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lostknight
08-12-2010, 05:22 PM
Made it to camp this afternoon, Aug 12th. In general, this camp was dragging compared to many of the camps I have been too. Lots of red jerseys, lots of players walking a bit gingerly and no-one really running at full speed today. Not a lot to report, except that all three quarterbacks looked pretty poor today. Orton threw two picks, and B-dawk should have had a third. Tebow got more reps then Quinn in practice today, but also looked a bit shakey. He tried to force a ball into too tight a pocket, and should have been picked but was not. Quinn looked disasterous today. He had a long pass down the field that Brandon Lloyd came up with after a Tanya Harding pirouette. My back hurts just watch the reception. He also was picked off. In short, not a good day for any of the QB. Outside of that, just about everything was wild. Quinn doesn't seem to have progressed at all since the opening day of camp.

Alphonso Smith made one fairly spectacular read on a short slant from Tebow to Willis. Cox looked great in both special teams and on the field. B-Dawk was the only one there that I thought really put his heart and soul on the line, and really made four impressive plays including a amazing smackdown of a pass over the middle to Stokley.

Royal, Thomas, Decker didn't play today, and I got a strong feeling about how week the remaining W.R talent behind them. Brandon Lloyd was getting good separation, but Orton overthrew him twice, Quin once and Tebow once.

Fargas was on the field, but as the third running back behind Ball (who looked decent) and Hall (who didn't). Looked good in drills, but slipped on his first play on 9 on 7s, and didn't do anything spectacular.

I've noticed that they are using Spencer Larsen more this year, and the trend continued. He has several solid receptions, and a solid catch. Good times.

First team ran mostly 3-4, second team mostly 4-3, probably to get the teams familar with Cinci's defensive line.

tsiguy96
08-12-2010, 05:31 PM
to be fair, bdawk has had more time off than the other guys, he might have a little more fire behind him today. that and hes awesome.

Jay3
08-12-2010, 05:38 PM
Tebow got more reps then Quinn in practice today, but also looked a bit shakey. He tried to force a ball into too tight a pocket, and should have been picked but was not.

Care to elaborate on the "shakey?"

Broncoman13
08-12-2010, 06:03 PM
For those of you that are wondering about the red jerseys (and not sure if Lostknight know or not?) but that is the Bengals team designator. Usually you'll see the other team's top players on defense or offense. For example, last year when we were getting ready to play the Niners we had a guy wearing Frank Gore's number running expected plays. Yesterday we had three guys wearing #s, I think it was Rivers, Mauluga and Odom maybe (not sure about the 3rd). Anyhow, they install the offense and make sure those guys are accounted for, thus the red jerseys.

Hogan11
08-12-2010, 06:17 PM
A below spectacular Tebow accounting, I'm utterly shocked.

Oh well, Quinn still sucks and Cox is still great, so the norm wasn't rocked all that much.

Dedhed
08-12-2010, 06:24 PM
Sorry, but this smacks of hearing a recap of a presidential debate. Purely subjective company line lip flapping.

watermock
08-12-2010, 06:35 PM
Cox seems to be putting Fonzie to shame.

Where did we get him, draft or Miami or ??

misturanderson
08-12-2010, 06:44 PM
Cox seems to be putting Fonzie to shame.

Where did we get him, draft or Miami or ??

Johnsonville.

Sweater?

Broncoman13
08-12-2010, 07:03 PM
Cox seems to be putting Fonzie to shame.

Where did we get him, draft or Miami or ??

Oklahoma St. Widely considered one of the premiere cover guys coming out of college but he was suspended and has had some off the field issues that caused him to slide significantly on draft day. Think of him as the CB version of Dez Bryant. I believe we drafted him in either the 4th or 5th round this year and so far he has been great on the field... other than getting SMOKED yesterday by a veteran double move (Lloyd).

