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txtebow
09-17-2010, 10:37 AM
http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_16097992

The inference that Josh McDaniels will be introduced to his potential Waterloo in the opening home game seems premature and impulsive.

But . . . the Broncos coach will be confronting Waterloo not the ABBA song, but the sort of vanquishing Napoleon took on Sunday against the Seahawks.

A defeat would be the Broncos' 10th in 12 games dating to Nov. 1, 2009. Ahead, the Broncos have four games in which they will be underdogs. Only once in the franchise's half century have the Broncos suffered 14 losses in 16 games (under Lou Saban in 1967-68).

And every time he loses, McDaniels will suffer the wrath of Broncos "fans."

Woody: I read the comments attached to each article in The Post (online). What I can't understand is why there is so much venom being extended McD's way (even leading to a website that calls for his dismissal).

Peter Baba, Edmonton, Alberta

Two victories in 11 games would be the major reason given by McDaniels' detractors.

The trading away of the team's two highest-profile offensive players (Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall,) and the cutting and dealing of three other popular players (Brandon Stokley, Tony Scheffler and Peyton Hillis), would be another big reason


Rest in the link.......

Chris
09-17-2010, 10:47 AM
Jesus get over it already.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 10:48 AM
McDaniels supporters have very little to show for their claims. They have HOPE.
Josh did not inhertit a 2-14 or 5-11 team
-He inherited a 24-24 team in the previous 3 seasons and he has gone 2 & 9 in his last 11 games. Even Raheem Morris has his team playing better football than ours--as evidenced by a week 1 come from behind win with a VERY young team (we are one of the oldest teams in the league in contrast) including a late season win in New Orleans last year. Josh didn't inherit a lemon, he inherited slightly bitter lemonade and has somehow made it into a lemon.
-He has broken up a potent offensive core that went from 20 PPG in 2007 and raised up to 23 PPG in 2008. Without Marshall, expect more 17 PPG outings and abysmal 3rd down conversion percentages.

Josh is essentially performing OJT while running EVERYONE on this MSG board's favorite football franchise directly into the ground. It's okay to be a fan, it's another thing to be delusional about the obvious direction of this franchise. When even wins and losses no longer matter to you, your opinion simply isn't a valid one. Those who continue to support Pat Bowlen by filling his stadium 10 Sunday's a season need to realize that you are complicit in the demise of our favorite franchise. Pat made a mistake by hiring Josh and he needs to expedite the correction of that mistake. The only way to make this message loud and clear to Pat is to affect him in his pocketbook.

Archer81
09-17-2010, 10:48 AM
Oh good God...

So the team keeps an injured Stokely just for the hell of it because fans like him...Bizzaro world.

:Broncos:

txtebow
09-17-2010, 10:50 AM
Hilis looked very good this preseason and last week,despite a fumble, was very effective.

bfoflcommish
09-17-2010, 10:51 AM
well at least we know we're losing this weekend right?

PRBronco
09-17-2010, 10:52 AM
McDaniels supporters have very little to show for their claims. They have HOPE.
Josh did not inhertit a 2-14 or 5-11 team
-He inherited a 24-24 team in the previous 3 seasons and he has gone 2 & 9 in his last 11 games. Even Raheem Morris has his team playing better football than ours--as evidenced by a week 1 come from behind win with a VERY young team (we are one of the oldest teams in the league in contrast) including a late season win in New Orleans last year. Josh didn't inherit a lemon, he inherited slightly bitter lemonade and has somehow made it into a lemon.
-He has broken up a potent offensive core that went from 20 PPG in 2007 and raised up to 23 PPG in 2008. Without Marshall, expect more 17 PPG outings and abysmal 3rd down conversion percentages.

Josh is essentially performing OJT while running EVERYONE on this MSG board's favorite football franchise directly into the ground. It's okay to be a fan, it's another thing to be delusional about the obvious direction of this franchise. When even wins and losses no longer matter to you, your opinion simply isn't a valid one. Those who continue to support Pat Bowlen by filling his stadium 10 Sunday's a season need to realize that you are complicit in the demise of our favorite franchise. Pat made a mistake by hiring Josh and he needs to expedite the correction of that mistake. The only way to make this message loud and clear to Pat is to affect him in his pocketbook.

http://www.gtfo.ro/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/gtfo2.jpg

Drek
09-17-2010, 10:52 AM
Woody: I read the comments attached to each article in The Post (online). What I can't understand is why there is so much venom being extended McD's way (even leading to a website that calls for his dismissal).

Peter Baba, Edmonton, Alberta


Pete in Edmonton, I think I can answer this question for you better than Woody Paige.

See, Denver has suffered for years with a combination of the two biggest detriments a football fan base can have.

The first, a consistently competitive and successful team. This has taken perspective away from the fan base so that every loss is a disaster and every win short of a prolonged (4 games or more) win streak, a big playoff victory, or a title is ho hum.

The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid. As a result your average Broncos fan really believes that Jay Cutler is a good QB and other such absurdities.

Spoiled, ignorant fans then use the internet to soap box their idiotic opinions. Hence why you see so much venom on the internet about McDaniels.

Woody's response might have a shred of credibility if it wasn't just as bad before McDaniels coached his first game, or immediately after he lost his first game. The only thing that lead to some reduction in hostility was McDaniels winning his first six games in a row.

bfoflcommish
09-17-2010, 10:52 AM
Hilis looked very good this preseason and last week,despite a fumble, was very effective.

he had 2 fumbles, and didnt look good other than 1 td.

Archer81
09-17-2010, 10:53 AM
McDaniels supporters have very little to show for their claims. They have HOPE.
Josh did not inhertit a 2-14 or 5-11 team
-He inherited a 24-24 team in the previous 3 seasons and he has gone 2 & 9 in his last 11 games. Even Raheem Morris has his team playing better football than ours--as evidenced by a week 1 come from behind win with a VERY young team (we are one of the oldest teams in the league in contrast) including a late season win in New Orleans last year. Josh didn't inherit a lemon, he inherited slightly bitter lemonade and has somehow made it into a lemon.
-He has broken up a potent offensive core that went from 20 PPG in 2007 and raised up to 23 PPG in 2008. Without Marshall, expect more 17 PPG outings and abysmal 3rd down conversion percentages.

Josh is essentially performing OJT while running EVERYONE on this MSG board's favorite football franchise directly into the ground. It's okay to be a fan, it's another thing to be delusional about the obvious direction of this franchise. When even wins and losses no longer matter to you, your opinion simply isn't a valid one. Those who continue to support Pat Bowlen by filling his stadium 10 Sunday's a season need to realize that you are complicit in the demise of our favorite franchise. Pat made a mistake by hiring Josh and he needs to expedite the correction of that mistake. The only way to make this message loud and clear to Pat is to affect him in his pocketbook.

Average age of the Broncos roster is 26. Thats the league average. In 17 games, McDaniels is 8-9. With Marshall we had 17-20 ppg outings. The "potent" offensive core was 16th in the NFL in 2008. Thats average. Josh inherited an aging 8-8 roster with scrubs at key positions. If you want to know what the new coaching staff thought of the team, look at the 30+ players they let go (a large number are currently not on any other NFL roster, including Washington's).

The overreaction by "fans" such as yourself merely proves McDaniels is on to something. But by all means keep crying. It sure seems to be working.

:Broncos:

Rabb
09-17-2010, 10:53 AM
he had 2 fumbles, and didnt look good other than 1 td.

and one of those fumbles basically cost them the game

so yeah, business as usual...he has talent there is no question about it, but he is showing the little mistakes that led to his demise here

Mogulseeker
09-17-2010, 10:54 AM
txtebow is a gem, isn't he?

Our offense is actually very young. I think we're set at LB and DB (Bailey take take FS after Dawkins retires) just stock up on DL and CB next year.

We've play one game with this roster, folks. Take a midol.

Br0nc0Buster
09-17-2010, 10:54 AM
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Mogulseeker
09-17-2010, 10:54 AM
Hillis sucks. Flat out.

PRBronco
09-17-2010, 10:55 AM
Pete in Edmonton, I think I can answer this question for you better than Woody Paige.

See, Denver has suffered for years with a combination of the two biggest detriments a football fan base can have.

The first, a consistently competitive and successful team. This has taken perspective away from the fan base so that every loss is a disaster and every win short of a prolonged (4 games or more) win streak, a big playoff victory, or a title is ho hum.

The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid. As a result your average Broncos fan really believes that Jay Cutler is a good QB and other such absurdities.

Spoiled, ignorant fans then use the internet to soap box their idiotic opinions. Hence why you see so much venom on the internet about McDaniels.

Woody's response might have a shred of credibility if it wasn't just as bad before McDaniels coached his first game, or immediately after he lost his first game. The only thing that lead to some reduction in hostility was McDaniels winning his first six games in a row.

Seriously, it's like you have the ****ing Orangemane answer key.

Garcia Bronco
09-17-2010, 10:55 AM
Pete in Edmonton, I think I can answer this question for you better than Woody Paige.

See, Denver has suffered for years with a combination of the two biggest detriments a football fan base can have.

The first, a consistently competitive and successful team. This has taken perspective away from the fan base so that every loss is a disaster and every win short of a prolonged (4 games or more) win streak, a big playoff victory, or a title is ho hum.

The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid. As a result your average Broncos fan really believes that Jay Cutler is a good QB and other such absurdities.

Spoiled, ignorant fans then use the internet to soap box their idiotic opinions. Hence why you see so much venom on the internet about McDaniels.

Woody's response might have a shred of credibility if it wasn't just as bad before McDaniels coached his first game, or immediately after he lost his first game. The only thing that lead to some reduction in hostility was McDaniels winning his first six games in a row.


This

baja
09-17-2010, 10:59 AM
McDaniels supporters have very little to show for their claims. They have HOPE.
Josh did not inhertit a 2-14 or 5-11 team
-He inherited a 24-24 team in the previous 3 seasons and he has gone 2 & 9 in his last 11 games. Even Raheem Morris has his team playing better football than ours--as evidenced by a week 1 come from behind win with a VERY young team (we are one of the oldest teams in the league in contrast) including a late season win in New Orleans last year. Josh didn't inherit a lemon, he inherited slightly bitter lemonade and has somehow made it into a lemon.
-He has broken up a potent offensive core that went from 20 PPG in 2007 and raised up to 23 PPG in 2008. Without Marshall, expect more 17 PPG outings and abysmal 3rd down conversion percentages.

Josh is essentially performing OJT while running EVERYONE on this MSG board's favorite football franchise directly into the ground. It's okay to be a fan, it's another thing to be delusional about the obvious direction of this franchise. When even wins and losses no longer matter to you, your opinion simply isn't a valid one. Those who continue to support Pat Bowlen by filling his stadium 10 Sunday's a season need to realize that you are complicit in the demise of our favorite franchise. Pat made a mistake by hiring Josh and he needs to expedite the correction of that mistake. The only way to make this message loud and clear to Pat is to affect him in his pocketbook.

I beginning to suspect you don't like our new coach...

Popps
09-17-2010, 11:03 AM
Pete in Edmonton, I think I can answer this question for you better than Woody Paige.

See, Denver has suffered for years with a combination of the two biggest detriments a football fan base can have.

The first, a consistently competitive and successful team. This has taken perspective away from the fan base so that every loss is a disaster and every win short of a prolonged (4 games or more) win streak, a big playoff victory, or a title is ho hum.

The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid. As a result your average Broncos fan really believes that Jay Cutler is a good QB and other such absurdities.

Spoiled, ignorant fans then use the internet to soap box their idiotic opinions. Hence why you see so much venom on the internet about McDaniels.

Woody's response might have a shred of credibility if it wasn't just as bad before McDaniels coached his first game, or immediately after he lost his first game. The only thing that lead to some reduction in hostility was McDaniels winning his first six games in a row.



Lock the thread.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:05 AM
he had 2 fumbles, and didnt look good other than 1 td.

9/41 yds
4.55 ypc. I'd take that. (1 fumble lost)

Knowshon had 15/60 yards= 4 YPC

baja
09-17-2010, 11:08 AM
Average age of the Broncos roster is 26. Thats the league average. In 17 games, McDaniels is 8-9. With Marshall we had 17-20 ppg outings. The "potent" offensive core was 16th in the NFL in 2008. Thats average. Josh inherited an aging 8-8 roster with scrubs at key positions. If you want to know what the new coaching staff thought of the team, look at the 30+ players they let go <b>(a large number are currently not on any other NFL roster, including Washington's). </b>

The overreaction by "fans" such as yourself merely proves McDaniels is on to something. But by all means keep crying. It sure seems to be working.

:Broncos:

It's 32 and none are playing in the NFL. That's almost half of Shanny's 2008 team out of football. I find that amazing.

Archer81
09-17-2010, 11:10 AM
9/41 yds
4.55 ypc. I'd take that. (1 fumble lost)

Knowshon had 15/60 yards= 4 YPC


You and reality do not get many face to face meetings, huh?


:Broncos:

NFLBRONCO
09-17-2010, 11:10 AM
McD or whoever coaches here has a huge problem right now. League wide its hard for most teams to upgrade DL. Denvers weakest position is DL and imo we won't take another step forward until we add some young studs to the mix.

Lev Vyvanse
09-17-2010, 11:11 AM
9/41 yds
4.55 ypc. I'd take that. (1 fumble lost)

Knowshon had 15/60 yards= 4 YPC

You would take one fumble every nine touches?

bfoflcommish
09-17-2010, 11:13 AM
9/41 yds
4.55 ypc. I'd take that. (1 fumble lost)

Knowshon had 15/60 yards= 4 YPC

so what you're saying is you didnt watch him then.

2 fumbles in 9 carries...i dont care if lost or not...its still 2 fumbles.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:13 AM
Pete in Edmonton, I think I can answer this question for you better than Woody Paige.

See, Denver has suffered for years with a combination of the two biggest detriments a football fan base can have.

The first, a consistently competitive and successful team. This has taken perspective away from the fan base so that every loss is a disaster and every win short of a prolonged (4 games or more) win streak, a big playoff victory, or a title is ho hum.

The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid. As a result your average Broncos fan really believes that Jay Cutler is a good QB and other such absurdities.

Spoiled, ignorant fans then use the internet to soap box their idiotic opinions. Hence why you see so much venom on the internet about McDaniels.
Woody's response might have a shred of credibility if it wasn't just as bad before McDaniels coached his first game, or immediately after he lost his first game. The only thing that lead to some reduction in hostility was McDaniels winning his first six games in a row.

I can agree that we all have been spoiled. We were the class of the AFC West for the past 30 years. Josh's performance has done nothing to return us to that level.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:14 AM
Average age of the Broncos roster is 26. Thats the league average. In 17 games, McDaniels is 8-9. With Marshall we had 17-20 ppg outings. The "potent" offensive core was 16th in the NFL in 2008. Thats average. Josh inherited an aging 8-8 roster with scrubs at key positions. If you want to know what the new coaching staff thought of the team, look at the 30+ players they let go (a large number are currently not on any other NFL roster, including Washington's).

The overreaction by "fans" such as yourself merely proves McDaniels is on to something. But by all means keep crying. It sure seems to be working.

:Broncos:

26 is not the average age of our starting roster.......

baja
09-17-2010, 11:16 AM
txtebow is a gem, isn't he?</b>

Our offense is actually very young. I think we're set at LB and DB (Bailey take take FS after Dawkins retires) just stock up on DL and CB next year.

We've play one game with this roster, folks. Take a midol.

Probably first of many. God help us if Orton has a bad game. This place will fill up with new posters sporting a handle that is some version of Tebow screaming for Josh's head because he won't start their hero.

Beantown Bronco
09-17-2010, 11:16 AM
I can agree that we all have been spoiled. We were the class of the AFC West for the past 30 years. Josh's performance has done nothing to return us to that level.

Because he didn't win the division his first year? Unreal.

bfoflcommish
09-17-2010, 11:16 AM
26 is not the average age of our starting roster.......

out of all the FACTS in the post this is all you could come up with to debate, because the rest is true

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:20 AM
out of all the FACTS in the post this is all you could come up with to debate, because the rest is true

We were top 5 in yardage and 3rd down conversion % in 2008 as well; our offense was a RB away.

Now our 2008 Defense was another 2-3 seasons away.

Unfortunately, we are 2-3 seasons away in all 3 phases now.

bfoflcommish
09-17-2010, 11:21 AM
We were top 5 in yardage and 3rd down conversion % in 2008 as well; our offense was a RB away.

Now our 2008 Defense was another 2-3 seasons away.

Unfortunately, we are 2-3 seasons away in all 3 phases now.

and out of all those yards where were the points? you dont win by yards gained its points scored. ask the niners vs hawks last week

bowtown
09-17-2010, 11:21 AM
9/41 yds
4.55 ypc. I'd take that. (1 fumble lost)

Knowshon had 15/60 yards= 4 YPC

And the fumble he lost was in the redzone, and cost them the points they would have needed to win the game.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:22 AM
Because he didn't win the division his first year? Unreal.

