Rival Fans on the Orange Mane [Archive] - The Orange Mane

-Slap-

01-13-2004, 07:42 PM

Today's question is which AFC West rival has the more knowledgable fans represented here on the Orange Mane?

Granted, the overall talent pool we're talking about here is thin. Very thin.

Oakland: Reluctantly, I must cast my vote with the Raiders. A few of their fans here seem to understand the game of football, even if their choice of favorite team couldn't be worse. Now, obviously I'm not talking about Patch, who's more like a crazy old uncle we keep locked in the attic. Besides, it seems clear he's a closet Bronco fan anyway. TheNextStep has consistently displayed good (if biased) football takes. Njbil and Poclman's musings also seem to be worth the time spent reading them.

Kansas City: The Chiefs are a tougher call. Before the oh-so-predictable choke job, their fans all had their peckers up and were pretty much insufferable across the board. Now that they've endured the ritual humiliation, they're much more managable. Still, I find even the best among them to be pretty boring.

San Diego: I would critique the Chargers fans if I could think of one.

:Broncos:

Spider

01-13-2004, 07:44 PM

During the Offseason they are all ok , but during the season , they are all Idiots :devil:

Moon§hiner

01-13-2004, 07:47 PM

Chargers fans by far.....they had enough sense not to come back talking smack after September... :)

jhat01

01-13-2004, 07:49 PM

Chargers. The lesser of the evil.

Broncoman13

01-13-2004, 07:50 PM

TNS consistently posts good takes. For his point of view alone I have to give the edge to the Faid.

I agree with Slap though, the talent pool is thin... especially when you're talking about the Chargers. Anyone remember Shogun? Dude honestly believed the Chargers were going to have the best defense in the West! What a joke!

Mile High Shack

01-13-2004, 07:50 PM

well last year I would've said Chiefs...but all the idiot rednecks (especially one from TX) showed up and blew that theory out of the water.

jhat01

01-13-2004, 07:50 PM

Nah..TNS has some good takes.

watermock

01-13-2004, 07:51 PM

TSN is solid, Patch is just in a bad mood.

The average Chef fan is out slopping hogs tonight. Hey, isn't that Greg Robinson rooting for a bit of corn in the manure?

01-13-2004, 07:52 PM

I abstain....

Garcia Bronco

01-13-2004, 07:54 PM

Since there are no Charger Fans...they would be more knowledgable by default.

-Slap-

01-13-2004, 07:56 PM

I abstain....

:(

-Slap-

01-13-2004, 07:57 PM

I made sure it wasn't an anonymous poll because I believe the Cheap fans would have attempted to stuff the ballot box.

01-13-2004, 07:58 PM

:(

I abstained because I don't read much of other fans posts....The ones I do catch for the most part are mostly trash talk....

watermock

01-13-2004, 08:00 PM

Greg Robinson going into custody.

http://www.hypocrites.com/pictures/misc/busted.jpg

-Slap-

01-13-2004, 08:00 PM

I abstained because I don't read much of other fans posts....The ones I do catch for the most part are mostly trash talk....
I hear you, Bo. I'm just trying to stir things up a bit.

I'm curious to see who Taco votes for....... ;D

01-13-2004, 08:03 PM

I hear you, Bo. I'm just trying to stir things up a bit.

I'm curious to see who Taco votes for....... ;D

I will allow though that TSNs are head and shoulders above any other rival fans,that I've seen......Just can't bring myself to check that raider button... :wiggle:

Broncoman13

01-13-2004, 08:08 PM

I will allow though that TSNs are head and shoulders above any other rival fans,that I've seen......Just can't bring myself to check that raider button... :wiggle:

Stop it!!! You're making me feel dirty now!

01-13-2004, 08:18 PM

Stop it!!! You're making me feel dirty now!

HA!........You did it huh..........LMAO......

Raider Bill

01-13-2004, 08:27 PM

If we were all here swaping spit, it wouldnt be much fun would it?. Note I did NOT vote so the results would be legit but am touched to be named in the first post.

baja

01-13-2004, 08:28 PM

I will allow though that TSNs are head and shoulders above any other rival fans,that I've seen......Just can't bring myself to check that raider button... :wiggle:

I know what ya mean but the fade was my choice mainly because of njbill

Broncoman13

01-13-2004, 08:28 PM

You really can't argue with TNS when it comes to football. The dude knows his chit! Kind of like trying to argue with a woman, might as well not even get started!!!

I'm praying this post doesn't alert the brigade!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Taco John

01-13-2004, 09:16 PM

As much as I'd like to vote for Chiefs fans here, I can't. Even on the Chiefs own board, the best football takes often come from the Raiders fans (though many of them disappeared once the Raiders went south). But on this board, TNS, njbil, and Maximum come to mind as Raiders fans who know their stuff...

Rock Chalk

01-13-2004, 09:17 PM

TNS and RR come through with solid takes.

ROY and RINGLEADER lead the pack amongst the Chef fans.

rustyfari and shogun are the only two chargeless fans I can think of and of the two rustyfari has better takes.

Based on a whole though i gotta go with the Fade. Poclman, RR and TNS (along with Patch when he isn't PMSing) and recently njbil have some solid football takes and that pretty much sums up most of the Fade contingent here.

I honestly believe ROY and RINGLEADER have the BEST takes of rival fans but on the whole, they are two amongst a sea of silliness whereas the Fade have about 80% of their posters being intelligent enough to talk about football.

Raider Bill

01-13-2004, 09:24 PM

It's funny, a good friend of mine is a big Donx fan and told me about the place but he just "lurks"(come on in John... the water's fine 8') ) There is a time to run smack and a time to bring something to the table depending on the thread. I just like to stop in and see you guys takes and offer up my own.

baja

01-13-2004, 09:35 PM

It's funny, a good friend of mine is a big Donx fan and told me about the place but he just "lurks"(come on in John... the water's fine 8') ) <b>There is a time to run smack and a time to bring something to the table depending on the thread. </b> I just like to stop in and see you guys takes and offer up my own.

Just let me say here - you suck! rofl

watermock

01-13-2004, 09:43 PM

I agree.

That is like laying a dead ferret on the table.

watermock

01-13-2004, 09:45 PM

I just wish I could photoshop a pic of Al Davis as a Ferrett with his SuperBowl ring and silly chain around his neck.

01-13-2004, 09:48 PM

I just wish I could photoshop a pic of Al Davis as a Ferrett with his SuperBowl ring and silly chain around his neck.

Hell Mock,REAL pictures of him are really close to that.......

Raider Bill

01-13-2004, 09:48 PM

Just let me say here - you suck! rofl

The feeling's mutual tough guy :sticktoun

DontBeMessin

01-13-2004, 09:54 PM

Awwww. How sweet! The Raiders are number one on your board. Thanks fella's! I just stopped by, because I seem not to be finding any Chief fans ANYWHERE. Anybody seen any?

Wazzup Pide Piper - any on the Freak? Let me know - I have some unfinished business with a couple trolls!

01-13-2004, 09:56 PM

I seem not to be finding any Chief fans ANYWHERE. Anybody seen any?

Wazzup Pide Piper - any on the Freak? Let me know - I have some unfinished business with a couple trolls!

Strangely enough,they've become somewhat scarce....

Rock Chalk

01-13-2004, 10:15 PM

Crap, they have been less frequent but they show up daily, at least the regs do.

I tried not to pile on them, believing Karma to be a bitch, but some of them just deserved it.

DontBeMessin

01-13-2004, 10:22 PM

I copied a couple posted they made and will have to show them what they said when they do!

KHinz57

01-13-2004, 10:43 PM

Meck77

01-13-2004, 10:47 PM

It's a good thing the Denver Broncos fans weren't included in this poll, because since there is no way they would win because of people like Alec, FLAMER, Taco, Anubis, they will never have anything intelligent to say about their team. All they have to say is "You're an idiot" if you don't agree with them that the Broncos are the best team in the NFL and were part of a conspiracy all season long for the Donkeys' demise.

Just Brilliant. I guess Taco took you off his leash. Guess your chiefs didn't win the supebowl like you said they would back in week 9 eh?

Rock Chalk

01-13-2004, 10:51 PM

You're an idiot.

DontBeMessin

01-13-2004, 10:55 PM

It's a good thing the Denver Broncos fans weren't included in this poll, because since there is no way they would win because of people like Alec, FLAMER, Taco, Anubis, they will never have anything intelligent to say about their team. All they have to say is "You're an idiot" if you don't agree with them that the Broncos are the best team in the NFL and were part of a conspiracy all season long for the Donkeys' demise.

OH MY GOD - A CHIEFS FAN!!!! Man I am way too tired to post what I want to, to you. So, all I will say for now is this. Remember this year bro - and when you come on other boards and see your other fans acting stupid - CORRECT THEM PLEASE!

ENDelt260

01-14-2004, 03:14 AM

I honestly believe ROY and RINGLEADER have the BEST takes of rival fans but on the whole, they are two amongst a sea of silliness whereas the Fade have about 80% of their posters being intelligent enough to talk about football.

