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baja
09-17-2010, 01:39 PM
Josh had just played with Shanny's guys?

bowtown
09-17-2010, 01:39 PM
Niko would have a million sacks.

gyldenlove
09-17-2010, 01:41 PM
Is there going to be a "Purely hypothetical" option?

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 01:43 PM
Considering that 99% of them aren't in the NFL anymore...

I'd say we would have sucked major dick and McDaniels would still get blame for it. These fans are retarded, it's like a getting mad at a new girl friend. She may suck your dick better, but she ain't suckin it like the last one so you ain't happy. You're pretty much pissed of at your new GF because she can deep throat and your last could only get in the tip.

PRBronco
09-17-2010, 01:44 PM
Niko would have a million sacks.

Nate Webster would have 100 helmet projections.

HILife
09-17-2010, 01:45 PM
Considering that 99% of them aren't in the NFL anymore...

I'd say we would have sucked major dick and McDaniels would still get blame for it. These fans are retarded, it's like a getting mad at a new girl friend. She may suck your dick better, but she ain't suckin it like the last one so you ain't happy. You're pretty much pissed of at your new GF because she can deep throat and your last could only get in the tip.

Interesting. Do tell.

baja
09-17-2010, 01:46 PM
But safety play would be awesome....

HILife
09-17-2010, 01:46 PM
Nate Webster would have 100 helmet projections.

I miss the Nate Webster helmet count. Anybody know how many got counted?

baja
09-17-2010, 01:47 PM
Jay would be convulsing on the sidelines after Josh ripped him for an INT.

baja
09-17-2010, 01:48 PM
Marshall would be our punter.

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 01:48 PM
Considering that 99% of them aren't in the NFL anymore...

I'd say we would have sucked major dick and McDaniels would still get blame for it. These fans are retarded, it's like a getting mad at a new girl friend. She may suck your dick better, but she ain't suckin it like the last one so you ain't happy. You're pretty much pissed of at your new GF because she can deep throat and your last could only get in the tip.

ROFL!

this ain't the Penthouse Forum...

baja
09-17-2010, 01:48 PM
Slowwit would be our DC

Punisher
09-17-2010, 01:49 PM
11-5 Cutler and Marshall would of been awesome together by this point.

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 01:50 PM
ROFL!

this ain't the Penthouse Forum...

This is also a Broncos forum for Broncos fans, but I don't see everybody following those guidelines. You know... and online TAILGATE party.
LOL

Gcver2ver3
09-17-2010, 01:51 PM
well John Engleburger (or whatever) would be our defensive captain of course...you know, because of his "motor"...so i'd say we'd be about...

winless...

NYBronco
09-17-2010, 01:51 PM
11-5 Cutler and Marshall would of been awesome together by this point.

And Hillis would be our #1 back with thousands yards and hundreds of fumbles.

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 01:51 PM
11-5 Cutler and Marshall would of been awesome together by this point.

http://www.lolcatpics.com/images/iseewhatyoudid.jpg

baja
09-17-2010, 01:51 PM
11-5 Cutler and Marshall would of been awesome together by this point.

You mean the INT leader passing to the player with the most dropped passes, I see.

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 01:52 PM
Yeah, but Chad Mustard would still be here. ;D

Gcver2ver3
09-17-2010, 01:53 PM
11-5 Cutler and Marshall would of been awesome together by this point.

you're right...having two league leaders WOULD be awesome...

one that will lead the league in picks and one that would lead the league in drops...

yea that'd be awesome...

Gcver2ver3
09-17-2010, 01:53 PM
You mean the INT leader passing to the player with the most dropped passes, I see.

you beat me to it...

cmhargrove
09-17-2010, 01:56 PM
:deadhorse

Beantown Bronco
09-17-2010, 01:56 PM
Yeah, but Chad Mustard would still be here. ;D

Nah, it's Friday. He wouldn't be back with us until tomorrow or Sunday morning.

