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Broncoman13
08-15-2010, 07:19 PM
Holy crap what a hit. Not even phased by it... I think he hurt the defender more. :)

I think Tebow got hurt on that final play. He is favoring his left hand/arm. Hopefully just bruised and it was a big time hit...both delivered and taken.

OABB
08-15-2010, 07:20 PM
Tebow is the second coming of elway... And Jesus.

Broncoman13
08-15-2010, 07:20 PM
My favorites tonite the first team O and D, and the old man sportin the Tebow do

Oh and the Boobies

WHat boobies?

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2010, 07:21 PM
Not a bad showing for Tebows first game. Still needs work on his motion but if it works who cares if its ugly.

His throwing motion doesnt look all that different from Cutler's, albeit with the other hand.

Steve Sewell
08-15-2010, 07:22 PM
Not a bad showing for Tebows first game. Still needs work on his motion but if it works who cares if its ugly.

It was pretty obvious that Tebow wasn't too comfortable out there. However, he had some really great long throws, and that scramble to the right throw across his body was a pro football big boy throw.

The MVPlaya
08-15-2010, 07:22 PM
His throwing motion doesnt look all that different from Cutler's, albeit with the other hand.

That's what I'm saying. It's not identical, but they kind of "load up" in similar fashions.

Ray Finkle
08-15-2010, 07:22 PM
By and large, I think they did a real nice job, considering the circumstances.

Really? I thought JD got blown up/pushed back a lot....

Rohirrim
08-15-2010, 07:22 PM
His throwing motion doesnt look all that different from Cutler's, albeit with the other hand.

On that sack he had the ball at his belt line.

Dukes
08-15-2010, 07:23 PM
His throwing motion doesnt look all that different from Cutler's, albeit with the other hand.

How dare you compare Tebow to a loser like Cutler!

Broncoman13
08-15-2010, 07:23 PM
I could care less what his motion looks like. He needs to improve his pre-snap reads. The pressure he was getting was easy to identify as the blitz was creeping up prior to the snap. Still, I'm happy with what we saw in his first live action. Couple drops by his receivers and a couple poor passes, but all in all he made some good plays and showed promise.

Los Broncos
08-15-2010, 07:23 PM
I lost connection at the end, Tebow run it in on the last play?

uplink
08-15-2010, 07:24 PM
That long Tebow throw on the last drive when he was rolling to his right was something. He didn't really break stride and sort of squared up is upper body, and throw a bullet. I guess this play and the td run will be playing on all the sports shows.

Broncochica
08-15-2010, 07:24 PM
I lost connection at the end, Tebow run it in on the last play?

Yep

Broncoman13
08-15-2010, 07:24 PM
Really? I thought JD got blown up/pushed back a lot....

Really? I thought Walton showed a ton of promise. Very little pressure coming up the middle. Happy with Beadles as well.

SoCalBronco
08-15-2010, 07:24 PM
No.

Face the truth.

It was almost...

can I say it?

It was Hillis-like.

See...that's what bothers me about the Quinn trade. There's something inherently awesome just from a conceptual point of view about having Tebow and Hillis in the same backfield. That's just inherently great.

gtown
08-15-2010, 07:24 PM
Timmy looking pretty good out there. Scary that his first TD was reminiscent of the Elway helicopter play.

Not bad accuracy, was pretty good in the short game (unlike reported in camp), holds the ball too damn long, and has that wind up, which could ultimately be his Achilles if he doesn't change it or quicken other parts of his delivery.

Can't help but root for this guy though.

OABB
08-15-2010, 07:24 PM
I am in love with tebow. Like in a gay way. A really really gay way.

elsid13
08-15-2010, 07:24 PM
Really? I thought JD got blown up/pushed back a lot....

Both the rookies did. They need to get their asses down better in pass protect.

Los Broncos
08-15-2010, 07:24 PM
Yep

Nice! You cant **** with the Tewboners!

Rohirrim
08-15-2010, 07:25 PM
See...that's what bothers me about the Quinn trade. There's something inherently awesome just from a conceptual point of view about having Tebow and Hillis in the same backfield. That's just inherently great.

I've always hated Quinn and I hated that trade.

Broncoman13
08-15-2010, 07:25 PM
I lost connection at the end, Tebow run it in on the last play?

Yes and took a huge hit but gave as much as he took. Vintage Tebow.

SoCalBronco
08-15-2010, 07:25 PM
Really? I thought JD got blown up/pushed back a lot....

