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epicSocialism4tw
08-06-2010, 11:01 PM
We all saw it. At least someone admitted that it happened.

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/news/story?id=5444048

BroncoBuff
08-06-2010, 11:16 PM
Wow ... gutsy.

KipCorrington25
08-06-2010, 11:34 PM
That game was fixed, just admit it buddy, you recieved "the call" and altered your calls accordingly.

Hogan11
08-06-2010, 11:38 PM
Wow ... gutsy.

Yeah, 4 years after the fact...real gutsy indeed.

Miss I.
08-06-2010, 11:44 PM
Yeah, 4 years after the fact...real gutsy indeed.

Not sure gutsy is the right word, but I do think at least he owned his mistake, even if late. Maybe it will make him or the referees better in the long run. I wish some players would get a clue and take ownership of their free run stupid and move forward. Instead we get, it was her fault, I don't know what you mean, no I didn't do it...etc.

gunns
08-07-2010, 12:12 AM
It's about time. It was obvious, but everyone says "you just didn't want the Steelers to win".

Captain 'Dre
08-07-2010, 08:12 AM
Worst offociated Super Bowl EVer. ugh!~

A complete embarrassment to the league when, in what's *supposed* to be the season's ultimate game, the officiating was just plain awful.

Jason in LA
08-07-2010, 10:23 AM
Two calls that got a lot of heat was that holding call that was mentioned in the article, and the offensive PI in the endzone that took a TD away from the Seahawks

I thought both of those calls were right. I was yelling holding at the TV before the ref threw the flag. The DE beat the RT, was going around him for what could have been a sack, then all of a sudden he couldn't get around the RT. Why? Because he was being held! The RT had his arms outside of his body frame. Physically, the only way he could have stopped a guy who had beaten him was by holding him.

On the offensive PI, the WR went fully extended arm bar on the CB to create separation just before the ball got there. One second the CB was standing right next to the WR, then the WR pushes him, and now the CB is like 3 yards away from him, making the catch easy. Push offs happen all the time, but a WR can't go full arm extension and expect to get away with that.

That TD at the goalline was a really tough call. It was hard to tell if Ben got in or not. But if he didn't the Steelers probably would have went for it on 4th down from only one foot out.

BroncoLifer
08-07-2010, 10:29 AM
I thought both of those calls were right. I was yelling holding at the TV before the ref threw the flag. The DE beat the RT, was going around him for what could have been a sack, then all of a sudden he couldn't get around the RT. Why? Because he was being held! The RT had his arms outside of his body frame. Physically, the only way he could have stopped a guy who had beaten him was by holding him.



My recollection of the holding call is that is was one of those where you can find holding, but no more than happens on every pass play.

OrangenBlueOhio
08-07-2010, 01:31 PM
There was small article about this in local paper. Gonna cut it out and make copies, so I can hand it to Steeler fan when he starts blabbin about six rings, SixBurgh blah, blah blah.

toad
08-07-2010, 01:54 PM
My recollection of the holding call is that is was one of those where you can find holding, but no more than happens on every pass play.

My feeling then and now as well....poor timing on a call that happens seemingly every down. IMO that holding call was way beyond "ticky tacky."

I do think Darrell Jackson's offensive PI was the right call -- it seemed a little more obvious/blantant but even that one WRs get by with all the time.

It definitly seemed like the refs were against the 'Hawks in that one...arguably you could say the same for the Steelers/Cards SB as well.

Pittsburgh is, after all, probably the 2nd most popular team in the NFL (behind the Cowboys)....I'm not suggesting any games were fixed but its certainly to the financial advantage of the NFL for the team with the broader fan base to win.

WABronco
08-07-2010, 02:01 PM
My feeling then and now as well....poor timing on a call that happens seemingly every down. IMO that holding call was way beyond "ticky tacky."

I do think Darrell Jackson's offensive PI was the right call -- it seemed a little more obvious/blantant but even that one WRs get by with all the time.

It definitly seemed like the refs were against the 'Hawks in that one...arguably you could say the same for the Steelers/Cards SB as well.

