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BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 10:02 AM
knowshon just went down with a hammy right in front of me... Doesn't look good

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 10:03 AM
he just got taken off on the cart

cmhargrove
08-01-2010, 10:03 AM
Maybe we should trade with the Eagles for Arrington?
;D

Br0nc0Buster
08-01-2010, 10:04 AM
ghey!!!!

dude never got hurt in college and turns to glass when he goes pro

WolfpackGuy
08-01-2010, 10:05 AM
Jesus, don't these guys stretch?

Well, at least it doesn't sound structural.

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 10:07 AM
tebow on the qb run!!! Nasty

SoDak Bronco
08-01-2010, 10:08 AM
awesome news~!! Fugggggggg

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 10:10 AM
From Maxblog he said it looked like his knee buckled. But since the media don't have as good of a vantage point as fans I will go by your info.

Either way it sucks ass hopefully its minor.

meangene
08-01-2010, 10:11 AM
Hopefully it is just a hammy. Sometimes if it cramps up it makes it look worse than it is. Whatever it is, we should have learned our lesson last year and not rush him back before he is completely healthy.

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 10:13 AM
idk, it didn't look good... He was/is in some pain

Sassy
08-01-2010, 10:14 AM
.Share Broncos Training Camp 2010: Knowshon Moreno Carted Off; Buckhalter Limps Off
by John Bena on Aug 1, 2010 10:13 AM MDT in 2010 Denver Broncos Training Camp 4 comments

Bad news early in Broncos camp. RB Knowshon Moreno appeared to injure his right leg and was carted off. His leg appeared to buckle a bit on a cut.

A few minutes later, Correll Buckhalter limped to the locker room as well, favoring his left leg....

Obviously we have no idea on the severity of the injury and I won't try to guess. Stay tuned...

Inkana7
08-01-2010, 10:15 AM
What the ****

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 10:16 AM
Well its useless to speculate but the cart and what you are saying making me not happy! Not happy at all.

Did Tebow lay hands on him and heal him yet?

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 10:17 AM
Alright at this point Tebow will be the starting RB by the afternoon practice.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 10:17 AM
And now the talks for Westbrook will heat up.

BMarsh615
08-01-2010, 10:18 AM
http://web10.twitpic.com/img/138927770-42e4e63be47e16b8951c9ecaa317a77b.4c55a108-full.jpg

Br0nc0Buster
08-01-2010, 10:19 AM
Buckhalter hurt to?
this is almost getting comical now

hopefully Baker and Smith came ready to work today

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 10:20 AM
I can't tell but is that an air cast or just ice?

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 10:20 AM
Alright, did he buckle on a cut or did he pull up running a straight line? If he buckled this is bad news. If he pulled up straight line then maybe he'll only miss a few weeks. This is terrible news.

NFLBRONCO
08-01-2010, 10:23 AM
ghey!!!!

dude never got hurt in college and turns to glass when he goes pro

I had this big concern about him after we drafted him. He runs too tall I don't like those types for nfl ball esp if your not super fast.

Popps
08-01-2010, 10:23 AM
Mother****er.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 10:24 AM
I read from other twitter posts that he caught a pass turned to go up field and it buckled.

Popps
08-01-2010, 10:24 AM
It's preseason, though. Lots of guys get carted off from practice and come back a couple days later.

Cross your fingers.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 10:25 AM
That sucks Nick. That isn't a hammy.

Popps
08-01-2010, 10:25 AM
I read from other twitter posts that he caught a pass turned to go up field and it buckled.

****.

Buckled is never good.

cutthemdown
08-01-2010, 10:25 AM
I'm starting to worry about Moreno. His news always seems bad.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 10:27 AM
It's preseason, though. Lots of guys get carted off from practice and come back a couple days later.

Cross your fingers.

Name two.

Guys don't get carted off the field very often Popps and I can't remember any examples of a guy returning a couple days later. This isn't soccer, when a guy gets carted off the field there is usually a pretty significant injury. Now, I will keep my fingers crossed that this is precautionary just in case he did something that could be aggravated by walking into the locker room, but Buck was able to walk/limp in shortly after... what does that tell you?

Br0nc0Buster
08-01-2010, 10:29 AM
Name two.

Guys don't get carted off the field very often Popps and I can't remember any examples of a guy returning a couple days later. This isn't soccer, when a guy gets carted off the field there is usually a pretty significant injury. Now, I will keep my fingers crossed that this is precautionary just in case he did something that could be aggravated by walking into the locker room, but Buck was able to walk/limp in shortly after... what does that tell you?

percy harvin and desean jackson
both carted off both were said to have minor injuries

also guys have been able to walk off after tearing an acl
hell one of our players once played on a torn acl

Hulamau
08-01-2010, 10:33 AM
Royally sucks!!! First thought when I woke a short while ago was please no injuries.. and before we can say 'Boo" our top two RBs are in the taining room :-(!

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 10:33 AM
percy harvin and desean jackson
both carted off both were said to have minor injuries

also guys have been able to walk off after tearing an acl
hell one of our players once played on a torn acl

Very true, so why cart Knowshon off and let Buckhalter limp to the locker room?

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 10:33 AM
yeah it buckled... But he grabbed his leg as he was falling

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 10:34 AM
an no he couldn't walk on it whatsoever

cutthemdown
08-01-2010, 10:36 AM
Broncos need a running back now for sure. Westbrook has to be signed, or some other journeyman, vet etc.

Hulamau
08-01-2010, 10:36 AM
Lets hope Toney Baker is the next TD .....