He was alright for his first game. The run game would have been better if they had a real back in there. Walton had his ups and downs, but he was alot better than say.... Marek Malik.

Dukes
08-15-2010, 07:26 PM
I could care less what his motion looks like. He needs to improve his pre-snap reads. The pressure he was getting was easy to identify as the blitz was creeping up prior to the snap. Still, I'm happy with what we saw in his first live action. Couple drops by his receivers and a couple poor passes, but all in all he made some good plays and showed promise.

He definitly needs more time/help reading defenses. He played about how I expected. Showed flashes but struggled with typical rookie mistakes.

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2010, 07:26 PM
On that sack he had the ball at his belt line.

Cutler held the ball low as well, and lifted it up holding the ball on its top.

Ray Finkle
08-15-2010, 07:27 PM
He was alright for his first game. The run game would have been better if they had a real back in there. Walton had his ups and downs, but he was alot better than say.... Marek Malik.

coming from the guy that had Hall Gill on his team....

The MVPlaya
08-15-2010, 07:28 PM
On that sack he had the ball at his belt line.

http://blogs.suntimes.com/bears/jaysox.jpg

Broncoman13
08-15-2010, 07:28 PM
He definitly needs more time/help reading defenses. He played about how I expected. Showed flashes but struggled with typical rookie mistakes.

I thought the flashes were phenomenal though. The promise that he showed makes those mistakes easy to take.

Too many drops by our receivers. For all of Quinn's uglyness, he stepped up on one play and made a perfect pass. Couldn't have been placed any better.

Dukes
08-15-2010, 07:28 PM
Gotta say the camp reporters were spot on with thier analyis of Orton. He definitly looks better than last year and is leaps and bounds ahead of Quinn and Tebow

Broncoman13
08-15-2010, 07:30 PM
FYI for everyone, the Orange Mane Fantasy Football League is back! There is a thread stickied for everyone that is interested. We'll take up to 24 owners this year.

Broncoman13
08-15-2010, 07:31 PM
Oh, and Champ Bailey is still the friggin man. Dude looked phenomenal out there. I also thought McBath played decent ball. Any word on his injury?

Hercules Rockefeller
08-15-2010, 07:32 PM
I'm actually looking forward to seeing what Kyle can do with a healthy offense.

I never thought I would say something like that.

lostknight
08-15-2010, 07:32 PM
Tebow's stats: 8/13 105 yards, 1 sack, 1 TD - QB rating of 113.

SoCalBronco
08-15-2010, 07:32 PM
The throwing motion isn't as big a deal as learning pocket presence. He's gotta just get that clock right in his head....he takes about a second to a second and a half too long to make the decision. As he gets more reps in practice, hopefully it will speed up for him. As with any rookie QB, it's just way too fast right now. That's the biggest thing for him, not the throwing motion.

ro_50
08-15-2010, 07:32 PM
Oh, and Champ Bailey is still the friggin man. Dude looked phenomenal out there. I also thought McBath played decent ball. Any word on his injury?


Damn McBath got injured! Geez! I like that kid!

skunk
08-15-2010, 07:32 PM
I am in love with tebow. Like in a gay way. A really really gay way.

same

Rohirrim
08-15-2010, 07:34 PM
The throwing motion isn't as big a deal as learning pocket presence. He's gotta just get that clock right in his head....he takes about a second to a second and a half too long to make the decision. As he gets more reps in practice, hopefully it will speed up for him. As with any rookie QB, it's just way too fast right now. That's the biggest thing for him, not the throwing motion.

That's the oldest cliche in the NFL, the rookies just can't believe how fast these guys are until the get out there and play a few games. Then, comes the toughest phase of a pro's life: Adjusting to it. Can Timmy take his game up another notch? We'll see.

Dukes
08-15-2010, 07:36 PM
Tebow's stats: 8/13 105 yards, 1 sack, 1 TD - QB rating of 113.

Imagine if his recievers could catch.

The MVPlaya
08-15-2010, 07:37 PM
Tebow's stats: 8/13 105 yards, 1 sack, 1 TD - QB rating of 113.

87 rating, the TD was a rushing TD, has nothing to do with QB rating.

wolverine
08-15-2010, 07:41 PM
My first glimpse of Tebow in action. I was on the fence. Now, I'm a fan.

Dukes
08-15-2010, 07:42 PM
I didn't realize Tebow converted Mario Haggan into a missionary already.

lostknight
08-15-2010, 07:44 PM
87 rating, the TD was a rushing TD, has nothing to do with QB rating.

