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oubronco
08-03-2010, 05:50 PM
Moss Out To Prove He's No First-Round Flop

Arnie Stapleton, AP Sports Writer

While Tebowmaniacs line the Denver Broncos' practice fields hoping to catch a glimpse of quarterback Tim Tebow's transformation, they're missing the metamorphosis of another former Florida Gator right before their eyes.

A year ago, pass-rusher Jarvis Moss walked out of training camp so bedeviled by personal problems that he wondered whether he should walk away from football altogether.

He returned three days later but had another forgettable season, recording no sacks, no tackles and one pass break-up while playing in just seven games.

Moss said he needed the respite last summer to clear his head and help him rediscover his passion.

"There was a lot of stuff on my plate last year. A lot of stuff that wasn't just football. A lot of stuff built up on me," he said. "I had to sit down, take a deep look at myself and realize this is what I am -- I'm a football player. This is what I love to do. ... It's serious now."

Now, Moss looks nothing like that undersized, overwhelmed player who nearly walked away from football forever. He's added muscle and appears both stronger and more focused at practice. So winded was he after one workout this week that he did interviews with his hands on his knees, sweat streaming off his face.

"No, I don't need to vomit," he said, straightening up.

His teammates and his coaches are raving about this new Jarvis Moss.

"He's looking good," NFL sacks king Elvis Dumervil said Tuesday. "He's working. He's making fewer mistakes and his energy level is high. He seems more focused."

Moss said he's finally figured things out in his fourth season and worked relentlessly over the spring and summer to put it all on display.

"I just put in the time. It's important to me now," Moss said. "I thought I'd take the time in the offseason and get right. I picture myself doing big things."

So does safety Brian Dawkins.

"You can see it in his mindset," Dawkins said. "Obviously, I haven't been with Jarvis in other years, what everybody's talking about. All I see is Jarvis today. What I see of Jarvis today is a guy who is dialed in, dedicated. He's pushing himself and asking questions left and right in the meeting room to make sure he's where he needs to be."

Dawkins' first impression of Moss a year ago was watching him take a three-day furlough to mull retirement, which could have resulted in him having to return $3.6 million of his signing bonus to the Broncos.

After missing five practices, Moss returned to camp only to find himself even further down the depth chart at outside linebacker in the team's new 3-4 scheme with the arrival of first-round draft pick Robert Ayers.

Moss has just 3 1/2 sacks in his career and has struggled to fit into the NFL ever since former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan moved up to select him with the 17th overall pick in the 2007 draft.

After last season, Broncos coach Josh McDaniels met with Moss and encouraged him to gain both weight and perspective, and it appears he's done both.

He added seven pounds of muscle and now packs 257 pounds on his sleek 6-foot-7 frame, and his rededication is evident in his physique and his fitness.

"He had a great offseason, and we talked to Jarvis about that being important for him," McDaniels said. "I think he's stronger. He's maintained his weight, which has been an up-and-down thing and has kind of fluctuated in the past. He's got such a lean body, but he's very powerful."

And his head is no longer swimming with Xs and Os and bogged down by personal problems.

"He knows the system better," McDaniels said. "It's not his first year in this system playing as an outside linebacker and he's doing a lot of the little things right that take some time to learn," McDaniels said. "So, we're excited about what we've got with Jarvis this year."

Moss wants more than anything not to be known as a first-round flop.

"I want to go ahead and start a legacy for myself," he said, "just live up to what people expect me to be."

Moss, who came into the league as a 4-3 defensive end, feels he's found a home at outside linebacker in the 3-4:

"I love it. I realize this is what I should have been doing for a long time," he said.

And something he has hopes to be doing for a lot longer, too.

http://cbs4denver.com/broncos/Jarvis.Moss.Broncos.2.1841091.html

yerner
08-03-2010, 05:56 PM
After news stories like this one players always end up getting released.

gunns
08-03-2010, 05:56 PM
That sounds great, I hope he succeeds. Nothing like more great talent.

CEH
08-03-2010, 05:57 PM
This could be the story of the year. Dedicated, weight kept up, we need a presense opposite Doom. All great pass rushing teams have 2 forces to deal with

I'm rooting for the kid

The Joker
08-03-2010, 05:58 PM
I'm beside myself with excitement.

HorseHead
08-03-2010, 06:02 PM
still needs to keep going to the "Olive Garden" , and carbo loading like a mo fo..

Requiem
08-03-2010, 06:03 PM
Somewhere, I think we've heard this before.

Br0nc0Buster
08-03-2010, 06:05 PM
AFC West qbs have just been put on notice, Moss means business now...

