in (unlikely but just consider it). How does the Mane react?

Do Mock and Jhns suddenty become the world's biggest fanboys for whomever is brought in? Do Tsiguy and Baja instantly hate this new coach and trash everything he does that flies in the face of McD, meanwhile becoming fans of whatever team McD goes to? And does Taco (and others) now hate BOTH McD and the new coach because they're still mad Shanny was fired and think the '08 Broncos were on their way to greatness? Is there any coach that can bring peace? Gary Kubiak? Kyle Shanahan? Would a firing of McD unite the Mane behind the new coach? Or prehaps unite it in hate behind him? It's facinating to consider...

Dagmar
09-17-2010, 06:35 PM
The 'Mane will forever be divided. Maybe who's in what camp will change, but for me Cutler vs Plummer, then keep Shanny vs don't keep Shanny after the "keeping slowik" announcement...

When something happens, slowly the groups will form and away we go.

theAPAOps5
09-17-2010, 06:38 PM
The more things change regarding the the Broncos the more things stay the same here. People will bitch people will fight and lines will be drawn!

baja
09-17-2010, 06:41 PM
I was thinking about this while looking through the most recent McD thread. Lets say at year's end he's canned and a new coach is brought in (unlikely but just consider it). How does the Mane react?

Do Mock and Jhns suddenty become the world's biggest fanboys for whomever is brought in? Do Tsiguy and Baja instantly hate this new coach and trash everything he does that flies in the face of McD, meanwhile becoming fans of whatever team McD goes to? And does Taco (and others) now hate BOTH McD and the new coach because they're still mad Shanny was fired and think the '08 Broncos were on their way to greatness? Is there any coach that can bring peace? Gary Kubiak? Kyle Shanahan? Would a firing of McD unite the Mane behind the new coach? Or prehaps unite it in hate behind him? It's facinating to consider...

I can't speak for anyone else but I would begin to manufacture reasons why McFail needed to be fired. Proclaim Pat a gutsy genius. Claim the new coach will be voted coach of the year and go 10 & 6

gyldenlove
09-17-2010, 06:47 PM
I was thinking about this while looking through the most recent McD thread. Lets say at year's end he's canned and a new coach is brought in (unlikely but just consider it). How does the Mane react?

Do Mock and Jhns suddenty become the world's biggest fanboys for whomever is brought in? Do Tsiguy and Baja instantly hate this new coach and trash everything he does that flies in the face of McD, meanwhile becoming fans of whatever team McD goes to? And does Taco (and others) now hate BOTH McD and the new coach because they're still mad Shanny was fired and think the '08 Broncos were on their way to greatness? Is there any coach that can bring peace? Gary Kubiak? Kyle Shanahan? Would a firing of McD unite the Mane behind the new coach? Or prehaps unite it in hate behind him? It's facinating to consider...

Well initially it would be like suicide watch I am sure.

Honestly some people are always going to gripe, I am sure a few of the people who dislike Mcdaniels for whatever reason will come around to another coach and jump on the bandwagon. I am sure some of the supporters would be upset too, just like some people were upset with Shanny getting canned.

Honestly, the only coach I think could bring some form of peace would be someone with no NFL ties, if you bring in someone with previous NFL experience there will always be some animosity there, it would be really bad if you brought in someone who has connections to either Shanny or McD, say a Nolan or Kubiak. I suppose hiring Taco as the head coach might get most people (except Popps) on board.

gyldenlove
09-17-2010, 06:49 PM
The more things change regarding the the Broncos the more things stay the same here. People will b**** people will fight and lines will be drawn!

It is interesting to speculate how the groups will divide though, imagine a guy like tsi not spewing sunshine and butterflies about every single move the team makes or someone like punisher actually finding the will to live again.

Try to imagine which camp you will be in and who might be there with you.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-17-2010, 06:51 PM
http://i611.photobucket.com/albums/tt192/djeumdewq/george-eating-popcorn.gif

KipCorrington25
09-17-2010, 06:57 PM
Happy?

lookin' glass
09-17-2010, 06:57 PM
Mickless?!?

OBF1
09-17-2010, 06:57 PM
Could it really become a bigger crap hole than it is now??? No wonder so many of the old school posters have left.

gyldenlove
09-17-2010, 07:01 PM
Could it really become a bigger crap hole than it is now??? No wonder so many of the old school posters have left.

Remember, no matter how bad things smell now, it can always get worse.

Taco John
09-17-2010, 07:02 PM
I suppose hiring Taco as the head coach might get most people (except Popps) on board.


Socal would be Offensive Coordinator. Mediator12 defensive coordinator. Kaylore gets offensive line coach. Popps gets Dline coach.

We'll take a poll to determine our draft and free agent priorities. It'll be a Broncos utopia.

TailgateNut
09-17-2010, 07:02 PM
Could it really become a bigger crap hole than it is now??? No wonder so many of the old school posters have left.


I'm beginning to wonder why the **** I ever ventured in here, and why I stayed.

...and to answeer your question: YES it can.

orinjkrush
09-17-2010, 07:04 PM
Bill Cowhers anyone?

vanbrugh
09-17-2010, 07:05 PM
A gutless and drunk question!

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 07:09 PM
Oh man that's a terrible thought to ponder... It's a fantastic thread idea, and I can't wait to watch this one. Label me as "no comment" and let's hope he really gets the staff and the team in order and the Denver Broncos become a well oiled machine by Sunday.

Dagmar
09-17-2010, 07:10 PM
http://strangebeaver.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/crazy/8.jpg

Dagmar
09-17-2010, 07:12 PM
Socal would be Offensive Coordinator. Mediator12 defensive coordinator. Kaylore gets offensive line coach. Popps gets Dline coach.

We'll take a poll to determine our draft and free agent priorities. It'll be a Broncos utopia.

He'd try and trade for Cutler back. Nooooooooooooooo!!

Taco John
09-17-2010, 07:12 PM
I'm not sure why anyone thinks any of this is new. Back when we opened, the fan base was split on Griese, and argued incessantly about it then. Then it was Plummer. Then it was Coyer. Now it's Josh.

Posters come and go. The log out button is easy to access for anyone who thinks this place isn't worth their time. Whenever someone complains about this place, they just come across as an internet lightweight.

The only real differenve between earlier times and now is that we're in the middle of the worst losing streak in Orange Mane history. I'm not sure why anyone would imagine that this place would be smiley and happy through it.

Suck it up whiners. This community will get through this era, win or lose, and will survive to argue about the next one.

WABronco
09-17-2010, 07:13 PM
LULZ nice pic

Dagmar
09-17-2010, 07:14 PM
I'm not sure why anyone thinks any of this is new. Back when we opened, the fan base was split on Griese, and argued incessantly about it then. Then it was Plummer. Then it was Coyer. Now it's Josh.

Posters come and go. The log out button is easy to access for anyone who thinks this place isn't worth their time. Whenever someone complains about this place, they just come across as an internet lightweight.

The only real differenve between earlier times and now is that we're in the middle of the worst losing streak in Orange Mane history. I'm not sure why anyone would imagine that this place would be smiley and happy through it.

Suck it up whiners.

Winning cures everything! :afro:

WABronco
09-17-2010, 07:15 PM
I'm not sure why anyone thinks any of this is new. Back when we opened, the fan base was split on Griese, and argued incessantly about it then. Then it was Plummer. Then it was Coyer. Now it's Josh.

Posters come and go. The log out button is easy to access for anyone who thinks this place isn't worth their time. Whenever someone complains about this place, they just come across as an internet lightweight.

The only real differenve between earlier times and now is that we're in the middle of the worst losing streak in Orange Mane history. I'm not sure why anyone would imagine that this place would be smiley and happy through it.

Suck it up whiners.

Pretty much.

People are always gonna be on one side of the fence or another. Except me. I'm one even-keeled mother trucker.

OBF1
09-17-2010, 07:21 PM
Winning cures everything! :afro:

Not really, You had a bunch of McDaniels haters waiting for us to lose last year when we started.

TJ... log out this biotch.

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 07:23 PM
I've often thought what it would have been like if the Mane was around when Reeves drafted Maddox.

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 07:24 PM
I'm not sure why anyone thinks any of this is new. Back when we opened, the fan base was split on Griese, and argued incessantly about it then. Then it was Plummer. Then it was Coyer. Now it's Josh.

Posters come and go. The log out button is easy to access for anyone who thinks this place isn't worth their time. Whenever someone complains about this place, they just come across as an internet lightweight.

The only real differenve between earlier times and now is that we're in the middle of the worst losing streak in Orange Mane history. I'm not sure why anyone would imagine that this place would be smiley and happy through it.

Suck it up whiners. This community will get through this era, win or lose, and will survive to argue about the next one.

This

WolfpackGuy
09-17-2010, 07:25 PM
What about all the "Happy Meal" name changes?

Those alone might crash the server.

TonyR
09-17-2010, 07:31 PM
Bill Cowhers anyone?

There's more than one Bill Cowher?

Mr. Elway
09-17-2010, 07:32 PM
The narcissism of minor differences. People with much in common find little things to argue about.

WolfpackGuy
09-17-2010, 07:37 PM
<img src=http://www.bestweekever.tv/bwe/images/2009/01/Picture%206.png width=300>

theAPAOps5
09-17-2010, 07:44 PM
Bill Cowhers anyone?

Um yeah, NO. I don't think he is as good a coach as people give him credit for. What sealed to deal for me on why I hate his whiney ass is when he publicly called out Shanny for cut blocking. Dude is a hypocrite and when Shanny took the media into the tape room and proceeded to own his bitch ass by showing tape of the Steelers doing the same thing he never even apologized.

That guy sucks.

TailgateNut
09-17-2010, 07:47 PM
I'm not sure why anyone thinks any of this is new. Back when we opened, the fan base was split on Griese, and argued incessantly about it then. Then it was Plummer. Then it was Coyer. Now it's Josh.

Posters come and go. The log out button is easy to access for anyone who thinks this place isn't worth their time. Whenever someone complains about this place, they just come across as an internet lightweight.

The only real differenve between earlier times and now is that we're in the middle of the worst losing streak in Orange Mane history. I'm not sure why anyone would imagine that this place would be smiley and happy through it.

Suck it up whiners. This community will get through this era, win or lose, and will survive to argue about the next one.

I guess that's a reponse one would expect from the "landlord".

We may have had differences of opinion in the beginning, but we didn't have "fans" wishing that the team would crash and burn to validate their thoughts.

lostknight
09-17-2010, 08:09 PM
I was thinking about this while looking through the most recent McD thread. Lets say at year's end he's canned and a new coach is brought in (unlikely but just consider it). How does the Mane react?

Do Mock and Jhns suddenty become the world's biggest fanboys for whomever is brought in? Do Tsiguy and Baja instantly hate this new coach and trash everything he does that flies in the face of McD, meanwhile becoming fans of whatever team McD goes to? And does Taco (and others) now hate BOTH McD and the new coach because they're still mad Shanny was fired and think the '08 Broncos were on their way to greatness? Is there any coach that can bring peace? Gary Kubiak? Kyle Shanahan? Would a firing of McD unite the Mane behind the new coach? Or prehaps unite it in hate behind him? It's facinating to consider...

More then likely, mostly everyone takes the new dove valley talking points and demonizes Josh and his players the way shanny, cutler and company were demonized. Just about the only one fans agree on would be cubes, but the only scenario we get him (fail yet again for playoffs).

It must not come to this though. A change would be disastrous at this stage.

Taco John
09-17-2010, 08:50 PM
I guess that's a reponse one would expect from the "landlord".

We may have had differences of opinion in the beginning, but we didn't have "fans" wishing that the team would crash and burn to validate their thoughts.



I dont know that we have that now. Even still, that wouldn't matter if we were anywhere approaching .500 in our last dozen games. This is why an anti-Shanahan contingency never really took a foothold here until after he was dismissed.

Winning cures all.

spdirty
09-17-2010, 09:18 PM
If this coach doesnt win some ****ing games soon this board will be almost united to show him the door. 9 of 11 is total ****ing bull****. I dont care what people say about his "promise" or the fact that he is a great Xs and Os guy. I'm not a great Xs and Os guy, but 1 thing I sure as **** know is that we need 11 men on the ****in field every ****in play.

If this guy doesnt start winning some games and keeps making us look like laughingstocks then soon he starts to approach TaLkins territory in my book. I'm sick of the excuses.

spdirty
09-17-2010, 09:23 PM
A change would be disastrous at this stage.

How about a nice change that we start winning some ****ing ball games? 2 wins in 11 months is flat ****ing unacceptable.

spdirty
09-17-2010, 09:23 PM
I dont know that we have that now. Even still, that wouldn't matter if we were anywhere approaching .500 in our last dozen games. This is why an anti-Shanahan contingency never really took a foothold here until after he was dismissed.

Winning cures all.

yep.

bronco610
09-17-2010, 09:29 PM
Wow, some of you people have way too much time on your hands !!!

broncosteven
09-17-2010, 09:31 PM
I was thinking about this while looking through the most recent McD thread. Lets say at year's end he's canned and a new coach is brought in (unlikely but just consider it). How does the Mane react?

Do Mock and Jhns suddenty become the world's biggest fanboys for whomever is brought in? Do Tsiguy and Baja instantly hate this new coach and trash everything he does that flies in the face of McD, meanwhile becoming fans of whatever team McD goes to? And does Taco (and others) now hate BOTH McD and the new coach because they're still mad Shanny was fired and think the '08 Broncos were on their way to greatness? Is there any coach that can bring peace? Gary Kubiak? Kyle Shanahan? Would a firing of McD unite the Mane behind the new coach? Or prehaps unite it in hate behind him? It's facinating to consider...