Yes, but the dropped TD's were also not his fault ;-)

SPfloppy
08-15-2010, 07:47 PM
I havn't been in here in a while and I just figured I'd poke my head in and see if SPDirty typed out an account of his orgasm when tebow scored.

epicSocialism4tw
08-15-2010, 07:48 PM
Tebow had the best first game of all the rookie QB's.

lostknight
08-15-2010, 07:50 PM
Tebow had the best first game of all the rookie QB's.

That's not particularly hard.

azbroncfan
08-15-2010, 07:57 PM
The throwing motion isn't as big a deal as learning pocket presence. He's gotta just get that clock right in his head....he takes about a second to a second and a half too long to make the decision. As he gets more reps in practice, hopefully it will speed up for him. As with any rookie QB, it's just way too fast right now. That's the biggest thing for him, not the throwing motion.

Yep exactly. It's not like he is making a quick decision and unable to get the ball away. He just needs reps and have guys blocking for him that aren't camp fodder.

Lev Vyvanse
08-15-2010, 07:57 PM
That's not particularly hard.

But my TeBowner is.

The MVPlaya
08-15-2010, 07:58 PM
Yes, but the dropped TD's were also not his fault ;-)

Then you should add like 60 70 yards to his pass yard total... he'll probably have a damn near perfect QB rating lol

bombay
08-15-2010, 07:59 PM
The first string QB looked very good. Hope they can get the line healthy.

The MVPlaya
08-15-2010, 07:59 PM
That's not particularly hard.

lol for a rookie QB, anything is kind of "hard" at this point of their careers.

You're on some real bull****. Hilarious!

dsmoot
08-15-2010, 08:01 PM
I thought the flashes were phenomenal though. The promise that he showed makes those mistakes easy to take.

Too many drops by our receivers. For all of Quinn's uglyness, he stepped up on one play and made a perfect pass. Couldn't have been placed any better.

To put it simply. He made some plays. That is a positive. I disagree with the earlier poster, for a first game, he didn't look as lost out there like others. The guy is a football player and I think he is more comfortable in his element. Sure there is much to learn and process but when things start breaking down, he becomes more comfortable.

SoDak Bronco
08-15-2010, 08:08 PM
nice game for Tebow, I thought he did a nice job of running the offense. Orton looked really good, loved how he was sliding in the pocket, he didn't do that very well last year.

Hulamau
08-15-2010, 08:23 PM
He's a ****ing monster.

Tebow is definately a Big Strong Dude! Not many QB that look like that. He's gonna leave a lot bruises on NFL defenses for years to come

Lev Vyvanse
08-15-2010, 08:54 PM
Why did Orton play for so long during the first preseason game? I was sure he was going to sit after that first TD.

The MVPlaya
08-15-2010, 09:08 PM
Why did Orton play for so long during the first preseason game? I was sure he was going to sit after that first TD.

Starters were scheduled to play 20-25 plays.

uplink
08-15-2010, 09:37 PM
Tebow ran the hurry up offense well for his first game experience and limited reps on the 3rd team.

uplink
08-15-2010, 09:40 PM
Orton looked really good, loved how he was sliding in the pocket, he didn't do that very well last year.

I read somewhere that he had a foot/ankle injury all last year and is healthy now. Helping with his throwing speed/distance and movement in the pocket.

Jay3
08-15-2010, 09:48 PM
Tebow looked awesome to me (considering it was his first ever appearance, in garbage time with no protection and dropped passes).

Orton looked awesome.

That's all I have to say about the quarterbacks.

enjolras
08-15-2010, 11:25 PM
I don't know.. I'm really worried about what I saw from Tebow tonight. The long wind-up was back. He wasn't throwing using his "new mechanics". As soon as he got into game speed he reverted straight back to his old throwing motion.

That's distressing. The almost-fumble would never have happened with a quicker release. He wound up (with the ball at his hip) and was in the middle of coming forward when he was hit. With better mechanics that ball is out of there before the defenders get to him.

That said... the kid definitely has leadership and all of those intangibles were on display.. There was a lot to like, I was just really hoping to see progress in terms of how he actually throws the ball. It looked so good in practice, I was really hoping it'd translate to the game.

I'm still really optimistic about his future... just a bit more realistic about his development than I was a few hours ago I guess.

enjolras
08-15-2010, 11:34 PM
Oh and I just went through and watched the whole game focusing on just Walton/Beadles.

