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Chris
08-07-2010, 05:31 PM
Will this be broadcast online or summat?

Homer Simpson
08-07-2010, 05:35 PM
Don't be crazy. Sorry, but no chance. It's a practice!

BMarsh615
08-07-2010, 05:39 PM
denverbroncos.com is doing a live blog of the practice.

http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/invesco-practice-live-blog/

JCMElway
08-07-2010, 05:40 PM
Don't be crazy. Sorry, but no chance. It's a practice!

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bap454
08-07-2010, 05:48 PM
Well heck...the Eagles just had "flight" night on the NFL channel two nights ago so what gives...oh wait its the Broncos.

BMarsh615
08-07-2010, 07:00 PM
Rookie WR Eric Decker is limping and talking to the trainers after a rep in goal line drill.
https://twitter.com/PostBroncos/status/20590134546

:(

Boobs McGee
08-07-2010, 07:21 PM
WWW.nooooooooooooooo.com



:(

Homer Simpson
08-07-2010, 07:23 PM
7:08 p.m. MDT: Quinn’s first play in the huddle was a fake handoff to Bruce Hall, followed by a deep bomb to Lloyd, who made a leaping catch before launching the ball all the way back to the line of scrimmage in celebration. It earned the receiver a high five from Orton on the sideline..

BMarsh615
08-07-2010, 07:30 PM
Holding my breath: D. Thomas a bit limpy coming to the sideline after another beautiful TD catch (this time from Quinn). Getting checked out

https://twitter.com/BroncoTalk/status/20591951396

:garcia:

HEAV
08-07-2010, 07:31 PM
7:21 p.m. MDT: Baker just took a handoff from Tebow for a big rush down to the 10-yard line. The following play was a deep bomb from the rookie down the sideline to Demaryius Thomas for a touchdown, bringing the entire offense sprinting to the end zone for a celebratory huddle

HEAV
08-07-2010, 07:33 PM
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WABronco
08-07-2010, 07:34 PM
Breaking: All NFL Players leave practice with limpy like limps. Majority feared to have catastrophic, career-ending injuries.

'Cept Tebow.

BroncoDoug
08-07-2010, 07:37 PM
Orton, Decker, and Thomas all limping with ankle injuries... wth is going on with the turf at invesco...

HEAV
08-07-2010, 07:43 PM
7:34 p.m. MDT: Robert Ayers just battled past his blocker into the backfield for a sack. Well, a hypothetical sack, at least. No one is hitting the quarterback, of course.

HEAV
08-07-2010, 07:48 PM
7:40 p.m. MDT: Practice is about to come to an end, and the offense just practiced a Hail Mary situation — and Orton completed the bomb to Lloyd in the end zone. In real time, Floyd Little just finished his enshrinement speech. It will be played on the big screen at the conclusion of practice.

Chris
08-07-2010, 07:50 PM
Did anyone go to this?

Broncoman13
08-07-2010, 08:08 PM
Sounds like Tebow and DT both had good practices connecting for a deep TD near the end!

BlaK-Argentina
08-07-2010, 08:15 PM
What Chris said... I want a full report from Montrose or someone damnit! I DEMAND it! :P

LongDongJohnson
08-07-2010, 08:16 PM
so now decker and thomas are hurt. no suprise.

Hogan11
08-07-2010, 08:20 PM
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Wait a minute, Quinn did something good at practice?? You can't post that here, it's supposed to be all about Tebow!

prodigalson139
08-07-2010, 08:21 PM
I was at the practice.

The middle of O-line is a HUGE concern

We need Moreno and Buck back. Running game looked marginal to suspect. Concerning.

Orton will surprise many with his play this year if he can stay healthy. Was calm, composed, and very decisive. Had several great passes.

Quinn looked good when he was in there. Didn't take many snaps. He shows glimpses of great promise and needs a year or so in this system

Tebow played well. Went to practice Thursday and he played so-so. Tonight, he had great command of the field. Played well. Connected with D. Thomas well. Very encouraged.

D. Thomas was lights out before he got hurt. Just insane how big, swift, and powerful he is. He gets great separation and his route running looks much improved. He out leaps everyone. Just sick.

Defense looked good. Jamal Williams is gonna be the most important player we have. He was getting good push whenever he was in their. Good things

Ayers was in the backfield all night. He made the TE's look stupid on numerous times and looked good against the tackles. Very encouraging. Haggan was at the other OLB.

Alphonso Smith better get his crap together. He muffed a punt. Looked just okay in coverage.

Dawkins limped off the field after he tweaked an ankle. Should be good. Trainers didn't look at him. Same with E Royal.

RonDaChamp24
08-07-2010, 08:28 PM
I was at the practice.

The middle of O-line is a HUGE concern

We need Moreno and Buck back. Running game looked marginal to suspect. Concerning.

Orton will surprise many with his play this year if he can stay healthy. Was calm, composed, and very decisive. Had several great passes.

Quinn looked good when he was in there. Didn't take many snaps. He shows glimpses of great promise and needs a year or so in this system

Tebow played well. Went to practice Thursday and he played so-so. Tonight, he had great command of the field. Played well. Connected with D. Thomas well. Very encouraged.

D. Thomas was lights out before he got hurt. Just insane how big, swift, and powerful he is. He gets great separation and his route running looks much improved. He out leaps everyone. Just sick.

Defense looked good. Jamal Williams is gonna be the most important player we have. He was getting good push whenever he was in their. Good things

Ayers was in the backfield all night. He made the TE's look stupid on numerous times and looked good against the tackles. Very encouraging. Haggan was at the other OLB.

Alphonso Smith better get his crap together. He muffed a punt. Looked just okay in coverage.

Dawkins limped off the field after he tweaked an ankle. Should be good. Trainers didn't look at him. Same with E Royal.

Thanks for the update!!!

BlaK-Argentina
08-07-2010, 08:34 PM
I was at the practice.

The middle of O-line is a HUGE concern

We need Moreno and Buck back. Running game looked marginal to suspect. Concerning.

Orton will surprise many with his play this year if he can stay healthy. Was calm, composed, and very decisive. Had several great passes.

Quinn looked good when he was in there. Didn't take many snaps. He shows glimpses of great promise and needs a year or so in this system

Tebow played well. Went to practice Thursday and he played so-so. Tonight, he had great command of the field. Played well. Connected with D. Thomas well. Very encouraged.

D. Thomas was lights out before he got hurt. Just insane how big, swift, and powerful he is. He gets great separation and his route running looks much improved. He out leaps everyone. Just sick.

Defense looked good. Jamal Williams is gonna be the most important player we have. He was getting good push whenever he was in their. Good things

Ayers was in the backfield all night. He made the TE's look stupid on numerous times and looked good against the tackles. Very encouraging. Haggan was at the other OLB.

Alphonso Smith better get his crap together. He muffed a punt. Looked just okay in coverage.

Dawkins limped off the field after he tweaked an ankle. Should be good. Trainers didn't look at him. Same with E Royal.

Thanks man!!! CAN'T WAIT for the opener!!

CEH
08-07-2010, 08:45 PM
I was at the practice.

The middle of O-line is a HUGE concern

We need Moreno and Buck back. Running game looked marginal to suspect. Concerning.

Orton will surprise many with his play this year if he can stay healthy. Was calm, composed, and very decisive. Had several great passes.

Quinn looked good when he was in there. Didn't take many snaps. He shows glimpses of great promise and needs a year or so in this system

Tebow played well. Went to practice Thursday and he played so-so. Tonight, he had great command of the field. Played well. Connected with D. Thomas well. Very encouraged.

D. Thomas was lights out before he got hurt. Just insane how big, swift, and powerful he is. He gets great separation and his route running looks much improved. He out leaps everyone. Just sick.

Defense looked good. Jamal Williams is gonna be the most important player we have. He was getting good push whenever he was in their. Good things

Ayers was in the backfield all night. He made the TE's look stupid on numerous times and looked good against the tackles. Very encouraging. Haggan was at the other OLB.

Alphonso Smith better get his crap together. He muffed a punt. Looked just okay in coverage.

Dawkins limped off the field after he tweaked an ankle. Should be good. Trainers didn't look at him. Same with E Royal.

In addition your new starting left tackle #67 D'Athony Batise
He took all first team sanps at LT

The 25 yard TD to Bey Bey was great but I really was impressed with a laser Tebow threw from his own 45 to the opposite number at the 10 hitting the WR's outside shoulder away from the CB. A thing of beauty

Bey Bey limped off with a left foot injury but moments later I saw Greek kidding and smiling with Josh so I would assume nothing serious




Basically Tim took over Invesco with his time in the 11 on 11 drills.

Jay3
08-07-2010, 09:24 PM
Do you think we'll see any bootleg videos (or non bootleg, I don't care). The way they run it at INVESCO, seems like it would be hard to stop fans from taking some video.

BMarsh615
08-07-2010, 09:25 PM
From Josina's twitter


Fox31Alert: Sources: Eric Decker has a left ankle sprain and is scheduled to get an MRI as early as tomorrow.


Fox31Alert: Demaryius Thomas has suffered a left foot injury and is scheduled to have it evaluated as early as tomm.

Jay3
08-07-2010, 09:26 PM
And can someone comment on the formation Tebow is in? Pretty much mostly under center? This is one aspect that I haven't read much commentary on his development. His drops.

BMarsh615
08-07-2010, 09:26 PM
Do you think we'll see any bootleg videos (or non bootleg, I don't care). The way they run it at INVESCO, seems like it would be hard to stop fans from taking some video.

There should be some highlights posted on denverbroncos.com in the next couple of hours.

lostknight
08-07-2010, 09:33 PM
I can't seem to start a new thread, so I posted this at the official forums, and in this comment instead.

Wow. Just got back from practice, fifth that I have been to this season, and by far the most the surprising. I was at opening day at TC, and the difference between that and what we saw today was shocking in the extreme.

Tebow put on a show today, no two ways about it. He looked comfortable diagnosing the defense, calling out the mike, hand offs, and really comfortable in the pocket, with a good sense of when it was going to collapse. Ran for a (legitimate from what I could tell, but I was on the opposite side of the field) touchdowns, and made solid completions to Stokley, Royal and Thomas. He threw the most of any of the QB's in 11:11 (probably more reps then the entire cap to this point).

The difference from Sunday is staggering. He was running for his life in the pocket, dealing poorly with pressure. The pressure was even better from the D-line today (due, I think, to the 4-3 alignment) and his sense of timing was spot on. I think he was sacked once, but had a great clock in his head, and threw the ball away twice. Tebow was running with both the first and second strings during this sequence. He had the bulk of the practice time in this drill, and several times motioned over to the side "Do you need me to come out?" The coaching staff was enjoying the show and left him in.

The one knock I have is that Tebow still looks like his short range accuracy is still a bit off. I noticed at camp to that he seems to get more accurate the more downfield he throws. Almost all of his passes were in the 10-20 yard range. He has to improve this for the screen to work. He through a very nice fade, connected over the middle, and one go route with Thomas??? He through a nice laser at one point painting his receivers right shoulder.

The crowd of course reacted, but I think in general, was more mellow on Tebowmania then the TC's have been.

Orton looked better then he did at fan fair last year, but no where near as good as he looked this week in practice. Even in warm ups he seemed a bit jittery. He over or underthrew receivers several times, but also connected on a few bombs, and one very pretty screen. No question that he was better then last year - zero interceptions - but his command wasn't there the way it has been in camp.

More worryingly, Robert Ayers was in Orton's face the entire time. The D-line was owning the O-line today. None of the quarterbacks got "all the time in the world" this game. The defense effectively closed the go routes along the sideline down during the two minute drills, and Orton was forced to use Royal in the slot over the middle of the field over and over, burning clock. We have a real problem opposite Robert Ayers.

Defense also did some third down blitzes, which resulted in sacks of both Quinn and Orton.

Royal, and DT also put on a show. DT is uncoverable by a single corner. Period. The guy picked a underthrow ball that Quinn threw (IIRC) in the endzone over a linebacker. I watched DT school Champ opening day, so not surprising, but DT is such a superfreak, he makes it look like the corner never had a shot to make the play. Tebow made a really nice pass to him between two defenders, and he is such a huge target that if you get the ball anywhere near him, he will pull it down. Opening day DT was letting the balls get way to into his body before catching, today he had great touch away from his body.

My friends decided the best way to describe him is half tony sheffler, half Brandon Marshall.

Royal was in the slot all night, and I now have to agree with those who think that Stokley might have trouble making the team. Royal was solid over the middle with TD catches from both Tebow (in serious traffic) and Orton.

Quinn was down the middle performance. Had one great long pass, and one horrific one. Got a fair number of reps, but held on to the ball way too long. Had Ayers and B-dawk 1 yard away from him waiting for him to throw (happened several times to Orton as well).

Unfortunately the other Quinn looked shakey. Alphonso Smith really looked bad out there - muffed a punt. Cox looked good, until he had to cover DT. Eddie also made a number of plays in front of him.

Defense wise, the 4-3 looked remarkably good. The one time I think the defense failed to put any pressure on the QB all night was when they only rushed three, and everyone dropped back in coverage. Special teams returning looks great, which means special teams play on defense looked horrible.

One thing I also noticed is exactly how much more this team has gelled then last years team. The camaraderie out there was excellent. After Tebow's long run, he made a point to high five his offense - and Champ got into the act. The QB's came out as a group, and were visibly encouraging each other. Tebow also was sporting a hair cut - a big deal when your face is responsible for endorsement deals - as were the other rookies.

Most surprisingly, McDaniels got a solid ovation walking out on the field. That tells you all you need to know about the difference between this year and last.

lostknight
08-07-2010, 09:35 PM
And can someone comment on the formation Tebow is in? Pretty much mostly under center? This is one aspect that I haven't read much commentary on his development. His drops.

Mostly shot gun actually. A few under center, no bobbled snaps. Started out the way they have before - with two Tebow run passes, but then let Tebow step up and start throwing - and the rest is history.

For Tebow to be effective in the third down package they seem to be putting him in, they are going to need to have him throw the ball.

lostknight
08-07-2010, 09:36 PM
Two much damn contact. They were asking for injuries with the 20 men pile ups that were occuring on the field. Decker looked bad, but DT looked okay. Hopefully Decker is only out a week or so.

Jay3
08-07-2010, 09:43 PM
The one knock I have is that Tebow still looks like his short range accuracy is still a bit off. I noticed at camp to that he seems to get more accurate the more downfield he throws.

His short throws are wobbly because it breaks his heart to throw it short when he could just run it there. It's like his hand is saying "No, Timmy. Hold on to me."Ha!

McDman
08-07-2010, 09:51 PM
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That guy in the stands has to be Olsens' dad.



Ona serious note, is this the same foot injury DT had before? I sure hope not.

McDman
08-07-2010, 09:56 PM
Two much damn contact. They were asking for injuries with the 20 men pile ups that were occuring on the field. Decker looked bad, but DT looked okay. Hopefully Decker is only out a week or so.

I think you need to call Josh and get some flags ordered, we wouldn't want our guys tackling each other out there.

Los Broncos
08-07-2010, 10:05 PM
Thanks for the report guys, good job.

lostknight
08-07-2010, 10:06 PM
I think you need to call Josh and get some flags ordered, we wouldn't want our guys tackling each other out there.

I am guessing you were not there - every single freaking lineman was on top of the RBs. It was rare that there wasn't contact on any particular drill, except, of course for the QBs.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-07-2010, 10:07 PM
Tebow, as far as I saw, did not take a single snap under center. I was there 15 minutes late, but didn't see a single one.

Also, on the bomb to DT, it's worth mentioning, Tebow would have gone down for a sack. He is absolutely holding on to the ball too long. I like the kid, but the buzz around him was bordering on the extreme... in fact, I said tonight it was somewhat cult-ish.

Orton was the best QB on the field by quite some margin, although Quinn surprised with some good deep throws. Orton is in command, in control, and should be in the starters seat when the season comes around.

All in all, a very cool experience. Was thrilled they had concessions open. And even more thrilled with the new vertically striped socks I purchased in the pro shop. Most comfortable socks I've ever put on.

lostknight
08-07-2010, 10:15 PM
Orton was the best QB on the field by quite some margin, although Quinn surprised with some good deep throws. Orton is in command, in control, and should be in the starters seat when the season comes around.


