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08-11-2010, 09:58 AM
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcwest/post/_/id/15500/camp-confidential-broncos


By Bill Williamson
ESPN.com NFL Power Ranking (pre-camp): 23

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- After he watched one key player after another limp to the training room this summer, Josh McDaniels came to a conclusion: The Denver Broncos are going to find a way to get better as a result.

Call it medical motivation.

“Sometimes, when everybody around you thinks the sky is falling because of injuries, it could rally a team,” the second-year Denver coach said. “That’s what we are doing. We are going to be motivated to show we can withstand what has happened to us. We’re not sitting here feeling sorry for ourselves.”

Camp Confidential: AFC West

Raiders: July 31
Chargers: Aug. 3
Broncos: Aug. 11
Chiefs: Aug. 18

• Training camp index
McDaniels swears Denver is having a productive training camp despite being the most injured team in the NFL. The biggest hit was the loss of star linebacker Elvis Dumervil. He is likely out for the season with a torn pectoral muscle. Other players who have been lost during camp include running backs Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter, receivers Demaryius Thomas and Eric Decker, safety Brian Dawkins and linebackers D.J. Williams and Jarvis Moss. Don’t forget that left tackle Ryan Clady is out until sometime in September after hurting his knee in the offseason.

Still, McDaniels said it’s not a time of despair, because everyone but Dumervil is expected back in the near future.

“It hurts to lose Elvis, but maybe the other injuries are good that they happened now,” McDaniels said. “We are not worrying about who is not here. We trust our depth and we’re dealing with it.”

THREE HOT ISSUES


1. How will the Tebow factor affect the team? There is not a rookie in the NFL who is getting the attention that Tim Tebow is receiving. From special Nike shoes to a hideous training-camp haircut to operating in short yardage situations, the Tebow Watch is in full force.

The question is how his work in camp will affect the team on the field. The former Florida star quarterback has operated in short-yardage situations and he will likely be used in the Wildcat formation and in the red zone. That likely means Denver will keep quarterbacks Kyle Orton, Brady Quinn and Tebow on the 45-man roster on game days. In June, McDaniels said he was leaning away from that.

But it is clear that Tebow is being groomed to be active as a rookie. Unless Tebow completely leapfrogs Quinn in training camp and in the preseason, Denver could be using three quarterbacks on game days, which will take away from another position.

2. Can this team forget the final 10 games of 2009? Denver was the most perplexing team in the NFL in 2009. It shocked the league by starting 6-0. However, it suddenly fell apart and lost eight of its final 10 games.

Which team will we see in 2010? McDaniels, of course, won’t guarantee anything, but he believes Denver is heading in the right direction because of a strong training camp.

He said the team is making big strides this year because his program is established after 14 years under Mike Shanahan. McDaniels pointed out how much smoother and productive Denver was in its team scrimmage last weekend compared to last year’s scrimmage.

“It’s night and day,” McDaniels said. “Everybody knows the system now and that has helped camp.”


3. Can the running backs stay healthy? Moreno (hamstring) and Buckhalter (back) are supposed to be ready this month. But seeing the top two running backs go down on the first full day of camp had to be scary for Denver. The team has big plans for Moreno and Buckhalter.

Denver brought in veteran LenDale White to help in camp and perhaps as a short-yardage runner once he serves a four-game NFL suspension. The team is discussing signing former Oakland tailback Justin Fargas, perhaps as soon as Wednesday.

This is still the Moreno and Buckhalter show, but the Broncos have been forced to look at other options. Expect Moreno and Buckhalter to be handled very gingerly for the rest of camp and in the preseason in an attempt to ensure their health for the start of the regular season.

BIGGEST SURPRISE

The Broncos are excited about their receivers.

Brandon Lloyd and Matthew Willis have been outstanding. Eddie Royal is playing well in camp and the team hopes he can bounce back from a poor first season under McDaniels. After catching 91 passes as a rookie, Royal had just 37 catches last season.

Add rookies Thomas and Decker and Denver could have a decent receiving crew. That looked shaky after the team sent talented but troubled Brandon Marshall to Miami in April.

BIGGEST DISAPPOINTMENT

How can it be anything other than the injury to Dumervil? He is arguably Denver’s best player and he just signed a huge, new contract. Denver was looking for him to have a dominant season. Dumervil led the NFL with 17 sacks last season.

