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Slade
08-05-2010, 08:53 AM
Denver Broncos linebacker Elvis Dumervil suffered a torn pectoral muscle during Wednesday's practice that will sideline him indefinitely, according to league sources.

Dumervil is expected to miss about four months, which means he might be able to return late this season.

Dumervil is going for another opinion to get a more specific idea of how much time he would miss so the Broncos can figure out how to best handle the situation.

With Dumervil out, Denver will need to get production out of two former No. 1 picks, Jarvis Moss and Robert Ayers.

Adam Schefter is ESPN's NFL Insider.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5439705

Los Broncos
08-05-2010, 08:55 AM
****!

Rulon Velvet Jones
08-05-2010, 08:56 AM
What the **** is this bull****?

GoHAM
08-05-2010, 08:56 AM
This season looks more DOA every day.

Rabb
08-05-2010, 08:57 AM
I am sick right now

honestly, I hope they let Clady and now Doom fully heal all year if that's what it takes, just accept we need to suck it up and deal with it and move on for 2011

god ****ing damnit

illbroncsfn
08-05-2010, 08:57 AM
uugghh...

Slade
08-05-2010, 08:58 AM
****...We are so screwed!!! Jarvis Moss will now get a good look at the spot. Are their any vet FAs out there who can rush the passer?

McDman
08-05-2010, 08:58 AM
****.

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 08:58 AM
4 freaking months? Well, at least he's got his money...

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 08:59 AM
Everyone welcome my adopt a bronco JAMMIE KIRLEW!!!

Slade
08-05-2010, 08:59 AM
4 freaking months? Well, at least he's got his money...

fml

titan
08-05-2010, 08:59 AM
Glad mcd didn't trade our 2011 #1. Rebuilding year ahead which still can be fun to watch with tebow

Jesterhole
08-05-2010, 08:59 AM
McDaniels!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

SouthStndJunkie
08-05-2010, 09:00 AM
It's hard to get excited for the season when **** like this happens.

Rabb
08-05-2010, 09:01 AM
It's hard to get excited for the season when **** like this happens.

I finally get my god damn season tickets this year, and this

Chris
08-05-2010, 09:01 AM
It is what it is guys. We can still have a productive season.

Los Broncos
08-05-2010, 09:02 AM
I finally get my god damn season tickets this year, and this

Oh that's right, I feel for you man.

But lets make the best of it.

BlaK-Argentina
08-05-2010, 09:02 AM
Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!!!!!!! ****kkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkkk!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!

gyldenlove
08-05-2010, 09:02 AM
What the **** is up with this defeatism? you all need to get the sand out of your purdy pink panties, man up and get with the program, you sound like ****ing sandy eggo fans the way you pussies are whining - it is pathetic!

Popps
08-05-2010, 09:02 AM
Wow.

I'm an optimistic guy, but that's pretty brutal. Looks like he's missing a minimum of what, 10 games or so? Yikes. He might be the hardest guy on the whole team to replace.

Oh well, still not giving up hope. We'll have him back at some point, and this is likely a transitional season anyway.

Go Broncos.

Rabb
08-05-2010, 09:04 AM
Oh that's right, I feel for you man.

But lets make the best of it.

I think that's about it brother, I will still enjoy the games and root until I am blue in the face but man, this sucks.

Lolad
08-05-2010, 09:05 AM
i wonder how they will generate a pass rush or even hold the outside contain with a weak Moss on the outside

Smiling Assassin27
08-05-2010, 09:06 AM
In the words of Joe Biden, this is a big f-ing deal...

bad luck, nothing more. good luck for anybody on that team that wants to go from unknown to superstar at LB.

Chris
08-05-2010, 09:06 AM
I equate this to the fall of Europe. We will have our North Africa.

Taco John
08-05-2010, 09:06 AM
This is a blow for sure. I'd say that we are officially without our two best players now between Dumervil and Clady.

Kaylore
08-05-2010, 09:07 AM
It's hard to get excited for the season when **** like this happens.

You can say that again. I don't expect much of anything this season. No LT, not sack specialist. We're going to suck pretty hard this year.

2KBack
08-05-2010, 09:08 AM
What the **** is up with this defeatism? you all need to get the sand out of your purdy pink panties, man up and get with the program, you sound like ****ing sandy eggo fans the way you pussies are whining - it is pathetic!

Agreed, losing Doom sucks, but he is still just one guy. We aren't playing with 10 guys on defense now. A couple guys will have to step up, and gameplans may have to be adjusted a bit.

bunch of ****ing quitters around here

worm
08-05-2010, 09:08 AM
Better to happen now, then during the season.

jhns
08-05-2010, 09:09 AM
Well this is going to make it harder for McDaniels to stick around. Good thing for us that injuries aren't an excuse for Bowlen. Just look at Shanahans last year.

Rabb
08-05-2010, 09:10 AM
Agreed, losing Doom sucks, but he is still just one guy. We aren't playing with 10 guys on defense now. A couple guys will have to step up, and gameplans may have to be adjusted a bit.

bunch of ****ing quitters around here

who's quitting?

if you are saying that being upset and a little skeptical of the success of the team now that the best player on each side is out is quitting...then you are insane

I am not quitting, but I am damn sure not happy

2KBack
08-05-2010, 09:11 AM
Guess what, there are 31 other teams that don't have Clady and Dumervil either, something tells me they aren't all going to suck.

Man-Goblin
08-05-2010, 09:11 AM
Like a punch in the stomach. I don't know why this stuff bothers me so much, but it does.

snowspot66
08-05-2010, 09:11 AM
Well this is going to make it harder for McDaniels to stick around. Good thing for us that injuries aren't an excuse for Bowlen. Just look at Shanahans last year.

Shanahan got fired because the players he put on the field overwhelmingly sucked ass.

diehardbroncosfan
08-05-2010, 09:12 AM
Well, as much as I hate to say it, hopefully he just sits out the rest of the year. There is absolutely no reason to rush him back and risk losing him for his career instead of just for the season. Bite the bullet, hope Moss, Atkins, and Kirlew can help fill the gaping hole left by him, and hope that the rest of the defense (the new defensive line, our great secondary, and a decent middle linebacking core) can help compensate.

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 09:12 AM
Well this is going to make it harder for McDaniels to stick around. Good thing for us that injuries aren't an excuse for Bowlen. Just look at Shanahans last year.

Sorry to burst your bubble but McD ain't going anywhere... but you are encouraged to leave!

ro_50
08-05-2010, 09:13 AM
You got to be f-ing kidding me.

First Clady, then Moreno and now Dumervil.

WHAT OTHER TEAM HAS BEEN SCREWED BY INJURIES BESIDES DENVER?

gyldenlove
08-05-2010, 09:13 AM
who's quitting?

if you are saying that being upset and a little skeptical of the success of the team now that the best player on each side is out is quitting...then you are insane

I am not quitting, but I am damn sure not happy

Upset and a little skeptical? people are calling for a rebuilding year and throwing away the season for a high draft pick. That is ****ing quitting on the season.

Where were all these bleeding hearts when Shanahan lost his entire backfield and linebacking group in one season? life goes on and so does the NFL, a couple of injuries is no excuse, every team has them. Did the Patriots quit when Brady, the defending MVP and just coming off a record setting season went down for the year? Would Mcdaniels like to have Elvis back? sure he would, but is he for one second thinking this is the end of the season or the end of expectations to win? no.

2KBack
08-05-2010, 09:13 AM
who's quitting?

if you are saying that being upset and a little skeptical of the success of the team now that the best player on each side is out is quitting...then you are insane

I am not quitting, but I am damn sure not happy


You can say that again. I don't expect much of anything this season. No LT, not sack specialist. We're going to suck pretty hard this year.

Well, so much for this Season, I guess we can look forward to 2011-

within minutes of getting the news

Br0nc0Buster
08-05-2010, 09:14 AM
Guess what, there are 31 other teams that don't have Clady and Dumervil either, something tells me they aren't all going to suck.

those teams arent counting on Ryan Clady and Elvis Dumervil like we are though

31 teams dont have Peyton Manning, but it he goes down the Colts are ****ed

Chris
08-05-2010, 09:14 AM
This is for Elvis's pec

http://www.lightacandleformichael.net/images/candle.gif

outdoor_miner
08-05-2010, 09:15 AM
These are the types of tests that good coaches & teams pass. We'll see what happens. Obviously, someone needs to step up big time... Moss or Ayers.

Can you imagine the controversy if this had happened before he got his contract?

BlaK-Argentina
08-05-2010, 09:15 AM
What the **** is up with this defeatism? you all need to get the sand out of your purdy pink panties, man up and get with the program, you sound like ****ing sandy eggo fans the way you pussies are whining - it is pathetic!

Yeah I'm sure it will be a lot of fun watching opposing QBs stand in the pocket for 5 seconds... you know, like they did before we had Doom.

That said, you're right. I hope we can manage well enough, get in to the playoffs (not too optimistic right now) and get him back for then. I refuse to give up on the season... this is a time for excitement no matter what.

BUTTTTTTTT... HUGE MOTHER ****ING BLOWWWW!!! ARRRGGH.

jhns
08-05-2010, 09:16 AM
Shanahan got fired because the players he put on the field overwhelmingly sucked ass.

Sure, his backups weren't the greatest. I will laugh if this is used as an excuse for this years team though. Shanahans last year saw every starting LB hurt, a couple of corners including Champ, a couple of safeties including a starter, a starting d-linemen, multiple o-linemen, a bunch of RBs, and even his QB took small injuries during the year. So I agree, Shanahans team was 8-8 and Bowlen doesn't use injuries as an excuse. Good luck McDaniels, you better hope your luck changes.

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 09:16 AM
You got to be f-ing kidding me.

First Clady, then Moreno and now Dumervil.

WHAT OTHER TEAM HAS BEEN SCREWED BY INJURIES BESIDES DENVER?

exaggerate much?

Chris
08-05-2010, 09:16 AM
I know the Greek has a great reputation league wide but we've always had serious injury problems. There has to be a pattern here.

Rabb
08-05-2010, 09:18 AM
I know the Greek has a great reputation league wide but we've always had serious injury problems. There has to be a pattern here.