I'm too lazy to read through this whole thread, but glad I saw this early.

Glad to see a couple Planet posters mentioned here in a positive light.

With our good season this year, I'm sure you had to endure a lot of idiots. Glad the guys who were fans before shone through.

Shone? Shined? Eh, whatever. I'm a Chiefs fan. So, I must be an idiot, right? ;)

ChiefJustice

01-14-2004, 04:02 AM

I take pride in the fact that listo and MHM voted for the Chiefs...in spite of ketchup boy and GoChiefs.

After reading this thread i will agree that TNS,njbil and RR are all great additions to this board...as they are at the Planet.

It is the same reason i am here....i just want a different take on things from an outside perspective.Even if it comes from 'Mock ;)

Rausch

01-14-2004, 06:00 AM

OH MY GOD - A CHIEFS FAN!!!! Man I am way too tired to post what I want to, to you. So, all I will say for now is this. Remember this year bro - and when you come on other boards and see your other fans acting stupid - CORRECT THEM PLEASE!

Wow.....that there is some HIGH END IRONY....

Do me a favor, next time you head on out to Oaktown keep preach'n..... rofl

Eye Patch

01-14-2004, 08:10 AM

I can feel the love.

Maybe if I sugar coated my conversations and didn’t shoot from the hip and wound so many here I would be loved by all.

Well you can fergetaboutit….

I look at it this way…. If "some" folks here like my football takes… I must be doing something wrong.

Iowanian

01-14-2004, 09:43 AM

Of Course its Chiefs fans. Sometimes, its like teaching special Ed in heah.

Disco Man

01-14-2004, 10:02 AM

Got to be the Chargers, don't know we ever get anything with value out of red or black

Iowanian

01-14-2004, 11:02 AM

...as opposed to Disco's 80 post dissertation on Molecular Genetic scientific theories.

Rock Chalk

01-14-2004, 11:18 AM

I'm too lazy to read through this whole thread, but glad I saw this early.

Glad to see a couple Planet posters mentioned here in a positive light.

With our good season this year, I'm sure you had to endure a lot of idiots. Glad the guys who were fans before shone through.

Shone? Shined? Eh, whatever. I'm a Chiefs fan. So, I must be an idiot, right? ;)

ENDelt, you dont really post regular enough for me to keep your takes in memory. Oh I know you are a regular, and I vaguely remember a football take or two from you but I wouldnt be able to tell you if it was good or not.

RINGLEADER and ROY stand out because they were aware of their own teams flaws and freely admitted them. That to me, is a sign of a good rival fan. Sure thy throw the smack down like good rival fans do but they also are realistic about their actual, non-smack, football takes.

ZachKC

01-14-2004, 11:20 AM

Shone? Shined? Eh, whatever. I'm a Chiefs fan. So, I must be an idiot, right? ;)

Shinedid

Knowitall

ROFL!

ZachKC

01-14-2004, 11:22 AM

I have met ENDelt in person in KC....fun guy to be around. $50 to anyone who can spot him without a beer in his hand.

NaptownChief

01-14-2004, 11:33 AM

RINGLEADER and ROY stand out because they were aware of their own teams flaws and freely admitted them. That to me, is a sign of a good rival fan. Sure thy throw the smack down like good rival fans do but they also are realistic about their actual, non-smack, football takes.

If that is the standard to measure rival fans by then I am not sure Denver as has any...Can't remember the last time someone admitted a weakness on this board. ;D

Rock Chalk

01-14-2004, 11:39 AM

Please.

There is more complaining about this team by Bronco fans than I can count.

NaptownChief

01-14-2004, 11:42 AM

Please.

There is more complaining about this team by Bronco fans than I can count.

Only amongst yourself....If anyone dare compare a Chief player to a Donkey the Donkey player quickly becomes infallible. Ole Pink Hat could have a leg amputated and there would still be a majority on here arguing he is better than Holmes. ;D

Spider

01-14-2004, 11:45 AM

Come on KHinz57 so far has been the Best of the Chief fans ......... ;D

Rock Chalk

01-14-2004, 11:46 AM

Only amongst yourself....If anyone dare compare a Chief player to a Donkey the Donkey player quickly becomes infallible. Ole Pink Hat could have a leg amputated and there would still be a majority on here arguing he is better than Holmes. ;D

That's what I was talking about in the first place Nappy. Not comparing two teams together. Giving realistic assessments of your own team.

Rock Chalk

01-14-2004, 11:47 AM

And he IS better than Holmes. 4321~ _i_O_i_

NaptownChief

01-14-2004, 12:05 PM

And he IS better than Holmes. 4321~ _i_O_i_

At wearing pink...that is for certain.

Spider

01-14-2004, 12:24 PM

Holmes better then Portis :saywhat:
Bring back KHinz57 ...... Even he was smart enough to see Portis was better .........

ZachKC

01-14-2004, 12:36 PM

Portis looked great against the Colts...

Spider

01-14-2004, 12:45 PM

Portis looked great against the Colts...
Amazing what happens when you play D .........
who has the Belt ?
thats right Portis ........... ;D

ZachKC

01-14-2004, 12:47 PM

Amazing what happens when you play D .........
who has the Belt ?
thats right Portis ........... ;D
Who has more TD's in a season than anyone in history? Holmes.

If you want to use the fact that you ran on the Chiefs defense a badge of honor you are more than welcome to. Nobody else is.

Spider

01-14-2004, 12:49 PM

Who has more TD's in a season than anyone in history? Holmes.

If you want to use the fact that you ran on the Chiefs defense a badge of honor you are more than welcome to. Nobody else is.
Not Just Chiefs , who was the only Back to gain a 100 + yards on the pats ?
Besides Holmes doesnt have the Belt ..........
Portis does

ZachKC

01-14-2004, 12:53 PM

I forgot how good he looked against the Steelers....my mistake...

http://www.foxsports.com/named/FS/NFL/headToHeadResults?statsId=4047&statsId=5937&type=/RB/FB/

Spider

01-14-2004, 12:55 PM

I forgot how good he looked against the Steelers....my mistake...

http://www.foxsports.com/named/FS/NFL/headToHeadResults?statsId=4047&statsId=5937&type=/RB/FB/
Still cant get past that belt thing can you .......
Dont blame you ...........

ZachKC

01-14-2004, 12:57 PM

Still cant get past that belt thing can you .......
Dont blame you ...........

Its the most exciting thing that happened to you all season. Alot of people thought I was jsut trying to stir the pot when I said that game was your Superbowl but I wasn't...users like yourself have proven me right overtime with the way you hold the belt up so high. Who am I to stop you form your fun?

Spider

01-14-2004, 01:03 PM

Its the most exciting thing that happened to you all season. Alot of people thought I was jsut trying to stir the pot when I said that game was your Superbowl but I wasn't...users like yourself have proven me right overtime with the way you hold the belt up so high. Who am I to stop you form your fun?
you know down Deep Portis is better ... you want to get serious ok ... you got it ......
First off Portis is 22 , Prist is over 30 .........
Portis has done more in his first 2 Years then Holmes . ....
With Portis being younger he has alot more of a future then Holmes ......
Portis has More Rushing yards then Holmes ......
Portis 290 Carries 1591 yards
Holmes 320 carries 1420 Yards .........
Did Holmes even come close to Sniffing 3,000 Yards in his first 2 Years ?
Not even Close ..........
Learn what you are talking about before you get high and Mighty Zach .........

ZachKC

01-14-2004, 01:07 PM

NaptownChief

01-14-2004, 01:10 PM

you know down Deep Portis is better ... you want to get serious ok ... you got it ......
First off Portis is 22 , Prist is over 30 .........
Portis has done more in his first 2 Years then Holmes . ....
With Portis being younger he has alot more of a future then Holmes ......
Portis has More Rushing yards then Holmes ......
Portis 290 Carries 1591 yards
Holmes 320 carries 1420 Yards .........
Did Holmes even come close to Sniffing 3,000 Yards in his first 2 Years ?
Not even Close ..........
Learn what you are talking about before you get high and Mighty Zach .........

Age has nothing to do with who is currently better....It's a factor in determining who you would rather have long term but doesn't make him better. I would much rather have Portis over Priest due to age but that doesn't make him better. For example, I would rather have Charlie Rogers over <a href="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1291" target="_blank">Jerry Rice</a> but currently Rice is still the better WR.

Spider

01-14-2004, 01:14 PM

I am glad you like your numbers but the fact is....Holmes gained more yards than Portis did and he also got into the endzone almost 2 times as many times as Portis...

Do you really think sparky will be able to stay healthy long enough and have a great long career with you guys? I am not saying Portis isn't an amazing back becuase he is all you have to do is watch him. But he is no <a href="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1645" target="_blank">Priest Holmes</a>...
Who knows for sure , but anyone that has been watching the Sport for over 5 years Knows what Portis Brings to the Table ........
For example , everytime Portis touches the Ball he is a threat .......
Cant realy Blame Portis Lack of TD's 14 of them ( 13 came for 20 yards + )
Jake was spreading the Ball around .........
you used the Steelers Game to support your Claim .......
Figures Jake was gone , so Fear Steve B ? dont think so ......
Against the Raiders , they wanted to stop Portis and they couldnt .......
Chiefs wanted to stop Portis and Couldnt .....
Bengals , Chargers , Pats , all wanted to stop Portis ......
How do you Know how long Portis will last ?
Priest Holmes had his share of Problems , Long before the Hip .......
Check it out , you will see how Silly your retort is .........