Denver will have to find a pass rush elsewhere. A top candidate is 2009 first-round pick Robert Ayers. He struggled as a rookie. But he has been good in camp. Ayers will get every chance to turn it on and help make this bad situation workable.

OBSERVATION DECK


Orton has quietly been a star in camp. He had a strong offseason and is, by far, the most accurate of three quarterbacks. While the future is Tebow’s in Denver, Orton is going to do everything he can to make 2010 special before he hits the free-agency market in 2011.

* Quinn, the current No. 2 quarterback in Denver, has been inaccurate often. The Broncos still like Quinn, who was acquired from Cleveland in March. However, with Orton being the immediate starter and Tebow being the future starter, he has his work cut out for him to find a spot in Denver.

* Keep an eye out for fifth-round pick Perrish Cox. He’s been outstanding in camp. “Every day, I look up and Perrish is making another big play,” Royal said. Cox is second at left cornerback behind star Champ Bailey. Cox will likely be the nickel cornerback. He is also dynamic as a return man.

* While Cox is ascending, second-year cornerback Alphonso Smith is still not progressing. Smith was the No. 37 overall pick in 2009. Denver gave up its first-round pick for Smith in 2010 (which was No. 14). He floundered as a rookie and he is not showing much improvement in camp as Cox is stealing the show.

* Richard Quinn, a second-round pick in 2009, is blocking very well in camp. He still must improve as a receiver, but Denver should feel comfortable with him in double tight-end sets with starter Daniel Graham.

* So far, defensive end Ryan McBean is holding off free-agent pickup Jarvis Green. However, the team likes Green and he is very versatile.

* Denver likes what it sees in former San Diego defensive tackle Jamal Williams in the early stages. With Dumervil out, a lot of Denver’s defensive burst must start from him at nose tackle. That may mean Williams may be on the field more than Denver likes. But he is showing, even at 34 and after missing all but one game in San Diego last year, he could still be a force.

* Denver knows it won’t all be roses, but it is at terms with rookies J.D. Walton (center) and Zane Beadles (guard) starting. Both players have showed intelligence and toughness in camp. Most importantly, they are big and strong and they are well suited for the power-blocking scheme McDaniels is adopting. Denver is scrapping the zone-blocking scheme used during the Shanahan era. One of the reasons is McDaniels wants a bigger offensive line that can stay fresh throughout the season.

* D’Anthony Batiste is doing well at left tackle. The Broncos think he will be a valuable backup when Clady returns from a knee injury in September.

* Inside linebacker Joe Mays, acquired from Philadelphia for running back J.J. Arrington less than two weeks ago, is impressing. He has worked some with the first team. He is likely to be a key backup and a special teamer.

* Veteran defensive lineman Marcus Thomas is buried on the depth chart. If he doesn’t pick up the rest of camp, he could be a candidate to be cut.

* Punter Britton Colquitt, the younger brother of Kansas City punter Dustin Colquitt, is doing well and he will likely win the job. He is going unchallenged, but if he falters, Denver could scour the waiver wire. So far, he is showing that may not be necessary.




So guys, how accurate is Burger Bill with this report? He's ragging on Alphonso Smith who I thought by everyones report was doing well. But other than that, what else seems odd?

Mr.Meanie
08-11-2010, 10:06 AM
* Punter Britton Colquitt, the younger brother of Kansas City punter Dustin Colquitt, is doing well and he will likely win the job. He is going unchallenged, but if he falters, Denver could scour the waiver wire. So far, he is showing that may not be necessary.

Wait a second, wasn't this situation locked up?

ksBRONCOfan
08-11-2010, 10:12 AM
Wait a second, wasn't this situation locked up?

Unless they bring some one in...
Hilarious!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-11-2010, 10:15 AM
The report actually has some depth to it, a rarity for Burger Bill who is king of the drive-by observation (and probably king of a few fast food restaurants as well). interesting to hear the difference in opinion about Phonz from him as opposed to the reports we've gotten from Maners who say he is progressing.

Nice find and thanks for posting.

Br0nc0Buster
08-11-2010, 10:18 AM
Wait a second, wasn't this situation locked up?

it is, unless of course....

Los Broncos
08-11-2010, 10:19 AM
So is the punting job locked up?

bronco militia
08-11-2010, 10:20 AM
Unless they bring some one in...
Hilarious!