I'd say the Moreno and Buck injuries support that...the others though, not really

I do agree with you though, I hate that we have so many hammy injuries over the last few years

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 09:18 AM
Sure, his backups weren't the greatest. I will laugh if this is used as an excuse for this years team though. Shanahans last year saw every starting LB hurt, a couple of corners including Champ, a couple of safeties including a starter, a starting d-linemen, multiple o-linemen, a bunch of RBs, and even his QB took small injuries during the year. So I agree, Shanahans team was 8-8 and Bowlen doesn't use injuries as an excuse. Good luck McDaniels, you better hope your luck changes.

Shanahan's teams seemed to suffer many injuries and it was pretty consistent too. I blame Shanny for poor conditioning, not the players. Again, Shanny's fault.

diehardbroncosfan
08-05-2010, 09:18 AM
Upset and a little skeptical? people are calling for a rebuilding year and throwing away the season for a high draft pick. That is ****ing quitting on the season.

Where were all these bleeding hearts when Shanahan lost his entire backfield and linebacking group in one season? life goes on and so does the NFL, a couple of injuries is no excuse, every team has them. Did the Patriots quit when Brady, the defending MVP and just coming off a record setting season went down for the year? Would Mcdaniels like to have Elvis back? sure he would, but is he for one second thinking this is the end of the season or the end of expectations to win? no.

I agree with you. There is absolutely no reason to give up on the year. Until we're mathematically eliminated from the playoffs we're still in in this thing. No one saw the Patriots going to the superbowl in 2001, but they got there because they had a great team, something we can still have. We don't know what this team will look like; Tebow might be awesome in the redzone, Orton might have a great year, our receiving corps might just step up in a big way, our run defense (which will not take a hit with the loss of Doom) might be awesome. Everyone needs to quit whining and suck it up. If we have a bad year will it suck? Yeah, it will, but at the end of the day I will still be a Bronco fan and we're in the playoffs until we're not.

crush17
08-05-2010, 09:20 AM
lol @ everyone giving up already.

injuries happen every season! teams lose their star players all the time and everyone just has to move on and step it up!

jhns
08-05-2010, 09:20 AM
Sorry to burst your bubble but McD ain't going anywhere... but you are encouraged to leave!

If we don't improve he will be going somewhere. I doubt it will be after this year but anything less than 9 wins is going to put a ton of pressure on McDaniels for the next season. If we still don't have an improved record in 2 seasons, no matter the excuse, I will guarantee you he is gone. Bowlen didn't even accept that from the coach that won him two SBs.

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 09:20 AM
I know the Greek has a great reputation league wide but we've always had serious injury problems. There has to be a pattern here.

Yah, Shanahan was the pattern. Moreno is out for a little while with a hammy injury, it happens. Buckhalter has had a history of injuries but he's coming back soon. Doom's injury is freakish but not unheard of. It's football, injuries are a part of the game.

2KBack
08-05-2010, 09:21 AM
those teams arent counting on Ryan Clady and Elvis Dumervil like we are though

31 teams dont have Peyton Manning, but it he goes down the Colts are ****ed

I love Doom, but my season hopes did not rest with him. He is a productive piece of the puzzle. The team has fielded decent defenses without him, and has fielded histories worst defense with him. One player doesn't make or break your defense. The team will adjust. Obviously they would be better with him playing, but that doesn't mean that they suck now.

Chris
08-05-2010, 09:22 AM
I think McD has at least two more years... probably three to prove himself.

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 09:22 AM
If we don't improve he will be going somewhere. I doubt it will be after this year but anything less than 9 wins is going to put a ton of pressure on McDaniels for the next season. If we still don't have an improved record in 2 seasons, no matter the excuse, I will guarantee you he is gone. Bowlen didn't even accept that from the coach that won him two SBs.


Nice story jhns! I love the way you make things up, it's cute. :curtsey:

jhns
08-05-2010, 09:22 AM
Shanahan's teams seemed to suffer many injuries and it was pretty consistent too. I blame Shanny for poor conditioning, not the players. Again, Shanny's fault.

Then it is McDaniels fault when his players are injured. I don't really care what your spin is. Bowlen doesn't use injuries as an excuse. McDaniels will still need to improve the team.

MABroncoFan
08-05-2010, 09:25 AM
Does he need surgery, or is that not known yet?

Taco John
08-05-2010, 09:25 AM
Shanahan's teams seemed to suffer many injuries and it was pretty consistent too. I blame Shanny for poor conditioning, not the players. Again, Shanny's fault.

We have the same strength and conditioning coach now as we did back then (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/coaches/Rich-Tuten/051b4e05-fdb9-4d9d-ab9a-ee8e5fd090cc).

cmhargrove
08-05-2010, 09:26 AM
Jarvis! Jarvis! Jarvis!

jhns
08-05-2010, 09:26 AM
Nice story jhns! I love the way you make things up, it's cute. :curtsey:

So you really think (or would want?) McDaniels will still be here after two more seasons of .500 or less? You are unreasonable and not very bright.

Raider9175
08-05-2010, 09:26 AM
Denver Broncos linebacker Elvis Dumervil suffered a torn pectoral muscle during Wednesday's practice that will sideline him indefinitely, according to league sources.

Dumervil is expected to miss about four months, which means he might be able to return late this season.

Dumervil is going for another opinion to get a more specific idea of how much time he would miss so the Broncos can figure out how to best handle the situation.

With Dumervil out, Denver will need to get production out of two former No. 1 picks, Jarvis Moss and Robert Ayers.

Adam Schefter is ESPN's NFL Insider.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp10/news/story?id=5439705


Get well Elvis Dumervil.
Your a great player. There has been too many injuries this offseason already in the NFL. It sucks when any team loses a key player for the season.

BowlenBall
08-05-2010, 09:26 AM
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lostknight
08-05-2010, 09:27 AM
It was pointed out over and over last year that the consequences of a training camp where you are in pads and full contact the entire time is higher levels of injury. We dodged all the bullets last year, but this year it's already been devastating.

From the injuries to Knowshon and C-Buck the first day, on the same drill (which clearly indicate that the players were not ready for the drill before hand), to the huge possibly season-destroying injury to Doom, we are now in a situation where the top talent on the team is now going into the season under-prepared, injured or missing it completely.

In the past, I would completely trust Bobby Turner to have the best practices and drills for his players. The new coach? Who knows? Do we really want to be trusting McDaniel's kid brother, who has no experience with our QBs? And what exactly is it that Tuten has having over the Broncos FO to keep him around? The team has suffered late collapses three years in a row, due to conditioning and injuries, and this year we are going into the season in a bad state, which the front of our season is unbelievably nasty. And don't even get me started on Greek. Players have raised allegations that are awfully close to malpractice.

And why hasn't anyone challenged the pace of camp, given the damage it's doing to players. Yes, there are freak injuries, but now we have three points, enough to clearly establish a trajectory, and that trajectory might just wipe out the team before the season even starts.

WABronco
08-05-2010, 09:28 AM
Good riddance...don't let the door hit you in the...pectoral on the way out, b****.

GO JARVIS/RANDOM STREET FA SIGNING

Rabb
08-05-2010, 09:28 AM
I love how anyone that is upset is now labeled as a quitter for being a little down with this news.

I guess I am not the super fan that I should be, who would have guessed Bronco fans on a Bronco message board would be upset about a fairly significant loss this season to their Bronco team.

I am the ultimate optimist, and I love my Broncos so whatever, 38 more days and until then it's all puppies and ****in' rainbows.

Rohirrim
08-05-2010, 09:28 AM
Are we ****ing cursed, or what? WTF?

Retire #30!!!
08-05-2010, 09:29 AM
If Moss and Ayers get 8.5 sacks each... we're square right?
I wonder what combo it will be? Haggan back to SOLB Ayers over to Doom's side? Or just Moss moving into Doom's spot?

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 09:29 AM
Then it is McDaniels fault when his players are injured. I don't really care what your spin is. Bowlen doesn't use injuries as an excuse. McDaniels will still need to improve the team.

If conditioning is a priority and if the training staff is doing their job, and if the players are taking care of their bodies according to team standards, then there's not a whole lot that can be done about injuries. That being said, it was Shanny who drafted guys like Paul Toviessi and George Foster and it was Shanny who had multiple RB injuries and had guys like Torain.

That's just off the top of my head.

But you keep living the dream jhns.

Rabb
08-05-2010, 09:30 AM
It was pointed out over and over last year that the consequences of a training camp where you are in pads and full contact the entire time is higher levels of injury. We dodged all the bullets last year, but this year it's already been devastating.

From the injuries to Knowshon and C-Buck the first day, on the same drill (which clearly indicate that the players were not ready for the drill before hand), to the huge possibly season-destroying injury to Doom, we are now in a situation where the top talent on the team is now going into the season under-prepared, injured or missing it completely.

In the past, I would completely trust Bobby Turner to have the best practices and drills for his players. The new coach? Who knows? Do we really want to be trusting McDaniel's kid brother, who has no experience with our QBs? And what exactly is it that Tuten has having over the Broncos FO to keep him around? The team has suffered late collapses three years in a row, due to conditioning and injuries, and this year we are going into the season in a bad state, which the front of our season is unbelievably nasty. And don't even get me started on Greek. Players have raised allegations that are awfully close to malpractice.

And why hasn't anyone challenged the pace of camp, given the damage it's doing to players. Yes, there are freak injuries, but now we have three points, enough to clearly establish a trajectory, and that trajectory might just wipe out the team before the season even starts.

go bathe with a toaster you moron

2KBack
08-05-2010, 09:30 AM
And why hasn't anyone challenged the pace of camp, given the damage it's doing to players. Yes, there are freak injuries, but now we have three points, enough to clearly establish a trajectory, and that trajectory might just wipe out the team before the season even starts.


Probably because it takes an incredible logical leap to blame the pace of the practices for these injuries. Moreno was running by himself after catching a pass, are you telling me he wasn't conditioned to turn upfield and run with no contact? Maybe he was asked to run too fast?

diehardbroncosfan
08-05-2010, 09:30 AM
It was pointed out over and over last year that the consequences of a training camp where you are in pads and full contact the entire time is higher levels of injury. We dodged all the bullets last year, but this year it's already been devastating.

From the injuries to Knowshon and C-Buck the first day, on the same drill (which clearly indicate that the players were not ready for the drill before hand), to the huge possibly season-destroying injury to Doom, we are now in a situation where the top talent on the team is now going into the season under-prepared, injured or missing it completely.