Punisher
09-17-2010, 01:58 PM
you're right...having two league leaders WOULD be awesome...

one that will lead the league in picks and one that would lead the league in drops...

yea that'd be awesome...

I was just kidding i rather have Orton and Gaffney silly me :wiggle:

jhns
09-17-2010, 01:59 PM
McDaniels would still be coach, which means we would still be ****ed.

baja
09-17-2010, 02:00 PM
I was just kidding i rather have Orton and Gaffney silly me :wiggle:

Don't forget to deduct two 1sts two 2nds and a 5th

Punisher
09-17-2010, 02:02 PM
Don't forget to deduct two 1sts two 2nds and a 5th

Yea i rather have Brandon Lloyd too he doesn't drop passes

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 02:02 PM
McDaniels would still be coach, which means we would still be ****ed.

Yeah. Look at how he ****ed up the Pats after Brady went down for the season and he had to rely on Cassell? Obviously, he knows nothing about football. At least not as much as jhns.

jhns
09-17-2010, 02:06 PM
Yeah. Look at how he ****ed up the Pats after Brady went down for the season and he had to rely on Cassell? Obviously, he knows nothing about football. At least not as much as jhns.

LOL

Now McDaniels is the reason the Pats have success? You mean the guy that wasn't even a coordinator during any of their SB wins? He is the reason they had one of the most talented offenses in the league to go with a good defense? Weird. Is that why they have sucked since he left and won't be good again?

baja
09-17-2010, 02:06 PM
Yeah. Look at how he ****ed up the Pats after Brady went down for the season and he had to rely on Cassell? Obviously, he knows nothing about football. At least not as much as jhns.

If the user name was jdns I would know it stood for Just Don't (k)Now Shiit but what does jhns stand for???

mr007
09-17-2010, 02:06 PM
Considering that 99% of them aren't in the NFL anymore...

I'd say we would have sucked major dick and McDaniels would still get blame for it. These fans are retarded, it's like a getting mad at a new girl friend. She may suck your dick better, but she ain't suckin it like the last one so you ain't happy. You're pretty much pissed of at your new GF because she can deep throat and your last could only get in the tip.

Dude you're an idiot.

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 02:07 PM
Dude you're an idiot.

The funny thing is, that analogy fits perfectly with these retards.

Punisher
09-17-2010, 02:09 PM
And i rather have Dan Gronkowski i think he's better than Tony Scheffler but that's just my opinion

Shoemaker
09-17-2010, 02:10 PM
LOL

Now McDaniels is the reason the Pats have success? You mean the guy that wasn't even a coordinator during any of their SB wins? He is the reason they had one of the most talented offenses in the league to go with a good defense? Weird. Is that why they have sucked since he left and won't be good again?

Wait, what are YOU claiming here, jhns?

Are you proposing the alternative: that McDaniels knows nothing about coaching in the NFL, and the Patriots offense that he called the plays for in 2007 and 2008 was successful despite his complete ineptitude?

Listen, I actually believe that McDaniels hasn't proved anything as a head coach in the NFL yet, and the jury is still out on whether he'll actually be successful at it.

But are you really trying to discount the accomplishments that made him a highly sought after coaching candidate in the first place?

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 02:12 PM
LOL

Now McDaniels is the reason the Pats have success? You mean the guy that wasn't even a coordinator during any of their SB wins? He is the reason they had one of the most talented offenses in the league to go with a good defense? Weird. Is that why they have sucked since he left and won't be good again?

Let's consult wiki:

In the 2007 season, with McDaniels at the helm of the offense, the Patriots set NFL records, scoring 75 touchdowns (67 on offense, 50 passing and 17 rushing) and 589 points, leading to rumors that McDaniels might leave the Patriots for a head coaching job.[5] McDaniels withdrew his name from consideration, however, during the Patriots' January 2008 playoff run. Shortly after the Patriots' loss in Super Bowl XLII, Patriots head coach Bill Belichick gave McDaniels a five-page typed report on what it takes to be an effective head coach and run a winning organization, which McDaniels termed "his bible." Throughout the 2008 season, the two would meet to discuss the report and allow McDaniels to ask non-coaching questions that he brought to later head coaching interviews.[6]

In the 2008 season, McDaniels led the offense to an 11-5 record with quarterback Matt Cassel, after starter Tom Brady suffered a season-ending injury in Week 1.