As far as I can tell, you are the only person I have seen, on any of the three forums that I have seen that thinks that Orton performed the best today. That being said, I agree with the conversion about Orton starting. Tebow doesn't have mastery of the playbook yet. Simms looked decent in TC last year under similar circumstances, there is a lot that still needs to be done. But if he can perform like he did tonight, he is a very attractive alternative to Orton in third down situations.

But the Orton era has a time limit if Tebow continues to improve the way he has.


All in all, a very cool experience. Was thrilled they had concessions open. And even more thrilled with the new vertically striped socks I purchased in the pro shop. Most comfortable socks I've ever put on.

Eh. I preferred the fan fair last week - getting to watch nolan with kids on the field was special. Meeting Moreno and Ayers was cool. didn't feel like braving 95% of the fans there to get Tebows signature.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-07-2010, 10:22 PM
As far as I can tell, you are the only person I have seen, on any of the three forums that I have seen that thinks that Orton performed the best today. That being said, I agree with the conversion about Orton starting. Tebow doesn't have mastery of the playbook yet. Simms looked decent in TC last year under similar circumstances, there is a lot that still needs to be done. But if he can perform like he did tonight, he is a very attractive alternative to Orton in third down situations.

But the Orton era has a time limit if Tebow continues to improve the way he has.



Eh. I preferred the fan fair last week - getting to watch nolan with kids on the field was special. Meeting Moreno and Ayers was cool. didn't feel like braving 95% of the fans there to get Tebows signature.

I'm not afraid of calling it how it was. Tebow was fine. Orton was better. It wasn't close.

I need to see a LOT more from Tebow actually running an offense before I even think about giving him really high marks.

As for the people who love Tebow... I mean, that was to be expected, yes? There were people screaming about how amazing he was after he would have been sacked for a loss because he waited and tossed the ball to DT. It was a fine throw, yes, but they reacted like he'd just won the Super Bowl. "My! He is something, isn't he?! Holy cow, that Tim Tebow! What a throw!" (Actual quote) Me: "He would have been sacked on that play. the defender fell down in order not to hit the QB in practice." Her/him (couldn't tell): "yeah, but that throw! Is he something!??!?" Me: "I suppose. Wish he wouldn't have held on to the ball so long."

People that wanted to see Superman saw Superman. People who wanted to see reality saw reality.

TheReverend
08-07-2010, 10:32 PM
I'm not afraid of calling it how it was. Tebow was fine. Orton was better. It wasn't close.

I need to see a LOT more from Tebow actually running an offense before I even think about giving him really high marks.

As for the people who love Tebow... I mean, that was to be expected, yes? There were people screaming about how amazing he was after he would have been sacked for a loss because he waited and tossed the ball to DT. It was a fine throw, yes, but they reacted like he'd just won the Super Bowl. "My! He is something, isn't he?! Holy cow, that Tim Tebow! What a throw!" (Actual quote) Me: "He would have been sacked on that play. the defender fell down in order not to hit the QB in practice." Her/him (couldn't tell): "yeah, but that throw! Is he something!??!?" Me: "I suppose. Wish he wouldn't have held on to the ball so long."

People that wanted to see Superman saw Superman. People who wanted to see reality saw reality.

lol

The MVPlaya
08-07-2010, 10:33 PM
My friends decided the best way to describe him is half tony sheffler, half Brandon Marshall.
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Thanks for the report...

However, Half tony scheffler? Hilarious!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-07-2010, 10:34 PM
lol

I see you're an educated man.

The MVPlaya
08-07-2010, 10:34 PM
Oh, and hopefully there are some youtube videos this year like last...

BigPlayShay
08-07-2010, 10:36 PM
I was there and just want to clear up some things from previous posts. Orton was the best of the QBs. While Tebow did have a good drive in 11 vs 11, it has to be noted that it was against what amounted to a mix of 2s and 3s on defense. Our run game was awful. In Goaline work the run was stuffed every time.

Also, the Defense was not in a 4-3 base at all. It was a 3-4. The backers were Woodyard and Ayodele inside, Haggan and Ayers outside. There were only 4 down linemen when they were in Goaline and Nickle. Ayers was getting fantastic pressure, many of which would have undoubtedly been sacks had they been allowed to touch the QB.

lostknight
08-07-2010, 10:45 PM
Also, the Defense was not in a 4-3 base at all. It was a 3-4. The backers were Woodyard and Ayodele inside, Haggan and Ayers outside. There were only 4 down linemen when they were in Goaline and Nickle. Ayers was getting fantastic pressure, many of which would have undoubtedly been sacks had they been allowed to touch the QB.

Really? Cause I am looking at footage I shot on my iPhone right now just in case I missed something, and there are four down lineman most of the time. Ayers raised up in the the middle of the field, but lined up only a half step behind, and did not drop into coverage.

Only once did they rush three from my notes.


I was there and just want to clear up some things from previous posts. Orton was the best of the QBs. While Tebow did have a good drive in 11 vs 11, it has to be noted that it was against what amounted to a mix of 2s and 3s on defense. Our run game was awful. In Goaline work the run was stuffed every time.

When did Champ get demoted to the second string? Cause he was on the field for a non-trivial chunk of time, and was the last person to give Tebow a high five after Tebow's long 11:11 sequence.

Goalline was solid by defense, offense feared very poorly. Tebow had the only great run of the night, although Lance Ball had a nice run, and a nice catch and run.

- Edited - of course, 3-4 versus 4-3 is kinda academic at the end, but bottom line is still that there consistently was four lined up and going in.

Jay3
08-07-2010, 10:46 PM
I'm not afraid of calling it how it was. Tebow was fine. Orton was better. It wasn't close.

I need to see a LOT more from Tebow actually running an offense before I even think about giving him really high marks.

What about Tebow and Quinn? Or was it hard to tell with Tebow getting so many more reps than Quinn?

Quinn is an X-factor my brain can't process. From many years of NFL watching, I'm programmed to follow the old "veteran quarterback, steady hand, being pushed by new draft pick quarterback."

I've never seen with "and throw in a wash-out from Cleveland who seems kind of good enough to win the job also."

It just doesn't make sense. They can't keep getting all these guys enough reps. But a lot of people continue to think it looks like Brady is still in there, possibly being the "real" backup who will get the second most reps all season.

I've never really seen a first rounder plunked at #3 unless he was really struggling.

tsr28
08-07-2010, 10:51 PM
Some details from nfl.com on injuries to Eric Decker and Dermarius Thomas:

http://www.nfl.com/trainingcamp/story/09000d5d819946c1/article/broncos-take-two-more-hits-with-rookies-thomas-decker-injured

On Saturday night, top draft pick Demaryius Thomas, a wide receiver from Georgia Tech who has made several spectacular plays so far, limped to the locker room with trainers after injuring his left foot or ankle when he came down awkwardly after catching a touchdown catch from Brady Quinn.

Thomas broke his left foot during a pre-draft workout.

"Obviously, yes, that would be a concern because it was the same foot. But we're hopeful that it won't be anything serious," Broncos coach Josh McDaniels said of Thomas' latest ailment. "If we miss him for a little while, it would be normal for this team."

Fellow rookie wide receiver Eric Decker, whose senior season at Minnesota was cut short by a torn ligament in his left foot, walked off the field after injuring his left leg during a goal-line drill Saturday night and went inside for medical tests.

Decker limped much more gingerly than Thomas.

lostknight
08-07-2010, 10:52 PM
What about Tebow and Quinn? Or was it hard to tell with Tebow getting so many more reps than Quinn?


Quinn was decent - about on the same scale as Simms in training camp last year. He still has inconsistancy over long distances, but looked fairly solid on short distance passes. In last years offense, I think he would have excelled. With Orton and Tebow taking more shots down the field, I have yet to see the kind of accuracy he needs.

Simms looked decent until he had to prove that he could do something then improvise.


I've never seen with "and throw in a wash-out from Cleveland who seems kind of good enough to win the job also."


The only way he starts is the only way Tebow starts - if Orton goes down in injury. Then it becomes about what McDaniels wants to target the offense around. If it's last years dinks and dunks, Quinn has the upper hand - but if he wants to go down the field, Tebow's far more accurate.

It just doesn't make sense. They can't keep getting all these guys enough reps. But a lot of people continue to think it looks like Brady is still in there, possibly being the "real" backup who will get the second most reps all season.


I really think that a few teams might be sniffing after Brady sooner rather then later given how things are working out, but I don't see Brady being successful this season given how horrific our O-line is at the moment. Orton has experience playing behind a bad line and Tebow makes up for it with mobility.

Quinn's in danger of becoming the forgotten man - Sirius NFL on Friday didn't mention him once.

I've never really seen a first rounder plunked at #3 unless he was really struggling.

The question in my mind is if McDaniels finds success using Tebow similarly to what Tebow did his first year in college. If that's the case, there will be more then enough room for both Quinn and Tebow next year.

The chance we keep Orton is very very small, if Tebow continues to learn and perform the way he did tonight. We shall have a very good clue next week.

Marshall Dumervil
08-07-2010, 10:58 PM
I went tonight too, and agree Orton looked great. I was sitting by a bunch of kids (and adults) that constantly chanted Tebow. It got real annoying when they kept it up during punt return practice, my buddy finally turned and yelled that Tebow wasn't even on the field. Idiots. Most folk don't seem to realize Orton is most likely starting QB this year, and either go with it or gtfo. It was sad to see people booing our starter.

Otherwise, Thomas made some badass catches tonight hopefully he isn't hurt bad. Royal seemed to be moving twice as fast as everyone else, guy was all over the place. As far as the running game looking crummy, it seemed as if the team wanted to put off a bit of a show passing tonight. 20,000 people that want to see big plays. It seemed to me it was a much higher percentage of pass plays vs run.

mkporter
08-07-2010, 10:58 PM
From Josina's twitter

Am I the only one immature enough to snicker when reading this?

FISH
08-07-2010, 11:01 PM
Am I the only one immature enough to snicker when reading this?

Ha!

TheReverend
08-07-2010, 11:15 PM
I see you're an educated man.

Not nearly to the level of your fantastic breakdown

BlaK-Argentina
08-07-2010, 11:21 PM
I went tonight too, and agree Orton looked great. I was sitting by a bunch of kids (and adults) that constantly chanted Tebow. It got real annoying when they kept it up during punt return practice, my buddy finally turned and yelled that Tebow wasn't even on the field. Idiots. Most folk don't seem to realize Orton is most likely starting QB this year, and either go with it or gtfo. It was sad to see people booing our starter.

Otherwise, Thomas made some badass catches tonight hopefully he isn't hurt bad. Royal seemed to be moving twice as fast as everyone else, guy was all over the place. As far as the running game looking crummy, it seemed as if the team wanted to put off a bit of a show passing tonight. 20,000 people that want to see big plays. It seemed to me it was a much higher percentage of pass plays vs run.

Orton was booed again? That's awful. I seriously don't understand why he gets so much hate. He's easy to root for. I hope he kicks some serious ass this year while Tebow watches from the sidelines.

Mogulseeker
08-07-2010, 11:31 PM
I was there and just want to clear up some things from previous posts. Orton was the best of the QBs. While Tebow did have a good drive in 11 vs 11, it has to be noted that it was against what amounted to a mix of 2s and 3s on defense. Our run game was awful. In Goaline work the run was stuffed every time.

Also, the Defense was not in a 4-3 base at all. It was a 3-4. The backers were Woodyard and Ayodele inside, Haggan and Ayers outside. There were only 4 down linemen when they were in Goaline and Nickle. Ayers was getting fantastic pressure, many of which would have undoubtedly been sacks had they been allowed to touch the QB.

This pleases me.

lostknight
08-07-2010, 11:31 PM
Orton was booed again? That's awful. I seriously don't understand why he gets so much hate. He's easy to root for. I hope he kicks some serious ass this year while Tebow watches from the sidelines.

Not where I was sitting. In fact, I think overall there was far less Tebowmania at this then there has been at TC. McDaniels also got a fair bit of applause, which was much better then his treatment last year.

lostknight
08-07-2010, 11:32 PM
The only booing I heard was more in jest after Prater missed a FG in special teams.

BlaK-Argentina
08-07-2010, 11:34 PM
Not where I was sitting. In fact, I think overall there was far less Tebowmania at this then there has been at TC. McDaniels also got a fair bit of applause, which was much better then his treatment last year.

I see, thanks. I guess people are starting to see what McDaniels is trying to build here.

I can't waaaaaait to watch D. Thomas play. Hopefully his injury is EXTREMELY minor.

SoCalBronco
08-07-2010, 11:38 PM
I can't waaaaaait to watch D. Thomas play. Hopefully his injury is EXTREMELY minor.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=1534&dateline=1276892639

Looks like Pampita is pretty pumped up about Bey Bey, too.

lostknight
08-07-2010, 11:40 PM
I see, thanks. I guess people are starting to see what McDaniels is trying to build here.

I can't waaaaaait to watch D. Thomas play. Hopefully his injury is EXTREMELY minor.

Tonight was very positive - as opposed to the Fan Fare which scared the hell out of me - but right now we don't know if
a) Our D-Line is good, or our O-line just sucks.
b) If our O-line is horrific, or our D-line is just that good.
c) If Orton can hold it together in games - he has a lot more interceptions this year in camp, but also a lot more plays the coach is allowing him to throw.
d) If Tebow can react at game speed.
e) If DT, Tebow and Quinn can master the books.

Make no mistake, Orton is the best quarterback right now, and should start the season as starter. But it's a immediate baptism of fire. We won't run 6-0 this year with the grueling schedule we have, unless we are just that good. We also are seeing far far too many injuries.

BlaK-Argentina
08-07-2010, 11:47 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/image.php?u=1534&dateline=1276892639

Looks like Pampita is pretty pumped up about Bey Bey, too.

:yayaya::yayaya::yayaya:

Sometimes I think I post just to see her pic.

Can someone Photoshop her into Broncos colors? :sunshine:

BlaK-Argentina
08-07-2010, 11:49 PM
Tonight was very positive - as opposed to the Fan Fare which scared the hell out of me - but right now we don't know if
a) Our D-Line is good, or our O-line just sucks.
b) If our O-line is horrific, or our D-line is just that good.
c) If Orton can hold it together in games - he has a lot more interceptions this year in camp, but also a lot more plays the coach is allowing him to throw.
d) If Tebow can react at game speed.
e) If DT, Tebow and Quinn can master the books.

Make no mistake, Orton is the best quarterback right now, and should start the season as starter. But it's a immediate baptism of fire. We won't run 6-0 this year with the grueling schedule we have, unless we are just that good. We also are seeing far far too many injuries.

What can you tell us about DT's route running? Does he look limited in that aspect? Has he been running short routes too?

lostknight
08-07-2010, 11:55 PM
What can you tell us about DT's route running? Does he look limited in that aspect? Has he been running short routes too?

The stuff I saw from DT was mostly simple routes, plus some (really impressive) blocking. The Tebow touchdown absolutely threaded the needle between a corner and safety put it where only DT could get it. The other catches were all DT - people threw it in his general direction and he came down with it.

TheReverend
08-08-2010, 12:06 AM
Tonight was very positive - as opposed to the Fan Fare which scared the hell out of me - but right now we don't know if
a) Our D-Line is good, or our O-line just sucks.
b) If our O-line is horrific, or our D-line is just that good.
c) If Orton can hold it together in games - he has a lot more interceptions this year in camp, but also a lot more plays the coach is allowing him to throw.
d) If Tebow can react at game speed.
e) If DT, Tebow and Quinn can master the books.

Make no mistake, Orton is the best quarterback right now, and should start the season as starter. But it's a immediate baptism of fire. We won't run 6-0 this year with the grueling schedule we have, unless we are just that good. We also are seeing far far too many injuries.

Softer schedule this season than the last two. Not that pre-season appearances mean much.

ShutDownPoster
08-08-2010, 12:23 AM
:yayaya::yayaya::yayaya:

Sometimes I think I post just to see her pic.

Can someone Photoshop her into Broncos colors? :sunshine:

How's this? I mean - you don't want to block any strategic areas :-)


http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4119/4871137122_de1933af71.jpg

prunch
08-08-2010, 12:27 AM
http://maxdenver.com/blog1/2010/08/07/five-observations-aug-7-practice/

Five Observations: Aug. 7 Practice
By Andrew Mason



Demaryius Thomas had a big night Saturday - but also suffered an apparent lower left leg injury on a touchdown catch. (PHOTO: MAXDENVER.COM)
1. No Broncos skill-position player has been more spectacular during recent practices than Demaryius Thomas, and the only thing that could have derailed him was an injury. So when he walked to the sideline with a hitch in his gait after grabbing a touchdown pass, empathetic groans and worriers murmurs — for both player and injury-beseiged team — rattled throughout the stadium.