In the past, I would completely trust Bobby Turner to have the best practices and drills for his players. The new coach? Who knows? Do we really want to be trusting McDaniel's kid brother, who has no experience with our QBs? And what exactly is it that Tuten has having over the Broncos FO to keep him around? The team has suffered late collapses three years in a row, due to conditioning and injuries, and this year we are going into the season in a bad state, which the front of our season is unbelievably nasty. And don't even get me started on Greek. Players have raised allegations that are awfully close to malpractice.

And why hasn't anyone challenged the pace of camp, given the damage it's doing to players. Yes, there are freak injuries, but now we have three points, enough to clearly establish a trajectory, and that trajectory might just wipe out the team before the season even starts.

You can't freaking practice in the fear of injuries. You might as well not even play if the game if you're going to be that worried about someone getting hurt. This is not flag football. People will get hurt and probably will get hurt in the season if the practices are not at least a little physical.

With that said, I do agree with you that Tuten and Greek should go, and should have a long time ago.

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 09:33 AM
We have the same strength and conditioning coach now as we did back then (http://www.denverbroncos.com/team/coaches/Rich-Tuten/051b4e05-fdb9-4d9d-ab9a-ee8e5fd090cc).

So what? That does not mean the Broncos run the same program and adhere to the same standards. All that means is that Tuten was retained. McD sets the standards, not Tuten.

Greek was also retained and peeps here have been calling for his nutz for years. What does that say? It tells me that Greek and Tuten were doing their jobs according to their HC's standards.

Zoobie
08-05-2010, 09:33 AM
I believe this might prompt the move of Mario Haggan back to the outside, with Ayodele taking the reigns inside with DJ. It makes sense to me, and I was pretty impressed with what Mario did last season at the outside. I'm not gonna lose my **** over this, we can overcome injuries and I expect we will have to deal with plenty more throughout the season, just as every team does.

Popps
08-05-2010, 09:34 AM
Are we ****ing cursed, or what? WTF?

A little tough to take.

Clady and Doom.

Name two more important players on our team?

Ugh.

Oh well, push forward and we'll see what we can do without them.

diehardbroncosfan
08-05-2010, 09:34 AM
Then it is McDaniels fault when his players are injured. I don't really care what your spin is. Bowlen doesn't use injuries as an excuse. McDaniels will still need to improve the team.

You really want to blame McDaniels for Knowshon hurting himself with no one touching him, Ryan Clady hurting himself off of the field, and Dumervil injuring himself with something as fluky as a torn pectoral muscle?

HAT
08-05-2010, 09:34 AM
I love Doom, but my season hopes did not rest with him. He is a productive piece of the puzzle. The team has fielded decent defenses without him, and has fielded histories worst defense with him. One player doesn't make or break your defense. The team will adjust. Obviously they would be better with him playing, but that doesn't mean that they suck now.

This.

jhns
08-05-2010, 09:35 AM
If conditioning is a priority and if the training staff is doing their job, and if the players are taking care of their bodies according to team standards, then there's not a whole lot that can be done about injuries. That being said, it was Shanny who drafted guys like Paul Toviessi and George Foster and it was Shanny who had multiple RB injuries and had guys like Torain.

That's just off the top of my head.

But you keep living the dream jhns.

LOL

Whatever you say. Bowlen doesn't use injuries as an excuse. I don't really care what your spin on how Shanahan is the devil and McDaniels is the greatest. History says otherwise but you are allowed to think whatever you want.

Chris
08-05-2010, 09:35 AM
The day Elvis

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_9I96Kbqixmo/SR6Kz9c0OvI/AAAAAAAAAk0/iVe_UcuuoXw/s400/elvis_presley.jpg

lost his Peck

http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Books/Pix/pictures/2010/4/14/1271242756831/Gregory-Peck-in-Moby-Dick-001.jpg

jhns
08-05-2010, 09:38 AM
You really want to blame McDaniels for Knowshon hurting himself with no one touching him, Ryan Clady hurting himself off of the field, and Dumervil injuring himself with something as fluky as a torn pectoral muscle?

Did you even read part of the conversation? Come on now...

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 09:42 AM
LOL

Whatever you say. Bowlen doesn't use injuries as an excuse. I don't really care what your spin on how Shanahan is the devil and McDaniels is the greatest. History says otherwise but you are allowed to think whatever you want.

The more you ride Shanny's nutz, the more I'm going to prove you wrong. Over and over and over.

"Bowlen doesn't use injuries as an excuse." Where do you get this crap from jhns? Why even bring Bowlen into this conversation? Bowlen let Shanny drag the Broncos into mediocrity for 10 years and he was extremely patient. That's the history broseff. What makes you think Bowlen is going to let these injuries dictate McD's tenure with the team?

Nice story broseff.

SouthStndJunkie
08-05-2010, 09:44 AM
Pat Bowlen is probably more pissed off than every fan combined....he is the one who broke out the checkbook and gave him $43 million of guaranteed money.

Kaylore
08-05-2010, 09:47 AM
I love Doom, but my season hopes did not rest with him. He is a productive piece of the puzzle. The team has fielded decent defenses without him, and has fielded histories worst defense with him. One player doesn't make or break your defense. The team will adjust. Obviously they would be better with him playing, but that doesn't mean that they suck now.
Sorry but where's the pass rush coming from now? Blitzes? Moss? Ayers? We had 39 sacks last year. Tenth in the NFL. We take away Dumervil's 17 and we're tied for second to last with the Chiefs at 22.

You're going to remember how woefully awful a lack of pass rush makes our defense. How have forgotten? Average QB's will look like really good players. Top tier guys will have career games against us. Sorry, but you can't replace a guy like Dumervil. The pressure alone is a game changer. Now everyone will see how average our D-line really is. I don't think you realize how devastating this is.

Steve Sewell
08-05-2010, 09:48 AM
Sure, his backups weren't the greatest. I will laugh if this is used as an excuse for this years team though. Shanahans last year saw every starting LB hurt, a couple of corners including Champ, a couple of safeties including a starter, a starting d-linemen, multiple o-linemen, a bunch of RBs, and even his QB took small injuries during the year. So I agree, Shanahans team was 8-8 and Bowlen doesn't use injuries as an excuse. Good luck McDaniels, you better hope your luck changes.

This thread is about Dumervil's injury and it's effect on this year's team, not about McDaniel's job security or why Mike Shanahan was let go. You are welcome to start your own thread about that though, instead of trying to troll and derail this one.

2KBack
08-05-2010, 09:59 AM
Sorry but where's the pass rush coming from now? Blitzes? Moss? Ayers? We had 39 sacks last year. Tenth in the NFL. We take away Dumervil's 17 and we're tied for second to last with the Chiefs at 22.

You're going to remember how woefully awful a lack of pass rush makes our defense. How have forgotten? Average QB's will look like really good players. Top tier guys will have career games against us. Sorry, but you can't replace a guy like Dumervil. The pressure alone is a game changer. Now everyone will see how average our D-line really is. I don't think you realize how devastating this is.

Not as devastating as you think. Harmful, yes, but no where near the sky is falling attitude you seem to have. First off the dline is improved over last year, which will help. Second, some production will be made up for, you don't just take away the sacks he might get. The next guy likely won't get as many, but he'll get some. Others will likely get a couple more. Maybe his total production won't be accounted for, but it isn't completely erased either. Like I said before, we aren't playing with 10 guys now. Maybe Moss and Ayers can get 5-8 each, that doesn't completely make up his production, but actually comes surprisingly close.

I haven't forgotten our bad defenses, and I also remember that Doom didn't make a huge difference on a couple of those. It takes more than a pass rusher to make a good defense. I wish he was still back there, but I honestly think the defense can still be very solid. Especially if they are better against the run now.

I think everyone is a little emotional about this injury because Doom is a star, and one of our known quantities on defense. In time I think people will start to see that we still have some good things going on this defense.

BigPlayShay
08-05-2010, 10:02 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q6TZq05jaX8/Sud1_jNo9zI/AAAAAAAAAMI/hPegNf_HJ2A/s400/good+luck.jpg

"I just want to tell you both, good luck, we're all counting on you."

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUVnizmOTGCfdk10Et446k-duEM31Q4O52uyYZ8MbVxdQG_OE&t=1&usg=__a_2ozwFZfEbtN66Q4Xy1xtC8ZEg=

HAT
08-05-2010, 10:06 AM
This thread is about Dumervil's injury and it's effect on this year's team, not about McDaniel's job security or why Mike Shanahan was let go. You are welcome to start your own thread about that though, instead of trying to troll and derail this one.

I really don't get how Taco let's this go. The guy literally trolls every thread with Shanny/Cutler nonsense. Injury news, camp reports, you name it & jhns has trolled it.

I swore I would never put anyone on iggy but I might have to reevaluate that stance.

jhns
08-05-2010, 10:07 AM
This thread is about Dumervil's injury and it's effect on this year's team, not about McDaniel's job security or why Mike Shanahan was let go. You are welcome to start your own thread about that though, instead of trying to troll and derail this one.

You are welcome to not read my posts or this thread. You can always stay in one of the other 5 threads about this topic that I haven't posted in.

eddie mac
08-05-2010, 10:07 AM
There's 45 million reasons why this defense will struggle like **** without Dumervil.

Rabb
08-05-2010, 10:08 AM
Not as devastating as you think. Harmful, yes, but no where near the sky is falling attitude you seem to have. First off the dline is improved over last year, which will help. Second, some production will be made up for, you don't just take away the sacks he might get. The next guy likely won't get as many, but he'll get some. Others will likely get a couple more. Maybe his total production won't be accounted for, but it isn't completely erased either. Like I said before, we aren't playing with 10 guys now. Maybe Moss and Ayers can get 5-8 each, that doesn't completely make up his production, but actually comes surprisingly close.

I haven't forgotten our bad defenses, and I also remember that Doom didn't make a huge difference on a couple of those. It takes more than a pass rusher to make a good defense. I wish he was still back there, but I honestly think the defense can still be very solid. Especially if they are better against the run now.

I think everyone is a little emotional about this injury because Doom is a star, and one of our known quantities on defense. In time I think people will start to see that we still have some good things going on this defense.

I do agree with you there and applaud the good attitude

^5

Cito Pelon
08-05-2010, 10:10 AM
I'll wait to see how the team looks before getting all carried away. I heard Elvis sucks balls against the run, so what's the big deal? J/K, but still, let's see how the team looks before people get all hysterical about this.

jhns
08-05-2010, 10:10 AM
The more you ride Shanny's nutz, the more I'm going to prove you wrong. Over and over and over.