Pittsburgh is, after all, probably the 2nd most popular team in the NFL (behind the Cowboys)....I'm not suggesting any games were fixed but its certainly to the financial advantage of the NFL for the team with the broader fan base to win.

Well right before Jackson's "PI" he was definitely illegally contacted by Chris Hope...and the freakin' back judge or whatever totally through the flag in a reactionary manner after Hope SCREAMED at him.

Thanks a lot though, Bill...no, really.

/tiny bit of rage still left over

Jason in LA
08-07-2010, 02:20 PM
Well right before Jackson's "PI" he was definitely illegally contacted by Chris Hope...and the freakin' back judge or whatever totally through the flag in a reactionary manner after Hope SCREAMED at him.

Thanks a lot though, Bill...no, really.

/tiny bit of rage still left over

There wasn't any illegal contact by the DB.

It can be said that WRs get away with that often, but that doesn't mean that it should not have been called. It was the right call, and if it were the Broncos in the Super Bowl and an opposing WR did that this board would explode.

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Jason in LA
08-07-2010, 02:26 PM
On the holding penalty, just as the DE turns the corner and has a clear path to the QB, the RT holds him on his right shoulder, right on the collar of the shoulder pad. It was quick, but it was enough to slow the DE down so he couldn't get the sack. The video shows that the DE was snagged. I wish I could find the play in full speed, because that really shows how he lost speed even though he had a clear path to the QB.

Like I said in my last post, if the Broncos were in the Super Bowl and that happened and it wasn't called this board would explode.

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bombay
08-07-2010, 02:38 PM
Sickening.

WABronco
08-07-2010, 04:32 PM
There wasn't any illegal contact by the DB.

It can be said that WRs get away with that often, but that doesn't mean that it should not have been called. It was the right call, and if it were the Broncos in the Super Bowl and an opposing WR did that this board would explode.

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Nah there was more contact than that. A 2 second clip doesn't show it.

The Hawks got jacked, period.

Jason in LA
08-07-2010, 05:50 PM
Nah there was more contact than that. A 2 second clip doesn't show it.

The Hawks got jacked, period.

I haven't seen any replay that showed defensive illegal contact. Not when the game was live and not in any replays. There is one clip on youtube that shows a couple seconds before the offensive PI. It shows them from about the five yard line, going into the endzone, and there was no defensive illegal contact.

It was the right call.

WABronco
08-07-2010, 07:20 PM
i haven't seen any replay that showed defensive illegal contact. Not when the game was live and not in any replays. There is one clip on youtube that shows a couple seconds before the offensive pi. It shows them from about the five yard line, going into the endzone, and there was no defensive illegal contact.

It was the right call.

bull sh!t

Atwater His Ass
08-07-2010, 07:41 PM
I remember the calls being marginal, but not wrong.

But this is horrible. Seattle is already a whining fanbase and living there for 6 years, I had to listen to their continual complaining and bitching about this game. Now they'll never shut up.

Jason in LA
08-07-2010, 08:25 PM
bull ****

Well I have yet to see anything that would be considered illegal contact by the defender on that play, but I do see offensive PI.

WABronco
08-07-2010, 09:06 PM
Well I have yet to see anything that would be considered illegal contact by the defender on that play, but I do see offensive PI.

ya i know I'm obviously biased and will be til the end of time....I just distinctly remember thinking that there was enough contact from both parties.

broncocalijohn
08-07-2010, 09:32 PM
Didnt we see NFL Network had some referee show the week right past the superbowl trying to "explain" how these were the correct calls? I believe it was this game as it was the most blown in recent time and I believe NFL network was around then. Covering for themselves I figured.

Dudeskey
08-07-2010, 09:33 PM
http://bangcartoon.com/2006/badcall.htm

epicSocialism4tw
08-07-2010, 11:11 PM
I remember the calls being marginal, but not wrong.

But this is horrible. Seattle is already a whining fanbase and living there for 6 years, I had to listen to their continual complaining and b****ing about this game. Now they'll never shut up.

They were robbed. I cant blame them for remembering that game with antipathy.

