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SoCalBronco
09-12-2010, 04:34 PM
The other two backer spots are currently pretty weak, but they came to play, today. When we get Doom back, all we will really need is a bit of an upgrade at SILB and this should be an excellent LB corps.

The MVPlaya
09-12-2010, 04:35 PM
Ayers looked great. Really the only one putting pressure on the QB today and that WR screen he made a play on was nice.

epicSocialism4tw
09-12-2010, 04:42 PM
DJ had a mixed bag of a game for me. He takes bad angles sometimes and it puts him behind the play and chasing.

This game confirmed for me why Mayock liked Ayers. Ayers' athletic power is impressive. Its only a matter of him grasping the mental aspect and rounding out his toolbox of skills. He was in the backfield all day and was probably our biggest threat to tilt the balance of power on the LOS in the Broncos' direction on any given play. He could be a really good player.

Popps
09-12-2010, 04:55 PM
DJ had a mixed bag of a game for me. He takes bad angles sometimes and it puts him behind the play and chasing.

This game confirmed for me why Mayock liked Ayers. Ayers' athletic power is impressive. Its only a matter of him grasping the mental aspect and rounding out his toolbox of skills. He was in the backfield all day and was probably our biggest threat to tilt the balance of power on the LOS in the Broncos' direction on any given play. He could be a really good player.

We allowed MJD 100 yards rushing, and allowed about 170 yards passing all day. On paper, not that bad.

The problem was mistakes, big plays and just not nearly enough pass-rush.
I also thought we could have blitzed a few more times.

Rock Chalk
09-12-2010, 05:07 PM
It could be worse. We could have given up 234 yards to some new RB named Arian Thomas like the Colts did.

The MVPlaya
09-12-2010, 05:08 PM
When people said our run defense wasn't good today, I'd like to know what's good and then whats great.

This is MJD.

SoCalBronco
09-12-2010, 05:09 PM
It could be worse. We could have given up 234 yards to some new RB named Arian Thomas like the Colts did.

I was glad to see Kubiak finally beat the Colts.

BroncoInferno
09-12-2010, 05:12 PM
I was glad to see Kubiak finally beat the Colts.

Me, too. Frankly, I wa not at all discouraged by the loss today. I saw a lot of promising sign on both offense and defense. I think we are going to be the kind of team that has a late season run.

McDman
09-12-2010, 05:14 PM
We allowed MJD 100 yards rushing, and allowed about 170 yards passing all day. On paper, not that bad.

The problem was mistakes, big plays and just not nearly enough pass-rush.
I also thought we could have blitzed a few more times.

Perfectly said.

McDman
09-12-2010, 05:15 PM
It could be worse. We could have given up 234 yards to some new RB named Arian Thomas like the Colts did.

Arian Foster.

Cito Pelon
09-12-2010, 05:22 PM
What surpised me was nobody was tackling MJD's legs. You can't tackle a powerhouse like him high, you gotta wrap up his legs. It's pretty dang simple. Dude can carry a DL ten yards on his back, you have to get his legs. It was ridiculous the amount of yards he got with guys hanging all over his shoulders, but nobody went for his legs.

broncogary
09-12-2010, 05:24 PM
Arian Foster.

I think Rock Chalk's been drinking Foster's. :spit:

WolfpackGuy
09-12-2010, 05:33 PM
What surpised me was nobody was tackling MJD's legs. You can't tackle a powerhouse like him high, you gotta wrap up his legs. It's pretty dang simple. Dude can carry a DL ten yards on his back, you have to get his legs. It was ridiculous the amount of yards he got with guys hanging all over his shoulders, but nobody went for his legs.

For real, I was waiting for him to spring free.

He was close a couple times.

bpc
09-12-2010, 05:34 PM
I have not doubt that we're adding a front seven player next year with our 1st round draft pick, which should be pretty high.

DenverBrit
09-12-2010, 05:38 PM
What surpised me was nobody was tackling MJD's legs. You can't tackle a powerhouse like him high, you gotta wrap up his legs. It's pretty dang simple. Dude can carry a DL ten yards on his back, you have to get his legs. It was ridiculous the amount of yards he got with guys hanging all over his shoulders, but nobody went for his legs.

You'd probably have to be on the ground to wrap his legs.

He's a tough assignment......we could use one of those.