"Bowlen doesn't use injuries as an excuse." Where do you get this crap from jhns? Why even bring Bowlen into this conversation? Bowlen let Shanny drag the Broncos into mediocrity for 10 years and he was extremely patient. That's the history broseff. What makes you think Bowlen is going to let these injuries dictate McD's tenure with the team?

Nice story broseff.

Ummm, my entire point is that Bowlen won't let these injuries dictate McDs tenure. Wtf are you talking about? Mediocrity is consitently in the playoffs and making an AFCCG? Really? Then you defend 8-8 McDaniels at all costs? Your brain is a weird place.

BigPlayShay
08-05-2010, 10:11 AM
Adalius Thomas worth a look see?

jhns
08-05-2010, 10:13 AM
I really don't get how Taco let's this go. The guy literally trolls every thread with Shanny/Cutler nonsense. Injury news, camp reports, you name it & jhns has trolled it.

I swore I would never put anyone on iggy but I might have to reevaluate that stance.

This thread is about Elvis and his injury, not jhns. I'm going to have to put you on ignore, wahhhhh....

Rabb
08-05-2010, 10:15 AM
Adalius Thomas worth a look see?

I would say so, could be an affordable option

I am not sure why we haven't looked at Fargas at RB as well

Kaylore
08-05-2010, 10:15 AM
I do agree with you there and applaud the good attitude

^5

There is definitely some shock that most of us need to get over. However pass rush is one area that is hard to create which is why teams pay a premium for a specialist like Doom. I don't see anywhere on the line where that is going to come from. Our D-line is decent when you have a star pass rush specialist playing with them. It allows you to create some things. Without him they're just a bunch of guys.

And on JHIZ, if you idiots would just listen to us and put him on ignore he would go away. Why you refuse to do so and continue to argue with him and then complain about his posts is perhaps the stupidest phenomenon on this board.

RonDaChamp24
08-05-2010, 10:15 AM
****...We are so screwed!!! Jarvis Moss will now get a good look at the spot. Are their any vet FAs out there who can rush the passer?

Adalius Thomas, Aaron Schoebel.

This really, really sucks. Hope he has a speedy, but correctly healing recovery. This definitely just dampened my day.

Slade
08-05-2010, 10:16 AM
Adalius Thomas worth a look see?

Does he play OLB?

Slade
08-05-2010, 10:16 AM
Adalius Thomas, Aaron Schoebel.

This really, really sucks. Hope he has a speedy, but correctly healing recovery. This definitely just dampened my day.

Thomas is an ex-pat...would he come cheap?

gtown
08-05-2010, 10:20 AM
Isn't Adalius on the street right now?

I just can't trust Ayers and Moss et al to pick up the slack for Doom at anywhere near the production clip we were getting.

Is the Denver practice field located on an indian burial ground? We can't seem to catch a break.

BlaK-Argentina
08-05-2010, 10:23 AM
And on JHIZ, if you idiots would just listen to us and put him on ignore he would go away. Why you refuse to do so and continue to argue with him and then complain about his posts is perhaps the stupidest phenomenon on this board.

This. Just put the asshole on ignore and be done with it!

jhns
08-05-2010, 10:32 AM
You whiners need to stop derailing the thread. You are the ones killing it. It isn't about me. It is about Elvis and his season ending injury. It is about what that injury means to this team. My posts have been about this until you guys cried and went off topic. It isn't like crying about the ignore list gets anything done. We do this every other week and nothing has changed.

Taco John
08-05-2010, 10:33 AM
So what? That does not mean the Broncos run the same program and adhere to the same standards. All that means is that Tuten was retained. McD sets the standards, not Tuten.

Greek was also retained and peeps here have been calling for his nutz for years. What does that say? It tells me that Greek and Tuten were doing their jobs according to their HC's standards.

Now you're just guessing...

Cito Pelon
08-05-2010, 10:34 AM
Agreed, losing Doom sucks, but he is still just one guy. We aren't playing with 10 guys on defense now. A couple guys will have to step up, and gameplans may have to be adjusted a bit.

bunch of ****ing quitters around here

Yup, I'm looking forward to seeing who steps up. There's gonna have to be some guys that step up. And it's a test for the coaching staff to keep players from going into a funk like we've seen from fans.

dbfan21
08-05-2010, 10:35 AM
This is where I think the Broncos should be allowed to get a portion of the contract money back to sign another player. Record contract to watch games from the sidelines this year...and who knows about next years holdout?

lostknight
08-05-2010, 10:36 AM
Sorry but where's the pass rush coming from now? Blitzes? Moss? Ayers? We had 39 sacks last year. Tenth in the NFL. We take away Dumervil's 17 and we're tied for second to last with the Chiefs at 22.

You're going to remember how woefully awful a lack of pass rush makes our defense. How have forgotten? Average QB's will look like really good players. Top tier guys will have career games against us. Sorry, but you can't replace a guy like Dumervil. The pressure alone is a game changer. Now everyone will see how average our D-line really is. I don't think you realize how devastating this is.

I tend to agree with this, but there is a lot of talent in the LB corp. It's perhaps our deepest position, tied really only with the W.R corps. I am sure that we are not going to see a huge drop off on receiving because to some degree the system is already set up for them, and to some degree, it can't get much worst. The question I have in my mind is how much of it is the system, and how much of it is Doom? I don't think it's realistic to just erase his sacs, we will still get some large percentage of them back simply because we still have a player in that position, but it undoubtedly hurts.

Steve Sewell
08-05-2010, 10:36 AM
You are welcome to not read my posts or this thread. You can always stay in one of the other 5 threads about this topic that I haven't posted in.

Why should a non-trolling poster such as myself, or any other poster for that matter, have to navigate through a forum and/or threads that you troll and derail? Why is the onus on us?

It seems like the just solution would be to revoke your posting privileges for this board rather than imposing hardships upon non-trolling posters.

yerner
08-05-2010, 10:38 AM
That's just awful. There goes the teams most exciting player. Brutal season so far.

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 10:39 AM
Ummm, my entire point is that Bowlen won't let these injuries dictate McDs tenure. Wtf are you talking about? Mediocrity is consitently in the playoffs and making an AFCCG? Really? Then you defend 8-8 McDaniels at all costs? Your brain is a weird place.

LOL

Wow, Shanny won 1 playoff game after Elway retired. Then, he destroyed that team and started over with a new QB. He also fired his defensive coordinator (Coyer).

As for your entire point about "Bowlen won't let these injuries dictate McD's tenure" what is your point? I guess you just like pointing out how these injuries reflect poorly on McD are just one more reason to root against McD.

great... thanks for playing jhns.

gyldenlove
08-05-2010, 10:40 AM
Sorry but where's the pass rush coming from now? Blitzes? Moss? Ayers? We had 39 sacks last year. Tenth in the NFL. We take away Dumervil's 17 and we're tied for second to last with the Chiefs at 22.

You're going to remember how woefully awful a lack of pass rush makes our defense. How have forgotten? Average QB's will look like really good players. Top tier guys will have career games against us. Sorry, but you can't replace a guy like Dumervil. The pressure alone is a game changer. Now everyone will see how average our D-line really is. I don't think you realize how devastating this is.

The Jets had a pretty good defense last year despite their top pass rusher being Calvin Pace with 8 sacks. Even Sandy Eggo made it pretty far on the back of Shaun Philips 7 sacks. This isn't the end of the world people, just calm down, have some juice and go jerk off and realize when you come back that we are still not as bad as the Raiders or Chiefs and be happy.

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 10:41 AM
That's just awful. There goes the teams most exciting player. Brutal season so far.

the season hasn't started yet moron

jhns
08-05-2010, 10:42 AM
Why should a non-trolling poster such as myself, or any other poster for that matter, have to navigate through a forum and/or threads that you troll and derail? Why is the onus on us?

It seems like the just solution would be to revoke your posting privileges for this board rather than imposing hardships upon non-trolling posters.

Why don't you use your brain and just skip over my posts then? You see my name, don't read it. I was the one posting on topic. You are the one derailing the thread. I don't like certain posters and I get mad about certain subjects. I ignore those things and don't even need the ignore list to do it. Why is it so hard for some of you?

Now stop crying and stop being such a hypocrite. "You should be banned for derailing threads but I am a great poster as I derail this thread!"

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 10:42 AM
Now you're just guessing...

You are welcome to research it. If I'm wrong I stand corrected and will admit I'm wrong.

yerner
08-05-2010, 10:45 AM
the season hasn't started yet moron

I consider training camp the season, fckstain.

Taco John
08-05-2010, 10:46 AM
You are welcome to research it. If I'm wrong I stand corrected and will admit I'm wrong.

LOL!

That's what I'm talking about. You haven't researched it. You're just making statements and hoping that they're true! Ha!

jhns
08-05-2010, 10:46 AM
LOL

Wow, Shanny won 1 playoff game after Elway retired. Then, he destroyed that team and started over with a new QB. He also fired his defensive coordinator (Coyer).

As for your entire point about "Bowlen won't let these injuries dictate McD's tenure" what is your point? I guess you just like pointing out how these injuries reflect poorly on McD are just one more reason to root against McD.

great... thanks for playing jhns.

When did I say they reflect poorly on McD? I said they aren't an excuse. You are just making up arguments at this point.

Your points about Shanahan make no sense. You are all over the board in this thread.

lostknight
08-05-2010, 10:47 AM
The Jets had a pretty good defense last year despite their top pass rusher being Calvin Pace with 8 sacks. Even Sandy Eggo made it pretty far on the back of Shaun Philips 7 sacks. This isn't the end of the world people, just calm down, have some juice and go jerk off and realize when you come back that we are still not as bad as the Raiders or Chiefs and be happy.

I'm not sold on the D-Line yet, and the D-line is mandatory for non-star LB's to be effective. Ron fields was a huge problem last year - forced into the flex position most of the second half - and Jarvis Green was not particularly effective in New England.

Also, seriously, we have ignore lists. I've added a few today. DNFTT.

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 10:48 AM
When did I say they reflect poorly on McD? You are just making up arguments at this point.

Your points about Shanahan make no sense. You are all over the board in this thread.

no you are (see, I can play too)

gyldenlove
08-05-2010, 10:49 AM
I'm not sold on the D-Line yet, and the D-line is mandatory for non-star LB's to be effective. Ron fields was a huge problem last year - forced into the flex position most of the second half - and Jarvis Green was not particularly effective in New England.

Also, seriously, we have ignore lists. I've added a few today. DNFTT.

