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The MVPlaya
09-07-2010, 09:01 PM
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d81a5410b/article/report-redskins-negotiating-with-titans-to-deal-haynesworth

The Washington Redskins and the Tennessee Titans are in discussions about a trade of disgruntled defensive lineman Albert Haynesworth, people with knowledge of the negotiations told The Associated Press.

The sources spoke to The AP on Tuesday on condition of anonymity because the talks are confidential.


The Redskins signed Haynesworth away from the Titans on a seven-year, $100 million contract in 2009 as a free agent, and the lineman accepted a $21 million bonus in April. It has been a nonstop battle of wills between Redskins coach Mike Shanahan and Haynesworth since then.

Titans coach Jeff Fisher was asked about the team's interest Tuesday night during his weekly radio show on WGFX-FM 104.5 The Zone, and while he noted that Haynesworth is under contract with the Redskins, he didn't deny the possibility of bringing back the lineman.

"If they're willing to look into the possibility of dealing him, of course we'll listen to them," Fisher said. "We listen to those types of things almost every day.

"This just happens to be a big story because of the circumstances and the situation that arose with the offseason payment and then of course with all the drama associated with the offseason conditioning and the conditioning test and everything. Our focus right now is on (Sunday's season opener against) the Raiders."

Redskins general manager Bruce Allen told The Washington Post's Rick Maese that the team's stance hasn't changed: It isn't trying to trade Haynesworth.

Redskins quarterback Donovan McNabb also discussed Haynesworth on a radio show and said the team can't win without the lineman.

"He plays a major part on our defense, and everyone knows that," McNabb told ESPN980. "It's just unfortunate what's been going on and how everything has transpired, but that's the game of football, and I think he'll handle it the right way."

ESPN first reported the teams were discussing a possible Haynesworth deal.

Shanahan was hired in January to coach the Redskins, and Haynesworth didn't participate in the team's offseason program while lobbying for a trade because he didn't want to play nose tackle in the new 3-4 defense. Shanahan gave Haynesworth a chance to leave, but the tackle stayed and accepted the bonus in his contract.


Haynesworth skipped a mandatory minicamp and was fined. In training camp, Shanahan required Haynesworth to pass a conditioning test before practicing, which the lineman didn't do until the 10th day of camp. The tackle seemed to be accepting his role in the 3-4 defense by the third preseason game.

Then Shanahan made Haynesworth play almost the entire game Thursday in the preseason finale against the Arizona Cardinals when the regular starters had the night off. Haynesworth played 49 of 55 snaps and was on the field in the final minutes.

His status for Sunday night's opener against the Dallas has been in question, with Shanahan saying only that he will play the best players ready to play.

The Titans have missed Haynesworth's presence in the middle of their line, slumping to 31 sacks without him helping collapse offensive lines. He managed just four sacks with the Redskins himself, a big dip from his 8.5 sacks in 2008 with Tennessee.

And the Titans know him well, having drafted Haynesworth in the first round in 2002. They used the franchise tag to keep Haynesworth in 2008 to help keep him focused, and the deal they eventually offered in 2009 was nowhere near what he received from the Redskins during the first hours of free agency.

The former University of Tennessee lineman has 28 career sacks and six forced fumbles in his first eight NFL seasons.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

UberBroncoMan
09-07-2010, 09:04 PM
This would be HUGE for the Titans... and bad for us since we play them this year.

broncswin
09-07-2010, 09:08 PM
This would be HUGE for the Titans... and bad for us since we play them this year.

exactly what I was thinking^5

theAPAOps5
09-07-2010, 09:15 PM
He got his contract he won't play like he once did...... I hope!

baja
09-07-2010, 09:18 PM
Haynesworth got paid and he clearly does not play for the love of the game, he will never be the player he was in contract year, ever

Missouribronc
09-07-2010, 09:19 PM
I hate when teams get rid of talent. The Redskins management is so worthless.

rmsanger
09-07-2010, 09:47 PM
he might be more than motivated to play again with the Titans. He probably wants to prove everyone wrong that he is an all pro DT just not for Shanny or his "system".

