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RunSilentRunDeep
09-16-2010, 06:55 AM
Never used this site before so I can't vouch for the quality of the analysis, but certainly an interesting take.

http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2010/09/15/re-focused-week-1-denver-at-jacksonville/

BRONCOS

The primary cause for poor offensive line play was rookie RT Zane Beadles (-10.4). Protecting on 39 pass plays, Beadles allowed his quarterback to be pressured, hit, or sacked ten times. He allowed pressure at a rate of 26 percent, giving him a very poor (-6.7) pass-block rating. He played all the snaps at right tackle; backup tackle D’Anthony Baptiste played 14 snaps spotting the returning Clady, and while he’s no great shakes you have to wonder how long Beadles’ leash will be before Baptiste gets a shot.

As third-year receiver Eddie Royal (+2.0) figures to be best utilized out of the slot, Brandon Lloyd (+3.4) earned a start at WR across from Jabar Gaffney. Lloyd saw considerable playing time (44 of 65 snaps) and came away with a reception on 5 of his 7 targets. Lloyd showed his penchant for unbelievable catches late in the fourth quarter, as he turned to his back shoulder in the end zone and fully extended for the ball with one hand and would have tied the game for the Broncos, had he been able to get his right foot down.

The most important need for the Denver defense coming into the season was finding somebody to step up and generate a pass rush in Elvis Dumervil‘s absence. OLB Robert Ayers (+3.5) looked like he may help fill the void. Rushing on only 17 snaps, Ayers recorded 4 total pressures, good for a +3.1 pass-rush rating. Ayers did a solid job defending the run in addition to rushing the passer, with 3 of his 4 tackles for stops. Ayers’ sack was the result of a beautiful spin move on OL Kevin Haslem.



JAGUARS

RCB Derek Cox (-5.6) was our second-worst qualifying CB last year. The trend continued in Week 1, as Kyle Orton was able to consistently find, first-down yardage either over the short-intermediate middle of the field or along the left sideline into Cox’s coverage. Orton’s success ultimately led to Cox being benched. He allowed 8 receptions on 9 targets for 140 yards, negating the usual solid play from LCB Rashean Mathis (+3.6). Royal victimized Cox on a curl route in which he stutter-stepped, shook the defender and ran to a 23-yard gain.

RDE Aaron Kampman (+4.6) created pressure so consistently (9 total pressures on 35 rushes) that Orton often had no time but to dump the ball off to a HB or TE for short yardage. Kampman set the tone for the Jaguars’ defense on the first series of the game on a third-and-11 play at the Jacksonville 28. Rookie DRT Tyson Alualu ate Clady up at the line, freeing Kampman up to come around and penetrate through the middle for an 8-yard loss that forced the Broncos into a punting situation.

Second-year WR Mike Thomas (+1.6) could be poised to break out. QB David Garrard will need another target across from Mike Sims-Walker, and Thomas appears to be the man for the job. Thomas was capable as a blocker despite his small size and was Garrard’s most reliable receiver on the day with 6 catches in his 7 targets (+1.6 overall).

epicSocialism4tw
09-16-2010, 07:02 AM
Very good stuff. Thanks for posting.

Man-Goblin
09-16-2010, 07:06 AM
I didn't think Walton was that bad, but I only watched the game once.

BTW, we now have two threads on the main page about pooping and peeing in bed.

Mediator12
09-16-2010, 07:08 AM
I hear all kinds of things about this site. Not sure what to think about it, but I do like the premise of trying to grade players the way coaches do and make a metric out of it.

The analysis seemed credible, but I have not gone back and watched the game again to compare it.

55CrushEm
09-16-2010, 07:10 AM
BTW, we now have two threads on the main page about pooping and peeing in bed.

Ha!

Drek
09-16-2010, 07:11 AM
The analysis on Beadles at RT passes the eyeball test, he clearly struggled against Kampman. A lot of RTs do, so its not an indictment of him as a player long term.

The scoring on Walton I question though. Its hard to rank interior linemen when so much of their play depends on the rest of the line. Case in point, their big negative comes from Walton giving up a sack to Kampman, the LDE. Someone jumping from 4-3 LDE to penetrate a center's gap assignment suggests at least one person missing a pickup other than Walton.

epicSocialism4tw
09-16-2010, 07:12 AM
BTW, we now have two threads on the main page about pooping and peeing in bed.

That's the Spider influence coming through. Ha!