Which mCd thread? Did I miss some Epic InTERnets?

montrose
09-17-2010, 10:01 PM
I guess that's a reponse one would expect from the "landlord".

We may have had differences of opinion in the beginning, but we didn't have "fans" wishing that the team would crash and burn to validate their thoughts.

This is the part that blows me away and I think it is absolutly true. If the Broncos get worked Sunday, there will be certain posters who can't wait, be almost giddy, to get to their computers and proclaim themselves correct. The day Alphonso was traded and officially defined a bust was a glorious day for some as they were validated opposed to being a dissapointing the way when Nash, Middlebrooks or Moss were defined with the same term. It was victory for these posters because they were RIGHT! They protect themselves with the simple statement "I hope I'm wrong." So if the team does well, they can play that card and if the team doesn't - they were right (which is far more important of course).

I dont know that we have that now. Even still, that wouldn't matter if we were anywhere approaching .500 in our last dozen games. This is why an anti-Shanahan contingency never really took a foothold here until after he was dismissed.

Winning cures all.

I don't know Taco, there was still an anti-McD sentiment (at least around town) when they were 6-0. I do think winning helps, but I'm not so sure that it cures. Even if the Broncos go 9-7 or 10-6 this year and make the playoffs, there will still be a contigent thinking the Broncos would've been at that level a year ago had the previous group been held together. In fact, I'm not so sure anything outside of winning a Super Bowl would get McDaniels out of hatred in some people eyes. And I'm not sure anything including winning multiple Super Bowls could get him loved in all eyes here. The fact is that through a message board, opinions are made public and amongst this board of fans from the same fanbase - turning to like or love a coach, philosophy, etc. to the contrary is like pulling a John Kerry flipflop to the masses. If McDaniels won five straight Super Bowls, I'd almost expect Mock and Jhns to just quit posting here rather than take their crow and join in the celebration of the coach.

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 10:09 PM
This is the part that blows me away and I think it is absolutly true. If the Broncos get worked Sunday, there will be certain posters who can't wait, be almost giddy, to get to their computers and proclaim themselves correct. The day Alphonso was traded and officially defined a bust was a glorious day for some as they were validated opposed to being a dissapointing the way when Nash, Middlebrooks or Moss were defined with the same term. It was victory for these posters because they were RIGHT! They protect themselves with the simple statement "I hope I'm wrong." So if the team does well, they can play that card and if the team doesn't - they were right (which is far more important of course).

I don't agree with this. By the time he was traded, we already had a wealth of information that he was... well... downright terrible. I absolutely celebrated trading him. Part of it was definitely that I was right, but a big part of it was celebrating moving on, using that roster spot on of our young, talented fringe players, etc. I don't think you can say people were happy he failed... because he had already failed by the time it became "official" by any definition you want to use for failure.

I don't know Taco, there was still an anti-McD sentiment (at least around town) when they were 6-0. I do think winning helps, but I'm not so sure that it cures. Even if the Broncos go 9-7 or 10-6 this year and make the playoffs, there will still be a contigent thinking the Broncos would've been at that level a year ago had the previous group been held together. In fact, I'm not so sure anything outside of winning a Super Bowl would get McDaniels out of hatred in some people eyes. And I'm not sure anything including winning multiple Super Bowls could get him loved in all eyes here. The fact is that through a message board, opinions are made public and amongst this board of fans from the same fanbase - turning to like or love a coach, philosophy, etc. to the contrary is like pulling a John Kerry flipflop to the masses. If McDaniels won five straight Super Bowls, I'd almost expect Mock and Jhns to just quit posting here rather than take their crow and join in the celebration of the coach.

I think that's probably true, but that's definitely the vast minority from anything I've seen.

theAPAOps5
09-17-2010, 10:10 PM
Well Alphonso was a bust, no one really needed to have that validated! Just glad it happened when they cut ties with the overrated bust! :)

Popps
09-17-2010, 10:13 PM
I dont know that we have that now. Even still, that wouldn't matter if we were anywhere approaching .500 in our last dozen games. This is why an anti-Shanahan contingency never really took a foothold here until after he was dismissed.

Winning cures all.

I don't think an anti-Shanahan contingency exists, personally.

I do think after a decade with one playoff win, some people were understandably fine with a fresh start.

Shanny will always be one of my favorite Broncos. But, show me a great coach, and I'll show you a guy who's been asked to move on at one point in his career.

Popps
09-17-2010, 10:14 PM
I don't know Taco, there was still an anti-McD sentiment (at least around town) when they were 6-0. .

I won't go into names, but a lot of active McD bashers just flat out stopped posting around here when we were 6-0.

Not surprisingly, they reappeared when the team started struggling.

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 10:14 PM
I don't think an anti-Shanahan contingency exists, personally.

I do think after a decade with one playoff win, some people were understandably fine with a fresh start.

Shanny will always be one of my favorite Broncos. But, show me a great coach, and I'll show you a guy who's been asked to move on at one point in his career.

I agree with your second sentence and there's nothing wrong with that POV in my opinion.

But the first sentence... dude... c'mon. c'mon. dude. c'mon.

OABB
09-17-2010, 10:15 PM
This place is and always will be awesome. Sure there are douchers, but for the most part this is the best forum and website IMO on the hole interwebz.

That is all I wanted to say. Quit bitching everyone.

Meck77
09-17-2010, 10:15 PM
Wow, some of you people have way too much time on your hands !!!

Yes indeed.

I laugh at the concept that winning cures everything. What about the season when Jake and the Broncos "won ugly" all the way to the AFC west championship game? The tone of the mane was no different than it is today sadly enough. I take that back. The tailgate scene was a blast even though many online posters found a way to bicker, piss and moan even though we were winning. Winning does not cure all at the mane

Well anyway. Go Broncos!

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 10:16 PM
I won't go into names, but a lot of active McD bashers just flat out stopped posting around here when we were 6-0.

Not surprisingly, they reappeared when the team started struggling.

To be fair, you accused me of this, when I was actively posting and making embarrassing crow threads at this time, and I disappeared when the team started STRUGGLING because I was starting to feel negative and didn't want to add to the avalanche. So this could definitely be in your head.

Popps
09-17-2010, 10:16 PM
This place is and always will be awesome. Sure there are douchers, but for the most part this is the best forum and website IMO on the hole interwebz.

That is all I wanted to say. Quit b****ing everyone.

It's a train-wreck that you just can't turn your eyes from.

Popps
09-17-2010, 10:17 PM
To be fair, you accused me of this, when I was actively posting and making embarrassing crow threads at this time, and I disappeared when the team started STRUGGLING because I was starting to feel negative and didn't want to add to the avalanche. So this could definitely be in your head.

You weren't who I was thinking of, but your post-count was a bit light during the 6-0 start, wasn't it. :)

Popps
09-17-2010, 10:18 PM
Yes indeed.

I laugh at the concept that winning cures everything. What about the season when Jake and the Broncos "won ugly" all the way to the AFC west championship game? The tone of the mane was no different than it is today sadly enough. I take that back. The tailgate scene was a blast even though many online posters found a way to bicker, piss and moan even though we were winning. Winning does not cure all at the mane.

Some people just have agendas over football. Not just in Denver, either. I lived in SF during Steve Young's great career there, and you had people wanting to run him out of town even after he won the SB because his name wasn't Joe.

It's fascinating. Some people are die-hard team fans, and some people need a lot of winds to be blowing in certain directions before they're happy rooting.

OABB
09-17-2010, 10:22 PM
I can't rep from my iPod... But for rev:
anytime my douchey friend, anytime.

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 10:22 PM
You weren't who I was thinking of, but your post-count was a bit light during the 6-0 start, wasn't it. :)

Definitely not. I posted more through that stretch than I probably ever have. You're welcome to check, but I had weekly posts like this thread:

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=85406

Popps
09-17-2010, 10:25 PM
I agree with your second sentence and there's nothing wrong with that POV in my opinion.

But the first sentence... dude... c'mon. c'mon. dude. c'mon.

I really don't, or if it did exist... it was small. (Like the douche with the Fire Shanahan site.)

But, you rarely saw "Shanadouche or Shanacrap" type nicknames around here, where as with McDaniels... people were trashing him out of the gate.

I get it. People are afraid of change... especially after some success. But, I'd roughly estimate that IF an anti-Shanahan contingent existed (a group that truly hated Shanahan the way people hate McDaniels) .... it was maybe 10% of the size of the McD hate-club.

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 10:28 PM
I really don't, or if it did exist... it was small. (Like the douche with the Fire Shanahan site.)

But, you rarely saw "Shanadouche or Shanacrap" type nicknames around here, where as with McDaniels... people were trashing him out of the gate.

I get it. People are afraid of change... especially after some success. But, I'd roughly estimate that IF an anti-Shanahan contingent existed (a group that truly hated Shanahan the way people hate McDaniels) .... it was maybe 10% of the size of the McD hate-club.

Dude, c'mon. C'mon.

Dude.

gyldenlove
09-17-2010, 10:29 PM
Socal would be Offensive Coordinator. Mediator12 defensive coordinator. Kaylore gets offensive line coach. Popps gets Dline coach.

We'll take a poll to determine our draft and free agent priorities. It'll be a Broncos utopia.

Can I get South East or South West area scout? I have a pretty good eye young talent...

Kaylore
09-17-2010, 10:34 PM
It would depend on who they brought in. If he wasn't Bronco enough, some would hate him immediately until he "proved he was Bronco heart, soul and mind."

See: Malo the turd face.

If we fired McD at the end of this season, I would be pissed at Bowlen for not giving it enough time. I would begin to see him as a younger Al Davis.

If we don't win more than five games, he probably will be fired, though.

theAPAOps5
09-17-2010, 10:38 PM
If Bowlen fires McD at the end of this season I will get arrested for entering Dove Valley and taking Bowlen to task.

OK NOT REALLY THAT IS FOOLISH AND I WOULD NEVER DO THAT

Bowlen allowed McD to get rid of the overrated malcontents like Cutler and Marshall and build a team that is team oriented. With the coddled players that were infesting this team its going to take time to get rid of them.

Bowlen needs to keep with McD even if this year doesn't pan out like the biased uninformed haters hope it does!

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 10:41 PM
It would depend on who they brought in. If he wasn't Bronco enough, some would hate him immediately until he "proved he was Bronco heart, soul and mind."

See: Malo the turd face.

If we fired McD at the end of this season, I would be pissed at Bowlen for not giving it enough time. I would begin to see him as a younger Al Davis.

If we don't win more than five games, he probably will be fired, though.

He fired Wade after two seasons of 9-7 and 7-9...

baja
09-17-2010, 10:48 PM
Pat wanted Shanahan all along. He hired Wade because he was the best of the rest but as soon as Mike became available it was Bye Bye Wade. Thus the short two opportunity.

montrose
09-17-2010, 10:49 PM
I don't agree with this. By the time he was traded, we already had a wealth of information that he was... well... downright terrible. I absolutely celebrated trading him. Part of it was definitely that I was right, but a big part of it was celebrating moving on, using that roster spot on of our young, talented fringe players, etc. I don't think you can say people were happy he failed... because he had already failed by the time it became "official" by any definition you want to use for failure.

I think you're the expection here though. I don't recall a lot of posts excited about Vaughn or Thompson (outside yours I think, lol). It was more of a "I was right all along" type feel. A proud, pump your chest out thread in which some posters had their moment of victory that they were smarter than the evil coach from New England.

Durango
09-17-2010, 11:03 PM
Pat wanted Shanahan all along. He hired Wade because he was the best of the rest but as soon as Mike became available it was Bye Bye Wade. Thus the short two opportunity.

That had to be part of it, I'm sure, but I attended a game where Wade was pelted with cups and cans and anything fans could pick up after a miserable loss to the Raiders.

In addition, large numbers of fans stopped showing up for games despite official sell-outs, and Bowlen could see that. If that pattern were to repeat itself, then there probably would be increased speculation about McDaniels future here.

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 11:03 PM
Pat wanted Shanahan all along. He hired Wade because he was the best of the rest but as soon as Mike became available it was Bye Bye Wade. Thus the short two opportunity.

Mike wasn't available. Pat absolutely tampered and he admits it. He stalked him in a disguise and got him in an elevator the week of SF's superbowl.

I think you're the expection here though. I don't recall a lot of posts excited about Vaughn or Thompson (outside yours I think, lol). It was more of a "I was right all along" type feel. A proud, pump your chest out thread in which some posters had their moment of victory that they were smarter than the evil, retarded, bean counter from Atlanta.

Fixed bro.

montrose
09-17-2010, 11:05 PM
Anyway, back on subject (sort of) three different scenerios - how do you think the Mane reacts?

1) McDaniels fired, Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden hired.
The big name, veteran HC w/experience scenerio. One of McDaniels' biggest haters, Jhns, consistently points to his disagreement the Broncos hired a young coach without HC'ing experience. This obviously, would appease those wishes - how do you think the Mane reacts?

2) McDaniels fired, Kyle Shanahan hired.
Maybe the only name that could possibly appease Shanahan Acolytes (lol, sorry Taco) outside of Mike himself. One one hand Kyle is young without HC'ing experience - just like McD was. But he is of the Shanahan tree and as Kaylore pointed out - would have the "Bronco roots". How do the Mane's "main" (pun intended) players fall in line here?