Broncoman13
08-12-2010, 07:05 PM
Oh, and let me just say that if Alphonso Smith is our 5th CB... we are FRIGGIN DEEP!!! Smith may be a little further down the depth chart right now but that doesn't mean he can't play. The guy is making plays.

lostknight
08-12-2010, 07:17 PM
Yes, I should have added the disclaimer of injury jerseys not Bengal Jerseys. Those came out to play as well. Tebow had two underthrown balls, and one that he tried to rifle between a few defenders. Most of the reps for all the QB's were rushing plays. I can't honestly say if Orton or Tebow looked better today, but they both looked better then Quinn. The Tebow haters gonna hate, so no surprise there.

Alphonso Smith looks great - when he is recovering from his early mistake. He makes great diving passes on the ball, but that's after he let the WR get away.

I felt far more comfortable with our WR depth prior to today. Getting Eddie, DT and Decker back will be a good thing.

Dedhed
08-12-2010, 07:28 PM
Yes, I should have added the disclaimer of injury jerseys not Bengal Jerseys. Those came out to play as well.
Nice backpedal.

lostknight
08-12-2010, 07:31 PM
Nice backpedal.

WTF asshole? Do you really have nothing better to do then sneer at people who take time out to report the practice today? Yes, there were too jerseys, because one of the injured red-shirts was wearing a second red jersey over their injury "do not tackle" jersey.

Jay3
08-12-2010, 07:36 PM
A second jersey on the grassy knoll? Sounds suspicious.

Dedhed
08-12-2010, 07:37 PM
WTF a-hole? Do you really have nothing better to do then sneer at people who take time out to report the practice today? Yes, there were too jerseys, because one of the injured red-shirts was wearing a second red jersey over their injury "do not tackle" jersey.
I appreciate the report, just not the obvious biases.

lostknight
08-12-2010, 07:40 PM
I appreciate the report, just not the obvious biases.

Check my posts, here and on the official forum. I've been nothing but effusive of my praise for both Orton (called him the most accurate passer, clear starter, taking more shots downfield, better condition) and Tebow (day 1 panic, stepping up, good long range control, very elusive in the pocket, best arm). I've not had much to say about Quinn - he's kinda in no man's land with a stronger arm then Orton, but not as good as Tebow, better technique then Tebow, but no where near Orton. Quinn's the forgotten man

I also praised Smith day 1, bashed him most of my other posts.

I think you mean to say that you don't like that my opinions at camp don't jive with yours at home.

epicSocialism4tw
08-12-2010, 07:52 PM
I appreciate the report, just not the obvious biases.

Then do us all a favor and keep it to yourself.

Let this guy share his report in peace.

DHallblows
08-12-2010, 08:09 PM
then do us all a favor and keep it to yourself.

Let this guy share his report in peace.

+1

Broncoman13
08-12-2010, 08:20 PM
Check my posts, here and on the official forum. I've been nothing but effusive of my praise for both Orton (called him the most accurate passer, clear starter, taking more shots downfield, better condition) and Tebow (day 1 panic, stepping up, good long range control, very elusive in the pocket, best arm). I've not had much to say about Quinn - he's kinda in no man's land with a stronger arm then Orton, but not as good as Tebow, better technique then Tebow, but no where near Orton. Quinn's the forgotten man

I also praised Smith day 1, bashed him most of my other posts.

I think you mean to say that you don't like that my opinions at camp don't jive with yours at home.

That is pretty much what I thought yesterday as well. Though I was impressed with Quinn a few times as he got the ball out right as his back foot hit the ground. His arm strength is about the same as Orton's. Tebow's is far greater than any of them, just has to figure out how to tighten his balls up.

Broncoman13
08-12-2010, 08:21 PM
then do us all a favor and keep it to yourself.

Let this guy share his report in peace.

ditttttto!

lostknight
08-12-2010, 08:22 PM
I really have a sense that Orton's regressed the last week - including last Sunday's scrimmage. That was by far worse then any of his practices, and he looked worse today. It's probably just the grind of camp, but asking Orton to make more downfield passes is going to result in more interceptions.