No, becuase he was brought to Denver to IMPROVE our team's record. He failed to do that and then set us on the path that we are currently on ( 2& 9).
As I stated previously, when wins & losses no longer matter to your position, your position is not a valid one. We ALL want Denver to win.

baja
09-17-2010, 11:22 AM
I can agree that we all have been spoiled. We were the class of the AFC West for the past 30 years. Josh's performance has done nothing to return us to that level.

No Hate to say it but the Raiders.... well never mind.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:23 AM
and out of all those yards where were the points? you dont win by yards gained its points scored. ask the niners vs hawks last week

Now we are bottom-middle of the pack in EVERY Offensive category. We have regressed.

baja
09-17-2010, 11:24 AM
out of all the FACTS in the post this is all you could come up with to debate, because the rest is true

It actually is 26.something

Archer81
09-17-2010, 11:26 AM
26 is not the average age of our starting roster.......


Oh, I see.

Lose the argument, change the conditions. Average age of the Broncos roster is 26.

Average age of our offensive starters:
25.4

Average age of our defensive starters:
30.1

Average age of Specialist starters
25.5

Average age of starters
27

Try again slappy.


:Broncos:

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:26 AM
No Hate to say it but the Raiders.... well never mind.

HAHA!

We took their crown as soon as we got Mr Elway.

bfoflcommish
09-17-2010, 11:28 AM
Now we are bottom-middle of the pack in EVERY Offensive category. We have regressed.

same spot we were in 2008. whats your point? oh wait but we had more yards, cuzz it matters in the end.

ask ubaldo how well he likes his low era this second half of season but dont take account rockies scoring........right?

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 11:28 AM
Now we are bottom-middle of the pack in EVERY Offensive category. We have regressed.

It's still early, no?

crush17
09-17-2010, 11:30 AM
welcome to ignore, txtebow.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:30 AM
It's still early, no?

2009 stats. We did not exactly tear it up in week 1.

PRBronco
09-17-2010, 11:31 AM
welcome to ignore, txtebow.

So many new additions with the new season! I bet there's a whole new crop after our next loss too.

baja
09-17-2010, 11:31 AM
HAHA!

We took their crown as soon as we got Mr Elway.

My guess is your first awareness of the Denver Broncos came the day we drafted Tim Tebow.

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 11:34 AM
2009 stats. We did not exactly tear it up in week 1.

The Broncos offense outperformed the Jags offense but due to mistakes, the Broncos lost. I understand that is frustrating but the offense moved the ball well. Let's take it one game at a time...

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:34 AM
Oh, I see.

Lose the argument, change the conditions. Average age of the Broncos roster is 26.

Average age of our offensive starters:
25.4

Average age of our defensive starters:
30.1

Average age of Specialist starters
25.5

Average age of starters
27

Try again slappy.


:Broncos:

well, you certainly are fanatical if not factual....

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_16008344

Broncos among NFL's oldest teams
Ideal roster has average age of 27
By Jeff Legwold
The Denver Post
Posted: 09/09/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

If last year's playoff field is any indication, that number is 27.81. Nine of the 12 playoff teams a year ago sported an average age of 27.81 or younger on their opening-week rosters, a group that included both Super Bowl participants Indianapolis (27.18) and New Orleans (27.22).

The Colts had six starters who were older than 30 on their opening-week roster, while the Saints had five. They were right in the middle of the pack of all NFL teams in average age, 14th and 15th respectively.

The Broncos figure to be one of the league's oldest teams again this season, with as many as nine starters on defense who are at least 30. A year ago, the Broncos' average age was 28.22, the sixth oldest in the league. The Broncos also have a league-high 11 starters 30 or older and were the oldest team in the AFC West. (Perhaps coincidentally, the Broncos also had one of the biggest collapses in NFL history, starting 6-0 and then losing eight of their final 10 games.)

Houston was the league's youngest team a year ago, with an average age of 26.04 and featuring only three players older than 30 on its opening-day roster. Philadelphia was the youngest playoff team (26.5).

The oldest playoff team in 2009 was New England, for which Broncos coach Josh McDaniels worked eight seasons before coming to Denver. The Patriots had an average age of 28.95, 31st in the league. New England was steamrolled 33-14 by Baltimore in the wild-card round last season



Read more: Broncos among NFL's oldest teams - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/ci_16008344#ixzz0zoFO2lr3

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:36 AM
The Broncos offense outperformed the Jags offense but due to mistakes, the Broncos lost. I understand that is frustrating but the offense moved the ball well. Let's take it one game at a time...

With a less than dominant defense and a non potent offense, we will be 1-5 after 6 weeks.

9/12/10 @JAC L 17-24
9/19/10 SEA W (I hope)
9/26/10 IND L
10/3/10 @TEN L
10/10/10 @BAL L
10/17/10 NYJ L

When this occurs, will many of you still have HOPE?

cutthemdown
09-17-2010, 11:36 AM
9/41 yds
4.55 ypc. I'd take that. (1 fumble lost)

Knowshon had 15/60 yards= 4 YPC

Actually dropping ball twice in only 10 carries a huge red flag.

Also I bet with in next 5 weeks he goes on the shelf. His running style will lead to injuries IMO. He takes too much contact and his 250 pounds will end up being too slow to avoid contact.

You have to understand a coach has to have control over his team. Players like Hillis and Scheff may not have been falling into line and Mcdaniels had no choice but to get rid of them.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:37 AM
My guess is your first awareness of the Denver Broncos came the day we drafted Tim Tebow.

the personal shots really are unbecoming of an adult.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:39 AM
Actually dropping ball twice in only 10 carries a huge red flag.

Also I bet with in next 5 weeks he goes on the shelf. His running style will lead to injuries IMO. He takes too much contact and his 250 pounds will end up being too slow to avoid contact.

You have to understand a coach has to have control over his team. Players like Hillis and Scheff may not have been falling into line and Mcdaniels had no choice but to get rid of them.

The fact is that Hillis provides great value & production for where he was drafted. He is excellent depth and better suited to that role than Buckhalter or Maroney.

cutthemdown
09-17-2010, 11:40 AM
With a less than dominant defense and a non potent offense, we will be 1-5 after 6 weeks.

9/12/10 @JAC L 17-24
9/19/10 SEA W (I hope)
9/26/10 IND L
10/3/10 @TEN L
10/10/10 @BAL L
10/17/10 NYJ L

When this occurs, will many of you still have HOPE?

Well the probably won't. Really though it's not Mcdaniels fault. I like his play designs and his play calling. I just think Broncos lack playmakers at this point.

It is his ball game since he got rid of Cutler/Marshall/Sheff but often switching coaches has some pains like this. I still think Cutler is a Jeff George and it will work out for the Broncos.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:43 AM
Well the probably won't. Really though it's not Mcdaniels fault. I like his play designs and his play calling. I just think Broncos lack playmakers at this point.

It is his ball game since he got rid of Cutler/Marshall/Sheff but often switching coaches has some pains like this. I still think Cutler is a Jeff George and it will work out for the Broncos.

I can agree that this is HIS team. Unfortunately the results are not what any of us are looking for. I am just unsure how others who watch the same games as I do can come away with a different conclusion about Josh especially considering our downward trend. As the article noted, we are entering expansion level territory regarding our wins versus losses in a cross section of games.

mkporter
09-17-2010, 11:43 AM
With a less than dominant defense and a non potent offense, we will be 1-5 after 6 weeks.

9/12/10 @JAC L 17-24
9/19/10 SEA W (I hope)
9/26/10 IND L
10/3/10 @TEN L
10/10/10 @BAL L
10/17/10 NYJ L

When this occurs, will many of you still have HOPE?

I will. But that's probably because I'm a Denver Broncos fan.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:45 AM
I will. But that's probably because I'm a Denver Broncos fan.

then don't you want what is best for this team? Or do you refuse to properly evaluate our favorite team's direction?

cutthemdown
09-17-2010, 11:46 AM
The fact is that Hillis provides great value & production for where he was drafted. He is excellent depth and better suited to that role than Buckhalter or Maroney.

Well opinions presented as facts are always fun. Hillis has been said to be dumb as a board. Mcdaniels wants smart players. Browns hell they don't care. Since when have they?

Hillis just a journeyman. He will probably play for a few more teams before he is done.

Like I said a coach has to have control. It's a safe assumption that players like Hillis and Scheff weren't falling into line. Hell we know Scheff and Cutler were not.

I haven't been in charge of any sports teams I admit. I have though been in charge of a lot of bands. I kicked out a really good guitar player once and the guys in the group thought I was nuts. But I got a player in who would do what I say, play what I say to play, how I say to play it and 6 months later we are opening for Poncho Sanchez, Phantom Blues Band etc, and getting 1500 dollar privates at parties and weddings etc etc.

Why because I always preach listening to the other players, knowing your parts, having your gear in top notch shape, not being drunk, and most of all.....playing as a group, not some dude trying to stand out and be noticed every song.

I think maybe Mcdaniels just had to 86 the guys who snickered and felt he wasn't the right coach for the job. I don't blame him one bit. It has to be his way or out the door or it can't work.

Kaylore
09-17-2010, 11:47 AM
welcome to ignore, txtebow.

This.

As for the article, Woody is right. Most of the reasons that people don't like McDaniels have nothing to do with him as a head coach. They basically are: He's not Shanahan, he's a Patriot, he traded Cutler, he traded Hillis, he's too young, and "I just don't like him."

And the hatred for him among his critics is off the charts. It's borderline obsessive and deeply personal.

PRBronco
09-17-2010, 11:49 AM
I will. But that's probably because I'm a Denver Broncos fan.

Kind of a weird place for a Broncos fan to be hanging out these days imo.

Archer81
09-17-2010, 11:51 AM
well, you certainly are fanatical if not factual....

http://www.denverpost.com/ci_16008344

Broncos among NFL's oldest teams
Ideal roster has average age of 27
By Jeff Legwold
The Denver Post
Posted: 09/09/2010 01:00:00 AM MDT

If last year's playoff field is any indication, that number is 27.81. Nine of the 12 playoff teams a year ago sported an average age of 27.81 or younger on their opening-week rosters, a group that included both Super Bowl participants Indianapolis (27.18) and New Orleans (27.22).

The Colts had six starters who were older than 30 on their opening-week roster, while the Saints had five. They were right in the middle of the pack of all NFL teams in average age, 14th and 15th respectively.

The Broncos figure to be one of the league's oldest teams again this season, with as many as nine starters on defense who are at least 30. A year ago, the Broncos' average age was 28.22, the sixth oldest in the league. The Broncos also have a league-high 11 starters 30 or older and were the oldest team in the AFC West. (Perhaps coincidentally, the Broncos also had one of the biggest collapses in NFL history, starting 6-0 and then losing eight of their final 10 games.)

Houston was the league's youngest team a year ago, with an average age of 26.04 and featuring only three players older than 30 on its opening-day roster. Philadelphia was the youngest playoff team (26.5).

The oldest playoff team in 2009 was New England, for which Broncos coach Josh McDaniels worked eight seasons before coming to Denver. The Patriots had an average age of 28.95, 31st in the league. New England was steamrolled 33-14 by Baltimore in the wild-card round last season



Read more: Broncos among NFL's oldest teams - The Denver Post http://www.denverpost.com/ci_16008344#ixzz0zoFO2lr3


ZOMG...you pulled an article from the Denver Post...how will I ever compete...

Orton: 27
Moreno: 23
Larsen: 26
Gaffney: 29
Lloyd: 29
Royal: 24
Clady: 24
Daniels: 25
Walton: 23
Kuper: 27
Beadles: 23

Total: 280/11=25.4

McBean: 26
Williams: 34
Bannan: 31
Ayres: 25
Haggan: 30
Williams: 28
Hunter: 27
Bailey: 32
Goodman: 32
Dawkins: 36
Hill: 31

Total: 332/11=30.1

Prater: 26
Colquitt: 25

Total: 51/2=25.5

25.5 + 30.1 + 25.4 = 81/3 = 27.

:Broncos:

Taco John
09-17-2010, 11:51 AM
winning cures all...

cutthemdown
09-17-2010, 11:53 AM
I can agree that this is HIS team. Unfortunately the results are not what any of us are looking for. I am just unsure how others who watch the same games as I do can come away with a different conclusion about Josh especially considering our downward trend. As the article noted, we are entering expansion level territory regarding our wins versus losses in a cross section of games.

Well anytime you switch systems there will be a big learning curve. Maybe you just expected too much? Also you probably prematurely thought Cutler was the QB for us? Maybe you still do and that is fueling why you have lost faith so quickly?

Broncos trying to get bigger, go to a 3/4, change oline blocking style. Had a ton of young players, and a bunch of injuries. Also a 2 yr period of shedding star players from previous coaching staf. Also a 2 yr period of shedding the crap from previous staff which far outnumbered the stars.

IMO our defense loads better already it just hasn't meant wins because the offense still not good enough. ALso the defense just a player or 2 away from really being good. Probably a menacing middle linebacker would help a lot.

If at the end of next yr, the 3rd yr, Broncos aren't ready to sign a FA or 2 and make a run into playoffs then I will join up with you. IMO though he is only half way done remaking roster and needs at least 3 training camps and drafts before you can say his system doesn't work.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:53 AM
This.

As for the article, Woody is right. Most of the reasons that people don't like McDaniels have nothing to do with him as a head coach. They basically are: He's not Shanahan, he's a Patriot, he traded Cutler, he traded Hillis, he's too young, and "I just don't like him."

And the hatred for him among his critics is off the charts. It's borderline obsessive and deeply personal.

It's amazing how personal some of you take these posts.

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 11:54 AM
I think not having Doom (best pass rusher in the NFL), a 50% Clady, no Harris (again), no first round draft pick DT, and a just warming up Knowshon might affect a few things. Most teams losing an all pro LT and a very good RT, and who are forced to start a rookie at center, would have "issues" on offense. I'm sure that bringing back Shanahan would immediately clean up all those issues. Better yet, let's just throw in Tebow and pray for a miracle.

They need to look into water filtration in Texas.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:54 AM
Well anytime you switch systems there will be a big learning curve. Maybe you just expected too much? Also you probably prematurely thought Cutler was the QB for us? Maybe you still do and that is fueling why you have lost faith so quickly?

Broncos trying to get bigger, go to a 3/4, change oline blocking style. Had a ton of young players, and a bunch of injuries. Also a 2 yr period of shedding star players from previous coaching staf. Also a 2 yr period of shedding the crap from previous staff which far outnumbered the stars.

IMO our defense loads better already it just hasn't meant wins because the offense still not good enough. ALso the defense just a player or 2 away from really being good. Probably a menacing middle linebacker would help a lot.

If at the end of next yr, the 3rd yr, Broncos aren't ready to sign a FA or 2 and make a run into playoffs then I will join up with you. IMO though he is only half way done remaking roster and needs at least 3 training camps and drafts before you can say his system doesn't work.

We were 24-24 the previous 3 seasons prior to Josh taking the reigns. Now we are trending downward and steeply downward. He did not take over Tampa or STL.

Naggle Nole
09-17-2010, 11:56 AM
The fact is that Hillis provides great value & production for where he was drafted. He is excellent depth and better suited to that role than Buckhalter or Maroney.

You are condensing multiple arguments into that one statement
Some are true and some are not

It is absolutely true that he provides great value and production for where he was drafted
His production from the 2008 season alone justified his 7th round draft status, and the fact that he remains a commodity in this league only maintains it
Plus, he was used as an asset that allowed us to acquire a potentially superior one in Brady Quinn

It is partially true that he provides depth, but only for a team like the Browns that will allow him to play more instinctually
On the Broncos, IMO I would rather have Lance Ball because Hillis demonstrated on multiple occasions that despite his obvious physical skills, his understanding of the offense and his role within it were lacking
His lack of understanding cost the team in multiple ways that are easily seen (fumbles, penalties DIRECTLY attributed to him, lack of gap containment leading to ST touchdowns)

As for "better suited to that role", what role exactly?
As a HB? If you would rather have Hillis as your #2 than Buck or Maroney, we are going to have to agree to disagree
As a short-yardage back? Looks good on paper, but he sh*t the bed multiple times in that role for us last year
Maroney has a better and longer track record of short-yardage ability
As a FB? Undoubtedly, but that role is minimized in our offense and thus decreases his value as a Bronco
As a ST player? Watch some game film from last year and watch Hillis embarrass himself multiple times in these situations. Buck doesn't play STs, but Maroney is 10X the ST player that Hillis ever was

mkporter
09-17-2010, 11:57 AM
then don't you want what is best for this team? Or do you refuse to properly evaluate our favorite team's direction?

You asked if I will still have hope for our team. I will always have hope for our team. That's what being a fan means to me.