3) McDaniels fired, Leslie Frazier or another OC/DC hired.
Starting over again, but with a coordinator who could have different philosophies or principles. A bit of an unknown as compared with the options. This is the scenerio that would most intrigue me in terms of how the Mane reacts. What if Frazier comes in and shifts the D back to a 4-3 and trades Dumervil because he doesn't like the fit there? Maybe a guy like Jason Garrett comes along and looks the other way at character issues. Would Mock and company blatently follow this man, despise him or analyize objectivly?

Have fun...

Durango
09-17-2010, 11:10 PM
I honestly think Bowlen keeps up with who is, and isn't available out there. OK, maybe not Bowlen specifically, but I would imagine Joe Ellis does, and if the potential candidates aren't people Bowlen would seriously consider as replacement coaches, I really don't think he would fire McDaniels regardless of the record this year, and honestly, I'd be hard pressed to come up with someone available out there who might lead the Broncos on a Shanahan-like run during the 90's.

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 11:17 PM
Anyway, back on subject (sort of) three different scenerios - how do you think the Mane reacts?

1) McDaniels fired, Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden hired.
The big name, veteran HC w/experience scenerio. One of McDaniels' biggest haters, Jhns, consistently points to his disagreement the Broncos hired a young coach without HC'ing experience. This obviously, would appease those wishes - how do you think the Mane reacts?

2) McDaniels fired, Kyle Shanahan hired.
Maybe the only name that could possibly appease Shanahan Acolytes (lol, sorry Taco) outside of Mike himself. One one hand Kyle is young without HC'ing experience - just like McD was. But he is of the Shanahan tree and as Kaylore pointed out - would have the "Bronco roots". How do the Mane's "main" (pun intended) players fall in line here?

3) McDaniels fired, Leslie Frazier or another OC/DC hired.
Starting over again, but with a coordinator who could have different philosophies or principles. A bit of an unknown as compared with the options. This is the scenerio that would most intrigue me in terms of how the Mane reacts. What if Frazier comes in and shifts the D back to a 4-3 and trades Dumervil because he doesn't like the fit there? Maybe a guy like Jason Garrett comes along and looks the other way at character issues. Would Mock and company blatently follow this man, despise him or analyize objectivly?

Have fun...

Best option:

Hire Krystal Shanahan's fine ass.

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 11:18 PM
I honestly think Bowlen keeps up with who is, and isn't available out there. OK, maybe not Bowlen specifically, but I would imagine Joe Ellis does, and if the potential candidates aren't people Bowlen would seriously consider as replacement coaches, I really don't think he would fire McDaniels regardless of the record this year, and honestly, I'd be hard pressed to come up with someone available out there who might lead the Broncos on a Shanahan-like run during the 90's.

True, but that also pretty much never happens. If Hall of Fame coaches grew on trees, it wouldn't have the insane amount of turnover that it does.

Taco John
09-17-2010, 11:21 PM
This is the part that blows me away and I think it is absolutly true. If the Broncos get worked Sunday, there will be certain posters who can't wait, be almost giddy, to get to their computers and proclaim themselves correct. The day Alphonso was traded and officially defined a bust was a glorious day for some as they were validated opposed to being a dissapointing the way when Nash, Middlebrooks or Moss were defined with the same term. It was victory for these posters because they were RIGHT! They protect themselves with the simple statement "I hope I'm wrong." So if the team does well, they can play that card and if the team doesn't - they were right (which is far more important of course).

When ANYONE is proven smarter than an NFL coach on any given pick, they want to crow about it. This is nothing new. Josh McDaniels took a not insignificant gamble on Gonzo Smith, and then he gave up on his guy early. Why wouldn't the people who were right about this from the start not want to say so on a discussion forum? When people were right about Brian Griese, they were just as eager to proclaim their rightness. This is nothing new.

At the end of the day, the Gonzo pick turned out to be a huge waste that undermined the front office and made the people who doubted correct in their assessment. McXanders gambled and lost. I don't like it any more than you do.



I don't know Taco, there was still an anti-McD sentiment (at least around town) when they were 6-0. I do think winning helps, but I'm not so sure that it cures. Even if the Broncos go 9-7 or 10-6 this year and make the playoffs, there will still be a contigent thinking the Broncos would've been at that level a year ago had the previous group been held together. In fact, I'm not so sure anything outside of winning a Super Bowl would get McDaniels out of hatred in some people eyes. And I'm not sure anything including winning multiple Super Bowls could get him loved in all eyes here. The fact is that through a message board, opinions are made public and amongst this board of fans from the same fanbase - turning to like or love a coach, philosophy, etc. to the contrary is like pulling a John Kerry flipflop to the masses. If McDaniels won five straight Super Bowls, I'd almost expect Mock and Jhns to just quit posting here rather than take their crow and join in the celebration of the coach.

I can't speak for what people were saying around town, but when the Broncos were 6-0 last year, this forum was overwhelmingly full of people both serving and eating crow. People who were "anti-Josh" were marginalized. There wasn't any room in the discussion for them except to laugh and point. Whether any individual wouldn't accept Josh after 5 Superbowls isn't material, because they'd be marginalized and be turned into a punching bag by the community at large.

Speaking only for myself, I'm not worried about Josh winning 5 straight Superbowls. I'd like one win at this point, and then I might be so bold to hope for 2 straight. Either way, I don't expect Bowlen to give up on Josh as quickly as Josh gave up on Gonzo. He's going to be here for this season, and I'd wager at least one more regardless of how this one ends. My advice to people who are tired of anti-Josh sentiment is to spend your time discussing pro-Josh sentiment with pro-Josh people, skipping over the posts that will inevitably come against him, and look forward to better days when the reasons to have faith in the guy and his plan finally materialize and you get your chance to say "I was right all along. Go Broncos!"

SouthStndJunkie
09-17-2010, 11:43 PM
I'm not sure why anyone thinks any of this is new. Back when we opened, the fan base was split on Griese, and argued incessantly about it then. Then it was Plummer. Then it was Coyer. Now it's Josh.

Posters come and go. The log out button is easy to access for anyone who thinks this place isn't worth their time. Whenever someone complains about this place, they just come across as an internet lightweight.

The only real differenve between earlier times and now is that we're in the middle of the worst losing streak in Orange Mane history. I'm not sure why anyone would imagine that this place would be smiley and happy through it.

Suck it up whiners. This community will get through this era, win or lose, and will survive to argue about the next one.

Well stated.

footstepsfrom#27
09-17-2010, 11:55 PM
I was thinking about this while looking through the most recent McD thread. Lets say at year's end he's canned and a new coach is brought in (unlikely but just consider it). How does the Mane react?

Do Mock and Jhns suddenty become the world's biggest fanboys for whomever is brought in? Do Tsiguy and Baja instantly hate this new coach and trash everything he does that flies in the face of McD, meanwhile becoming fans of whatever team McD goes to? And does Taco (and others) now hate BOTH McD and the new coach because they're still mad Shanny was fired and think the '08 Broncos were on their way to greatness? Is there any coach that can bring peace? Gary Kubiak? Kyle Shanahan? Would a firing of McD unite the Mane behind the new coach? Or prehaps unite it in hate behind him? It's facinating to consider...
Not it's boring me to death, but congratulations on your next post for 5K anyway... ;D

spdirty
09-17-2010, 11:55 PM
I really don't, or if it did exist... it was small. (Like the douche with the Fire Shanahan site.)

But, you rarely saw "Shanadouche or Shanacrap" type nicknames around here, where as with McDaniels... people were trashing him out of the gate.

I get it. People are afraid of change... especially after some success. But, I'd roughly estimate that IF an anti-Shanahan contingent existed (a group that truly hated Shanahan the way people hate McDaniels) .... it was maybe 10% of the size of the McD hate-club.

Do you understand why that is? You understand it isnt a "we hate him cuz he isn't Shanny" or a "we hate him because he's young" or even necessarily a "we hate him cuz he traded Cutler" situation, but more of a "we hate him because we think the direction he is taking this team sucks" type of hate right?

And you also understand that winning cures 95% of that, right?



Its like Buffs fans. We love the Buffs, we hate their coach. I was a Talkins supporter for 3 years. But that all changed after getting smoked last year at home to CSU. He needs to be gone yesterday. Because he is a pathetic excuse for a coach. And many people feel the same way about McDaniels. He starts winning, that sentiment goes away. He doesnt, and his fanboys continue to make excuses for him, that hate grows and grows and grows till it reaches a boiling point, and if it reaches that boiling point then he better get ****canned or we will start seeing some half empty stadiums at mile high. ESPECIALLY if Shanahan takes the Skins to the playoffs.

2 wins in 11 months. I dont think any Broncos fan SHOULD be happy with those results.

strafen
09-17-2010, 11:59 PM
If Bowlen fires McD at the end of this season I will get arrested for entering Dove Valley and taking Bowlen to task.

OK NOT REALLY THAT IS FOOLISH AND I WOULD NEVER DO THAT

Bowlen allowed McD to get rid of the overrated malcontents like Cutler and Marshall and build a team that is team oriented. With the coddled players that were infesting this team its going to take time to get rid of them.

Bowlen needs to keep with McD even if this year doesn't pan out like the biased uninformed haters hope it does!McDaniels got way too much on his plate.
For starters, consider the fact alone that he is an inexperienced head coach. Couple that with the fact that he is in charge of personnel decisions (inexperienced in that dept as well) he is involved in the defense, play calling, game planning, talent evaluator, etc... you add all of those things and you get a head coach who in overwhelmed with responsibilities and nobody to delegate to because he wants to have the final say-so in every aspect of the team.
This is why Shanahan lost his ability to coach. He was wearing too many hats, yet, Shanahan was a whole lot more experienced than Mcdaniels at handling multiple tasks, even if at the end misfired on him.

BigPlayShay
09-18-2010, 12:03 AM
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Taco John
09-18-2010, 12:16 AM
Question: If Reeves would have successfully traded Elway, how do you think fans would have received Maddox, even before a single game was played?

Durango
09-18-2010, 12:20 AM
Question: If Reeves would have successfully traded Elway, how do you think fans would have received Maddox, even before a single game was played?

I think Reeves life might've been in danger, and I'm not joking. I think there would have been an open revolt.

TheReverend
09-18-2010, 12:26 AM
Question: If Reeves would have successfully traded Elway, how do you think fans would have received Maddox, even before a single game was played?

Ooooh, oooh, I got this one:

"Let's face it, John's game got stale. He hasn't won anything meaningful since 1989 and he can't win the big one. Now, Tommy Maddox reminds me of a young John Elway."

strafen
09-18-2010, 12:27 AM
Question: If Reeves would have successfully traded Elway, how do you think fans would have received Maddox, even before a single game was played?I don't think Pat Bowlen would've allowed him to do so, but I agree, had he been sucessful at it, he wouldn't be around to tell the story to his grandkids...

lostknight
09-18-2010, 12:27 AM
2) McDaniels fired, Kyle Shanahan hired.
Maybe the only name that could possibly appease Shanahan Acolytes (lol, sorry Taco) outside of Mike himself. One one hand Kyle is young without HC'ing experience - just like McD was. But he is of the Shanahan tree and as Kaylore pointed out - would have the "Bronco roots". How do the Mane's "main" (pun intended) players fall in line here?


Jeremy Bates would probably be a canidate, he was playcalling for Shanny, and is a OC this year. But he has all of the negatives that we've suffered so far.

Durango
09-18-2010, 12:30 AM
That looks a little too sinister. Sorry. Maybe Reeves' life would'nt have been in actual danger, but I do think there would have been threats to be taken seriously. Maddox would've been seen as a usurper and if he didn't immediately take control of the offense and score boatloads of points, which we now know wasn't going to happen, the hatred raining down on that kid would've been as ear-splitting loud as it would've been constant.

He left school as a sophomore if I remember correctly. In even the very best circumstances, he probably wasn't going to be ready to start for two or three seasons.

TomServo
09-18-2010, 12:58 AM
Originally Posted by Taco John http://www.orangemane.com/BB/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2938213#post2938213)
Question: If Reeves would have successfully traded Elway, how do you think fans would have received Maddox, even before a single game was played?

the big question or actually the big answer is already there. how did elway respond? when reeves drafted maddox? did he go into a tizzy like jake plummer w/ shan. drafted cutler?
did he he pout, freak out? play like c rap?Leave football entirely the very next year?
did brees retire to handball and idaho w/ san diego got rivers? did montana pout w/sanfran got young?
no. Elway manned up. bowlen fired the right person(reeves) and we got rare back to back SB championships

Taco John
09-18-2010, 01:19 AM
Ooooh, oooh, I got this one:

"Let's face it, John's game got stale. He hasn't won anything meaningful since 1989 and he can't win the big one. Now, Tommy Maddox reminds me of a young John Elway."


Brilliant.

montrose
09-18-2010, 01:36 AM
When ANYONE is proven smarter than an NFL coach on any given pick, they want to crow about it. This is nothing new. Josh McDaniels took a not insignificant gamble on Gonzo Smith, and then he gave up on his guy early. Why wouldn't the people who were right about this from the start not want to say so on a discussion forum? When people were right about Brian Griese, they were just as eager to proclaim their rightness. This is nothing new.
I donít think the point here is if the pick was bad or not, but the excitement Ė no joy Ė people had with its failure. I can rememberthe evening of the Vikings preseason game when there was a level in disappointment that Smith recorded an interception. And thatís what I find so fascinating. Had Smith come into camp this year and developed into a Pro Bowl corner I have no doubt that a significant amount of posters wouldíve been disappointed they were wrong. What I find interesting isnít that these posters want to brag when theyíre right or wrong, but Ė and I agree with Tailgate on this Ė itís more important they be right or wrong than the team win. Now you said you donít believe there was an Anti-Shanny sentiment until after his firing and I agree with that. I do think there is an Anti-McD faction right now that is so strong, those in the group want him to fail Ė thus want their own team to fail. This is what intrigues me so much and why I posted the thread. Not only does this group want him to fail because of their dislike of him, but also because theyíve publically taken that specific side of the picket line. And while you referenced Griese as an example, I canít recall during Mikeís tenure ANY poster putting their own opinions ahead of the teamís success Ė I donít believe that to be the case now and the concept truly fascinates me. I donít even find it as upsetting as others, just intriguing. Thatís why I wanted to take a glimpse into the future to see how things could change down the line. Will the group be divided even more into smaller factions or will it come together?