Mr.Meanie
09-12-2010, 05:39 PM
ILB has to be our top priority next year. If there's a next year, of course.

bpc
09-12-2010, 05:47 PM
ILB has to be our top priority next year. If there's a next year, of course.

If we're in position to get the DE Clayborn from Iowa, it should be a slam-dunk decision.

epicSocialism4tw
09-12-2010, 05:49 PM
I have not doubt that we're adding a front seven player next year with our 1st round draft pick, which should be pretty high.

Unless we trade it for a second rounder.

tsiguy96
09-12-2010, 05:51 PM
If we're in position to get the DE Clayborn from Iowa, it should be a slam-dunk decision.

great guy, works his ass off in and out of the weight room (lke most iowa players) but i think he fits a 4-3 better.

WolfpackGuy
09-12-2010, 05:53 PM
If we're in position to get the DE Clayborn from Iowa, it should be a slam-dunk decision.

So was picking Dan Williams this April.

Oh, wait...

Kaylore
09-12-2010, 05:53 PM
If Ayers does just that his whole career ill be totally satisfied. Moreno played well to.

Cito Pelon
09-12-2010, 06:04 PM
For real, I was waiting for him to spring free.

He was close a couple times.

Christ, the Bronco defenders were actually hanging on each other instead of simply grabbing MJD's legs.

gtown
09-12-2010, 06:08 PM
Ayers looks good. He would have loads of sacks if he could just get there a split second earlier. Him and Doom next year will be sweet.

bpc
09-12-2010, 06:14 PM
great guy, works his ass off in and out of the weight room (lke most iowa players) but i think he fits a 4-3 better.

Don't agree. Perfect size for a 3-4 and could be a dominant pass rusher in either defense. He has the ability to stack tackles at the point of attack in the running game and control the LOS. We have too many spare-part defenders on our defensive line, we need a stud down there.

McD, feel free to draft away.

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bpc
09-12-2010, 06:16 PM
Ayers looks good. He would have loads of sacks if he could just get there a split second earlier. Him and Doom next year will be sweet.

The best thing that will happen to Ayers this year is experience, and not having to play in Doom's shadow. He gets his reps in, hopefully gets better, and we have both of those bastards coming off the edge in 2011, if they play football in 2011.

Cito Pelon
09-12-2010, 06:17 PM
You'd probably have to be on the ground to wrap his legs.

He's a tough assignment......we could use one of those.

C'mon now, brit, the object is to get the guy down in the fastest manner. With a powerful guy like MJD you have to grab the legs. Dude carried DL guys for 3-4 yards while they were swarming his shoulders. How hard is it to just tackle his legs? Very irritating to see powerful DL guys not playing smart. MJD carried McBean three yards on his back, and instead of simply slipping down him and grabbing his legs, McBean grabs his facemask.

Clockwork Orange
09-12-2010, 06:19 PM
Christ, the Bronco defenders were actually hanging on each other instead of simply grabbing MJD's legs.

Oh yeah, the patented Ian Gold pile jumping method of "tackling." The only thing that was missing was Ian's famous "look at me" fistpumps and antics after someone else actually brought the ball carrier down.

orinjkrush
09-12-2010, 06:19 PM
ahhhh....next year......

snowspot66
09-12-2010, 08:21 PM
I have not doubt that we're adding a front seven player next year with our 1st round draft pick, which should be pretty high.

Probably be in the teens or low 20's like it always is lately.

bpc
09-12-2010, 08:33 PM
Probably be in the teens or low 20's like it always is lately.

Mmmm doubt it. Outside of our talent short-comings, we've been plagued by terrible injuries thus far. Jacksonville is not a good team, and we're now 0-1. I don't see this campaign going well.

Kid A
09-12-2010, 08:39 PM
Arian Foster.

He's going to be a beast. His name has been touted in the Fantasy Football world (expected starter in a good run system, good preseason), and he looks like he will live up to it. A name to watch in an offense that already has one of the league's best weapons at WR.

oubronco
09-12-2010, 08:40 PM
It's only one fuggin game comeon guys

Beantown Bronco
09-12-2010, 08:43 PM
He's going to be a beast. His name has been touted in the Fantasy Football world (expected starter in a good run system, good preseason), and he looks like he will live up to it. A name to watch in an offense that already has one of the league's best weapons at WR.

He actually has a dedicated section at the stadium that has a big banner hanging in the front row. Says "Arian Nation".

Only in Texas.

zdoor
09-12-2010, 09:43 PM
If Ayers does just that his whole career ill be totally satisfied. Moreno played well to.