~Crash~
09-07-2010, 10:14 PM
I hate when teams get rid of talent. The Redskins management is so worthless.

yep one player that does not fit a new system..you old wise oneHa!

Taco John
09-07-2010, 10:17 PM
he might be more than motivated to play again with the Titans. He probably wants to prove everyone wrong that he is an all pro DT just not for Shanny or his "system".


That seems to be his MO. He coasted until he had something to prove to earn his contract, and suddently had 6 and 8 sack seasons.


http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Sapp-takes-Haynesworth-apart-one-play-at-a-ti?urn=nfl-261620

Clockwork Orange
09-07-2010, 11:56 PM
A failed high dollar Dan Snyder signing?!? I shant believe it!

Ugly Duck
09-08-2010, 12:17 AM
Shanahan gave Haynesworth a chance to leave, but the tackle stayed and accepted the bonus in his contract.



Well, there's a surprise. "Thanks for the $ - bye!"

broncocalijohn
09-08-2010, 12:20 AM
I would like to hear all the McDaniels haters that couldnt get their nose out of Shanny's Ass crack to now come to the coaches defense on not getting along with star players already on the team.

SoCalBronco
09-08-2010, 12:39 AM
I would like to hear all the McDaniels haters that couldnt get their nose out of Shanny's Ass crack to now come to the coaches defense on not getting along with star players already on the team.

I'm not sure why you think its an analogous situation. I do not blame McDaniels for the trade of Marshall because the current CBA permitted only very limited recovery by way of morals clauses so there was no way to properly insure the risk. With regard to Cutler, its clearly distinguishable from the situation with Haynesworth. Cutler voluntarily appeared at the facility prior to OTA's to work and learn the system (a complete opposite of the Haynesworth situation). It then got out that the team was trying to trade him, they lied about it and character information on Cutler was anonymously released re: drinking and other things right at the time when Denver was getting pummeled in the PR war over the Cassel trade. It probably infuriated him even more that Denver was now apparently resorting to bush league tactics to fend off the PR issues. Cutler then went to the facility to try and hash things out but apparently Bowlen would not meet with him and he was allowed to meet with only McDaniels (at which point, he wanted his agent in there and thus Josh's little assistant, Xanders, also attended). The meeting went poorly, but Jay indicated he would appear and participate in the mandatory mini-camp. He did, however, apparently ignore phone calls from Bowlen and perhaps others and was traded, although the case can be made that Bowlen was not entitled to have his phone calls returned since he had an oppurtunity to meet Jay face to face and discuss issues with him, but he declined to walk a couple hundred feet.

In Haynesworth's case, Shanny did not come in and make the first mistake. Nor was malicious personal information leaked by the organization at the outset, although he was called lazy on occasion in the offseason. It was Haynesworth who failed to lift a finger the entire offseason (unlike Jay, who came in ahead of time). Haynesworth also pre-emptively dissed his role in the defensive scheme and also verbally blasted Shanahan on various occasions. I'm not sure how these situations are remotely close. Nice try, though.

Bronco Yoda
09-08-2010, 12:45 AM
Shanny and Fisher are very good friends. Interesting...

footstepsfrom#27
09-08-2010, 12:53 AM
I'm not sure why you think its an analogous situation. I do not blame McDaniels for the trade of Marshall because the current CBA permitted only very limited recovery by way of morals clauses so there was no way to properly insure the risk. With regard to Cutler, its clearly distinguishable from the situation with Haynesworth. Cutler voluntarily appeared at the facility prior to OTA's to work and learn the system (a complete opposite of the Haynesworth situation). It then got out that the team was trying to trade him, they lied about it and character information on Cutler was anonymously released re: drinking and other things right at the time when Denver was getting pummeled in the PR war over the Cassel trade. It probably infuriated him even more that Denver was now apparently resorting to bush league tactics to fend off the PR issues. Cutler then went to the facility to try and hash things out but apparently Bowlen would not meet with him and he was allowed to meet with only McDaniels (at which point, he wanted his agent in there and thus Josh's little assistant, Xanders, also attended). The meeting went poorly, but Jay indicated he would appear and participate in the mandatory mini-camp. He did, however, apparently ignore phone calls from Bowlen and perhaps others and was traded, although the case can be made that Bowlen was not entitled to have his phone calls returned since he had an oppurtunity to meet Jay face to face and discuss issues with him, but he declined to walk a couple hundred feet.