I can't speak for what people were saying around town, but when the Broncos were 6-0 last year, this forum was overwhelmingly full of people both serving and eating crow. People who were "anti-Josh" were marginalized. There wasn't any room in the discussion for them except to laugh and point. Whether any individual wouldn't accept Josh after 5 Superbowls isn't material, because they'd be marginalized and be turned into a punching bag by the community at large.
And 6-0 is going to be hard to argue with, but I think the key work you used here is marginalized. The ďanti-JoshĒ crew didnít become ďpro-JoshĒ they were simply silenced. They werenít necessarily happy the team was winning, in fact they were more so disappointed they were wrong. Thatís Tailgateís point that I agree with is that today on our board, for many, itís become more imperative to be right than for the team to be successful Ė and much of that is, IMO, because of the public stances we take online. To use my hypothesis as an example, letís look at an election. When Obama beat McCain, McCainís public supporters didnít become Obama supporters Ė their voice was just diminished. Furthermore, itís my belief using this example that if in his 4-8 years Obama was able to fix the economy, end all war and leave this country in the best shape itís ever been Ė the McCain supporters would still not become Obama supporters. In addition, Iíd argue those McCain supporters would be silently disappointed they werenít right even though it meant they live in a better nation. To me, thatís what message boards have become in a way Ė itís a drawing political boundary lines and no matter what jargon is spewed, you know itís more important to the politicians that their party is right than if the nation prospers.

Speaking only for myself, I'm not worried about Josh winning 5 straight Superbowls. I'd like one win at this point, and then I might be so bold to hope for 2 straight. Either way, I don't expect Bowlen to give up on Josh as quickly as Josh gave up on Gonzo. He's going to be here for this season, and I'd wager at least one more regardless of how this one ends.
The thing is Taco, you are speaking for yourself and you certainly donít fit into the mold of the type of poster Iím hoping to asses. You truly do want the team to do well and, generally, take a mild-stance on matters. We all know you loved Shanny but itís great youíve been so open to McD and objective in hoping he succeeds. You truly want to see the Broncos win every time they take the field. There are Broncos fans, that donít. And I find that most intriguing.

My advice to people who are tired of anti-Josh sentiment is to spend your time discussing pro-Josh sentiment with pro-Josh people, skipping over the posts that will inevitably come against him, and look forward to better days when the reasons to have faith in the guy and his plan finally materialize and you get your chance to say "I was right all along. Go Broncos!"
And there is only one race, the human race. LOL j/k buddy.

TomServo
09-18-2010, 01:37 AM
fans, before the mutiny, fans after. and you dont know about the mutiny on the broncos..... you Suck. go home worship some other team..
if you dont know that John Ralston was the most impotrant coach and draft picker in Bronco history.....you suck. john ralston made shanny and every other coach at the time look retarded. he made the Broncos what they are.

The MVPlaya
09-18-2010, 01:40 AM
fans, before the mutiny, fans after. and you dont know about the mutiny on the broncos..... you Suck. go home worship some other team..
if you dont know that John Ralston was the most impotrant coach and draft picker in Bronco history.....you suck. john ralston made shanny and every other coach at the time look retarded. he made the Broncos what they are.

http://www.iwebneed.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Watch-Hot-Tub-Time-Machine-Online-Free-Stream-328x460.jpg

hey tom, our PRESIDENT IS HALF BLACK! wake THE * * * * UP!
:rofl:

TomServo
09-18-2010, 01:55 AM
hey tom, our PRESIDENT IS HALF BLACK! wake THE * * * * UP!

baja
09-18-2010, 01:55 AM
Ooooh, oooh, I got this one:

"Let's face it, John's game got stale. He hasn't won anything meaningful since 1989 and he can't win the big one. Now, Tommy Maddox reminds me of a young John Elway."

Wonder how many will appreciate the cleverness of this post. Rep.

TomServo
09-18-2010, 01:56 AM
and that has What to do with john ralstons AWESOME dRAFT piCKS?

TomServo
09-18-2010, 02:38 AM
sorry about the "you all suck" thing
Mcd has two god awful drafts under his belt. compared to john ralston, a coach my dad used to cuss out every sunday for two years...Ralston drafted pretty much the entire Orange crush. and then some, he drafted otis armstrong. he only broke up OJs nfl rushing title.....a Bronco!

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 08:28 AM
If The Mane was a reality TV show, what would it be called?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-18-2010, 08:32 AM
the big question or actually the big answer is already there. how did elway respond? when reeves drafted maddox? did he go into a tizzy like jake plummer w/ shan. drafted cutler?
did he he pout, freak out? play like c rap?Leave football entirely the very next year?
did brees retire to handball and idaho w/ san diego got rivers? did montana pout w/sanfran got young?
no. Elway manned up. bowlen fired the right person(reeves) and we got rare back to back SB championships

None of those players you mentioned were in the conference championship game the season prior to getting a new QB.

And in all of those cases, the coaches KNEW what they were getting when they drafted/traded for those players. Shanahan drafted Cutler after a five minute conversation with Jeff Fisher, having never met with Cutler or even talked to him.

WolfpackGuy
09-18-2010, 08:47 AM
If The Mane was a reality TV show, what would it be called?

Dancing With The Running Backs

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 08:52 AM
Montrose, I think what happens is the more Poster A gets backed into a corner defending his positions, the more set those positions become.

Once some other poster tells you how stupid you are for taking a position, the harder you defend it. And it becomes a big circular argument.

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 08:56 AM
Dude, c'mon. C'mon.

Dude.

C'mon, dude. Please. Don't make me laugh.

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 08:59 AM
Dancing With The Running Backs

Pwn Stars

Edit: Pwnd Stars would be better.

TailgateNut
09-18-2010, 09:05 AM
If The Mane was a reality TV show, what would it be called?

A reed in the wind

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 09:25 AM
A reed in the wind

A Tale of Two Coaches

gyldenlove
09-18-2010, 11:04 AM
Anyway, back on subject (sort of) three different scenerios - how do you think the Mane reacts?

1) McDaniels fired, Bill Cowher or Jon Gruden hired.
The big name, veteran HC w/experience scenerio. One of McDaniels' biggest haters, Jhns, consistently points to his disagreement the Broncos hired a young coach without HC'ing experience. This obviously, would appease those wishes - how do you think the Mane reacts?


This one will bring the most unity in support I am sure unless it is Jon Gruden. I think this would appease many of the Mcdaniels detractors, while also keep most of the pro Mcdaniels crowd content, a few people who are for some reason personally invested in McD would be upset, but that is about it.


2) McDaniels fired, Kyle Shanahan hired.
Maybe the only name that could possibly appease Shanahan Acolytes (lol, sorry Taco) outside of Mike himself. One one hand Kyle is young without HC'ing experience - just like McD was. But he is of the Shanahan tree and as Kaylore pointed out - would have the "Bronco roots". How do the Mane's "main" (pun intended) players fall in line here?


I am sure the people who are pro everything Shanahan would love this one, but most of the Mcdanielsnites would hate this as would the people who didn't like hiring an inexperienced coach with an offensive mindset.


3) McDaniels fired, Leslie Frazier or another OC/DC hired.
Starting over again, but with a coordinator who could have different philosophies or principles. A bit of an unknown as compared with the options. This is the scenerio that would most intrigue me in terms of how the Mane reacts. What if Frazier comes in and shifts the D back to a 4-3 and trades Dumervil because he doesn't like the fit there? Maybe a guy like Jason Garrett comes along and looks the other way at character issues. Would Mock and company blatently follow this man, despise him or analyize objectivly?

Have fun...

This one would alienate everyone equally, which is why it might be the least divisive solution. I am sure everybody would have the same criticism and feel the same way, so while it would unite the mane it might not be in support.

gyldenlove
09-18-2010, 11:19 AM
I donít think the point here is if the pick was bad or not, but the excitement Ė no joy Ė people had with its failure. I can remember the evening of the Vikings preseason game when there was a level of disappointment that Smith recorded an interception. And thatís what I find so fascinating. Had Smith come into camp this year and developed into a Pro Bowl corner I have no doubt that a significant amount of posters wouldíve been disappointed they were wrong. What I find interesting isnít that these posters want to brag when theyíre right or wrong, but Ė and I agree with Tailgate on this Ė itís more important they be right or wrong than the team win. Now you said you donít believe there was an Anti-Shanny sentiment until after his firing and I agree with that. I do think there is an Anti-McD faction right now that is so strong, those in the group want him to fail Ė thus want their own team to fail. This is what intrigues me so much and why I posted the thread. Not only does this group want him to fail because of their dislike of him, but also because theyíve publically taken that specific side of the picket line. And while you referenced Griese as an example, I canít recall during Mikeís tenure ANY poster putting their own opinions ahead of the teamís success Ė I donít believe that to be the case now and the concept truly fascinates me. I donít even find it as upsetting as others, just intriguing. Thatís why I wanted to take a glimpse into the future to see how things could change down the line. Will the group be divided even more into smaller factions or will it come together?

I think it is a very small group who at the end of the day truly would like to see the Broncos fail to prove their point. Much smaller than you think, I do believe there is a group of people who pull the "I told you so" routine at every possible opportunity, however many of them are the end of the day are still cheering for the team on the field and only revert to their spiteful tone after the game is over.

For the specific example of Al Smith, I was one of his detractors, not a big fan of the pick and not a big fan of the trade that landed us the pick, but then the same can very well be said for Jay Cutler, Eddie Royal, Tony Scheffler and Richard Quinn, I hated all those picks. That doesn't mean I hate the players once they play for us, in fact Eddie Royal is one of my favourite Broncos. Al Smith just didn't manage to prove me wrong, I hoped he would, but he didn't, Eddie Royal did and I love it.


And 6-0 is going to be hard to argue with, but I think the key work you used here is marginalized. The ďanti-JoshĒ crew didnít become ďpro-JoshĒ they were simply silenced. They werenít necessarily happy the team was winning, in fact they were more so disappointed they were wrong. Thatís Tailgateís point that I agree with is that today on our board, for many, itís become more imperative to be right than for the team to be successful Ė and much of that is, IMO, because of the public stances we take online. To use my hypothesis as an example, letís look at an election. When Obama beat McCain, McCainís public supporters didnít become Obama supporters Ė their voice was just diminished. Furthermore, itís my belief using this example that if in his 4-8 years Obama was able to fix the economy, end all war and leave this country in the best shape itís ever been Ė the McCain supporters would still not become Obama supporters. In addition, Iíd argue those McCain supporters would be silently disappointed they werenít right even though it meant they live in a better nation. To me, thatís what message boards have become in a way Ė itís a drawing political boundary lines and no matter what jargon is spewed, you know itís more important to the politicians that their party is right than if the nation prospers.

I do think at the outset of last season there were 3 groups, the pros, the cons and the wait-and-sees, I think a lot of people who were not sure if Mcdaniels could pull it off and had critized some of the moves he made were pleasantly surprised when the team went 6-0 including beating some very good teams. A few people just silently disappeared I am sure, but many really did support the team.

Steve Sewell
09-18-2010, 11:19 AM
Why didn't you just title this thread:

"Troll thread re: coaching staff"

WolfpackGuy
09-18-2010, 11:23 AM
Question: If Reeves would have successfully traded Elway, how do you think fans would have received Maddox, even before a single game was played?

I doubt Bowlen would've let that play all the way out.

He knew where his bread was buttered, and he doesn't get that shiny new stadium in 2001 without Elway in Denver.

To answer the question, Maddox would've died.

NFLBRONCO
09-18-2010, 11:34 AM
If we make another HC change I want new blood here (No Pats)(No ex Bronco coaches either)

Popps
09-18-2010, 11:40 AM
Brilliant.

Not really.

Comparing a single player to the person who installs the entire philosophy for an organization isn't really a valid analogy.

Sounds cute on paper, but doesn't hold any validity when broken down.


In fact, it was John Elway who arguably benefited the most from a coaching change. The organization had lost direction, and Shanahan came in and installed a fresh, effective system.

WolfpackGuy
09-18-2010, 11:43 AM
If we make another HC change I want new blood here (No Pats)(No ex Bronco coaches either)

Would the Broncos HC job be as attractive now as it was in January 2009?

It was EASILY the best opening last year, but now, I'm not so sure it is.

TheReverend
09-18-2010, 12:02 PM
I donít think the point here is if the pick was bad or not, but the excitement Ė no joy Ė people had with its failure. I can rememberthe evening of the Vikings preseason game when there was a level in disappointment that Smith recorded an interception. And thatís what I find so fascinating. Had Smith come into camp this year and developed into a Pro Bowl corner I have no doubt that a significant amount of posters wouldíve been disappointed they were wrong. What I find interesting isnít that these posters want to brag when theyíre right or wrong, but Ė and I agree with Tailgate on this Ė itís more important they be right or wrong than the team win. Now you said you donít believe there was an Anti-Shanny sentiment until after his firing and I agree with that. I do think there is an Anti-McD faction right now that is so strong, those in the group want him to fail Ė thus want their own team to fail. This is what intrigues me so much and why I posted the thread. Not only does this group want him to fail because of their dislike of him, but also because theyíve publically taken that specific side of the picket line. And while you referenced Griese as an example, I canít recall during Mikeís tenure ANY poster putting their own opinions ahead of the teamís success Ė I donít believe that to be the case now and the concept truly fascinates me. I donít even find it as upsetting as others, just intriguing. Thatís why I wanted to take a glimpse into the future to see how things could change down the line. Will the group be divided even more into smaller factions or will it come together?


