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bronco0608
08-15-2010, 12:22 PM
Denver has lost its last two September games in Florida. Miami trounced us in 2005 and Jacksonville beat us in 2003, I believe.

It has to be tough to train in high altitudes all off season and then play in a sauna against other professional athletes who have been training in those conditions all summer. It might not be the biggest edge, but its an edge nonetheless.

If I remember correctly, our guys we dropping like flys and looked dead against Miami in 2005.

Hopefully we can gut out a win, but its going to be tough. Nothing like 100 degree weather feeling like 115 degrees to make a team perform at less than its peak especially when they are not use to it.

Thoughts

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2010, 12:24 PM
If you are a professional athlete and cannot prepare your body to perform the job its supposed to do, then you deserve to lose.

bronco0608
08-15-2010, 12:25 PM
If you are a professional athlete and cannot prepare your body to perform the job its supposed to do, then you deserve to lose.

Kind of like Tampa Bay being 1-30 against Green Bay in Green Bay or something like that.

Conditions effect performance, no doubt about that. Lets be real.

WolfpackGuy
08-15-2010, 12:28 PM
Avoid turnovers and convert third downs.

Oh, and lots of fluids.

I believe that loss to JAX was in 2004 when the Broncos were driving for the win late and Griffin fumbled himself to the bench.

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2010, 12:30 PM
Kind of like Tampa Bay being 1-30 against Green Bay in Green Bay or something like that.

Conditions effect performance, no doubt about that. Lets be real.

Yes, and the reality is that people do as little as they have to to prepare.

Dagmar
08-15-2010, 12:34 PM
If you are a professional athlete and cannot prepare your body to perform the job its supposed to do, then you deserve to lose.

/thread

(you're on fire today bud)

It's exactly the same as the bull**** that people can't perform here because of the altitude. You are paid MILLIONS to perform. Heat/height are not excuses.

OBF1
08-15-2010, 12:37 PM
Is that the best excuse you have for Bronco failure???

Blart
08-15-2010, 12:37 PM
The professionals on the other side are preparing just as much, except they have the advantage of preparing in their own climate.

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2010, 12:41 PM
The professionals on the other side are preparing just as much, except they have the advantage of preparing in their own climate.

That was my point.

bronco0608
08-15-2010, 12:46 PM
Come on, we are 0 and 7 ALL TIME in Miami. 0 and 7. And have we ever won in Jacksonville when it was above 90 degrees? I don't believe so.

Humidity is a bitch. A real bitch.

There has to be some kind of correlation.

bronco0608
08-15-2010, 12:49 PM
Snipits from the 2005 game in Miami:

But as often happens in early season games in Miami, the visitors wilted in the sweltering weather. Denver cornerbacks Darrent Williams (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=7232) and Lenny Walls (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=6199) went to the sideline with cramps, and the Dolphins scored touchdowns on three consecutive possessions in the second half.


"We're in this heat for 2 hours every day, and we used it to our advantage today," McMichael said.

"We knew it was going to be difficult to come in here and deal with the elements in their backyard," said coach Mike Shanahan, now 10-3 in season openers with Denver and Oakland.

It was a long day for the Broncos. They lost cornerback Champ Bailey and running back Mike Anderson (http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/players/profile?statsId=5218) to injuries, wilted in the 90-degree South Florida heat and fell to 0-7 in Miami.

Gcver2ver3
08-15-2010, 12:51 PM
Come on, we are 0 and 7 ALL TIME in Miami. 0 and 7. And have we ever won in Jacksonville when it was above 90 degrees? I don't believe so.

Humidity is a b****. A real b****.

There has to be some kind of correlation.

in 05 we beat jville in jville...but i don't know what the temp was...

Dagmar
08-15-2010, 12:51 PM
Is that the best excuse you have for Bronco failure???

What do you mean? I think his point is it's no excuse.

WolfpackGuy
08-15-2010, 12:51 PM
Tom Coughlin used to b**** all the time when he was in JAX about weather bias.

Around that time, the league started scheduling Florida teams more September games when possible so they could get a climate advantage.

Also, visiting teams usually have to wear their home dark jerseys.

The flipside is if you're MIA, you could be stuck playing at NE or BUF in December...

bronco0608
08-15-2010, 12:57 PM
in 05 we beat jville in jville...but i don't know what the temp was...

Got to love the internet. Snipits from that 2005 game in October:

The Broncos won their third straight despite coming off a Monday night victory against Kansas City and improved to 3-10 in Florida. They had been 0-2 in Jacksonville.