The injury came when Thomas appeared to land on a defender’s foot after leaping in double coverage for the pass from Brady Quinn.

“I don’t know exactly what the extent of his little deal was there when he came of the field, but we’ll find out,” coach Josh McDaniels said.”If we miss him for a little while, it’ll be normal for this camp.”

Even if it proves to be minor, it nevertheless comes at an inopportune time, since his progress the last three days has accelerated.

“(Our timing) has improved immensely the last two or three days — just in getting his feel for back-shoulder, over-the-shoulder, how I’m going to throw it to him.” said quarterback Tim Tebow, who threw a 25-yard touchdown pass to Thomas earlier in the session.

2. It was coincidence that Jamal Williams made his practice debut in the first session without Elvis Dumervil, but it underscores how Williams’s presence couldn’t have been more desperately needed with the team’s defensive ringleader out for months. During one-on-one and goal-line drills, Williams clogged holes and often took multiple linemen out of the play.

On the other side of the scrimmage line, J.D. Walton did his best to hold back Williams, but in watching the two duel, the phrase “baptism by fire” comes to mind. Nevertheless, this sort of challenge can only help Walton, who was driven back by Williams but never lost his footing Saturday.

3. The offensive line didn’t have Chris Kuper, and the running back complement was without its three most experienced members, so defensive dominance of the goal-line period was almost fait accompli. That being said, Robert Ayers’ performance during his goal-line snaps was exceptional, as he shed multiple blockers to get to Lance Ball and Bruce Hall. In McDaniels’ eyes, Ayers “dominated” the period.

“He’s a totally different player (from last year),” McDaniels said. “He’s doing the physical things we thought he could do and really dominating the edge.”



Tim Tebow savored the atmosphere Saturday night. (PHOTO: MAXDENVER.COM)
4. All of the quarterbacks made fine accounts of themselves Saturday night, but Tebow was the unquestioned fan favorite – as expected. While his loudest roars were for runs and his touchdown pass to Thomas, Tebow’s most impressive throws came earlier in the series.

First, there was a medium-range pass where he read the coverage perfectly and found Matthew Willis, who did not appear to be his primary read. Later, on another pass to Thomas, Tebow placed the ball outside both the receiver and the defender, in a spot where only Thomas could grab it.

5. The crowd of 20,782 was not only a Broncos practice record, but more than 7.000 fans above the throng that gathered for last year’s open practice at Invesco Field. Even though Tebowpalooza might have driven some of the attendance, one would expect the numbers to rise as the event becomes an annual tradition.

ShutDownPoster
08-08-2010, 12:31 AM
That's a bummer about Bey Bey - landing awkwardly on that left foot that is recovering from a 5th Metatarsal fracture does not sound good. Lets hope it's just a twisted ankle.

BlaK-Argentina
08-08-2010, 12:32 AM
That's awesomee, thanks ShutDown! Can you do my avatar too please? :D

Sorry for derailing the thread. :P

Mogulseeker
08-08-2010, 12:44 AM
That's awesomee, thanks ShutDown! Can you do my avatar too please? :D

Sorry for derailing the thread. :P

I'd rather his avatar do me.

Steve Sewell
08-08-2010, 12:44 AM
My friends decided the best way to describe him is half tony sheffler, half Brandon Marshall.

Most surprisingly, McDaniels got a solid ovation walking out on the field.

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

HAT
08-08-2010, 12:47 AM
Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

I know, right? Scheffler?

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

uplink
08-08-2010, 12:54 AM
Am I the only one immature enough to snicker when reading this?
I didn't get it, thanks be. Sounds kind of fishy to me

uplink
08-08-2010, 01:02 AM
..

Jason7730
08-08-2010, 01:07 AM
I know, right? Scheffler?

Hilarious!Hilarious!Hilarious!

Scheff? Ha Frickity ha! They both have about a 4.6 speed range? This big boy has the real speed....

Chris
08-08-2010, 01:10 AM
..

Can you photoshop some nipples on this one?

RhymesayersDU
08-08-2010, 01:11 AM
Are you guys sure that our OLine sucked? I mean, we're talking about the Denver Broncos right?

I was told, hell, I was GUARANTEED that our OLine was completely fixed and that draft picks on the interior OLine produce right away at a very high level.

I know what's coming. Somebody is going to say to me "You're taking pleasure in being right. You DO want the Broncos to suck this year." Stop with that right now. But this is why I tempered my enthusiasm -- relying heavily on draft picks can be a dicey proposition. Hopefully they can improve.

HAT
08-08-2010, 01:26 AM
My friends decided the best way to describe him is half tony sheffler, half Brandon Marshall.



What did you & lex, jhns, bf7, rasta, drag & steele do after the scrimmage?

Jason7730
08-08-2010, 01:43 AM
What did you & lex, jhns, bf7, rasta, drag & steele do after the scrimmage?

Ha! They might not like that over at the bm board (insulting the knight that is)....

uplink
08-08-2010, 03:24 AM
Are you guys sure that our OLine sucked? I mean, we're talking about the Denver Broncos right?

I was told, hell, I was GUARANTEED that our OLine was completely fixed and that draft picks on the interior OLine produce right away at a very high level.

Hey it has only been a week of camp so far.

but OL is the worst unit on this team, by NFL standards IMO:
*Clady/Harris are above average pass blockers but average run blockers
*Kuper is average
*rest are below average - rookies unproven

Did this team run on anybody last year? I don't remember any game where they dominated in the run game. Seems they could not run on 3rd and 4th down all year long.

footstepsfrom#27
08-08-2010, 04:25 AM
Basically Tim took over Invesco with his time in the 11 on 11 drills.
I'm getting goosebumps...can't wait to see what this kid can really do once he gets it down.

tsiguy96
08-08-2010, 05:18 AM
taking broncos defense in fantasy this year.

Drek
08-08-2010, 06:08 AM
Are you guys sure that our OLine sucked? I mean, we're talking about the Denver Broncos right?

I was told, hell, I was GUARANTEED that our OLine was completely fixed and that draft picks on the interior OLine produce right away at a very high level.

I know what's coming. Somebody is going to say to me "You're taking pleasure in being right. You DO want the Broncos to suck this year." Stop with that right now. But this is why I tempered my enthusiasm -- relying heavily on draft picks can be a dicey proposition. Hopefully they can improve.

Dude, its camp. We don't have Clady yet, we're short Kuper for a little while.

Our OL looked like **** in camp back in '08. Then when games started they kicked ass. We're running the young guys hard and they're facing a deeper, more talented DL than any we've had in years. Its hardly surprising that they're struggling early.

The MVPlaya
08-08-2010, 06:15 AM
Dude, its camp. We don't have Clady yet, we're short Kuper for a little while.

Our OL looked like **** in camp back in '08. Then when games started they kicked ass. We're running the young guys hard and they're facing a deeper, more talented DL than any we've had in years. Its hardly surprising that they're struggling early.

+1

Man... for that OL to suck against that '08 defense must have been the only time that '08 defense ever had any success.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-08-2010, 07:24 AM
The stuff I saw from DT was mostly simple routes, plus some (really impressive) blocking. The Tebow touchdown absolutely threaded the needle between a corner and safety put it where only DT could get it. The other catches were all DT - people threw it in his general direction and he came down with it.

Even though it "threaded the needle," that touchdown was still all DT. No question about it. Kid's got hops and hands... can't wait to see him in a real game.

McDman
08-08-2010, 07:51 AM
Is no one concerned about DT's foot? If he re-broke it it's not going to be good. Foot injuries can be reoccurring.

Same with Decker's ankle.

McDman
08-08-2010, 08:00 AM
Ha! They might not like that over at the bm board (insulting the knight that is)....

If you're mean to anyone on the BM board they get all pissed and give you a warning or a ban. and they love their jorts over there.

CEH
08-08-2010, 09:14 AM
http://maxdenver.com/blog1/2010/08/07/five-observations-aug-7-practice/

Tim Tebow savored the atmosphere Saturday night. (PHOTO: MAXDENVER.COM)
4. All of the quarterbacks made fine accounts of themselves Saturday night, but Tebow was the unquestioned fan favorite Ė as expected. While his loudest roars were for runs and his touchdown pass to Thomas, Tebowís most impressive throws came earlier in the series.

First, there was a medium-range pass where he read the coverage perfectly and found Matthew Willis, who did not appear to be his primary read. Later, on another pass to Thomas, Tebow placed the ball outside both the receiver and the defender, in a spot where only Thomas could grab it.



Sure the hype is silly and has no bearing on whether he will succeed however I alluded to it earlier and I'm glad someone else picked up on it as well. The bold part was what impressed me the most about Tebow. Forget the hype, the he would have been sacked , I trying to see if this kid can play QB in the NFL. That throw plus several others I'll seen in TC suggest to me he has all the talent to play QB in this league. I'm sure McD is creaming his pants right now for the opportunity to mold a kid who enjoys football as much as he does.

Mason forgot to tell you it was also a bullet some 35 yards down field

montrose
08-08-2010, 10:38 AM
Last night was pretty cool, Josh received a big ovation when he came onto the field. Per the other reports, Tebow and Thomas were the stars. Tebow's best practice as a Bronco, he was reading the defense pretty well and throwing nice accurate passes. Far and away his biggest weakness is holding onto the ball too long - a much greater problem than his accuracy (which is fine for the most part), arm strength (which is actually really good) and motion (which seems corrected). Thomas was sick using his body to make big time catches. His foot came down on another foot (think basketball) on a jumping TD catch, not sure how bad it is. The DL continued to dominate the OL, even without Bannan. Jamal is an absolute beast and the goal-line DL of he, Fields, McBean and Thomas was straight nasty. Considering Bannan is our best DL, I'm pumped to see them all together. Ayers had a great night, he was in the backfield all practice. Haggan was back at OLB with Ayodele and Woody inside but I think if Moss can get healthy Mario looked better in camp at ILB (even though he was a solid OLB last year). Finally, gotta give props to Orton who continues to look solid and steady every practice - we'll see what happens when the game's begin but right now he's the easy leader in the clubhouse.

Hulamau
08-08-2010, 10:56 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK5H-QSeus0

Tebow to Thomas on the Thundertron

TheReverend
08-08-2010, 11:11 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK5H-QSeus0

Tebow to Thomas on the Thundertron

Nice find man.

I'm not afraid of calling it how it was. Tebow was fine. Orton was better. It wasn't close.

I need to see a LOT more from Tebow actually running an offense before I even think about giving him really high marks.

As for the people who love Tebow... I mean, that was to be expected, yes? There were people screaming about how amazing he was after he would have been sacked for a loss because he waited and tossed the ball to DT. It was a fine throw, yes, but they reacted like he'd just won the Super Bowl. "My! He is something, isn't he?! Holy cow, that Tim Tebow! What a throw!" (Actual quote) Me: "He would have been sacked on that play. the defender fell down in order not to hit the QB in practice." Her/him (couldn't tell): "yeah, but that throw! Is he something!??!?" Me: "I suppose. Wish he wouldn't have held on to the ball so long."

People that wanted to see Superman saw Superman. People who wanted to see reality saw reality.

Clearly you're talking about a different Tebow to Thomas play than the one in that video?

Broncoman13
08-08-2010, 11:18 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK5H-QSeus0

Tebow to Thomas on the Thundertron

Yeah, where is that would be sack that Moose was talking about? Hard to see b/c of the angle, but I didn't see Tebow hang on to the ball too long and I didn't see a "would be sack" either.

DT better not be hurt too long. This kid sounds like a mix between Larry Fitzgerald and Randy Moss but with the speed of a Andre Johnson. Seriously, this kid seems to be so physically gifted that he could be in the top 5 of all WRs within three or four years. I'm impressed. When we drafted him I thought we drafted a physical freak with barely average hands and lacking a good understanding of not only how to run a good route, but what the routes even were. So far it seems like he is only running a couple different routes, but what he does he does well.

Worried about Decker being dinged again too. Three years from now we may have DT, Deck, and Royal as our 1,2,3. If Royal can stay in that #3 (slot) position, this passing offense will be sick. I loved how the Patriots would stick Welker in that #3 spot and then search for whatever guy could play the #2. The #1 and #3 (Moss and Welker) were the ones that mattered most.

gyldenlove
08-08-2010, 11:18 AM
I am excited by what I am hearing about Thomas, we need that huge freak in there to create some serious chaos.

Jay3
08-08-2010, 11:18 AM
Nice find man.



Clearly you're talking about a different Tebow to Thomas play than the one in that video?

That's what I was thinking. The video was my first chance to see it. That's a five step drop, a read, and a decisive throw. If he doesn't have time to get that throw off, then we can just bag that play.

Not to overanalyze a single play (to the good or the bad), but I'm hearing a lot of this "he would have been sacked" stuff on lots of different plays. Almost as if there's an effort to wipe the good ones off the books.

I think we've got to assume there will be time for the routes to develop. If Tebow turns out to be David Carr, Jr. (hold ball until sacked, repeat), we're only going to know that under game conditions.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-08-2010, 11:20 AM
Nice find man.



Clearly you're talking about a different Tebow to Thomas play than the one in that video?

Clearly I am.

Don't worry. I'm in search of a youtube video that shows it clear as day. The defender essentially took a knee in front of Tebow, and he zinged one to a receiver. Fine throw. Would have been sacked. /shrug

Jay3
08-08-2010, 11:20 AM
Not trying to drive the point in the ground; didn't see Broncoman13's post until after mine.

Jay3
08-08-2010, 11:20 AM
Was that throw that is shown on the jumbotron video above the "good" one?

Broncoman13
08-08-2010, 11:21 AM
Nice find man.



Clearly you're talking about a different Tebow to Thomas play than the one in that video?

Maybe we just didn't have the angle and he was coming from Tebow's left, but there was the snap, the drop, the pump fake, and the toss. All in right at 4 seconds. Could have been a little quicker sure, but if this is considered hanging on to the ball too long and this is what folks are talking about then I'm supremely excited, he's only going to get quicker with his progressions and from what I see right now...they ain't bad.

go_broncos
08-08-2010, 11:22 AM
Excited about Thomas and Decker.
Can they stay healthy?
This is the same case with Tony Scheffler also.
Hopefully, the injuries are minor as we need them badly.

Broncoman13
08-08-2010, 11:24 AM
Not trying to drive the point in the ground; didn't see Broncoman13's post until after mine.

Don't feel bad, I was typing mine (and taking my time apparently) as Rev posted the exact same comments. There are some fans that "claim" they like Tebow and want him to succeed and then poo-poo on him every chance they get. Could be penis envy, could be not wanting to get their hopes up too high, and could be that they are just trying to be realistic. We'll never know and I have no idea what category Moose falls into, but on that play to DT, Tebow done good. ;D

Popps
08-08-2010, 11:27 AM
What did you & lex, jhns, bf7, rasta, drag & steele do after the scrimmage?

Holy ****.
Hilarious!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-08-2010, 11:28 AM
Don't feel bad, I was typing mine (and taking my time apparently) as Rev posted the exact same comments. There are some fans that "claim" they like Tebow and want him to succeed and then poo-poo on him every chance they get. Could be penis envy, could be not wanting to get their hopes up too high, and could be that they are just trying to be realistic. We'll never know and I have no idea what category Moose falls into, but on that play to DT, Tebow done good. ;D

Oy. Yes, that was a very good throw. DT made the play, though... I'm not sure any of our other receivers could have made that catch.

Of course I want Tebow to be successful. I'm just trying to temper the excitement a little bit since the reality of the situation is that he's not going to have a good grasp on the playbook until much, much later. Like, next season.

The fact is, the guy didn't take a single snap from under center in that practice that I saw. Granted, I was 15 minutes late. But still. That leaves an hour and 45 minutes of snaps with none coming under center. That says to me that he's going to be used in special packages this year, and I think that's for the best.

I'm not "poo pooing" Tebow's performance. It was fine. The guy's a rookie though, and he certainly does not have it all figured. He did hold on to the ball a long-ass time, and still has quite a windup with the football. These are things I'd like to see corrected. Soon.