LOL....this kind of reporting got Adam Schefter and Burger Bill kicked out of Denver.

you're next mike kliss! ;D

Br0nc0Buster
08-11-2010, 10:20 AM
not too bad
two things I didnt like:
1. He doesnt know the emergency qb rule, we are not going to have to activate all three qbs for Tebow to come in, Quinn will be the backup in reality but the emergency qb as far as the depth chart is concerned
2. Ryan McBean isnt really the starter over Green, he just plays more running downs while Jarvis is gonna come in more for passing downs

lostknight
08-11-2010, 10:25 AM
He's right on Alphonso Smith - the depth chart on his is devastating at the moment. He had a good first day, and a good day yesterday, but needs to show it on the field.

Cito Pelon
08-11-2010, 10:26 AM
He's just regurgitating. But he actually is in town today.

FISH
08-11-2010, 10:27 AM
LOL....this kind of reporting got Adam Schefter and Burger Bill kicked out of Denver.

you're next mike kliss! ;D


Schefter got kicked out of Denver? Thought he accepted a job with NFL Network and left Denver?

Comparing Bill to Adam....just seems wrong : /

sorry...off topic

2KBack
08-11-2010, 10:28 AM
2. Ryan McBean isnt really the starter over Green, he just plays more running downs while Jarvis is gonna come in more for passing downs

that may, or may not be true, most reports have mcbean as one of the top performers in camp.

Drek
08-11-2010, 10:34 AM
Weak article.

He doesn't understand the emergency QB rule.

He doesn't understand that Green was brought in to be a rotational pass rusher.

He seriously tries to act like a guy with no camp competition (Colquitt) doesn't have the job locked up.

McDaniels himself said they weren't scrapping zone blocking, that they even ran some zone in NE, but Burger says its on the way out.

Does anyone think he isn't mistaking Smith and Nate Jones with their recent number shuffle?

Broncoman13
08-11-2010, 10:38 AM
Smith will make the final cuts or he'll end up with an injury and on IR (though it seems that now a team can plunk a guy off of your IR??? How does that work anyhow, can the Pats now put Barrett on their IR?) Back to Smith, there is no way McD can concede defeat on him just yet. He gave up way too much to get him. He may end up being the 10th DB we keep and may not see the field but it would be a pub nightmare for McD to cut him at this point.

Rohirrim
08-11-2010, 10:42 AM
Justin Fargas? That will make Mock happy. Ha!

Broncoman13
08-11-2010, 10:48 AM
[QUOTE=Drek;2896930]Weak article.

He doesn't understand the emergency QB rule.

I am sure he understands the emergency QB rule. The problem is, if Tebow is the 2nd QB and Quinn is the EQB the Quinn cannot enter the game earlier than the 4th Quarter, and if he does then neither Orton or Tebow are allowed on the field for the rest of the game. So, it stands to reason that if he wants all three available (Orton 1, Quinn 2, and Tebow for special packages) that all three will have to active. Same if you were to make Tebow the emergency QB. Orton and Quinn wouldn't be allowed to play once he went on the field.

He doesn't understand that Green was brought in to be a rotational pass rusher.

Seems like a common misconception. Montrose and a few others said this early on but I expected that Green would be an every down type of guy. It does appear that he was brought in for Nickel packages to play a similar role as Vonnie Holiday (who I hated to lose) from last year.

He seriously tries to act like a guy with no camp competition (Colquitt) doesn't have the job locked up.

Seems to me that it is going to be Colquitt this year. But then again, we changed in the middle of the year last year so it could be that is on BB's mind.

McDaniels himself said they weren't scrapping zone blocking, that they even ran some zone in NE, but Burger says its on the way out.

I saw McD's comments on that a few days ago as well. That being said, I don't think we'll see too much of it as his tendencies are certainly more of a power game as opposed to the ZBS. But you're right, it's not scrapped completely.

Does anyone think he isn't mistaking Smith and Nate Jones with their recent number shuffle?

Hmm, you might be on to something here. I don't think he's going off of what he's seen as much as what he's hearing though. I thought I heard early on that Jones looked horrible and that Smith was doing some good things, but it doesn't appear (looking at the depth chart) that is the case. Still don't think Smith is in danger of being cut, too many political reasons not to cut him.

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All in all it wasn't a really weak article. Just a lot of what we already knew. I think it's still up in the air as to what or how we will list our active QBs and how Tebow will be listed on game days. My bet is we'll carry three active QBs and sacrifice a RB.