Denver caught a break with the weather when it rained before and during the game, cooling temperatures and alleviating problems typically caused by heat and humidity.

bap454
08-15-2010, 01:11 PM
Hold the phone.....Tebow played in Florida! Does this swing the advantage our way??

Dagmar
08-15-2010, 01:12 PM
Hold the phone.....Tebow played in Florida! Does this swing the advantage our way??

Who is this "Tebow" you speak of??

broncosteven
08-15-2010, 01:41 PM
in 05 we beat jville in jville...but i don't know what the temp was...

Wasn't that a night game? either Sunday or Monday night?

Mogulseeker
08-15-2010, 01:50 PM
We won in Jacksonville in 2005. I know cause I was at the game.

ZachKC
08-15-2010, 01:58 PM
It has been the hottest summer in these parts that I can remember. I don't know if it is worth in Florida than normal but ****...its just been ****ing hot and humid everywhere here in KC. Blah.

GreatBronco16
08-15-2010, 02:14 PM
You know, I've been here in the deep south all my life, and I can stand this heat and humidity about as much as the next person no matter where they live or are from.

Trust me, the guys will be ready for the heat. If they aren't, then that is their fault and the coaches fault.

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2010, 02:25 PM
You know, I've been here in the deep south all my life, and I can stand this heat and humidity about as much as the next person no matter where they live or are from.

Trust me, the guys will be ready for the heat. If they aren't, then that is their fault and the coaches fault.

Yep. As someone who did two-a-days in 100 degree Texas weather and played competitive soccer tournaments over the summer where you sometimes played two games a day over the span of 3 days...it comes down to conditioning.

These teams do not condition the same ways and dont put the same emphasis on it. Teams with top-notch conditioning will win games where the weather is an issue.

HAT
08-15-2010, 02:28 PM
Denver has lost its last two September games in Florida. Miami trounced us in 2005 and Jacksonville beat us in 2003, I believe.


Denver, under McD, is 0-0 in Florida in September. WTF cares what happened 5 years ago?

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Pontius Pirate
08-15-2010, 02:49 PM
Yep. As someone who did two-a-days in 100 degree Texas weather and played competitive soccer tournaments over the summer where you sometimes played two games a day over the span of 3 days...it comes down to conditioning.

These teams do not condition the same ways and dont put the same emphasis on it. Teams with top-notch conditioning will win games where the weather is an issue.

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Gcver2ver3
08-15-2010, 02:58 PM
Wasn't that a night game? either Sunday or Monday night?

naw, it was a day game...

i had recorded it and watched it a dozen or so times later into the year...

that was the game dwayne carswell caught two short td passes from plummer...

denver's secondary dominated without the help of an injured champ bailey (i think)...foxworth had a big day...

LRtagger
08-15-2010, 03:00 PM
I live in Raleigh and work frequently in south Florida. This year by far has been more brutal in Raleigh. It's been in the upper 90's with a heat index well over 100. I go down to Florida for work and it's in the mid to upper 80s and mild.

I havent been to Denver during camp, but I have been hearing that it has been incredibly hot. Don't know if it will be as much of a factor this year in the Jax game.

Plus we have a lot more depth this year than we have in year's past. Should be easier to sub out guys that need breaks.

Broncoman13
08-15-2010, 03:34 PM
Tebow will take over and he seems to flourish in those conditions.

Perhaps we'll get lucky and there will be some thunderstorms just before kickoff and cool the weather down to a tolerable 85 or so!

Denver has lost its last two September games in Florida. Miami trounced us in 2005 and Jacksonville beat us in 2003, I believe.

It has to be tough to train in high altitudes all off season and then play in a sauna against other professional athletes who have been training in those conditions all summer. It might not be the biggest edge, but its an edge nonetheless.

If I remember correctly, our guys we dropping like flys and looked dead against Miami in 2005.

Hopefully we can gut out a win, but its going to be tough. Nothing like 100 degree weather feeling like 115 degrees to make a team perform at less than its peak especially when they are not use to it.

Thoughts

Zoobie
08-15-2010, 03:43 PM
Is it an excuse to lose games? No.

Does it have an effect on players? Of course it does, and being well conditioned still cannot fully prepare you for the heat/humidity I don't care what you say. Even the best of atheletes succumb to it, there is only so much you can do to "prepare". If they all had weather machines in their facilities to simulate the climate down there, then yes, I'd say it's their fault...but it's not.

errand
08-15-2010, 03:50 PM
Avoid turnovers and convert third downs.

Oh, and lots of fluids.

I believe that loss to JAX was in 2004 when the Broncos were driving for the win late and Griffin fumbled himself to the bench.