And 6-0 is going to be hard to argue with, but I think the key work you used here is marginalized. The ďanti-JoshĒ crew didnít become ďpro-JoshĒ they were simply silenced. They werenít necessarily happy the team was winning, in fact they were more so disappointed they were wrong. Thatís Tailgateís point that I agree with is that today on our board, for many, itís become more imperative to be right than for the team to be successful Ė and much of that is, IMO, because of the public stances we take online. To use my hypothesis as an example, letís look at an election. When Obama beat McCain, McCainís public supporters didnít become Obama supporters Ė their voice was just diminished. Furthermore, itís my belief using this example that if in his 4-8 years Obama was able to fix the economy, end all war and leave this country in the best shape itís ever been Ė the McCain supporters would still not become Obama supporters. In addition, Iíd argue those McCain supporters would be silently disappointed they werenít right even though it meant they live in a better nation. To me, thatís what message boards have become in a way Ė itís a drawing political boundary lines and no matter what jargon is spewed, you know itís more important to the politicians that their party is right than if the nation prospers.


The thing is Taco, you are speaking for yourself and you certainly donít fit into the mold of the type of poster Iím hoping to asses. You truly do want the team to do well and, generally, take a mild-stance on matters. We all know you loved Shanny but itís great youíve been so open to McD and objective in hoping he succeeds. You truly want to see the Broncos win every time they take the field. There are Broncos fans, that donít. And I find that most intriguing.


And there is only one race, the human race. LOL j/k buddy.

You know what?

I think people are hyper sensitive about McDaniels and I think it might stem from some of the absurdly over the top support from his fanatical "Josh's piss cures cancer!" posters.

For example, Popps just posted this:

True, almost like the Alphonso Smith of running backs. Maybe he came in as a high pick thinking he'd have an easy go of it, or didn't practice hard enough.

Either way, a lot of times these guys can turn it around. Sometimes they don't, but it CAN happen. We've seen it many times.

Plus, at the price... if he's a solid back-up who can do some things on special teams, it's a nice value. I think at worst, it'll be a good insurance policy.

Josh must think he's worth a shot after working with him... so it'll be fun to see how it plays out.

I was going to make a Jarvis Green/Lekevin Smith joke, but then I realized everyone would start attacking it as a negative post and not supporting the team, where a similar post just a few years back say making fun of signing Kenard Lang after the prior wave of Browncos would've been met with "Haha, you got me".

Sooooo, yeah, I think the majority of this "anti-Josh" sentiment is imaginary. While some certainly do perpetuate the stereotype, there are also quite a few on the other side of the step exaggerating circumstances every step of the way.

ScottXray
09-18-2010, 12:21 PM
Well initially it would be like suicide watch I am sure.

Honestly some people are always going to gripe, I am sure a few of the people who dislike Mcdaniels for whatever reason will come around to another coach and jump on the bandwagon. I am sure some of the supporters would be upset too, just like some people were upset with Shanny getting canned.

Honestly, the only coach I think could bring some form of peace would be someone with no NFL ties, if you bring in someone with previous NFL experience there will always be some animosity there, it would be really bad if you brought in someone who has connections to either Shanny or McD, say a Nolan or Kubiak. I suppose hiring Taco as the head coach might get most people (except Popps) on board.

Screw it ...lets bring back John Ralston and then Joe Collier as DC.

Nothing less will do.

in the vein of current politics......I want my Broncos back!

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 12:22 PM
Eh, sometimes people choose a corner to defend, or get backed into a corner and can't get out of it. No big deal to me. You win some, you lose some.

Like TJ said, if you're not tough enough to keep defending your corner, or if you're not willing to admit defeat, or you can't just shut up about it sometimes, get off of the Mane.

Or change your screen name.

baja
09-18-2010, 12:45 PM
Sooooo, yeah, I think the majority of this "anti-Josh" sentiment is imaginary. While some certainly do perpetuate the stereotype, there are also quite a few on the other side of the step exaggerating circumstances every step of the way.

This is true and the degree of the buy in is directly related to the magnitude of what's at stake. If McD fails that means the Broncos will wallow in mediocrity for years, if he is the real deal he likely will become a special coach that creates a true Broncos dynasty . It's why the board is so acidic.

Archer81
09-18-2010, 01:09 PM
What exactly is "Broncos" football?

Originally it was about world and soul crushing defense and mediocre offense.

Then it was about average offense and average defense, playing mistake free football then loosing your HOF QB in the 4th qtr to pull games out of his ass.

Then it was about the run, outhustling people and making teams hate having to come to mile high. The HOF QB was not required to win games, he didnt have to.

That turned into "Madden" offense. Tons of yards, no points and ****ty D.

Is it possible we are witnessing the birth of the next brand of Broncos football? Tenacious, smart players who know the situations and the roles expected of them. Much like the other opening seasons of the previous eras, pain is to be expected.

:Broncos:

baja
09-18-2010, 01:19 PM
What exactly is "Broncos" football?

Originally it was about world and soul crushing defense and mediocre offense.

Then it was about average offense and average defense, playing mistake free football then loosing your HOF QB in the 4th qtr to pull games out of his ass.

Then it was about the run, outhustling people and making teams hate having to come to mile high. The HOF QB was not required to win games, he didnt have to.

That turned into "Madden" offense. Tons of yards, no points and ****ty D.

Is it possible we are witnessing the birth of the next brand of Broncos football? Tenacious, smart players who know the situations and the roles expected of them. Much like the other opening seasons of the previous eras, pain is to be expected.

:Broncos:

Nice post Chris! Rep

Naggle Nole
09-18-2010, 01:20 PM
What exactly is "Broncos" football?

Originally it was about world and soul crushing defense and mediocre offense.

Then it was about average offense and average defense, playing mistake free football then loosing your HOF QB in the 4th qtr to pull games out of his ass.

Then it was about the run, outhustling people and making teams hate having to come to mile high. The HOF QB was not required to win games, he didnt have to.

That turned into "Madden" offense. Tons of yards, no points and ****ty D.

Is it possible we are witnessing the birth of the next brand of Broncos football? Tenacious, smart players who know the situations and the roles expected of them. Much like the other opening seasons of the previous eras, pain is to be expected.

:Broncos:

Great post
Broncos football changes with the times and with the personnel, both on the field and in the FO
If what you are doing doesn't work, you gotta change it
We have been spoiled by having an unusual amount of continuity, whether it be our HOF QB, HOF coach or HOF owner

Now we are moving into a new era
The HOF coach is gone, but the HOF QB is back with the team behind the scenes, which is no small thing
Will there be growing pains and frustration along the way? Of course
But I am excited about our direction :sunshine:

Hulamau
09-18-2010, 01:21 PM
I was thinking about this while looking through the most recent McD thread. Lets say at year's end he's canned and a new coach is brought in (unlikely but just consider it). How does the Mane react?

Do Mock and Jhns suddenty become the world's biggest fanboys for whomever is brought in? Do Tsiguy and Baja instantly hate this new coach and trash everything he does that flies in the face of McD, meanwhile becoming fans of whatever team McD goes to? And does Taco (and others) now hate BOTH McD and the new coach because they're still mad Shanny was fired and think the '08 Broncos were on their way to greatness? Is there any coach that can bring peace? Gary Kubiak? Kyle Shanahan? Would a firing of McD unite the Mane behind the new coach? Or prehaps unite it in hate behind him? It's facinating to consider...

Perhaps an equally relevant question is what would Josh haveto do to win over his assailers?? answer .. Nothing would work. He could win two SB in a row in coming years, and still for the die hard haters Shanny would have won three in a row with the same team.

Alas, its the internet age where polarization and hate are the currency of the day.

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 01:22 PM
What exactly is "Broncos" football?

Originally it was about world and soul crushing defense and mediocre offense.

Then it was about average offense and average defense, playing mistake free football then loosing your HOF QB in the 4th qtr to pull games out of his ass.

Then it was about the run, outhustling people and making teams hate having to come to mile high. The HOF QB was not required to win games, he didnt have to.

That turned into "Madden" offense. Tons of yards, no points and ****ty D.

Is it possible we are witnessing the birth of the next brand of Broncos football? Tenacious, smart players who know the situations and the roles expected of them. Much like the other opening seasons of the previous eras, pain is to be expected.

:Broncos:

That's a good question, and I have no idea how to answer.

baja
09-18-2010, 01:26 PM
That's a good question, and I have no idea how to answer.


Well you don't have to just read Chris' last paragraph.

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 01:50 PM
Well you don't have to just read Chris' last paragraph.

There's still a question of "identity". If it even matters, of course. I kind of was hoping for a defensive identity coming out of the 2010 draft. I don't know if it matters at all, but that's what I was looking for.

DBroncos4life
09-18-2010, 01:53 PM
Gruden just because he has a Teboner

baja
09-18-2010, 01:54 PM
There's still a question of "identity". If it even matters, of course. I kind of was hoping for a defensive identity coming out of the 2010 draft. I don't know if it matters at all, but that's what I was looking for.

There is an identity Josh calls it "Complementary football"

Naggle Nole
09-18-2010, 02:00 PM
There is an identity Josh calls it "Compliantly football"

Absolute embarrassing

Hulamau
09-18-2010, 02:01 PM
What exactly is "Broncos" football?

Originally it was about world and soul crushing defense and mediocre offense.

Then it was about average offense and average defense, playing mistake free football then loosing your HOF QB in the 4th qtr to pull games out of his ass.

Then it was about the run, outhustling people and making teams hate having to come to mile high. The HOF QB was not required to win games, he didnt have to.

That turned into "Madden" offense. Tons of yards, no points and ****ty D.

Is it possible we are witnessing the birth of the next brand of Broncos football? Tenacious, smart players who know the situations and the roles expected of them. Much like the other opening seasons of the previous eras, pain is to be expected.

:Broncos:

Nice history lesson sirhC ... "Ryback (txtebow) listen up ... this is how you contribute useful dialog and earn respect here.

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 02:19 PM
Absolute embarrassing

No kidding. We sure don't want to see compliant football. With all due respect to the grammatically-challenged Baja.

watermock
09-18-2010, 02:33 PM
Eh, sometimes people choose a corner to defend, or get backed into a corner and can't get out of it. No big deal to me. You win some, you lose some.

Like TJ said, if you're not tough enough to keep defending your corner, or if you're not willing to admit defeat, or you can't just shut up about it sometimes, get off of the Mane.

Or change your screen name.

har har

Beavis sucks...

baja
09-18-2010, 03:00 PM
No kidding. We sure don't want to see compliant football. With all due respect to the grammatically-challenged Baja.

Like you never hit the wrong choice in spell check

BTW its a spelling error not a grammer error.

Blueflame
09-18-2010, 03:04 PM
Perhaps an equally relevant question is what would Josh haveto do to win over his assailers?? answer .. Nothing would work. He could win two SB in a row in coming years, and still for the die hard haters Shanny would have won three in a row with the same team.

Alas, its the internet age where polarization and hate are the currency of the day.

I don't believe for a second that this is true. As one of the "McDaniels skeptics", my take is: What he needs to do is prove he can win. A good start would be to get back above .500 this weekend with a now-overconfident and overrated Seattle team. Kick their butts and win a few more games and then maybe we'll talk. 9 losses in the last 11 games isn't gonna cut it though... McDaniels' team has to improve or there will be no respite from the criticism and this means from the media as well as most of the fanbase (not just the "McDaniels assailers" you referenced).

Naggle Nole
09-18-2010, 03:05 PM
In regards to your defensive identity question, that is a pretty good one though
The future of the offense is pretty clear
Power running game highlighted by Knowshon, smart and versatile O-line, WRs that are tailor-made for their role in the offense, QB with diverse skills (Tebow), TEs that are dominant blockers with the occasion ability to exploit matchups and provide red zone threats
All very exciting stuff, and all of which playing into the "amoeba" idea

Defense isn't quite so clear to me
I am guessing that we would want to be amoeba here as well
The D seems to have a similar plan to the O
We should have a strong, physical front 7 that is capable of generating pressure without exposing the back of our D

I see absolute must needs at NT, ILB, and DE, with somewhat lesser needs at CB and S

There is no way Jamal Williams is a significant contributor past next year
Ideally, we draft his protege next April
Bannan has one of the bookend DE spots locked down, but I think even the coaching staff would agree that McBean is not ideal as a starter
That absolutely needs to be upgraded
Guys like Fields, McBean and Thomas make for great rotation guys, not great starters

We absolutely must have a dominant run-stuffing ILB next to DJ
Even if we drafted a 2-down guy, I think everyone is pretty sick of watching TE's rape us year after year
With Gates, Miller and possibly Meaki in our division for years to come, this is a major problem
We could hold out hope that Joe Mays becomes that guy, but we can't expect everything to pan out
We also really need to have at least one coverage specialist LB/big safety
Ideally that would be the ILB starter, but ILBs capable of dominant run stuffing that also possess coverage ability are top 15 picks like Jerod Mayo and Rolando McClain
Woodyard, despite his speed, has not shown that type of ability
I am sure we all remember how good Sam Brandon was for us, and that makes the Patriots' poaching of Barrett even more frustrating

And what about Champ?
Even if he continues to be superhuman and holds down a CB spot, he can't maintain his level of play past 2 or 3 more years
We would still need another corner or two, unless we want to maintain a homer outlook that Cox, Thompson and Vaughn will ALL pan out

Do you move Champ to safety? And if so, who becomes SS between him and McBath?
Champ's skills obviously dictate that he become a FS, but McBath doesn't seem to be a SS prototype
For one, he seems to be a little fragile, and his skills seem to be in tackling angles and coverage, both of which are suited for the FS role
Bruton certainly brings the wood, but he has very little experience and is likely going to be a coverage liability, at least initially

Very interesting food for thought on that issue
Our defensive identity is the biggest question mark for our team moving forward IMO

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 03:07 PM
har har

Beavis sucks...