Mediator12
09-16-2010, 07:17 AM
The analysis on Beadles at RT passes the eyeball test, he clearly struggled against Kampman. A lot of RTs do, so its not an indictment of him as a player long term.

The scoring on Walton I question though. Its hard to rank interior linemen when so much of their play depends on the rest of the line. Case in point, their big negative comes from Walton giving up a sack to Kampman, the LDE. Someone jumping from 4-3 LDE to penetrate a center's gap assignment suggests at least one person missing a pickup other than Walton.

Actually, it suggests a poor reaction to a twist stunt by the center and the blocking assignments. Plus, he did struggle against the nose for most of the game, leading to more of an accurate score IMHO.

Kaylore
09-16-2010, 07:19 AM
They don't even mention Walton. Why is he included in the bed wetting accusations?

EDIT NM. I clicked the link.

jhns
09-16-2010, 07:23 AM
I can't click the link from my phone. Does it explain how they score players? The first question I have is what do people count as a pressure? If the QB holds the ball for 10 seconds and then is finally forced to throw, is that a pressure? With Ayers, they say 3 of 4 tackles were for stops. Do they mean tackled for a loss or that 3 of 4 tackles stopped the ball carrier from getting a first down?

bowtown
09-16-2010, 07:41 AM
I can't click the link from my phone. Does it explain how they score players? The first question I have is what do people count as a pressure? If the QB holds the ball for 10 seconds and then is finally forced to throw, is that a pressure? With Ayers, they say 3 of 4 tackles were for stops. Do they mean tackled for a loss or that 3 of 4 tackles stopped the ball carrier from getting a first down?

You have the gayest phone on the planet. Seriously, why do you even come to this site from your phone? All you do is spend the entire time complaining about how you can't view and open stuff.

Old Dude
09-16-2010, 07:48 AM
Sounds about right and no big surprises.

Rookie linemen almost always struggle in their first few games. Making matters worse, Beadles didn't get a lot of reps at RT during the preseason. So no one should be shocked or discouraged at this point.

Likewise, it's entirely to be expected that Ayers would be more effective this year. The question is how much and how much better he can get as time goes on.

I just hope these guys can continue learning and improving without getting set back by injuries. Maybe by season's end, we'll see some cohesion and maturity.

Meanwhile, gotta give some props to Orton for playing as well as he has behind that "work-in-progress."

jhns
09-16-2010, 07:50 AM
You have the gayest phone on the planet. Seriously, why do you even come to this site from your phone? All you do is spend the entire time complaining about how you can't view and open stuff.

Really? I can get on most sites. I bet you can't find one other time I said that. The only thing I ever say is that I can't see the flash videos people respond to my posts with. I don't care if I can see them but I let people know that their response wasn't getting their point across.

gyldenlove
09-16-2010, 07:51 AM
The analysis on Beadles at RT passes the eyeball test, he clearly struggled against Kampman. A lot of RTs do, so its not an indictment of him as a player long term.

The scoring on Walton I question though. Its hard to rank interior linemen when so much of their play depends on the rest of the line. Case in point, their big negative comes from Walton giving up a sack to Kampman, the LDE. Someone jumping from 4-3 LDE to penetrate a center's gap assignment suggests at least one person missing a pickup other than Walton.

I thought Daniels looked pretty poor in pass coverage but good on the run.

tsiguy96
09-16-2010, 07:52 AM
Thomas was targeted 33 percent of the time he ran a pass route (7 of 21), but Sims-Walker was targeted only twice on his 24 pass plays in which he ran a route. Broncos OLB Jason Hunter, who started the game for the Broncos but was substituted for often throughout, pressured Garrard 3 times on only five pass-play snaps.


im sure jason hunter will get more snaps as year progresses.

Chris
09-16-2010, 07:57 AM
Sadly they don't appear to have any analysis on the Seahawks game.

gtown
09-16-2010, 07:58 AM
Nothing surprising here. I think they probably use a scoring system by position using some complex formula a la Football Outsiders.

I expect Beadles and Walton to struggle. Excited that Ayers and Hunter both got noticed out there.

Steve Sewell
09-16-2010, 08:01 AM
Really? I can get on most sites. I bet you can't find one other time I said that. The only thing I ever say is that I can't see the flash videos people respond to my posts with. I don't care if I can see them but I let people know that their response wasn't getting their point across.
http://static.funnyjunk.com/gifs/521ad539_f55a_444e.gif

jhns
09-16-2010, 08:06 AM
http://static.funnyjunk.com/gifs/521ad539_f55a_444e.gif

Exactly. No phone can see this stuff. Bow is just being a little bitch. I complain about not being able to click links all the time and yet, I bet he can't find a single time. Funny stuff.