Broncoman13
08-11-2010, 10:48 AM
Justin Fargas? That will make Mock happy. Ha!

Nope, I thought the same thing when I first saw the signing though. He is already on the field for us btw. Had his first practice this morning.

Ray Finkle
08-11-2010, 10:49 AM
Burger Bill, captain of the obvious....

Beantown Bronco
08-11-2010, 10:50 AM
1. He doesnt know the emergency qb rule, we are not going to have to activate all three qbs for Tebow to come in, Quinn will be the backup in reality but the emergency qb as far as the depth chart is concerned

Weak article.

He doesn't understand the emergency QB rule.

Huh? How so? He seems to understand it fine to me.

If, on gameday, Orton is listed as the #1, Quinn as the #2 and Tebow as the #3....then Tebow could come in and out as often as they want, BUT they can only go with 45 actives on gameday....not 45 + 1 emergency QB.

If, however, on gameday, Orton is listed as the #1, Quinn as the #2 and Tebow as the "emergency #3", then they could employ 46 roster spots on gameday, BUT Tebow could not come in until the 4th quarter. Any earlier than that and Orton and Quinn could not come back into the game for any reason.

Of course, all of this is null and void if Tebow is named the official #2 on gameday.....but that is not where he is listed today.

bronco militia
08-11-2010, 10:55 AM
Schefter got kicked out of Denver? Thought he accepted a job with NFL Network and left Denver?

Comparing Bill to Adam....just seems wrong : /

sorry...off topic

pretty much...most broncos fans had enough of him and his food reports...ask TJ about Adam Shyster :giggle:

Broncoman13
08-11-2010, 10:58 AM
Huh? How so? He seems to understand it fine to me.

If, on gameday, Orton is listed as the #1, Quinn as the #2 and Tebow as the #3....then Tebow could come in and out as often as they want, BUT they can only go with 45 actives on gameday....not 45 + 1 emergency QB.

If, however, on gameday, Orton is listed as the #1, Quinn as the #2 and Tebow as the "emergency #3", then they could employ 46 roster spots on gameday, BUT Tebow could not come in until the 4th quarter. Any earlier than that and Orton and Quinn could not come back into the game for any reason.

Of course, all of this is null and void if Tebow is named the official #2 on gameday.....but that is not where he is listed today.

Just said that a couple of posts up!

Br0nc0Buster
08-11-2010, 11:02 AM
Huh? How so? He seems to understand it fine to me.

If, on gameday, Orton is listed as the #1, Quinn as the #2 and Tebow as the #3....then Tebow could come in and out as often as they want, BUT they can only go with 45 actives on gameday....not 45 + 1 emergency QB.

If, however, on gameday, Orton is listed as the #1, Quinn as the #2 and Tebow as the "emergency #3", then they could employ 46 roster spots on gameday, BUT Tebow could not come in until the 4th quarter. Any earlier than that and Orton and Quinn could not come back into the game for any reason.

Of course, all of this is null and void if Tebow is named the official #2 on gameday.....but that is not where he is listed today.

Tebow will be listed #2 when the season starts
He acts like the only way to get Tebow on the field is to have all three activated, that is not the case

Tebow doesnt have to be listed #2 yet, its not like he is taking up a roster spot, we can have like 80 guys on the team right now

bronco militia
08-11-2010, 11:03 AM
and to add, Schefter's smartest move was leaving Denver. He still gets to cover his favorite team while making a **** ton o-cash and getting his goofy mug blasted across the air waves.

Br0nc0Buster
08-11-2010, 11:05 AM
Josh doesnt need to activate Quinn, its not like he has some sort of unique skill set that requires us to give him a few snaps a game
he is the backup, and only will be called upon if Orton goes down

no need to put him in before that, thus no need to waste a spot so he can hold a clipboard

Drek
08-11-2010, 11:10 AM
Huh? How so? He seems to understand it fine to me.

If, on gameday, Orton is listed as the #1, Quinn as the #2 and Tebow as the #3....then Tebow could come in and out as often as they want, BUT they can only go with 45 actives on gameday....not 45 + 1 emergency QB.

If, however, on gameday, Orton is listed as the #1, Quinn as the #2 and Tebow as the "emergency #3", then they could employ 46 roster spots on gameday, BUT Tebow could not come in until the 4th quarter. Any earlier than that and Orton and Quinn could not come back into the game for any reason.

