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gunns
09-10-2010, 06:24 AM
I agree with Farrar much more than Chase. Look at the prediction for overrated players towards the bottom.


After 213 long nights of waiting, professional football is finally back. To prepare for the upcoming 2010 NFL season, we at Shutdown Corner have made a bunch of predictions that we'll undoubtedly be disowning by Thanksgiving:

AFC East

Doug Farrar: New England Patriots. The Jets have the far better running game and defense, but this is a quarterback-driven league above all, and I'm not totally on board with the whole Mark Sanchez(notes) Idea just yet. Randy Moss(notes) will have a monster year as he tries to re-establish his value on the open market, and that will be enough

Chris Chase: New England Patriots. In every season since 2001, the Patriots have had the best or tied for the best record in the AFC East. No amount of contract squabbling or defensive worries is making me think this year is any different.

AFC North

Farrar: Baltimore Ravens. Their front seven is the deciding factor in this division. I think they've done enough to make the offense work at a 25-points-per-game level, and that's fine; this isn't a team that will need to win a lot of shootouts.

Chase: Pittsburgh Steelers. Last year the bounces didn't go the way of the Steelers. Things in the NFL have a way of evening out.

AFC South

Farrar: Houston Texans. They've been like the Arizona Cardinals before they finally broke through -- the little team that could (and should). This is the year I think they do. They will have to at least split with the Colts, and they'll do that, and this will give them the confidence they need to overcome their red-zone woes and finally break through.

Chase: Indianapolis Colts. Somehow, I don't think the Super Bowl loser curse is going to haunt the greatest quarterback of our generation.

AFC West

Farrar: San Diego Chargers. Honestly, not one team in this division impressed me, and Oakland may actually have more talent from 1-53 than San Diego does at this point. But the Chargers still have Philip Rivers(notes), and enough receiver talent to make it without Vincent Jackson(notes). However, a series of iffy moves by general manager A.J. Smith will have this team's window closing ... fast.

Chase: Oakland Raiders. There's going to be at least one crazy division winner (see 2008 Miami Dolphins) so why not Oakland? A solid defense and a competent quarterback can go a long way in a division like the West.

NFC East

Farrar: New York Giants. Logic tells the prognosticators that the Eagles will take this thing, but I'm not drinking the Kevin Kolb(notes) Kool-Aid yet. And the Cowboys' offensive line is just asking for trouble. The Redskins are in radical rehaul mode, so I have to give this division to the Giants by default.

Chase: New York Giants. The Eagles' offense is about as intimidating as the French army. The Cowboys still have Wade Phillips as coach. And the Redskins? Don't get me started on the Redskins.

NFC North

Farrar: Green Bay Packers. Last year, the Vikings spanked the Packers all over the place in their two meetings. This year, Aaron Rodgers(notes) gets his revenge on all the goobers who won't let him forget that he's not Brett Favre(notes) by taking the division and leading his team to the Super Bowl.

Chase: Green Bay Packers. Up until three seconds ago, I had completely forgotten about that 51-45 wild-card game the Packers lost to the Cardinals last year. With the Vikings' collapse as imminent as tomorrow's sunrise, Aaron Rodgers and the Pack should cruise in the North.

NFC South

Farrar: New Orleans Saints. People seem to be acting as if this team was a fluke last year, and the ones who aren't doing that seem to discount them because they're angry that the Saints denied Pope Brett I the Super Bowl that was apparently his birthright. But Sean Payton is still the best coach in football, and that will be worth a game's lead over the Atlanta Falcons when the division's story is told.

Chase: New Orleans Saints. The Saints were the best team in football last year and not just because they won the Super Bowl. Remember that 13-0 start? Run out all the stats you want about post-Super Bowl malaise, but New Orleans is still the king until another team proves otherwise.

NFC West

Farrar: San Francisco 49ers. Both Western Division winners will be so by default, but I do like what Mike Singletary has going on defense and in the running game. I'm just a bit too concerned about Alex Smith and a slight defensive regression to mark them as a deep postseason contender.

Chase: Seattle Seahawks. Imagine what Pete Carroll can do when players get paid over the table.

AFC Wild Card

Farrar: New York Jets, Indianapolis Colts

Chase: Houston Texans, Baltimore Ravens

NFC Wild Card

Farrar: Atlanta Falcons, Minnesota Vikings

Chase: Chicago Bears, Dallas Cowboys

Super Bowl

Farrar: Baltimore Ravens over Green Bay Packers

Chase: Indianapolis Colts over Dallas Cowboys

MVP:

Farrar: QB Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers

Chase: QB Peyton Manning(notes), Indianapolis Colts

Underrated Player

Farrar: DT/DE Justin Smith(notes), San Francisco 49ers

Chase: LB London Fletcher(notes), Washington Redskins

Underrated Team

Farrar: San Francisco 49ers

Chase: Chicago Bears

Overrated Player

Farrar: WR Brandon Marshall(notes), Miami Dolphins

Chase: QB Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers

Overrated Team

Farrar: Arizona Cardinals

Chase: Philadelphia Eagles

Story We're Tired of Hearing About

Farrar: Favre and Haynesworth -- take your pick.