You're right, jhns. Who the **** would want to hire that guy? You're such an expert.

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 02:12 PM
Dude you're an idiot.

But I'm sorry, you might prefer girlfriend to boyfriend and other gay analogies.

Punisher
09-17-2010, 02:13 PM
Originally Posted by The MVPlaya http://orangemane.com/BB/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2937517#post2937517)
Considering that 99% of them aren't in the NFL anymore...

I'd say we would have sucked major dick and McDaniels would still get blame for it. These fans are retarded, it's like a getting mad at a new girl friend. She may suck your dick better, but she ain't suckin it like the last one so you ain't happy. You're pretty much pissed of at your new GF because she can deep throat and your last could only get in the tip.


And your last girlfriend lets you **** her in the ass and your new one doesn't.

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 02:15 PM
Enough with the porn, children. Women post here too.

jhns
09-17-2010, 02:17 PM
You're right, jhns. Who the **** would want to hire that guy? You're such an expert.

Not I. The Pats have more success with other coordinators that are **** head coaches. I would hire someone with some experience. Maybe a coach that had been a head coach at some level. Maybe a guy that was a coordinator for more than just two seasons, on a team that had more offensive talent than any other in the past decade. Talent that he didn't bring to the team.

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 02:17 PM
And your last girlfriend lets you **** her in the ass and your new one doesn't.

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~Crash~
09-17-2010, 02:19 PM
Josh had just played with Shanny's guys?

all of them ? Ha!Ha!ROFL!

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 02:20 PM
Enough with the porn, children. Women post here too.

Women don't watch porn?

Did you know that 1 in 2 women use/own a sex toy? And it's growing.

That number might actually be up by now.

Punisher
09-17-2010, 02:20 PM
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WABronco
09-17-2010, 02:22 PM
Women don't watch porn?

Did you know that 1 in 2 women use/own a sex toy? And it's growing.

That number might actually be up by now.

Thats so gross OMG. Thanks for delivering the shocking news.

TotallyScrewed
09-17-2010, 02:26 PM
I hear there's going to be a new Avatar movie with video shot from 7 miles beneath the waves...

~Crash~
09-17-2010, 02:27 PM
:deadhorse

:welcome:

bfoflcommish
09-17-2010, 02:27 PM
16-0 duh.

Shanny would have Hillis be the next Barry Sanders, bmarsh would have learned to catch (and hold onto) a ball by now, and Cutlers Int's would have been completely solved. Add to that Nate jackson, tatum Bell, mike bell, and kircus would all be fringe all pros as well.

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 02:29 PM
I hear there's going to be a new Avatar movie with video shot from 7 miles beneath the waves...

http://www.olceoktavia.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/vfwjsz.gif

Bronco Boy
09-17-2010, 02:29 PM
Women don't watch porn?

Did you know that 1 in 2 women use/own a sex toy? And it's growing.

That number might actually be up by now.

That's what SHE said.

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 02:31 PM
That's what SHE said.

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Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 02:32 PM
It's like 7th grade all over again.

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 02:35 PM
It's like 7th grade all over again.

http://www.gifsoup.com/view/45478/lloyd-o.gif

Taco John
09-17-2010, 02:36 PM
Josh had just played with Shanny's guys?


What does that matter? What would Shanahan's record be?

Personally, I think we'd have been in the playoffs last year, and been a contender for a title this year with Shanahan's team.

That doesn't matter though. What matters is that Josh has his guys now, and he's got his own record to compile.