I agree. They both looked pretty good. Moreno did better than I thought he'd do today.

BlaK-Argentina
09-12-2010, 09:45 PM
I agree. They both looked pretty good. Moreno did better than I thought he'd do today.

Give the guy some room and he'll make something happen. He's exciting but I do think he dances around too much at times.

He also had a great one handed catch today with a guy all over him on a short pass. No one seemed to notice that play cause it went for about 5 yds but it was awesome. :approve:

Popps
09-12-2010, 09:47 PM
Mmmm doubt it. Outside of our talent short-comings, we've been plagued by terrible injuries thus far. Jacksonville is not a good team, and we're now 0-1. I don't see this campaign going well.

Wow, man... sort of a surprise. You're generally an optimistic fan and a real supporter of the team.

The MVPlaya
09-12-2010, 09:50 PM
wow, man... Sort of a surprise. You're generally an optimistic fan and a real supporter of the team.

:spit:

epicSocialism4tw
09-12-2010, 10:22 PM
He actually has a dedicated section at the stadium that has a big banner hanging in the front row. Says "Arian Nation".

Only in Texas.

People only understand sarcasm and irony in Texas?

snowspot66
09-12-2010, 10:26 PM
Mmmm doubt it. Outside of our talent short-comings, we've been plagued by terrible injuries thus far. Jacksonville is not a good team, and we're now 0-1. I don't see this campaign going well.

They're not a bad team either. They'll probably go 7-9 or so again.

bpc
09-12-2010, 10:42 PM
Wow, man... sort of a surprise. You're generally an optimistic fan and a real supporter of the team.

So I should feign believe that this team will finish 14-2 after losing two of it's best players in the offseason along with all the holes it has to appear a better fan to you? You truly are delusional. I'm just keeping the expectations real. Jacksonville is going to be a 4th place team in the AFC South, and we just lost to them. It's hard to contain all of my excitement about how good this team will be.

R8R H8R
09-12-2010, 10:47 PM
Mmmm doubt it. Outside of our talent short-comings, we've been plagued by terrible injuries thus far. Jacksonville is not a good team, and we're now 0-1. I don't see this campaign going well.

That's what people said about the Bengals last year; a game we really should have lost if not for a miracle play. We played a lot worse in that game than we did in this one, imo. Then we strung off 5 more wins before the collapse.

I'm actually optimistic after this game. We aren't screwed yet unless we lose next week, then I'll worry.

DivineLegion
09-13-2010, 02:16 AM
I think our biggest problem is we cant contain running backs who take it to the outside. With three staring linebackers weighing in at 270+ (Yes I know I was giddy about this before) we don't have the speed to contain guys who take it outside. This concerns the hell out of me...seriously what are we going to do when we play teams like the Texans, Titans, Chiefs, Raiders, Chargers, Ravens, and 49ers? Oh wait thats 10 games left on our schedule.

We have a glaring hole on defense that leaves us vulnerable to athletic TEs and sub 4.5 running backs.

Don't get me wrong DJ and Robert did have good games but we can't continue like this. Ayers was shody in pursuit at times, and Hagan is worthless covering TEs.

baja
09-13-2010, 02:51 AM
....Hagan is worthless covering TEs.

that has to be fixed for sure.

Jesterhole
09-13-2010, 06:41 AM
....Hagan is worthless covering TEs.

that has to be fixed for sure.

Hagan looked worse than any defender out there today. Very slow, he was constantly losing his guy in traffic and letting him make a play.

ELEVATION
09-13-2010, 06:43 AM
....Hagan is worthless covering TEs.

that has to be fixed for sure.

why they even have a TED backer trying to cover a TE is beyond me......and no blitzes this game??? WTF

Darcel needs to get back quick and replace hill because him and barrett who we no longer have are the only 2 guys i have seen in denver the last 2 years that can cover TE's effectively......

Br0nc0Buster
09-13-2010, 06:45 AM
Haggan was dissapointing
Ayers played well tho

our run defense does look better, but as was said earlier we have to really work on those outside runs
we lose containment an awful lot

Rashomon
09-13-2010, 09:09 AM
That's what people said about the Bengals last year; a game we really should have lost if not for a miracle play. We played a lot worse in that game than we did in this one, imo. Then we strung off 5 more wins before the collapse.

I'm actually optimistic after this game. We aren't screwed yet unless we lose next week, then I'll worry.