Now if you want to talk about what I think, that is a different story. As far as Josh goes, he is 8-9 as a broncos coach, and 0-1 this year. Some of his moves have worked, some haven't, and most of them we don't know the outcome yet. I believe that when you hire a new coach, you have to allow him to build the roster his way, and implement the schemes that he likes. You have to do this so that you can have a team with sustained success. If year three comes and goes, and we don't have the look of a playoff team, then I think Josh deserves the hot seat. For the most part, I like the kind of team that he is building, and I am excited about this season.

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 11:57 AM
We were 24-24 the previous 3 seasons prior to Josh taking the reigns. Now we are trending downward and steeply downward. He did not take over Tampa or STL.

And was the defense and STs getting better under Shanahan?

txtebow
09-17-2010, 11:58 AM
winning cures all...

I agree.
Unfortunately for us, we are in a 2 for 11 swoon under his guidance and when looking at our upcoming schedule, it could easily turn into a 3-13 in our last 16games. How some fans are not aware of this is puzzling.

DAN_BRONCO_FAN
09-17-2010, 12:01 PM
give Mcdaniels a chance people . one loss and alot of people freak out oh boy. just do like me wait and see . im shure McDaniels will improve.

jhns
09-17-2010, 12:01 PM
As for the article, Woody is right. Most of the reasons that people don't like McDaniels have nothing to do with him as a head coach. They basically are: He's not Shanahan, he's a Patriot, he traded Cutler, he traded Hillis, he's too young, and "I just don't like him."


LOL

"The reasons have nothing to do with McDaniels coaching. He traded this guy, traded that guy, makes horrible draft blunders with early picks, fires the coordinator of the only side of the ball that improved, and has continued making every other mistake that caused Shanahans downfall. These aren't reasons related to his job at all!"

Good stuff.

jhns
09-17-2010, 12:03 PM
give Mcdaniels a chance people . one loss and alot of people freak out oh boy. just do like me wait and see . im shure McDaniels will improve.

This one loss didn't change my opinion of him at all.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 12:03 PM
give Mcdaniels a chance people . one loss and alot of people freak out oh boy. just do like me wait and see . im shure McDaniels will improve.

Sir,
it is not just one loss--it is 9 losses in our last 11 games that matter.

Archer81
09-17-2010, 12:08 PM
Sir,
it is not just one loss--it is 9 losses in our last 11 games that matter.


So the last 10 games of 2009 matter, but the first 6 games dont?


:Broncos:

jhns
09-17-2010, 12:08 PM
I think not having Doom (best pass rusher in the NFL), a 50% Clady, no Harris (again), no first round draft pick DT, and a just warming up Knowshon might affect a few things. Most teams losing an all pro LT and a very good RT, and who are forced to start a rookie at center, would have "issues" on offense. I'm sure that bringing back Shanahan would immediately clean up all those issues. Better yet, let's just throw in Tebow and pray for a miracle.

They need to look into water filtration in Texas.

Shanahan had way more injuries and much younger players in key offensive positions for his last two years here. These were not good excuses. He was fired. It is funny that they are good excuses for McDaniels.

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 12:10 PM
Shanahan had way more injuries and much younger players in key offensive positions for his last two years here. These were not good excuses. He was fired. It is funny that they are good excuses for McDaniels.

And he went 7-9 and 8-8. Of course, that was after ten years of "building" the franchise.

Archer81
09-17-2010, 12:12 PM
And he went 7-9 and 8-8. Of course, that was after ten years of "building" the franchise.


Shanahan had a plan. Coddle the offense, make your "stars" happy and ignore the other 2/3 of the roster. That breeds success...


:Broncos:

Lev Vyvanse
09-17-2010, 12:13 PM
Sir,
it is not just one loss--it is 9 losses in our last 11 games that matter.

Broncofan7 we've missed you.:welcome:

mkporter
09-17-2010, 12:14 PM
We were 24-24 the previous 3 seasons prior to Josh taking the reigns. Now we are trending downward and steeply downward. He did not take over Tampa or STL.

Two points:
1) 8-9 is not a steep downward trend from 24-24. Your predictions of the future don't count in a rational analysis.

2) When Pat hired a new coach, he didn't hire someone to coach part of the team. He hired someone to coach the entire team. Hopefully for the long term. This means all areas of the team will get made over. The pieces that fit, he kept them (champ, clady, kuper, harris, graham, royal, dj, elvis). The pieces that didn't fit, or didn't want to fit (cutler, hillis, scheffler, marshall) he traded for the best value he could. The pieces that were not good enough, he dumped (winborn, webster, 30 others..)

I don't know that he will be successful in the long term, but he has built a competitive team to this point. I hope to see us become a perennial playoff team soon, and a top tier team in a few years. This season is one game old, and we lost a close game on the road to another competitive team. Not the end of the world, and certainly not nearly enough information to predict how the rest of the season is going to look.

My advice: don't throw in the towel on this team or McDaniels. Cheer for him and the team, and support them, and hope they prosper. You'll enjoy being a fan much more. No one on this board knows how this is all going to turn out.

jhns
09-17-2010, 12:14 PM
And he went 7-9 and 8-8. Of course, that was after ten years of "building" the franchise.

And McDaniels went 8-8 and 0-1. I fail to see the difference.

He was rebuilding. You can't see it but the roster turnover says it is true. He was fired for this stuff because they aren't good excuses. Well, unless we are talking about the precious princess McDaniels. He needs all the excuses he can get.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 12:15 PM
So the last 10 games of 2009 matter, but the first 6 games dont?


:Broncos:

As with any new regime, the players would have become more familair with the systems that Josh wanted to implement as the season progressed. He dmitted this off season and in camp how much 'further along' this team was than at the same point last year. Unfortuantely for us, the more familiar with Josh's systems that this team becomes, the worse off our results seem to be.

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 12:16 PM
25.5 + 30.1 + 25.4 = 81/3 = 27.

:Broncos:

You're aware you can't do an average age like that, right? Had there been 11 guys on your ST subsection, sure it would've worked, but you have prater and colquitt's age counting as much as the entire offense so it really brings that # down.

Did anyone even finish Highschool on this site?

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 12:17 PM
And McDaniels went 8-8 and 0-1. I fail to see the difference.

He was rebuilding. You can't see it but the roster turnover says it is true. He was fired for this stuff because they aren't good excuses. Well, unless we are talking about the precious princess McDaniels. He needs all the excuses he can get.

I'm assuming the problem is that McDaniels decided to include defense and STs in his rebuilding plans, so it takes a little longer.

OBF1
09-17-2010, 12:17 PM
Pete in Edmonton, I think I can answer this question for you better than Woody Paige.

See, Denver has suffered for years with a combination of the two biggest detriments a football fan base can have.

The first, a consistently competitive and successful team. This has taken perspective away from the fan base so that every loss is a disaster and every win short of a prolonged (4 games or more) win streak, a big playoff victory, or a title is ho hum.

The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid. As a result your average Broncos fan really believes that Jay Cutler is a good QB and other such absurdities.

Spoiled, ignorant fans then use the internet to soap box their idiotic opinions. Hence why you see so much venom on the internet about McDaniels.

Woody's response might have a shred of credibility if it wasn't just as bad before McDaniels coached his first game, or immediately after he lost his first game. The only thing that lead to some reduction in hostility was McDaniels winning his first six games in a row.

Word and REP.

Archer81
09-17-2010, 12:18 PM
You're aware you can't do an average age like that, right? Had there been 11 guys on your ST subsection, sure it would've worked, but you have prater and colquitt's age counting as much as the entire offense so it really brings that # down.

Did anyone even finish Highschool on this site?


Fine. Whatever.

25.4 + 30.1 = 55.5/2 = 27.75.

That 3/4 of a year makes SUCH a difference...

:Broncos:

jhns
09-17-2010, 12:18 PM
Shanahan had a plan. Coddle the offense, make your "stars" happy and ignore the other 2/3 of the roster. That breeds success...


:Broncos:

Switching to the "we want character, not talent" has been much better for the team.

Archer81
09-17-2010, 12:24 PM
As with any new regime, the players would have become more familair with the systems that Josh wanted to implement as the season progressed. He dmitted this off season and in camp how much 'further along' this team was than at the same point last year. Unfortuantely for us, the more familiar with Josh's systems that this team becomes, the worse off our results seem to be.


A season is 16 games long. Denver won 8 of the 16 contests last season. Keyword in this sentence is LAST season. The spin you are attempting to put on this is that somehow the only games that matter are the last 10. In reality last season does not mean much to this one. The 2010 Broncos are 0-1. They lost a close game to Jax because of mistakes Denver made, not anything spectacular Jacksonville did. This is not a sign of bad coaching or an extreme lack of talent. Your continued inability to see this for what it is is making you more of a joke.

:Broncos:

OBF1
09-17-2010, 12:26 PM
By my count... Miss Txtebow's rep is approx -10,000 unless other have also negative repped her.

I would put the biotch on ignore, but I want to see how far under I can put her.

Keep up the good work girlfriend

jhns
09-17-2010, 12:27 PM
They lost a close game to Jax because of mistakes Denver made, not anything spectacular Jacksonville did. This is not a sign of bad coaching or an extreme lack of talent.

LOL

Wtf?

Bronco Yoda
09-17-2010, 12:38 PM
fine. Whatever.

25.4 + 30.1 = 55.5/2 = 27.75.

That 3/4 of a year makes such a difference...

:broncos:

27.625

baja
09-17-2010, 12:52 PM
the personal shots really are unbecoming of an adult.


Maybe you would be kind enough to explain how my post below is a personal shot.

Quote:
Originally Posted by baja
My guess is your first awareness of the Denver Broncos came the day we drafted Tim Tebow.

TheReverend
09-17-2010, 12:56 PM
Fine. Whatever.

25.4 + 30.1 = 55.5/2 = 27.75.

That 3/4 of a year makes SUCH a difference...

:Broncos:

It's no so much the end result as it is not having a clue how to do math.

You did all the work to get the most accurate answer too...

Here:

ZOMG...you pulled an article from the Denver Post...how will I ever compete...

Orton: 27
Moreno: 23
Larsen: 26
Gaffney: 29
Lloyd: 29
Royal: 24
Clady: 24
Daniels: 25
Walton: 23
Kuper: 27
Beadles: 23

Total: 280/11=25.4

McBean: 26
Williams: 34
Bannan: 31
Ayres: 25
Haggan: 30
Williams: 28
Hunter: 27
Bailey: 32
Goodman: 32
Dawkins: 36
Hill: 31

Total: 332/11=30.1

Prater: 26
Colquitt: 25

Total: 51/2=25.5

25.5 + 30.1 + 25.4 = 81/3 = 27.

:Broncos:

Now you take those bolded totals... add them together and divide by 24. It's 27.625.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 01:06 PM
It's no so much the end result as it is not having a clue how to do math.

You did all the work to get the most accurate answer too...

Here:



Now you take those bolded totals... add them together and divide by 24. It's 27.625.


That's the same as 26, right?

Popps
09-17-2010, 01:15 PM
I can agree that this is HIS team. Unfortunately the results are not what any of us are looking for. .

Who is "us?"

Fairly sure you're not speaking for anyone here, boss.

HAT
09-17-2010, 01:19 PM
Broncofan7 we've missed you.:welcome:

No we haven't.....But good call!

Jetmeck
09-17-2010, 01:19 PM
I think not having Doom (best pass rusher in the NFL), a 50% Clady, no Harris (again), no first round draft pick DT, and a just warming up Knowshon might affect a few things. Most teams losing an all pro LT and a very good RT, and who are forced to start a rookie at center, would have "issues" on offense. I'm sure that bringing back Shanahan would immediately clean up all those issues. Better yet, let's just throw in Tebow and pray for a miracle.

They need to look into water filtration in Texas.

Another MCDUMMY mistake was letting a perfectly good center go back to one of our rivals when you didn't and still don't have a clue as to who will replace him ? The guy is a walking clusterkcuf
when it comes to talent evaluation !

HAT
09-17-2010, 01:20 PM
We were 24-24 the previous 3 seasons prior to Josh taking the reigns. Now we are trending downward and steeply downward.

Sample size = 1

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 01:21 PM
You're aware you can't do an average age like that, right? Had there been 11 guys on your ST subsection, sure it would've worked, but you have prater and colquitt's age counting as much as the entire offense so it really brings that # down.

Did anyone even finish Highschool on this site?

I thought the point was that this Broncos team is not that old...

Popps
09-17-2010, 01:22 PM
Another MCDUMMY mistake was letting a perfectly good center go back to one of our rivals when you didn't and still don't have a clue as to who will replace him ? The guy is a walking clusterkcuf
when it comes to talent evaluation !

No idea?

Heard of the NFL draft?

McDaniels made it clear that we were going younger and building out a line to fit our scheme. A 37 year old KC cast-off who struggled last season wasn't in the plans.

baja
09-17-2010, 01:24 PM
You're aware you can't do an average age like that, right? Had there been 11 guys on your ST subsection, sure it would've worked, but you have prater and colquitt's age counting as much as the entire offense so it really brings that # down.

Did anyone even finish Highschool on this site?

No, but I did stay at a Holliday Inn Express last night.

Jetmeck
09-17-2010, 01:24 PM
No idea?

Heard of the NFL draft?

McDaniels made it clear that we were going younger and building out a line to fit our scheme. A 37 year old KC cast-off who struggled last season wasn't in the plans.

how that workin for ya ? About like Smith we traded up for and almost gave away ?

Point being you keep a solid vet to ANCHOR that line until the rook is ready, period. It is just common sense !

Maybe getting Orton's ribs rearranged was in his plans ?

cutthemdown
09-17-2010, 01:26 PM
We were 24-24 the previous 3 seasons prior to Josh taking the reigns. Now we are trending downward and steeply downward. He did not take over Tampa or STL.

24 and 24 is crap. I'm not surprised it got worst before it got better. Besides 8-8 is about what we will go this yr. So really we haven't gotten worst, we just lose in a different way now.

The cure all is better players.

Popps
09-17-2010, 01:39 PM
how that workin for ya ?

Let's see... we've played one professional football game.


Maybe we'll take more than a week to make definitive judgments about guys?

Sound good?

Thanks.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 01:41 PM
Who is "us?"

Fairly sure you're not speaking for anyone here, boss.

So you are you rooting for 2-9? Interesting....

txtebow
09-17-2010, 01:42 PM
Sample size = 1

In our last 11 games we are 2 & 9.

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 01:45 PM
It's pretty simple...

The vast majority of home grown Denver Broncos fans, not the group that reside out of state, don't like the taste of Patriot soup. I don't, and most, home grown fans don't either.

The Denver Broncos fans are not ignorant football fans. We've had the privilege of watching the BEST quarterback to play the game and arguably, the best running back (of his era) to play as well. As a result, we are aware of what it takes to be elite at both of those positions. This is why most home grown fans do not believe in both Orton or Moreno. Orton is nothing more then a game manager and Moreno will be lucky to reach the heights of Sammy Winder.

Yes, it's true, I want the resurrection of John Elway and Terrel Davis; or at the very least, players that remind me of them. I love how Elway played the game and I want a QB that plays it in a similar fashion. I don't want a boring QB that excels at throwing the 7 yard quick slant. I want a QB that scrambles, runs around and makes big plays. Orton isn't and never will be this type of QB. This is why I personally have big hopes for Tim Tebow because he is this type of QB.

Additionally, I want a running back that dominates the game. I want a running back that not only runs over defenders but has the juice to make them miss in the open field. I want a running back that can get to the secondary and then take the rock to the house. Yes, I want Terrel Davis and not Moreno who is a running back that trips over his own feet more often then not.

I also want a coach that is a member of the Broncos family tree. I don't mind said coach leaving the nest and then returning but I hate the fact my beloved organization bent over like a tranny in prison to take it up the rear from the Patriots. I hate the Patriots almost as much as I hate the Raiders and every time McDs pedigree is mentioned I get reminded that my favorite team's head coach comes from that blood line. It makes me sick.

A lot of home grown Broncos fans feel the same way and this is the reason there is so much dislike for McD and what he brings to the table. Never mind the fact that he blew up one of the brightest young offenses in the league for the likes of Orton, Moreno and Gaffney; it's his blood line that offends me the most.

Popps
09-17-2010, 01:46 PM
So you are you rooting for 2-9? Interesting....

No, it's just very apparent that you speak for no one here.




It also reminds Taco and the mods that we really do need a "1-click" ignore option.

zdoor
09-17-2010, 01:48 PM
you're aware you can't do an average age like that, right? Had there been 11 guys on your st subsection, sure it would've worked, but you have prater and colquitt's age counting as much as the entire offense so it really brings that # down.

Did anyone even finish highschool on this site?

lol

Popps
09-17-2010, 01:50 PM
It's pretty simple...

it's his blood line that offends me the most.

Yea, well... as long as you realize that our last Superbowl team was a DIRECT import from the San Francisco 49ers.

100% of our game plan, philosophy and even a few players came from SF. Mike Shanahan said he learned "everything he knew about winning" in SF.


Who ****ing cares where a coach comes from. That's the most ignorant ****ing bull**** I've ever heard in my life.