Pony Boy
09-17-2010, 02:37 PM
Could we possibly beat this any longer......

baja
09-17-2010, 02:43 PM
Women don't watch porn?

<b>Did you know that 1 in 2 women use/own a sex toy?</b> And it's growing.

That number might actually be up by now.

Ya and it's called a husband.

mr007
09-17-2010, 02:43 PM
But I'm sorry, you might prefer girlfriend to boyfriend and other gay analogies.

Naw it's just half the posts I read from you are stupid.

Archer81
09-17-2010, 02:47 PM
11-5 Cutler and Marshall would of been awesome together by this point.


Keep in mind this is with Shanahan's guys. You cannot include additions made by Josh.

So that being said...8-8. As usual.


:Broncos:

Taco John
09-17-2010, 02:49 PM
Keep in mind this is with Shanahan's guys. You cannot include additions made by Josh.

So that being said...8-8. As usual.


:Broncos:

The Goodmans had been producing some quality guys for this team. It's true that the rebuild had focused primarily on the offense up to the point that Shanahan was fired, but last offseason, they would have been able to focus primarily on defensive talent. There's no reason to believe that they couldn't have provided this team with quality guys now that they could actually focus on the defense with the offense completely in place.

Archer81
09-17-2010, 02:50 PM
The Goodmans had been producing some quality guys for this team. It's true that the rebuild had focused primarily on the offense up to the point that Shanahan was fired, but last offseason, they would have been able to focus primarily on defensive talent. There's no reason to believe that they couldn't have provided this team with quality guys now that they could actually focus on the defense with the offense completely in place.


The 2007 draft disproves this.

:Broncos:

baja
09-17-2010, 02:50 PM
What does that matter? What would Shanahan's record be?

Personally, I think we'd have been in the playoffs last year, and been a contender for a title this year with Shanahan's team.

That doesn't matter though. What matters is that Josh has his guys now, and he's got his own record to compile.

Just going with the flow. This thread is meant to be food for thought for the outrageous posts coming from the Woody thread running at warp speed all day.

Shoemaker
09-17-2010, 02:51 PM
What does that matter? What would Shanahan's record be?

Personally, I think we'd have been in the playoffs last year, and been a contender for a title this year with Shanahan's team.

That doesn't matter though. What matters is that Josh has his guys now, and he's got his own record to compile.

Can I ask where this belief comes from? I'm not saying you're wrong for having it, and it surely could have happened, but I just didn't share the same faith in Shanahan after 2008.

What in Shanahan's track record made you believe he could have fixed a defense that was one of the worst in the league in 2008 and had it good enough to get us to the playoffs in one offseason? It just seemed like Shanahan had adopted the same strategy to trying to fix the defense every year: sign FA to fill the big holes and hope for the best in the draft.

I'm not trying to claim that McDaniels is a superior coach to Shanahan or anything like that. I'm just curious where your faith that Shanahan could have fixed that defense so quickly came from?

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 02:53 PM
The Goodmans had been producing some quality guys for this team. It's true that the rebuild had focused primarily on the offense up to the point that Shanahan was fired, but last offseason, they would have been able to focus primarily on defensive talent. There's no reason to believe that they couldn't have provided this team with quality guys now that they could actually focus on the defense with the offense completely in place.

I never saw any evidence that would lead me to believe that Shanahan would have ever come up with better quality defensive talent.

baja
09-17-2010, 02:55 PM
I never saw any evidence that would lead me to believe that Shanahan would have ever come up with better quality defensive talent.

Slowwit

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 02:57 PM
Ya and it's called a husband.

sorry bud, but sometimes that doesn't do the trick.

WABronco
09-17-2010, 02:57 PM
I never saw any evidence that would lead me to believe that Shanahan would have ever come up with better quality defensive talent.