I would be willing to bet any amount you like that Jacksonville does not win their division this year like Cincinnati did last year.

You are right about next weeks game. If Denver loses to Seattle at home, they are staring at a possible 0-5 start with Indy, @TN and @Balt coming up next.

Beantown Bronco
09-13-2010, 09:18 AM
The Broncos don't lose home openers. They just don't.

In the last 15 years, we are 14-1 in home openers, with the one loss coming in that God awful 1999 season.

bowtown
09-13-2010, 09:20 AM
Hagan looked worse than any defender out there today. Very slow, he was constantly losing his guy in traffic and letting him make a play.

I had a dream last night that Hagan and McBean were cut today.

Broncoman13
09-13-2010, 12:01 PM
Apparently McBean thought facemask and legs were synonymous???

What surpised me was nobody was tackling MJD's legs. You can't tackle a powerhouse like him high, you gotta wrap up his legs. It's pretty dang simple. Dude can carry a DL ten yards on his back, you have to get his legs. It was ridiculous the amount of yards he got with guys hanging all over his shoulders, but nobody went for his legs.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
09-13-2010, 12:04 PM
What surpised me was nobody was tackling MJD's legs. You can't tackle a powerhouse like him high, you gotta wrap up his legs. It's pretty dang simple. Dude can carry a DL ten yards on his back, you have to get his legs. It was ridiculous the amount of yards he got with guys hanging all over his shoulders, but nobody went for his legs.

Agree with you, but it's difficult to get low enough on a short stubby guy like that and still maintain any leverage. That's what makes guys like him and Mike Turner so difficult to tackle. Aside from their speed, in a pile up, getting to their legs is a challenge.

Tombstone RJ
09-13-2010, 12:06 PM
So I should feign believe that this team will finish 14-2 after losing two of it's best players in the offseason along with all the holes it has to appear a better fan to you? You truly are delusional. I'm just keeping the expectations real. Jacksonville is going to be a 4th place team in the AFC South, and we just lost to them. It's hard to contain all of my excitement about how good this team will be.

cry me a river. Its sucktard fans like yourself that gives real Broncos fans a bad name.

Go root for the skins, bears and phins.

Spider
09-13-2010, 12:08 PM
Agree with you, but it's difficult to get low enough on a short stubby guy like that and still maintain any leverage. That's what makes guys like him and Mike Turner so difficult to tackle. Aside from their speed, in a pile up, getting to their legs is a challenge.

yep .. corners and safteys are the only ones that can do that on a consistent basis with a runner like MDJ ........

LRtagger
09-13-2010, 12:32 PM
What surpised me was nobody was tackling MJD's legs. You can't tackle a powerhouse like him high, you gotta wrap up his legs. It's pretty dang simple. Dude can carry a DL ten yards on his back, you have to get his legs. It was ridiculous the amount of yards he got with guys hanging all over his shoulders, but nobody went for his legs.

And if you cant get his legs, grab the facemask

Requiem
09-13-2010, 03:05 PM
I agree with BPC. The defensive line needs upgrading -- big time.

This class has a lot of talent on the defensive front and I think there are easily 4-5 players that would be quality first-round selections.

Clayborn or Heyward would be great 3-4 DE's prospects. Then you have one of SoCal's boys in Bailey who could fill that void as well.

Flip back to California and you have Jordan who already has the experience and fits the bill as a 3-4 DE. I think he is a better prospect than Jared Odrick and he was a late-first rounder this past year.

Does Marcell Dareus come out? How about Jared Crick? Derek Wolfe? All of those guys would be quality prospects. Dareus probably a top ten guy, Crick in the middle-to-late part of the first round with Wolfe being a top snag early in round two.

I think it's probable those juniors do come out, and if so you have 8 legitimate top two round talents at need positions for us.

I haven't done much research on the nosetackle guys, but it seems that Powe and Ellis are the only two prospects being mentioned really early. There is that kid from Baylor, but apparently he has weight issues like Terrence Cody.

We've done a good job acquiring talent at skill positions, the OL and especially the secondary. Where does that leave us? In my eyes, it is time to upgrade the defensive front seven big time. NT, DE and LB. All the linebacker positions. Anybody. Anyone. Pass-rushers on the outside, people who have the ability to help stop the run on the inside. (Most everyone has been singing this song for years, regardless of the scheme)


Even with Dumervil (healthy) next year and hopefully an ascended Ayers -- that will not be enough. I think D.J. will be just fine, but we can always do better.