I was really impressed by Walton. I'm not sure how anyone could have thought he was being pushed around. It was maybe 4 or 5 plays were he ceded ground from what I could tell. His run blocking is outstanding, and he managed his blocking assignments REALLY well. He switched well, got into proper double-teams, and really played well I thought.

Beadles looks to be more of a project. He was a lot more good than bad, but on a couple of occasions was turned sideways. Run blocking was also very good on his side of the ball, he's really aggressive. It's really fun watching him and Walton just go nuts.

That said, he was moved backwards on several plays. He missed a couple of blocking assignments and really didn't seem to have a good grasp of the offense at all. There were a couple of screens that looked just dreadful.

I think Walton is going to be an excellent starter this year, and I have nothing but optimism for Beadles coming out of this. He just needs some coaching and needs to adjust to the speed of the NFL game a bit (which isn't surprising considering where he played his college ball).

~Crash~
08-15-2010, 11:43 PM
Oh and I just went through and watched the whole game focusing on just Walton/Beadles.

I was really impressed by Walton. I'm not sure how anyone could have thought he was being pushed around. It was maybe 4 or 5 plays were he ceded ground from what I could tell. His run blocking is outstanding, and he managed his blocking assignments REALLY well. He switched well, got into proper double-teams, and really played well I thought.

Beadles looks to be more of a project. He was a lot more good than bad, but on a couple of occasions was turned sideways. Run blocking was also very good on his side of the ball, he's really aggressive. It's really fun watching him and Walton just go nuts.

That said, he was moved backwards on several plays. He missed a couple of blocking assignments and really didn't seem to have a good grasp of the offense at all. There were a couple of screens that looked just dreadful.

I think Walton is going to be an excellent starter this year, and I have nothing but optimism for Beadles coming out of this. He just needs some coaching and needs to adjust to the speed of the NFL game a bit (which isn't surprising considering where he played his college ball).

yep that Utah bunch was just sucky up against the SCC Ha!

Swedish Extrovert
08-15-2010, 11:53 PM
Tebow looked awesome to me (considering it was his first ever appearance, in garbage time with no protection and dropped passes).

Orton looked awesome.

That's all I have to say about the quarterbacks.

Tebow had great protection. And he was playing Cincy's third team. Don't jizzz... in.... your... pants just yet.

The MVPlaya
08-16-2010, 03:07 AM
tebow had great protection. and he was playing cincy's third team. Don't jizzz... In.... Your... Pants just yet.

Hilarious!

TonyR
08-16-2010, 09:05 AM
A deeper look at Tim Tebow's mechanics in his debut.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Upon-Further-Review-Tebow-s-first-game?urn=nfl-262659

Tebow's ability to generate ratings has local stations giving people Tebow haircuts.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15790010

Brandon Lloyd played with the starters in Denver, catching three passes. Brandon Stokley only played with the second team.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15790486

Denver's pass rush sans Elvis Dumervil got off to a weak start.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15789126

Broncos S Darrell McBath may have suffered a serious arm injury.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15790428

The calls have already started to demote QB Brady Quinn.
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/15727/denver-should-promote-tebow-demote-quinn

Hercules Rockefeller
08-16-2010, 09:22 AM
Broncos S Darrell McBath may have suffered a serious arm injury.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15790428


That's not what it says. It says he suffered the most serious injury of the night, hurt his thumb but didn't fracture it. The article didn't say it was a serious injury.

Broncoman13
08-16-2010, 06:56 PM
Good mews om McBath then. Was a little worried about him. This is going to be a great team! McBath and Champ at safety, cox, Goodman and Smith at CB. Strong DL, LBs that have two probowl Caliber players. A revamped OL. Strong set of receivers.

You get another LB that can get after the QB, another RB that can push Moreno and Buck, a TE and another CB. Figure you can get a good RB in free agency Reggie Bush, and then a good CB or TE in the draft and finally one more pass rushing LB in Draft or FA. The really good news... Since we don't have huge areas to address with mulitple players like the o and d lines this year, we can spend on some marquee talent. A guy like Shawn Merriman to go opposite of Doom would be nasty.... Not that Ayers can be nasty himself. A TE like Owen Daniels (if we throw to them more). Anyhow, the point is, we are slowly getting to the point of adding onesie twosies to pit this team over the top. $40m going to 8 different players gets you some decent players. $40m over 4 or 5 players gives you the Dansbys, the BMarshalls, the Julius Peppers and so on. Scheme will take you only so far then the more talented teams take over. See it with the Chargers, Cowboys, and Vikings every year. No matter how slow they start you know it will come together when it counts! That is what talent does that scheme cannot.