What is it with people claiming I say stuff? This happens so much? Do I piss you guys off so much that you have a jhns voice in your heads saying random crap all the time? I think a lot of you need some mental evaluations.

Kaylore
09-16-2010, 08:31 AM
Did they do last year's games? I bet Walton is playing at about the same level Wiegman was playing toward the end of the year and Walton's a rookie.

Chris
09-16-2010, 08:39 AM
Jhns?

http://blog.tmcnet.com/blog/rich-tehrani/uploads/angry-phone.jpg

or

Jhns's phone

http://www.mne.psu.edu/simpson/courses/me240/newphone.jpg

jhns
09-16-2010, 08:45 AM
You have the gayest phone on the planet. Seriously, why do you even come to this site from your phone? All you do is spend the entire time complaining about how you can't view and open stuff.

I got it working bow. I just needed to clear my cache. I'm sorry I offended you with my phone error. It is fixed now.

The site didn't answer my questions but does break down their scoring some. It isn't a detailed explanation though becuase they don't want to give out their secrets.

pdaddy
09-16-2010, 11:14 AM
Actually, it suggests a poor reaction to a twist stunt by the center and the blocking assignments. Plus, he did struggle against the nose for most of the game, leading to more of an accurate score IMHO.

I'll have to go back and watch again. I remember watching the replay and thinking that sack wasn't Walton's fault - that LT or LG failed to slide over when Kampman stunted.

cmhargrove
09-16-2010, 02:07 PM
My guess is that Kampman beats most rookies starting in their first game, especially ones who are playing a position they have never played before. I didn't remember his bio - did Beadles ever even play RT in college?

TheReverend
09-16-2010, 02:14 PM
My guess is that Kampman beats most rookies starting in their first game, especially ones who are playing a position they have never played before. I didn't remember his bio - did Beadles ever even play RT in college?

Kampman beats most vets. Before being wasted in a 3-4 last year, his last three 4-3 season stat lines were 9.5 sacks, 12 sacks and 15.5 sacks.

Not giving Beadles help EVERY play (don't necessarily NEED to keep a TE in all the time, but some chips or something every play were necessary, imo) is on the coaches, and it was a horrible, horrible decision.

Spider
09-16-2010, 02:23 PM
dont need a website to tell me the line sucked hind tit ...........more then that they didnt adapt to the Double a gap blitz, stunts , hell didnt even slow down bull rushes .....we needed more screens and misdirection plays to stop the de from crashing the line ..... hell we didnt even get Jagoffs LB caught in any kind of wash ..........

bowtown
09-16-2010, 02:26 PM
dont need a website to tell me the line sucked hind tit ...........more then that they didnt adapt to the Double a gap blitz, stunts , hell didnt even slow down bull rushes .....we needed more screens and misdirection plays to stop the de from crashing the line ..... hell we didnt even get Jagoffs LB caught in any kind of wash ..........

I'm going to start saying "sucked hind tit" all the time.

KevinJames
09-16-2010, 02:54 PM
Broncos OLB Jason Hunter, who started the game for the Broncos but was substituted for often throughout, pressured Garrard 3 times on only five pass-play snaps.

nice, I like what Hunter brings as a pass rusher.

CB Perrish Cox was run-of-the-mill in his first game fielding kicks in the NFL, returning three kickoffs for 62 yards and one punt for 4 yards while fair catching another. Cox also appeared on the defense in some packages, and wasn’t thrown on.

why were people saying he was struggling on Sunday? I didn't see it and apparently he did fine if he wasn't thrown on.

elsid13
09-16-2010, 02:54 PM
The analysis on Beadles at RT passes the eyeball test, he clearly struggled against Kampman. A lot of RTs do, so its not an indictment of him as a player long term.

The scoring on Walton I question though. Its hard to rank interior linemen when so much of their play depends on the rest of the line. Case in point, their big negative comes from Walton giving up a sack to Kampman, the LDE. Someone jumping from 4-3 LDE to penetrate a center's gap assignment suggests at least one person missing a pickup other than Walton.

There were several times in the game when Walton's situational awareness was extremely poor, he left the A gap on the right side wide open for the DT to rush. It was like the coaches told him to double team the UT and he got caught up in the directions rather then just playing.