I look at a lot of the other 3-4 teams around the league and they have excellent corps. Depth to boot. Players who can fill in for their starters and rarely miss a beat. I don't think we have that, and I would like to see that upgraded.

As far as I remember, this is what we're set up with going into April thus far:

1
2
2
3
4
7

That is good enough to grab us a few DL, a few backers and addtionally -- another youngster at the running back position. I could come up with a tentative mock, but it is really far too early.

Just some of my thoughts. . .

Chris
09-13-2010, 03:11 PM
Interesting Req. If I want to get a glimpse of some of these kids... which teams should I be looking at?

Br0nc0Buster
09-13-2010, 03:24 PM
Interesting Req. If I want to get a glimpse of some of these kids... which teams should I be looking at?

Iowa, Alabama, Ohio State, Cal, Ole Miss

Chris
09-13-2010, 03:25 PM
Cheers.

The Joker
09-13-2010, 03:25 PM
Right now I'd say our biggest needs going into next season will be...

DE - This needs no explanation.
NT - Williams is a stop-gap solution, Fields is a FA after this year and is also not starter material. We need to add some sort of long term solution at the position.
RB - Not a starter, but a big play threat speedster who can move around and play a little receiver too, ideally. We really lack speed on our offense, someone like Noel Devine would be a great addition.
S - Renaldo Hill is nothing special, while Dawkins might well be gone after this year. McBath if he's healthy looks like an NFL starter to me, he needs a partner though.

OT could also become a big need, depending on how Harris' season plays out. If he has more injury issues this year then we might have to move on, sadly.

Requiem
09-13-2010, 03:30 PM
Interesting Req. If I want to get a glimpse of some of these kids... which teams should I be looking at?

Yep, what Buster said.

SENIORS

Clayborn = Iowa
Heyward = Ohio State
Bailey = Miami
Jordan = Cal
Powe (NT) = Ole Miss

JUNIORS

Dareus = Alabama
Crick = Nebraska
Wolfe = Cincinatti

Those would be the guys I'd be looking out for!

Drek
09-13-2010, 03:32 PM
So I should feign believe that this team will finish 14-2 after losing two of it's best players in the offseason along with all the holes it has to appear a better fan to you? You truly are delusional. I'm just keeping the expectations real. Jacksonville is going to be a 4th place team in the AFC South, and we just lost to them. It's hard to contain all of my excitement about how good this team will be.
You do know that quality of opponent is far from a 100% accurate predictor in the NFL right? For example:

Tampa Bay 20 AT New Orleans Saints 17 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200912270nor.htm)

No way New Orleans could win a title after losing to the lowly Bucs at home right?

So far this week home teams are 11-3. The three road teams two should have been ass kickings and finished within a touchdown of going the other way (AZ at STL, MIA at BUF).

The Jags have historically given us fits. They had the peripheral advantages (start time and location). We have a starting LT who is obviously not in game shape yet and our starting RT was replaced by a rookie who had played almost not RT at all in college or pre-season.

Still the only reason we lost that game is because we beat ourselves with poor execution and mental errors.

And you act as though the Jags are a scrub squad. They were 7-9 last year despite dropping five of their last six. Hell, they swept this year's week one darlings the Houston Texans last season.

They're a solid team who showed up ready to play. We were clearly the more talented team on the field and took the win away from ourselves. This loss is not an indictment of the entire 2010 season.

Now we see what this team is actually made of. They got out-willed by a team they should have beaten to open the season. No more puffed up chests and easy going attitudes like we saw heading into the bye 6-0 last year. Guys better be showing up with chips on their shoulder ready to play. That is the real referendum on this club, how they play the next several weeks, not a week one match-up.

DivineLegion
09-13-2010, 03:33 PM
Yep, what Buster said.

SENIORS

Clayborn = Iowa
Heyward = Ohio State
Bailey = Miami
Jordan = Cal
Powe (NT) = Ole Miss

JUNIORS

Dareus = Alabama
Crick = Nebraska
Wolfe = Cincinatti

Those would be the guys I'd be looking out for!

You can add Steinkooler to that list of seniors.

fontaine
09-13-2010, 03:48 PM
They're a solid team who showed up ready to play. We were clearly the more talented team on the field and took the win away from ourselves. This loss is not an indictment of the entire 2010 season.