Jay3
08-12-2010, 08:38 PM
I really have a sense that Orton's regressed the last week - including last Sunday's scrimmage. That was by far worse then any of his practices, and he looked worse today. It's probably just the grind of camp, but asking Orton to make more downfield passes is going to result in more interceptions.

I worry a bit about Orton's overall physicality, his overall stamina and strength when the hits start coming.

He's mentally tough, but he's not physically dominant overall.

theAPAOps5
08-12-2010, 08:48 PM
Cox seems to be putting Fonzie to shame.

Where did we get him, draft or Miami or ??

No, not really.

theAPAOps5
08-12-2010, 08:50 PM
I really have a sense that Orton's regressed the last week - including last Sunday's scrimmage. That was by far worse then any of his practices, and he looked worse today. It's probably just the grind of camp, but asking Orton to make more downfield passes is going to result in more interceptions.

Well then he looked great last week because he looked damn good yesterday compared to last years camp. He looked comfortable and confident. Its his line that has me worried.

SoCalBronco
08-12-2010, 08:51 PM
Thank you for your report. Much appreciated. :)

theAPAOps5
08-12-2010, 08:51 PM
I appreciate the report, just not the obvious biases.

Dude take that weak ass stuff elsewhere. Pathetic.

Requiem
08-12-2010, 08:53 PM
McApa,

Based on your observations, who do you feel has the inside track to the nickel job? From almost all reports, Cox has been extremely impressive -- and Smith hasn't been slouching either.

Thank you in advance,

Shelby from Oregon

theAPAOps5
08-12-2010, 08:56 PM
Man based on reports and what Alex and I saw its not going to be Smith. He hasn't had a bad camp from the reports and he looked very good yesterday but he wasn't playing as the 5th and really hasn't been. The coaches get paid what they get paid to make the decisions but it just doesn't seem to compute to me or Alex.

Steve Sewell
08-12-2010, 08:58 PM
Sorry, but this smacks of hearing a recap of a presidential debate. Purely subjective company line lip flapping.

I especially liked the reference to players running around gingerly and/or limping in the first couple of sentences. Clearly an objective TC report.

Broncoman13
08-12-2010, 09:33 PM
Players were limping around or sitting out. It's that time of camp when the players bodies are shot. I can remember talking with Bly a couple years ago and I asked him how the legs were feeling. He said," man they're shot, I'll trade you (legs)". Which I promptly responded with," only if we can trade paychecks too!". He laughed and I was ready to explain that there were only a couple 0's different! ;). Point being, guys limping around should be expected.

As for who our nickel back is going to be, I'd guess Cox, Smitj and Jones in that order, though right now it looks like Jones is ahead of Smith and the coaches may be hesitant to play a rookie against some very good slot receivers in the NFL. So for that matter, it will probably be Jones. Plus he looks to be the best on blitzes. All three are decent but Smith and Cox show the ability to be 1 or 2s.

Hulamau
08-12-2010, 11:29 PM
Yes, I should have added the disclaimer of injury jerseys not Bengal Jerseys. Those came out to play as well. Tebow had two underthrown balls, and one that he tried to rifle between a few defenders. Most of the reps for all the QB's were rushing plays. I can't honestly say if Orton or Tebow looked better today, but they both looked better then Quinn. The Tebow haters gonna hate, so no surprise there.

Alphonso Smith looks great - when he is recovering from his early mistake. He makes great diving passes on the ball, but that's after he let the WR get away.

I felt far more comfortable with our WR depth prior to today. Getting Eddie, DT and Decker back will be a good thing.

Dont forget Gaffney, he's been the unflashy but steady glue keeping 'the solid' in our WR corp since he got here.

The MVPlaya
08-12-2010, 11:31 PM
I really have a sense that Orton's regressed the last week - including last Sunday's scrimmage. That was by far worse then any of his practices, and he looked worse today. It's probably just the grind of camp, but asking Orton to make more downfield passes is going to result in more interceptions.