"well.... see.... I'll like my team... but only if the coach is from a team that I don't dislike."


Seriously, of all the stupid **** written here... that might be in the lead.


The Broncos are MY team. I don't care where McDaniels is from. He's a Bronco now. **** anyone who doesn't like it.

Lev Vyvanse
09-17-2010, 01:52 PM
No we haven't.....But good call!

I have, he's a fine piece of tail.

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 01:53 PM
It's pretty simple...

The vast majority of home grown Denver Broncos fans, not the group that reside out of state, don't like the taste of Patriot soup. I don't, and most, home grown fans don't either.

The Denver Broncos fans are not ignorant football fans. We've had the privilege of watching the BEST quarterback to play the game and arguably, the best running back (of his era) to play as well. As a result, we are aware of what it takes to be elite at both of those positions. This is why most home grown fans do not believe in both Orton or Moreno. Orton is nothing more then a game manager and Moreno will be lucky to reach the heights of Sammy Winder.

Yes, it's true, I want the resurrection of John Elway and Terrel Davis; or at the very least, players that remind me of them. I love how Elway played the game and I want a QB that plays it in a similar fashion. I don't want a boring QB that excels at throwing the 7 yard quick slant. I want a QB that scrambles, runs around and makes big plays. Orton isn't and never will be this type of QB. This is why I personally have big hopes for Tim Tebow because he is this type of QB.

Additionally, I want a running back that dominates the game. I want a running back that not only runs over defenders but has the juice to make them miss in the open field. I want a running back that can get to the secondary and then take the rock to the house. Yes, I want Terrel Davis and not Moreno who is a running back that trips over his own feet more often then not.

I also want a coach that is a member of the Broncos family tree. I don't mind said coach leaving the nest and then returning but I hate the fact my beloved organization bent over like a tranny in prison to take it up the rear from the Patriots. I hate the Patriots almost as much as I hate the Raiders and every time McDs pedigree is mentioned I get reminded that my favorite team's head coach comes from that blood line. It makes me sick.

A lot of home grown Broncos fans feel the same way and this is the reason there is so much dislike for McD and what he brings to the table. Never mind the fact that he blew up one of the brightest young offenses in the league for the likes of Orton, Moreno and Gaffney; it's his blood line that offends me the most.

Imma home grown Broncos fan and I think you are a drama queen. Dan Reeves wasn't a Broncos pedigree when he was hired...

Broncos fans are just impatient as all get out, which is fine. However, having this zero tolerance for McD is assinine.

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 01:54 PM
Yea, well... as long as you realize that our last Superbowl team was a DIRECT import from the San Francisco 49ers.

100% of our game plan, philosophy and even a few players came from SF. Mike Shanahan said he learned "everything he knew about winning" in SF.


Who ****ing cares where a coach comes from. That's the most ignorant ****ing bull**** I've ever heard in my life.

"well.... see.... I'll like my team... but only if the coach is from a team that I don't dislike."


Seriously, of all the stupid **** written here... that might be in the lead.


The Broncos are MY team. I don't care where McDaniels is from. He's a Bronco now. **** anyone who doesn't like it.

Ha ha. Shanny was born (professional coaching wise) here in Denver. He left to make his bones and he came home to lead the team he loved the most. He didn't come from the Raiders or the 49ers, he went their to steal their secrets and bring them home.

HE WAS NOT AN IMPORT! There's a difference.

Good god, can you honestly say that McDingleberry wearing that god awful cut off hoody didn't offend you? It offended me quite a bit. It's bad enough the guy's blood line came from that east coast monstrosity but did he really have to rub it in our noses by wearing that trailer trashy hoody?

I expect the head coach of my favorite team to look like a head coach and not a street rat that oozed out the nearest trailer park.

Champagne Powder
09-17-2010, 01:56 PM
The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid.

Jeff Legwold is one of the best in the business though.

baja
09-17-2010, 01:58 PM
It's pretty simple...

The vast majority of home grown Denver Broncos fans, not the group that reside out of state, don't like the taste of Patriot soup. I don't, and most, home grown fans don't either.

The Denver Broncos fans are not ignorant football fans. We've had the privilege of watching the BEST quarterback to play the game and arguably, the best running back (of his era) to play as well. As a result, we are aware of what it takes to be elite at both of those positions. This is why most home grown fans do not believe in both Orton or Moreno. Orton is nothing more then a game manager and Moreno will be lucky to reach the heights of Sammy Winder.

Yes, it's true, I want the resurrection of John Elway and Terrel Davis; or at the very least, players that remind me of them. I love how Elway played the game and I want a QB that plays it in a similar fashion. I don't want a boring QB that excels at throwing the 7 yard quick slant. I want a QB that scrambles, runs around and makes big plays. Orton isn't and never will be this type of QB. This is why I personally have big hopes for Tim Tebow because he is this type of QB.

Additionally, I want a running back that dominates the game. I want a running back that not only runs over defenders but has the juice to make them miss in the open field. I want a running back that can get to the secondary and then take the rock to the house. Yes, I want Terrel Davis and not Moreno who is a running back that trips over his own feet more often then not.

I also want a coach that is a member of the Broncos family tree. I don't mind said coach leaving the nest and then returning but I hate the fact my beloved organization bent over like a tranny in prison to take it up the rear from the Patriots. I hate the Patriots almost as much as I hate the Raiders and every time McDs pedigree is mentioned I get reminded that my favorite team's head coach comes from that blood line. It makes me sick.

A lot of home grown Broncos fans feel the same way and this is the reason there is so much dislike for McD and what he brings to the table. Never mind the fact that he blew up one of the brightest young offenses in the league for the likes of Orton, Moreno and Gaffney; it's his blood line that offends me the most.

Damn that Josh McDaniels for not finding the next John Elway & TD in the first month after he got here. Fire him and find the next Vince Lombardi

HAT
09-17-2010, 02:00 PM
In our last 11 games we are 2 & 9.

Who gives a ****? McD inherited an 8-8 team & produced an 8-8 team.

Your assinine logic couldn't be any more full of fail. What if a team went 0-8 to start a year, then finished 8-0....Then started next year 8-0 but finished 0-8?

Guess what dip****? That's back to back .500 seasons.....not a 16-0 run. Douche.

The Joker
09-17-2010, 02:00 PM
Shanahan wasn't born in Denver.

Unless you mean his coaching career was born in Denver? Which isn't technically true either, in any case.

Do agree with some of the other points though, in particular about Tebow.

Rabb
09-17-2010, 02:02 PM
Shanahan wasn't born in Denver.

Unless you mean his coaching career was born in Denver? Which isn't technically true either, in any case.

Do agree with some of the other points though, in particular about Tebow.

he conveniently said professional coaching so he can discount the college experience he had before...I am also guessing he became a fan right around 1997 or so

Shanny is from Illinois I believe

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:03 PM
Damn that Josh McDaniels for not finding the next John Elway & TD in the first month after he got here. Fire him and find the next Vince Lombardi

No... not because he hasn't found the next Elway or Davis but because his bloodline oozes pus that wreaks of the Patriots. I hate it and I hate the fact that my favorite team just willing bent over and took it up the ass from that organization.

:clown:


PS - I'm half joking but I'm also half serious. ROFL! :sunshine:

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:03 PM
Shanahan wasn't born in Denver.

Unless you mean his coaching career was born in Denver? Which isn't technically true either, in any case.

Do agree with some of the other points though, in particular about Tebow.

Reread my post. :)

Rabb
09-17-2010, 02:05 PM
Reread my post. :)

you edited it because you knew you were about to get toasted

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:05 PM
he conveniently said professional coaching so he can discount the college experience he had before...I am also guessing he became a fan right around 1997 or so

Shanny is from Illinois I believe

LOL

Been a fan since I was old enough to understand the game; around 1976 or so.

The Patriot stink is quite over powering on this board. I don't understand how self proclaimed Broncos fans can so easily bend over and take it up the ass from that team. Makes me sick.

Kaylore
09-17-2010, 02:07 PM
It's pretty simple...

The vast majority of home grown Denver Broncos fans, not the group that reside out of state, don't like the taste of Patriot soup. I don't, and most, home grown fans don't either.

The Denver Broncos fans are not ignorant football fans. We've had the privilege of watching the BEST quarterback to play the game and arguably, the best running back (of his era) to play as well. As a result, we are aware of what it takes to be elite at both of those positions. This is why most home grown fans do not believe in both Orton or Moreno. Orton is nothing more then a game manager and Moreno will be lucky to reach the heights of Sammy Winder.

Yes, it's true, I want the resurrection of John Elway and Terrel Davis; or at the very least, players that remind me of them. I love how Elway played the game and I want a QB that plays it in a similar fashion. I don't want a boring QB that excels at throwing the 7 yard quick slant. I want a QB that scrambles, runs around and makes big plays. Orton isn't and never will be this type of QB. This is why I personally have big hopes for Tim Tebow because he is this type of QB.

Additionally, I want a running back that dominates the game. I want a running back that not only runs over defenders but has the juice to make them miss in the open field. I want a running back that can get to the secondary and then take the rock to the house. Yes, I want Terrel Davis and not Moreno who is a running back that trips over his own feet more often then not.

I also want a coach that is a member of the Broncos family tree. I don't mind said coach leaving the nest and then returning but I hate the fact my beloved organization bent over like a tranny in prison to take it up the rear from the Patriots. I hate the Patriots almost as much as I hate the Raiders and every time McDs pedigree is mentioned I get reminded that my favorite team's head coach comes from that blood line. It makes me sick.

A lot of home grown Broncos fans feel the same way and this is the reason there is so much dislike for McD and what he brings to the table. Never mind the fact that he blew up one of the brightest young offenses in the league for the likes of Orton, Moreno and Gaffney; it's his blood line that offends me the most.

I was born and raised in Denver. I have many native friends and none of us share you retard opinion. In fact we make fun of the losers like you who won't move on and keep waiting for "OMG TEH NEZT JON ELWAYYYYYY!!!!!!!" and keep wanting to live in the past in "the glory days."

If it's the people like you and your friends that make up the bulk of the haters, then I'm ok with that because it means the haters are just retards living in 90's. Enjoy your highlight reels and Ace of Base mixed tapes.

theAPAOps5
09-17-2010, 02:08 PM
I was born and raised in Denver. I have many native friends and none of us share you retard opinion. In fact we make fun of the losers like you who won't move on and keep waiting for "OMG TEH NEZT JON ELWAYYYYYY!!!!!!!" and keep wanting to live in the past in "the glory days."

If it's the people like you and your friends that make up the bulk of the haters, then I'm ok with that because it means the haters are just retards living in 90's. Enjoy your highlight reels and Ace of Base mixed tapes.

Snap is WAY better than Ace of Base!

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 02:08 PM
Ha ha. Shanny was born (professional coaching wise) here in Denver. He left to make his bones and he came home to lead the team he loved the most. He didn't come from the Raiders or the 49ers, he went their to steal their secrets and bring them home.

HE WAS NOT AN IMPORT! There's a difference.

Good god, can you honestly say that McDingleberry wearing that god awful cut off hoody didn't offend you? It offended me quite a bit. It's bad enough the guy's blood line came from that east coast monstrosity but did he really have to rub it in our noses by wearing that trailer trashy hoody?

I expect the head coach of my favorite team to look like a head coach and not a street rat that oozed out the nearest trailer park.

Seriously, you're gonna gripe about what McD wears on the sidelines too? That's really sad...

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:10 PM
And yes... winning does cure all. If McD starts winning then I'm I'll start liking the guy. But right now, with the team in shambles and reaking of Patriot spooge I'm not too happy as a fan.

bowtown
09-17-2010, 02:12 PM
Ha ha. Shanny was born (professional coaching wise) here in Denver. He left to make his bones and he came home to lead the team he loved the most. He didn't come from the Raiders or the 49ers, he went their to steal their secrets and bring them home.

HE WAS NOT AN IMPORT! There's a difference.

Good god, can you honestly say that McDingleberry wearing that god awful cut off hoody didn't offend you? It offended me quite a bit. It's bad enough the guy's blood line came from that east coast monstrosity but did he really have to rub it in our noses by wearing that trailer trashy hoody?

I expect the head coach of my favorite team to look like a head coach and not a street rat that oozed out the nearest trailer park.

No it didn't, but then again I don't form my opinions on football and base my enjoyment of it on fashion. I bet you were just hooooorified by those stripy socks last year too, weren't you?

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:13 PM
Seriously, you're gonna gripe about what McD wears on the sidelines too? That's really sad...

I have to admit... he looks much better this season. He looks like a professional, head coach. Kudos to him for making that change.

Yes... his look last year was obnoxious. He reeked of Patriot spunk and I didn't like the smell. Maybe you did. Maybe you don't mind the Patriot pheromones but I could do without having to smell them.

The sooner the guy BECOMES a Bronco, not only in employment but in heart, mind and soul; the sooner he'll be accepted in this town.

The Joker
09-17-2010, 02:14 PM
Malo CS?

http://southparkstudios.mtvnimages.com/images/shows/southpark/vertical_video/import/season_02/sp_0218_08_v6.jpg?width=200

HAT
09-17-2010, 02:16 PM
It's pretty simple...

The vast majority of home grown Denver Broncos fans, not the group that reside out of state, don't like the taste of Patriot soup. I don't, and most, home grown fans don't either.

The Denver Broncos fans are not ignorant football fans. We've had the privilege of watching the BEST quarterback to play the game and arguably, the best running back (of his era) to play as well. As a result, we are aware of what it takes to be elite at both of those positions. This is why most home grown fans do not believe in both Orton or Moreno. Orton is nothing more then a game manager and Moreno will be lucky to reach the heights of Sammy Winder.

Yes, it's true, I want the resurrection of John Elway and Terrel Davis; or at the very least, players that remind me of them. I love how Elway played the game and I want a QB that plays it in a similar fashion. I don't want a boring QB that excels at throwing the 7 yard quick slant. I want a QB that scrambles, runs around and makes big plays. Orton isn't and never will be this type of QB. This is why I personally have big hopes for Tim Tebow because he is this type of QB.

Additionally, I want a running back that dominates the game. I want a running back that not only runs over defenders but has the juice to make them miss in the open field. I want a running back that can get to the secondary and then take the rock to the house. Yes, I want Terrel Davis and not Moreno who is a running back that trips over his own feet more often then not.

I also want a coach that is a member of the Broncos family tree. I don't mind said coach leaving the nest and then returning but I hate the fact my beloved organization bent over like a tranny in prison to take it up the rear from the Patriots. I hate the Patriots almost as much as I hate the Raiders and every time McDs pedigree is mentioned I get reminded that my favorite team's head coach comes from that blood line. It makes me sick.

A lot of home grown Broncos fans feel the same way and this is the reason there is so much dislike for McD and what he brings to the table. Never mind the fact that he blew up one of the brightest young offenses in the league for the likes of Orton, Moreno and Gaffney; it's his blood line that offends me the most.

OMFGLOL.....That's comedy gold right there.

I'd be curious to know what other sports team you follow. Since you are 'Home grown Denver' I've gotta assume Nuggs, Rocks & 'Lanche?

What's your stance on Karl the evil invader from Seattle?

And hey, nevermind that Jim Tracy was NL MOY last year right? He's just some A-hole who used to manage those division rival Dodgers....THE HORROR!!!

I don't even know who the Av's coach is but surely you detest the entire franchise for being out-of-towners? From a whole 'nother country no less!

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 02:17 PM
And yes... winning does cure all. If McD starts winning then I'm I'll start liking the guy. But right now, with the team in shambles and reaking of Patriot spooge I'm not too happy as a fan.

I understand. But I've said this to some other's like yourself: it's easy to support a team when it's winning, it's much harder to support a team when it's struggling. We all want the team to win and but there is a huge difference between constructive criticizm and hatorade...

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:17 PM
No it didn't, but then again I don't form my opinions on football and base my enjoyment of it on fashion. I bet you were just hooooorified by those stripy socks last year too, weren't you?

No... those socks we're part of DENVER BRONCOS history. They were not from New England.

Were those socks ugly? ABSOLUTELY! But they were Denver Broncos socks and I loved them. I have an ugly dog but he's part of my family and I love the little guy with the whole of my heart.

My family, my team... I have much love and patience for both, despite their problems. Like I posted earlier, the sooner McD becomes a true Denver Bronco the better he'll be received in this town. That means he HAS to give up the Patriot spooge.

Shoemaker
09-17-2010, 02:18 PM
LOL

Been a fan since I was old enough to understand the game; around 1976 or so.

The Patriot stink is quite over powering on this board. I don't understand how self proclaimed Broncos fans can so easily bend over and take it up the ass from that team. Makes me sick.

What in the hell are you talking about? You've referenced the Broncos "taking it up the ass" from the Patriots like three times now, but we BEAT the Patriots the last time we played them.

Josh McDaniels is the Head Coach of the Denver Broncos. This is his first head coaching job. He was selected for the position by the man that OWNS the Denver Broncos. He is as much a Denver Bronco as any other player, coach, or fan is.