I agree that the team is better than what they showed and the OL should improve with Clady and Harris but where are the strengths on offense?

We're not going to run the ball effectively along the interior with two guys learning on the job. Harris and Clady are the guys that are the road graders but that largely depends on them being healthy which isn't going to happen for a few weeks.

Our TEs aren't real pass catching threats and that leaves us with trying to flood the secondary with 4 WRs hoping that the OL can buy enough time for Orton to make the right read to the open guy when our WRs aren't built to outmuscle defenders for yards after the catch.

Chris
09-13-2010, 03:49 PM
Do you think "game shape" is the issue with Clady? Or is this a bigger issue with his knee not being back to 100%?

HILife
09-13-2010, 03:52 PM
Oh yeah, the patented Ian Gold pile jumping method of "tackling." The only thing that was missing was Ian's famous "look at me" fistpumps and antics after someone else actually brought the ball carrier down.

aaaahhh, good times.

Durango
09-13-2010, 05:04 PM
Williams and Ayers are solid talents, but the rest of that LB corp absolutely sucks. Haggan, Hunter, Mays and Woodyard? Bahahahaha .. and dropping Haggan in coverage? What defensive genius thought that was a grand plan? Seattle will be asking God for Denver to repeat those defensive schemes.

If Williams has to make all the defensive plays again, he will be injured by week 6. Same goes for Bailey, and then the real carnage will unfold.

I hope Andre Brown gets healthy enough to play fairly soon. He's a nice alternative to Sammy, er, Knowshon. Brown couldn't be much more plodding and pedestrian, that's for certain.

Drek
09-13-2010, 07:51 PM
Do you think "game shape" is the issue with Clady? Or is this a bigger issue with his knee not being back to 100%?

I do. The Broncos medical staff has drawn a lot of fire for misdiagnosis and Clady has had his knee checked out a second party before if I recall. Pulling him for a couple plays and then putting him back in seems like a pretty definitive statement that he was just getting gassed.

SoCalBronco
09-13-2010, 11:28 PM
I do. The Broncos medical staff has drawn a lot of fire for misdiagnosis and Clady has had his knee checked out a second party before if I recall. Pulling him for a couple plays and then putting him back in seems like a pretty definitive statement that he was just getting gassed.

I'm glad to hear we're getting medical opinions checked out by a second party now (I'm not being sarcastic, I mean it, props to Josh). In fact, I would prefer for them to go a step further and completely cut Greek out of the process, entirely.

baja
09-13-2010, 11:39 PM
I'm glad to hear we're getting medical opinions checked out by a second party now (I'm not being sarcastic, I mean it, props to Josh). In fact, I would prefer for them to go a step further and completely cut Greek out of the process, entirely.

TD, Al Wilson and marshall agree with this post

SoCalBronco
09-14-2010, 12:03 AM
I agree with BPC. The defensive line needs upgrading -- big time.

This class has a lot of talent on the defensive front and I think there are easily 4-5 players that would be quality first-round selections.

Clayborn or Heyward would be great 3-4 DE's prospects. Then you have one of SoCal's boys in Bailey who could fill that void as well.

Flip back to California and you have Jordan who already has the experience and fits the bill as a 3-4 DE. I think he is a better prospect than Jared Odrick and he was a late-first rounder this past year.

Does Marcell Dareus come out? How about Jared Crick? Derek Wolfe? All of those guys would be quality prospects. Dareus probably a top ten guy, Crick in the middle-to-late part of the first round with Wolfe being a top snag early in round two.

I think it's probable those juniors do come out, and if so you have 8 legitimate top two round talents at need positions for us.

I haven't done much research on the nosetackle guys, but it seems that Powe and Ellis are the only two prospects being mentioned really early. There is that kid from Baylor, but apparently he has weight issues like Terrence Cody.

We've done a good job acquiring talent at skill positions, the OL and especially the secondary. Where does that leave us? In my eyes, it is time to upgrade the defensive front seven big time. NT, DE and LB. All the linebacker positions. Anybody. Anyone. Pass-rushers on the outside, people who have the ability to help stop the run on the inside. (Most everyone has been singing this song for years, regardless of the scheme)


Even with Dumervil (healthy) next year and hopefully an ascended Ayers -- that will not be enough. I think D.J. will be just fine, but we can always do better.