Oh I know, mine has been growing pretty rapidly as well.

jhns
08-05-2010, 10:57 AM
no you are (see, I can play too)

Fine, let's go through the conversation.

You claim I said injuried reflect poorly on the coach (your claim about Shanahan)... No, I said they aren't an excuse. I was making fun of your claim when I said if Shanahan injuries reflect poorly on him then the same goes for McDaniels. That is true but I don't think that about either of them.

You claim we were mediocre for the last 10 years of Shanahan. I claim McDaniels will get fired for 3 years of .500 or less. I claim being in the playoffs a bunch and making the AFCCG isn't mediocre. You respond with Shanahan was mediocre for 3 years and got fired. That isn't 10 years. I know he got fired for 3 mediocre years. Where do you think I came up with McDaniels having 3 years to show improvement?

Rulon Velvet Jones
08-05-2010, 11:04 AM
From Peter King:

RT @JayPolzer: Any free agent help that can ease the broncos pain due to the loss of dumervil? ... Adalius Thomas. That's about it.

Durango
08-05-2010, 11:04 AM
To get a probable impact of the absence of Dumervile, all you have to do is look at the pass rush of the Kansas City Chiefs after the departure of Jared Allen. This injury is catastrophic.

HAT
08-05-2010, 11:08 AM
The Jets had a pretty good defense last year despite their top pass rusher being Calvin Pace with 8 sacks. Even Sandy Eggo made it pretty far on the back of Shaun Philips 7 sacks.

Exactly. Sacks in general are way overrated because they are all counted the same. I wish there was a metric that kept track of sacks in a more meaningful way.

A sack on 3rd & 7 is obviously important. A sack on 2nd & 3 that results in a 2 yard loss that the offense than converts the 3rd in 5...Not so much.

If a QB scrambles and is dropped at the LOS it's just a tackle. If he's dropped a yard behind....YAY it's a sack!

jhns
08-05-2010, 11:08 AM
To get a probable impact of the absence of Dumervile, all you have to do is look at the pass rush of the Kansas City Chiefs after the departure of Jared Allen. This injury is catastrophic.

Or the dolts since Merriman got injured.

broncofan2438
08-05-2010, 11:18 AM
Such bull****, of course this happens to us, we always get ****ed

Steve Sewell
08-05-2010, 11:24 AM
Why don't you use your brain and just skip over my posts then? You see my name, don't read it. I was the one posting on topic. You are the one derailing the thread. I don't like certain posters and I get mad about certain subjects. I ignore those things and don't even need the ignore list to do it. Why is it so hard for some of you?

Now stop crying and stop being such a hypocrite. "You should be banned for derailing threads but I am a great poster as I derail this thread!"

I'm saying you should be banned for overt trolling more than anything.

But in any case, welcome to ignore!

Cito Pelon
08-05-2010, 11:25 AM
To get a probable impact of the absence of Dumervile, all you have to do is look at the pass rush of the Kansas City Chiefs after the departure of Jared Allen. This injury is catastrophic.

It's too early to say that. You predicted a 3-13 season last year.

Killericon
08-05-2010, 11:28 AM
****.

TDmvp
08-05-2010, 11:29 AM
If conditioning is a priority and if the training staff is doing their job, and if the players are taking care of their bodies according to team standards, then there's not a whole lot that can be done about injuries. That being said, it was Shanny who drafted guys like Paul Toviessi and George Foster and it was Shanny who had multiple RB injuries and had guys like Torain.

That's just off the top of my head.

But you keep living the dream jhns.


God you are a moron. Spin spin spin ...

Let's see first it was shannys fault people got injured because of his conditioning training , then when it's pointed out we have the same conditioning coach as with Shanny you change your Bs to well It's shanny's fault because of who he drafted.



I understand you wana mouth hug Josh and all but dude you are delusional .
Injuries happen. Blaming coaches for them is stupid.


You and Popps should get together and fight crime.

jhns
08-05-2010, 11:29 AM
I'm saying you should be banned for overt trolling more than anything.

But in any case, welcome to ignore!

Well then I just have one last thing to say. Who cares, this isn't your forum....

Taco John
08-05-2010, 11:46 AM
I'm saying you should be banned for overt trolling more than anything.

But in any case, welcome to ignore!



I disagree. We've always had our naysayers. We allowed the "FireShanahan.com" guy have his say. We allowed Wolf to have his say. There were others.

I don't think jhns counts as a troll. Punisher, on the other hand... That guy was straight up trolling.

Hogan11
08-05-2010, 11:47 AM
I disagree. We've always had our naysayers. We allowed the "FireShanahan.com" guy have his say. We allowed Wolf to have his say. There were others.

I don't think jhns counts as a troll. Punisher, on the other hand... That guy was straight up trolling.

and has he been delt with yet?

Taco John
08-05-2010, 11:50 AM
and has he been delt with yet?

He got 10 days yesterday. We'll see how it goes.

Rabb
08-05-2010, 11:53 AM
Well then I just have one last thing to say. Who cares, this isn't your forum....

promise?

BigPlayShay
08-05-2010, 11:53 AM
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_Q6TZq05jaX8/Sud1_jNo9zI/AAAAAAAAAMI/hPegNf_HJ2A/s400/good+luck.jpg

"I just want to tell you both, good luck, we're all counting on you."

http://t3.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcRUVnizmOTGCfdk10Et446k-duEM31Q4O52uyYZ8MbVxdQG_OE&t=1&usg=__a_2ozwFZfEbtN66Q4Xy1xtC8ZEg=

Rulon Velvet Jones
08-05-2010, 11:56 AM
No one has copied the Tweet about McDaniels not panicking when Brady went down with an ACL in Week 1?

DomCasual
08-05-2010, 11:58 AM
I disagree. We've always had our naysayers. We allowed the "FireShanahan.com" guy have his say. We allowed Wolf to have his say. There were others.

I don't think jhns counts as a troll. Punisher, on the other hand... That guy was straight up trolling.

With all due respect (any time someone starts a comment with that, you know they're going to disagree with you :)), I don't think you follow him enough, if you really think this.

He disagrees for the sake of disagreeing - because, as he says, it's "fun." I am convinced that he doesn't believe most of what he says here. He just gets some sort of sad charge out of being the board villain. He makes outlandish statements; then contradicts them in the same thread. Then, when someone is foolish enough to engage him, he says, "Any idiot can see that I didn't say that, contextually." (He uses smaller words than "contextually," but I digress.)

I have never put someone on ignore, until today. He acts giddy over the loss of arguably the team's most important player. It's a Broncos board. What a douchebag.

I think I am fair-minded - almost to a fault. That's why it took me until today to just ignore him. But he's altogether worthless here.

Cito Pelon
08-05-2010, 11:59 AM
I disagree. We've always had our naysayers. We allowed the "FireShanahan.com" guy have his say. We allowed Wolf to have his say. There were others.

I don't think jhns counts as a troll. Punisher, on the other hand... That guy was straight up trolling.

Agreed.

If some of you don't like what someone else is saying, put them on ignore and STFU about it.

Really, it's incredibly stupid to complain about what you read from another poster when you can simply put the poster on ignore.

Good lord, take charge of your own problem, don't blame TJ for your problems.

oubronco
08-05-2010, 12:01 PM
Well is there any good olb's available?

jhns
08-05-2010, 12:03 PM
Does no one else find it comical that the guy complaining about derailing threads just completely derailed this thread?

Rabb
08-05-2010, 12:04 PM
With all due respect (any time someone starts a comment with that, you know they're going to disagree with you :)), I don't think you follow him enough, if you really think this.

He disagrees for the sake of disagreeing - because, as he says, it's "fun." I am convinced that he doesn't believe most of what he says here. He just gets some sort of sad charge out of being the board villain. He makes outlandish statements; then contradicts them in the same thread. Then, when someone is foolish enough to engage him, he says, "Any idiot can see that I didn't say that, contextually." (He uses smaller words than "contextually," but I digress.)

I have never put someone on ignore, until today. He acts giddy over the loss of arguably the team's most important player. It's a Broncos board. What a douchebag.

I think I am fair-minded - almost to a fault. That's why it took me until today to just ignore him. But he's altogether worthless here.

I agree with you Dom

but

for each trolling post he makes, someone is ALWAYS (me included) baited into a battle with him....always

so they would be as guilty then

DomCasual
08-05-2010, 12:07 PM
Agreed.

If some of you don't like what someone else is saying, put them on ignore and STFU about it.

Really, it's incredibly stupid to complain about what you read from another poster when you can simply put the poster on ignore.

Good lord, take charge of your own problem, don't blame TJ for your problems.

I agree, to an extent.

Putting people on ignore detracts from the board, in my opinion. As I mentioned, I did it - the guy is an uberdouche - and at some point, it becomes a matter of principle. But for better or worse, people will still respond to him. So, you follow a thread, and you don't see a big chunk of what's happening in that thread.

If someone just has a different opinion than you, it's one thing. But when someone argues because they like to argue, then it's something different entirely.

In real life, that person eventually gets his ass kicked by someone.

Rulon Velvet Jones
08-05-2010, 12:08 PM
Ogunleye available, too, if need be.

Florida_Bronco
08-05-2010, 12:12 PM
It's a good thing we held onto Jarvis Moss.

Here's your chance dude. Show us what you got.

chiefforlife
08-05-2010, 12:15 PM
Horrible news. Sorry to hear about Elvis. I liked the guy, rough deal.

cmhargrove
08-05-2010, 12:18 PM
It's a good thing we held onto Jarvis Moss.

Here's your chance dude. Show us what you got.

It's time for 6 foot 7 of black lightning - Jarvis the Manimal!

El Guapo
08-05-2010, 12:49 PM
****...We are so screwed!!! Jarvis Moss will now get a good look at the spot. Are their any vet FAs out there who can rush the passer?

Not 100% on FA's, but I've heard the cowboys are deep at the position. Deep enough to of placed a call (according to a buddy... Aka, for what it's worth).

OABB
08-05-2010, 12:51 PM
Jhins is a troll. He is not a detractor. There are chiefs fans here that we all love. Charger fans too. No one has a problem with detractors. I don't like ignore because it is just a p***Y move. It doesn't deal with the problm either. Jhins needs a ban as he even admitted to being a troll by calling it fun.

Ignore won't stop him for ruining this board unless everyone does it. That will never happen which is why the mods or owners must do it for us. If evryone agreed to put jhiz on ignore that would be awesome but it will never happen. Jhins is ruining this board period.