Blueflame
08-07-2010, 11:49 PM
It's been a long time... but I seem to recall plenty of bad calls.... and believe it or not, I'm pretty sure at least a couple of them helped the Chickens.

Atwater His Ass
08-08-2010, 02:49 AM
They were robbed. I cant blame them for remembering that game with antipathy.

I, among many, disagree.

But it will be in vogue now to start bitching about it again.

WolfpackGuy
08-08-2010, 08:30 AM
Jerramy Stevens dropping the ball like it was on fire (repeatedly) lost that game.

Cito Pelon
08-08-2010, 09:42 AM
Watching that game as just a football fan I thought the 'Hawks got jobbed by the refs real badly. Ticky-tack calls against them that you see in preseason, not the dang Super Bowl, fer chrissake.

BroncoBuff
08-08-2010, 01:11 PM
Seattle is already a whining fanbase and living there for 6 years, I had to listen to their continual complaining and b****ing about this game. Now they'll never shut up.

They don't seem "whiny" to me ... but it's true they don't shut up about it.

Front page yesterday:


http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/3538/seahawks.jpg

Jason in LA
08-08-2010, 02:30 PM
I do remember thinking as I was watching the game that there were more calls going against the Seahawks than the Steelers, but the question is whether or not they were bad calls. The three plays that were questioned the most, which were the holding call, the offensive PI, and the TD by Ben, two of those calls were right, and the TD by Ben was a close call that could have went either way. The Seahawks weren't screwed by that call because it was so close, and the Steelers would have went for it on 4th down from the one foot line anyways.

Steelers won the game fair and square.

I am curious which plays the ref is talking about that he blew. He said that he blew two calls in the 4th quarter, so he's not talking about the offensive PI or Ben's TD. He may have been talking about that holding call and on the next play I believe Hasselback was called for an illegal block below the waist. That was a bad call, but I wouldn't say it impacted the game much.

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 02:46 PM
I do remember thinking as I was watching the game that there were more calls going against the Seahawks than the Steelers, but the question is whether or not they were bad calls. The three plays that were questioned the most, which were the holding call, the offensive PI, and the TD by Ben, two of those calls were right, and the TD by Ben was a close call that could have went either way. The Seahawks weren't screwed by that call because it was so close, and the Steelers would have went for it on 4th down from the one foot line anyways.

Steelers won the game fair and square.

I am curious which plays the ref is talking about that he blew. He said that he blew two calls in the 4th quarter, so he's not talking about the offensive PI or Ben's TD. He may have been talking about that holding call and on the next play I believe Hasselback was called for an illegal block below the waist. That was a bad call, but I wouldn't say it impacted the game much.

He said that the calls effected the outcome of the game.

Those are his words.

Jason in LA
08-08-2010, 03:05 PM
He said that the calls effected the outcome of the game.

Those are his words.

Yes, I read the article.

RhymesayersDU
08-08-2010, 03:11 PM
He said that the calls effected the outcome of the game.

Those are his words.

But the problem with that statement is that it's so broad.

Every play effects the outcome of the game. I mean, honestly what does that even mean? If the refs blow a call on the first play of the game or the last play, doesn't it all effect the outcome? Now granted, in the ESPN article the ref is also quoted as specifying the calls were in the 4th quarter, and during crunch time the calls are indeed magnified. Fully understand that.

But still, I guess my point would be that blown calls happen all the time. Teams get hosed all the time and get lucky all the time. I'd personally like to think it evens out. Does it stink it happened in the SuperBowl? Sure. But it happens.

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 03:15 PM
But the problem with that statement is that it's so broad.

Every play effects the outcome of the game. I mean, honestly what does that even mean? If the refs blow a call on the first play of the game or the last play, doesn't it all effect the outcome? Now granted, in the ESPN article the ref is also quoted as specifying the calls were in the 4th quarter, and during crunch time the calls are indeed magnified. Fully understand that.

But still, I guess my point would be that blown calls happen all the time. Teams get hosed all the time and get lucky all the time. I'd personally like to think it evens out. Does it stink it happened in the SuperBowl? Sure. But it happens.