Why do you care so much that he cut his coaching chops as a member of one of the most successful franchises in football in the past decade? Why do you take it so personally that he coached for a team you don't like before coaching for us?

Hell, Shanahan coached for the RAIDERS before coming here, and probably brought some of the stuff he learned from that experience to the Broncos. Why didn't you resent him for that, if where a coach comes from is so important to you?

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:20 PM
OMFGLOL.....That's comedy gold right there.

I'd be curious to know what other sports team you follow. Since you are 'Home grown Denver' I've gotta assume Nuggs, Rocks & 'Lanche?

What's your stance on Karl the evil invader from Seattle?

And hey, nevermind that Jim Tracy was NL MOY last year right? He's just some A-hole who used to manage those division rival Dodgers....THE HORROR!!!

I don't even know who the Av's coach is but surely you detest the entire franchise for being out-of-towners? From a whole 'nother country no less!

I honestly don't give a **** about the Nuggets or Avalanche. Hate the sports.

I like the Rockies but I don't have the love affair with them as I do with the Broncos. This town is and always will be a football town. Those other sports are just activities to pass the time when the Broncos are not playing.

HAT
09-17-2010, 02:24 PM
If McD starts winning then I'm I'll start liking the guy.



Literally, a bandwagon is a wagon which carries the band in a parade, circus or other entertainment.[6] The phrase "jump on the bandwagon" first appeared in American politics in 1848 when Dan Rice, a famous and popular circus clown of the time, used his bandwagon and its music to gain attention for campaign appearances. As campaigns became more successful, more politicians strove for a seat on the bandwagon, hoping to be associated with the success.

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:24 PM
What in the hell are you talking about? You've referenced the Broncos "taking it up the ass" from the Patriots like three times now, but we BEAT the Patriots the last time we played them.

Josh McDaniels is the Head Coach of the Denver Broncos. This is his first head coaching job. He was selected for the position by the man that OWNS the Denver Broncos. He is as much a Denver Bronco as any other player, coach, or fan is.

Why do you care so much that he cut his coaching chops as a member of one of the most successful franchises in football in the past decade? Why do you take it so personally that he coached for a team you don't like before coaching for us?

Hell, Shanahan coached for the RAIDERS before coming here, and probably brought some of the stuff he learned from that experience to the Broncos. Why didn't you resent him for that, if where a coach comes from is so important to you?

Shanny left Denver to coach the Raiders. He then went on to the 49ers as an offensive coordinator. It's widely documented that he always had aspirations of returning home and coaching HIS favorite team. Those other organizations were just stops on his way back to Denver. The man was and always will be a Denver Bronco. It's in his heart.

It's the same as McD coming to Denver, then going to the Giants AND then returning to the Patriots as the head coach. Like I said, until he becomes a Denver Bronco in heart mind and soul, the people of Denver will reject him.

HAT
09-17-2010, 02:25 PM
I honestly don't give a **** about the Nuggets or Avalanche. Hate the sports.

I like the Rockies but I don't have the love affair with them as I do with the Broncos. This town is and always will be a football town. Those other sports are just activities to pass the time when the Broncos are not playing.

Fair enough.

bowtown
09-17-2010, 02:26 PM
Shanny left Denver to coach the Raiders. He then went on to the 49ers as an offensive coordinator. It's widely documented that he always had aspirations of returning home and coaching HIS favorite team. Those other organizations were just stops on his way back to Denver. The man was and always will be a Denver Bronco. It's in his heart.

It's the same as McD coming to Denver, then going to the Giants AND then returning to the Patriots as the head coach. Like I said, until he becomes a Denver Bronco in heart mind and soul, the people of Denver will reject him.

What does that even mean?

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:26 PM
Literally, a bandwagon is a wagon which carries the band in a parade, circus or other entertainment.[6] The phrase "jump on the bandwagon" first appeared in American politics in 1848 when Dan Rice, a famous and popular circus clown of the time, used his bandwagon and its music to gain attention for campaign appearances. As campaigns became more successful, more politicians strove for a seat on the bandwagon, hoping to be associated with the success.

So... and your point is. At least I'm honest about my opinions unlike most people on this board that try to sugar coat their taste for NE spunk.

HAT
09-17-2010, 02:27 PM
Those other organizations were just stops on his way back to Denver. The man was and always will be a Denver Bronco. It's in his heart.


Don't tell 'Skins fan that. :wiggle:

baja
09-17-2010, 02:27 PM
No... not because he hasn't found the next Elway or Davis but because his bloodline oozes pus that wreaks of the Patriots. I hate it and I hate the fact that my favorite team just willing bent over and took it up the ass from that organization.

:clown:


PS - I'm half joking but I'm also half serious. ROFL! :sunshine:

Shanahan was a Raider

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 02:29 PM
Malo, you need to go study your coaching trees. Josh came from one tree. Shanahan came from another. Wade Phillips from another. Reeves from another. Red Miller from another. If you were to judge them based on what team they came from and only support the ones who came from teams you don't hate, you wouldn't like any of them. Josh is starting a new era in Broncos Country. Knowing Bowlen's preference for coaching stability, he's not going anywhere soon. Might as well get used to it.

As a matter of fact, I remember quite a few Broncos fans who were pissed about Shanahan coming from the Walsh system. There was a lot of talk about "dink and dunk" at the time coming from the haters. Those who loved Reeves (yes, there were actually some) considered Shanahan some kind of saboteur and back stabber. It all worked out eventually.

HAT
09-17-2010, 02:29 PM
What does that even mean?

It means McD needs to where this on the sidelines. And look Malo it's not a hoodie!

http://images1.cpcache.com/product/i+love+denver-i+heart+denver-denver/303842541v2_225x225_Front.jpg

TotallyScrewed
09-17-2010, 02:29 PM
30+ players they let go (a large number are currently not on any other NFL roster, including Washington's)...

This is a stat that is true for nearly all teams. The vast majority of players that they let go are not on any other NFL roster. If it wasn't true, they wouldn't carry out "trades".

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 02:30 PM
Shanny left Denver to coach the Raiders. He then went on to the 49ers as an offensive coordinator. It's widely documented that he always had aspirations of returning home and coaching HIS favorite team. Those other organizations were just stops on his way back to Denver. The man was and always will be a Denver Bronco. It's in his heart.

It's the same as McD coming to Denver, then going to the Giants AND then returning to the Patriots as the head coach. Like I said, until he becomes a Denver Bronco in heart mind and soul, the people of Denver will reject him.

That alone right there should give you pause. Shanny left the Broncos to be the HC of the Broncos most hated rival. Tell me this: if Shanny had won as many games with the faiders as he did with the Broncos, would you still be calling him a "Denver Bronco at Heart"?

Didn't think so.

Also, think about this: if the 9ers had offered Shanny the HC position instead of the Broncos, would you still consider him a "Denver Bronco at Heart"?

Didn't think so.

Beantown Bronco
09-17-2010, 02:30 PM
I have to admit... he looks much better this season. He looks like a professional, head coach. Kudos to him for making that change.

Yes... his look last year was obnoxious. He reeked of Patriot spunk and I didn't like the smell. Maybe you did. Maybe you don't mind the Patriot pheromones but I could do without having to smell them.

The sooner the guy BECOMES a Bronco, not only in employment but in heart, mind and soul; the sooner he'll be accepted in this town.

Huh? When it was hot last year, he wore a short sleeve team polo.....just like he did last weekend. And when it gets cold this year, you can be sure that he'll wear the official team hoodie, just like last year.

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:31 PM
Don't tell 'Skins fan that. :wiggle:

EXACTLY!!!!! Do you really think that Shanny bleeds Red/Gold? Hell no! The man still has Orange/Blue coarsing through his veins. He's a hired gun, a stop gap at best. If he get's lucky enough to be inducted in the Hall of Fame I believe he goes in as a Bronco, not a Redskin.

That's what I'm talking about.

HAT
09-17-2010, 02:31 PM
F U Champ Bailey!!!!!!!!

I can't understand why you people take it up the @ss from that Redskin and lap up his Washington spooge.

txtebow
09-17-2010, 02:32 PM
Who gives a ****? McD inherited an 8-8 team & produced an 8-8 team.

Your assinine logic couldn't be any more full of fail. What if a team went 0-8 to start a year, then finished 8-0....Then started next year 8-0 but finished 0-8?

Guess what dip****? That's back to back .500 seasons.....not a 16-0 run. Douche.

The child-like demeanor of this message board is right in line with the level of aptitude being displayed in analyzing the Broncos. Now it all makes sense. Apparently this is how the other half lives.......

go_broncos
09-17-2010, 02:32 PM
I don't like Mcd because he doesn't win games.He reminds me of Mangini.
We won 2 games out of 11..People support in this forum as if he has a good record.
He sucks..He doesn't know how to draft.

I just hope that Idiot gets fired after this year.

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 02:33 PM
The child-like demeanor of this message board is right in line with the level of aptitude being displayed in analyzing the Broncos. Now it all makes sense. Apparently this is how the other half lives.......

You're too good for us. Now go away.

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 02:35 PM
I don't like Mcd because he doesn't win games.He reminds me of Mangini.
We won 2 games out of 11..People support in this forum as if he has a good record.
He sucks..He doesn't know how to draft.

I just hope that Idiot gets fired after this year.

Hell, I could build a team faster and better than this on Madden, the idjit.

baja
09-17-2010, 02:35 PM
I heard a rumor the Broncos play a football this Sunday?

Any thoughts?

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:36 PM
F U Champ Bailey!!!!!!!!

I can't understand why you people take it up the @ss from that Redskin and lap up his Washington spooge.

ROFL!

It's alright bro, even though I don't understand your taste for the NE spunk I believe in your right to shovel it down your gullet.

ROFL!

Shoemaker
09-17-2010, 02:37 PM
Shanny left Denver to coach the Raiders. He then went on to the 49ers as an offensive coordinator. It's widely documented that he always had aspirations of returning home and coaching HIS favorite team. Those other organizations were just stops on his way back to Denver. The man was and always will be a Denver Bronco. It's in his heart.

It's the same as McD coming to Denver, then going to the Giants AND then returning to the Patriots as the head coach. Like I said, until he becomes a Denver Bronco in heart mind and soul, the people of Denver will reject him.

I'm just completely bewildered by this point. Josh McDaniels is the Head Coach of this TEAM. How could he possibly be MORE of a Bronco than he is now-he, Xanders, and Bowlen decide what the Denver Broncos ARE as long as he's the coach.

What, in your opinion does he have to DO to "become a Denver Bronco?" Would you really have him change the offensive system that he learned and developed during his years as an offensive coordinator just because its not what the Broncos have done in the past? Why would you want McDaniels to coach a system that he is unfamiliar with, as opposed to a system that he knows backwards and forwards and has been extremely successful in the NFL?

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 02:40 PM
I'm just completely bewildered by this point. Josh McDaniels is the Head Coach of this TEAM. How could he possibly be MORE of a Bronco than he is now-he, Xanders, and Bowlen decide what the Denver Broncos ARE as long as he's the coach.

What, in your opinion does he have to DO to "become a Denver Bronco?" Would you really have him change the offensive system that he learned and developed during his years as an offensive coordinator just because its not what the Broncos have done in the past? Why would you want McDaniels to coach a system that he is unfamiliar with, as opposed to a system that he knows backwards and forwards and has been extremely successful in the NFL?

Lemme answer this one: McD has to go back in history and erase his time with the hated patriots. He also has to only have coached for the Denver Broncos on any level, previous to being hired by the Broncos as their HC.

jhns
09-17-2010, 02:41 PM
McDaniels is above reproach because McDaniels is bigger than the Broncos!

What a joke of a fan base.

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:41 PM
I'm just completely bewildered by this point. Josh McDaniels is the Head Coach of this TEAM. How could he possibly be MORE of a Bronco than he is now-he, Xanders, and Bowlen decide what the Denver Broncos ARE as long as he's the coach.

What, in your opinion does he have to DO to "become a Denver Bronco?" Would you really have him change the offensive system that he learned and developed during his years as an offensive coordinator just because its not what the Broncos have done in the past? Why would you want McDaniels to coach a system that he is unfamiliar with, as opposed to a system that he knows backwards and forwards and has been extremely successful in the NFL?

Seriously, the guy is a Bronco by employment only, not by choice or because this was where he made his bones as a coach. He would have taken this job if it was with the Chiefs, the Raiders, the Seahawks or any other team that chose to HIRE him.

As a result, he brings with him the foul stench of Patriot spooge. His actions, his demeanor, his style and his decisions are all rooted in the Patriot way; there is NO Bronco in him, it's all Patriot.

baja
09-17-2010, 02:42 PM
ROFL!

It's alright bro, even though I don't understand your taste for the NE spunk I believe in your right to shovel it down your gullet.

ROFL!

Again. Shanahan was a Raider.

How does that sit with your reasons for hating McD?

bowtown
09-17-2010, 02:42 PM
Lemme answer this one: McD has to go back in history and erase his time with the hated patriots. He also has to only have coached for the Denver Broncos on any level, previous to being hired by the Broncos as their HC.

Don't forget that he has to kill his father and brother so that no nepotism can be claimed.

MaloCS
09-17-2010, 02:42 PM
Lemme answer this one: McD has to go back in history and erase his time with the hated patriots. He also has to only have coached for the Denver Broncos on any level, previous to being hired by the Broncos as their HC.

Do you at least pinch your nose when you swallow the Patriot goo?

baja
09-17-2010, 02:44 PM
McDaniels is above reproach because McDaniels is bigger than the Broncos!

What a joke of a fan base.

SucKs doesn't it.

There's always fishing...

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 02:45 PM
Do you at least pinch your nose when you swallow the Patriot goo?

You're the one who knows all about swallowing spoog and goo...

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 02:49 PM
BTW, Lou Saban and Red Miller also came through the Patriots. Reeves was 100% Dallas Cowboy.

HAT
09-17-2010, 02:49 PM
Again. Shanahan was a Raider.

How does that sit with your reasons for hating McD?

It's pretty clear that this is one of those threads where a poster states a belief, gets universally pummeled for it, but will continue to defend it. Just let him ride it all the way to the bottom. (And say hi to Blue when you get there)

The rest of us can continue being rational knowing that sports, by their very nature, are transitory.

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 02:51 PM
BTW, Lou Saban and Red Miller also came through the Patriots. Reeves was 100% Dallas Cowboy.

Reeves came from the cowboys after they beat the Broncos in the 1978 SB... I couldn't stand the cowboys and still can't stand the cowboys, but I loved Reeves when he was the Broncos HC...

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 02:55 PM
Anyone Remember when Reeves brought in the original TD after the pokes cut him... yah, that did suck...

Shoemaker
09-17-2010, 02:57 PM
Seriously, the guy is a Bronco by employment only, not by choice or because this was where he made his bones as a coach. He would have taken this job if it was with the Chiefs, the Raiders, the Seahawks or any other team that chose to HIRE him.

As a result, he brings with him the foul stench of Patriot spooge. His actions, his demeanor, his style and his decisions are all rooted in the Patriot way; there is NO Bronco in him, it's all Patriot.

I hate to break it to you, Malo, but every single Bronco except for Pat Bowlen and the team's other owners are "Broncos by employment." That's sort of the definition; they're all Bowlen's employees.

So, basically, you're accusing us of being terrible Broncos fans because we support the team's current head coach despite the fact that he doesn't fit your arbitrary definition of "what it means to be a Bronco."

Can I ask why you resent McDaniels so much for his coaching background? You've made a lot of references to Patriot stench and semen, but what, exactly, has the program done other than be extremely successful for the past 10 years that makes you hate them so much? And why do you despise McDaniels solely because he came up in the NFL coaching in such a successful system?

bowtown
09-17-2010, 02:58 PM
Reeves came from the cowboys after they beat the Broncos in the 1978 SB... I couldn't stand the cowboys and still can't stand the cowboys, but I loved Reeves when he was the Broncos HC...

Yeah, but only becasue he didn't wear a fedora.

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 03:02 PM
I hate to break it to you, Malo, but every single Bronco except for Pat Bowlen and the team's other owners are "Broncos by employment." That's sort of the definition; they're all Bowlen's employees.

So, basically, you're accusing us of being terrible Broncos fans because we support the team's current head coach despite the fact that he doesn't fit your arbitrary definition of "what it means to be a Bronco."

Can I ask why you resent McDaniels so much for his coaching background? You've made a lot of references to Patriot stench and semen, but what, exactly, has the program done other than be extremely successful for the past 10 years that makes you hate them so much? And why do you despise McDaniels solely because he came up in the NFL coaching in such a successful system?

I don't get all the hate for the Pats. The Pats are one of the original 1960 AFL teams and the Broncos have consistently whipped up on them over the last 50 years or so... I'm not sure what the Broncos record is against the Pats but I think it's pretty one sided.

Shoemaker
09-17-2010, 03:02 PM
McDaniels is above reproach because McDaniels is bigger than the Broncos!