And not because he disagrees but because he argues for fun. Which is a troll.

Kaylore
08-05-2010, 12:52 PM
I disagree. We've always had our naysayers. We allowed the "FireShanahan.com" guy have his say. We allowed Wolf to have his say. There were others.

I don't think jhns counts as a troll. Punisher, on the other hand... That guy was straight up trolling.

I actually think the opposite. If someone wants to start their own thread about what a complete fan pussy they are and how they want "their" team to lose, that's on them. At least he made his own freaking thread to do it in and didn't piss all over everywhere else. People will throw cyber-trash at him and mock him endlessly, but that was his call.

Jhiz keeps recycling the same complaints/arguments in every thread no matter how little it directly connects. Thread hijacking is more trolling in my book than team hating. JMO.

ScottXray
08-05-2010, 12:56 PM
Well, we can't mortgage the whole future to make up for a few injuries this year.

Sucks that Dumerville and Clady are both hurt....as well as Knowshown and Buck.

time for coaching to show through...

We have to generate some rush, now without our best rusher, and we also have to contain the run, even more important that the rush, and we have to be able to run to keep the other D honest.

the season isn't over, and Camp just started...so McD has some time to find a way to plug the holes.

Its sure crap that we are getting hit by the injury bug so early and so often.

Hopefully we can salvage a respectable season out of the mess we suddenly have become.

Crushaholic
08-05-2010, 12:57 PM
I believe this is Moss' last chance to prove that he belongs on an NFL football field. He better be up to the challenge...

jhns
08-05-2010, 12:58 PM
I actually think the opposite. If someone wants to start their own thread about what a complete fan p***Y they are and how they want "their" team to lose, that's on them. At least he made his own freaking thread to do it in and didn't piss all over everywhere else. People will throw cyber-trash at him and mock him endlessly, but that was his call.

Jhiz keeps recycling the same complaints/arguments in every thread no matter how little it directly connects. Thread hijacking is more trolling in my book than team hating. JMO.

Says the guy that hijacked this thread and made it about me. I was on topic. Taco even got involved in the conversation I was having in this thread. You and others are hijacking the thread as you cry that I am the one doing it. Funny stuff.

I post about the thread topics. The people crying are the ones that troll.

Trolling would be following around a poster and crying that everyone needs to ignore them whenever they posy while not saying anything about the topic. I give my opinions. I believe my opinions. I respond to those that respond to my opnions. If I don't respond, you guys cry that I'm avoiding the post and that I know I'm wrong. If I do respond, I am just trying to argue and troll. You guys can't even make up your minds. You just hate what I have to say and get mad that you can't change my opinions.

Taco John
08-05-2010, 12:59 PM
I actually think the opposite. If someone wants to start their own thread about what a complete fan p***Y they are and how they want "their" team to lose, that's on them. At least he made his own freaking thread to do it in and didn't piss all over everywhere else. People will throw cyber-trash at him and mock him endlessly, but that was his call.

Jhiz keeps recycling the same complaints/arguments in every thread no matter how little it directly connects. Thread hijacking is more trolling in my book than team hating. JMO.


I definitely see what you are saying and agree with it. Starting a thread vs. polluting other threads is definitely something that I consider when examining a troll vs. a disgruntled fan.

I'll have to look at it more closely I suppose, but personally, my sense about jhns is that he's a disgruntled fan more than he's an outright troll. It is very possible I'm wrong though. I have personally stopped reading his posts because I felt like if I've read what he has to say once, I've read it a hundred times. I've kind of gone on the skimming over his posts mode looking for something more interesting. Unfortunately, that sometimes means skimming over a bunch of people's posts who seem to get something out of arguing with him.

DBroncos4life
08-05-2010, 01:01 PM
Aaron Schobel needs to be on a plane to Denver NOW.

People can say what they want about the season not being lost but right now we have two starting OLB's with a combined 3.5 sacks. Reid is now our sack leader with 4 sacks.

Rabb
08-05-2010, 01:02 PM
Aaron Schobel needs to be on a plane to Denver NOW.

People can say what they want about the season not being lost but right now we have two starting OLB's with a combined 3.5 sacks. Reid is now our sack leader with 4 sacks.

except, he doesn't want to play OLB which is partially why he is not wanting to return to Buffalo

The MVPlaya
08-05-2010, 01:06 PM
I tried to make a new thread, but it's not letting me...


Injuries happen, even to elite/Super Bowl teams

In attempt to sooth and strengthen some minds that are willing to be open, positive, strong, and soothed, let's remember that there are 31 other teams in the NFL.

The Colts made the Super Bowl last year without Bob Sanders (arguably their best/most important player on the defense).

Vikings lost EJ Henderson (star MLB, playcaller, etc) 12 games into the season.

Chargers lose Jamal Williams in TC last year.

Giants lost Shockey in 2007... but some might say this might have actually helped the club.

Patriots lost Brady in 2008, and our HC McDaniels never panicked and helped the team go 11-5 with a QB that had never started since HS.

Now, you sit back and say, are we special in this event? The answer is no. Injuries happen to star players every season. It depends on the HC to find ways to work with what they have and succeed.

Now, the reality is, our team/defense did just get worse. And our chances did just statistically go down a bit to win X games this season.

There is no denying that. Players have to step up, and we have some guys working hard to fill that.

If you can take anything positive away from this, there are these 2 things:

1. Better than Dumervil injured now (than later) is that the staff now has time to deal with and find some fixes. If this happened during the season - it would have been much more of a headache to try and fix on the fly.

2. There is a possibility Dumervil can return if we make the playoffs.

I'm sitting here comfortable because I know McD ain't no bitch and he's a head strong coach.

Injuries happen people.

If you guys want chime in, please post some more key/star player injuries of Super Bowl/Play off teams of the past to help prove my case, because I KNOW there are much more than what I just listed.

The MVPlaya
08-05-2010, 01:06 PM
Oh, and to those blaming McDaniels for running a physical camp, that's what elite teams do, that's what tough, physical, smart football teams do. That's what the Steelers do. The Ravens. The Patriots. etc...

Durango
08-05-2010, 01:08 PM
It's too early to say that. You predicted a 3-13 season last year.


Liar

http://orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2371988#post2371988

And it's not too early to say that Denver's pass rush will suffer terribly in the same way the Chief's pass rush dropped off the planet when Jared Allen was traded. When you or anyone is chanting 'Jarvis Moss', you know we're in big, big trouble. McPoopypants has managed to hire a couple of new defensive guns that should help with the run, but those pass rush stats will probably plummet.

DBroncos4life
08-05-2010, 01:09 PM
except, he doesn't want to play OLB which is partially why he is not wanting to return to Buffalo

That's kind of what I was afraid of.

DomCasual
08-05-2010, 01:11 PM
Oh, and to those blaming McDaniels for running a physical camp, that's what elite teams do, that's what tough, physical, smart football teams do. That's what the Steelers do. The Ravens. The Patriots. etc...

Last season, I distinctly remember LOTS of posts discussing what a refreshing change McDaniels more aggressive camps brought. Over the years, some of Shanahan's teams were notoriously HORRIBLE tackling teams. I remember lots of speculation about that being because there was such little hitting in practices, players started losing the skill.

There are pros and cons to each approach.

mkporter
08-05-2010, 01:13 PM
Oh, and to those blaming McDaniels for running a physical camp, that's what elite teams do, that's what tough, physical, smart football teams do. That's what the Steelers do. The Ravens. The Patriots. etc...

This. Guess what team was the least injured in football last year despite a tough physical training camp?

Yup. McPoopypants et al.

http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stat-analysis/2010/2009-adjusted-games-lost-totals

Hamrob
08-05-2010, 01:14 PM
Wow!

Clady
Moreno
Dumervil

It would be a decent argument that those are our best 3 players. Ouch!

I think we can still win with what we have. Clady and Moreno will be back from most of the season.

Time for Ayers/Moss to step up. The positive could be that they do step up. This certainly gives them the oppurtunity if it didnt' already exist.

The MVPlaya
08-05-2010, 01:14 PM
Colts were still 3rd in the league in defense in 2007 when Freeney got injured.

Hamrob
08-05-2010, 01:16 PM
This is McDaniels team...win/lose or draw. Stuff like this happens to teams every year. You have to be able to manage the adversity. If there's a good time for this to happen...IMO...it's in the preseason. They can try to correct things before they get into the season.

Hulamau
08-05-2010, 01:17 PM
Wow.

I'm an optimistic guy, but that's pretty brutal. Looks like he's missing a minimum of what, 10 games or so? Yikes. He might be the hardest guy on the whole team to replace.

Oh well, still not giving up hope. We'll have him back at some point, and this is likely a transitional season anyway.

Go Broncos.

Absolutely, terrible loss anyway you slice it, but we might still do better than expected. Just hope that Jarvis' reported resurrection is the real deal and he can finally blossom into a soild first round pass rusher he showed signs of at Florida.

He'll certainly be motivated and its true some guys just need three or four years and the right circumstances to get it all together. The sky ISNT falling guys. Doom is a major loss and I doubt any one guy is going to replace him.

But our D-line should be miles better than last year and get far better push on the pocket and in run stopping making both Ayers and Moss's job a bit easier as it is.

Would have MUCH perferred Elvis could have taken advantage of the new Dline this year too, but Im not about to throw in the towel!! After some of you guys get over the shock, I'm sure you'll settle down some too.. it sucks but the whoole D is going to be better overall and between Ayers and Moss perhaps they can more of less take up most of the slack on the rush.

And in any event. few of us were particuarly expecting a 14-2 season this year as it was, but with a little good fortune, and hopefully we have more than paid the Inury Bug Piper for this year now, we will find away to play competitive ball and make a push in the playoffs.

This team is very much in rebuilding mode still and we won't really see the full results until 2012 by which time Tebow should be up to speed ... 2011 if we are lucky and if there is a season.

This year just try to enjoy the ride as it is and maybe we are pleasantly surprised when its all over?:sunshine:

Go Broncos!!!

The MVPlaya
08-05-2010, 01:17 PM
Last season, I distinctly remember LOTS of posts discussing what a refreshing change McDaniels more aggressive camps brought. Over the years, some of Shanahan's teams were notoriously HORRIBLE tackling teams. I remember lots of speculation about that being because there was such little hitting in practices, players started losing the skill.

There are pros and cons to each approach.

Yes - but this approach brings out aggressiveness and it has the going HARD approach it. It brings you a stronger football team. It's kind of like, going all out rather than staying conservative and hoping chips fall your way.