Chase: Anybody's contract

Story We Haven't Heard Enough About

Farrar: How the owners are trying to use the 18-game season to increase their profits and lowball the players at the same time.

Chase: That 366 days from now we might not have a season to preview.

Offensive Rookie of the Year

Farrar: RB Ryan Mathews(notes), San Diego Chargers

Chase: RB Ryan Mathews, San Diego Chargers

Defensive Rookie of the Year

Farrar: DT Ndamukong Suh(notes), Detroit Lions

Chase: S Earl Thomas(notes), Seattle Seahawks

Offensive Player of the Year

Farrar: QB Aaron Rodgers, Green Bay Packers

Chase: RB Chris Johnson, Tennessee Titans

Defensive Player of the Year

Farrar: CB Darrelle Revis(notes), New York Jets

Chase: CB Nnamdi Asomugha, Oakland Raiders

Comeback Player of the Year

Farrar: RB LaDainian Tomlinson(notes), New York Jets

Chase: WR Wes Welker(notes), New England Patriots

loborugger
09-10-2010, 07:52 AM
Couple of thoughts

1. On the Raiders winning the west - if Campbell is a competent QB, then why did the Skins let him go?

2. A Nelson Muntz 'HA HA' at Brandon Marshall being the most over rated player.

3. Both writers expect a CB to win the DPOY. Its been a while, but didnt Champ light up everyone in 05 (or was it 06?), and he was denied a DPOY because 'CBs cant win it' and 'CBs affect only a small part of the game?' While Revis and Asomugha are both very talented and exceptional players, what are they going to do that Champ didnt do 4/5 years ago?

Steve Sewell
09-10-2010, 07:54 AM
Couple of thoughts

1. On the Raiders winning the west - if Campbell is a competent QB, then why did the Skins let him go?

2. A Nelson Muntz 'HA HA' at Brandon Marshall being the most over rated player.

3. Both writers expect a CB to win the DPOY. Its been a while, but didnt Champ light up everyone in 05 (or was it 06?), and he was denied a DPOY because 'CBs cant win it' and 'CBs affect only a small part of the game?' While Revis and Asomugha are both very talented and exceptional players, what are they going to do that Champ didnt do 4/5 years ago?

Regarding #3, it was also because he's a Bronco.

gunns
09-10-2010, 10:15 AM
I loved the part on the NFC East, Wade Phillips is the coach. So true.

Flex Gunmetal
09-10-2010, 10:19 AM
Link? May post this elsewhere.

gunns
09-10-2010, 01:35 PM
Link? May post this elsewhere.

Took me forever to refind it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Shutdown-Corner-predicts-the-2010-NFL-season?urn=nfl-268502

Kaylore
09-10-2010, 01:43 PM
I don't understand the thread title "disowned before Thanksgiving."

baja
09-10-2010, 02:20 PM
Took me forever to refind it.

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Shutdown-Corner-predicts-the-2010-NFL-season?urn=nfl-268502

Don't you have a history search in your browser?

Rohirrim
09-10-2010, 02:29 PM
I don't understand the thread title "disowned before Thanksgiving."

It means by week eight, these guys will have forgotten they wrote this. It's an affliction known as "Sport's Journalist Memory."

UberBroncoMan
09-10-2010, 02:36 PM
3. Both writers expect a CB to win the DPOY. Its been a while, but didnt Champ light up everyone in 05 (or was it 06?), and he was denied a DPOY because 'CBs cant win it' and 'CBs affect only a small part of the game?' While Revis and Asomugha are both very talented and exceptional players, what are they going to do that Champ didnt do 4/5 years ago?

Charles Woodson won it last year.

Naggle Nole
09-10-2010, 03:26 PM
Charles Woodson won it last year.

Which is absolute **** if you ask me
Not because Woodson wasn't necessarily deserving of it, but there has never been a statistical year for a CB like Champ in '05
Even if you aren't a stat guy, just pop in the film and you can see him beast all over the field
He even had those Sportscenter plays that everyone loves so d*mn much with the Brady interception and runback (although at that point I think the DPOY was already awarded)

Champ not winning DPOY that year was about as criminal as Suh not winning the Heisman last year

Politics ::)

Rohirrim
09-10-2010, 03:27 PM
Which is absolute **** if you ask me
Not because Woodson wasn't necessarily deserving of it, but there has never been a statistical year for a CB like Champ in '05
Even if you aren't a stat guy, just pop in the film and you can see him beast all over the field
He even had those Sportscenter plays that everyone loves so d*mn much with the Brady interception and runback (although at that point I think the DPOY was already awarded)

Champ not winning DPOY that year was about as criminal as Suh not winning the Heisman last year

Politics ::)

Suh not getting the Heisman is about the biggest travesty I've ever seen.