Chris
08-08-2010, 11:29 AM
So far the only practice video on youtube is the one that's been posted here.

I'm perfectly happy with Tebow coming in for special packages and that being the extent of his involvement this season. I'm thinking he scores us a couple of TDs this year then becomes the starter in a year or two (perhaps even next year barring a Pro Bowl performance by Orton which would be a fantastic problem to have).

TheReverend
08-08-2010, 11:36 AM
Oy. Yes, that was a very good throw. DT made the play, though... I'm not sure any of our other receivers could have made that catch.

Of course I want Tebow to be successful. I'm just trying to temper the excitement a little bit since the reality of the situation is that he's not going to have a good grasp on the playbook until much, much later. Like, next season.

The fact is, the guy didn't take a single snap from under center in that practice that I saw. Granted, I was 15 minutes late. But still. That leaves an hour and 45 minutes of snaps with none coming under center. That says to me that he's going to be used in special packages this year, and I think that's for the best.

I'm not "poo pooing" Tebow's performance. It was fine. The guy's a rookie though, and he certainly does not have it all figured. He did hold on to the ball a long-ass time, and still has quite a windup with the football. These are things I'd like to see corrected. Soon.

Well he's certainly taking a snap from under center in that vid and making the appropriate read during his drop and getting the ball out and putting it in the perfect spot downfield for a TD between 2 defenders

As for DT making the play and not being sure any of our other receivers could've caught the ball... are you really even watching?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-08-2010, 11:40 AM
Well he's certainly taking a snap from under center in that vid and making the appropriate read during his drop and getting the ball out and putting it in the perfect spot downfield for a TD between 2 defenders

As for DT making the play and not being sure any of our other receivers could've caught the ball... are you really even watching?

Yes, and that's one snap, one throw. And yes, DT made the play on that ball to bring it in for a touchdown.

What's your problem, exactly?

TheReverend
08-08-2010, 11:44 AM
Yes, and that's one snap, one throw. And yes, DT made the play on that ball to bring it in for a touchdown.

What's your problem, exactly?

I don't have one.

You, on the other hand, seem to have come away from the scrimmage with the opposite opinion of the rest, and judging from that and your sterling review of that video I think you're either remarkably biased or really just don't have a clue.

What is it exactly that DT does in that vid that you don't think every other receiver could do? Make a completely un-interfered with catch without having to leave their feet?

Broncoman13
08-08-2010, 11:45 AM
Oy. Yes, that was a very good throw. DT made the play, though... I'm not sure any of our other receivers could have made that catch.

Of course I want Tebow to be successful. I'm just trying to temper the excitement a little bit since the reality of the situation is that he's not going to have a good grasp on the playbook until much, much later. Like, next season.

The fact is, the guy didn't take a single snap from under center in that practice that I saw. Granted, I was 15 minutes late. But still. That leaves an hour and 45 minutes of snaps with none coming under center. That says to me that he's going to be used in special packages this year, and I think that's for the best.

I'm not "poo pooing" Tebow's performance. It was fine. The guy's a rookie though, and he certainly does not have it all figured. He did hold on to the ball a long-ass time, and still has quite a windup with the football. These are things I'd like to see corrected. Soon.

I think you are trying to poo-poo on him. That or you really don't have an eye for the obvious. The play that is widely considered the best of the evening and you fail to notice that he is in fact under center. "The FACT is, the guy DIDN'T TAKE A SINGLE SNAP FROM UNDER CENTER..." Come on Moose, just admit you don't want the kid to do well and move on.

Tebow is going to make plenty of mistakes don't worry. You'll have some real and legit reasons to poo-poo on him eventually, but right now it's just making you look like a fool.

Jay3
08-08-2010, 11:45 AM
Do they enforce a pretty strict "no camera" policy at Invesco practices? Because I would have expected to see more crowd videos by now.

Buy maybe they're afraid of Belichick trying to do espionage.

By the way, I was googling for how to spell "Belichick" and turns out he has a hot girlfriend, thanks.

http://i279.photobucket.com/albums/kk148/anthony33333/1019.jpg

lostknight
08-08-2010, 11:50 AM
As for DT making the play and not being sure any of our other receivers could've caught the ball... are you really even watching?

:afro: Haters gonna hate.

Tebow had a fantastic day yesterday,but remember Simms last year. He doesn't have mastery of the playbook yet, and I am a bit worried that they are not getting good traction yet on the 3rd down packages.

But not question that he has looked better so far then Orton in camp last year.

SoCalBronco
08-08-2010, 11:58 AM
I think you are trying to poo-poo on him. That or you really don't have an eye for the obvious. The play that is widely considered the best of the evening and you fail to notice that he is in fact under center. "The FACT is, the guy DIDN'T TAKE A SINGLE SNAP FROM UNDER CENTER..." Come on Moose, just admit you don't want the kid to do well and move on.

Tebow is going to make plenty of mistakes don't worry. You'll have some real and legit reasons to poo-poo on him eventually, but right now it's just making you look like a fool.

While I don't doubt that some of Moose's observations about Tebow's lack of pocket presence are accurate, I think his dislike for Tebow's beliefs have, to some extent, colored his perceptions about what he sees on the football field.

diehardbroncosfan
08-08-2010, 12:16 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IK5H-QSeus0

Tebow to Thomas on the Thundertron

If that's a near sack, there's no way you can blame Tebow. That would mean the offensive line did not do their job at all. Tebow didn't hold the ball any longer than most regular QB's would in that situation and his delivery looked awesome.

Marshall Dumervil
08-08-2010, 12:16 PM
Do they enforce a pretty strict "no camera" policy at Invesco practices? Because I would have expected to see more crowd videos by now.

Buy maybe they're afraid of Belichick trying to do espionage.

By the way, I was googling for how to spell "Belichick" and turns out he has a hot girlfriend, thanks.


I saw a guy getting escorted out because he had a video camera. The deal is no video cameras or professional photography equipment. Nothing stopping you from taking a small camera.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-08-2010, 12:30 PM
I think you are trying to poo-poo on him. That or you really don't have an eye for the obvious. The play that is widely considered the best of the evening and you fail to notice that he is in fact under center. "The FACT is, the guy DIDN'T TAKE A SINGLE SNAP FROM UNDER CENTER..." Come on Moose, just admit you don't want the kid to do well and move on.

Tebow is going to make plenty of mistakes don't worry. You'll have some real and legit reasons to poo-poo on him eventually, but right now it's just making you look like a fool.

You're right. As a bronco fan, I clearly don't want a Bronco to do well. That makes zero sense. Please try again.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-08-2010, 12:31 PM
While I don't doubt that some of Moose's observations about Tebow's lack of pocket presence are accurate, I think his dislike for Tebow's beliefs have, to some extent, colored his perceptions about what he sees on the football field.

You're assuming an awful lot here. An awful lot.

It has nothing to do with Tebow's beliefs. Good grief. there isn't a witch hunt on for all Christians in this country, despite what you might want to believe.

I would love for Tebow to be great. I think in time he will be. I just don't see anything more than flashes at this point. That's all.

lostknight
08-08-2010, 12:35 PM
It has nothing to do with Tebow's beliefs. Good grief. there isn't a witch hunt on for all Christians in this country, despite what you might want to believe.

No, just on the orange-mane.

I would love for Tebow to be great. I think in time he will be. I just don't see anything more than flashes at this point. That's all.
Given the video, and then your interpretation of it, I suspect that you may just not be looking. Orton's looking solid - but definitely less solid then he was in TC, and Tebow looks better then he did in TC. Let's see how the next week plays out. Tebow's not going to start this year, barring a Orton collapse, so it really is safe (I promise Orton-mafia) to root for both of them.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-08-2010, 12:42 PM
No, just on the orange-mane.

Given the video, and then your interpretation of it, I suspect that you may just not be looking. Orton's looking solid - but definitely less solid then he was in TC, and Tebow looks better then he did in TC. Let's see how the next week plays out. Tebow's not going to start this year, barring a Orton collapse, so it really is safe (I promise Orton-mafia) to root for both of them.

The video... that shows one play? That's more than just a flash? Okay.

Makes perfect sense.

Don't worry, I'm rooting for both of them. I'm rooting for Orton to have a huge season, and rooting for Tebow to be responsible for 10 touchdowns on the year. I'm rooting for the Broncos to win, and everyone on the 53 man roster to contribute.

BigPlayShay
08-08-2010, 01:00 PM
Tebow looked good in his mid to long range passes. However, he struggled in the short game. One play he had a back out in the flats wide open, maybe a 10 yard pass that Tebow threw about 4 yards short and straight into the ground. This is concerning to me because we all know that there is an emphasis in this offense in the short game, getting the ball to backs on swings and the screen game. He has to improve in this area. And he does hold on to the ball to long, as all rookies typically do. In the move the ball period 11 vs 11, he was very sharp, but it was against 2s and there were a couple instances where defenders had to hold up that would have been pressures or sacks.

It must also be noted that he did come in with the ones, but just to run the ball (Wild Jesus).

diehardbroncosfan
08-08-2010, 01:10 PM
Tebow looked good in his mid to long range passes. However, he struggled in the short game. One play he had a back out in the flats wide open, maybe a 10 yard pass that Tebow threw about 4 yards short and straight into the ground.

It's weird to me that he's struggling with that, because he seemed to be called on at Florida to do a lot of screens and shorter passes. Maybe it's just a timing thing right now?

BowlenBall
08-08-2010, 01:32 PM
(Wild Jesus)

Hilarious!ROFL!LOL

Can't stop giggling....

Homer Simpson
08-08-2010, 01:35 PM
Tebow looked good in his mid to long range passes. However, he struggled in the short game. One play he had a back out in the flats wide open, maybe a 10 yard pass that Tebow threw about 4 yards short and straight into the ground. This is concerning to me because we all know that there is an emphasis in this offense in the short game, getting the ball to backs on swings and the screen game. He has to improve in this area. And he does hold on to the ball to long, as all rookies typically do. In the move the ball period 11 vs 11, he was very sharp, but it was against 2s and there were a couple instances where defenders had to hold up that would have been pressures or sacks.

It must also be noted that he did come in with the ones, but just to run the ball (Wild Jesus).

Oh my Tebow Josh please call it the wild Jesus!

gtown
08-08-2010, 01:36 PM
Tebow looked good in his mid to long range passes. However, he struggled in the short game.

If Tebow is gonna struggle, I am glad it is here and not the mid- to long-range game which seems to require natural ability rather than seasoning.

outdoor_miner
08-08-2010, 02:21 PM
If Tebow is gonna struggle, I am glad it is here and not the mid- to long-range game which seems to require natural ability rather than seasoning.

Exactly... Short passes can be corrected... If you can't make the mid to long range throws, you are in trouble.

lostknight
08-08-2010, 02:43 PM
Tebow looked good in his mid to long range passes. However, he struggled in the short game. One play he had a back out in the flats wide open, maybe a 10 yard pass that Tebow threw about 4 yards short and straight into the ground. This is concerning to me because we all know that there is an emphasis in this offense in the short game, getting the ball to backs on swings and the screen game. He has to improve in this area. And he does hold on to the ball to long, as all rookies typically do. In the move the ball period 11 vs 11, he was very sharp, but it was against 2s and there were a couple instances where defenders had to hold up that would have been pressures or sacks.

It must also be noted that he did come in with the ones, but just to run the ball (Wild Jesus).

They rotated the ones in at one point, and left tebow out there.
DT was running with both ones and twos.

And once again, the ones defense was also rotated in against him.

BigPlayShay
08-08-2010, 03:11 PM
They rotated the ones in at one point, and left tebow out there.
DT was running with both ones and twos.

And once again, the ones defense was also rotated in against him.

http://twitter.com/PostBroncos/status/20636127924

PostBroncos: 2nd RT @gunner247: Does anyone know what string defense Tebow scored those TDs against? @onlygators @GatorRIVALS

lostknight
08-08-2010, 03:18 PM
http://twitter.com/PostBroncos/status/20636127924

PostBroncos: 2nd RT @gunner247: Does anyone know what string defense Tebow scored those TDs against? @onlygators @GatorRIVALS

Which is why Champ was on the field during the last drive.

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 03:34 PM
Will the Broncos become the unofficial team of N. Florida? ;D

Falconer
08-08-2010, 03:45 PM
Sorry about this, I tried to post a new thread several times, but it wouldn't let me. I figured this is as good of place as any to try to post.

This was the first training camp I have ever attended, and I really enjoyed myself. I decided not to do camp reports each day, as others were doing them and I would have just been repeating most of what they had to say. Instead I decided to wait until I returned home and give a kind of overview.

As far as QBs go, Orton was easily the best out there. However, I thought all of the QBs held on to the ball way to long. I am worried that Quinn will end up doing a disappearing act, as Orton is the present and Tebow looks like the future.

The starting WRs look to be Gaffney, Lloyd, and Royal. They are catching everything in sight. Thomas looks to be having a better camp than Decker. I was surprised by this as I expected Decker to be a more polished and sure handed reciever, but Thomas rarely drops anything.

Our best running back was Tebow, and that is only because he cannot be hit. Hopefully we can get this worked out as our starters return.

The offensive line is pretty offensive at this point. This is kind of expected with two rookies and a second stringer in the first team at this point I guess. Hopefully they will gel as a unit and Clady will be back sooner than later.

The defensive line was ok, but hopefully the addition of J. Williams will serve only to strengthen it.

I thought Ayers looked more confident and involved than last year. He is regularly in the backfield. Dumerville also was looking good, before the injury. Haggen was also making plays with regularity.

I actually am one of the few that thought Alonzo Smith was having a decent camp. He was knocking away passes and I only saw him get burned once. Cox is looking ok as well. I think Cox is actually the best returner right now. He seems to have a burst nobody else has.

Here are a few pics I took as well:

Falconer
08-08-2010, 03:47 PM
Here are a few more.

Falconer
08-08-2010, 03:49 PM
These are the last I will bore you with.

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 03:53 PM
Tebow is massive.

Dude looks like a middle linebacker who made his way behind the line of scrimmage!

Homer Simpson
08-08-2010, 04:08 PM
Brilliant pictures Falconer!

Paladin
08-08-2010, 04:16 PM
In nearly every picture of Tebow throwing, when he has wound up and is about to moive his arm forward, his hand is on top of the ball. Contrast to Ortin who has his hand under the ball. In cold and wet weather Tebow will lose some fumbles. Look at the fourth and fifth pictures above.

BlaK-Argentina
08-08-2010, 04:57 PM
Awesome pics Falconer! Thanks!

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 05:00 PM
In nearly every picture of Tebow throwing, when he has wound up and is about to moive his arm forward, his hand is on top of the ball. Contrast to Ortin who has his hand under the ball. In cold and wet weather Tebow will lose some fumbles. Look at the fourth and fifth pictures above.

You obviously have no idea whats going on here.

Clearly, Tebow's hand, instead of the geometric center of the earth, is the center of gravity. It can only leave when he lets it.

Kaylore
08-08-2010, 06:22 PM
You're assuming an awful lot here. An awful lot.

It has nothing to do with Tebow's beliefs. Good grief. there isn't a witch hunt on for all Christians in this country, despite what you might want to believe.

I would love for Tebow to be great. I think in time he will be. I just don't see anything more than flashes at this point. That's all.

You're not even seeing the flashes though. I mean that was a good play and he was under center, which you said never happened once. And he was decisive and didn't hold the ball too long. Clearly its clouding evaluation at least some. Either you're missing obvious things or making them up.

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 06:27 PM
You're not even seeing the flashes though. I mean that was a good play and he was under center, which you said never happened once. And he was decisive and didn't hold the ball too long. Clearly its clouding evaluation at least some. Either you're missing obvious things or making them up.

I would gladly trade the militant anti-Christian Tebow haters (a signficant portion of the Tebow-haters, and not to be confused with the anti-Christian Tebow-tolerating Broncos fans) for the jort-wearing Florida Tebow groupies. At least they'll have a positive attitude. Ha!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-08-2010, 06:31 PM
You're not even seeing the flashes though. I mean that was a good play and he was under center, which you said never happened once. And he was decisive and didn't hold the ball too long. Clearly its clouding evaluation at least some. Either you're missing obvious things or making them up.

I am seeing the flashes. That was a good pass. Yes, I missed that he was under center. Every other play I watched of his, I swear to god, he was in the shotgun.