Speaking of, didn't Bengals run an extremely physical camp last year for their standards? That defense sure did well with some "no namers"...

diehardbroncosfan
08-05-2010, 01:19 PM
Wow!

I think we can still win with what we have. Clady and Moreno will be back from most of the season.



Exactly. This is the thing people are forgetting. From what I've read, it's likely that Moreno is back in three weeks and very possible that Clady is back by the first game in Jacksonville. That means we're down one superstar, but the other injuries that have occurred are not really that devastating at this point since both are likely coming back sooner, rather than later.

DBroncos4life
08-05-2010, 01:21 PM
Colts were still 3rd in the league in defense in 2007 when Freeney got injured.

Well if our O scores 28 points per game and puts pressure on the other team to have to score like the 2007 Colts we might be OK as well. That D was plus 18 in turnovers. That team was 26th in sacks though, which isn't that great.

LongDongJohnson
08-05-2010, 01:22 PM
i see a lot of post saying rich tuten should be let go. i dont agree that he should be fired. the biggest problem was shanahan controlled everything related denver broncos. even the strength and conditioning.

with mcdaniels, tuten is finally able to do his job.

read this article from last years training camp.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_13023755

last year we had almost no injuries.

this year we lost clady to basketball and dumervil to some fluke injury. i say tuten is doing a good job under mcdaniels.
and atleast clady is supposed to come back this season. possibly by week 1.

Chris
08-05-2010, 01:23 PM
MVPlaya thank you for the inspiring posts. I'm feeling better. Go team.

outdoor_miner
08-05-2010, 01:24 PM
Colts were still 3rd in the league in defense in 2007 when Freeney got injured.

This is exactly what I've been thinking about... Simply put: someone else needs to step up. It can be done.

Kaylore
08-05-2010, 01:26 PM
I definitely see what you are saying and agree with it. Starting a thread vs. polluting other threads is definitely something that I consider when examining a troll vs. a disgruntled fan.

I'll have to look at it more closely I suppose, but personally, my sense about jhns is that he's a disgruntled fan more than he's an outright troll. It is very possible I'm wrong though. I have personally stopped reading his posts because I felt like if I've read what he has to say once, I've read it a hundred times. I've kind of gone on the skimming over his posts mode looking for something more interesting. Unfortunately, that sometimes means skimming over a bunch of people's posts who seem to get something out of arguing with him.

The old "who is more stupid riddle." Well banning the troll feeders would work for me too. Same difference as far as I'm concerned.

The MVPlaya
08-05-2010, 01:30 PM
MVPlaya thank you for the inspiring posts. I'm feeling better. Go team.

I'm trying.

For anybody whose followed football for a number of years and actually follows the whole league, it's easy for them to gain perspective on the situation. Why do you think McDaniels refers to it so much? Of not being any different than the other 31 teams in teams in the NFL?

This is an opportunity of Kirlew, Moss, and Ayers to all step up and earn themselves some $$$. Everyone has an incentive to another's downfall.

broncocalijohn
08-05-2010, 01:30 PM
Guess what, there are 31 other teams that don't have Clady and Dumervil either, something tells me they aren't all going to suck.

The case is we dont have anyone but a disapointing Ayers and a bust Moss. THat is a huge drop off. We dont even have average at that position. On the good side, these two have the whole TC to get the reps in to become a better player. It is all on them at this moment.

BlaK-Argentina
08-05-2010, 01:32 PM
GO Jarvis GOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!!

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 01:32 PM
LOL!

That's what I'm talking about. You haven't researched it. You're just making statements and hoping that they're true! Ha!

2 minute seach on the interwebz:

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=147371

Garcia Bronco
08-05-2010, 01:32 PM
Gosh...I feel bad for the guy, but I just don't care. He'll be back at some point and ready to play.

serious hops
08-05-2010, 01:34 PM
I definitely see what you are saying and agree with it. Starting a thread vs. polluting other threads is definitely something that I consider when examining a troll vs. a disgruntled fan.

I'll have to look at it more closely I suppose, but personally, my sense about jhns is that he's a disgruntled fan more than he's an outright troll. It is very possible I'm wrong though. I have personally stopped reading his posts because I felt like if I've read what he has to say once, I've read it a hundred times. I've kind of gone on the skimming over his posts mode looking for something more interesting. Unfortunately, that sometimes means skimming over a bunch of people's posts who seem to get something out of arguing with him.

I'm going to chime in with an outsider's perspective here. . .

Kudos to you for giving everyone a fair chance, but it's pretty easy to see that the guy is very disruptive to your community-- probably intentionally. I don't read his posts, but the gigantic and typically pointless arguments that he spawns make a lot of threads here borderline-unreadable IMO, even after skipping over his silly garbage. Does the guy really contribute anything that warrants the constant disruption? Get rid of him, it will improve the overall quality of your site significantly. Just sayin'.

I'm now going to go bang my head against a wall until one of our other OLBs shows that he can get after the quarterback.

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 01:42 PM
I consider training camp the season, fckstain.

Training camp is part of the pre-season.

orange 4 life
08-05-2010, 01:48 PM
Wow this isn't what I was hoping to see.
Haven't been around the board lately and wanted to get some news.

This kind of news wasn't ideal.
When it rains it pours I guess.

Well I guess it's time for an unknown to get a chance.
Many scenarios have been mentioned but try this on for size.
It wasn't due to injury but rather our first glance at the giant (and largely inescapable) dog house of Mike Shanahan.
We have a probowl wide receiver in Anthony Miller and he gets dropped like a bad habit after '96.
I'm guessing I wasn't the only one who said "Oh you gotta be F-n KIDDING me!! We're really gonna start the season with a no name journeyman in McCaffrey and another guy who's name I only know because he caught that hail mary against the skins in '95."

Heck Smith only had about 20 catches in his CAREER before '97.
Is this team like the '97 team? Okay probably not.
That said this team is LIGHT YEARS better than people think.
Last years team was likely an Orton injury away from the playoffs and we can be in that situation again....even though Elivis has left the building for awhile.
Forgive the bad joke. I couldn't resist.

Florida_Bronco
08-05-2010, 02:08 PM
It's time for 6 foot 7 of black lightning - Jarvis the Manimal!

We'll see. It's his time to shine now and obviously the coaching staff some enough from him last year to deem him worthy of a roster spot.

Tombstone RJ
08-05-2010, 02:13 PM
2 minute seach on the interwebz:

http://forums.denverbroncos.com/showthread.php?t=147371

TJ, I particularly love post #15, check it out:

"The Orange Mane dudes reported that Shanahan's stretching took about two minutes compared to fifteen/twenty minutes now."

lostknight
08-05-2010, 02:24 PM
i see a lot of post saying rich tuten should be let go. i dont agree that he should be fired. the biggest problem was shanahan controlled everything related denver broncos. even the strength and conditioning.

with mcdaniels, tuten is finally able to do his job.

read this article from last years training camp.
http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_13023755

last year we had almost no injuries.

this year we lost clady to basketball and dumervil to some fluke injury. i say tuten is doing a good job under mcdaniels.
and atleast clady is supposed to come back this season. possibly by week 1.

Given that we had the exact same collapse after a late season injury last year under the "new" protocol, and that we are down three critical players, I think we can safely say that it didn't work.

It's well past time for a new approach and new resources in the strength and conditioning as well as the medical front end - especially after some of the comments Al Wilson and Marshall made about Greek.

yerner
08-05-2010, 02:31 PM
Training camp is part of the pre-season.


You enjoy arguing over semantics? dork.

SoDak Bronco
08-05-2010, 02:52 PM
Here's to a full recovery Elvis...Def. a sad day to be a broncos fan

2KBack
08-05-2010, 02:53 PM
Here's to a full recovery Elvis...Def. a sad day to be a broncos fan

Jeez dude, he isn't dead.

Chris
08-05-2010, 02:54 PM
Jeez dude, he isn't dead.

He's not? I thought he was dead indefinitely...

One thing people overlook - Elvis will still be a leader in the locker room and from the sideline.

mhgaffney
08-05-2010, 02:58 PM
Moss needs to step out. This is his big chance.

SoDak Bronco
08-05-2010, 02:59 PM
I know he's alive...but he's pretty much gone for the season...thus giving me very little hope for this season

2KBack
08-05-2010, 03:00 PM
I know he's alive...but he's pretty much gone for the season...thus giving me very little hope for this season

yeah, some people keep saying this. It doesn't make any sense to me, but okay.

Los Broncos
08-05-2010, 03:02 PM
Jeez dude, he isn't dead.

Hilarious!

Broncoman13
08-05-2010, 03:21 PM
while Jarvis won't get17 sacks, I bet he will come thru with 8 or more!

UberBroncoMan
08-05-2010, 03:26 PM
while Jarvis won't get17 sacks, I bet he will come thru with 8 or more!

Now that's an optimist.

cabronco
08-05-2010, 03:27 PM
There's no "I" in team . But there is an E, or was... crap were doomed without Elvis !!! / sarcasm. Time for other players to step up, esp. Moss.

FireFly
08-05-2010, 05:40 PM
It's not just that we lose Dumervil and his production, the production of other players will also be negatively affected and that is almost more important a lose.

Dumervil makes every player around him more dangerous because offenses have to account for him at the expense of other protections.

Make no mistake, I'm a fan but this is going to hurt the team like no other injury could. It's worth at least 3 wins. Yes I believe that he is that important to our team. If I thought that we had someone else that could step up, or any faith that the offense could carry the team maybe it wouldn't cost us a single game. Sadly though, as it is he was out one real weapon that was ready to go right now.

HAT
08-05-2010, 05:42 PM
It's not just that we lose Dumervil and his production, the production of other players will also be negatively affected and that is almost more important a lose.

Dumervil makes every player around him more dangerous because offenses have to account for him at the expense of other protections.

Make no mistake, I'm a fan but this is going to hurt the team like no other injury could. It's worth at least 3 wins. Yes I believe that he is that important to our team. If I thought that we had someone else that could step up, or any faith that the offense could carry the team maybe it wouldn't cost us a single game. Sadly though, as it is he was out one real weapon that was ready to go right now.

Wow. Just wow.

FireFly
08-05-2010, 06:23 PM
Wow. Just wow.

And I stand by it.

Dumervil's presence is potentially worth 3 wins for this teams. We're a marginally good team with him. Competitive but far from dominant. Take him away, take into acount all of the gaps and injuries on the team and I think it could be that severe.