I look at a lot of the other 3-4 teams around the league and they have excellent corps. Depth to boot. Players who can fill in for their starters and rarely miss a beat. I don't think we have that, and I would like to see that upgraded.

As far as I remember, this is what we're set up with going into April thus far:

1
2
2
3
4
7

That is good enough to grab us a few DL, a few backers and addtionally -- another youngster at the running back position. I could come up with a tentative mock, but it is really far too early.

Just some of my thoughts. . .

Allen Bailey is a huge monster, but I don't know how he would fit in at 3-4 DE. He's never played in a 3-4...well, at least not in college. Shannon has him at 4-3 DE this year, although he's oversized for that role...personally, I think he would be best at 4-3 DT. I was impressed by Heyward this past weekend.

Requiem
09-14-2010, 12:12 AM
SoCal,

I based my projection on his size, thinking that he at least has that to play. I'm not sure what his biggest strengths are, but I think he would have potential at a 5 tech in a 3-4. Just a pure projection based on his monster frame. Do you think he has the strength at the POA to hold up against the run?

SoCalBronco
09-14-2010, 12:19 AM
SoCal,

I based my projection on his size, thinking that he at least has that to play. I'm not sure what his biggest strengths are, but I think he would have potential at a 5 tech in a 3-4. Just a pure projection based on his monster frame. Do you think he has the strength at the POA to hold up against the run?

Yeah...he's pretty good against the run. Bailey has great strength.

Very few people **** with Allen Bailey. Even Sebastian the Ibis doesn't want anything to do with Allen Bailey:

http://www.gifsoup.com/view1/1094023/bailey-is-motivated-o.gif

Requiem
09-14-2010, 12:21 AM
Chuck Norris bows to Allen Bailey.

bpc
09-14-2010, 01:34 AM
cry me a river. Its sucktard fans like yourself that gives real Broncos fans a bad name.

Go root for the skins, bears and phins.

Point made Tombstone, i should root for another team because i'm not going to act like this team has a chance to go 13-3. (Pssssss, it doesn't by the way)

Denver has a legitimate chance to go 0-6 to start the season. This great from the standpoint that we can have a chance to draft some major building blocks (that is if we don't trade away the pick for a slow, short, backup CB) but it's going to be painful to watch... but watch I will, because that's what I do.

But you rock on, you're a better fan than I.

bpc
09-14-2010, 01:36 AM
Yep, what Buster said.

SENIORS

Clayborn = Iowa
Heyward = Ohio State
Bailey = Miami
Jordan = Cal
Powe (NT) = Ole Miss

JUNIORS

Dareus = Alabama
Crick = Nebraska
Wolfe = Cincinatti

Those would be the guys I'd be looking out for!

The best thing about this draft coming up is that DL is going to be DEEEP! We need to find some starters instead of all the spare-parts we've been throwing out there. We should have some shots. I love Clayborne. That's my boy. There's a bunch that I like outside of him though, starting with Marcel from Bama. Dude is a beast.

bpc
09-14-2010, 01:40 AM
You do know that quality of opponent is far from a 100% accurate predictor in the NFL right? For example:

Tampa Bay 20 AT New Orleans Saints 17 (http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200912270nor.htm)

No way New Orleans could win a title after losing to the lowly Bucs at home right?

So far this week home teams are 11-3. The three road teams two should have been ass kickings and finished within a touchdown of going the other way (AZ at STL, MIA at BUF).

The Jags have historically given us fits. They had the peripheral advantages (start time and location). We have a starting LT who is obviously not in game shape yet and our starting RT was replaced by a rookie who had played almost not RT at all in college or pre-season.

Still the only reason we lost that game is because we beat ourselves with poor execution and mental errors.

And you act as though the Jags are a scrub squad. They were 7-9 last year despite dropping five of their last six. Hell, they swept this year's week one darlings the Houston Texans last season.

They're a solid team who showed up ready to play. We were clearly the more talented team on the field and took the win away from ourselves. This loss is not an indictment of the entire 2010 season.

Now we see what this team is actually made of. They got out-willed by a team they should have beaten to open the season. No more puffed up chests and easy going attitudes like we saw heading into the bye 6-0 last year. Guys better be showing up with chips on their shoulder ready to play. That is the real referendum on this club, how they play the next several weeks, not a week one match-up.

Save your breath, or fingers. Whatever you prefer. I know how the NFL works. This team will have a chance to go 0-6 out the gate this year. @Jacksonville, Seattle (looked impressive this week), Indy, @Tennessee, Baltimore, NYJ.