Spider

01-14-2004, 01:16 PM

Age has nothing to do with who is currently better....It's a factor in determining who you would rather have long term but doesn't make him better. I would much rather have Portis over Priest due to age but that doesn't make him better. For example, I would rather have Charlie Rogers over <a href="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1291" target="_blank"><a href="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1291" target="_blank">Jerry Rice</a></a> but currently Rice is still the better WR.

What Portis has done only 2 other Backs have done , and 1 of them hasnt been the same since his Knee Injury ............

orange 4 life

01-14-2004, 01:17 PM

i admit it, i voted chiefs.

the question posed was for HERE, so i can see why raiders are winning.
there are a few solid raider fans, and not many trolls, but there just arent that many regular posters.

rustyfari posts occasionally for the chargers, but thats not enough to go on.

i really voted based on OVERALL fans, and even though the question was for the orange mane, i cant vote for the raiders fans in any way. ive witnessed them kill people (steeler fan many years back) when they dont like them.

i know i shouldnt stereotype, and there are certainly a few good raider fans (oxymoron?) here, but OVERALL i think the chiefs fans are a similar breed to bronco fans.

AS A WHOLE, they are loyal, fanatical, loud, and generally quite knowledgable.
while there are exceptions to every rule, i cant say the same about the majority of raider fans.

we certainly have our share of chief trolls here, but i wont let that cloud the fact that there are alot of good chief fans.

jake

Spider

01-14-2004, 01:23 PM

Nap . I think Portis being younger , translates into Portis has a Quicker Burst , and can run faster futher then Homes ............ I think anyway ........
I dont have 40 times on either one , I just go by what I see ........ Portis just looks faster and More agile ....... Age has alot to do with that .......
Holmes been around , he knows more then Portis , Holmes can read blocks better , knows how to use his linemen ........ in 3 years Portis will be able to also .....

NaptownChief

01-14-2004, 01:25 PM

What Portis has done only 2 other Backs have done , and 1 of them hasnt been the same since his Knee Injury ............

Portis is a stud, no doubt about it and he has more big play HR ability than Holmes but Holmes is a more durable grinder that is more dependable and consistent. If it is 4 and 2 with Super Bowl on the line and I am going to have to run it I would much rather have Holmes making that carry than Portis. That is no slam on Portis it is just a compliment to Holmes. Holmes has very good speed and quickness but that isn't what separates him from the others what separates him from most backs is his balance. He has phenomenal balance and is damn tough to knock down by one player even if they get a good lick on him.

FADERPROOF

01-14-2004, 01:27 PM

I chose Raider fans, cause the majority can at lerast comprehend proper English.

Outside of ROYC,Endelt, Zach, and Iowanian, I've seen few Chief fans that I can say the same for.

NaptownChief

01-14-2004, 01:30 PM

I chose Raider fans, cause the majority can at lerast comprehend proper English.

Outside of ROYC,Endelt, Zach, and Iowanian, I've seen few Chief fans that I can say the same for.

Hey next time you want to cheap shot folks for piss poor English at least run spell check on yourself.

Pot meet Kettle

Spider

01-14-2004, 01:31 PM

Portis is a stud, no doubt about it and he has more big play HR ability than Holmes but Holmes is a more durable grinder that is more dependable and consistent. If it is 4 and 2 with Super Bowl on the line and I am going to have to run it I would much rather have Holmes making that carry than Portis. That is no slam on Portis it is just a compliment to Holmes. Holmes has very good speed and quickness but that isn't what separates him from the others what separates him from most backs is his balance. He has phenomenal balance and is damn tough to knock down by one player even if they get a good lick on him.
seeing how this went serious there is no real wrong answer , Holmes is a force No question ........ Holmes understands the Game , he knows when to dip and when to Zip ...... Somthing that cant be measured .........

FADERPROOF

01-14-2004, 01:32 PM

Hey next time you want to cheap shot folks for piss poor English at least run spell check on yourself.

Pot meet Kettle
Apparently, comprehension and grammar mean the same thing to you ::)

FADERPROOF

01-14-2004, 01:33 PM

BTW, it's not a cheap shot, it's the truth.

NaptownChief

01-14-2004, 01:36 PM

seeing how this went serious there is no real wrong answer , Holmes is a force No question ........ Holmes understands the Game , he knows when to dip and when to Zip ...... Somthing that cant be measured .........

If I could trade Holmes for a younger version this would be my list:

1)Tomlinson (What he is doing on that horrible team is amazing)
2) tie D. McCallister/C.Portis
4) <a href="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/187391" target="_blank">Jamal Lewis</a>(Lower on the list cause he doesn't catch the ball and knee history)
5) A. Green(Would be 2nd but turns 27 next month)

NaptownChief

01-14-2004, 01:37 PM

Apparently, comprehension and grammar mean the same thing to you ::)

Don't blame me for making yourself look silly.

ROYC75

01-14-2004, 02:46 PM

Raiders ? Seriously ? There has to be more Chiefs fans here than Raider fans..... but at the same time, I do know of a few guys that trolled around that has many of you guys rilled up.I would think that the bigger # of rival fans would create a higher # of knowledgeable fans.

As for knowledge, all teams have fans that have it, many fans who want it, and many fans are, well, just fans, not knowing the difference between a I formation, wing T, or a pro set, split right, 2 wide, etc. Some fans get caught up in the game that all they know about is we won or we lost.

FADERPROOF

01-14-2004, 04:53 PM

Don't blame me for making yourself look silly.

Yes, you made me look silly by showing that you cannot determine the difference between comprehension and grammar.

The first post that I made in this thread, you're living up to it.

NaptownChief

01-14-2004, 05:38 PM

Most Dendver fans r jus to stoopid adn cain't comprende Englis..dey aint mart like me

frerottenextelway

01-14-2004, 06:20 PM

Moon§hiner

01-14-2004, 06:31 PM

This is a good place as any to voice one minor complaint I have of The Orangemane. There's some much ''smack'', which consists of nothing but endless ''yadda yadda yadda'' stuff over and over, that it drowns out most of the real talk about our Broncos and the NFL in general. There's just so many times I can read about <a href="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1599" target="_blank">Trent Green</a> and Greg Robinson before I begin smashing my head into the wall AGAIN.
And when that fails, the grammar smack comes out...heh...soooo, predictable....ooops I mispelled so

Maximus

01-14-2004, 06:50 PM

This is a good place as any to voice one minor complaint I have of The Orangemane. There's some much ''smack'', which consists of nothing but endless ''yadda yadda yadda'' stuff over and over, that it drowns out most of the real talk about our Broncos and the NFL in general. There's just so many times I can read about <a href="http://www.nfl.com/players/playerpage/1599" target="_blank">Trent Green</a> and Greg Robinson before I begin smashing my head into the wall AGAIN.

Maybe we should start an SOB thread for old times sake... then we'll see what you have to say ;D

frerottenextelway

01-14-2004, 06:57 PM

Maybe we should start an SOB thread for old times sake... then we'll see what you have to say ;D

Have you hugged Brian today and told him it's not his fault?

Griese giant foam finger...it can only be pointed at a teammate.

If Brian is drunk, alone and falls down, and there's no ambulance....does he still blame his dog?

:D

DontBeMessin

01-15-2004, 10:45 AM

DontBeMessin

01-15-2004, 10:46 AM

NaptownChief

01-15-2004, 11:20 AM

RAIDERS STILL HOLDING THE NUMBER ONE SPOT! Man, you guys are going to make me cry. . .

Hug and kisses to all who voted for the Raider fans!

I mean there isn't much comp - It is pretty easy - all that the Chiefs NEED to know is they can't win a playoff game - San Diego? nuff said. . . . This is one of my favorite threads!

You Raiders are just the sentimental favorites cause you have been humbled so badly this season. It's just human nature that we all feel sorry for the poor crippled kid.

Spider

01-15-2004, 11:26 AM

LOL ........ Brutal .....

Eye Patch

01-15-2004, 11:28 AM

You Raiders are just the sentimental favorites cause you have been humbled so badly this season. It's just human nature that we all feel sorry for the poor crippled kid.

we may be crippled but we at least made opposing teams punt the damn ball.

-Slap-

01-15-2004, 11:29 AM

we may be crippled but we at least made opposing teams punt the damn ball.
And vice versa. Fortunately for you, Lechler is the only good player on your roster.

Spider

01-15-2004, 11:32 AM

we may be crippled but we at least made opposing teams punt the damn ball.
LOL ...........