I'm not quite sure why it matters so much whether or not I suck his cock. Seems like there'd be more cock for the rest of you if I just left you to it.

oubronco
08-08-2010, 06:37 PM
The Tebow knobslobbing is getting ridiculous i mean the guy hasn't even taken a snap in a game

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 06:43 PM
The Tebow knobslobbing is getting ridiculous i mean the guy hasn't even taken a snap in a game

Tebow is a phenomenon. He is so fiercely devoted to competition that he plants a little seed of belief in your mind.

Everyone wants their QB to be this super tough winner. Tebow plays football like an old school linebacker and it resulted in wins in college. He became arguably the best college player of all time. Its not out of the realm of the imagination to see that he could be a good player, and that if things work out, that he could be a great player.

oubronco
08-08-2010, 06:53 PM
Yes but the way people are drooling over him you would think he was the next Montana except reality is he is a project and when and if he does become the starter then let the drooling begin as of now he hasn't even beatin out Quinn

Jay3
08-08-2010, 07:07 PM
Yes but the way people are drooling over him you would think he was the next Montana except reality is he is a project and when and if he does become the starter then let the drooling begin as of now he hasn't even beatin out Quinn

This is an example of the kind of anti-Tebow hysteria that's just as unreasonable as blind Tebow man-crush. You don't get to declare what reality is, what the facts are, anymore than a fan of Tebow does. If you're skeptical, you're skeptical. If your eyes tell you he's not an NFL quarterback, so be it. If experience tells you that most qb's, even good ones, are flummoxed their first year or two and ride the pine (like Rivers and Aaron Rogers), that's a reasonable position.

But look at what you actually said up there -- "reality is he is a project." That what your considerable opinion is telling you, but it's not everybody's opinion. "Project" has a definite connotation that he is a long way from being able to start at quarterback. It's not the same thing as just not being a starter (i.e. losing out to Orton). It's a comment on his ability to play the position.

You may be right, but you don't just get to declare that a "reality," and anybody who can't see it is a crazy fan. I think you're dead wrong that he's a project. I think he displays obvious talent, skill, and ability, and will be hounding for more playing time ( and starting) sooner rather than later.

Now, I'm interested in discussing the information that comes out, to bounce it off of all our opinions. It's what the NFL so fun. The constant analysis of "does this guy have it or not?" (Could apply to Tebow, McD, Moreno, everyone.).

But some of us are not interested in analyzing the mental state of "why do people think Tebow is good?" or "why do the haters gotta hate?" Time will tell. It's a sport. We're supposed to follow and form anticipations and expectations in our mind.

So just notice that you're tending to afford your own opinion the force of "reality" that you can see clearly. Those are the kinds of things people respond to. There's countless little shots here and there taken at Tebow, and declared as obvious fact. Yes, there's countless little optimistic statements about Tebow.

The Tebow people see both sides plenty. They may be crazy, but they are aware of both sides. The Tebow detractors (or skeptics, whatever you prefer) tend to be blind that their own side exists.

They're saying tons of stuff that you've pulled out of your own ass and declaring it as it if is a fact.

TheReverend
08-08-2010, 07:09 PM
Yes but the way people are drooling over him you would think he was the next Montana except reality is he is a project and when and if he does become the starter then let the drooling begin as of now he hasn't even beatin out Quinn

Yeah! I mean, camp has been going for like... one full week. How dare he not top the depth chart by now!

lostknight
08-08-2010, 07:09 PM
Yes but the way people are drooling over him you would think he was the next Montana except reality is he is a project and when and if he does become the starter then let the drooling begin as of now he hasn't even beatin out Quinn

Greatest college player of all time. Let that sink in a bit. Now realize that some idiots have decided that he isn't good enough for the NFL. Can you see why there might be some people rooting for him?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-08-2010, 07:29 PM
Greatest college player of all time. Let that sink in a bit. Now realize that some idiots have decided that he isn't good enough for the NFL. Can you see why there might be some people rooting for him?

I would think every Bronco fan would be rooting for him.

Jay3
08-08-2010, 07:32 PM
I would think every Bronco fan would be rooting for him.

You'd be wrong.

oubronco
08-08-2010, 08:37 PM
Greatest college player of all time. Let that sink in a bit. Now realize that some idiots have decided that he isn't good enough for the NFL. Can you see why there might be some people rooting for him?

Who says he's the greatest college football player of all time? I'm sure there are alot of former players who would disagree can you see that?

Now i'm not saying I don't like Tebow all i'm saying is the hype is getting utter ridiculous

oubronco
08-08-2010, 08:38 PM
I would think every Bronco fan would be rooting for him.

And yes I am rooting for him but do you remember the hype Darrius Watts got? Tebow's hype is ridiculously worse and I think i'll wait for him to show it on the field

lostknight
08-08-2010, 08:43 PM
I would think every Bronco fan would be rooting for him.

I would think so too - there is a expectation gap that new College Football fans are having with the pro game, but also a fair bit of snobbery aimed back at them by the NFL fans that refuse to watch college game. Throw in being religous, and the *ahem* heated *ahem* rhetoric aimed at him because of his use of football as a platform, it's made for a .... interesting mix.

I think a lot of people just don't understand what he accomplished (it might be arguable that he is the greatest college player ever - but it's not arguable that he is in the argument), and a lot of people don't understand that the quickest way to ruin a quarterback is to put them into a game with sub-par understanding, protection and preperation.

Last night, and this week have been exciting - not because they prove that Tebow is ready to lead a team, but that all signs are pointing to the fact that he will be able to lead a NFL team.

BlueCrusher
08-08-2010, 08:48 PM
<a href="http://s1001.photobucket.com/albums/af137/DaytonaBronco/?action=view&current=TebowWaterboy.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1001.photobucket.com/albums/af137/DaytonaBronco/TebowWaterboy.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Am I the only one that sees the Waterboy smile?

Edit: Credit Falconer for the original picture.

Chris
08-08-2010, 08:58 PM
Tebow is a phenomenon. He is so fiercely devoted to competition that he plants a little seed of belief in your mind.

Everyone wants their QB to be this super tough winner. Tebow plays football like an old school linebacker and it resulted in wins in college. He became arguably the best college player of all time. Its not out of the realm of the imagination to see that he could be a good player, and that if things work out, that he could be a great player.

inception

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 09:38 PM
inception

Exactly.

I couldnt stand the dude because I couldnt understand why people talked about him as though he was as good of a player as the QB of my team (Sam Bradford). I thought it was all hype until I saw him take over a completely evenly matched championship game against Oklahoma in the fourth quarter. Tebow was the difference.

He won my respect with that game.

It appears as though my story is common. Alot of great college programs were knocked down by Tebow's Gators.

Tebow's college highlights are awe-inspiring. Dude was amazing. He won the benefit of my doubt.

Kaylore
08-08-2010, 09:44 PM
I am seeing the flashes. That was a good pass. Yes, I missed that he was under center. Every other play I watched of his, I swear to god, he was in the shotgun.

I'm not quite sure why it matters so much whether or not I suck his cock. Seems like there'd be more cock for the rest of you if I just left you to it.

I'm hardly a Tebow cock-sucker. I didn't like what we gave up to draft him and I'm not sold yet he'll live up to the hype. I've been saying as much since we drafted him. That doesn't mean I poo poo everything he does. You've consistently been sarcastic and apathetic about him since he came here. Tebow's work ethic alone will keep him in the league for some time. Why not hope for the best for him rather than resenting him for his religion?

baja
08-08-2010, 09:49 PM
One thing I strongly suspect is true is that a lot of teams were very disappointed when we snagged Tebow when we did. I think it will prove to be a huge coup.

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 09:53 PM
One thing I strongly suspect is true is that a lot of teams were very disappointed when we snagged Tebow when we did. I think it will prove to be a huge coup.

I agree. I'll always remember the Buffalo owner's spurned lover diatribe and the silence out of Jacksonville.

Jay3
08-09-2010, 05:40 AM
He would not have made it past the Panthers at pick 40. I think they would have taken Tebow over Clausen.

The real question is whether he would have been taken earlier than that by Minnesota, Buffalo, Cleveland, and possibly even New England.

The way McD and Bellichick snake each other, I often get this sneaking suspicion that McD got intel that New England was going to grab Tebow. (I know, it probably makes no sense, and it would be to have a Wildcat backup to put pressure on Brady to sign a reasonable contract).

lostknight
08-09-2010, 06:44 AM
One thing I strongly suspect is true is that a lot of teams were very disappointed when we snagged Tebow when we did. I think it will prove to be a huge coup.

Given what Darth Belicheck did to us last week vis a via sniping a injured player on waivers, I rather suspect that they might still be miffed that a player that was widely reported that they wanted got grabbed by McDaniels (at a decent cost) earlier.

That being said, it looks like we basically got DT and Tebow with a single first round draft pick, and that may end up being one of the great steals in the draft in the long run.

Also, when you trade, you try not to trade too much forward of the team you are worried about, the Cardinals had the next pick, I suspect that we were worried about them finding a replacement for Kurt Warner in Tebow.

lostknight
08-09-2010, 06:47 AM
The way McD and Bellichick snake each other, I often get this sneaking suspicion that McD got intel that New England was going to grab Tebow. (I know, it probably makes no sense, and it would be to have a Wildcat backup to put pressure on Brady to sign a reasonable contract).


It's exactly consistent with how New England likes to draft - plan for way in the future, and give Tebow a hell of a lot of time carrying a clipboard and getting ready to replace Tom, and put some pressure on Brady. It was reported in the media before hand.

Ray Finkle
08-09-2010, 07:09 AM
The following teams were after Tebow....

Buffalo, NE, Cleveland, Carolina, J-ville, and I heard rumors from my buddy that the Eagles were thinking of him in the second.....

Broncoman13
08-09-2010, 08:36 AM
Yeah! I mean, camp has been going for like... one full week. How dare he not top the depth chart by now!

I think you've set the expectations way too low. He should have won his second Superbowl by now. He sucks, plain and simple.

I'd also like to add that McSkillet summed it up pretty well in why I too like Tebow so much. Old School Linebacker mentality. The guy has no quit in him and when Champ Bailey is willing to go and give him props and high-fives after the kid beats him, you know he is already winning over some of the team's leaders. I won't say that Tebow is going to be a top 5 QB (though I think it is eventually going to happen), but I think he will be the unquestioned leader, perhaps as soon as next season and he will get more out of his teammates than any other QB in Denver ever did. Sure, that is a bold statement considering what Elway was and still is to Denver... but think about it this way. The way the team responded when Elway played his ass off in the 97-98 Superbowl (helicopter play, etc.) is what you will get from Tebow from day one. He'll never have the talent of a John Elway, but he'll lead like Elway did in years 10-15 from the very beginning. I am excited to have Tebow on our team and I will pull for that kid to pan out b/c I love that old school mentality he brings, every day, every play, regardless of what anyone thinks of him.

Broncoman13
08-09-2010, 08:46 AM
Greatest college player of all time. Let that sink in a bit. Now realize that some idiots have decided that he isn't good enough for the NFL. Can you see why there might be some people rooting for him?

Not just idiots. Some very good personnel people in the NFL decided the same thing. Personally, I don't think they gave his character and work ethic enough credit. Keep in mind, there were a lot of teams that graded him out as a 3rd or 4th rounder. I'm glad Josh had the confidence in both Tebow and himself to go out and get him. Tebow could flop and the whole world can look at him (and McD) and say I told you so... but with the flashes and progress he's made in less than 6 months, I'm putting my money on him being a steal. Maybe not in the same category as Jerry Rice, Dan Marino, or Joe Montana (in terms of draft steals) but in the category of an Al Wilson or Trevor Pryce. Late first round pick that is a fan favorite, team leader, and multiple Pro-bowls. Sky is the limit with this kid's character and work ethic. I love the fact that he wants to be great not for himself but for Coach McD for having faith in him and selecting him in the first round.

enjolras
08-09-2010, 09:22 AM
I think we'll really know what we have in one weeks time. So far, his mechanics have more or less held-up under pressure (although one of his completions at Invesco had a weird hitch in it). When that first preseason game finally comes, we'll really get to see if that motion holds up at game speed. If it does, then I'll be very optimistic about Tebows future.

Jay3
08-09-2010, 09:27 AM
Not just idiots. Some very good personnel people in the NFL decided the same thing. Personally, I don't think they gave his character and work ethic enough credit. Keep in mind, there were a lot of teams that graded him out as a 3rd or 4th rounder. I'm glad Josh had the confidence in both Tebow and himself to go out and get him. Tebow could flop and the whole world can look at him (and McD) and say I told you so... but with the flashes and progress he's made in less than 6 months, I'm putting my money on him being a steal. Maybe not in the same category as Jerry Rice, Dan Marino, or Joe Montana (in terms of draft steals) but in the category of an Al Wilson or Trevor Pryce. Late first round pick that is a fan favorite, team leader, and multiple Pro-bowls. Sky is the limit with this kid's character and work ethic. I love the fact that he wants to be great not for himself but for Coach McD for having faith in him and selecting him in the first round.

I believe that a "safe" echo chamber developed around the assessment of Tebow during his sophomore year, when Kiper declared emphatically he would never be an NFL quarterback. Sophomore year. Some quarterbacks haven't even won the starting job in college their sophomore year, while Tim was shredding records.

But "safety" becomes a very powerful force in evaluating players. I love the book Moneyball by Michael Lewis (about baseball) and The Blind Side. You realize that professional sports can become very much an echo chamber based on how things are supposed to look. And it becomes that much less likely that someone will stick his neck out and say "pick Tim Tebow."

I think he will be viewed as a steal. Urban Meyer said he would spend the first overall pick on Tim Tebow, if that's what it took to get him. I would have done the same.

And "work ethic" and "character?" Yeah, they're off the charts. But that's not enough. Tim Tebow is a physical freak with those off the charts intangibles. He has the size. He has off the charts quickness. He had the largest hands at the combine of any quarterback (a surprisingly important stat). He broke the record for highest passer rating in college. He had an amazingly high career completion record, with an amazingly high yards per attempt. He had an amazingly high third down conversion rate.

So Tebow is more than a leader and a character guy. I've posted before (elsewhere) -- You know that saying that goes "the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the the world he doesn't exist?" Well, the greatest trick Tim Tebow ever played was somehow convincing the world he's an underdog. The boy's a one-in-a-million freak.

Broncoman13
08-09-2010, 09:37 AM
I believe that a "safe" echo chamber developed around the assessment of Tebow during his sophomore year, when Kiper declared emphatically he would never be an NFL quarterback. Sophomore year. Some quarterbacks haven't even won the starting job in college their sophomore year, while Tim was shredding records.

But "safety" becomes a very powerful force in evaluating players. I love the book Moneyball by Michael Lewis (about baseball) and The Blind Side. You realize that professional sports can become very much an echo chamber based on how things are supposed to look. And it becomes that much less likely that someone will stick his neck out and say "pick Tim Tebow."

I think he will be viewed as a steal. Urban Meyer said he would spend the first overall pick on Tim Tebow, if that's what it took to get him. I would have done the same.

And "work ethic" and "character?" Yeah, they're off the charts. But that's not enough. Tim Tebow is a physical freak with those off the charts intangibles. He has the size. He has off the charts quickness. He had the largest hands at the combine of any quarterback (a surprisingly important stat). He broke the record for highest passer rating in college. He had an amazingly high career completion record, with an amazingly high yards per attempt. He had an amazingly high third down conversion rate.

So Tebow is more than a leader and a character guy. I've posted before (elsewhere) -- You know that saying that goes "the greatest trick the devil ever played was convincing the the world he doesn't exist?" Well, the greatest trick Tim Tebow ever played was somehow convincing the world he's an underdog. The boy's a one-in-a-million freak.

Very good points and I didn't mean to suggest that he wasn't physically gifted. I assumed that was a given. The triangle numbers, the highest vert, quick cone drills, etc all say that he is a freak. Athletically, he is in the same class as guys like Akili Smith, Vince Young, and Jay Cutler. But his character and work ethic are what truly distinguish him from players like Vick, Young, or Cutler. Rarely do you even get the opportunity to play football at a Texas, Florida or Virginia Tech without being an incredible athlete. Anyhow, it was an assumption that everyone knew that T2 was as physically gifted as any player in the draft.