Well, none of that applies to you obviously.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
09-18-2010, 03:11 PM
the mane will be painted in the blood of all the posters who will go to war against each other. btw you sobs im packing a supersoaker just try to kill me mofos. ahahahaahaha

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 03:13 PM
Like you never hit the wrong choice in spell check

BTW its a spelling error not a grammer error.

I don't use spell check, because I took advantage of a good US educational system. And yeah, sorry, but it was a grammar error. No big deal, just picking on you some. Feel free to retaliate, been there done that. I know how the Mane works.

baja
09-18-2010, 03:16 PM
Absolute embarrassing

ha ha - fixed

baja
09-18-2010, 03:19 PM
I don't use spell check, because I took advantage of a good US educational system. And yeah, sorry, but it was a grammar error. No big deal, just picking on you some. Feel free to retaliate, been there done that. I know how the Mane works.

I am slightly dyslexic thus spelling does not come easy for me.

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 03:19 PM
I don't believe for a second that this is true. As one of the "McDaniels skeptics", my take is: What he needs to do is prove he can win. A good start would be to get back above .500 this weekend with a now-overconfident and overrated Seattle team. Kick their butts and win a few more games and then maybe we'll talk. 9 losses in the last 11 games isn't gonna cut it though... McDaniels' team has to improve or there will be no respite from the criticism and this means from the media as well as most of the fanbase (not just the "McDaniels assailers" you referenced).

It's way too early to think it could get ugly from us homers. Waaaay too early.

Punisher
09-18-2010, 03:29 PM
I can't wait to this ****ing waste gets fired

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 03:31 PM
In regards to your defensive identity question, that is a pretty good one though
The future of the offense is pretty clear
Power running game highlighted by Knowshon, smart and versatile O-line, WRs that are tailor-made for their role in the offense, QB with diverse skills (Tebow), TEs that are dominant blockers with the occasion ability to exploit matchups and provide red zone threats
All very exciting stuff, and all of which playing into the "amoeba" idea

Defense isn't quite so clear to me
I am guessing that we would want to be amoeba here as well
The D seems to have a similar plan to the O
We should have a strong, physical front 7 that is capable of generating pressure without exposing the back of our D

I see absolute must needs at NT, ILB, and DE, with somewhat lesser needs at CB and S

There is no way Jamal Williams is a significant contributor past next year
Ideally, we draft his protege next April
Bannan has one of the bookend DE spots locked down, but I think even the coaching staff would agree that McBean is not ideal as a starter
That absolutely needs to be upgraded
Guys like Fields, McBean and Thomas make for great rotation guys, not great starters

We absolutely must have a dominant run-stuffing ILB next to DJ
Even if we drafted a 2-down guy, I think everyone is pretty sick of watching TE's rape us year after year
With Gates, Miller and possibly Meaki in our division for years to come, this is a major problem
We could hold out hope that Joe Mays becomes that guy, but we can't expect everything to pan out
We also really need to have at least one coverage specialist LB/big safety
Ideally that would be the ILB starter, but ILBs capable of dominant run stuffing that also possess coverage ability are top 15 picks like Jerod Mayo and Rolando McClain
Woodyard, despite his speed, has not shown that type of ability
I am sure we all remember how good Sam Brandon was for us, and that makes the Patriots' poaching of Barrett even more frustrating

And what about Champ?
Even if he continues to be superhuman and holds down a CB spot, he can't maintain his level of play past 2 or 3 more years
We would still need another corner or two, unless we want to maintain a homer outlook that Cox, Thompson and Vaughn will ALL pan out

Do you move Champ to safety? And if so, who becomes SS between him and McBath?
Champ's skills obviously dictate that he become a FS, but McBath doesn't seem to be a SS prototype
For one, he seems to be a little fragile, and his skills seem to be in tackling angles and coverage, both of which are suited for the FS role
Bruton certainly brings the wood, but he has very little experience and is likely going to be a coverage liability, at least initially

Very interesting food for thought on that issue
Our defensive identity is the biggest question mark for our team moving forward IMO

I'd like to see it addressed. There's still some problems.

The MVPlaya
09-18-2010, 03:37 PM
I don't believe for a second that this is true. As one of the "McDaniels skeptics", my take is: What he needs to do is prove he can win. A good start would be to get back above .500 this weekend with a now-overconfident and overrated Seattle team.

I agree with the bold.

However, a win this weekend doesn't put the team over .500, it puts the team right at .500 and then a home game next weekend against the Colts.

The MVPlaya
09-18-2010, 03:38 PM
I'd like to see it addressed. There's still some problems.

There will always be problems no matter if you're a SB team or if you're a #1 draft pick team.

baja
09-18-2010, 03:38 PM
I'd like to see it addressed. There's still some problems.
Last edited by Cito Pelon; 09-18-2010 at 02:35 PM..

You had to edit this one line and you want to tease me about my spelling? K. ;D

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 03:41 PM
You had to edit this one line and you want to tease me about my spelling? K. ;D

Well, Naggle had a good post and I wanted to reply but I didn't want to argue too much.

Edit: You don't dictate to me how I post. K? :approve: J/k, just thought I'd edit to piss you off.

baja
09-18-2010, 03:45 PM
Well, Naggle had a good post and I wanted to reply but I didn't want to argue too much.

You could do what Buff does, copy & delete / fix and repost so the "BroncoBuff edited post" does not show. ;D

Houshyamama
09-18-2010, 05:40 PM
Montrose is OFF the bandwagon.

fontaine
09-18-2010, 06:30 PM
McDaniels should be criticized for making dumba$$ decisions like trading a first for Smith.

He's not the first or last coach to **** up a draft.

The point is any good coach needs a lot of luck in the draft and also how to get the best out of players that do make it in the league. I think he's got a lot of good things going for him but plenty of disadvantages.

He's no different to most other coaches in the league in that you've got to put together a competitive team in the league and hope you land that franchise QB or elite front 7.

I think we'll know at the end of the season if the roster he's put together is good enough to compete week in week out.

And then it's hope to hell that Tebow becomes the QB we all know he can and we find a couple of stud DL.

That's all it takes to become a perennial contender.

WolfpackGuy
09-18-2010, 06:41 PM
And then it's hope to hell that Tebow becomes the QB we all know he can and we find a couple of stud DL

Probably the most disturbing part of all this wheeling and dealing is the DL has not been addressed in 2 drafts.

AT ALL.

NFLBRONCO
09-18-2010, 06:46 PM
Probably the most disturbing part of all this wheeling and dealing is the DL has not been addressed in 2 drafts.

AT ALL.


Yep

I wouldn't be that concerned about it if we needed 1 DL but, when you need 3 DL that's a huge job.

gyldenlove
09-18-2010, 06:50 PM
I'd like to see it addressed. There's still some problems.

It has been a weakness for a while and looks like it will be for another while. Williams could fall apart any day and even if he lasts the year what are the odds that he plays next year? Currently we have no young DLs other than Facemask Mcbean who really have any sort of starting quality.

There are a few potential 5-techs in next years draft, and I guess we could potentially break the bank for Franklin if the 49ers do not get a deal done and do not franchise him again, but really right now it is not a rosy future for the d-line, mixed in with the lack of depth at LB that could become a problem.

WolfpackGuy
09-18-2010, 06:52 PM
Yep

I wouldn't be that concerned about it if we needed 1 DL but, when you need 3 DL that's a huge job.

There were plenty of decent ones on the boards EARLY the last two years.

They should've been carpet bombing the DL.

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 07:00 PM
McDaniels should be criticized for making dumba$$ decisions like trading a first for Smith.

He's not the first or last coach to **** up a draft.

The point is any good coach needs a lot of luck in the draft and also how to get the best out of players that do make it in the league. I think he's got a lot of good things going for him but plenty of disadvantages.

He's no different to most other coaches in the league in that you've got to put together a competitive team in the league and hope you land that franchise QB or elite front 7.

I think we'll know at the end of the season if the roster he's put together is good enough to compete week in week out.

And then it's hope to hell that Tebow becomes the QB we all know he can and we find a couple of stud DL.

That's all it takes to become a perennial contender.

Well, ya gotta hope for the best.

strafen
09-18-2010, 07:04 PM
Is it possible we are witnessing the birth of the next brand of Broncos football? Tenacious, smart players who know the situations and the roles expected of them. Much like the other opening seasons of the previous eras, pain is to be expected.

:Broncos:

You mean like having only 10 players on the field?

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 07:13 PM
Probably the most disturbing part of all this wheeling and dealing is the DL has not been addressed in 2 drafts.

AT ALL.

Certainly a glaring omission. They gambled wrong.

Naggle Nole
09-18-2010, 07:18 PM
Yep

I wouldn't be that concerned about it if we needed 1 DL but, when you need 3 DL that's a huge job.

No reason yet to believe that Bannan cannot provide one of those spots for us
In a perfect world, we need a long term replacement for Williams and an upgrade for McBean
That being said, it isn't as if those two absolutely suck
You can do a lot worse than a rotation of McBean, Bannan and Marcus Thomas at DE with Williams and Fields at NT
Can you do better? Sure, but it isn't a famine out there

Keep in mind that we need guys who play to their roles
You show me one 3-4 team that has a dominant NT and two elite pass rushing DEs
Hell, theoretically McBean and Bannan could be quite solid
They just need to stack the line and stop grabbing facemask

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 07:21 PM
It has been a weakness for a while and looks like it will be for another while. Williams could fall apart any day and even if he lasts the year what are the odds that he plays next year? Currently we have no young DLs other than Facemask Mcbean who really have any sort of starting quality.

There are a few potential 5-techs in next years draft, and I guess we could potentially break the bank for Franklin if the 49ers do not get a deal done and do not franchise him again, but really right now it is not a rosy future for the d-line, mixed in with the lack of depth at LB that could become a problem.

I'd like to see Denver field a kickass defense, I'm not gonna criticise too much.

broncosteven
09-18-2010, 07:59 PM
...

Speaking only for myself, I'm not worried about Josh winning 5 straight Superbowls. I'd like one win at this point, and then I might be so bold to hope for 2 straight. Either way, I don't expect Bowlen to give up on Josh as quickly as Josh gave up on Gonzo. He's going to be here for this season, and I'd wager at least one more regardless of how this one ends. My advice to people who are tired of anti-Josh sentiment is to spend your time discussing pro-Josh sentiment with pro-Josh people, skipping over the posts that will inevitably come against him, and look forward to better days when the reasons to have faith in the guy and his plan finally materialize and you get your chance to say "I was right all along. Go Broncos!"

You are going to be a Kickassed parent and mentor to your kids. Well said!

Br0nc0Buster
09-18-2010, 08:08 PM
yea we need some youth on the Dline, also depending on how Haggan does we might need a new starter at SILB
we also need a RT on offense

I wont go as far as to say the Dline has been ignored though, Josh came in here and had to construct the whole team, not just focus on a specific part

its just taking longer than hoped because he couldnt fix all the problems at once, some had to be dealt with later

Cito Pelon
09-18-2010, 08:42 PM
yea we need some youth on the Dline, also depending on how Haggan does we might need a new starter at SILB
we also need a RT on offense

I wont go as far as to say the Dline has been ignored though, Josh came in here and had to construct the whole team, not just focus on a specific part

its just taking longer than hoped because he couldnt fix all the problems at once, some had to be dealt with later

True.

watermock
09-18-2010, 11:31 PM
If Beavis pulls another at home loss like Oakland and KC, wow, Denver could be a 1-5 team.

TheReverend
09-18-2010, 11:49 PM
True.

Yeah. Definitely true. That offense needed to be dealt with asap. The defense could wait.

hambone13
09-19-2010, 12:12 AM
I'm not sure why anyone thinks any of this is new. Back when we opened, the fan base was split on Griese, and argued incessantly about it then. Then it was Plummer. Then it was Coyer. Now it's Josh.

Posters come and go. The log out button is easy to access for anyone who thinks this place isn't worth their time. Whenever someone complains about this place, they just come across as an internet lightweight.

The only real differenve between earlier times and now is that we're in the middle of the worst losing streak in Orange Mane history. I'm not sure why anyone would imagine that this place would be smiley and happy through it.

Suck it up whiners. This community will get through this era, win or lose, and will survive to argue about the next one.

Fantastic summary of reality. This.