Oh, I'm sure he would've had somebody! Right as we were teetering on the disaster of signing Cutler long-term and becoming even more annoyed with Marshall (ie 3-4 years later)

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
09-17-2010, 02:58 PM
im gonna give McDaniels a chance to either sink or swim i think this is a rebuilding year since mho we sorta got a lack of talent in some areas and itll take more than one draft to fix all the problems. seems what people want is fast food results they expect us to go all the way to the super bowl soon as a new coach or qb comes in its not gonna happen that fast these things take time. so be patient .now try not to blow yalls top over my 2 bits its just my opinion i didn't insult ya crack whore mother now, but she shure was good in bed lol

Archer81
09-17-2010, 03:00 PM
Oh, I'm sure he would've had somebody! Right as we were teetering on the disaster of signing Cutler long-term and becoming even more annoyed with Marshall.


Considering Shanny's history, Doom would have been let go. But we would still have Scheffler and Hillis. And we would have reached on FA signings...be like Josh Mallard 2.0, and would have depended on Moss and Crowder to generate pressure while we ask substandard DT's to hold the middle so our undersized MLB gets knocked 15 yards downfield.


:Broncos:

WABronco
09-17-2010, 03:02 PM
Considering Shanny's history, Doom would have been let go. But we would still have Scheffler and Hillis. And we would have reached on FA signings...be like Josh Mallard 2.0, and would have depended on Moss and Crowder to generate pressure while we ask substandard DT's to hold the middle so our undersized MLB gets knocked 15 yards downfield.


:Broncos:

Shanny: the master of signing ****ty defensive linemen en-masse with 4 weeks left in the season.

Naggle Nole
09-17-2010, 03:03 PM
What does that matter? What would Shanahan's record be?

Personally, I think we'd have been in the playoffs last year, and been a contender for a title this year with Shanahan's team.

That doesn't matter though. What matters is that Josh has his guys now, and he's got his own record to compile.

I actually agree that we would have probably made the playoffs, but it would have been as a wild card
We would have been manhandled by physical teams, so all the same losses (Pitt, Baltimore, SD) would have applied
Then we would have done the wild card one-and-done that has become so familiar around here the last decade

And a title contender? Really?
For one, I will never believe that Cutler has the cajones to actually lead a team until demonstrated otherwise
Great talent, enough to produce great regular season numbers, but far too few examples of putting a team on his back
He seems like the quintessential example of a star that doesn't elevate the play of those around him

How can you possibly believe that we would be contending for a title with the state of our defense?
Even if Shanahan and the Goodmans decided to draft ENTIRELY defense in 2009 (which given his penchant for redudantly choosing players at the same position, I have no doubt he would), do you remember who was coaching these guys?
Another season of Slowik, and positional coaches like "Good job Jarvis" Burney?
I have no doubt that we would have seen the team blow its load on a few high-priced FAs like Haynesworth, draft a bunch of guys based on "potential", and call it good

This team had no leadership and a few examples of very talented players
I agree that McDaniels has to prove that he can do better than simply duplicate the wins, but the bottom line is a change was necessary
The only question is whether we are seeing the right one, and time will tell

Taco John
09-17-2010, 03:56 PM
I never saw any evidence that would lead me to believe that Shanahan would have ever come up with better quality defensive talent.

You just made an empty exaggeration that is just as dumb as someone saying that McDaniels will never be able to field a winning team.

Elvis Dumervil is a single piece of evidence. Champ Bailey another. Al Wilson. Darrent Williams was looking to be a fixture. DJ Williams has been one for years.

The Goodmans were doing good things for this franchise before it was up-ended on itself. I don't agree with those who believe that Josh is a hopeless case. I think he's going to be a good HC someday, if not for us, then with someone else. But that said, I believed in the plan Shanahan had in place. I liked the idea of focusing on the offensive pieces first, and then going after defense. I understand that it created an imbalance, but I saw that as a short term problem that would have been addressed quickly last offseason, as we had more cap money and high draft picks than at any time in the salary cap era.