Jay3
08-09-2010, 09:51 AM
Very good points and I didn't mean to suggest that he wasn't physically gifted. I assumed that was a given. The triangle numbers, the highest vert, quick cone drills, etc all say that he is a freak. Athletically, he is in the same class as guys like Akili Smith, Vince Young, and Jay Cutler. But his character and work ethic are what truly distinguish him from players like Vick, Young, or Cutler. Rarely do you even get the opportunity to play football at a Texas, Florida or Virginia Tech without being an incredible athlete. Anyhow, it was an assumption that everyone knew that T2 was as physically gifted as any player in the draft.

Agreed, and I realize what you were saying.

I think Tebow fanboys* sometimes tend to latch on the work ethic or character thing to try and convey the strong impression they have formed about Tebow from watching him for years. In reality, Tebow has never, ever, found himself not up to any task. On the football field, in game situations, he has always made good high percentage decisions and had the talent to carry them out. There's something innate he has for the game of football -- "Tim, you've got four tries to get 10 yards. Do it." He's the ultimate gamer.

It's like his character is inseparable from the player he is on the field (which I guess is the textbook definition of integrity).

Tebow personifies the word "integrity." Those types of people do tend to be lightning rods.


*I am one.

Rabb
08-09-2010, 09:55 AM
we will get to see a lot of T2 this week, I cannot wait...I don't care if it's against scout teams, I want to see him in a game

of course, if he does well the excuse will be that it was 3rd stringers

Drek
08-09-2010, 09:58 AM
Athletically, he is in the same class as guys like Akili Smith, Vince Young, and Jay Cutler.

Not even close. All of Tebow's combine numbers except the 40 yard dash are comparable with the best athletes in his class, not just athletic QBs.

I lifted this from a thread I made several months back:




Player 40 Bench Vert 20 10 Broad Shuttle Cone

A 4.71 38 38 1/2 2.66 1.55 09'07" 4.17 6.66

B 4.34 18 32 1/2 2.50 1.48 09'05" 4.17 6.75

C 4.27 18 35 2.41 1.48 10'01" 4.18 6.86

D 4.40 19 43 2.51 1.54 10'10" 4.23 6.80

E 4.42 17 35 2.50 1.51 10'00" 4.34 7.12

F 4.52 18 35 2.56 1.53 10'05" 4.34 6.94

G 4.37 19 36 2.50 1.49 10'01" 4.33 7.00


Now I've been pretty outspoken in thinking that 40 times are a massively overrated stat for everyone but WRs and CBs, because they're the only guys who ever actually run anything close to that distance in a straight line. Compare these guys other stats like vertical (how explosive he is from a standing position), 10 yard dash (short range speed), 20 yard dash (intermediate speed), 20 yard shuttle (acceleration) and 3 cone (agility).

FYI, here's who is listed up there.

A. Tebow
B. Best
C. Spiller
D. Berry
E. Tate
F. Haden
G. Matthews

Tebow can run with the best athletes he'll ever see on a football field, at any position. He is as much an athletic freak at the QB position as Mike Vick but he doesn't have the off-field concerns, a far better work ethic, and more accuracy and polish as a passer.

gyldenlove
08-09-2010, 10:16 AM
Not even close. All of Tebow's combine numbers except the 40 yard dash are comparable with the best athletes in his class, not just athletic QBs.

I lifted this from a thread I made several months back:




Player 40 Bench Vert 20 10 Broad Shuttle Cone

A 4.71 38 38 1/2 2.66 1.55 09'07" 4.17 6.66

B 4.34 18 32 1/2 2.50 1.48 09'05" 4.17 6.75

C 4.27 18 35 2.41 1.48 10'01" 4.18 6.86

D 4.40 19 43 2.51 1.54 10'10" 4.23 6.80

E 4.42 17 35 2.50 1.51 10'00" 4.34 7.12

F 4.52 18 35 2.56 1.53 10'05" 4.34 6.94

G 4.37 19 36 2.50 1.49 10'01" 4.33 7.00


Now I've been pretty outspoken in thinking that 40 times are a massively overrated stat for everyone but WRs and CBs, because they're the only guys who ever actually run anything close to that distance in a straight line. Compare these guys other stats like vertical (how explosive he is from a standing position), 10 yard dash (short range speed), 20 yard dash (intermediate speed), 20 yard shuttle (acceleration) and 3 cone (agility).

FYI, here's who is listed up there.

A. Tebow
B. Best
C. Spiller
D. Berry
E. Tate
F. Haden
G. Matthews

Tebow can run with the best athletes he'll ever see on a football field, at any position. He is as much an athletic freak at the QB position as Mike Vick but he doesn't have the off-field concerns, a far better work ethic, and more accuracy and polish as a passer.

It is all about the mental side of the game, if he can pick up the mental speed necesary to play in the NFL he will succeed, if not, he will fail.

He has the athletic ability, the mentality and the can easily overcome any mechanics issues.

Tebow like Young, Vick, or a young Warren Moon or Steve Mcnair has the potential to bring challenges to a defense that few others can bring, he could be a special player if everything comes together.

Rabb
08-09-2010, 10:22 AM
It is all about the mental side of the game, if he can pick up the mental speed necesary to play in the NFL he will succeed, if not, he will fail.

He has the athletic ability, the mentality and the can easily overcome any mechanics issues.

Tebow like Young, Vick, or a young Warren Moon or Steve Mcnair has the potential to bring challenges to a defense that few others can bring, he could be a special player if everything comes together.

I actually love that you said that name...so many people bag on Tebow saying that the game won't change for him

ask Moon about that, in many aspects

CEH
08-09-2010, 10:28 AM
Saturday night Tebow was running boots and completing 15 yard outs in the 7 on 7.

We know Orton is ahead but he is limiited with what you can do from the QB position. Josh seems like a creative cat so it sure would be nice to have a full playbook available.

These preseason games will give us a glimpse where Tebow is.

Seeing Tebow and Bey Bey chest bump after their touchdown Sat night I could only think Cutler/Marshall without the off field issues or internal conflicts

PRBronco
08-09-2010, 10:42 AM
Not even close. All of Tebow's combine numbers except the 40 yard dash are comparable with the best athletes in his class, not just athletic QBs.

I lifted this from a thread I made several months back:




Player 40 Bench Vert 20 10 Broad Shuttle Cone

A 4.71 38 38 1/2 2.66 1.55 09'07" 4.17 6.66

B 4.34 18 32 1/2 2.50 1.48 09'05" 4.17 6.75

C 4.27 18 35 2.41 1.48 10'01" 4.18 6.86

D 4.40 19 43 2.51 1.54 10'10" 4.23 6.80

E 4.42 17 35 2.50 1.51 10'00" 4.34 7.12

F 4.52 18 35 2.56 1.53 10'05" 4.34 6.94

G 4.37 19 36 2.50 1.49 10'01" 4.33 7.00


Now I've been pretty outspoken in thinking that 40 times are a massively overrated stat for everyone but WRs and CBs, because they're the only guys who ever actually run anything close to that distance in a straight line. Compare these guys other stats like vertical (how explosive he is from a standing position), 10 yard dash (short range speed), 20 yard dash (intermediate speed), 20 yard shuttle (acceleration) and 3 cone (agility).

FYI, here's who is listed up there.

A. Tebow
B. Best
C. Spiller
D. Berry
E. Tate
F. Haden
G. Matthews

Tebow can run with the best athletes he'll ever see on a football field, at any position. He is as much an athletic freak at the QB position as Mike Vick but he doesn't have the off-field concerns, a far better work ethic, and more accuracy and polish as a passer.

Holy **** is that a typo? Did Tebow really do 38 reps?

Drek
08-09-2010, 10:47 AM
Holy **** is that a typo? Did Tebow really do 38 reps?

Multiple sources list him as having done 38 reps of 225 at his pro day. He did not lift at the combine however.

Dagmar
08-09-2010, 10:51 AM
Multiple sources list him as having done 38 reps of 225 at his pro day. He did not lift at the combine however.

Holy ****ing ****. :strong:

Chris
08-09-2010, 11:06 AM
One thing I strongly suspect is true is that a lot of teams were very disappointed when we snagged Tebow when we did. I think it will prove to be a huge coup.

Goodell was visibly disappointed. Watch that video again. Check out the look on his face and how he raises his eyebrows to a member of the audience.

Broncoman13
08-09-2010, 11:07 AM
I get what you are saying, but how is that not even close? The only thing he has on guys like Young, Smith and Cutler is the Bench Press (is 38 accurate, I thought that was a misprint... insane if it's true. I know that he set the mark but I thought it was 28.)

Besides, we are saying the same thing. I didn't go into detail about Tebow being physically capable b/c I figured it was a given. Dude is a physical freak, what more can I say?

Not even close. All of Tebow's combine numbers except the 40 yard dash are comparable with the best athletes in his class, not just athletic QBs.

I lifted this from a thread I made several months back:




Player 40 Bench Vert 20 10 Broad Shuttle Cone

A 4.71 38 38 1/2 2.66 1.55 09'07" 4.17 6.66

B 4.34 18 32 1/2 2.50 1.48 09'05" 4.17 6.75

C 4.27 18 35 2.41 1.48 10'01" 4.18 6.86

D 4.40 19 43 2.51 1.54 10'10" 4.23 6.80

E 4.42 17 35 2.50 1.51 10'00" 4.34 7.12

F 4.52 18 35 2.56 1.53 10'05" 4.34 6.94

G 4.37 19 36 2.50 1.49 10'01" 4.33 7.00


Now I've been pretty outspoken in thinking that 40 times are a massively overrated stat for everyone but WRs and CBs, because they're the only guys who ever actually run anything close to that distance in a straight line. Compare these guys other stats like vertical (how explosive he is from a standing position), 10 yard dash (short range speed), 20 yard dash (intermediate speed), 20 yard shuttle (acceleration) and 3 cone (agility).

FYI, here's who is listed up there.

A. Tebow
B. Best
C. Spiller
D. Berry
E. Tate
F. Haden
G. Matthews

Tebow can run with the best athletes he'll ever see on a football field, at any position. He is as much an athletic freak at the QB position as Mike Vick but he doesn't have the off-field concerns, a far better work ethic, and more accuracy and polish as a passer.

Chris
08-09-2010, 11:10 AM
Multiple sources list him as having done 38 reps of 225 at his pro day. He did not lift at the combine however.

38? I haven't done more than 6 per set on my own (granted i'm a smaller dude at 176 lbs). Jesus.

Jay3
08-09-2010, 11:39 AM
Guys, love this discussion -- for my two cents here's a post I made on April 25, right after the draft. My intent was to provide a useful service to the Broncos fans who were just then focusing on what they had in Tebow:

Old Broncos Fans, New Tebow Fans -- Let's look at Tebow's NFL Combine Results
So, the pick of Tebow has sunk in, and you're being optimistic. But you're hearing "intangibles" and "works hard" and thinking "yeah . . . but that won't be enough in the NFL."

Now you're ready to look at the second ingredient in the secret of Tim Tebow. He's a God-gifted physical freak, who ALSO has those intangibles and work ethic.

Now, let's say you weren't paying attention to his combine performance. You heard he did well, and you now know if he had even done mediocre it would have been shouted from the rooftops.

With an eye towards evaluating whether WORK and DESIRE will combine with natural ability, let's now look at the COLD, HARD FACTS from the combine.

First, let's get the 40 time out of the way -- a very respectable 4.72. Fourth best among quarterbacks, and nobody above him is as big, strong or complete as Tebow.

Now it gets fun. Let's do vertical leap -- a freakish 38.5. Highest among quarterbacks by far, and tied for the all-time record for a quarterback at the combine. That's right -- Tim Tebow had the highest vertical leap in history for a quarterback at the combine. His jump would have been the 4th highest among running backs (at the combine!!)

So you think you've about got the picture? Think again. It gets even more puzzling and freakish from there. In the 60-yard shuttle (a drill that measures running back and forth on an open field) Tim Tebow posted a better time than any running back at the NFL combine. Also better than any linebacker, any tight end. Tebow would have been the third best wide receiver in 60 yard shuttle. His time was off the charts for a 240 pound monster of a quarterback.

Are we done? No. Let's do 3 cone drill -- you barely get to move in this drill. Just cutting back and forth from standstill. Tim Tebow posted a better 3 cone drill time than any running back at the combine. A 240 pound QB would have been the third best receiver in 3 cone drill, and tied for first among cornerbacks.

Finally, one more kicker -- Tebow had a set of mitts on him. He had the biggest hands among quarterbacks, with a handspan of over 10 inches. He's got Big Ben's hands.


The point is -- no, effort, will, and intangibles alone wont do it. But Tim Tebow is an example of a gifted athlete at the quarterback position, COMBINED with the mind for it, the personality for it, and the will to do whatever it takes.

That's why they say "don't bet against this guy." And that's why many of us believe it's ridiculous to have doubts about him other than the doubts you would (rightly) have about any college quarterback being able to translate to the pro offense.

Combine results here -- http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers?tabIndex=2

Thread here: http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=166807

lostknight
08-09-2010, 11:57 AM
But "safety" becomes a very powerful force in evaluating players. I love the book Moneyball by Michael Lewis (about baseball) and The Blind Side. You realize that professional sports can become very much an echo chamber based on how things are supposed to look. And it becomes that much less likely that someone will stick his neck out and say "pick Tim Tebow."


Every GM, Sports-fan and player should be required to read Moneyball. As soon as you start diving into Tebow's college stats, he goes from a "doesn't look like a NFL QB" to "oh my god, how can we get him on my team? In particular, his QB weighted rating (factoring in the teams he actually placed), interceptions per passing attempt and downfield accuracy are by far the best in the draft. Then add in a few thousand yards rushing. The NFL is way behind baseball in understanding how statistics reflect their game.



And "work ethic" and "character?" Yeah, they're off the charts. But that's not enough. Tim Tebow is a physical freak with those off the charts intangibles. He has the size. He has off the charts quickness. He had the largest hands at the combine of any quarterback (a surprisingly important stat). He broke the record for highest passer rating in college. He had an amazingly high career completion record, with an amazingly high yards per attempt. He had an amazingly high third down conversion rate.


Stats matter, but Tebow said it best - Work beats talent when talent doesn't work. Hence the Jamarcus Russell problem.

lostknight
08-09-2010, 11:59 AM
Very good points and I didn't mean to suggest that he wasn't physically gifted. I assumed that was a given. The triangle numbers, the highest vert, quick cone drills, etc all say that he is a freak. Athletically, he is in the same class as guys like Akili Smith, Vince Young, and Jay Cutler. But his character and work ethic are what truly distinguish him from players like Vick, Young, or Cutler. Rarely do you even get the opportunity to play football at a Texas, Florida or Virginia Tech without being an incredible athlete. Anyhow, it was an assumption that everyone knew that T2 was as physically gifted as any player in the draft.

Be careful on Cutler - as much as we like to digg at him now, he didn't have a issue with work ethic. Cutler lacked the other portion of a QB's job - being a visible leader. Cutler also had the bench room record that Tebow took - strength isn't a issue.

Last year is probably mostly due to being in a system without any talented linemen or receivers and without a playbook that works for him. Any time you change the system your QB is in, you turn him back into a Rookie. Cutler's got the same problem this year, but be careful about generalizations.

lostknight
08-09-2010, 12:05 PM
Holy **** is that a typo? Did Tebow really do 38 reps?

One of my favorite Tebow stories ( I think it was in the newsweek piece, but not sure) was that when he was visiting UofF as a senior during a recruiting trip he stopped by the weight room, and asked if he could life. Casually asked what the record was in the room, and proceeded to beat the record.

Broncoman13
08-09-2010, 12:10 PM
Be careful on Cutler - as much as we like to digg at him now, he didn't have a issue with work ethic. Cutler lacked the other portion of a QB's job - being a visible leader. Cutler also had the bench room record that Tebow took - strength isn't a issue.

Last year is probably mostly due to being in a system without any talented linemen or receivers and without a playbook that works for him. Any time you change the system your QB is in, you turn him back into a Rookie. Cutler's got the same problem this year, but be careful about generalizations.

Pretty sure I said CHARACTER and work ethic. Work ethic may not have been an issue but his character is beyond poor.

Broncoman13
08-09-2010, 12:13 PM
Be careful on Cutler - as much as we like to digg at him now, he didn't have a issue with work ethic. Cutler lacked the other portion of a QB's job - being a visible leader. Cutler also had the bench room record that Tebow took - strength isn't a issue.