In Haynesworth's case, Shanny did not come in and make the first mistake. He didn't try and trade the guy and lie about it. Nor was malicious personal information leaked by the organization at the outset, although he was called lazy on occasion in the offseason. It was Haynesworth who failed to lift a finger the entire offseason (unlike Jay, who came in ahead of time). Haynesworth also pre-emptively dissed his role in the defensive scheme and also verbally blasted Shanahan on various occasions. I'm not sure how these situations are remotely close. Nice try, though.
Well Cutler never snatched a helmet off an opponent and stomped him in the face either. Albert is a fat lazy POS who happens to be the best or near best DT in the game unfortunately. I don't blame Shanny for establishing from the get-go who is boss, and I don't blame McD for that either, just for how some of that was handled.

oubronco
09-08-2010, 07:26 AM
Don't mess with the little man upstairs

tsiguy96
09-08-2010, 07:28 AM
cant believe people STILL try to justify keeping jay cutler on this team. i realize most of the whiners are gone and realize he will never be beyond mediocre, but still, theres a small group who will never forgive/forget, even though they just happen to be the ones who are wrong.

edit: think i figured it out. people want, even need a reason, to still hate mcdaniels, after everything they originally hated him for turned out to be wrong. so they grasp and claw at the original reasons, knowing that there is no true rational logic to hating him so bad, and they hang on and on and on. because they dont WANT to like the coach.

BigPlayShay
09-08-2010, 07:32 AM
SoCal, The Jay drinking rumors were out long before the trade talks arose. The rumors just became more pronounced at that time.

go_broncos
09-08-2010, 07:42 AM
I'm not sure why you think its an analogous situation. I do not blame McDaniels for the trade of Marshall because the current CBA permitted only very limited recovery by way of morals clauses so there was no way to properly insure the risk. With regard to Cutler, its clearly distinguishable from the situation with Haynesworth. Cutler voluntarily appeared at the facility prior to OTA's to work and learn the system (a complete opposite of the Haynesworth situation). It then got out that the team was trying to trade him, they lied about it and character information on Cutler was anonymously released re: drinking and other things right at the time when Denver was getting pummeled in the PR war over the Cassel trade. It probably infuriated him even more that Denver was now apparently resorting to bush league tactics to fend off the PR issues. Cutler then went to the facility to try and hash things out but apparently Bowlen would not meet with him and he was allowed to meet with only McDaniels (at which point, he wanted his agent in there and thus Josh's little assistant, Xanders, also attended). The meeting went poorly, but Jay indicated he would appear and participate in the mandatory mini-camp. He did, however, apparently ignore phone calls from Bowlen and perhaps others and was traded, although the case can be made that Bowlen was not entitled to have his phone calls returned since he had an oppurtunity to meet Jay face to face and discuss issues with him, but he declined to walk a couple hundred feet.

In Haynesworth's case, Shanny did not come in and make the first mistake. Nor was malicious personal information leaked by the organization at the outset, although he was called lazy on occasion in the offseason. It was Haynesworth who failed to lift a finger the entire offseason (unlike Jay, who came in ahead of time). Haynesworth also pre-emptively dissed his role in the defensive scheme and also verbally blasted Shanahan on various occasions. I'm not sure how these situations are remotely close. Nice try, though.

Just be happy that cutler is not there.
I don't care who is at fault..you don't want that type of mentality leading the team.
He is now bears problem.