DontBeMessin

01-15-2004, 11:50 AM

You Raiders are just the sentimental favorites cause you have been humbled so badly this season. It's just human nature that we all feel sorry for the poor crippled kid.

What?!?!? How dare you!?!? - How can you cripple the second winningest team in the NFL? One bad season? Please! Your sorry a$$ team has racked up more bad seasons than Spider has posts! Shut your hole until spoken to loser - reference to your team! Been humbled yes - It's hard to be on top for so long then tumble the way we did - I don't think anyone on this board gives Raider fans any sympathy. And besides, we don't need it.

Crippled. . . ? Please. . .

NaptownChief

01-15-2004, 12:20 PM

What?!?!? How dare you!?!? - One bad season? Please! .

One bad season? Were you in a coma or just under a rock when the Faiders ripped off 6 straight non-playoff years from 94-99? How bout the 11 or 14 non playoff seasons from 86 to 99?

The Faiders have had more bad season in the last two decades than probably the friggen Bungals.

orange 4 life

01-15-2004, 12:21 PM

Old Dude

01-15-2004, 12:22 PM

In the 30-year period between 1963 and 1992, the Raiders's record 285-146-11 (.661) ranks as the best among all major sports teams.

But since then, they've been just slightly above average:

1993 10-6-0 1-1 in playoffs
1994 9-7-0 no playoffs
1995 8-8-0 no playoffs
1996 7-9-0 no playoffs
1997 4-12-0 no playoffs
1998 8 -8-0 no playoffs
1999 8- 8-0 no playoffs
2000 12-4-0 1-1 in playoffs
2001 10-6-0 1-1 in playoffs
2002 11-5-0 2-1 in playoffs
2003 4-12-0

overall: 91-85-0 (+6 games over .500 in 11 seasons)

5-4 in playoff games; highest achievement: ACF Champ, 2002

In the same time frame, Denver has been:

1993 9-7-0 0-1 in playoffs
1994 7-9-0 no playoffs
1995 8-8-0 no playoffs
1996 13-3-0 0-1 in playoffs
1997 12-4-0 4-0 in playoffs, won super bowl
1998 14-2-0 3-0 in playoffs, won super bowl
1999 6-10-0 no playoffs
2000 11-5-0 0-1 in playoffs
2001 8-8-0 no playoffs
2002 9-7-0 no playoffs
2003 12-4-0 0-1 in playoffs

Overall: 109 - 67 (+42 games over .500 in 11 seasons)

7-4 in playoffs; highest accomplishment: NFL Champions (twice)

NaptownChief

01-15-2004, 12:29 PM

The only category the Raiders lead the league in the past two decades is location changes.

Eye Patch

01-15-2004, 12:36 PM

The only category the Raiders lead the league in the past two decades is location changes.

could be worse...

four playoff appearances... four first round playoff loses.

Alan

01-15-2004, 12:45 PM

I see nothing changes, Patchy.
Nice to see you found somewhere else to post smack.

KHinz57

01-15-2004, 12:49 PM

I know DenFan38 usually has good takes when he talks about football, but 90% of the time he's just spouting off meaningless crap that isn't related to football. His only response to any negative take on the Donkeys' is "You're an idiot." And this childish remark comes from the fingers of one of the Mods of this board. Atleast Fujita Joan(Taco John), acts like a true Mod and keeps it about football. After all, this is a football board, not spelling and grammar class. But what should I expect, I'm deep in Donkey Nation here.

rustyfari

01-15-2004, 01:47 PM

What?!?!? How dare you!?!? - How can you cripple the second winningest team in the NFL? One bad season? Please! Your sorry a$$ team has racked up more bad seasons than Spider has posts! Shut your hole until spoken to loser - reference to your team! Been humbled yes - It's hard to be on top for so long then tumble the way we did - I don't think anyone on this board gives Raider fans any sympathy. And besides, we don't need it.

Thanks for keeping the Chargers from going 0 - 6 vs AFC West opponents. Even in losing to us you could not secure the top draft pick. The Raiders cannot stop LT2! Look forward to being flattened by him next year.

This is the team with the most knowledgable fans on the OM? Your team crippled itself. the Raiders made the Chargers superbowl look somewhat respectable by comparison. Your team might have been great before the mid nineties but your time is through for now. You're right that we dont give you any sympathy, you do not deserve it.

I suggest you shut your hole instead -- stuff a flapjack in your crack while you are at it with extra syrup.

P.S. thanks bronco fans for giving me some props... Its not easy to like the Chargers, its even harder when you have to live in the same city as them....

DontBeMessin

01-15-2004, 03:13 PM

The only category the Raiders lead the league in the past two decades is location changes.

Run. . . Hide. . . . Change the subject. . . do whatever you want to do to make yourself feel better. Bottom line is our team has a destiny for greatness. Yes, we have been just ABOVE average the past two decades, BUT - just above average is your best - DECADE EVER! Don't trip dude, and just realize you lost this one. Move on, or just change the subject again. Thanks Old Dude, much appreciated.

Here is the difference, we know our history, and acknowledge our bad times, embrace them and try to move on to make improvements. You Chief fans are just in denial, tried to ride this season, and fell right on your faces. Don't get mad @ us that your team is destine to suck a$$ in the playoffs, if you can't handle it, switch teams. I was humbled when I went on to the Lions site and heard what a true fan is. They didn't complain, or talk smack - they couldn't, and didn't after they won, but they haven't won a playoff game either, kind of like the Chiefs - so why are you Chief fans running of the mouth?

Spider

01-15-2004, 03:15 PM

:saywhat:
Is that the fat lady singing ?

Rohirrim

01-15-2004, 03:18 PM

Bottom line is our team has a destiny for greatness.

:homer: :spamattac Hilarious! :flush: :pimp: thwack :pfbbt:

I almost forgot... :alghh:

Spider

01-15-2004, 03:19 PM

:ohyah!:

NaptownChief

01-15-2004, 03:24 PM

[QUOTE=DontBeMessin]Run. . . Yes, we have been just ABOVE average the past two decade [QUOTE]

Were you even out of your mother's vagina prior to two decades ago?

01-15-2004, 03:44 PM

WOW!!!....... :puff:

Spider

01-15-2004, 03:45 PM

:devil:

DontBeMessin

01-15-2004, 04:30 PM

[QUOTE=DontBeMessin]Run. . . Yes, we have been just ABOVE average the past two decade [QUOTE]

Were you even out of your mother's vagina prior to two decades ago?
If you weren't they you know about the Raiders, so why do you concern yourself with OUR bad times - not like you team was doing any better was it? If it was please continue, and yes I was, my favorite player is number 21 Cliff Branch. So, since we both were, lets compare shall we - how about this - YOU go and post a decade when you team had a better percentage - and for every ONE you post I will post TWO for my team. Sounds far doesn't it. So, let's just end this hear cheese sucker - don't get into history when you don't have one beotch!!!!

Blueflame

01-15-2004, 04:38 PM

Heh... this is getting entertaining... hang on a sec while I make some popcorn! ;D

NaptownChief

01-15-2004, 04:38 PM

don't get into history when you don't have one beotch!!!!

We've got as many SB Rings in the past two decades as your sorry ass franchise....a pathetic zero.

If you have to dig back more than two decades ago to hang your hat on something then that speaks volumes. It's like a castrated man talking about how big a set he use to have. Bottom line is that it isn't that way anymore and nobody cares about what you use to have.

Maybe you and MC Hammer can get together and talk about how good you use to have it.

Spider

01-15-2004, 04:43 PM

We've got as many SB Rings in the past two decades as your sorry ass franchise....a pathetic zero.

If you have to dig back more than two decades ago to hang your hat on something then that speaks volumes. It's like a castrated man talking about how big a set he use to have. Bottom line is that it isn't that way anymore and nobody cares about what you use to have.

Maybe you and MC Hammer can get together and talk about how good you use to have it.

NaptownChief

01-15-2004, 04:46 PM

Hammma Time..... :D

Maybe Vanilla ICE, ICE BABY can join them.

Light Up A Chump like a Vandal.

Spider

01-15-2004, 04:47 PM

Lol

Raider Bill

01-15-2004, 05:33 PM

Is it true the real reason the AFC championship trophy is named after Lamar Hunt is because it's the only way someone connected with the Chiefs name could appear on one?

Broncoman13

01-15-2004, 05:41 PM

This is damn funny!!!

Naptown posted:

If you have to dig back more than two decades ago to hang your hat on something then that speaks volumes. It's like a castrated man talking about how big a set he use to have. Bottom line is that it isn't that way anymore and nobody cares about what you use to have.

I think that pretty much sums it up for both teams!

Raider Bill

01-15-2004, 07:56 PM

How do you identify the best man at a Chief's fan Wedding?

He's the one with the jumper cables..

Spider

01-15-2004, 08:03 PM

How do you identify the best man at a Chief's fan Wedding?

He's the one with the jumper cables..
LMAO whats so funny is you are siglehandly making Chief fan look good ...... Funny Joke though

ROYC75

01-15-2004, 08:19 PM

Damn, a good thread gone bad ? I see alot of smack, and to think that football season is over for both teams ?