Hamrob
08-03-2010, 06:14 PM
He's serious now. Who cares about the millions he's pocketed for 3.5 sacks of production. Sounds like his contract is coming to an end. Pay this kid more money if you dare.

Broncobiv
08-03-2010, 06:15 PM
Considering we spend a 1st AND a 3rd AND a 6th round pick to get this guy...he'd better produce this year!

BroncoLifer
08-03-2010, 06:25 PM
Moss has just 3 1/2 sacks in his career and has struggled to fit into the NFL ever since former Broncos coach Mike Shanahan moved up to select him with the 17th overall pick in the 2007 draft.


I was surprised to read that he actually has 3.5 sacks --- I sure don't remember them.

JCMElway
08-03-2010, 06:28 PM
I'll believe it when I see it. In 6 or more games.

KipCorrington25
08-03-2010, 06:37 PM
Yeah that's the worst thing about this time of year, all the write ups about the busts talking a big game but seldom, if ever producing. We already had the Ayers version of this about a week ago so next week it will be the Richard Quinn has worked really hard and gotten stronger story followed up the week after that with the Alphonso Smith has gotten faster, taller, and has a great attitude article...

extralife
08-03-2010, 06:41 PM
It's a little late to not be a bust there, chief.

CSU Husker
08-03-2010, 06:43 PM
Sweet, maybe he will get one tackle this year.

RunSilentRunDeep
08-03-2010, 06:53 PM
He must be flashing Corey Jackson-type skills.

snowspot66
08-03-2010, 06:57 PM
Yeah that's the worst thing about this time of year, all the write ups about the busts talking a big game but seldom, if ever producing. We already had the Ayers version of this about a week ago so next week it will be the Richard Quinn has worked really hard and gotten stronger story followed up the week after that with the Alphonso Smith has gotten faster, taller, and has a great attitude article...

You state it like it's a bad thing those guys had articles like this about them. This is what sports "writers" always write about second year guys.

Comparing Moss to them is apples and oranges. Moss has just been a big fat disappointment.

If this is his first year of really trying well then great. We have a 4th year rookie. Let's hope he can make us all believe in him. Because right now I think we're all tired of reading about it.

SouthStndJunkie
08-03-2010, 07:06 PM
Sweet....about time we got our training camp "Moss Out To Prove He's No First-Round Bust" article.

FireFly
08-03-2010, 07:08 PM
I thought I gave up on Moss.

Then like the Bronco Homer I am, the glimmer of hope fills my eyes again.

I don't think he'll ever amount to much in the league and I'd almost be annoyed if he did now that he's wasted so much of the teams time - an odd thing to say for sure, and no doubt I want dominant player on the team, so I'd love for him to be elite... but I'd rather some other player came from no where to become a superstar talent.

gyldenlove
08-03-2010, 07:21 PM
It's a little late to not be a bust there, chief.

Come on, one thing is to call him a bust which is fair enough, but it isn't a but harsh to start labeling him a Chief, he hasn't failed that bad.

theAPAOps5
08-03-2010, 07:24 PM
You know there is no fan emotion vested in Moss anymore. He has been written off and has become an after thought except when we talk about how wasteful that pick was.

So to me there is no need to have to see proof or even argue whether he has turned the corner.

Its a win win of sorts. Either he doesn't do anything like the past 3 years as fans expect or he comes in and becomes a contributor which makes the team better.

I hope he is better and plays better!

extralife
08-03-2010, 07:24 PM
Come on, one thing is to call him a bust which is fair enough, but it isn't a but harsh to start labeling him a Chief, he hasn't failed that bad.

I lold

cmhargrove
08-03-2010, 07:27 PM
Yes, but does he want to dominate?

McDman
08-03-2010, 07:55 PM
So what happens if he plays very well? Do we eventually move Ayers in next to DJ? Does Ayers have the tools to play inside?

ShutDownPoster
08-03-2010, 07:57 PM
Jarvis Moss on the field after a running play:

http://www.bluebirdgardens.com/graphics/RaggedyAnnDolls/rag%20doll%2020%20inches%201.jpg

maher_tyler
08-03-2010, 08:28 PM
So what happens if he plays very well? Do we eventually move Ayers in next to DJ? Does Ayers have the tools to play inside?

Doubt it..he'd still be vulnerable on run plays..so he'd prolly be in on obvious pass plays imo.

BMarsh615
08-03-2010, 08:38 PM
Selvin Young for 2,000 yards baby!!!!!

wolf754life
08-03-2010, 09:21 PM
too much fluff, make it stop! ahhhhhhhhhhhhh

~Crash~
08-03-2010, 09:55 PM
So what happens if he plays very well? Do we eventually move Ayers in next to DJ? Does Ayers have the tools to play inside?

that is what Ayers is SLMB ! He is strong as a bull.