What a joke of a fan base.

Literally nobody said this, jhns. Which, I expect, is why you didn't have a direct quote in your post where you accuse somebody of saying it.

If you were referring to one of my posts, you have completely and wildly misconstrued my point to fit your own argument, as usual. Nowhere in my post did I say that McDaniels was above reproach. I don't think I referenced his fallibility at all, in fact.

I was actually disputing Malo's point that McDaniels somehow is not a Denver Bronco, even though he's the head coach of the team. If you'll notice, pointing out that McDaniels IS a Denver Bronco is not the same thing as saying McDaniels is "bigger than" the Broncos.

You claim you're not a troll, so if you're interested in intelligent debate on this topic, quote something I said that you disagree with instead of making wild accusations based on things nobody said.

baja
09-17-2010, 03:09 PM
McDaniels is above reproach because McDaniels is bigger than the Broncos!

What a joke of a fan base.

I hear Pat Bowlen is considering a name change....

The Denver MCDaniels'

jhns
09-17-2010, 03:09 PM
I wasn't referring to a specific post Shoe. I was commenting on the general attitude of this forum.

jhns
09-17-2010, 03:11 PM
I hear Pat Bowlen is considering a name change....

The Denver MCDaniels'

You should probably send this in as a suggestion just to make sure he is considering it. It would be a shame if it wasn't at least considered.

Shoemaker
09-17-2010, 03:12 PM
I wasn't referring to a specific post Shoe. I was commenting on the general attitude of this forum.

And what, exactly, are you basing the perception that this is the "general attitude of the forum" on?

Do you have any specific examples of people outright saying "McDaniels is bigger than the Denver Broncos?" or "McDaniels is above reproach?"

Because I'm pretty sure there isn't a single poster who has made one or both of those claims.

Rock Chalk
09-17-2010, 03:14 PM
9/41 yds
4.55 ypc. I'd take that. (1 fumble lost)

Knowshon had 15/60 yards= 4 YPC

And 0 fumbles lost.

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 03:14 PM
And what, exactly, are you basing the perception that this is the "general attitude of the forum" on?

Do you have any specific examples of people outright saying "McDaniels is bigger than the Denver Broncos?" or "McDaniels is above reproach?"

Because I'm pretty sure there isn't a single poster who has made one or both of those claims.

jhns can't see beyond his "I hate McDaniels" blinders. He's like that dickwad that ran the "Fire Mike Shanahan" website for years.

Hell, probably the same guy. Ha!

Dagmar
09-17-2010, 03:15 PM
I wasn't referring to a specific post Shoe. I was commenting on the general attitude of this forum.

So no proof at all then?

Taco is right, winning will be the thing that cleanses this board of trolls. If you want a laugh check out the posts from Punisher from weeks 4-6 last year. And try and find ones from jhns.

Dagmar
09-17-2010, 03:16 PM
And 0 fumbles lost.

Alex you and I know it's better to have .4 more yards per carry than no turnovers.

Atwater His Ass
09-17-2010, 03:17 PM
McD has changed the entire philosphy of a lot of fans.

When wolf was around bashing Shanahan left and right, I thought he was crazy, because I believed in Shanahan and had faith that he would work things out. It takes time to replace a HOF QB.

The difference now is that I have zero faith in McDaniels. I don't care for him as a person, how he represents himself and the organization, what he's done in personnel moves, etc.

And that is a clear difference for me as a fan. This franchise has dampened my enthusiasim for this team and they will have to work to bring it back. This is something that a lot of fans are going through and is why there is currently such a polarized fan base.

There are so many sheep on this board it's ridiculous. It's like 90% of the posters cannot think for themselves or look at the situation objectively. It's just the internet jump on the bandwagon mind set. It's easy to just dismiss these posts, since those posters bring absolutley nothing to the table, but the abundance of it astounishes me from time to time.

The MVPlaya
09-17-2010, 03:27 PM
The difference now is that I have zero faith in McDaniels. I don't care for him as a person, how he represents himself and the organization, what he's done in personnel moves, etc.



How does he represent himself and the organization? I hope you realize all those draft day moves wasn't because we're hated.

And no one is asking for anybody to care for him as a person, but the fact that this is on your mindset pretty much sets a bar for you on the stupidity/incompetent spectrum.

Shoemaker
09-17-2010, 03:27 PM
McD has changed the entire philosphy of a lot of fans.

When wolf was around bashing Shanahan left and right, I thought he was crazy, because I believed in Shanahan and had faith that he would work things out. It takes time to replace a HOF QB.

The difference now is that I have zero faith in McDaniels. I don't care for him as a person, how he represents himself and the organization, what he's done in personnel moves, etc.

And that is a clear difference for me as a fan. This franchise has dampened my enthusiasim for this team and they will have to work to bring it back. This is something that a lot of fans are going through and is why there is currently such a polarized fan base.

This is a point that I find interesting. I believed in Shanahan, too, but after we kept getting worse and worse on defense in his last few years here, I found it harder and harder to do so. After that humiliating loss to the Chargers to end 2008, when Shanahan said he WOULDN'T fire Slowick despite the abortion of a defense that we had fielded that year, I finally lost faith.

I guess I'm just curious why you believed in Shanahan's ability to get this team back on the right track too much. As much as I loved him as a coach, I can't remember Shanny ever showing any ability to consistently draft and develop defensive talent or to construct and maintain a competitive defense throughout his years here.

I completely understand that McDaniels hasn't proven anything as a head coach in the NFL, and there's no concrete reason to be confident that he'll build a successful Broncos team during his tenure here. I believe he will, but that's mainly because I like his philiosophy, his ideas, and his approach to coaching-which you don't, and to each their own.

I would just like to know why you feel you had a concrete reason to believe that Shanahan would have been able to improve the defense enough to make this team a contender again, and why you feel so strongly that firing him was the wrong move? I just hadn't seen anything in the past ten years or so from Shanahan that made me think he'd be able to fix the defensive mess he had created. Had you seen something I didn't?

jhns
09-17-2010, 03:29 PM
So no proof at all then?

Taco is right, winning will be the thing that cleanses this board of trolls. If you want a laugh check out the posts from Punisher from weeks 4-6 last year. And try and find ones from jhns.

I posted at entire time if that is what you are getting at. Trolls like you are of no consequence though. Aren't you one of the trolls that went on forever about ignore and not quoting me? What changed?

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 03:29 PM
McD has changed the entire philosphy of a lot of fans.

When wolf was around bashing Shanahan left and right, I thought he was crazy, because I believed in Shanahan and had faith that he would work things out. It takes time to replace a HOF QB.

The difference now is that I have zero faith in McDaniels. I don't care for him as a person, how he represents himself and the organization, what he's done in personnel moves, etc.

And that is a clear difference for me as a fan. This franchise has dampened my enthusiasim for this team and they will have to work to bring it back. This is something that a lot of fans are going through and is why there is currently such a polarized fan base.

There are so many sheep on this board it's ridiculous. It's like 90% of the posters cannot think for themselves or look at the situation objectively. It's just the internet jump on the bandwagon mind set. It's easy to just dismiss these posts, since those posters bring absolutley nothing to the table, but the abundance of it astounishes me from time to time.

talk about the pot calling the kettle black, example A LOL

Translation: "I can't sleep without my Shanny blanky covering me."

I've said it before and I'll say it again, many fans are simply scared of change.

I'm not blindly supporting McD, but I am willing to give him some time... switching to a completely new offense and a completely new defense takes more than one season...

jhns
09-17-2010, 03:32 PM
And what, exactly, are you basing the perception that this is the "general attitude of the forum" on?


I am basing it on the facy that every time there is any critisism of McDaniels, the next 50 posts are about how dumb that poster is, how they aren't real fans, and how there is a new Bible being written with McDaniels taking the place of Jesus. Are you new here or what?

Archer81
09-17-2010, 03:35 PM
It's no so much the end result as it is not having a clue how to do math.

You did all the work to get the most accurate answer too...

Here:



Now you take those bolded totals... add them together and divide by 24. It's 27.625.


God...

Math is so gay.

:Broncos:

Rock Chalk
09-17-2010, 03:36 PM
You're aware you can't do an average age like that, right? Had there been 11 guys on your ST subsection, sure it would've worked, but you have prater and colquitt's age counting as much as the entire offense so it really brings that # down.

Did anyone even finish Highschool on this site?

You are correct, the average age of the starters of this years Denver broncos is 27.625 years (assuming all his addition math is correct).

663 years / 24 players (11 offense, 11 defense, 2 special teams).

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 03:37 PM
I am basing it on the facy that every time there is any critisism of McDaniels, the next 50 posts are about how dumb that poster is, how they aren't real fans, and how there is a new Bible being written with McDaniels taking the place of Jesus. Are you new here or what?

Dude, it's about how irrational the anti-McD crowd is and nothing more. All I'm saying is give him some time, that's it. Why is that so irrational?

This is the day and age of instant gratification and when posters (supposed Broncos fans) don't get the instant gratification they want, the complain ad nausium FORCING the more rational posters to put up a front.

Every action causes a reaction and the anti McD crowd is the people rocking the living crap out of the boat!

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 03:37 PM
I am basing it on the facy that every time there is any critisism of McDaniels, the next 50 posts are about how dumb that poster is, how they aren't real fans, and how there is a new Bible being written with McDaniels taking the place of Jesus. Are you new here or what?

:bs:

I've posted plenty of negative things about McDaniels. Didn't agree with the Fonze pick. Disagreed with the Tebow pick. I disagreed with a lot of the playcalling last week, but suspect that much of that had to do with Oline problems. But that's not the same as haters coming on here and posting that McDaniels is a failure, everything he has done is wrong, and he will never succeed. And all this based on his first sixteen or so months as HC.

Shoemaker
09-17-2010, 03:38 PM
I am basing it on the facy that every time there is any critisism of McDaniels, the next 50 posts are about how dumb that poster is, how they aren't real fans, and how there is a new Bible being written with McDaniels taking the place of Jesus. Are you new here or what?

You know, again, I don't think any of this actually happens. This is another example of you stating something as fact without actually backing it up.

Could you please provide an example of somebody who criticizes McDaniels getting burned in effigy like you claim where the fifty posters in support of McDaniels aren't making reasonable, logical arguments to support their position?

Because despite my low post count, I've been reading this board for a long time, and I can't remember a single thread happening in the manner that you describe EVERY thread criticizing McDaniels happening in.

And please don't pull your usual argument of telling me to look it up myself because examples are "everywhere." I would like some proof that this is how the Mane actually reacts to criticism of McDaniels and not just another one of your hyperbolic statements of fact.

Dagmar
09-17-2010, 03:39 PM
I posted at entire time if that is what you are getting at. Trolls like you are of no consequence though. Aren't you one of the trolls that went on forever about ignore and not quoting me? What changed?

People keep quoting you. What secton will you be jeering the coach /noodle armed Qb / slow running back from this weekend?

jhns
09-17-2010, 03:41 PM
I've posted plenty of negative things about McDaniels. Didn't agree with the Fonze pick. Disagreed with the Tebow pick. I disagreed with a lot of the playcalling last week, but suspect that much of that had to do with Oline problems.

You are dumb. You aren't a real fan. McDaniels is taking the place of Jesus in the Bible.

Taco John
09-17-2010, 03:42 PM
I'm not blindly supporting McD, but I am willing to give him some time... switching to a completely new offense and a completely new defense takes more than one season...


It took Belichick and Shanahan one season to install their completely new systems. In each of their second years, they had teams that were ready to compete in the playoffs for a title.

PRBronco
09-17-2010, 03:44 PM
It took Belichick and Shanahan one season to install their completely new systems. In each of their second years, they had teams that were ready to compete in the playoffs for a title.

I have a feeling neither inherited a diabetic double chinned frown cannon and his aviator wearing dad though. They inherited franchise QBs that weren't ready to pout their way out of town.

Shoemaker
09-17-2010, 03:46 PM
You are dumb. You aren't a real fan. McDaniels is taking the place of Jesus in the Bible.

Has anybody actually said this? Ever? Can you provide any examples of somebody reacting like this to criticism of McDaniels aside from what you just posted?

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 03:47 PM
I have a feeling neither inherited a diabetic double chinned frown cannon and his aviator wearing dad though. They inherited franchise QBs that weren't ready to pout their way out of town.

Hilarious!

jhns
09-17-2010, 03:47 PM
People keep quoting you. What secton will you be jeering the coach /noodle armed Qb / slow running back from this weekend?

Are those supposed to be my critisisms of the team? I would love for you to find me saying something about a noodle arm or slow RB. Shoot, find a single thing bad I have ever said about Moreno.

Tombstone RJ
09-17-2010, 03:48 PM
It took Belichick and Shanahan one season to install their completely new systems. In each of their second years, they had teams that were ready to compete in the playoffs for a title.

For sure, but both those coaches had good QBs to start with and no, I refuse to accept that Cutler was/is anything special until he proves he can consistently win in the NFL.

I don't necessarily agree with everything McD has done and I initially freaked when Cutler left but the fact remains the same that McD's overall philosophy on how to build a team should be allowed to run it's course before "off with his head" threads and posts are all over the Omane like wildfire...

Archer81
09-17-2010, 03:48 PM
I have a feeling neither inherited a diabetic double chinned frown cannon and his aviator wearing dad though. They inherited franchise QBs that weren't ready to pout their way out of town.


I dont know if Bledsoe pouted. He did almost die, got superceded by Brady and then sent to Buffalo.

:Broncos:

~Crash~
09-17-2010, 03:50 PM
HAHA!

We took their crown as soon as we got Mr Elway.

nope sorry you are wrong ! wish you were right but........................

Rohirrim
09-17-2010, 03:50 PM
I have a feeling neither inherited a diabetic double chinned frown cannon and his aviator wearing dad though. They inherited franchise QBs that weren't ready to pout their way out of town.

Not to mention that Belichick and Shanahan were both very familiar with their new teams already. Josh comes in totally cold.

~Crash~
09-17-2010, 03:53 PM
winning cures all...

:sunshine:

Chris
09-17-2010, 03:53 PM
I have a feeling neither inherited a diabetic double chinned frown cannon and his aviator wearing dad though. They inherited franchise QBs that weren't ready to pout their way out of town.

or a high school caliber defense.

~Crash~
09-17-2010, 03:58 PM
It took Belichick and Shanahan one season to install their completely new systems. In each of their second years, they had teams that were ready to compete in the playoffs for a title.

Yeah Taco but our Oline was light in the Shorts we need the size to get completive. and to do that most Oline players take some time to get into a good place .I see us better next year not so bad now if McD is stinking it up late next year then we can kick him to the curb. not this year IMO .

Dagmar
09-17-2010, 04:01 PM
It took Belichick and Shanahan one season to install their completely new systems. In each of their second years, they had teams that were ready to compete in the playoffs for a title.

How's the junior miss Taco doing?

Archer81
09-17-2010, 04:03 PM
Yeah Taco but our Oline was light in the Shorts we need the size to get 1. completive. and to do that most Oline players take some time to 2. get into a good place .I see us better 3. next year not so bad now if McD is stinking it up late next year then we can kick him to the curb. not this year IMO .

1. Huh?
2. You mean get comfortable?
3. ET Phone home.


:Broncos:

Steve Sewell
09-17-2010, 04:05 PM
http://www.denverpost.com/paige/ci_16097992

The inference that Josh McDaniels will be introduced to his potential Waterloo in the opening home game seems premature and impulsive.

But . . . the Broncos coach will be confronting Waterloo not the ABBA song, but the sort of vanquishing Napoleon took on Sunday against the Seahawks.

A defeat would be the Broncos' 10th in 12 games dating to Nov. 1, 2009. Ahead, the Broncos have four games in which they will be underdogs. Only once in the franchise's half century have the Broncos suffered 14 losses in 16 games (under Lou Saban in 1967-68).

And every time he loses, McDaniels will suffer the wrath of Broncos "fans."

Woody: I read the comments attached to each article in The Post (online). What I can't understand is why there is so much venom being extended McD's way (even leading to a website that calls for his dismissal).

Peter Baba, Edmonton, Alberta

Two victories in 11 games would be the major reason given by McDaniels' detractors.

The trading away of the team's two highest-profile offensive players (Jay Cutler and Brandon Marshall,) and the cutting and dealing of three other popular players (Brandon Stokley, Tony Scheffler and Peyton Hillis), would be another big reason


Rest in the link.......

100 post rule GTFO

baja
09-17-2010, 04:18 PM
It took Belichick and Shanahan one season to install their completely new systems. In each of their second years, they had teams that were ready to compete in the playoffs for a title.

Did they inherit a team that had 32 players on the roster than proved to be not wanted by 31 other teams?

Atwater His Ass
09-17-2010, 04:23 PM
This is a point that I find interesting. I believed in Shanahan, too, but after we kept getting worse and worse on defense in his last few years here, I found it harder and harder to do so. After that humiliating loss to the Chargers to end 2008, when Shanahan said he WOULDN'T fire Slowick despite the abortion of a defense that we had fielded that year, I finally lost faith.