BTA, at least my team isn't backed by a horse's ass ! :laugh:

( I know I've been away for a few days, time to jump back in with both feet again ! Join the fun boys and girls ) :bandwagon

Spider

01-15-2004, 08:40 PM

WB Royc .......

DontBeMessin

01-15-2004, 10:51 PM

We've got as many SB Rings in the past two decades as your sorry ass franchise....a pathetic zero.

I can't believe nobody picked this up and slammed this dude! Look lucky go suck, if you were to cut our playoff losses in half that would not equate to how many times you have won in the post season. We have won more times than your sorry ass team has even appeared lickem low. In those two decades how many times did you clinch the AFC West? How many times did you make it deep into the playoffs. Yea! Thought so, don't even compare your sorry ass team to mine nut choker, what are you thinking! You weren't even born the last time the chiefs won the SB and you better thank Gatorade for THAT WIN cocksmoker! Pull up some stats star gazer - I bet the Chargers have a better percentage than you!

Look, just stop posting and I'll leave you alone - you better tell this dude Piper - DONT BE MESSIN - beotch!

Rock Chalk

01-15-2004, 10:52 PM

Playoff wins dont mean **** if you dont win it all. Nappy has a point. both your franchises have sucked in the past two decades.

DontBeMessin

01-15-2004, 11:01 PM

Playoff wins dont mean **** if you dont win it all. Nappy has a point. both your franchises have sucked in the past two decades.

You know just as well as any fan in the NFL - to make the Playoffs is SOMETHING - means you getting closer to your goal. Us @ 4-12 is just disgraceful. It's a horrible feeling bro - I wish my team was in the post season - even to lose (like yours), @ least you made it! Your still a winning team - you can't win them all bro, especially with the free agency market nowadays. SB's will come as long as you stay on track, and staying on track is winning games and getting to the post season. Getting that experience, getting the feel, being able to win in another teams house. Believe me, I would hate to see Denver in the post season next year. I think you understand now.

Rock Chalk

01-15-2004, 11:03 PM

You guys made the playoffs last year...isnt that supposed to mean you are building towards something? Ha!

dont tell me 4-12 sucks. I know.

TrentNextElway

01-15-2004, 11:21 PM

Please tell me everyone is joking around in talks of next year's season. How can a Donkey fan actually believe the Broncos will be any better than the Chiefs next year? First off, Priest Holmes will be even healthier and completely back to 100%. Secondly, Trent Green continues to master the offense and in turn, continues to improve. The Chiefs will have a better defense than last year, because you just cannot get any worse. Then ... all of our stars are locked up. Heck, you may be losing your Tight End, your best defensive player in Al Wilson, and heck, Jake Plummer can always meet another couch again. Not to mention the days of Rod Smith dominating the passing game are coming to an end. And fragile Clinton Portis could end up like Jamal Anderson, you never know. So naturally, you are all getting way ahead of yourselves. But then again, being a Donkey fan, a knowledgeable, intelligent person is a gift and very few. The only worry the Chiefs have is whether John Tait re-signs or not, and all signs are looking good. We could sign a shutdown cornerback in the off-season, as well as a D-lineman, or maybe Terrell Owens will jump on the bandwagon and drop Morton or Kennison to a 3rd receiver. The only advantage Donkey fans have is that Dante Hall being our secret weapon is no longer a secret anymore.

DontBeMessin

01-15-2004, 11:22 PM

Just Rub It In Ace! But, you know I'm have a point though. . .

Rock Chalk

01-15-2004, 11:24 PM

Hey, just ensuring you get what you give ;)

Yes, you have a point. On the top of your head :dunce: Ha!

Im just playin around ya know, dont get too hostile. njbil gets a little too riled up.

NaptownChief

01-16-2004, 08:01 AM

I can't believe nobody picked this up and slammed this dude! ................ nut choker, ......... cocksmoker!........

Well I can tell you why aren't picking this dude up and slamming him is cause you don't have a big enough set. Geez, if I had a dime for ever Raider fan that was an internet tough guy. Just trying to figure out if you are the 250lb slob or of the 5'8" 115 pound dripping wet variety.

As for your nut choker and coacksmoker reference it is clear that your mind doesn't make it out of the Bay area very often. If you did you would realize men don't typically commit those acts outside the Bay area. Based on how your Faiders just rolled over and took it in the backside all year it is pretty apparent that they have come very accustom to the Bay lifestyle.

BTW, your userid of "Don'tBeMessin" is that what you tell your boy friends when they attempt to wipe their unit off on your curtains?

DontBeMessin

01-16-2004, 08:01 AM

Naa, not me, been through the ringer already when I first came this board, then hoards of Bronco fans jumped on our site for some time. . . It's all good. So, you can say - I've been there and done that. No need to get all hostile, unless it's a Chiefs fan! Those guys need to watch some NFL history flicks or something. . .not like they'll be in them or anything. . .

DontBeMessin

01-16-2004, 08:05 AM

Well I can tell you why aren't picking this dude up and slamming him is cause you don't have a big enough set. Geez, if I had a dime for ever Raider fan that was an internet tough guy. Just trying to figure out if you are the 250lb slob or of the 5'8" 115 pound dripping wet variety.

As for your nut choker and coacksmoker reference it is clear that your mind doesn't make it out of the Bay area very often. If you did you would realize men don't typically commit those acts outside the Bay area. Based on how your Faiders just rolled over and took it in the backside all year it is pretty apparent that they have come very accustom to the Bay lifestyle.

BTW, your userid of "Don'tBeMessin" is that what you tell your boy friends when they attempt to wipe their unit off on your curtains?

Your that dense aren't you. . . Read my sig - from Portland fool! Now, this post becomes irrelevent. Try again. . . because obviously you don't want to address the subject. It's alright, I would expect no less from you. . .

NaptownChief

01-16-2004, 08:09 AM

Your that dense aren't you. . . Read my sig - from Portland fool! Now, this post becomes irrelevent. Try again. . . because obviously you don't want to address the subject. It's alright, I would expect no less from you. . .

Read my post smart boy...I said your "mind doesn't make it out of the bay"....I don't give a $hit if you live in Iceland, you are on here running your yap about your Bay City Losers all day long.

Rock Chalk

01-16-2004, 08:11 AM

As opposed to you on here running your yap about those BBQ losers you support? Ha!

watching Fade fan and Chef fan fight is almost fun.

NaptownChief

01-16-2004, 08:12 AM

As opposed to you on here running your yap about those BBQ losers you support? Ha!

watching Fade fan and Chef fan fight is almost fun.

My BBQ losers made it further than your Donkeys and his Bay City Rollovers

Rock Chalk

01-16-2004, 08:14 AM

No. Your BBQ losers lost in their first playoff game same as mine did.

The difference between our teams is that my team has won a championship or two and actually made it to the big show 6 times since the last time your losers even whiffed it ;P

NaptownChief

01-16-2004, 08:16 AM

No. Your BBQ losers lost in their first playoff game same as mine did.

You guys were playing in the second round of the playoffs? I must have missed that game.

Rock Chalk

01-16-2004, 08:17 AM

do you not know how to read Nappy?

"Your BBQ losers lost IN THEIR FIRST playoff game, same as mine did"

Doesn't matter which round it is.

jhat01

01-16-2004, 08:17 AM

:yep: I told you Charger fans were the best.

NaptownChief

01-16-2004, 08:19 AM

My BBQ losers made it further than your Donkeys and his Bay City Rollovers

Do they teach you how to read at SJSU? Note "further"....2nd round as opposed to first round.

Rock Chalk

01-16-2004, 08:22 AM

Well that's nice Nappy. How many games did your team play? 17?

How many games did my Donkeys play? 17?

I didnt go to SJSU.

NaptownChief

01-16-2004, 08:25 AM

Well that's nice Nappy. How many games did your team play? 17?

How many games did my Donkeys play? 17?

I didnt go to SJSU.

Glad to see your math skills are sharper than your reading comprehension.

Who is the guy on the board going to San Jose State? Seriously thought that was you. My mistake.

Rock Chalk

01-16-2004, 08:30 AM

my reading comprehension is better than yours since I never contested KC made it "further" only that they lost their first game in the playoffs same as Denver.

ROYC75

01-16-2004, 08:34 AM

Zippity doo da zippity day , my oh my, the boys must play ......

Are we having fun yet ?

Rock Chalk

01-16-2004, 08:39 AM

Hey ROY, how's it hangin? No, wait, dont tell me I dont want to know.

How bout them Chefs? 13-3 and 0-1....again. ;D

ROYC75

01-16-2004, 08:41 AM

Hey ROY, how's it hangin? No, wait, dont tell me I dont want to know.

How bout them Chefs? 13-3 and 0-1....again. ;D

Bout like the Donks !

Other than that, I'm wondering if the Jayhawks are going to p/u Self's style of play intime for the tourney ?

Rock Chalk

01-16-2004, 08:43 AM

They god damn well better. Watching KU in the tourney is the only thing I have in the offseason!