UberBroncoMan
08-03-2010, 09:55 PM
Just in time for contract year. Way to go Jarvis!

Steve Sewell
08-03-2010, 10:04 PM
Yeah that's the worst thing about this time of year, all the write ups about the busts talking a big game but seldom, if ever producing. We already had the Ayers version of this about a week ago so next week it will be the Richard Quinn has worked really hard and gotten stronger story followed up the week after that with the Alphonso Smith has gotten faster, taller, and has a great attitude article...

I take it you're not a big fan of the 2009 draft class? rofl

Steve Sewell
08-03-2010, 10:06 PM
Just in time for contract year. Way to go Jarvis!

hehe I was thinking the same thing.

"Hey I know I didn't take football seriously for the first 3 years of playing and getting paid as a 1st rounder, but NOW I'M SERIOUS!!!!"

ghwk
08-03-2010, 10:10 PM
I'm just going to come out and say it--Moss blows and will be traded for a conditional 7th rounder next year.

bap454
08-03-2010, 10:13 PM
Selvin Young for 2,000 yards baby!!!!!

If he stays grounded and focused, he has a chance to be the defensive rookie of the year....Hilarious!

atomicbloke
08-03-2010, 10:27 PM
I was surprised to read that he actually has 3.5 sacks --- I sure don't remember them.

I think they are counting sacks during practice too.

epicSocialism4tw
08-03-2010, 10:32 PM
Bust.

Next?

Garcia Bronco
08-03-2010, 11:23 PM
I had to check the date on this thread. Lol

ZONA
08-03-2010, 11:49 PM
The more the years go by and the less you do on the field, the more your message falls on deaf ears. I hope he can turn things around but he's really really running out of time here. If he doesn't make an impact this year, he's done.

Man-Goblin
08-03-2010, 11:51 PM
I think I saw him in a gas station once in Alachua, FL. Give the guy a break.

watermock
08-03-2010, 11:57 PM
Ayers is looking like Moss more every day.

Maybe it'sthat they were both DE's.

In fact Doom is a DE,a very limited DE at that.

Popps
08-03-2010, 11:59 PM
Ayers is looking like Moss more every day.

Hilarious!

extralife
08-04-2010, 12:01 AM
The more the years go by and the less you do on the field, the more your message falls on deaf ears. I hope he can turn things around but he's really really running out of time here. If he doesn't make an impact this year, he's done.

He doesn't even have this year. He has this camp.

Houshyamama
08-04-2010, 12:16 AM
Ayers is looking like Moss more every day.

Maybe it'sthat they were both DE's.

In fact Doom is a DE,a very limited DE at that.

Hilarious!

fontaine
08-04-2010, 04:00 AM
Like it or not, our late season is going to depend on our backups like Moss when injuries start piling up. Every year our starters are good enough to play decent football but every year, later in the season, starters get injured and the backups come in only to stink the place up and get us rolling to another late season choke job.

24champ
08-04-2010, 04:16 AM
Somewhere, I think we've heard this before.

I was thinking this was a rehash of an article from the last offseason we went through. Arnie is getting lazy...

watermock
08-04-2010, 05:25 AM
http://www.dailycomedy.com/images/jokes/b/adolf-hitler.jpg.

dbfan21
08-04-2010, 05:50 AM
I was surprised to read that he actually has 3.5 sacks --- I sure don't remember them.

That's what I was thinking. This guy better produce something this year and then be overwhelmingly happy with a veteran's minimum 3 or 4-year contract.

The Joker
08-04-2010, 06:41 AM
It'll almost be annoying if Moss gets his **** together and has a good year and finally starts to look like a good player. Then he'll walk next offseason and we'll basically have spent four years developing him into an NFL player for the benefit of another team.

EDIT: Actually, did he sign a five year deal? If so, we'd still have him for another year... either way, not getting excited about the guy until he actually does something other than suck in an actual game.

watermock
08-04-2010, 06:44 AM
Moss sucks.

The Joker
08-04-2010, 06:46 AM
You suck.

watermock
08-04-2010, 06:59 AM
You suck.

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BowlenBall
08-04-2010, 07:16 AM
The best-case scenario right now is that Moss comes on strong and has a breakout year. Then, we either trade him or let him play out his contract and let him leave in free agency, meaning we would get a 3rd-round compensation pick in return.

The worst-case scenario is that he has a breakout year, and we re-sign him to a big contract. He's already proved that he can't be trusted to work hard for his paycheck.