The ref said that his calls effected the outcome of the game.

He's the guy that made the call, he's the guy that surmised that it changed the outcome.

I'll go with his word over a common fans.

RhymesayersDU
08-08-2010, 03:21 PM
The ref said that his calls effected the outcome of the game.

He's the guy that made the call, he's the guy that surmised that it changed the outcome.

I'll go with his word over a common fans.

And I'm not disagreeing with the statement. That wasn't my point. They did change the outcome. But I'm just saying, every call effects the outcome of every game. I don't even know why the ref is choosing to make an apology like this now, and on top of that doesn't even go into specifics.

Miss I.
08-08-2010, 03:22 PM
The ref said that his calls effected the outcome of the game.

He's the guy that made the call, he's the guy that surmised that it changed the outcome.

I'll go with his word over a common fans.

No what he said was he impacted the game, not that it changed the outcome.

"It was a tough thing for me. I kicked two calls in the fourth quarter and I impacted the game, and as an official you never want to do that"


What I take from that is yes, he had impacted the momentum, but he didn't change the outcome. Seattle was not playing as well as Pittsburgh I seem to recall regardless of the referee. If they were the better team they would've adjusted for that, but they didn't, so they lost.

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 03:26 PM
No what he said was he impacted the game, not that it changed the outcome.

"It was a tough thing for me. I kicked two calls in the fourth quarter and I impacted the game, and as an official you never want to do that"


What I take from that is yes, he had impacted the momentum, but he didn't change the outcome. Seattle was not playing as well as Pittsburgh I seem to recall regardless of the referee. If they were the better team they would've adjusted for that, but they didn't, so they lost.

Why would he have even mentioned it if he didnt believe that it changed the outcome in some way?

Wouldnt it be pointless to apologize for something that was meaningless? If the guy is still thinking about it...where there's smoke theres fire.

Atwater His Ass
08-08-2010, 04:21 PM
But yet the same guy didn't have the conviction to make the "right" call when it counted.

Anyone can see how calls impact the game, you don't have to be a ref. Is Hochuli the only guy that knows how the Cutler call impacted that game? Get real.

The calls were marginal, but not "wrong". He's upset because he gave up some ticky tack calls in the SB where everything is magnified 100x.

Seattle lost the game because they couldn't beat Pittsburgh.

Jason in LA
08-08-2010, 05:10 PM
The ref said that his calls effected the outcome of the game.

He's the guy that made the call, he's the guy that surmised that it changed the outcome.

I'll go with his word over a common fans.

Okay, so what blown call negatively affected the outcome of the game?

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 06:02 PM
Okay, so what blown call negatively affected the outcome of the game?

You'd have to ask him. I didnt make the calls.

Jason in LA
08-08-2010, 07:20 PM
You'd have to ask him. I didnt make the calls.

So you're arguing a point that you have no evidence to back up? Interesting.

My point is that people keep saying that the Seahawks were screwed by the refs, but I don't see where they were screwed. What plays were they screwed on? Not the offensive PI call, that one was right. Not the holding call, that one was called right. The TD by Ben? That one could have went either way, and the Steelers could have easily scored a TD on the next play.

The only play that I can think of that was just flat out wrong was the illegal block by Hasselback on the int return when he was going for the tackle. That was an incorrect call which cost the Seahawks 15 yards. But the int still would have stood, and the Steelers scored on a bomb on the very next play. They could have done that from 15 yards back.

Okay, so I ask again, how were the Seahawks robbed in that game?

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 08:22 PM
So you're arguing a point that you have no evidence to back up? Interesting.

I have "no evidence"?

If you're making this into a court case, then we have a confession of guilt by the accused.

I'm not the one with the burden of proof. I have the testimony.

You're the one with the conjecture and the assumptions.

Jason in LA
08-08-2010, 09:39 PM
I have "no evidence"?

If you're making this into a court case, then we have a confession of guilt by the accused.

I'm not the one with the burden of proof. I have the testimony.

You're the one with the conjecture and the assumptions.