Spider

01-16-2004, 08:44 AM

LMAO . some one Neg reped me for Post #102 on this thead , somthing about Tacos mother , so I know it came from a chief fan , just not sure what one ..........
To the person that was offended .......
I posted that pic as a joke ( Chief - Raider Debate ) as to the one side was realy losng the argument , I just wish you would have been man enough to sign your name , to the Neg rep .........

Rock Chalk

01-16-2004, 08:48 AM

"AlecRaenos has a spectacular aura about." I must have hit 150.

NaptownChief

01-16-2004, 08:53 AM

LMAO . some one Neg reped me for Post #102 on this thead , somthing about Tacos mother , so I know it came from a chief fan ,

I would think it came from a Bay City Rollover fan cause it looks like you were implying the fat lady was singing on them.

Rock Chalk

01-16-2004, 08:54 AM

Ha! Bay City Rollover...that's good, Imma rep you for that.

NaptownChief

01-16-2004, 08:57 AM

Ha! Bay City Rollover...that's good, Imma rep you for that.

Thanks...For some reason it's a lot more fun making fun of them than any other.

Spider

01-16-2004, 08:59 AM

I would think it came from a Bay City Rollover fan cause it looks like you were implying the fat lady was singing on them.
Naw it was a Chief fan , no question . I lurked CP long enough ......
That Tacos mother comment is what tipped it ..........
The only reason I pointed it out is , without knowing who sent it , I realy cant give the neg rep that much wieght ........
if he would have signed it , then it would have shown how strong his conviction was .......

watermock

01-16-2004, 09:04 AM

I'm having serious problems getting my negative rep points up.

Maybe I need to start using the M word again.

Rock Chalk

01-16-2004, 09:05 AM

Ha! I keep giving you positive rep mock. Just cause I know it irks you :P

NaptownChief

01-16-2004, 09:09 AM

Naw it was a Chief fan , no question . I lurked CP long enough ......
That Tacos mother comment is what tipped it ..........
The only reason I pointed it out is , without knowing who sent it , I realy cant give the neg rep that much wieght ........
if he would have signed it , then it would have shown how strong his conviction was .......

That is pretty gutless, but it is possible the person didn't know that it wasn't automaticially signed. The first time I gave someone positive rep I just assumed it would show who it came from but that is when I learned you needed to actually sign your name to it.

Spider

01-16-2004, 09:10 AM

Well the whole point is this .........
Does the guy dislike me and saw a reason to Neg Rep ... or did the Pic realy bother him that bad ?

jhat01

01-16-2004, 09:10 AM

Ha! I keep giving you positive rep mock. Just cause I know it irks you :P

Be sure to sign them! hahaha

jhat01

01-16-2004, 09:11 AM

Well the whole point is this .........
Does the guy dislike me and saw a reason to Neg Rep ... or did the Pic realy bother him that bad ?

Probably just being an ass.

NaptownChief

01-16-2004, 09:11 AM

Well the whole point is this .........
Does the guy dislike me and saw a reason to Neg Rep ... or did the Pic realy bother him that bad ?

Well if I were eating at the time you posted that I would have given you some bad rep after I cleaned the vomit out of my keyboard.

Spider

01-16-2004, 09:14 AM

That is pretty gutless, but it is possible the person didn't know that it wasn't automaticially signed. The first time I gave someone positive rep I just assumed it would show who it came from but that is when I learned you needed to actually sign your name to it.
Could be , I am willing to afford the person that benifit of a doubt ... it is a blue dot , so maybe your right ...........
Either way , if the person found that pic offensive enough to neg rep , I will be more cautious as to where I post it , if it is a beef with me then so be it .....

Spider

01-16-2004, 09:14 AM

Well if I were eating at the time you posted that I would have given you some bad rep after I cleaned the vomit out of my keyboard.
LMAO ........ Come on you would hit that .......... dont deny it

ROYC75

01-16-2004, 10:29 AM

Hot damn, we gonna use them high school rep points on here too ?

Oh well, guess it makes some of ya feel younger again.

fontaine

01-16-2004, 10:50 AM

NaptownChief wrote:

If I could trade Holmes for a younger version this would be my list:

1)Tomlinson (What he is doing on that horrible team is amazing)
2) tie D. McCallister/C.Portis
4) Jamal Lewis(Lower on the list cause he doesn't catch the ball and knee history)
5) A. Green(Would be 2nd but turns 27 next month)

You know what, I give Tomlinson two more years and for all football purposes he'll be practically the same age as Holmes.

I think it's cruel and unusual punishment to put a guy with that much talent and force him to carry 52 other saps. He reminds me of TD, he's got twice the heart and talent than most RBs, but will probably burn out twice as fast.

baja

01-16-2004, 11:10 AM

Greg Robinson is gone, Happy Days are hear again !

We too thought our defensive problems were over with the firing of Greg Robinson but two seasons and two DCs later we realized it was not that simple, ya gotta have players too.

rustyfari

01-16-2004, 09:23 PM

NaptownChief wrote:
I give Tomlinson two more years and for all football purposes he'll be practically the same age as Holmes.

In his NFL career Holmes has accumulated around 9,000 yards rushing. LT2 has about half that. But Holmes is 31 or something. LT2 is just hitting 26. You're telling me thats the same? LT2's best football is ahead of him... do you believe Holmes will continue to improve?

The Bolts NEED some OL help its true. Expect them to get help there this off season. Can you understand how woefully the Chargers OL performed last year? Our worst nightmare is to have LT2 get hurt like Holmes did; LT2 will have the line he needs next season. We cannot afford to waste his talent year after year.

baja

01-17-2004, 07:36 AM

Yep, at least marty will do that much for you guys.

-Slap-

01-17-2004, 08:25 AM

In my mind, LT is clearly the best back in football. He's the total package.

rustyfari

01-17-2004, 12:10 PM

In my mind, LT is clearly the best back in football. He's the total package.

You're not the only one who thinks that. Check this out:

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/playerrankings/regularseason/RB

Thanks to the Pro Bowl snub, LT2 is going to play pissed off next season. He's going to be scary with a better O line and a better defense....

twotimes3233

07-23-2005, 02:27 PM

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v641/twotimes/untitled78.jpg

Rocket 7

07-23-2005, 02:36 PM

In my mind, LT is clearly the best back in football. He's the total package.
True back on 1-17-04 and it stills holds true today. LT is a beast.

Rausch

07-23-2005, 02:40 PM

The Raiders?

More felons, sure, but not more knowledge of the game...

Atlas

07-23-2005, 03:13 PM

Raider fans here pretty good.

I'm on record on what I think of Chef fan

crazyhorse

07-23-2005, 03:28 PM

FADERPROOF

07-23-2005, 03:29 PM

The Chiefs fans have difficulty talking football right now on the mane. I believe, because the 2 teams are the most competive in the AFC.

I have tried to bring up football topics. Or even address a topic already posted with evenhanded comments. It always becomes an insult contest. It is a sign of the times, I guess.

A couple of years ago, it was a little easier to talk football here as a Chiefs fan. You still can if you are talking to the right people. But the opportunity come fewer and further between.

The Raider fans have become much tamer now that they have become the doormat of the AFC West. Because they haven't been the same threat as in years past, they are tolerated a little more.

Charger fans, as has been posted, dont make much of a showing at all. So it's hard to guage.

The Chiefs fans are the more knowlegable if for no other reason, then by sheer numbers here on the mane.

I will withhold my vote. So I dont skew the poll.

Go ahead and vote, 11 of the current 22 votes for the Chiefs are in fact Chief fans, so what is one more?

Atlas

07-23-2005, 03:32 PM

Go ahead and vote, 11 of the current 22 votes for the Chiefs are in fact Chief fans, so what is one more?

HAHAHA
Crazyhorse at his computer
http://us.f603.mail.yahoo.com/ym/us/ShowLetter?box=Inbox&MsgId=4604_16089125_1360_2370_245853_0_62238_37334 4_2300471607&bodyPart=2.2.2.2&YY=36219&order=up&sort=date&pos=0&view=a

Blueflame

07-23-2005, 03:37 PM

The Chiefs fans have difficulty talking football right now on the mane. I believe, because the 2 teams are the most competive in the AFC.

I have tried to bring up football topics. Or even address a topic already posted with evenhanded comments. It always becomes an insult contest. It is a sign of the times, I guess.

A couple of years ago, it was a little easier to talk football here as a Chiefs fan. You still can if you are talking to the right people. But the opportunity come fewer and further between.

The Raider fans have become much tamer now that they have become the doormat of the AFC West. Because they haven't been the same threat as in years past, they are tolerated a little more.

Charger fans, as has been posted, dont make much of a showing at all. So it's hard to guage.

The Chiefs fans are the more knowlegable if for no other reason, then by sheer numbers here on the mane.

I will withhold my vote. So I dont skew the poll.