Last year is probably mostly due to being in a system without any talented linemen or receivers and without a playbook that works for him. Any time you change the system your QB is in, you turn him back into a Rookie. Cutler's got the same problem this year, but be careful about generalizations.

PS, you don't turn a QB into a rookie everytime you change systems. There is a ton of carry over in terminology and every single system begins with reading a defense the same exact way. Sorry but that logic is flawed. You were right with the OLine protection the lack of receiving talent and you could have even went down the timing route, but moving to Chicago didn't turn Cutler into a rookie just as moving to DC isn't turning McNabb into a rookie.

Drek
08-09-2010, 12:17 PM
I get what you are saying, but how is that not even close? The only thing he has on guys like Young, Smith and Cutler is the Bench Press (is 38 accurate, I thought that was a misprint... insane if it's true. I know that he set the mark but I thought it was 28.)

Besides, we are saying the same thing. I didn't go into detail about Tebow being physically capable b/c I figured it was a given. Dude is a physical freak, what more can I say?

Young, Smith, and Cutler didn't come close to Tebow in any of the short yardage drills as well. They're comparable in the 40 time, but none of them where 245 pounds when they did the combine either.

If Tebow was a middle linebacker he'd be viewed as one of the greatest athletes to play his position of all time. If he was a TE he'd be viewed as one of the greatest athletes to play his position. If he was a safety he'd be viewed as a potentially elite 8th man in the box with his athleticism and size. If he played RB he'd be viewed as a Mike Alstott/Brandon Jacobs big power back.

Instead he's a QB and Mike Vick is the only person to play the position who compares to him athletically. His short range speed and explosiveness is otherworldly.

Ray Finkle
08-09-2010, 12:20 PM
One of my favorite Tebow stories ( I think it was in the newsweek piece, but not sure) was that when he was visiting UofF as a senior during a recruiting trip he stopped by the weight room, and asked if he could life. Casually asked what the record was in the room, and proceeded to beat the record.

he beat the record after finishing a burger and fries.....

Rabb
08-09-2010, 12:25 PM
Young, Smith, and Cutler didn't come close to Tebow in any of the short yardage drills as well. They're comparable in the 40 time, but none of them where 245 pounds when they did the combine either.

If Tebow was a middle linebacker he'd be viewed as one of the greatest athletes to play his position of all time. If he was a TE he'd be viewed as one of the greatest athletes to play his position. If he was a safety he'd be viewed as a potentially elite 8th man in the box with his athleticism and size. If he played RB he'd be viewed as a Mike Alstott/Brandon Jacobs big power back.

Instead he's a QB and Mike Vick is the only person to play the position who compares to him athletically. His short range speed and explosiveness is otherworldly.

and while we don't what will happen, I just don't see how all of this wouldn't make a Broncos fan excited as hell

Rabb
08-09-2010, 12:26 PM
he beat the record while finishing a burger and fries.....

fixed

Boobs McGee
08-09-2010, 12:30 PM
Guys, love this discussion -- for my two cents here's a post I made on April 25, right after the draft. My intent was to provide a useful service to the Broncos fans who were just then focusing on what they had in Tebow:



Thread here: http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=166807

Holy sweet **** on a stick those are some incredible numbers. I seriously had no idea. Wow!

cutthemdown
08-09-2010, 12:31 PM
Be careful on Cutler - as much as we like to digg at him now, he didn't have a issue with work ethic. Cutler lacked the other portion of a QB's job - being a visible leader. Cutler also had the bench room record that Tebow took - strength isn't a issue.

Last year is probably mostly due to being in a system without any talented linemen or receivers and without a playbook that works for him. Any time you change the system your QB is in, you turn him back into a Rookie. Cutler's got the same problem this year, but be careful about generalizations.

Cutler seems to lose weight every yr though. They say he has diabetes all in check, or whatever it is they say he has, but I think maybe it hurts him late in the yr. Tebow IMO will be stronger for longer into the season then Cutler.

Pony Boy
08-09-2010, 12:32 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigPlayShay
(Wild Jesus)


Hilarious!ROFL!LOL

Can't stop giggling....

This must stick......Tebow in the "Wild Jesus formation"

Dr. Broncenstein
08-09-2010, 12:35 PM
Tebow looked good in his mid to long range passes. However, he struggled in the short game. One play he had a back out in the flats wide open, maybe a 10 yard pass that Tebow threw about 4 yards short and straight into the ground. This is concerning to me because we all know that there is an emphasis in this offense in the short game, getting the ball to backs on swings and the screen game. He has to improve in this area. And he does hold on to the ball to long, as all rookies typically do. In the move the ball period 11 vs 11, he was very sharp, but it was against 2s and there were a couple instances where defenders had to hold up that would have been pressures or sacks.

It must also be noted that he did come in with the ones, but just to run the ball (Wild Jesus).

Holy lord that's funny. This has to stick.

jhns
08-09-2010, 12:36 PM
I'm pretty sure Tebow never lifted at his pro day. I was impressed by the 38 reps being talked about and decided to look into it. Either it didn't happen or no one was impressed as no one reported it. It isn't listed with the complete breakdown of the Florida pro day that shows what all the players did in different drills.

I think the 38 comes from a nike training camp that he did before college. He did 38 reps of 185 at that time.

TheReverend
08-09-2010, 12:38 PM
Multiple sources list him as having done 38 reps of 225 at his pro day. He did not lift at the combine however.

He didn't lift at his pro day either.

TheReverend
08-09-2010, 12:44 PM
I'm pretty sure Tebow never lifted at his pro day. I was impressed by the 38 reps being talked about and decided to look into it. Either it didn't happen or no one was impressed as no one reported it. It isn't listed with the complete breakdown of the Florida pro day that shows what all the players did in different drills.

I think the 38 comes from a nike training camp that he did before college. He did 38 reps of 185 at that time.

^

Yes, you're right. He came in and showed off his new throwing motion all day and then left.

montrose
08-09-2010, 12:51 PM
He didn't lift at his pro day either.

He was interviewed by Vic and Gary not too long after the draft and they asked him. If I remember correctly, he said he hadn't tested since he was a Freshman at Florida and he got it 38 times.

Drek
08-09-2010, 12:59 PM
I'm pretty sure Tebow never lifted at his pro day. I was impressed by the 38 reps being talked about and decided to look into it. Either it didn't happen or no one was impressed as no one reported it. It isn't listed with the complete breakdown of the Florida pro day that shows what all the players did in different drills.

I think the 38 comes from a nike training camp that he did before college. He did 38 reps of 185 at that time.

NFL Draft Scout/CBS Sportsline listed him as having done 38 reps at 225 for his pro day.

I'm a touch skeptical myself, but NFL Draft Scout is a pretty damn reliable site. They have full, complete, and pretty much always 100% accurate combine and pro day numbers for everyone every year.

TheProfessor
08-09-2010, 01:03 PM
For what it's worth,

I was at that practice, and to be honest, Iwasn't much of a tebow fan prior to that practice. Don't get me wrong like most other bronco fans I hope he succeeds, there just isn't much of a history of system type college QB's making it in the NFL.

-BUT-

Here's the funny thing; everything he did Sat night worked. When he ran the ball he looked just like he did at Florida. Sure the defense is told not to lay him out, but to be honest no one was ever in a position to do so. As a matter of fact on one play he ran wide and put a wicked stiff arm on some one and ended up getting the first down. Unlike vick and other running qb's his game has very little to do with top speed. The kid just finds opening and picks up yards.

As for his progression on the NFL aspects of his game. Again everything just worked that night. His delivery is still long and awkward, but assuming that isn't his achilies heel everything else about him is NFL worthy. He has the arm strength, he has the accuracy (at lest he did sat night), and he has the ability to throw on the run. Add that to his leadership and work ethic and we might actually have something here.

I'm still a little nervous about his long range potential, but as of right now everything seems to be going in the right direction.

TheReverend
08-09-2010, 01:04 PM
He was interviewed by Vic and Gary not too long after the draft and they asked him. If I remember correctly, he said he hadn't tested since he was a Freshman at Florida and he got it 38 times.

Yeah, don't get me wrong. It's certainly believable. He just hasn't officially done it. Honestly the nerves and pressure in those situations could elevate the number even.

Regardless, the only way bench applies to a QB is to show their work ethic. Tebow's is in no way, shape or form in question, so it's a completely irrelevant statistic.

NFL Draft Scout/CBS Sportsline listed him as having done 38 reps at 225 for his pro day.

I'm a touch skeptical myself, but NFL Draft Scout is a pretty damn reliable site. They have full, complete, and pretty much always 100% accurate combine and pro day numbers for everyone every year.

They're wrong. He didn't lift at the combine or his pro day.

Drek
08-09-2010, 01:05 PM
He didn't lift at his pro day either.

Ok, good to know. I'm guessing someone was just obsessed with filling stat boxes that day and mistook his HS numbers for his pro-day then.

He's put on ~30 pounds since then so it'd be very interesting to see how much he can actually put up.

Aaron Hernandez (his teammate from Florida) did 30 reps at 225 for his pro day (so says SI's pro day raps) and Tebow is supposed to be the big record holder in Florida's weight room. So his actual lift numbers would be interesting.

Of course it should all be taken with a grain of salt since if we where to completely trust every number that comes out of the NFL for player lift total Larry Allen would hold some world records with his bench numbers.

TheReverend
08-09-2010, 01:09 PM
NFL Draft Scout/CBS Sportsline listed him as having done 38 reps at 225 for his pro day.

I'm a touch skeptical myself, but NFL Draft Scout is a pretty damn reliable site. They have full, complete, and pretty much always 100% accurate combine and pro day numbers for everyone every year.

Wait... they're not wrong

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66563&draftyear=2010&genpos=QB

They have it blank. You sure you weren't reading his vertical column twice accidentally?

Jay3
08-09-2010, 01:11 PM
The rumor is that they had to make him quit lifting at things where you can just keep upping the weight (like squats and bench), because he's so driven he needs to pull back on that kind of thing.

Ballistic strength is more important for a QB, and Tebow's got that in spades.

Jay3
08-09-2010, 01:16 PM
It's been my understanding he didn't lift. I assumed it was because he was right in the middle of intensive throwing clinics, and didn't want to disrupt any of that. The bench is of less use in evaluating a quarterback, and everybody knows Tebow would be off the charts in that one if he wanted to be.

Drek
08-09-2010, 01:25 PM
Wait... they're not wrong

http://www.nfldraftscout.com/ratings/dsprofile.php?pyid=66563&draftyear=2010&genpos=QB

They have it blank. You sure you weren't reading his vertical column twice accidentally?

NFL Draft Scout stopped updating their site's combine numbers during pro days when they reached a partnership with CBS Sports.

HERE UNDER AGILITY TEST (http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1114680)

But I've always been rather skeptical of it. 38 bench reps should be a big deal. Its why when I made the original thread with the table I put a disclaimer with the bench number.

In reality the bench number is largely irrelevant for Tebow, as you said. He's obviously got more than enough strength for the NFL level. The real highlight of the table is his agility numbers and how well they stack up with the best athletes in his draft, all of whom he outweighs by ~20 pounds.

Jay3
08-09-2010, 01:31 PM
Here's the combine results if anybody wants to just click around: http://www.nfl.com/combine/top-performers#tp-tab-set-1:tp-grid-container-forty-yard-dash

It's actually not all results, just the "leaders," but luckily Tim was a leader in everything so it's easily to analyze his performance.

lostknight
08-09-2010, 01:40 PM
I think the 38 comes from a nike training camp that he did before college. He did 38 reps of 185 at that time.

Actually, NFL and ESPN listed the lifts. Not sure where they were from.

epicSocialism4tw
08-09-2010, 03:10 PM
we will get to see a lot of T2 this week, I cannot wait...I don't care if it's against scout teams, I want to see him in a game

of course, if he does well the excuse will be that it was 3rd stringers

There will always be excuses. If Tebow takes over the league, people will still say he's overrated.

Before he squashed the hopes of my Sooners, I had my doubts as well. But he's like a great warrior...when he beats you you cant help but respect him because of the way he does and goes about it.

enjolras
08-09-2010, 04:25 PM
Bah I get it... I hated Tebow right up until the very moment he put on Broncos Orange. I'll hate him again the moment he leaves:)

Dagmar
08-09-2010, 04:37 PM
Bah I get it... I hated Tebow right up until the very moment he put on Broncos Orange. I'll hate him again the moment he leaves:)

Even if he wins a SB and retires a Bronco?

Lev Vyvanse
08-09-2010, 04:56 PM
Actually, NFL and ESPN listed the lifts. Not sure where they were from.

Nike training camp?

oubronco
08-09-2010, 05:21 PM
Posted August 9, 2010 (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/08/09), 1:05 pm MT
McDaniels’ injury dilemma: Pop or Puff?

By Mike Klis (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/author/mike-klis/)

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Brian Dawkins (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/brian-dawkins/), Champ Bailey (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/champ-bailey/), Jamal Williams (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/jamal-williams/), Josh McDaniels (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/josh-mcdaniels/), Justin Bannan (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/justin-bannan/), Kyle Orton (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/kyle-orton/), Mike Shanahan (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/mike-shanahan/), Tom Brady (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/tom-brady/)

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2010/08/mcdaniels.jpg (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2010/08/mcdaniels.jpg) Josh McDaniels (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/josh-mcdaniels/) has a tough choice to make: practice hard and risk injury, or beg off and coast to the opener. (Karl Gehring, The Denver Post)

This is why Josh McDaniels (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/josh-mcdaniels/) gets paid the relatively big bucks.
McDaniels has been trying to bring an Eastern-style of NFL toughness to the laid-back Rocky Mountains. It’s not just New England, but the New York Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins, Pittsburgh Steelers, even the Buffalo Bills who are known for playing a bruising, physical brand of football. Out in the oft-inclimate East, far more games are won at the line of scrimmage than at quarterback, with the Pats and Tom Brady (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/tom-brady/) providing the occasional exception.
So unlike his predecessor Mike Shanahan (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/mike-shanahan/), McDaniels ordered his Broncos players to put the pads on and pop each other during training camp. Then came injury after injury leaving McDaniels with the realization that if he didn’t back off, the Broncos will struggle to reach the starting line.
And so McDaniels has backed off. I’m guessing the Broncos will have no more than three, two-a-day practice sessions — Wednesday and Thursday of this week; Wednesday of the following week — before training camp concludes August 19.
The problem with injuries dictating practice plans, though, is it can get the players to start thinking about all the injuries. Football players can never, ever fear getting hurt.
It’s going to be difficult for McDaniels to continue instilling a physical mentality in his team if he continues to adjust the practice schedule around injuries. Then again, one more significant injury to a key player and the Broncos can start thinking about next year before this year begins.
McDaniels is in a tough spot. What will help him get through this, though, is all those 30-somethings he has on defense. Brian Dawkins (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/brian-dawkins/) and Champ Bailey (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/champ-bailey/) don’t need training camp to bring it come Sept. 12. Neither does Jamal Williams (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/jamal-williams/) or Justin Bannan (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/justin-bannan/).
Even quarterback Kyle Orton (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/kyle-orton/) is at the point in his career where he could pull a Brett Favre and still be ready for Game 1.
One win against Jacksonville — one, 60-minute performance — and it will be amazing how quickly the Broncos’ fortunes will heal. If they don’t win, the pain may deepen.
Yes, I’m saying given their circumstances, the opener is more significant than usual for the Broncos.

oubronco
08-09-2010, 05:26 PM
Aug 9, 2010 10:25 am US/Mountain
Haggan's Versatility Helps Injury-Riddled LB Corps



PAT GRAHAM - AP Sports Writer
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. (AP) ―
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</DL><DT itxtvisited="1"> </DT><DT itxtvisited="1"> </DT>There was a time in Mario Haggan's career when he only got on the field for kickoffs and when another linebacker needed a quick breather.


That was typically it, as far as his role went.


Until last season, that is, when the Denver <NOBR style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; COLOR: #4a95e1; FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_1_0>Broncoshttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif</NOBR> (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#) veteran deviated from the script, seizing the starting job out of camp and suiting up every game.


Now, a year later, Haggan may be the most valuable member of a dinged-up linebacker crew.