You have one person's opinion, and you are spinning it to fit your argument. Miss I. pointed out that the ref said that he impacted the game, but he did not say that he changed the game. He never said or implied that his calls took the victory away from the Seahawks and gave it to the Steelers. You have spun it to say that.

The ref did not give any details, so again, you are spinning it to fit your argument. That's not much of a confession, because he really doesn't give any details to what he is confessing too.

Sense the ref did not give us any details, meaning that it does not support your argument, I ask again, which plays screwed over the Seahawks. You have yet to state any play that has. You say that I conjecture and assumptions, but I have pinpointed questionable plays, provided an explanation for those plays, and provided videos to back up my point. You have not attempted to argue against any of those points. You want to write them off because they pretty much kill your argument.

So again I ask, what bad calls took the away from the Seahawks and gave it to the Steelers? Chances are I won't be getting a response from you on that question.

epicSocialism4tw
08-08-2010, 09:47 PM
You have one person's opinion, and you are spinning it to fit your argument. Miss I. pointed out that the ref said that he impacted the game, but he did not say that he changed the game. He never said or implied that his calls took the victory away from the Seahawks and gave it to the Steelers. You have spun it to say that.

The ref did not give any details, so again, you are spinning it to fit your argument. That's not much of a confession, because he really doesn't give any details to what he is confessing too.

Sense the ref did not give us any details, meaning that it does not support your argument, I ask again, which plays screwed over the Seahawks. You have yet to state any play that has. You say that I conjecture and assumptions, but I have pinpointed questionable plays, provided an explanation for those plays, and provided videos to back up my point. You have not attempted to argue against any of those points. You want to write them off because they pretty much kill your argument.

So again I ask, what bad calls took the away from the Seahawks and gave it to the Steelers? Chances are I won't be getting a response from you on that question.

All I need is the word straight from the mouth of the ref who made the call.



Ref Who Made the Call: Um...sorry, but uh...you know that Superbowl in 2006? Yeah...uh...the one that I reffed?

Everyone Who Saw the Game: You mean the one that the refs screwed up?

Ref Who Made the Call: Yeah...thats the one. Well, its been eating on me for almost 5 years now and I have to admit something. I wanted to tell everyone that I SCREWED UP THE GAME. I made calls that effected the game. My calls could have cost Seattle the game.

Everyone Who Saw the Game: Its about time you admitted that!

Jason in McLA: But wait! Nobody mentioned which calls he blew!

Truth (not Paul Pierce, but the philosophical principle): Jason. Put a retro mustard/doodoo brown striped Broncos sock in it. He said enough to tell us all we need to know.

Jason in LA
08-08-2010, 11:40 PM
All I need is the word straight from the mouth of the ref who made the call.



Ref Who Made the Call: Um...sorry, but uh...you know that Superbowl in 2006? Yeah...uh...the one that I reffed?

Everyone Who Saw the Game: You mean the one that the refs screwed up?

Ref Who Made the Call: Yeah...thats the one. Well, its been eating on me for almost 5 years now and I have to admit something. I wanted to tell everyone that I SCREWED UP THE GAME. I made calls that effected the game. My calls could have cost Seattle the game.

Everyone Who Saw the Game: Its about time you admitted that!

Jason in McLA: But wait! Nobody mentioned which calls he blew!

Truth (not Paul Pierce, but the philosophical principle): Jason. Put a retro mustard/doodoo brown striped Broncos sock in it. He said enough to tell us all we need to know.

Like I said in my last post, you weren't going to respond to my questions. You are totally avoiding my points because you have no answer for them. I've asked a simple question a few times now and you haven't bothered to try to answer them.

Please tell me the plays where the Seahawks got screwed on. Why can't you do something so simple? Is it because you can't come up with any of these plays?

I've brought up four plays in this thread. The offensive PI, Ben's TD run, the holding call, and the illegal block below the waste on the int return. I've stated that two of those calls were correct, one of them could have gone either way and that the Steelers still had a great chance to score on the very next play, and only one of those calls was blown, but that didn't have a big impact on the game.

Are you saying that my opinions on those plays are wrong? If so please explain. Are there plays that I'm missing? If so please explain.