Ray Finkle
09-08-2010, 08:11 AM
SoCal, The Jay drinking rumors were out long before the trade talks arose. The rumors just became more pronounced at that time.

ding ding ding.....

BroncoInferno
09-08-2010, 08:19 AM
SoCal, The Jay drinking rumors were out long before the trade talks arose. The rumors just became more pronounced at that time.

Exactly. SoCal blaming the club for leaking "slander" about Cutler is absoute unsubstantiated BS. There is zero evidence of that...as far as I can tell, SoCal just made it up. Like you said, posters on this very board had been commenting on Jay's excessive drinking and partying long before McD was even a gleam in Bowlen's eye.

jhns
09-08-2010, 08:21 AM
cant believe people STILL try to justify keeping jay cutler on this team. i realize most of the whiners are gone and realize he will never be beyond mediocre, but still, theres a small group who will never forgive/forget, even though they just happen to be the ones who are wrong.

edit: think i figured it out. people want, even need a reason, to still hate mcdaniels, after everything they originally hated him for turned out to be wrong. so they grasp and claw at the original reasons, knowing that there is no true rational logic to hating him so bad, and they hang on and on and on. because they dont WANT to like the coach.

LOL

Sure, McDaniels has proven people like me wrong. The offense getting much worse and the team not improving just shows McDaniels was right! Every SB team that has been built, starts with getting rid of a couple young pro bowlers. Giving away talent is a great way to become the most talented team!

LOL

Wow... McDaniels has proven everyone wrong! The Broncos are back! We have been waiting a long time to get a .500 team!

tsiguy96
09-08-2010, 08:25 AM
LOL

Sure, McDaniels has proven people like me wrong. The offense getting much worse and the team not improving just shows McDaniels was right! Every SB team that has been built, starts with getting rid of a couple young pro bowlers. Giving away talent is a great way to become the most talented team!

LOL

Wow... McDaniels has proven everyone wrong! The Broncos are back! We have been waiting a long time to get a .500 team!

are you even serious anymore? youre such a weiner its incredible. you realize he hasnt even entered year 2 of his coaching career right?

jhns
09-08-2010, 08:28 AM
are you even serious anymore? youre such a weiner its incredible. you realize he hasnt even entered year 2 of his coaching career right?

So then how has he proven everyone wrong?

Cool Breeze
09-08-2010, 08:28 AM
the Titans know him well, having drafted Haynesworth in the first round in 2002. They used the franchise tag to keep Haynesworth in 2008 to help keep him focused, and the deal they eventually offered in 2009 was nowhere near what he received from the Redskins during the first hours of free agency.

I hope the Titans make it worth their while and make the Redskins pay the bulk of the contract to take the attitude POS of their hands. Yeah he can play , but only when he wants. The Redskins pull this crap almost every year with free agents. Just make them pay out the a$$ to be aspirin for this headache.

tsiguy96
09-08-2010, 08:33 AM
So then how has he proven everyone wrong?

who said he has? how has he proven you right that hes teh worst coach ever, when he only has one season in the books and it was a .500 season?

again, you are easily the biggest weiner on this board, and i dont even know if you realize it.

jhns
09-08-2010, 08:38 AM
think i figured it out. people want, even need a reason, to still hate mcdaniels, after everything they originally hated him for turned out to be wrong.

Who said he had proven us wrong? You did.... Why do you think I asked you how he has proven us wrong? What you are now claiming is correct. He hasn't proven anyone right or wrong yet. He has a single .500 season.

jhns
09-08-2010, 08:40 AM
biggest weiner on this board, and i dont even know if you realize it.

I didn't realize that but how exactly do you know how big everyone is? This also makes me feel sorry for many of you.

~Crash~
09-08-2010, 08:44 AM
I would like to hear all the McDaniels haters that couldnt get their nose out of Shanny's Ass crack to now come to the coaches defense on not getting along with star players already on the team.

see this is the broke record ... and guess what it is youHa!