It's been my observation that the Moss signing has effectively wiped out two dismal seasons for Fadefan. Even though he has yet to play a down for their team, it appears that most of them feel he will singlehandedly add 9 or 10 wins to their season total. Nevermind that they still have Kerry Collins tossing the rock... and no defensive improvements to speak of... they will tell you Collins is the next Plunkett and that their defense will step up and get the job done. Some will even predict that LaMont Jordan will lead the division in rushing yards. Ha!

Bronx33

07-23-2005, 03:41 PM

Blueflame

07-23-2005, 03:49 PM

That's how i see it.........you would think moss is going to throw the ball to himself.

... or that Kerry Collins will stop being... well, Kerry Collins. Sure, he'll have a few good games here and there, but he's always been inconsistent. I do not expect that to change, no matter who his WRs are.

gunns

07-23-2005, 03:56 PM

That is pretty gutless, but it is possible the person didn't know that it wasn't automaticially signed. The first time I gave someone positive rep I just assumed it would show who it came from but that is when I learned you needed to actually sign your name to it.

It doesn't show unless you sign it? I don't think I've signed it but there is a lot of you I have given rep to. No NC you're not one. Imagine that!

Crushaholic

07-23-2005, 03:59 PM

It doesn't show unless you sign it? I don't think I've signed it but there is a lot of you I have given rep to. No NC you're not one. Imagine that!

This is an old thread. I think it used to be that you wouldn't know who gave you rep unless they signed it. It's not that way, anymore.

gunns

07-23-2005, 04:01 PM

We too thought our defensive problems were over with the firing of Greg Robinson but two seasons and two DCs later we realized it was not that simple, ya gotta have players too.

Yes you have to have players but each side of the ball affects the other. I think we did well on defense with Greg Robinson because of our high powered offense making it easier for the defense. But we also had players that may not have been the most talented on defense but they worked their butts off. I'm hoping that's what happens with our D this year.

Blueflame

07-23-2005, 04:04 PM

Rep isn't anonymous anymore... but at one time, it was. Things got interesting when the change came about... and people could suddenly see who had been giving them rep, especially neg rep.

gunns

07-23-2005, 04:06 PM

The Chiefs fans have difficulty talking football right now on the mane. I believe, because the 2 teams are the most competive in the AFC.

I have tried to bring up football topics. Or even address a topic already posted with evenhanded comments. It always becomes an insult contest. It is a sign of the times, I guess.

A couple of years ago, it was a little easier to talk football here as a Chiefs fan. You still can if you are talking to the right people. But the opportunity come fewer and further between.

The Raider fans have become much tamer now that they have become the doormat of the AFC West. Because they haven't been the same threat as in years past, they are tolerated a little more.

Charger fans, as has been posted, dont make much of a showing at all. So it's hard to guage.

The Chiefs fans are the more knowlegable if for no other reason, then by sheer numbers here on the mane.

I will withhold my vote. So I dont skew the poll.

Have to agree with this. A few years ago it was battling with the Raider fans. But I will say that when between the two when you find a knowledgable opposing fan that doesn't post a typical "the Broncos sucks" post it's the Raider fan that's more level headed. Which is funny because it's generally been the Raider fan that is more likely to post the "Bronco sucks" posts. Charger fans have just never had much to say.

Raiders Rock

07-23-2005, 04:19 PM

... or that Kerry Collins will stop being... well, Kerry Collins. Sure, he'll have a few good games here and there, but he's always been inconsistent. I do not expect that to change, no matter who his WRs are.

Well, Plummer is inconsistant too so I guess we are even

scorpio

07-23-2005, 04:24 PM

You know, I used to spend summers in Southern Cali and I've never seen anyone wear a Chargers jersey. I've never met a hardcore Chargers fan. I've never seen a Chargers sticker on someone's car, in a town where we have Cardinals (!) fans. I've personally always had a soft spot for the Bolts, but maybe that's because nobody else likes them.

Blueflame

07-23-2005, 04:26 PM

Well, Plummer is inconsistant too so I guess we are even

No we're not. Plummer enjoyed a significantly higher QB rating in '04 than did Collins... and his team won way more games and made a playoff appearance. Collins' team had to settle for a top-10 draft pick. :brokehalo

Raiders Rock

07-23-2005, 04:28 PM

No we're not. Plummer enjoyed a significantly higher QB rating in '04 than did Collins... and his team won way more games and made a playoff appearance. Collins' team had to settle for a top-10 draft pick. :brokehalo

Collins was in his first year with the team, we will see next year

Crushaholic

07-23-2005, 04:32 PM

Collins was in his first year with the team, we will see next year

That's the same argument I have in regards to Plummer. Technically, last year was the second year for Plummer in Denver. However, he was injured for half of the games in his first year. Therefore, Plummer completed his first FULL year with the Broncos last season.

Blueflame

07-23-2005, 04:43 PM

Collins was in his first year with the team, we will see next year

Nice try.... but... Plummer's numbers for his first season with the team ('03) were better than Collins' for '04. ;D

Bronx33

07-23-2005, 04:43 PM

Kaylore

07-23-2005, 09:50 PM

The Raider fans. Chiefs fans are homering idiots, and Boltz fans don't exist, so you can't expect them to know about their team they don't follow.

....And it looks like most of the Bronco fans agree. Half the people that voted for the Chiefs are Chiefs themselves. The small group that voted for the Boltz only did so out of fear of giving any kind of credit to the Mullets and the Butt-pirates.

Maximus

07-23-2005, 10:03 PM

It's been my observation that the Moss signing has effectively wiped out two dismal seasons for Fadefan. Even though he has yet to play a down for their team, it appears that most of them feel he will singlehandedly add 9 or 10 wins to their season total. Nevermind that they still have Kerry Collins tossing the rock... and no defensive improvements to speak of... they will tell you Collins is the next Plunkett and that their defense will step up and get the job done. Some will even predict that LaMont Jordan will lead the division in rushing yards. Ha!

Spin it anyway you like Blue. Collins throws one of the better deep balls in the game. His problems start when he's forced to move in the pocket. With our offensive line and with a full training camp as the starter Collins should be much more effective. The point that you seem to leave out of your arguement is that Collins' numbers improved significantly in the last 5 or 6 games.

You can attribute this to Collins getting comfortable with a new offense. He also started to connect with Porter. The other thing that you seem to want to forget is that Moss is going to create a situation where collins will not see 8 in the box. Less pass rush = More time which in turn = Bailout getting burned deep by Moss or Porter!

Bob's your Information Minister

07-23-2005, 10:12 PM

Chiefs fans aren't the ones sitting here saying their defense is going to improve because they're switching to a 4-3.

And yes, you will now bring up Gunther. You ****ers.

Tredici

07-23-2005, 10:14 PM

His problems start when he's forced to move in the pocket.

The other thing that you seem to want to forget is that Moss is going to create a situation where collins will not see 8 in the box. !

Gee... I kinda think those two things don't necessarily go together. If you think Defensive Coordinators are suddenly going to forget Collin's propensities due to the arrival of Moss I think that is a bit short sighted. They might just come after him harder to negate the Moss factor.

Time will tell.

Tredici

07-23-2005, 10:16 PM

Chiefs fans aren't the ones sitting here saying their defense is going to improve because they're switching to a 4-3.

And yes, you will now bring up Gunther. You ****ers.

No, they are the ones who keep pointing out getting Champ Bailey was dumb because the cornerback position has been made pointless due to rule changes.

Then they fall upon their knees in front of Surtain.

Rausch

07-23-2005, 11:10 PM

No, they are the ones who keep pointing out getting Champ Bailey was dumb because the cornerback position has been made pointless due to rule changes.

That's the most retarded argument going right now. There is no rule change only an emphasis on ENFORCING the rules already on the books.

I'm sure you'll find fans of any team with $3it at CB pimping that lame line of logic...

RhymesayersDU

07-23-2005, 11:13 PM

Yep, TNS's posts alone made me vote Raider Fan.

Crushaholic

07-24-2005, 01:31 AM

And yes, you will now bring up Gunther. You ****ers.

OK...gotta get ready for the season. Here we go...

ahem...

*clearing my throat*

OK, here we go...

GOOOOOOOOOOOOONTHER!!!!!!! I SPIT ON THEE!!!! :laugh:

Crushaholic

07-24-2005, 01:34 AM

No, they are the ones who keep pointing out getting Champ Bailey was dumb because the cornerback position has been made pointless due to rule changes.

Then they fall upon their knees in front of Surtain.

Don't forget about them conducting 24-hour vigils to the prospect of signing Gimpy Law... ROFL!

ZachKC

07-24-2005, 02:40 AM

Don't forget about them conducting 24-hour vigils to the prospect of signing Gimpy Law... ROFL!
Are you joking?

crazyhorse

07-24-2005, 06:05 AM

Spin it anyway you like Blue. Collins throws one of the better deep balls in the game. His problems start when he's forced to move in the pocket. With our offensive line and with a full training camp as the starter Collins should be much more effective. The point that you seem to leave out of your arguement is that Collins' numbers improved significantly in the last 5 or 6 games.

You can attribute this to Collins getting comfortable with a new offense. He also started to connect with Porter. The other thing that you seem to want to forget is that Moss is going to create a situation where collins will not see 8 in the box. Less pass rush = More time which in turn = Bailout getting burned deep by Moss or Porter!