Asking ANY quartback to make more downfield passes will result in more interceptions... smh.

BlaK-Argentina
08-12-2010, 11:39 PM
Cool report, thanks!

Is it sunday yet?

RonDaChamp24
08-12-2010, 11:47 PM
+1

+ Infinity

Rock Chalk
08-13-2010, 05:29 AM
Asking ANY quartback to make more downfield passes will result in more interceptions... smh.

That was my thought as well.

lostknight
08-13-2010, 05:38 AM
Re: Orton looking better then last year. Unquestionably.
Re: Who has the Nickle Job: Not Smith.
Re: Orton getting more interceptions when he throws more downfield. This is a normal thing. But almost every camp I have been at has resulted in picks of Orton. Rarely Tebow, more because of arm strength and holding the ball too long, more then Quinn, cause Quinn isn't even in the right ballpark much of the time.

Man-Goblin
08-13-2010, 05:57 AM
Re: Orton looking better then last year. Unquestionably.
Re: Who has the Nickle Job: Not Smith.
Re: Orton getting more interceptions when he throws more downfield. This is a normal thing. But almost every camp I have been at has resulted in picks of Orton. Rarely Tebow, more because of arm strength and holding the ball too long, more then Quinn, cause Quinn isn't even in the right ballpark much of the time.

Maybe Orton gets nervous because you are there?

oubronco
08-13-2010, 06:59 AM
Thanks for the report! Were the O-line getting pushed back into the QB's face as this could lead to bad downfield passes?

Rabb
08-13-2010, 07:00 AM
any report is a good report to me, thanks

lostknight
08-13-2010, 08:49 AM
Thanks for the report! Were the O-line getting pushed back into the QB's face as this could lead to bad downfield passes?

It wasn't nearly as bad as it had been in the past two weeks, but there is no question in my mind that (D) is more ready to play then (O). Tebow still seems to have a lot of difficulty in short passes - he completed one behind the line, and threw another in the dirt. His long passes were mostly on the money. He did do a phenomenal job reading the defense (you could almost see his eyes light up when walked to the line), scrambling and then throwing to Lloyd down the field. Unfortunately he overthrew it by about two yards.

Wind was going as well - and it was going strong south, which was the direction Tebow was throwing in for the long Lloyd pass. Quinn's questionable pass was into the wind, but it was lateral movement - to the left of the receiver that really screwed things up.

oubronco
08-13-2010, 08:54 AM
Thats good to hear at least the o-line is starting to look better, thanks

Broncoman13
08-13-2010, 08:56 AM
Were there a ton of blitzes yesterday as well? I swear it seems like we are blitzing at an epic rate. We're talking Jim Johnson type blitzes on nearly 60% of the downs! I'm okay with that, I personally like it but it also makes it easier for us to get caught with our pants down. Still, I like the gamble and you have to replace Doom's production somehow. Guys like Manning, Rivers, Brady, and Romo can make you pay when you blitz, but it will cause a fair share of turnovers as well.

Did you notice McBath at all? I really haven't seen much out of him. He was standing right in front of me the other day during ST practice and that was the only time I saw him. I think Nick said he saw him on a blitz but I figured by this time he would be pushing Hill for PT.

Jay3
08-13-2010, 10:05 AM
Tebow still seems to have a lot of difficulty in short passes - he completed one behind the line, and threw another in the dirt. His long passes were mostly on the money.

I'm convinced his short passes are really the ones that give casual observers the idea that he can't throw. They've always looked kind of labored and ducky.

A friend of mine went to a game (not a Tebow hater) and came back and said "Tebow was throwing in warm ups with a trainer and the trainers throws looked better."

Then Tebow went out and shredded the defense. It's an odd thing -- his short throws play a trick on the eyes and really can get you hung up. I think it caused some scouts to just "tune out" on him 4 years ago.

He's a different kind of player.