CEH
09-08-2010, 08:54 AM
who said he has? how has he proven you right that hes teh worst coach ever, when he only has one season in the books and it was a .500 season?

again, you are easily the biggest weiner on this board, and i dont even know if you realize it.

Unitl Josh does something other than .500 you can't really argue pro or con about the direction of the team. It's different (pro) for sure but the record currently stands the same as the last 3 years. (con)

We really need to see this year with his system in place where we stand. Are we moving forward, standing still or going backwards.

I'd like to think forward because I want Josh to succeed mainly to provide stability back in the organization.

DarkHorse30
09-08-2010, 10:17 AM
Shanahan messed up with Haynesworth. What's funny to me is that he often pampers his vets during training camp, but decided to be badass against Haynesworth - dumb.

Tombstone RJ
09-08-2010, 10:19 AM
Shanny paid Haynesworth $21m so he could trade him... talk about fail.

oubronco
09-08-2010, 10:25 AM
Shanny paid Haynesworth $21m so he could trade him... talk about fail.

I think he thought it might motivate the Fat piece of chit

Tombstone RJ
09-08-2010, 10:38 AM
I think he thought it might motivate the Fat piece of chit

Haynesworth is laughing all the way to the bank...

bronco militia
09-08-2010, 10:42 AM
Shanahan messed up with Haynesworth. What's funny to me is that he often pampers his vets during training camp, but decided to be badass against Haynesworth - dumb.

you left out the part about Haynesworth telling the media he doesn't like the 3-4, announcing he was skipping offseason workouts, and asking to be traded all before OTA's and training camp.

Tombstone RJ
09-08-2010, 10:48 AM
you left out the part about Haynesworth telling the media he doesn't like the 3-4, announcing he was skipping offseason workouts, and asking to be traded all before OTA's and training camp.

To Shanny's credit, Hayensworth had the option to be traded before he signed the $21m bonus. Once he signed that bonus Shanny expected him to participate in all the football functions.

Haynesworth took the money anyway but has not kept his part of the bargain and now the Skins are looking to trade him.

There are times when the player has more control than the organization and there are times when the organization has more control than the player when it comes to money. Vincent Jackson is a good example of a player with no leverage and Haynesworth is an example of a player with a lot of leverage. Too bad Shanny does not know the difference.

Cito Pelon
09-08-2010, 11:47 AM
I'm not sure why you think its an analogous situation. I do not blame McDaniels for the trade of Marshall because the current CBA permitted only very limited recovery by way of morals clauses so there was no way to properly insure the risk. With regard to Cutler, its clearly distinguishable from the situation with Haynesworth. Cutler voluntarily appeared at the facility prior to OTA's to work and learn the system (a complete opposite of the Haynesworth situation). It then got out that the team was trying to trade him, they lied about it and character information on Cutler was anonymously released re: drinking and other things right at the time when Denver was getting pummeled in the PR war over the Cassel trade. It probably infuriated him even more that Denver was now apparently resorting to bush league tactics to fend off the PR issues. Cutler then went to the facility to try and hash things out but apparently Bowlen would not meet with him and he was allowed to meet with only McDaniels (at which point, he wanted his agent in there and thus Josh's little assistant, Xanders, also attended). The meeting went poorly, but Jay indicated he would appear and participate in the mandatory mini-camp. He did, however, apparently ignore phone calls from Bowlen and perhaps others and was traded, although the case can be made that Bowlen was not entitled to have his phone calls returned since he had an oppurtunity to meet Jay face to face and discuss issues with him, but he declined to walk a couple hundred feet.

In Haynesworth's case, Shanny did not come in and make the first mistake. Nor was malicious personal information leaked by the organization at the outset, although he was called lazy on occasion in the offseason. It was Haynesworth who failed to lift a finger the entire offseason (unlike Jay, who came in ahead of time). Haynesworth also pre-emptively dissed his role in the defensive scheme and also verbally blasted Shanahan on various occasions. I'm not sure how these situations are remotely close. Nice try, though.