With Pro Bowler Elvis <NOBR style="FONT-FAMILY: Helvetica, Arial, sans-serif; COLOR: #4a95e1; FONT-SIZE: 100%; FONT-WEIGHT: normal" id=itxt_nobr_3_0>Dumervilhttp://images.intellitxt.com/ast/adTypes/mag-glass_10x10.gif</NOBR> (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#) headed for surgery on his torn pectoral muscle and possibly out for the season, Jarvis Moss sidelined with a broken right hand and captain D.J. Williams missing for an unspecified reason, Haggan brings what coach Josh McDaniels has always emphasized -- versatility.


Haggan was slated to slide into the inside linebacker spot this season after playing opposite Dumervil on the outside all last year. This was a way to incorporate first-round picks Moss and Robert Ayers even more into the 3-4 scheme that relies heavily on linebackers.


But with the injury to Dumervil, Haggan may be asked to head back to his outside position.


Not that he minds. Inside or outside doesn't matter as long as he's on the field.


"Right now I'm just going where they want me. I think I have the ability to contribute," said Haggan, who's in his eighth season.


It sure beats a role limited primarily to special teams, which is pretty much what he did in five seasons with Buffalo and his first year with Denver in 2008, when he was brought in midway through the season.


He never started until last season, and then hardly left the field. He was the first player in 24 seasons to play in every game after at least 73 contests without a start.


This was a distinction he was satisfied to shed.


Another big task now awaits -- bolstering the pass rush without the NFL's reigning sacks king. Dumervil had 17 sacks last season -- Haggan has had three in his career.


But the Broncos aren't asking him to be Dumervil's duplicate. Just himself.


"He has to go out and be Mario," Pro Bowl safety Brian Dawkins said. "When you're thinking, you're going to be a step slow. When you don't think and you know, then you can let your athleticism show. I think that's where Mario is going to go."


As for replacing Dumervil's production, Haggan said it's only going to happen through everyone pulling a little more of the weight. No one player can simply step in.


"That's a blow to our defense, but that's what we practice for," said Haggan, a three-year starter at Mississippi State. "That's what camp's for. That's why you have a depth chart."


Dumervil's void gives players such as Ayers a shot at more snaps. Ayers is coming off a shaky rookie season in which he didn't have a sack.


So far in camp, though, Ayers has looked solid, earning the praise of teammates and coaches.


"I have my goals and we have our team goals and we're going to keep trucking (http://www.orangemane.com/BB/#) toward them, with or without Elvis," said Ayers, the 18th overall pick in 2009. "That's what Elvis would want for me to say and that's how he would want me to approach it."


The thinning of the linebackers has also opened up more reps for middle linebacker Akin Ayodele, a ninth-year player who started 15 games for the Miami Dolphins last season.


"If I do well, I'll earn my position," Ayodele said Saturday night after practice at Invesco Field. "This league is about being competitive, pushing each other."


Considering their recent rash of injuries, though, are the Broncos possibly pushing too hard?


"There's nothing you can do about it," Ayodele said. "You can make practice easier and guys are still going to get hurt. ... You have to have a game-like practice and make it like that for guys to understand what it takes to win."


So many early injuries for the beleaguered Broncos.


Tailbacks Knowshon Moreno (hamstring) and Correll Buckhalter (back) went down minutes apart midway through the first practice of training camp.


From there, the ailments have only intensified.


Denver has had no fewer than 13 players miss time for medical reasons and another two players -- receiver Kenny McKinley and safety Josh Barrett -- experience season-ending injuries.


These days, a dark cloud appears to be hovering over Dove Valley.

"I don't think of bad luck," Haggan said. "Everything happens for a reason. ... Maybe it's the opportunity for some other guys to shuffle around and show what they can do. It all happens for a reason."

oubronco
08-09-2010, 05:30 PM
Denver Broncos Training Camp 2010: Five Broncos having a great camp (http://broncotalk.net/2010/08/16650/broncos-blog/denver-broncos-training-camp-2010-five-broncos-having-a-great-camp/)


Posted Mon Aug 9th by Kyle (http://broncotalk.net/author/kmonty/)


http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/quinn_willis-300x161.jpg (http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/quinn_willis.jpg) Training camp! Denver Broncos QB Brady Quinn and WR Matthew Willis line up for a drill as fans watch on Wednesday, August 3, 2010 (BroncoTalk.net)

It’s training camp — time to step up or shut up, as the football gods would say, and some Denver Broncos have insisted on the former.
The Broncos are one week in, and we’ve been able to watch and take notes on every practice the Broncos have held to date. Now, it’s only one week of practice — there’s a lot of football still to be played, so take this for what it’s worth — but here are five guys who have most surprised us with a number of great practices, and who have impressed us enough to raise our expectations for them in 2010.
(Check back later for the other end of the spectrum: five Broncos having a not-so-great camp.)
WR Matthew Willis
He’s easily been the surprise of training camp, coming up from the Broncos’ practice squad to start in Week 17 last year only to improve upon that statement this training camp. We’d be so bold as to say Willis has been making a strong argument for a starting spot this year. Yes, Matthew Willis. Starting spot.
http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/matthewwillis1-295x300.jpg (http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/matthewwillis1.jpg) Receiver Matthew Willis has been the big surprise of 2010 camp (BroncoTalk.net)

He has made the toughest catches in camp, time after time, and — perhaps more impressively — shown that he isn’t afraid to get in his defender’s face and go after an off ball, if only to bat it down and ensure his opponent doesn’t come up with the interception. Those plays all occur with a body adjustment he has to make in a fraction of a second. That’s the type of move you usually only see grisled veterans make. Which is appropriate: by the way Willis talks, he’s been soaking up everything his more experienced teammates have been telling him like a sponge, and his work ethic is second to none. It’s impossible not to like and root for this kid.
http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/perrishcox-268x300.jpg (http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/perrishcox.jpg) Rookie corner Perrish Cox put on a clinic in Champ's absence, and has been solid throughout camp (BroncoTalk.net)

CB Perrish Cox
The league’s best cornerback over the past decade, Champ Bailey, is sitting out practice, and you — a fifth round rookie — are tasked with filling in his shoes. How do you perform?
How does hauling in two interceptions and a number of pass breakups in team drills sound? That’s exactly what Perrish Cox did, and he’s rightly usurped more experienced corners for Champ’s vaunted backup left corner spot on the depth chart because of it. In addition to his coverage chops, Cox has been the smoothest and most dangerous returner of the Broncos’ bunch in special teams work, displaying a deceptive quickness in his cuts with little wasted motion.
http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ryanmcbean-150x150.jpg (http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/ryanmcbean.jpg) Ryan McBean had a strong camp in 2009 as well; hopefully the defensive end can continue that production late into 2010 (BroncoTalk.net)

DE Ryan McBean
The Broncos paid defensive end Jarvis Green $4.5 million in 2010 alone to come and make a difference on their defensive line, but so far it’s been 2009 starter Ryan McBean taking the first-team reps. And for good reason — McBean has shown to be tough to contain in both his pass rush and run support. Some of these plays he’s been making on his own, tossing around opposing offensive linemen in one-on-one drills, but his tenacity is amplified in team drills, especially since big Jamal Williams has arrived to open things up for him. With Green, Williams and Justin Bannan in the rotation, and McBean looking better than ever, we expect a big year out of this defensive line.
http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/jarvismoss1-300x207.jpg (http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/jarvismoss1.jpg) Jarvis Moss is looking for redemption in 2010 (BroncoTalk.net)

OLB Jarvis Moss
It’s unfortunate Jarvis Moss suffered a broken bone in his left hand Thursday, because the outside linebacker was beginning to bear the fruits of his oft-discussed offseason labor. Coaches have praised Moss’ work all offseason, and one could easily discern a difference between his attitude and work ethic in 2010 from that of a year ago (you may recall Moss didn’t show up in training camp’s early days, reportedly contemplating retirement).
Moss has been the Broncos’ sack-happiest defender in practice throughout the week. He still needs work getting off his blocks: in particular, he’s still figuring out how to get under his blocker’s push when he’ll get out-leveraged, stood up, and taken out of plays. But if Moss can play with a club cast like reports have suggested, and if he comes back with the same motivation he had prior to the injury, there’s potential for a breakout year from the 2007 first round “bust.”
http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/kyleorton-300x220.jpg (http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/kyleorton.jpg) Another year in head coach Josh McDaniels' system has quarterback Kyle Orton looking better than ever (BroncoTalk.net)

QB Kyle Orton
The difference between Kyle Orton now and Kyle Orton a year ago isn’t all that dissimilar to the difference between he and backups Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow, and Kyle Orton has clearly and consistently shown to be the superior thrower in every practice to date. He has a better understanding of the nuances of Josh McDaniels‘ system, he’s quicker in his reads, and his arm (and it’s possible this is a product of these other improvements and only our perception) is stronger than ever. He has the best deep ball accuracy of the group (a product of his experience with the timing of these throws) and the best throwing motion in general, particularly in the speed of his delivery. His arm isn’t the strongest of the group, but it’s strong enough. He makes all of the throws. He isn’t the most mobile, but he’s getting the job done better than either of his counterparts, and better than he was this time last year.
http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/demaryiusthomas2-300x265.jpg (http://broncotalk.net/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/demaryiusthomas2.jpg) Denver Broncos rookie wide receiver Demaryius Thomas (BroncoTalk.net)

Honorable mention: Rookie wide receiver Demaryius Thomas was struggling with catching the ball to start training camp, but came on strong (very strong) over the last few practices. He thrilled the crowd with a pair of touchdowns at INVESCO Field Saturday before limping to the locker room with a foot/ankle injury. Hopefully the prognosis will be good, because Thomas was just starting to show the type of potential for which the Broncos drafted him 22nd overall: playmaking not just in the distant future, but in 2010.
And if he can come back, it’ll likely be the best of he, Willis, and Brandon Lloyd (who’s also having a good camp) for that #2 WR spot. That sounds pretty good to us.
If you’ve been at training camp, who has impressed you? To everyone, who are you hoping breaks out in 2010? Dish it out in the comments.

elsid13
08-09-2010, 05:31 PM
Posted August 9, 2010 (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/08/09), 1:05 pm MT
McDanielsí injury dilemma: Pop or Puff?

By Mike Klis (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/author/mike-klis/)

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Brian Dawkins (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/brian-dawkins/), Champ Bailey (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/champ-bailey/), Jamal Williams (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/jamal-williams/), Josh McDaniels (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/josh-mcdaniels/), Justin Bannan (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/justin-bannan/), Kyle Orton (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/kyle-orton/), Mike Shanahan (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/mike-shanahan/), Tom Brady (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/tom-brady/)

http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2010/08/mcdaniels.jpg (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/files/2010/08/mcdaniels.jpg) Josh McDaniels (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/josh-mcdaniels/) has a tough choice to make: practice hard and risk injury, or beg off and coast to the opener. (Karl Gehring, The Denver Post)

This is why Josh McDaniels (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/josh-mcdaniels/) gets paid the relatively big bucks.
McDaniels has been trying to bring an Eastern-style of NFL toughness to the laid-back Rocky Mountains. Itís not just New England, but the New York Giants, Philadelphia Eagles, Washington Redskins, Pittsburgh Steelers, even the Buffalo Bills who are known for playing a bruising, physical brand of football. Out in the oft-inclimate East, far more games are won at the line of scrimmage than at quarterback, with the Pats and Tom Brady (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/tom-brady/) providing the occasional exception.
So unlike his predecessor Mike Shanahan (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/mike-shanahan/), McDaniels ordered his Broncos players to put the pads on and pop each other during training camp. Then came injury after injury leaving McDaniels with the realization that if he didnít back off, the Broncos will struggle to reach the starting line.
And so McDaniels has backed off. Iím guessing the Broncos will have no more than three, two-a-day practice sessions ó Wednesday and Thursday of this week; Wednesday of the following week ó before training camp concludes August 19.
The problem with injuries dictating practice plans, though, is it can get the players to start thinking about all the injuries. Football players can never, ever fear getting hurt.
Itís going to be difficult for McDaniels to continue instilling a physical mentality in his team if he continues to adjust the practice schedule around injuries. Then again, one more significant injury to a key player and the Broncos can start thinking about next year before this year begins.
McDaniels is in a tough spot. What will help him get through this, though, is all those 30-somethings he has on defense. Brian Dawkins (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/brian-dawkins/) and Champ Bailey (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/champ-bailey/) donít need training camp to bring it come Sept. 12. Neither does Jamal Williams (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/jamal-williams/) or Justin Bannan (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/justin-bannan/).
Even quarterback Kyle Orton (http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/tag/kyle-orton/) is at the point in his career where he could pull a Brett Favre and still be ready for Game 1.
One win against Jacksonville ó one, 60-minute performance ó and it will be amazing how quickly the Broncosí fortunes will heal. If they donít win, the pain may deepen.
Yes, Iím saying given their circumstances, the opener is more significant than usual for the Broncos.

So McDaniels bring Pro-Style Spread Passing offense and that more physical that power zone blocking running team? That BS. Wearing Pads in practice doesn't make a team more physical. Grinding it out in the 4th QTR make a team physical and tough.

Drek
08-09-2010, 06:24 PM
/"]Josh McDaniels[/URL] has a tough choice to make: practice hard and risk injury, or beg off and coast to the opener. (Karl Gehring, The Denver Post)


Such a poorly thought out article. Almost none of the injuries where due to high intensity practice in pads.

Its just a rash of bad luck and instead of looking for reasons why people should just move on and look to the guys we've got filling holes.

Would not having pads on kept Moreno from popping his hammy? Would a lack of pads made Doom push less hard to beat Polumbus in a 1-on-1 drill where he tore his pec? Where pads the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back causing both Decker and Thomas to have some minor re-aggravation to their previous injuries?

None of that makes any sense. McDaniels knows this. He's giving the team a day off because we're light years ahead from a system installation standpoint than we where last year and from the sounds of it this has been a very highly motivated, aggressive, and competitive camp. The team has earned their day off with serious sweat equity, not because the training room is getting crowded.

Just wait and see, the Broncos are going to kick some teams in the ass this year and make a lot of people look stupid. This is the most unified and hard working Broncos team we've had in years, regardless of who is or is not hurt.

The MVPlaya
08-10-2010, 05:09 AM
Such a poorly thought out article. Almost none of the injuries where due to high intensity practice in pads.

Its just a rash of bad luck and instead of looking for reasons why people should just move on and look to the guys we've got filling holes.

Would not having pads on kept Moreno from popping his hammy? Would a lack of pads made Doom push less hard to beat Polumbus in a 1-on-1 drill where he tore his pec? Where pads the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back causing both Decker and Thomas to have some minor re-aggravation to their previous injuries?

None of that makes any sense. McDaniels knows this. He's giving the team a day off because we're light years ahead from a system installation standpoint than we where last year and from the sounds of it this has been a very highly motivated, aggressive, and competitive camp. The team has earned their day off with serious sweat equity, not because the training room is getting crowded.

Just wait and see, the Broncos are going to kick some teams in the ass this year and make a lot of people look stupid. This is the most unified and hard working Broncos team we've had in years, regardless of who is or is not hurt.

+1

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Chris
08-10-2010, 11:27 AM
Just wait and see, the Broncos are going to kick some teams in the ass this year and make a lot of people look stupid. This is the most unified and hard working Broncos team we've had in years, regardless of who is or is not hurt.

This.

oubronco
08-10-2010, 03:11 PM
Broncos to start RB Lance Ball in preseason opener?

Now comes the next test for the Cincinnati defense: Lance Ball and the Broncos’ running game (http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15725189). None of the Broncos’ top three running backs — Knowshon Moreno, Correll Buckhalter and LenDale White — are expected to be on the practice field today. And if they’re not practicing, they’re not likely to play Sunday in the Broncos’ preseason opener at Cincinnati. — Denver Post

oubronco
08-10-2010, 03:38 PM
Lindsey Jones Twitter

DJ Williams is back at practice, but he's in an orange no-contact jersey. Dawkins is in no-contact jersey, too 2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/PostBroncos/status/20824849670) reply (http://twitter.com/?status=@PostBroncos%20&in_reply_to_status_id=20824849670&in_reply_to=PostBroncos)
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PostBroncos (http://twitter.com/PostBroncos) As expected, the guys out are: RBs Moreno, Buckhalter, White; OLBs Dumervil, Moss; WRs Thomas, Decker; and RG Kuper 2 hours ago (http://twitter.com/PostBroncos/status/20825062225) reply (http://twitter.com/?status=@PostBroncos%20&in_reply_to_status_id=20825062225&in_reply_to=PostBroncos)



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