I guess I'm just curious why you believed in Shanahan's ability to get this team back on the right track too much. As much as I loved him as a coach, I can't remember Shanny ever showing any ability to consistently draft and develop defensive talent or to construct and maintain a competitive defense throughout his years here.

I completely understand that McDaniels hasn't proven anything as a head coach in the NFL, and there's no concrete reason to be confident that he'll build a successful Broncos team during his tenure here. I believe he will, but that's mainly because I like his philiosophy, his ideas, and his approach to coaching-which you don't, and to each their own.

I would just like to know why you feel you had a concrete reason to believe that Shanahan would have been able to improve the defense enough to make this team a contender again, and why you feel so strongly that firing him was the wrong move? I just hadn't seen anything in the past ten years or so from Shanahan that made me think he'd be able to fix the defensive mess he had created. Had you seen something I didn't?

Shanahan had his offenisve pieces in place. They were extremely young, coming off a productive season, and ready to explode this offensive to extremely high levels.

Defensively, I was only concerned that Shanahan wouldn't look for a new DC. Our championship teams did not have stellar defenses. They were aggressive and were able to cause turnovers, but they certaintly weren't world beaters. The defense only needed to be improved to middle of the road.

As far as losing the SD game in 2008, yeah it sucked. But it was a maturation process for that very young team. I find it funny that people like to point to that game, but then just go ahead and ignore the fact that McD had the most epic collapse in the history of this team, but they cut him slack for that. Go figure.

In any case, I can understand why Bowlen fired Shanahan. I don't agree with it, but I can understand his positoin. What I cannot fathom is why he brought in a guy like McDaniels. I don't see anything positive he brings to the table over Shanahan and his attitude just turns off more fans than not.

I mean you want to talk about defense, which was the only bright spot last year (development wise), and he goes ahead and gets rid of the best DC we've had in here for decades.

Jetmeck
09-17-2010, 04:27 PM
100 post rule GTFO

Total BS, 100 POST RULE. This dude makes as much sense as some of you that live on here and have a gazillion posts !

Some of you been down on me when I state the obvious as he did.
If you can't see things are not better but worse then take another drink of kool aid.

Just because someone points out a flaw and doesn't pray to the altar of MCD doesn't make them a bad fan. Eyes wide open !

Jetmeck
09-17-2010, 04:30 PM
Shanahan had his offenisve pieces in place. They were extremely young, coming off a productive season, and ready to explode this offensive to extremely high levels.

Defensively, I was only concerned that Shanahan wouldn't look for a new DC. Our championship teams did not have stellar defenses. They were aggressive and were able to cause turnovers, but they certaintly weren't world beaters. The defense only needed to be improved to middle of the road.

As far as losing the SD game in 2008, yeah it sucked. But it was a maturation process for that very young team. I find it funny that people like to point to that game, but then just go ahead and ignore the fact that McD had the most epic collapse in the history of this team, but they cut him slack for that. Go figure.

In any case, I can understand why Bowlen fired Shanahan. I don't agree with it, but I can understand his positoin. What I cannot fathom is why he brought in a guy like McDaniels. I don't see anything positive he brings to the table over Shanahan and his attitude just turns off more fans than not.

I mean you want to talk about defense, which was the only bright spot last year (development wise), and he goes ahead and gets rid of the best DC we've had in here for decades.


Hold on now, do not apply logic or common sense around here. If you don't like McD you are just a bad fan and just don't understand ? Please.

Steve Sewell
09-17-2010, 04:43 PM
It's pretty simple...

The vast majority of home grown Denver Broncos fans, not the group that reside out of state, don't like the taste of Patriot soup. I don't, and most, home grown fans don't either.

The Denver Broncos fans are not ignorant football fans. We've had the privilege of watching the BEST quarterback to play the game and arguably, the best running back (of his era) to play as well. As a result, we are aware of what it takes to be elite at both of those positions. This is why most home grown fans do not believe in both Orton or Moreno. Orton is nothing more then a game manager and Moreno will be lucky to reach the heights of Sammy Winder.

Yes, it's true, I want the resurrection of John Elway and Terrel Davis; or at the very least, players that remind me of them. I love how Elway played the game and I want a QB that plays it in a similar fashion. I don't want a boring QB that excels at throwing the 7 yard quick slant. I want a QB that scrambles, runs around and makes big plays. Orton isn't and never will be this type of QB. This is why I personally have big hopes for Tim Tebow because he is this type of QB.

Additionally, I want a running back that dominates the game. I want a running back that not only runs over defenders but has the juice to make them miss in the open field. I want a running back that can get to the secondary and then take the rock to the house. Yes, I want Terrel Davis and not Moreno who is a running back that trips over his own feet more often then not.

I also want a coach that is a member of the Broncos family tree. I don't mind said coach leaving the nest and then returning but I hate the fact my beloved organization bent over like a tranny in prison to take it up the rear from the Patriots. I hate the Patriots almost as much as I hate the Raiders and every time McDs pedigree is mentioned I get reminded that my favorite team's head coach comes from that blood line. It makes me sick.

A lot of home grown Broncos fans feel the same way and this is the reason there is so much dislike for McD and what he brings to the table. Never mind the fact that he blew up one of the brightest young offenses in the league for the likes of Orton, Moreno and Gaffney; it's his blood line that offends me the most.

I'm a homegrown Broncos fan and I think your stance on McDaniels is absurd.

You want to talk about coaching blood lines? You act as if the only guy who ever coached the Broncos with success was Mike Shanahan?

Steve Sewell
09-17-2010, 04:46 PM
Total BS, 100 POST RULE. This dude makes as much sense as some of you that live on here and have a gazillion posts !

Some of you been down on me when I state the obvious as he did.
If you can't see things are not better but worse then take another drink of kool aid.

Just because someone points out a flaw and doesn't pray to the altar of MCD doesn't make them a bad fan. Eyes wide open !

He's a clever troll. You're just an idiot with no perspective or sense of reality.

broncocalijohn
09-17-2010, 05:02 PM
Hilis looked very good this preseason and last week,despite a fumble, was very effective.

good! New guys even on the Hillis bandwagon. Josh needs to step it up. I am behind him but constant losing doesnt help. You still give him time. It has been one season and one game folks. Havent read past the first 4 posts but i have a feeling this is 7 pages or more because of JHNS or go broncos with a little Strafen in the mix.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-17-2010, 05:03 PM
This place is loony toons.

Lev Vyvanse
09-17-2010, 05:05 PM
good! New guys even on the Hillis bandwagon. Josh needs to step it up. I am behind him but constant losing doesnt help. You still give him time. It has been one season and one game folks. Havent read past the first 4 posts but i have a feeling this is 7 pages or more because of JHNS or go broncos with a little Strafen in the mix.

He is broncofan7. Thats all you need.

lostknight
09-17-2010, 05:37 PM
Wow, given that half the posters on this thread are on my ignore list, I can only imagine that I am missing some incredible insightful analysis on why Josh McDaniels isn't really a 8-9 coach, why Hillis is the greatest ever, and why Cutler makes Jeff George look like Peyton Manning.

Bottom line, McDaniels is a loosing coach right now. He can't continue to be a loosing coach. Story over.

WolfpackGuy
09-17-2010, 05:41 PM
God help this place if the Broncos lose Sunday.

I was expecting this team to be 2-0 going into the tough stretch.

steeledude
09-17-2010, 06:30 PM
This.

As for the article, Woody is right. Most of the reasons that people don't like McDaniels have nothing to do with him as a head coach. They basically are: He's not Shanahan, he's a Patriot, he traded Cutler, he traded Hillis, he's too young, and "I just don't like him."

And the hatred for him among his critics is off the charts. It's borderline obsessive and deeply personal.

Basically the haters arguments boil down to just six things huh? Just six? That isn't too many issues with a coach. Don't forget his bad temper, poor drafting ability, his inability to stick with his choices leading to cuts and signings throughout the season, and my favorite--his losing record as our head coach. But that's basically all we haters have.

Go watch Star Trek and quit pretending you know football.

Shoemaker
09-17-2010, 06:32 PM
Shanahan had his offenisve pieces in place. They were extremely young, coming off a productive season, and ready to explode this offensive to extremely high levels.

I can see the merit in this argument, but I'd argue that the offense wasn't ready to explode until Cutler got more intelligent with the football. Its certainly possible that Shanahan could have coached this out of him, but Cutler has shown little improvement in this area throughout his career. Still, Shanny still could have made that offense extremely productive.

Defensively, I was only concerned that Shanahan wouldn't look for a new DC. Our championship teams did not have stellar defenses. They were aggressive and were able to cause turnovers, but they certaintly weren't world beaters. The defense only needed to be improved to middle of the road.

Here's my main bone of contention with your point of view. I just didn't see Shanahan ever getting that defense back to middle of the road, especially if he was going to keep Slowik. When he stated that he wasn't going to fire Slowik and look for a new DC, that was the point where I actually lost faith in Shanahan. You say you were concerned that Shanny wouldn't find a new DC too; wasn't his insistence on keeping Slowik enough to disturb your faith in his ability to rebuild the defense?

As far as losing the SD game in 2008, yeah it sucked. But it was a maturation process for that very young team. I find it funny that people like to point to that game, but then just go ahead and ignore the fact that McD had the most epic collapse in the history of this team, but they cut him slack for that. Go figure.

I can't speak for other Broncos fans here, but I certainly didn't cut McD any slack for our collapse last year. I was furious when we lost the Chiefs game, just as I was furious when we couldn't win one of our last three games in 2008. I suppose I forgave McD for the collapse because he showed a real motivation to fix what caused us to perform so badly down the stretch last year: the defensive line. I only reached a breaking point with Shanahan because he showed no willingness to admit that Slowik was the problem with that defense.

In any case, I can understand why Bowlen fired Shanahan. I don't agree with it, but I can understand his positoin. What I cannot fathom is why he brought in a guy like McDaniels. I don't see anything positive he brings to the table over Shanahan and his attitude just turns off more fans than not.

I can't speak as to Bowlen's point of view, but the reason I was in favor of the McDaniels hiring when it happened is that it seemed like he was the most well-rounded candidate, with experience as a coach or assistant on both sides of the ball. I don't think Bowlen was looking to hire a coach who was unlike Shanahan, but rather one who he liked as much as Shanahan but who would bring a fresh mindset into Denver. Personally, I've never found McDaniels' attitude off-putting, but fans don't perceive coaches in the same way.

I mean you want to talk about defense, which was the only bright spot last year (development wise), and he goes ahead and gets rid of the best DC we've had in here for decades.

Well, I'm sure Nolan deserves a lot of credit for the defensive turnaround. But I don't think he deserves all of it; from what I've heard, McDaniels has preached an attacking, blitzing defense from Day 1 here, whereas Nolan has historically run a more conservative defense, and this is supposedly where they butted heads last year. While I'm not happy Nolan was let go, if this rumor is true I find myself agreeing more with McDaniels' defensive philosophy than Nolan's, and if Martindale will actually run that kind of defense I'll be in favor of that switch. Of course, both Martindale and McDaniels are responsible for keeping the defense at the level Nolan had it at last season.

My comments in bold.

orange&blue87
09-17-2010, 06:36 PM
McDaniels supporters have very little to show for their claims. They have HOPE.
Josh did not inhertit a 2-14 or 5-11 team
-He inherited a 24-24 team in the previous 3 seasons and he has gone 2 & 9 in his last 11 games.

OH NO!!!! That means Shanahan turned a 13-3 team into a 24-24 team.

I like Shanahan, pretty sure most did, but it was time to move on. Shanny's best years were essentially over by the time Elway hung them up, and squeaking into the playoffs only to get blown out does not make a team a success. The team was mostly a .500 (yes technically a 9-7) squad since Elway retired, but 4 trips to the post season and only 1 win are not what this team, the owner, or the fans aspire for.

99 06-10 -- 0-0
00 11-05 -- 0-1 3-21 to Baltimore
01 08-08 -- 0-0
02 09-07 -- 0-0
03 10-06 -- 0-1 10-41 to Indy
04 10-06 -- 0-1 24-49 to Indy
05 13-03 -- 1-1 27-13 over NE, 17-34 to Pitt
06 09-07 -- 0-0
07 07-09 -- 0-0
08 08-08 -- 0-0
--
09 08-08 -- 0-0

It has been a long time since Denver was anything more than a mediocre football team (Being terrific in just one year does not make you elite). To put it another way, Denver has basically been irrelevant since this year's high school seniors were in 1st grade.

Even when they tasted success, it was a very short lived celebration. In the four postseason losses Denver was outscored 36.25-13.5 and the closest loss was 17, throw in the win and it's still only 31.6-16.2. How much better is it to make the playoffs only to get humiliated? I'd personally rather be completely terrible for 2-3 maybe 4 years and then comeback with another 10-15 year run.

Say what you want about being 2-9 over the last 11, it's still 8-9 overall, which I'm guessing is just devastatingly off the 24-24 pace set by the previous regime. Finishing poorly is nothing new for Denver, has been taking place since '06... whether or not that coincides with anything, that's up to you.

06 - 2-5 to close out, 2-3 in Dec.
07 - 2-4 to close out, 2-3 in Dec.
08 - 2-4 to close out, 1-3 in Dec.
09 - 2-6 to close out, 1-4 in Dec.


Point being, Broncos fans, since Elway retired, have had little to show for their claims, it has been year after year of HOPE.

Popps
09-17-2010, 06:39 PM
This place is loony toons.

/thread

theAPAOps5
09-17-2010, 06:40 PM
Yeah Taco but our Oline was light in the Shorts we need the size to get completive. and to do that most Oline players take some time to get into a good place .I see us better next year not so bad now if McD is stinking it up late next year then we can kick him to the curb. not this year IMO .

This is the most rational post I have read in a while in terms of what is going on! Very well stated!

steeledude
09-17-2010, 06:43 PM
Yea, well... as long as you realize that our last Superbowl team was a DIRECT import from the San Francisco 49ers.

100% of our game plan, philosophy and even a few players came from SF. Mike Shanahan said he learned "everything he knew about winning" in SF.


Who ****ing cares where a coach comes from. That's the most ignorant ****ing bull**** I've ever heard in my life.

"well.... see.... I'll like my team... but only if the coach is from a team that I don't dislike."


Seriously, of all the stupid **** written here... that might be in the lead.


The Broncos are MY team. I don't care where McDaniels is from. He's a Bronco now. **** anyone who doesn't like it.

Of all the stupid **** written here--you take the prize on that one. You've got about 27,000 stupid things attached to your name.

Shoemaker
09-17-2010, 06:46 PM
Of all the stupid **** written here--you take the prize on that one. You've got about 27,000 stupid things attached to your name.

Just so I can be clear as to what you're saying here:

You're claiming that the stupidest thing ever posted on the Mane is Popps' statement in this thread that "hating McDaniels because of what team he coached before the Broncos is idiotic?"

Because, uh, how long have you been here?

steeledude
09-17-2010, 06:57 PM
Just so I can be clear as to what you're saying here:

You're claiming that the stupidest thing ever posted on the Mane is Popps' statement in this thread that "hating McDaniels because of what team he coached before the Broncos is idiotic?"

Because, uh, how long have you been here?

Long enough to learn how to read the messages I quote and respond to.

Archer81
09-17-2010, 07:02 PM
Wow, given that half the posters on this thread are on my ignore list, I can only imagine that I am missing some incredible insightful analysis on why Josh McDaniels isn't really a 8-9 coach, why Hillis is the greatest ever, and why Cutler makes Jeff George look like Peyton Manning.

Bottom line, McDaniels is a loosing coach right now. He can't continue to be a loosing coach. Story over.


Whats he loosing?

I hope he gets that losing thing fixed, too.

:Broncos:

ColoradoDarin
09-17-2010, 07:11 PM
Sooooo, I haven't ready the whole thread, but txtebow is the new name for dragster/strafen, right?

Straight to iggy for the retard.

broncocalijohn
09-17-2010, 07:32 PM
He is broncofan7. Thats all you need.

yes i know. You cant change the stripes on that guy.

Rascal
09-17-2010, 09:14 PM
Pete in Edmonton, I think I can answer this question for you better than Woody Paige.

See, Denver has suffered for years with a combination of the two biggest detriments a football fan base can have.

The first, a consistently competitive and successful team. This has taken perspective away from the fan base so that every loss is a disaster and every win short of a prolonged (4 games or more) win streak, a big playoff victory, or a title is ho hum.

The second is an amazingly horrible collection of sports writers and talk radio. Schefter is the crowning achievement of Denver Broncos sports journalists over the last couple decades and his forte is breaking news, not analyzing the game. Meanwhile the likes of Paige, Williamson, Klis, etc. are left to try and explain football to the average fan when it is abundantly clear they themselves don't have a clue about it either. Its the blind being lead around by the blind and stupid. As a result your average Broncos fan really believes that Jay Cutler is a good QB and other such absurdities.