Just because Collins has a good deep ball, it doesn't mean that he will throw 100% completions deep. Throwing a good deep ball means instead of throwing 30% completions you might throw 35% completions.

I dont see where that equates to 8 more wins for the season. Considering the fact that the defense has gotten worse, I'm not sure the Raiders can win 4 more games.

Davis has accomplished exactly what he set out to do. Sell you a ticket for a 4-12 franchise. Optimism is high in the off season. Davis is building on that by buying 1 big name and selling some of the better parts of the defense in order to do it.

I just dont see how that equates to a bunch of wins you didn't have last year. The only valid point that you made was that Collins was better at the end of the season than he was when he started. You didn't have to dump guys on D to achieve that.

In my opinion, the Raiders were geared more toward selling tickets by purchasing a big name star. When they should have upgraded the defense. The offense was already competetive.

Instead of really improving the team, Davis was focused on improving the ticket sales. It was likely the best move for the organization due to the fact they were going to have a tough time competeing in the AFC West.

Of course the other benefit of signing a marquee player is that it will get you a primetime game or 2 you wouldn't have otherwise had.

Spider

07-24-2005, 08:44 AM

Just because Collins has a good deep ball, it doesn't mean that he will throw 100% completions deep. Throwing a good deep ball means instead of throwing 30% completions you might throw 35% completions.
thats it ..... Piss in Raider fans cheerios ....

I dont see where that equates to 8 more wins for the season. Considering the fact that the defense has gotten worse, I'm not sure the Raiders can win 4 more games.
Fader math real simple No Defense + Randy Moss = Look out NFL .......

Davis has accomplished exactly what he set out to do. Sell you a ticket for a 4-12 franchise. Optimism is high in the off season. Davis is building on that by buying 1 big name and selling some of the better parts of the defense in order to do it.
Yep ........

I just dont see how that equates to a bunch of wins you didn't have last year. The only valid point that you made was that Collins was better at the end of the season than he was when he started. You didn't have to dump guys on D to achieve that.
once you take a look at the west , LT2, Holmes , Anyone Denver puts in ....

In my opinion, the Raiders were geared more toward selling tickets by purchasing a big name star. When they should have upgraded the defense. The offense was already competetive.
But Randy Moss man ...... ;D Raiders have became the Vikings of the AFC .....

TheNextStep

07-24-2005, 11:04 AM

I really don't feel like getting into yet another Raider defense argument... but I will say this: Everybody keeps saying that Collins is horrible and gets rattled when a defense gets consistent pressure on him.

Problem with that? As bad as Oakland was last year - and despite having no running game to balance the offense - I read recently that the Raider offensive line was 5th best in the NFL in terms of sack allowed.

Billy Clyde Puckett

07-24-2005, 03:11 PM

Chargers because they are smart enough to know they are out of their league and don't bother showing up here.

Raiders Rock

07-24-2005, 04:30 PM

crazyhorse

07-24-2005, 04:46 PM

Damnit TNS, you quit telling them all this info and just enjoy the what the hell look they give you when the season starts :)

I'll be waiting for Randy to win you 8 games singlehandedly.

Wont that be tough though since he only shows up for about half his games?

Kaylore

07-24-2005, 05:43 PM

I'll be waiting for Randy to win you 8 games singlehandedly.

Wont that be tough though since he only shows up for about half his games?
I think Randy Moss wil impress, but he's only one guy. One guy isn't going to completely turn this team around - especially with no Defense.

crazyhorse

07-24-2005, 05:58 PM

I think Randy Moss wil impress, but he's only one guy. One guy isn't going to completely turn this team around - especially with no Defense.

Randy Moss will do the Raiders at least as much harm, as he does them good. That's why Minny dumped him. The price was too steep for the return they were getting. Even though Moss is a considerable talent, he is a considerable cancer. I can hardly wait to see the Oakland Mosses. If not this season, then perhaps next. But it's coming, you can bet on it.

After the Honeymoon we will see how good the Raiders are.

Raiders Rock

07-24-2005, 06:58 PM

Randy Moss will do the Raiders at least as much harm, as he does them good. That's why Minny dumped him. The price was too steep for the return they were getting. Even though Moss is a considerable talent, he is a considerable cancer. I can hardly wait to see the Oakland Mosses. If not this season, then perhaps next. But it's coming, you can bet on it.

After the Honeymoon we will see how good the Raiders are.

Yea, I bet you are gonna tell me next that if the Donks could have got him you would have said hell no right?

Raiders Rock

07-24-2005, 07:15 PM

Oh, and don't forget my little Donkey friends

Denver's Mike Shanahan acquired four of the Browns defensive linemen (Cleveland was No. 32 vs. the rush)
http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/football/story/330993p-282899c.html

Rock Chalk

07-24-2005, 07:25 PM

Who dug this ****ing thread up? Wasnt this posted originally like months ago?

Raiders Rock

07-24-2005, 07:29 PM

Who dug this ****ing thread up? Wasnt this posted originally like months ago?
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v18/greenchicken/revival.jpg

crazyhorse

07-24-2005, 07:32 PM

Yea, I bet you are gonna tell me next that if the Donks could have got him you would have said hell no right?

As a matter of fact, yes.

-Slap-

07-24-2005, 07:34 PM

Who dug this ****ing thread up? Wasnt this posted originally like months ago?

All my threads are classics.

Rock Chalk

07-24-2005, 07:36 PM

Well I wanted to vote and it wouldnt let me than I started reading and noticed I had a few posts in this thread and then remember, wtf mate? This was a long time ago.

And it wasnt a classic. Everyone and their mom knows TNS has the best takes of any rival fan. Thats just not even in dispute.

-Slap-

07-24-2005, 07:39 PM

Crushaholic

07-24-2005, 10:10 PM

Who dug this ****ing thread up? Wasnt this posted originally like months ago?

Welcome back, Alec... :woowoo:

FADERPROOF

07-25-2005, 12:17 AM

Yea, I bet you are gonna tell me next that if the Donks could have got him you would have said hell no right?

I'm sure he would say hell no, considering crazyhorse is a Chiefs fan.

OrangeShadow

07-25-2005, 05:24 AM

bobs akc fan so for that fact alone im saying oakland. because bob is a complete dumbass and takes what credibility that kc fans had and throws it out the window

Raiders Rock

07-25-2005, 06:41 AM

I'm sure he would say hell no, considering crazyhorse is a Chiefs fan.

Donks,.... Cheaps..... whats the difference

crazyhorse

07-25-2005, 06:45 AM

Donks,.... Cheaps..... whats the difference

The difference is, that you stand a chance of beating the Broncos this year.

Raiders Rock

07-25-2005, 06:52 AM

The difference is, that you stand a chance at beating the Broncos this year.

Look little cheefy weefy, I am sick of the CHEAP promises every year and you guys not delivering.

The Cheaps are the ULTIMATE choke job in the NFL and has been for a long time, I hate the DOnks, despise them but they have actually competed well most years, now for the Cheaps, had the best damn team in the NFL and get punked on their HOME TURF by a team that doesn't even play on grass.

So win a few playoff games and then come on back in here with your Tony Gonzales jersey on and poke yuor chest out.... But until then, you sit down and hush while the Men Folk are talking..... Savvy?

RukdaFaidas

07-25-2005, 07:12 AM

Look little cheefy weefy, I am sick of the CHEAP promises every year and you guys not delivering.

The Cheaps are the ULTIMATE choke job in the NFL and has been for a long time, I hate the DOnks, despise them but they have actually competed well most years, now for the Cheaps, had the best damn team in the NFL and get punked on their HOME TURF by a team that doesn't even play on grass.

So win a few playoff games and then come on back in here with your Tony Gonzales jersey on and poke yuor chest out.... But until then, you sit down and hush while the Men Folk are talking..... Savvy?
Heh, the Raiders are our bitches.
The Chiefs record vs. the Raiders since 1990......23 and 8

RukdaFaidas

07-25-2005, 07:14 AM

Heh, the Raiders are our b****es.
The Chiefs record vs. the Raiders since 1990......23 and 8
BTW, the '90's were interesting. We dominated the Raiders, the Raiders dominated the Broncos and the Broncos dominated the Chiefs. It was a vicious circle.

crazyhorse

07-25-2005, 07:31 AM

Look little cheefy weefy, I am sick of the CHEAP promises every year and you guys not delivering.

The Cheaps are the ULTIMATE choke job in the NFL and has been for a long time, I hate the DOnks, despise them but they have actually competed well most years, now for the Cheaps, had the best damn team in the NFL and get punked on their HOME TURF by a team that doesn't even play on grass.

So win a few playoff games and then come on back in here with your Tony Gonzales jersey on and poke yuor chest out.... But until then, you sit down and hush while the Men Folk are talking..... Savvy?

Didn't we sweep you ladies last year?

4-12 Raider fans talking smack? That's cute.

Please understand however, I'm not laughing with you, I am laughing at you.