Apparently you have your own PR war to wage also.

ColoradoDarin
09-08-2010, 12:29 PM
Shanahan is tearing that team apart!!




PS You don't trade Pro Bowl DTs!!!

jhns
09-08-2010, 12:39 PM
Shanahan is tearing that team apart!!




PS You don't trade Pro Bowl DTs!!!

Shanahan traded a pro bowl DT?

bronco militia
09-08-2010, 12:49 PM
get it right.....you don't trade Pro bowl QB's and WR's


:devil::devil::devil:

ColoradoDarin
09-08-2010, 12:53 PM
get it right.....you don't trade Pro bowl QB's and WR's

oh, my bad!

good team building 'skins, pay someone $21MM and trade em!

jhns
09-08-2010, 12:59 PM
oh, my bad!

good team building 'skins, pay someone $21MM and trade em!

The skins paid someone $21 mil and traded them?

ColoradoDarin
09-08-2010, 01:01 PM
That's twice that you've posted right after me, I hope you're not trying to engage me in conversation.... This message is hidden because jhns is on your ignore list (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

jhns
09-08-2010, 01:04 PM
That's twice that you've posted right after me, I hope you're not trying to engage me in conversation.... This message is hidden because jhns is on your ignore list (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/profile.php?do=ignorelist).

Then why are you responding? I'm not looking for a response. I am just laughing at your stupidity.

You aren't very good at this ignore thing.

Merlin
09-08-2010, 01:34 PM
To Shanny's credit, Hayensworth had the option to be traded before he signed the $21m bonus. Once he signed that bonus Shanny expected him to participate in all the football functions.

Haynesworth took the money anyway but has not kept his part of the bargain and now the Skins are looking to trade him.
This is what happens when teams treat POS athletes as adults. Shanny told him to take the bonus ONLY if he was willing to play 3-4. It is quite a sad state of affairs when we cannot treat "men" as adults. Damn if you do and damn if you don't.

ColoradoDarin
09-08-2010, 01:37 PM
This is what happens when teams treat POS athletes as adults. Shanny told him to take the bonus ONLY if he was willing to play 3-4. It is quite a sad state of affairs when we cannot treat "men" as adults. Damn if you do and damn if you don't.

I don't know why anyone would have expected him to act any other way. His play last year showed that all he was after was a large payday and once he got that, he was going to coast. Someone like this is going to pass on $21MM owed to him? No way.

OABB
09-08-2010, 01:40 PM
putting haynesworth at NT is a stupid move anyways. the guy is a dominant 4-3 dt, not a 3-4 nt. I am not agreeing with the douchenozzle albert, and I love shanny, but this is a mistake imo.

Kaylore
09-08-2010, 01:47 PM
If Shanahan had better people skills this wouldn't have happened. Jim Zorn wouldn't have traded Hayneworth!!1!1!! Now the front office is leaking information that he's lazy just smear him!!1!1!! WTF!?!?!? Shanahan doens't no how to run teh team!!1!!!!

Merlin
09-08-2010, 01:57 PM
I don't know why anyone would have expected him to act any other way.
Because I'm guessing most adults who get a $21 Million payday and know before the fact what is expected for it, will perform the task and not whine about it Or maybe in my world people are more accountable for their actions...who knew that could be said of lawyers :P

ColoradoDarin
09-08-2010, 02:00 PM
Because I'm guessing most adults who get a $21 Million payday and know before the fact what is expected for it, will perform the task and not whine about it Or maybe in my world people are more accountable for their actions...who knew that could be said of lawyers :P

Right, that would be most people, but he had already showed the opposite last year.

ColoradoBuff
09-08-2010, 02:24 PM
No Albert Haynesworth trade this week

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5547447

ScottXray
09-08-2010, 03:10 PM
Theres also the fact that a player on the roster at the start of the season has his contract solidified. Same reason so many cuts weren't picked up by various teams. Sign him after the first game means Washington will be liable for the bulk of the contract ....