I can understand not believing in the plan. But to say there wasn't a single piece of evidence that this can be done when we just signed a fine example of a piece of evidence to a long term deal, and have Champ and DJ Williams looking to be fixtures for some time to come is a counter example of thick-headedness.

Bottom line, whether anyone believes Shanahan would have managed to do it or not is irrelevant. The question right now is whether Josh will manage to do it. Winning games is where its at right now.

Taco John
09-17-2010, 03:58 PM
How can you possibly believe that we would be contending for a title with the state of our defense?

We had more draft picks and salary cap room in the offseason last year than we have ever had in the history of modern football - and to boot, our offense was completely set. It's pretty easy to fathom that we'd be in the second year now of a complete and focused defensive rebuild.

Lev Vyvanse
09-17-2010, 04:02 PM
We had more draft picks and salary cap room in the offseason last year than we have ever had in the history of modern football - and to boot, our offense was completely set. It's pretty easy to fathom that we'd be in the second year now of a complete and focused defensive rebuild.


We would either have the picks or the set offense, not both.

WolfpackGuy
09-17-2010, 04:04 PM
With the offensive players Shanahan left behind, no worse than 11-5.

All that core was missing was a healthy running back and an AVERAGE defense.

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 04:11 PM
All that core was missing was a healthy running back and an AVERAGE defense.

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Ray Finkle
09-17-2010, 04:17 PM
You just made an empty exaggeration that is just as dumb as someone saying that McDaniels will never be able to field a winning team.

Elvis Dumervil is a single piece of evidence. Champ Bailey another. Al Wilson. Darrent Williams was looking to be a fixture. DJ Williams has been one for years.

The Goodmans were doing good things for this franchise before it was up-ended on itself. I don't agree with those who believe that Josh is a hopeless case. I think he's going to be a good HC someday, if not for us, then with someone else. But that said, I believed in the plan Shanahan had in place. I liked the idea of focusing on the offensive pieces first, and then going after defense. I understand that it created an imbalance, but I saw that as a short term problem that would have been addressed quickly last offseason, as we had more cap money and high draft picks than at any time in the salary cap era.

I can understand not believing in the plan. But to say there wasn't a single piece of evidence that this can be done when we just signed a fine example of a piece of evidence to a long term deal, and have Champ and DJ Williams looking to be fixtures for some time to come is a counter example of thick-headedness.

Bottom line, whether anyone believes Shanahan would have managed to do it or not is irrelevant. The question right now is whether Josh will manage to do it. Winning games is where its at right now.

The Goodman's hit on a few players that slid because of their intangibles (Doom's height, Marshall's attitude, Harris's back problem) however if they were so sought, why don't they still have a job? The senior Goodman, I believe is worthy....his son was a little bitch that forced his dad to quit when he didn't get the GM spot.

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 04:20 PM
You just made an empty exaggeration that is just as dumb as someone saying that McDaniels will never be able to field a winning team.

Elvis Dumervil is a single piece of evidence. Champ Bailey another. Al Wilson. Darrent Williams was looking to be a fixture. DJ Williams has been one for years.

The Goodmans were doing good things for this franchise before it was up-ended on itself. I don't agree with those who believe that Josh is a hopeless case. I think he's going to be a good HC someday, if not for us, then with someone else. But that said, I believed in the plan Shanahan had in place. I liked the idea of focusing on the offensive pieces first, and then going after defense. I understand that it created an imbalance, but I saw that as a short term problem that would have been addressed quickly last offseason, as we had more cap money and high draft picks than at any time in the salary cap era.

I can understand not believing in the plan. But to say there wasn't a single piece of evidence that this can be done when we just signed a fine example of a piece of evidence to a long term deal, and have Champ and DJ Williams looking to be fixtures for some time to come is a counter example of thick-headedness.

Bottom line, whether anyone believes Shanahan would have managed to do it or not is irrelevant. The question right now is whether Josh will manage to do it. Winning games is where its at right now.