We beat Jax in Jax the following season in early Oct...as a former Jax resident, I can tell you it's almost as hot and humid then as it is in early Sept.

errand
08-15-2010, 03:52 PM
in 05 we beat jville in jville...but i don't know what the temp was...

I went to the '04 and '05 game in Jax. Both days were hot, although it did shower for about 5-6 minutes in the '05 game.

WolfpackGuy
08-15-2010, 03:55 PM
We beat Jax in Jax the following season in early Oct...as a former Jax resident, I can tell you it's almost as hot and humid then as it is in early Sept.

Oh, no doubt.

I remember Sauerbrun nearly killing a security guard with a kickoff out of the endzone in the 2005 game.

LOL

azbroncfan
08-15-2010, 03:59 PM
They shouldn't even play the game.

uplink
08-15-2010, 04:20 PM
bring in Tebow at select times to flip the momentum of the game.

GreatBronco16
08-15-2010, 04:29 PM
I went to the '04 and '05 game in Jax. Both days were hot, although it did shower for about 5-6 minutes in the '05 game.

I'm not sure how it is in other places of the country, but down here, if it is a hot day, then you get a shower, when that rain is done, the humidity jumps through the roof making it worse then what it just was. While it does cool down while it is raining, it's when it stops that it gets bad.

Either way, the temp is not an excuse.

broncosteven
08-15-2010, 04:35 PM
bring in Tebow at select times to flip the momentum of the game.

Did we draft Tebow?

uplink
08-15-2010, 04:39 PM
Did we draft Tebow?

He drafted us.

mwill07
08-15-2010, 08:38 PM
I was at that '05 game in Miami...it was brutally hot. It was so hot that I couldn't drink beer, as hard as that is to believe. They gave out mini-towels at the game and I kept mine soaking wet, tucked under my hat and around the back of my neck. I had to go re-soak it maybe once a quarter. I vowed at that time to never go to another game in Florida in September.

Rock Chalk
08-15-2010, 08:56 PM
Tebow will take over and he seems to flourish in those conditions.

Perhaps we'll get lucky and there will be some thunderstorms just before kickoff and cool the weather down to a tolerable 85 or so!

Alex come on man you know better.

Right after the rain the ****ing humidity is WORSE down here. Its downright miserable after it rains in the deep south.

The Gulf coast is teh second most humid place on Earth next to only the Amazon and the stifling air drains even the best conditioned athletes.

Im not making any excuses but there is a reason Miami wins in September a lot in their own house against ALL competition. There is also a reason they lose a lot in December in places where it snows like NE, Buff and NY.

Acclimation to a climate takes months and those that live in a particular climate have an advantage over people that do not. That doesnt mean that team is GOING to win, but it most certainly gives them an advantage, particularly late in the game. Miami/Jax/Tampa all have advantages in September because by then, places up north are starting to cool off but not in the Deep South.

People complain about the altitude in Denver and it gives Denver an advantage, particularly late in games. It doesnt always = wins but it IS an advantage and it HELPS. Same with the Florida teams in the Early fall/Late summer and the Northern teams in the late fall/and winter.

spdirty
08-15-2010, 08:56 PM
I think if Jax wears their white unis, we should come out with our orange unis. Would be better than dark blue.

azbroncfan
08-15-2010, 09:00 PM
I think if Jax wears their white unis, we should come out with our orange unis. Would be better than dark blue.

Jax definately will wear white.

spdirty
08-15-2010, 09:00 PM
And its absolute total ****in bull**** that here we are, for the 6th straight year opening on the road. Starting to think the only way we will be able to open at home is to win the Super Bowl.

spdirty
08-15-2010, 09:02 PM
Jax definately will wear white.

Then why not wear the orange? I know it doesnt absorb the heat like dark blue does. Or it reflects the heat better than dark blue. Or whatever. Its just better to wear in the heat than dark blue.

azbroncfan
08-15-2010, 09:06 PM
Then why not wear the orange? I know it doesnt absorb the heat like dark blue does. Or it reflects the heat better than dark blue. Or whatever. Its just better to wear in the heat than dark blue.

Yeah they could but then again no matter what you wear it will be hotter than hell white or black.

ColoradoDarin
08-15-2010, 09:25 PM
This year hasn't been quite as hot as last year - said above Raleigh has been hotter than Jax. Then again, August wasn't as bad as October last year, it was 95 and humid on Halloween. We're going to the game, I'm preparing for the worst :) Go Broncos!

LongDongJohnson
08-15-2010, 09:46 PM
mcdaniels physical camp will have our boys ready for anything. coach shanny's resort camps made our team soft.