Of course, all of this is null and void if Tebow is named the official #2 on gameday.....but that is not where he is listed today.

Because regardless of who is #2 and #3 out of Tebow and Quinn you make Quinn the emergency QB.

Quinn is not playing in a real game unless Orton gets hurt or sucks so badly McDaniels wants to bench him. Tebow on the other hand has special packages only he runs.

So instead of carrying three active QBs you have Orton as #1, Tebow as #2, and Quinn as the emergency QB. If Orton needs to come out then Quinn gets to go in and show what he has without playing platoon with Tebow.

McDaniels is not a fickle coach. He will not bench Orton unless Orton is done as our starting QB. He also won't throw Quinn out there to play platoon with Tebow for a few quarters. If Quinn gets a shot McDaniels will make sure its a legit shot to lead the team.

bronco_diesel
08-11-2010, 11:37 AM
Huh? How so? He seems to understand it fine to me.

If, on gameday, Orton is listed as the #1, Quinn as the #2 and Tebow as the #3....then Tebow could come in and out as often as they want, BUT they can only go with 45 actives on gameday....not 45 + 1 emergency QB.

If, however, on gameday, Orton is listed as the #1, Quinn as the #2 and Tebow as the "emergency #3", then they could employ 46 roster spots on gameday, BUT Tebow could not come in until the 4th quarter. Any earlier than that and Orton and Quinn could not come back into the game for any reason.

Of course, all of this is null and void if Tebow is named the official #2 on gameday.....but that is not where he is listed today.

I thought it was a good article. We tend to forget the audience of these types of articles are for the general fan/observer. Not the extreme over obsessed fans - what is found at the OM.

Beantown Bronco
08-11-2010, 12:31 PM
Tebow will be listed #2 when the season starts
He acts like the only way to get Tebow on the field is to have all three activated, that is not the case

Tebow doesnt have to be listed #2 yet, its not like he is taking up a roster spot, we can have like 80 guys on the team right now


Because regardless of who is #2 and #3 out of Tebow and Quinn you make Quinn the emergency QB.

Quinn is not playing in a real game unless Orton gets hurt or sucks so badly McDaniels wants to bench him. Tebow on the other hand has special packages only he runs.

So instead of carrying three active QBs you have Orton as #1, Tebow as #2, and Quinn as the emergency QB. If Orton needs to come out then Quinn gets to go in and show what he has without playing platoon with Tebow.

McDaniels is not a fickle coach. He will not bench Orton unless Orton is done as our starting QB. He also won't throw Quinn out there to play platoon with Tebow for a few quarters. If Quinn gets a shot McDaniels will make sure its a legit shot to lead the team.

Like I said in my last sentence....all moot if Tebow is named the official #2 on the depth chart.

And again....none of this points to Burger Bill not understanding the rule as you guys said he does. It may point to him concluding (incorrectly, perhaps)that Tebow will be the #3 when the season starts; but this conclusion has nothing to do with his understanding of the rule.

Taco John
08-11-2010, 12:47 PM
I worry about Elvis's injury. I mean, what would it feel like to be an injured millionaire who knows that he's not going to see any action for a full year. The psycology of such a predicament is troubling. Not that I doubt that he's capable of keeping his head on straight... But it seems to me that this would be a trial for even the most dedicated of individuals.

Drek
08-11-2010, 12:49 PM
Like I said in my last sentence....all moot if Tebow is named the official #2 on the depth chart.

And again....none of this points to Burger Bill not understanding the rule as you guys said he does. It may point to him concluding (incorrectly, perhaps)that Tebow will be the #3 when the season starts; but this conclusion has nothing to do with his understanding of the rule.

Would it make you feel better if I said he just completely lacked understanding on the differences between Quinn and Tebow as the technical "#2" QB?

He's either unable to understand the concept I outlined of Quinn being designated the emergency QB despite being #2 on the depth chart, or he's ignoring it so he can throw out a filler line about how the Broncos might waste a roster spot keeping three QBs active.

DomCasual
08-11-2010, 01:03 PM
As for the punter, I think Josh is going to leave Colquitt in there until the week before Jacksonville. Then, he's going to pull an end around and bring Mitch Berger back in. Have you seen that guy kick? Other than the rare time he shanks one (only about 20%), he puts them high. They are almost always fair caught. Heck we don't need coverage on his punts, he punts it so high. We might as well take the line of scrimmage, move it 25 yards up, and give them the ball. He's that consistent!