All I can say is that Shanahan had his defense in place at the second half of 2008, and they collapsed. Where was the fire? Where was the cohesion? Where was the plan? Yes, he picked a couple of good players, but were they playing for him? Hell, Nolan made Doom much more of a player than Shanahan ever did. Did you see any evidence in that defense of 2008 that leads you to believe that it was the basis of great things to come? Well, nobody else did either. Especially Bowlen. They saw it as the same thing Mike had been putting on the field for ten years. Might have, could have, would have. Well, for ten years, didn't. That's evidence. And not only didn't, but best bet says, wouldn't. Ever.

PS - And Wilson was long gone. Sadly, so was DW.

baja
09-17-2010, 04:26 PM
You just made an empty exaggeration that is just as dumb as someone saying that McDaniels will never be able to field a winning team.

Elvis Dumervil is a single piece of evidence. Champ Bailey another. Al Wilson. Darrent Williams was looking to be a fixture. DJ Williams has been one for years.

The Goodmans were doing good things for this franchise before it was up-ended on itself. I don't agree with those who believe that Josh is a hopeless case. I think he's going to be a good HC someday, if not for us, then with someone else. But that said, I believed in the plan Shanahan had in place. I liked the idea of focusing on the offensive pieces first, and then going after defense. I understand that it created an imbalance, but I saw that as a short term problem that would have been addressed quickly last offseason, as we had more cap money and high draft picks than at any time in the salary cap era.

I can understand not believing in the plan. But to say there wasn't a single piece of evidence that this can be done when we just signed a fine example of a piece of evidence to a long term deal, and have Champ and DJ Williams looking to be fixtures for some time to come is a counter example of thick-headedness.

Bottom line, whether anyone believes Shanahan would have managed to do it or not is irrelevant. The question right now is whether Josh will manage to do it. Winning games is where its at right now.


You make your case well TJ. Just as strong a case can and has been made the other way (Slowick, record, draft & FA busts etc) that is why this argument will not go away anyway soon. The scale tipper for me is I think Pat Bowlen is a very savvy owner and I know how loyal he is so I trust he make the right decisions both in letting Mike go and in hiring Josh.

Time will tell if Josh was a good hire but we will never know what Shanny would have done had he been given another season or two.

Kaylore
09-17-2010, 04:30 PM
It's quite obvious. We would have won the Super Bowl. Yes, our defense and special teams were awful. Yes, we would have kept Slowik. However we all know that in 2009 Shanahan would have fixed the defense in one offseason by drafting all the right players and they would have played like veterans. Slowik would just be better that year. He was due, you know? Shanahan had the whole draft and a ton of free agents to work with. Cutler would have stopped throwing redzone ints, they would have lit up the league and we finally would have fixed special teams! We just would have! Boom. Super Bowl.

It would have been awesome but we let it all go. So close. :pity:

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 05:20 PM
It's quite obvious. We would have won the Super Bowl. Yes, our defense and special teams were awful. Yes, we would have kept Slowik. However we all know that in 2009 Shanahan would have fixed the defense in one offseason by drafting all the right players and they would have played like veterans. Slowik would just be better that year. He was due, you know? Shanahan had the whole draft and a ton of free agents to work with. Cutler would have stopped throwing redzone ints, they would have lit up the league and we finally would have fixed special teams! We just would have! Boom. Super Bowl.

It would have been awesome but we let it all go. So close. :pity:

lol

montrose
09-17-2010, 05:24 PM
It's quite obvious. We would have won the Super Bowl. Yes, our defense and special teams were awful. Yes, we would have kept Slowik. However we all know that in 2009 Shanahan would have fixed the defense in one offseason by drafting all the right players and they would have played like veterans. Slowik would just be better that year. He was due, you know? Shanahan had the whole draft and a ton of free agents to work with. Cutler would have stopped throwing redzone ints, they would have lit up the league and we finally would have fixed special teams! We just would have! Boom. Super Bowl.

It would have been awesome but we let it all go. So close. :pity:

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