Yes. The sky is falling.

watermock
08-05-2010, 06:41 PM
So what? That does not mean the Broncos run the same program and adhere to the same standards. All that means is that Tuten was retained. McD sets the standards, not Tuten.

Greek was also retained and peeps here have been calling for his nutz for years. What does that say? It tells me that Greek and Tuten were doing their jobs according to their HC's standards.

Most of the valued coaches left, including Nolan, Turner and Dennison, not to loser teams either. Teams and the uptick for coaches/GM's like Parcels, Shanny and Kubiak.

Tuten and the Greek? Yes men. Frankly, McDummy has spent more on dumping offensive talent and drafting question marks on offense while using FA on a patchjob on D.

Denver has a pretty easy schedule with AZ weaker and in a weak division.

We now have a 3 headed mess at QB, rookies at OL, WR and 1 aging star on D.

This was the season we could of won 12 games. We might win 9 on schedule alone.

watermock
08-05-2010, 06:52 PM
The Jets had a pretty good defense last year despite their top pass rusher being Calvin Pace with 8 sacks. Even Sandy Eggo made it pretty far on the back of Shaun Philips 7 sacks. This isn't the end of the world people, just calm down, have some juice and go jerk off and realize when you come back that we are still not as bad as the Raiders or Chiefs and be happy.

Umm, we lost to Jabba the Raider, (who was cut), and KC AT HOME with the playoffs on the line. Sorry.

watermock
08-05-2010, 07:01 PM
He got 10 days yesterday. We'll see how it goes.

I say we let the Dog moderate from beyond.

oubronco
08-05-2010, 07:10 PM
Now that's an optimist.

Or somebody high on something :~ohyah!:

Homer Simpson
08-05-2010, 07:13 PM
Most of the valued coaches left, including Nolan, Turner and Dennison, not to loser teams either. Teams and the uptick for coaches/GM's like Parcels, Shanny and Kubiak.

Tuten and the Greek? Yes men. Frankly, McDummy has spent more on dumping offensive talent and drafting question marks on offense while using FA on a patchjob on D.

Denver has a pretty easy schedule with AZ weaker and in a weak division.

We now have a 3 headed mess at QB, rookies at OL, WR and 1 aging star on D.

This was the season we could of won 12 games. We might win 9 on schedule alone.

If the head moderator promises to sticky it can you post this as a thread and stop posting altogether? I have read this or a version of it about 10 times.

ZONA
08-05-2010, 07:24 PM
I'm really starting to get pissed now. All these ****ing injuries.........****ing again. This team can't catch a GD break when it comes to injuries, no matter who the ****ing coaching is.

**** **** ****

**** **** ****

watermock
08-05-2010, 07:28 PM
How Amusing.

"Breaking News"

"Brett Favre shows his penis, tell media to wait for it...".

Dukes
08-05-2010, 07:31 PM
How Amusing.

"Breaking News"

"Brett Favre shows his penis, tell media to wait for it...".

Are you related to John Madden?

HAT
08-05-2010, 07:36 PM
And I stand by it.

Dumervil's presence is potentially worth 3 wins for this teams. We're a marginally good team with him. Competitive but far from dominant. Take him away, take into acount all of the gaps and injuries on the team and I think it could be that severe.

Yes. The sky is falling.

Well, first you said at least 3 games...Now you're saying potentially 3 games and adding other factors into the mix. Big difference.

Either way, I don't see it.

watermock
08-05-2010, 07:37 PM
Are you related to John Madden?

No, more like the Lufewaffe.

Cito Pelon
08-06-2010, 07:48 AM
I agree, to an extent.

Putting people on ignore detracts from the board, in my opinion. As I mentioned, I did it - the guy is an uberdouche - and at some point, it becomes a matter of principle. But for better or worse, people will still respond to him. So, you follow a thread, and you don't see a big chunk of what's happening in that thread.

If someone just has a different opinion than you, it's one thing. But when someone argues because they like to argue, then it's something different entirely.

In real life, that person eventually gets his ass kicked by someone.

Well, it's been obvious to me (even though I have had jhns on iggy for over a year) that jhns really horribly disrupts threads. In fact, even though I've had him on ignore, I've thought to myself many times, "This guy ruins the thread as soon as he posts the first time."

So I can see the "ban him" point of view.

jhns
08-06-2010, 08:14 AM
I think you should just ban all the hypocrites posting off topic in this thread. They seem to think that is ban worthy. Maybe they should be shown that it is ban worthy. I don't see any of them taking their own advice and creating a new thread to discuss this topic of me. If I was off topic in this thread then so was the site owner. He was in on the conversation I was having. Maybe people should start chanting that Taco needs banned.... That should get ineresting.

OABB
08-06-2010, 08:26 AM
I think you should just ban all the hypocrites posting off topic in this thread. They seem to think that is ban worthy. Maybe they should be shown that it is ban worthy. I don't see any of them taking their own advice and creating a new thread to discuss this topic of me. If I was off topic in this thread then so was the site owner. He was in on the conversation I was having. Maybe people should start chanting that Taco needs banned.... That should get ineresting.

This is the tornado effect you cause by being a troll. Why get upset, you love this. This is what you live for you fat, lonely nerd. Just sit back and enjoy.

Soon taco will see what we all see and you will be gone. I'm not starting abthread about you either, as you would probably jhiz yourself at the attention. Now shut the **** up and get back to trolling.

Rabb
08-06-2010, 08:29 AM
I think you should just ban all the hypocrites posting off topic in this thread. They seem to think that is ban worthy. Maybe they should be shown that it is ban worthy. I don't see any of them taking their own advice and creating a new thread to discuss this topic of me. If I was off topic in this thread then so was the site owner. He was in on the conversation I was having. Maybe people should start chanting that Taco needs banned.... That should get ineresting.

go **** yourself

jhns
08-06-2010, 08:32 AM
This is the tornado effect you cause by being a troll. Why get upset, you love this. This is what you live for you fat, lonely nerd. Just sit back and enjoy.

Soon taco will see what we all see and you will be gone. I'm not starting abthread about you either, as you would probably jhiz yourself at the attention. Now shut the **** up and get back to trolling.

What would be the difference of a new thread? This one is about me. You really think the mods haven't seen my posts? Maybe it is just that you guys get upset about my opinions and now you are the ones trolling. I post about football. You guys troll all of my posts and come with stuff like this. You follow around my posts to insult me and cry about my opinions whenever you don't agree with them. How is that not trolling? So I agree, ban the trolls. Kaylore and this guy should be the first to go.

Eldorado
08-06-2010, 08:36 AM
Stay on target...stayyy on target...

PRBronco
08-06-2010, 08:39 AM
So, about Elvis, I don't want to wade through this thread. Do we know if he rupture the tendon as well?

Chris
08-06-2010, 08:41 AM
What would be the difference of a new thread? This one is about me. You really think the mods haven't seen my posts? Maybe it is just that you guys get upset about my opinions and now you are the ones trolling. I post about football. You guys troll all of my posts and come with stuff like this. You follow around my posts to insult me and cry about my opinions whenever you don't agree with them. How is that not trolling? So I agree, ban the trolls. Kaylore and this guy should be the first to go.

http://brundleflyonthewall.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/dawsons-ugly-cry.jpg?w=320&h=240

jhns
08-06-2010, 08:43 AM
http://brundleflyonthewall.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/dawsons-ugly-cry.jpg?w=320&h=240

Says one of the whiners.

Eldorado
08-06-2010, 08:47 AM
jhns was on the debate team in highschool.

Chris
08-06-2010, 08:48 AM
So, about Elvis, I don't want to wade through this thread. Do we know if he rupture the tendon as well?

Yes.

From DP "Dumervil, if a surgical diagnosis is confirmed, is expected to have an operation to reattach his pectoral tendon as soon as this weekend."

PRBronco
08-06-2010, 09:02 AM
Yes.

From DP "Dumervil, if a surgical diagnosis is confirmed, is expected to have an operation to reattach his pectoral tendon as soon as this weekend."

:( Rupture is the nastiest word in sports injuries ><

hookemhess
08-06-2010, 09:24 AM
@VicLombardi This is getting ridiculous. Jarvis Moss clutching his hand on way to training room and Chris Kuper limping right behind him.

jhns
08-06-2010, 09:31 AM
@VicLombardi This is getting ridiculous. Jarvis Moss clutching his hand on way to training room and Chris Kuper limping right behind him.

Wow, ridiculous is right. Maybe lostknight isn't that far off. I don't remember ever seeing an injury problem develope so early in camp. If this camp is any indication of how the season will go, we will really get to see what kind of depth McDaniels has built in his short time here.

Florida_Bronco
08-06-2010, 09:55 AM
Wow, ridiculous is right. Maybe lostknight isn't that far off. When he can draw a positive correlation between the physicality of camp and injuries, then maybe. So far, he has not done so.

L.A. BRONCOS FAN
08-06-2010, 08:42 PM
Sources: Elvis Dumervil out indefinitely

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:cuss: :vermeil:

Tombstone RJ
08-07-2010, 01:43 PM
Absolutely, terrible loss anyway you slice it, but we might still do better than expected. Just hope that Jarvis' reported resurrection is the real deal and he can finally blossom into a soild first round pass rusher he showed signs of at Florida.

He'll certainly be motivated and its true some guys just need three or four years and the right circumstances to get it all together. The sky ISNT falling guys. Doom is a major loss and I doubt any one guy is going to replace him.

But our D-line should be miles better than last year and get far better push on the pocket and in run stopping making both Ayers and Moss's job a bit easier as it is.

Would have MUCH perferred Elvis could have taken advantage of the new Dline this year too, but Im not about to throw in the towel!! After some of you guys get over the shock, I'm sure you'll settle down some too.. it sucks but the whoole D is going to be better overall and between Ayers and Moss perhaps they can more of less take up most of the slack on the rush.

And in any event. few of us were particuarly expecting a 14-2 season this year as it was, but with a little good fortune, and hopefully we have more than paid the Inury Bug Piper for this year now, we will find away to play competitive ball and make a push in the playoffs.

This team is very much in rebuilding mode still and we won't really see the full results until 2012 by which time Tebow should be up to speed ... 2011 if we are lucky and if there is a season.

This year just try to enjoy the ride as it is and maybe we are pleasantly surprised when its all over?:sunshine:

Go Broncos!!!

Well said. It deserves to be repeated.