Spoiled, ignorant fans then use the internet to soap box their idiotic opinions. Hence why you see so much venom on the internet about McDaniels.

Woody's response might have a shred of credibility if it wasn't just as bad before McDaniels coached his first game, or immediately after he lost his first game. The only thing that lead to some reduction in hostility was McDaniels winning his first six games in a row.

Funny that Williamson and Schefter have both moved into national markets. I'd be curious to know if two writers of the same have moved to the national markets in a similar time frame.

The fact is this...if this team goes 0-6, which is a very good possibility if they lose on Sunday, they will have gone 2-14 over the last 16. At that point I don't care who the coach is they deserve to be canned. There are no excuses to forgive that.

watermock
09-17-2010, 09:42 PM
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STBumpkin
09-17-2010, 10:58 PM
It's pretty simple...

The vast majority of home grown Denver Broncos fans, not the group that reside out of state, don't like the taste of Patriot soup. I don't, and most, home grown fans don't either.

The Denver Broncos fans are not ignorant football fans. We've had the privilege of watching the BEST quarterback to play the game and arguably, the best running back (of his era) to play as well. As a result, we are aware of what it takes to be elite at both of those positions. This is why most home grown fans do not believe in both Orton or Moreno. Orton is nothing more then a game manager and Moreno will be lucky to reach the heights of Sammy Winder.

Yes, it's true, I want the resurrection of John Elway and Terrel Davis; or at the very least, players that remind me of them. I love how Elway played the game and I want a QB that plays it in a similar fashion. I don't want a boring QB that excels at throwing the 7 yard quick slant. I want a QB that scrambles, runs around and makes big plays. Orton isn't and never will be this type of QB. This is why I personally have big hopes for Tim Tebow because he is this type of QB.

Additionally, I want a running back that dominates the game. I want a running back that not only runs over defenders but has the juice to make them miss in the open field. I want a running back that can get to the secondary and then take the rock to the house. Yes, I want Terrel Davis and not Moreno who is a running back that trips over his own feet more often then not.

I also want a coach that is a member of the Broncos family tree. I don't mind said coach leaving the nest and then returning but I hate the fact my beloved organization bent over like a tranny in prison to take it up the rear from the Patriots. I hate the Patriots almost as much as I hate the Raiders and every time McDs pedigree is mentioned I get reminded that my favorite team's head coach comes from that blood line. It makes me sick.

A lot of home grown Broncos fans feel the same way and this is the reason there is so much dislike for McD and what he brings to the table. Never mind the fact that he blew up one of the brightest young offenses in the league for the likes of Orton, Moreno and Gaffney; it's his blood line that offends me the most.

I want to average at least 2.5 yards every down, 4 downs in a row until we score a TD. It doesn't matter to me if we get there with the 11 best players in the league on Offense, or if we get plays like Stokely's Immaculate Tip every play. Sounds like you want more than wins, you want it to be high powered Offense or nothing at all. The ravens' SB year wouldn't do it for you huh?

ZONA
09-17-2010, 11:15 PM
It's all about perspective isn't it. Woody wants to see that he's lost the last 9 games and ignores the fact he is basically a .500 coach right now. A young new HC who is trying to revamp a roster and a play style. It doesn't happen overnight people. I think McD had a good game plan last week. Sometimes, you have to hold the players accountable too. Like the 2 turnovers, one of them when we were in scoring position. He's got some rookies out there that need a bit of grooming and some key injuries (DOOM, CLADY) that he's trying to overcome as well. Give it a rest already. If we end up something like 6-12 then I will entertain thoughts of thinking Josh may not be NFL HC material. But I've said all along, 3 years. You will know after 3 years if you gotta a good HC or not. Not in 1 or even 2, but 3.

STBumpkin
09-17-2010, 11:27 PM
Seriously, the guy is a Bronco by employment only, not by choice or because this was where he made his bones as a coach. He would have taken this job if it was with the Chiefs, the Raiders, the Seahawks or any other team that chose to HIRE him.

As a result, he brings with him the foul stench of Patriot spooge. His actions, his demeanor, his style and his decisions are all rooted in the Patriot way; there is NO Bronco in him, it's all Patriot.

How can you say this? Haven't you seen the way he nearly looses control with excitement when the team is doing well? How about when we beat the Pats last season, when he went absolutely nuts? You argument is pathetic!

footstepsfrom#27
09-17-2010, 11:46 PM
McDaniels supporters have very little to show for their claims. They have HOPE.
Josh did not inhertit a 2-14 or 5-11 team
-He inherited a 24-24 team in the previous 3 seasons and he has gone 2 & 9 in his last 11 games. Even Raheem Morris has his team playing better football than ours--as evidenced by a week 1 come from behind win with a VERY young team (we are one of the oldest teams in the league in contrast) including a late season win in New Orleans last year. Josh didn't inherit a lemon, he inherited slightly bitter lemonade and has somehow made it into a lemon.
-He has broken up a potent offensive core that went from 20 PPG in 2007 and raised up to 23 PPG in 2008. Without Marshall, expect more 17 PPG outings and abysmal 3rd down conversion percentages.

Josh is essentially performing OJT while running EVERYONE on this MSG board's favorite football franchise directly into the ground. It's okay to be a fan, it's another thing to be delusional about the obvious direction of this franchise. When even wins and losses no longer matter to you, your opinion simply isn't a valid one. Those who continue to support Pat Bowlen by filling his stadium 10 Sunday's a season need to realize that you are complicit in the demise of our favorite franchise. Pat made a mistake by hiring Josh and he needs to expedite the correction of that mistake. The only way to make this message loud and clear to Pat is to affect him in his pocketbook.
I'm a little tired of hearing people on this board trying to dictate to others some kind of arbitrary terms as to what opinions matter and which ones don't based on how one views the direction of the team and it matters not to me whether it's someone insisting you pass somebody's stupid loyalty test or this kind of BS about being part of the problem if you ARE supporting the team.

The fact is, the direction of the team is NOT obvious, and in the beginning of any rebuilding effort wins and losses are NOT the most important issue. Fixing the team's obvious holes with young players is far more important in year 2 of this regime than how many games they win. I want a solid base built here, not another bandaid approach and if it takes a couple extra drafts so be it.

watermock
09-17-2010, 11:58 PM
Shanahan had his offenisve pieces in place. They were extremely young, coming off a productive season, and ready to explode this offensive to extremely high levels.

Defensively, I was only concerned that Shanahan wouldn't look for a new DC. Our championship teams did not have stellar defenses. They were aggressive and were able to cause turnovers, but they certaintly weren't world beaters. The defense only needed to be improved to middle of the road.

As far as losing the SD game in 2008, yeah it sucked. But it was a maturation process for that very young team. I find it funny that people like to point to that game, but then just go ahead and ignore the fact that McD had the most epic collapse in the history of this team, but they cut him slack for that. Go figure.

In any case, I can understand why Bowlen fired Shanahan. I don't agree with it, but I can understand his positoin. What I cannot fathom is why he brought in a guy like McDaniels. I don't see anything positive he brings to the table over Shanahan and his attitude just turns off more fans than not.

I mean you want to talk about defense, which was the only bright spot last year (development wise), and he goes ahead and gets rid of the best DC we've had in here for decades.
.

strafen
09-18-2010, 12:24 AM
Sooooo, I haven't ready the whole thread, but txtebow is the new name for dragster/strafen, right?

Straight to iggy for the retard.You haven't ready
Sounds retarded to me.
BTW, thanks for the honorable mention. Even in silence, I still get to you, don't I? :welcome:

About providing some good football takes to debate about?
Something of substance worth reading?
Feel free to contribute to a more constructive debate before you call others retarded...
Putting someone on ignore because you can't handle what they say, nor having a good argument to counter, is pretty retarded...

Just a thought...

watermock
09-18-2010, 12:39 AM
I'm a little tired of hearing people on this board trying to dictate to others some kind of arbitrary terms as to what opinions matter and which ones don't based on how one views the direction of the team and it matters not to me whether it's someone insisting you pass somebody's stupid loyalty test or this kind of BS about being part of the problem if you ARE supporting the team.

The fact is, the direction of the team is NOT obvious, and in the beginning of any rebuilding effort wins and losses are NOT the most important issue. Fixing the team's obvious holes with young players is far more important in year 2 of this regime than how many games they win. I want a solid base built here, not another bandaid approach and if it takes a couple extra drafts so be it.


//////////wow.

watermock
09-18-2010, 12:54 AM
Total BS, 100 POST RULE. This dude makes as much sense as some of you that live on here and have a gazillion posts !

Some of you been down on me when I state the obvious as he did.
If you can't see things are not better but worse then take another drink of kool aid.

Just because someone points out a flaw and doesn't pray to the altar of MCD doesn't make them a bad fan. Eyes wide open !

Beavis needs to win.

The national media has alltrady written us off!

6-0 are a long time ago.

strafen
09-18-2010, 12:58 AM
He's a clever troll. You're just an idiot with no perspective or sense of reality.Reality? LOL ROFL!
About you being delusional. Take another kool-aid drink, pal!

watermock
09-18-2010, 01:58 AM
Whats he loosing?

I hope he gets that losing thing fixed, too.

:Broncos:

ndeed.

wrong.


TYhis is amusing.

This team sucks.

Hamrob
09-18-2010, 09:21 AM
I'm a little tired of hearing people on this board trying to dictate to others some kind of arbitrary terms as to what opinions matter and which ones don't based on how one views the direction of the team and it matters not to me whether it's someone insisting you pass somebody's stupid loyalty test or this kind of BS about being part of the problem if you ARE supporting the team.

The fact is, the direction of the team is NOT obvious, and in the beginning of any rebuilding effort wins and losses are NOT the most important issue. Fixing the team's obvious holes with young players is far more important in year 2 of this regime than how many games they win. I want a solid base built here, not another bandaid approach and if it takes a couple extra drafts so be it.Wins and Losess are always what matters most. This isn't a non-for-profit business. It's a for profit business that is based on wins and losses. You're getting paid to win football games...however you need to accomplish that...you're getting paid to win. Shanny was fired because he was not winning and if McD doesn't win football games...and soon...he'll be fired too.

I'm not bashing McD...I think he's a smart young football coach who is cutting his teeth in Denver. But, he needs to win or he will be out. Plain and simple.

Dagmar
09-18-2010, 09:28 AM
Beavis needs to win.

The national media has alltrady written us off!

6-0 are a long time ago.

Not the national media?? ESPN, nooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!

MaloCS
09-18-2010, 10:12 AM
How can you say this? Haven't you seen the way he nearly looses control with excitement when the team is doing well? How about when we beat the Pats last season, when he went absolutely nuts? You argument is pathetic!

Dude... like I said earlier... I don't understand your taste for Patriot goo but I fully support your right to swallow it.

ROFL!


Guys like you crack me up... if Tom, Bill or Josh offered you the chance to bow before them and swallow their load you would do it in an instant with the hopes that their magical spunk would afford you similar powers.

ROFL!

bowtown
09-18-2010, 10:34 AM
Dude... like I said earlier... I don't understand your taste for Patriot goo but I fully support your right to swallow it.

ROFL!


Guys like you crack me up... if Tom, Bill or Josh offered you the chance to bow before them and swallow their load you would do it in an instant with the hopes that their magical spunk would afford you similar powers.

ROFL!

You have a weird infatuation with talking about swallowing semen.

Hulamau
09-18-2010, 10:39 AM
Hilis looked very good this preseason and last week,despite a fumble, was very effective.

TJesus another troll ...

Hulamau
09-18-2010, 10:41 AM
I'm a little tired of hearing people on this board trying to dictate to others some kind of arbitrary terms as to what opinions matter and which ones don't based on how one views the direction of the team and it matters not to me whether it's someone insisting you pass somebody's stupid loyalty test or this kind of BS about being part of the problem if you ARE supporting the team.

The fact is, the direction of the team is NOT obvious, and in the beginning of any rebuilding effort wins and losses are NOT the most important issue. Fixing the team's obvious holes with young players is far more important in year 2 of this regime than how many games they win. I want a solid base built here, not another bandaid approach and if it takes a couple extra drafts so be it.

Bingo!

Steve Sewell
09-18-2010, 11:11 AM
Reality? LOL ROFL!
About you being delusional. Take another kool-aid drink, pal!

Ah so you are Jetmeck too? rofl

CEH
09-18-2010, 11:34 AM
Funny that Williamson and Schefter have both moved into national markets. I'd be curious to know if two writers of the same have moved to the national markets in a similar time frame.

The fact is this...if this team goes 0-6, which is a very good possibility if they lose on Sunday, they will have gone 2-14 over the last 16. At that point I don't care who the coach is they deserve to be canned. There are no excuses to forgive that.

This is a very asute point. Almost a must win for Denver. You may be right . 2-14 could be a very possible outcome if they lose Sunday.

I'm not sure how Bowlen feels as Denver has never ever been 2-14 over any stretch of games in the last 25 years. Maybe Bowlen see this as you need to break it down and start back up or he may say 2-14 is 2-14.

Reeves was fired after going 5-11, 12-4 (AFC Championship 10-7 loss vs Buf) and then back to 8-8

cutthemdown
09-18-2010, 11:37 AM
This is a very asute point. Almost a must win for Denver. You may be right . 2-14 could be a very possible outcome if they lose Sunday.

I'm not sure how Bowlen feels as Denver has never ever been 2-14 over any stretch of games in the last 25 years. Maybe Bowlen see this as you need to break it down and start back up or he may say 2-14 is 2-14.

Reeves was fired after going 5-11, 12-4 (AFC Championship 10-7 loss vs Buf) and then back to 8-8


What? That's not what happened at all. Reeves was fired because after he fired Shannahan for designing plays with Elway a power struggle commenced between Elway and Reeves. Elway was ready to say I want out of Denver, trade me etc etc. Bowlen thought to himself well, Elway is the Broncos, Reeves has to go. You make it sound like Bowlen fired him because he went 8-8.

cutthemdown
09-18-2010, 11:39 AM
Of all the stupid **** written here--you take the prize on that one. You've got about 27,000 stupid things attached to your name.

Really?

Hulamau
09-18-2010, 12:50 PM
I can agree that this is HIS team. Unfortunately the results are not what any of us are looking for. I am just unsure how others who watch the same games as I do can come away with a different conclusion about Josh especially considering our downward trend. As the article noted, we are entering expansion level territory regarding our wins versus losses in a cross section of games.

Its called perspective, patience, maturity and wisdom.

We have a very smart young HC who is trying to revamp the entire roster and club med culture here .. that takes a little time. Do you pay any attention to Elway?? He said exactly the same thing about Josh that a lot of us agree with and see as obvious too ..

Elway: "Josh has the right idea and I really like his direction, he just needs to have the time to bring his guys in and turn this thing around." Shanny said the same thing about Josh this summer about needing the time to build the team around his vision (also alluding to what he would like in Washington too). And speaking of the time he needs, it includes the patience to make it through obvious injury issues like we've had this offseason and on the Oline without going ballistic on the team if it struggles early this season.

We also are fully aware he has and will make mistakes along the way and there WILL be adversity to overcome before we are contending for SBs each yaer again. Thats a given with ANY coach. Specially with a young one. But the pay off for patience with a really bright guy like Josh who the has the whole locker room behind him is enormous. It would be 10 to 15 years of stability and winning again, perhaps at the cost of a couple years of losing!

Wisdom and patience is required to recognize that possiblity and allow it to play out.

Kneejerkers like yourself have apparently lost any perspective you might have had due to the instant gratification banality of 'Madden generation win now or DIE' overload.

That kind of attitude wouldnt know the concept of building a team if it bit you in the face. Seems you're too busy counting rear view mirror 'stats' to build your weak argument on to see the bigger picture.

Shanny's teams here had hit a peak .. they weren't going anywhere substantially further without a breath of fresh air ... PERIOD! Best thing in the world that happened for Shanny too. HE needed a break and a fresh start too as did the Broncos.

But people with such a shortsighted numskull attitude, as deplayed in this thread, are exactlly the kind that always want to throw the baby out with the bathwater far too soon, and that lack of foresight and patience often leads to the kind of turnstill decent into Hell that franchises like Detroit have been mired in for decades.

The jury is still out on whether Josh can make it here and pull it off but the need for a change was clear .. the players werent listening to Shannys stale song any longer. We're not sure whether Josh will get the time and good fortune to take us all the way, or if we become a spring board for him to likely win down the road with some other team?


Thank god Bowlen doesnt share your kneejerk myopic 'vision'. 'IF' Josh is going to fail here, its in our own best interest to give him (and all of us) the time to make damn sure its because he was too raw and too young at this stage of his career. Otherwise, we'll just be grooming him for a championship run and a possible Hall of fame career with another team while we likely get stuck in anonamous HC carrosel hell for a decade or more.

Popps
09-18-2010, 12:51 PM
Great post, Hula.