Taco John
09-19-2010, 12:18 AM
yea we need some youth on the Dline, also depending on how Haggan does we might need a new starter at SILB
we also need a RT on offense

I wont go as far as to say the Dline has been ignored though, Josh came in here and had to construct the whole team, not just focus on a specific part

its just taking longer than hoped because he couldnt fix all the problems at once, some had to be dealt with later

This nearly word for word the defense I made for Shanahan a year ago, with just a few names changed.

strafen
09-19-2010, 12:24 AM
yea we need some youth on the Dline, also depending on how Haggan does we might need a new starter at SILB
we also need a RT on offense

I wont go as far as to say the Dline has been ignored though, Josh came in here and had to construct the whole team, not just focus on a specific part

its just taking longer than hoped because he couldnt fix all the problems at once, some had to be dealt with laterWell, it was common knowledge that the defense was his biggest priority coming in as a new head coach. He faild to addressed that not only in last year's draft, but this year's as well.
Starting with the defense as his priority was a good start, but before you knew, he was rebuilding the whole team, and here we are no better off now than we were when he first took over.
Yes, it's taken some time, and it looks like it's going to take even longer...

hambone13
09-19-2010, 12:43 AM
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hambone13
09-19-2010, 12:57 AM
I think it is a very small group who at the end of the day truly would like to see the Broncos fail to prove their point. Much smaller than you think, I do believe there is a group of people who pull the "I told you so" routine at every possible opportunity, however many of them are the end of the day are still cheering for the team on the field and only revert to their spiteful tone after the game is over.

For the specific example of Al Smith, I was one of his detractors, not a big fan of the pick and not a big fan of the trade that landed us the pick, but then the same can very well be said for Jay Cutler, Eddie Royal, Tony Scheffler and Richard Quinn, I hated all those picks. That doesn't mean I hate the players once they play for us, in fact Eddie Royal is one of my favourite Broncos. Al Smith just didn't manage to prove me wrong, I hoped he would, but he didn't, Eddie Royal did and I love it.



I do think at the outset of last season there were 3 groups, the pros, the cons and the wait-and-sees, I think a lot of people who were not sure if Mcdaniels could pull it off and had critized some of the moves he made were pleasantly surprised when the team went 6-0 including beating some very good teams. A few people just silently disappeared I am sure, but many really did support the team.

I don't often agree with your positions but this one is very accurate and well articulated, IMO. Just because a post takes a negative tone does not a hater make. There are a few posters that are just down right bitter....but even they love the team....they just loved it a different way, more.

hambone13
09-19-2010, 01:01 AM
You know what?

I think people are hyper sensitive about McDaniels and I think it might stem from some of the absurdly over the top support from his fanatical "Josh's piss cures cancer!" posters.

For example, Popps just posted this:



I was going to make a Jarvis Green/Lekevin Smith joke, but then I realized everyone would start attacking it as a negative post and not supporting the team, where a similar post just a few years back say making fun of signing Kenard Lang after the prior wave of Browncos would've been met with "Haha, you got me".

Sooooo, yeah, I think the majority of this "anti-Josh" sentiment is imaginary. While some certainly do perpetuate the stereotype, there are also quite a few on the other side of the step exaggerating circumstances every step of the way.

Spectacular post. All responses having sniper accuracy.

hambone13
09-19-2010, 01:04 AM
What exactly is "Broncos" football?

Originally it was about world and soul crushing defense and mediocre offense.

Then it was about average offense and average defense, playing mistake free football then loosing your HOF QB in the 4th qtr to pull games out of his ass.

Then it was about the run, outhustling people and making teams hate having to come to mile high. The HOF QB was not required to win games, he didnt have to.

That turned into "Madden" offense. Tons of yards, no points and ****ty D.

Is it possible we are witnessing the birth of the next brand of Broncos football? Tenacious, smart players who know the situations and the roles expected of them. Much like the other opening seasons of the previous eras, pain is to be expected.

:Broncos:

This is incredibly well written, concise forward thinking and interesting.

Archer81
09-19-2010, 02:26 AM
You mean like having only 10 players on the field?

Apparently you, in your stunningly disturbing obtuseness missed the "there will be pain" part of my post?

Course you did. Cuz you are a ****tard.

:Broncos:

Blueflame
09-19-2010, 02:54 AM
I agree with the bold.

However, a win this weekend doesn't put the team over .500, it puts the team right at .500 and then a home game next weekend against the Colts.

A win tomorrow and McDaniels' Broncos will no longer be below .500... as they are at this moment.

Dagmar
09-19-2010, 08:35 AM
If Beavis pulls another at home loss like Oakland and KC, wow, Denver could be a 1-5 team.

If my auntie had balls she'd be my uncle. What's your point bruv?

The MVPlaya
09-19-2010, 08:39 AM
A win tomorrow and McDaniels' Broncos will no longer be below .500... as they are at this moment.

... I know... ???

You said

A good start would be to get back above .500 this weekend with a now-overconfident and overrated Seattle team.

Rock Chalk
09-19-2010, 09:07 AM
I guess that's a reponse one would expect from the "landlord".

We may have had differences of opinion in the beginning, but we didn't have "fans" wishing that the team would crash and burn to validate their thoughts.

This.

Griese haters and Griese lovers NEVER bashed the team. NEVER thought we would lose. Fans were divided on the QB but you never saw the posters actively wishing for the team to fail to justify their point.

That's the problem I have with many of the newer posters (Post Griese era Posters).

My experience on this site has taught me one thing. It is a microcosm of the US in general. There is no gray area here, there is only black or white and they are extreme positions, much like the political landscape in this country (by this country I mean America baja, not your **** hole Mexico).

Some folks tend to keep an even keel on things, and those folks are to be applauded. I like reading Drek's posts for example. While he tends to lean towards the optimistic side of things, he doesn't wear orange colored glasses. Whereas people like jhns are extreme haters and nothing we do is good and nothing we have is good. We are doomed to failure.

Im more of an optimist about the Broncos but I have no illusions that we are going to the superbowl. Im fairly pessimistic that we make the playoffs this year but I Dont think the general direction the team is going is bad. I dont love McD, but I dont hate him either.

baja
09-19-2010, 09:41 AM
What do I or Mexico have to do with what your post is about

BTW here is a map of "America";

http://mt0.google.com/vt/data=LtgX-e3f8ctI3U5dJtbt7EJ1ZfRneYme,EofSYQJTNLANN173wVTFp4 55FhFo7KBN5gZ5QoPgJ8KbHo8JMuoC0WxKoOF3riftQjJ0OmY9 Ysdkt9ZmFog

Dagmar
09-19-2010, 09:43 AM
What do I or Mexico have to do with what your post is about

BTW here is a map of "America";

http://mt0.google.com/vt/data=LtgX-e3f8ctI3U5dJtbt7EJ1ZfRneYme,EofSYQJTNLANN173wVTFp4 55FhFo7KBN5gZ5QoPgJ8KbHo8JMuoC0WxKoOF3riftQjJ0OmY9 Ysdkt9ZmFog

I think that's officially the continent of "North America".

Gort
09-19-2010, 09:53 AM
This.

Griese haters and Griese lovers NEVER bashed the team. NEVER thought we would lose. Fans were divided on the QB but you never saw the posters actively wishing for the team to fail to justify their point.

That's the problem I have with many of the newer posters (Post Griese era Posters).

My experience on this site has taught me one thing. It is a microcosm of the US in general. There is no gray area here, there is only black or white and they are extreme positions, much like the political landscape in this country (by this country I mean America baja, not your **** hole Mexico).

Some folks tend to keep an even keel on things, and those folks are to be applauded. I like reading Drek's posts for example. While he tends to lean towards the optimistic side of things, he doesn't wear orange colored glasses. Whereas people like jhns are extreme haters and nothing we do is good and nothing we have is good. We are doomed to failure.

Im more of an optimist about the Broncos but I have no illusions that we are going to the superbowl. Im fairly pessimistic that we make the playoffs this year but I Dont think the general direction the team is going is bad. I dont love McD, but I dont hate him either.

i think you're misreading the cause. i think it's more to do with the age of the posters. it seems to me that the older (aka more knowledgeable and experienced) fans have started leaving and they're being replaced by alot of younger fans (25 and under). they know much less and have experienced much less, so their reactions are more extreme. and also, these kids have grown up in a different culture. more "in your face" and more "argumentative" even when they don't know what they are talking about. blame it on TV, rap music, ESPN, whatever... i don't really know for sure. i just know that alot of them are lacking in maturity. not all of them. but many of them. every generation has had people like this. it just seems like its becoming more common to me.

anyone 25 or under who doesn't think this applies to you, then my apologies. it's a generalization and like all generalizations, there will always be exceptions.

so, in summary, i think the overall maturity level of the site is dropping a bit. :)

OABB
09-19-2010, 10:19 AM
i think you're misreading the cause. i think it's more to do with the age of the posters. it seems to me that the older (aka more knowledgeable and experienced) fans have started leaving and they're being replaced by alot of younger fans (25 and under). they know much less and have experienced much less, so their reactions are more extreme. and also, these kids have grown up in a different culture. more "in your face" and more "argumentative" even when they don't know what they are talking about. blame it on TV, rap music, ESPN, whatever... i don't really know for sure. i just know that alot of them are lacking in maturity. not all of them. but many of them. every generation has had people like this. it just seems like its becoming more common to me.

anyone 25 or under who doesn't think this applies to you, then my apologies. it's a generalization and like all generalizations, there will always be exceptions.

so, in summary, i think the overall maturity level of the site is dropping a bit. :)


The 80s era of the feminist movement and baby boomers horrible and selfish parenting is who I blame. A nation of whiney and petulant little ****s. No wonder most are butthurt over losing their poster child Cutler.

Rock Chalk
09-19-2010, 10:57 AM
i think you're misreading the cause. i think it's more to do with the age of the posters. it seems to me that the older (aka more knowledgeable and experienced) fans have started leaving and they're being replaced by alot of younger fans (25 and under). they know much less and have experienced much less, so their reactions are more extreme. and also, these kids have grown up in a different culture. more "in your face" and more "argumentative" even when they don't know what they are talking about. blame it on TV, rap music, ESPN, whatever... i don't really know for sure. i just know that alot of them are lacking in maturity. not all of them. but many of them. every generation has had people like this. it just seems like its becoming more common to me.

anyone 25 or under who doesn't think this applies to you, then my apologies. it's a generalization and like all generalizations, there will always be exceptions.

so, in summary, i think the overall maturity level of the site is dropping a bit. :)

That would be true but when this site was formed a lot of us that post here were in that demographic you just said. I came on here at the age of 25 and many of the older posters (time here on the mane, not actual age) were also in that demographic.

Perhaps what you say has some merit as we older (now) posters have been using this internetz for a while but were not raised on it so we have a different perspective than some of these younger retards though.

OABB
09-19-2010, 10:57 AM
If The Mane was a reality TV show, what would it be called?

The vagina monolouges.

Archer81
09-19-2010, 11:06 AM
What do I or Mexico have to do with what your post is about

BTW here is a map of "America";

http://mt0.google.com/vt/data=LtgX-e3f8ctI3U5dJtbt7EJ1ZfRneYme,EofSYQJTNLANN173wVTFp4 55FhFo7KBN5gZ5QoPgJ8KbHo8JMuoC0WxKoOF3riftQjJ0OmY9 Ysdkt9ZmFog


According to my college geography textbook, Mexico is not part of North America. Society and culture puts in line more with central America...but then again that book is full of ****.

:Broncos:

Gort
09-19-2010, 11:10 AM
That would be true but when this site was formed a lot of us that post here were in that demographic you just said. I came on here at the age of 25 and many of the older posters (time here on the mane, not actual age) were also in that demographic.

Perhaps what you say has some merit as we older (now) posters have been using this internetz for a while but were not raised on it so we have a different perspective than some of these younger retards though.

i think the latest generation was raised to believe that each and every one of them was a precious, unique little snowflake and that each and every bowel movement they made was special and important to the world. it's no wonder they think every opinion or fleeting thought they might have is worth posting. and if anyone disagrees with it, they must argue the point ad nauseum because clearly the reader is not seeing the pure brilliance of what they've posted.

;)

obviously, not all kids from this generation are like that (so no offense to the well-adjusted 25-and-under crowd on OM), but an unhealthy percentage are.

Archer81
09-19-2010, 11:18 AM
i think the latest generation was raised to believe that each and every one of them was a precious, unique little snowflake and that each and every bowel movement they made was special and important to the world. it's no wonder they think every opinion or fleeting thought they might have is worth posting. and if anyone disagrees with it, they must argue the point ad nauseum because clearly the reader is not seeing the pure brilliance of what they've posted.

;)

obviously, not all kids from this generation are like that (so no offense to the well-adjusted 25-and-under crowd on OM), but an unhealthy percentage are.


http://tinyurl.com/22rwpx6


:Broncos:

baja
09-19-2010, 11:20 AM
According to my college geography textbook, Mexico is not part of North America. Society and culture puts in line more with central America...but then again that book is full of ****.

:Broncos:

Really? Geography textbooks? Does your school have a street address or is it exclusively Internet? ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories _in_North_America

Culturally?

Really, go to LA sometime. ;D

Archer81
09-19-2010, 11:23 AM
Really? Geography textbooks? Does your school have a street address or is it exclusively Internet? ;D

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependent_territories _in_North_America

Culturally?

Really, go to LA sometime. ;D


This tetbook also says that poverty around the world is the result of "harsh" US-European consumerism...so I took it with a grain of salt. IMO, North America goes from Panama north.

:Broncos:

baja
09-19-2010, 11:28 AM
This tetbook also says that poverty around the world is the result of "harsh" US-European consumerism...so I took it with a grain of salt. IMO, North America goes from Panama north.