Fool us once, shame on you....

Garcia Bronco
08-04-2010, 07:25 AM
From an NFL perspective, Moss is a giant loser. The only thing he's got going for him is his money. Otherwise he's soft, lazy, and unable to perform the job of an NFL LB or DE. He's was a bad pick is a long list of bad d-line picks.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-04-2010, 08:14 AM
Oh, well hello 2008. Nice to see you.

Katy Perry's "I Kissed A Girl" was the number 1 song in the land, Morgan Freeman was recovering from a bad car accident, and the gulf coast was bracing for a large storm.

gtown
08-04-2010, 08:40 AM
Good to hear Moss has been packing on the pounds. At 257lbs he should be able fend off a WR or a small TE on his way to getting pushed out of the play.

Lolad
08-04-2010, 08:47 AM
this thread is full of fun.

Cito Pelon
08-04-2010, 08:59 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=82120&highlight=moss

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=82503&highlight=moss

A couple threads from last year.

Moss needed to actually dedicate himself, maybe he finally has. I've seen some pics of him this year and he's put on some muscle in his arms. He really didn't have any muscle definition in his arms that I recall til this year.

Quite a few people said way back when it would take four years for Moss to get up to NFL level. Maybe it finally will happen.

It's not like the guy has been a jerk, got DUI's, made the police reports, so I'm pulling for him.

BowlenBall
08-04-2010, 09:05 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=82120&highlight=moss

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=82503&highlight=moss

A couple threads from last year.

Moss needed to actually dedicate himself, maybe he finally has. I've seen some pics of him this year and he's put on some muscle in his arms. He really didn't have any muscle definition in his arms that I recall til this year.

Quite a few people said way back when it would take four years for Moss to get up to NFL level. Maybe it finally will happen.

It's not like the guy has been a jerk, got DUI's, made the police reports, so I'm pulling for him.

Don't get me wrong, as long as he's wearing a Broncos uniform, I'm pulling for "Kate" Moss too. Heck, I hope he has the kind of year in 2010 that Elvis had in 2009.

I just don't think he can be trusted to play hard once he gets that big second contract....

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-04-2010, 09:23 AM
Don't get me wrong, as long as he's wearing a Broncos uniform, I'm pulling for "Kate" Moss too. Heck, I hope he has the kind of year in 2010 that Elvis had in 2009.

I just don't think he can be trusted to play hard once he gets that big second contract....

Calling him Kate Moss is incorrect.

She's got more meat on her bones.

ghwk
08-04-2010, 09:32 AM
Moss= Broncos version of Jamarcus Russel

Cito Pelon
08-04-2010, 09:35 AM
Don't get me wrong, as long as he's wearing a Broncos uniform, I'm pulling for "Kate" Moss too. Heck, I hope he has the kind of year in 2010 that Elvis had in 2009.

I just don't think he can be trusted to play hard once he gets that big second contract....

Well, that doesn't matter for the next two years. Why be concerned about it?

azbroncfan
08-04-2010, 10:15 AM
Let me guess they are finally going to "turn Moss loose!" It's not his fault the coaches have been holding him back.

bronco militia
08-04-2010, 10:18 AM
Sweet....about time we got our training camp "Moss Out To Prove He's No First-Round Bust" article.

http://26.media.tumblr.com/pU1p3ehaPp0owg43RihIwoCro1_400.gif

;D

MVP-06
08-04-2010, 03:24 PM
Moss is still on the team?

cmhargrove
08-04-2010, 03:37 PM
Moss= Broncos version of Jamarcus Russel

He ain't got no Purple Drank!

Kaylore
08-04-2010, 03:42 PM
Moss= Broncos version of Jamarcus Russel

Um, no. Not even close. He's not making a ton of money, he's not the starting but has managed to make the team on his abilities, at least the last few years.

JaFatty is one of the biggest busts in the history of the NFL. He's probably never going to play for anyone again. He was the first overall pick, and had a terrible attitude and was loathed by his own locker room.

Moss was in the low teens and at least at this point still has a Job and isn't hated by anyone. He even dressed for some games and earned the right to do so (McD isn't beholden to him and he's cheap so there's no reason to cut him at this point.)

I would put guys like Maurice Clarrett, Marcus Nash or Paul Toviessi on par with Jamarcus. Even they are not sniffing the degree of fail that Russell gave to Oakland.

~Crash~
08-04-2010, 04:33 PM
Paul Toviessi had a bad knee. other wise he tried and was damn fine player that had no knee by the time he was drafted so....?

Tombstone RJ
08-04-2010, 04:38 PM
Paul Toviessi... I still say wtf?