Swedish Extrovert
08-17-2010, 09:13 PM
Watching the replay on NFLN right now.

Bengals announcer, "Ochocinco beats Champ Bailey - who's a pretty good corner - on that one. "

Hilarious!

baja
08-17-2010, 09:30 PM
Watching the replay on NFLN right now.

Bengals announcer, "Ochocinco beats Champ Bailey - who's a pretty good corner - on that one. "

Hilarious!

thanks for the heads up

epicSocialism4tw
08-17-2010, 09:31 PM
Watching the replay on NFLN right now.

Bengals announcer, "Ochocinco beats Champ Bailey - who's a pretty good corner - on that one. "

Hilarious!

Cool. I'll be up late working...thanks for letting us know!

baja
08-17-2010, 09:36 PM
what I want to know is how is Hillis doing....

Obushma
08-17-2010, 10:54 PM
(which isn't surprising considering where he played his college ball).

Yeah, considering Utah tied for 3rd with number of players taken in the draft this year @ 6, that has got to be one of the most ignorant college football posts i've seen on this board. I guess Mike Anderson, Jordan Gross, and Steve Smith all needed some great coaching after escaping that disaster of a program in Utah.

enjolras
08-18-2010, 11:55 AM
Yeah, considering Utah tied for 3rd with number of players taken in the draft this year @ 6, that has got to be one of the most ignorant college football posts i've seen on this board. I guess Mike Anderson, Jordan Gross, and Steve Smith all needed some great coaching after escaping that disaster of a program in Utah.

I just knew that comment was going to draw exactly this response. I like Utah and I enjoy the Mountain West, but when it comes to caliber of athelete it's not quite the same as something like the SEC. Utah has a great coaching staff and has developed some really nice players. The caliber of the competition they play every week just isn't top-notch.

My point is that Beadles is not used to playing at anything approximating NFL game speed, and coming out of the Mountain West certainly contributes to that. I think Utah has a great program, but there is a reason they jumped at the chance to move into the Pac-10. I don't think a player coming out of Utah can't develop into a great pro, but they are always going to be a fraction of a step behind someone coming out of a program like Florida or Texas. That doesn't mean they ultimately won't be successful, they just have a slightly longer period of adjustment to make.

It's just the way it is.

Obushma
08-18-2010, 01:00 PM
The guy treated Mt Cody (2008 All American) like a rag doll, and lead his team to four bowl victories as a four year starter. Yet he is less ready then his counterpart from Baylor, because Baylor was tossed around the field by the Big 12 south?

Yeah, that slow Mountain West game speed sure did show in that ass whooping Utah put on Alabama...Those SEC guys kicked their butts up and down the field. OU looked real solid against that slow MWC speed of BYU last year(as much as I hate to say it). I understand you don't know much about MWC football, or Utah football more specifically, and I don't blame you, but you're wrong. Previous coaching and work ethic go as much into play when looking for a future NFL player as competition played. I mean for ****s sake, look what happened to Cody, SEC DT, All American, isn't doing **** in the NFL. It must have been when they played Utah he lost focus because of the lower level of competition.

enjolras
08-19-2010, 10:33 AM
Dear Utah Fan:

I just don't know how I can make this any clearer. Utah has a great program. However, if you think CSU, Wyoming, and the rest of the MWC plays at anything resembling the speed of the bigger conferences, well you're out of your flipping mind.

That Utah comes out and plays so well against tougher competition is a testament to the coaching staff. However, playing in that conference leaves you slightly less prepared for playing at NFL game speed.

Notice I didn't say "You can never be a good pro coming out of Utah." You are apparently so used to be incredibly defensive that it's apparently what you want to hear. It's not at all what I'm saying.

I am saying that there is going to be a slightly longer adjustment period for a player coming out of the MWC than for players coming out of the bigger conference that sport better atheletes all around. It was apparent during the game that Beadles just wasn't used to playing at the speed of the NFL yet. I'm not saying he won't be. I'm sure as hell not saying he can't.

I think Beadles received some of the best coaching in college football. I think he has the tools and the skills to be a great NFL pro. If you would actually read what I wrote instead of jumping into "Utah just doesn't get any respect" mode you'd know that.

Hell, feel free to dig through my previous posts. You'll find that I thought Utah was the best team in College football a couple of years ago (I still stand by that).

Just accept that coming out of the MWC, a player just hasn't seen (week in and week out) the speed that other players at bigger schools have. That's going to change in two years when they join the Pac-10.