:Broncos:

I got your ' tongue in cheek' the first time bro, my post was mainly for the other readers that might believe what your textbook declared.

colonelbeef
09-19-2010, 12:04 PM
Perhaps an equally relevant question is what would Josh haveto do to win over his assailers?? answer .. Nothing would work. He could win two SB in a row in coming years, and still for the die hard haters Shanny would have won three in a row with the same team.

Alas, its the internet age where polarization and hate are the currency of the day.

Dumb.

I am hardly anti-McDaniels. I am simply anti-stupid. He has made a slew of terrible personnel moves, the attempted Cassel trade was 100% retarded, and he has yet to truly address the #1 problem leading into last year as well as this year- the god damned defense. He has added players, but not on the line, and if anything the players added have made the unit older while marginally better.


The fist pumping was an embarrassment, and the current 2-9 stretch has been absolutely atrocious. I don't mind bold, I don't mind decisive. I do mind reckless behavior, and I especially mind ego run amok.

Comparing McDaniels to Shanahan is like comparing Rex Ryan to Bill Belichick.

It just makes you look like a clueless homer.

rbackfactory80
09-19-2010, 12:21 PM
i think the latest generation was raised to believe that each and every one of them was a precious, unique little snowflake and that each and every bowel movement they made was special and important to the world. it's no wonder they think every opinion or fleeting thought they might have is worth posting. and if anyone disagrees with it, they must argue the point ad nauseum because clearly the reader is not seeing the pure brilliance of what they've posted.

;)

obviously, not all kids from this generation are like that (so no offense to the well-adjusted 25-and-under crowd on OM), but an unhealthy percentage are.

Wow, lol. You are delusional. Everything you criticize in this post is exactly how you come across. Not to mention the prior post you made on this thread. How is the air up there a mile high because you seem like a condescending prick.

Your are so worldly. You are such a philosopher. Thank God for people who really know themselves and have their stuff together like you.

colonelbeef
09-19-2010, 12:44 PM
And even taking into account my previous post and somewhat pessimistic views on McDaniels at this point, I still say he has to get at the minimum 3 years to fully implement his personnel and strategy before any consideration can be given to moving him out.

Blueflame
09-19-2010, 01:21 PM
... I know... ???

You said

Semantics. It was clear what I meant. We need to break this losing streak and get back to even. Is that better?

Gort
09-19-2010, 03:54 PM
Wow, lol. You are delusional. Everything you criticize in this post is exactly how you come across. Not to mention the prior post you made on this thread. How is the air up there a mile high because you seem like a condescending prick.

Your are so worldly. You are such a philosopher. Thank God for people who really know themselves and have their stuff together like you.

oh go F yourself you miserable twit.

welcome to my ignore list. i suggest you do the same to me.

now F off.

rbackfactory80
09-19-2010, 03:59 PM
oh go F yourself you miserable twit.

welcome to my ignore list. i suggest you do the same to me.

now F off.

Nah man, I don't cry and put people on ignore. I will keep your posts open so I can learn the ways of the world from a veteran c-s ucker like you. Good day douche

colonelbeef
09-19-2010, 04:05 PM
Nah man, I don't cry and put people on ignore. I will keep your posts open so I can learn the ways of the world from a veteran c-s ucker like you. Good day douche

Ignore is for sallys, 100%.

manchambo
09-19-2010, 04:37 PM
I was about as critical as anyone of McDaniels when he first arrived.

But as I sit here today I'm not sure I would fire him if he loses every game this year. If you're watching these games and can't see that he's on the right track in building this team, you just aren't watching close enough. How would you like to try to defend against that receiving corps? I would put their four wideout set up against anyone's at this point. Moreno is looking like a very nice player. Do you think this OL will be any good with Harris back and a couple of games in for the rookies? And I don't think this defense is going down in history as one of the greats, but I don't think we're going to see any humilations like we have seen in recent years, either. Just too many solid defenders out there.

I still question whether it needed to be torn down to the degree he tore it down when he got here. But I have precious few complaints about what he's bringing in to replace it.

rbackfactory80
09-19-2010, 04:42 PM
Ignore is for sallys, 100%.

No question. Guy is such a douche he tells me he is putting me on ignore and suggest I follow suit. I appreciate his input but I think I'll decline.

HAT
12-14-2010, 10:16 AM
Soooooo? What has the 'Mane become?

Pick Six
12-14-2010, 10:20 AM
Soooooo? What has the 'Mane become?

Apparently, it's become a group of people who are longing for the good ol' days of mediocrity...:rofl:

jhns
12-14-2010, 10:23 AM
Soooooo? What has the 'Mane become?

McDaniels fans vs the world. Pretty much what he predicted.

HAT
12-14-2010, 10:25 AM
McDaniels fans vs the world. Pretty much what he predicted.

Funny....I don't see a prediction in the OP?

I was thinking about this while looking through the most recent McD thread. Lets say at year's end he's canned and a new coach is brought in (unlikely but just consider it). How does the Mane react?

Do Mock and Jhns suddenty become the world's biggest fanboys for whomever is brought in? Do Tsiguy and Baja instantly hate this new coach and trash everything he does that flies in the face of McD, meanwhile becoming fans of whatever team McD goes to? And does Taco (and others) now hate BOTH McD and the new coach because they're still mad Shanny was fired and think the '08 Broncos were on their way to greatness? Is there any coach that can bring peace? Gary Kubiak? Kyle Shanahan? Would a firing of McD unite the Mane behind the new coach? Or prehaps unite it in hate behind him? It's facinating to consider...

jhns
12-14-2010, 10:31 AM
Funny....I don't see a prediction in the OP?

Fine, everything he asked can be answered with a "yes"...

Obviously not the stuff involving the new coach as we don't have one yet. You bumped it early. McDaniels fans are all pissy now though and people like me are supporting the direction the team is going, at least so far.

broncosteven
12-14-2010, 10:53 AM
I was thinking about this while looking through the most recent McD thread. Lets say at year's end he's canned and a new coach is brought in (unlikely but just consider it). How does the Mane react?

Do Mock and Jhns suddenty become the world's biggest fanboys for whomever is brought in? Do Tsiguy and Baja instantly hate this new coach and trash everything he does that flies in the face of McD, meanwhile becoming fans of whatever team McD goes to? And does Taco (and others) now hate BOTH McD and the new coach because they're still mad Shanny was fired and think the '08 Broncos were on their way to greatness? Is there any coach that can bring peace? Gary Kubiak? Kyle Shanahan? Would a firing of McD unite the Mane behind the new coach? Or prehaps unite it in hate behind him? It's facinating to consider...

Montrose was 1/2 right, Baja turned into a hater but TSI actually became levelheaded.

I admit to being amazed that at least 1/2 the mCd fanboys turned on their team and became everything they accused me of in 2008 just for being a pessimist. I figured that they were really superfans and would support their team no matter who was the HC. Apparently they just had agenda's.

Seems like those of us who where critical of mCd are happy he is gone and have some renewed optimism that the next change will be for the better.

Maybe that changes again should Bowlen not learn from his mistake and hire another douche nozzel but at least the last couple weeks of the year will be interesting to watch.

Archer81
12-14-2010, 10:55 AM
Ever read Needful Things by Steven King?

There ya go. That is what the Orangemane became.

:Broncos:

vancejohnson82
12-14-2010, 11:19 AM
Fine, everything he asked can be answered with a "yes"...

Obviously not the stuff involving the new coach as we don't have one yet. You bumped it early. McDaniels fans are all pissy now though and people like me are supporting the direction the team is going, at least so far.

other than canning McDaniels what kind of a direction has the team gone in? We are still sitting Tebow, the offense looks worse, the defense just wants the schedule to play out and we havent even hinted at what kind of a coach we are looking for.

The Elway talks and Moreno are the only bright spots as far as direction....is that what you mean?

bronco militia
12-14-2010, 11:26 AM
this place hasn't changed since 2002

Boobs McGee
12-14-2010, 11:28 AM
And even taking into account my previous post and somewhat pessimistic views on McDaniels at this point, I still say he has to get at the minimum 3 years to fully implement his personnel and strategy before any consideration can be given to moving him out.

Lol.

jhns
12-14-2010, 11:29 AM
other than canning McDaniels what kind of a direction has the team gone in? We are still sitting Tebow, the offense looks worse, the defense just wants the schedule to play out and we havent even hinted at what kind of a coach we are looking for.

The Elway talks and Moreno are the only bright spots as far as direction....is that what you mean?

The offense got worse? LOL... They were better in the first week without McDaniels than they were the last week with McDaniels... What did Orton have again, 80 yards?

The better direction is the one that doesn't include McDaniels. The "so far" does mean that this could change when they start making new hires.

Homer Simpson
12-14-2010, 11:30 AM
Montrose was 1/2 right, Baja turned into a hater but TSI actually became levelheaded.

I admit to being amazed that at least 1/2 the mCd fanboys turned on their team and became everything they accused me of in 2008 just for being a pessimist. I figured that they were really superfans and would support their team no matter who was the HC. Apparently they just had agenda's.

Seems like those of us who where critical of mCd are happy he is gone and have some renewed optimism that the next change will be for the better.

Maybe that changes again should Bowlen not learn from his mistake and hire another douche nozzel but at least the last couple weeks of the year will be interesting to watch.

I think when baja said he hoped the Raiders beat our asses we were all pretty shocked.

vancejohnson82
12-14-2010, 11:47 AM
The offense got worse? LOL... They were better in the first week without McDaniels than they were the last week with McDaniels... What did Orton have again, 80 yards?

The better direction is the one that doesn't include McDaniels. The "so far" does mean that this could change when they start making new hires.

did you watch the game against the Cardinals? we gave up 43 points to John Skelton...

we had 6 turnovers

Orton had a 27.1 QB rating....

what the hell are you smoking?

jhns
12-14-2010, 11:54 AM
did you watch the game against the Cardinals? we gave up 43 points to John Skelton...

we had 6 turnovers

Orton had a 27.1 QB rating....

what the hell are you smoking?

You said the offense looks worse. I commented on the offense not being worse. What does Skelton have to do with our offense? How is that proof that we are worse? We gave up more, and franchise records, to the Raiders when McDaniels was here.

Did you watch the week before? You are saying that was a better offensive performance?

LOL....

vancejohnson82
12-14-2010, 11:58 AM
You said the offense looks worse. I commented on the offense not being worse. What does Skelton have to do with our offense? How is that proof that we are worse? We gave up more, and franchise records, to the Raiders when McDaniels was here.

Did you watch the week before? You are saying that was a better offensive performance?

LOL....

you claimed that you liked the "direction" this team was headed...

the team looked like it had NO DIRECTION on Sunday

just admit it, you're happy McDaniels is gone...thats the only direction you care about

again, I'll pose the question...what direction are you happy with? Just say something that pertains to the Denver Broncos and the direction...don't say the offense becuase they looked awful again....don't talk about the Raiders because thats the past....whats the direction you like so much right now

oh, i can do these too

:thumbsup:
:rofl:
:thanku:
:cowgirl:

jhns
12-14-2010, 12:03 PM
you claimed that you liked the "direction" this team was headed...

the team looked like it had NO DIRECTION on Sunday

just admit it, you're happy McDaniels is gone...thats the only direction you care about

again, I'll pose the question...what direction are you happy with? Just say something that pertains to the Denver Broncos and the direction...don't say the offense becuase they looked awful again....don't talk about the Raiders because thats the past....whats the direction you like so much right now

oh, i can do these too

:thumbsup:
:rofl:
:thanku:
:cowgirl:

They also looked like they had no direction under McDaniels. Again, we had worse defensive performances and no offense in multiple games under McDaniels. We were no worse this last game. We played just as we have been playing all season.

Anyways, do you even read the posts that you are quoting? I have already said the better direction is the one that doesn't include McDaniels. We don't know anything else about our new direction because we can't hire the guy that makes that decision for a while.

vancejohnson82
12-14-2010, 12:12 PM
They also looked like they had no direction under McDaniels. Again, we had worse defensive performances and no offense in multiple games under McDaniels. We were no worse this last game. We played just as we have been playing all season.

Anyways, do you even read the posts that you are quoting? I have already said the better direction is the one that doesn't include McDaniels. We don't know anything else about our new direction because we can't hire the guy that makes that decision for a while.

Exactly....this team could lose its next 14 games and you would like to the direction because McDaniels isnt here....which is fine, thats your right...I'm just interested in this supposed direction you referred to

am i right to say that you would take no direction over any direction we were taking under McDaniels?

jhns
12-14-2010, 12:21 PM
am i right to say that you would take no direction over any direction we were taking under McDaniels?

Considering we were going in the wrong direction under McDaniels, sure.

vancejohnson82
12-14-2010, 12:26 PM
Considering we were going in the wrong direction under McDaniels, sure.

ok...thats all I wanted to know

Pick Six
12-14-2010, 12:31 PM
did you watch the game against the Cardinals? we gave up 43 points to John Skelton...

we had 6 turnovers

Orton had a 27.1 QB rating....

what the hell are you smoking?

To be fair, one of those touchdowns was a pick 6. Otherwise, your points are spot on...:thumbs::P

McDman
12-14-2010, 12:41 PM
I can't speak for anyone else but I would begin to manufacture reasons why McFail needed to be fired. Proclaim Pat a gutsy genius. Claim the new coach will be voted coach of the year and go 10 & 6

Or you'll have an epic meltdown...

HAT
12-14-2010, 12:42 PM
Or you'll have an epic meltdown...

:rofl:

McDman
12-14-2010, 12:44 PM
Ever read Needful Things by Steven King?

There ya go. That is what the Orangemane became.

:Broncos:

Pretty good book with a terrible ending. Stephen King has some serious problems ending his books.