It's gonna get worse before it gets better. It's ok though. I'm willing to wait for McD's QB coaching skills to perform miracles on our roster and turn Tebow into a stud. He gets a few years to work his magic. As Tim goes, so goes McD.

Hulamau
09-14-2010, 01:41 AM
It could be worse. We could have given up 234 yards to some new RB named Arian Thomas like the Colts did.

Touche! :wiggle:

ELEVATION
09-14-2010, 03:57 AM
I agree with BPC. The defensive line needs upgrading -- big time.

This class has a lot of talent on the defensive front and I think there are easily 4-5 players that would be quality first-round selections.

Clayborn or Heyward would be great 3-4 DE's prospects. Then you have one of SoCal's boys in Bailey who could fill that void as well.

Flip back to California and you have Jordan who already has the experience and fits the bill as a 3-4 DE. I think he is a better prospect than Jared Odrick and he was a late-first rounder this past year.

Does Marcell Dareus come out? How about Jared Crick? Derek Wolfe? All of those guys would be quality prospects. Dareus probably a top ten guy, Crick in the middle-to-late part of the first round with Wolfe being a top snag early in round two.

I think it's probable those juniors do come out, and if so you have 8 legitimate top two round talents at need positions for us.

I haven't done much research on the nosetackle guys, but it seems that Powe and Ellis are the only two prospects being mentioned really early. There is that kid from Baylor, but apparently he has weight issues like Terrence Cody.

We've done a good job acquiring talent at skill positions, the OL and especially the secondary. Where does that leave us? In my eyes, it is time to upgrade the defensive front seven big time. NT, DE and LB. All the linebacker positions. Anybody. Anyone. Pass-rushers on the outside, people who have the ability to help stop the run on the inside. (Most everyone has been singing this song for years, regardless of the scheme)


Even with Dumervil (healthy) next year and hopefully an ascended Ayers -- that will not be enough. I think D.J. will be just fine, but we can always do better.

I look at a lot of the other 3-4 teams around the league and they have excellent corps. Depth to boot. Players who can fill in for their starters and rarely miss a beat. I don't think we have that, and I would like to see that upgraded.

As far as I remember, this is what we're set up with going into April thus far:

1
2
2
3
4
7

That is good enough to grab us a few DL, a few backers and addtionally -- another youngster at the running back position. I could come up with a tentative mock, but it is really far too early.

Just some of my thoughts. . .


This team needs Cameron Heyward or Clayborn.....in rd 1 or Jordan in early rd 2......at NT kendrick ellis in rd 2 makes sense with 2 picks there we can use the other 2nd and 3rd rd picks on LB's..........NT calss sucks this year for sure and powe is most likely going to buffalo in the top eight picks....lol

Requiem
09-14-2010, 11:40 AM
If Powe goes to Buffalo in the top eight picks, I'll laugh.

DivineLegion
09-14-2010, 11:42 AM
Save your breath, or fingers. Whatever you prefer. I know how the NFL works. This team will have a chance to go 0-6 out the gate this year. @Jacksonville, Seattle (looked impressive this week), Indy, @Tennessee, Baltimore, NYJ.

It's gonna get worse before it gets better. It's ok though. I'm willing to wait for McD's QB coaching skills to perform miracles on our roster and turn Tebow into a stud. He gets a few years to work his magic. As Tim goes, so goes McD.

Sadly enough despite all the doom and gloom surrounding this post this is a very real possibility. Heres to Harris and Clady getting healthy! :thumbsup:


I was kind of hoping Josh would put it all out there against the Jags. We needed to approach that game as a must win with our up coming schedule. Josh said about a month ago that he thought this team would start to really click and win games about week six...gee I wonder why. If we could have won three out of our first six we would have had a real legit shot at winning the AFC West. Now its almost impossible to see this season turning in to anything special.

Requiem
09-14-2010, 12:01 PM
It is also a possibility that we can go 5-1 in the first six games. He really wasn't saying much.

ELEVATION
09-21-2010, 01:40 AM
If Powe goes to Buffalo in the top eight picks, I'll laugh.

i would to now.....Buffalo now will Have the first pick in the NFL draft this year.....the smart thing for them? get a f'in Qb already....haha


powe is looking more like he will go somewhere around where dan williams went..early to late 20's


Dareus will probally be the top prospect 3-4 DL player of the board