Br0nc0Buster
08-01-2010, 10:40 AM
Very true, so why cart Knowshon off and let Buckhalter limp to the locker room?

i dont know, but if there is even a chance it was something serious I think they are gonna take all precautionary measures

like the case of jackson and harvin, both looked bad at first but turned out to be minor

Denver724
08-01-2010, 10:42 AM
yeah it buckled... But he grabbed his leg as he was falling

Unbelievable. I was really looking forward to a great running game this year with Moreno. Lets hope Baker is the real deal. I worry about Buckhalter carrying the load with a FA signing.

jebures
08-01-2010, 10:47 AM
Marshawn Lynch will be our RB if knowshon's is serious. We can't rely on a bunch of camp fodder to be our RB

Unbelievable. I was really looking forward to a great running game this year with Moreno. Lets hope Baker is the real deal. I worry about Buckhalter carrying the load with a FA signing.

RonDaChamp24
08-01-2010, 10:47 AM
REALLY hoping Knowshon and Buckhalter's injuries aren't serious. Bucky sounds like a pulled hammy. Knowshon to me, seems like a torn ACL. I'm hoping it's something less serious like a sprained knee or a sprained MCL or something. Anything but a torn ACL really... I feel like that would really hurt our season. I think he's poised for a breakout year.

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 10:48 AM
Unbelievable. I was really looking forward to a great running game this year with Moreno. Lets hope Baker is the real deal. I worry about Buckhalter carrying the load with a FA signing.

Buckhalter is as brittle as a pretzel....if you rely on him too much, he will get hurt.

He needs to remain a 12-16 touch a game kind of back....or he will be on the sideline.

broncosteven
08-01-2010, 10:50 AM
I didn't realize that Knowshon was so fragile, Buck I expect to be in and out of the lineup.

At least we get to see what kind of backups we have at RB, until Knowshon comes back.

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 10:50 AM
I bet he tore his Achilles. I pray I'm wrong, but that's what it sounds like.

Blueflame
08-01-2010, 10:52 AM
percy harvin and desean jackson
both carted off both were said to have minor injuries

also guys have been able to walk off after tearing an acl
hell one of our players once played on a torn acl

Olandis Gary finished a season-opener against the Rams with both ACL's torn, as I recall... September 4, 2000. And TD also went out with an injury (not sure it wasn't an ACL too)... fortunately Mike Anderson surprised everyone and had a fantastic year (nearly 1500 rushing yards).

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 10:52 AM
i bet he tore his achilles. I pray i'm wrong, but that's what it sounds like.

you shut your mouth

jebures
08-01-2010, 10:53 AM
I bet he tore his Achilles. I pray I'm wrong, but that's what it sounds like.

with the knee buckling its could possible be a torn meniscus, acl, pcl. hopefully it is just a sprain of one and not a tear. Worst case scenario would be the terrible triad (tear of acl, mcl, and medial meniscus)

Rabb
08-01-2010, 10:53 AM
****!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

RonDaChamp24
08-01-2010, 10:54 AM
I bet he tore his Achilles. I pray I'm wrong, but that's what it sounds like.

His knee buckling on a cut sounds more to me like a torn acl, nothing to do with his achilles. Hoping I'm wrong too. Hope it's nothing very serious, like a knee sprain, or an MCL sprain, something like that. At least something like that will only take 4-6 weeks to heal as opposed to being out for the year. Hope the cart was just precautionary.

Rabb
08-01-2010, 11:00 AM
well at least people sick of Tebow news get to hear about how McD screwed up in taking KM now

Soul-Bronco
08-01-2010, 11:02 AM
well at least people sick of Tebow news get to hear about how McD screwed up in taking KM now

Yea because Mc poopy pants should have been able to predict and see into the future that knowshon would get hurt

Rabb
08-01-2010, 11:04 AM
Yea because Mc poopy pants should have been able to predict and see into the future that knowshon would get hurt

it's not my opinion, I am just saying...watch it come up

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 11:06 AM
I bet he tore his Achilles. I pray I'm wrong, but that's what it sounds like.

No way it's his Achilles, I'm guessing it's a Jones Fracture of the 5th Metatarsal compounded by a somewhat leaky mangina... but I get your point. ;D

Tombstone RJ
08-01-2010, 11:12 AM
bad news for knowshon either way... bummer....

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 11:19 AM
Even if it is a MCL, that is what kept him out for a long while last year and made him look average upon his return. This sucks. Don't want any part of Marshawn either, but they may have to start looking his way. I wonder who else is up for trade in the NFL that could come in and help. Rumor is that one of the two superb Carolina backs could be had. I'd welcome either one in Denver if Knowshon is seriously injured. My preference would be Jonathon Stewart though... but hey, if they want to send a pick (perhaps a 2nd) for DeAngelo Williams, but all means...

Hulamau
08-01-2010, 11:20 AM
Wasn't it his right knee last year as well??? Not good at all ...

tnedator
08-01-2010, 11:25 AM
Not the start we were looking for. Hopefully, it turns out to be nothing and just felt worse than it was.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 11:29 AM
Not the start we were looking for. Hopefully, it turns out to be nothing and just felt worse than it was.

This is what I'm hoping for as well. Two of our RBs injured on the same exact drill... wtf???

ZachKC
08-01-2010, 11:29 AM
Wild Jesus formation all season long.

bpc
08-01-2010, 11:36 AM
I've been saying Knowshon was an injury risk waiting to happen. It's unfortunate that I was right last preseason, and more of the same on the first day of camp.

Not surprised Buck got hurt. Dude is old and brittle.

McD better get dialing some people on the phone. I'd seriously consider Marshawn Lynch. He's an identical player to Knowshon. Westbrook should now be considered if this is serious.

Goobzilla
08-01-2010, 11:36 AM
Everyone's "favorite" reporter's tweet:

http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/statuses/20071975715

Moreno ws not happy threw off his gloves. He was helped by trainers bouncing on left leg ws putng any weight on rht leg

ZachKC
08-01-2010, 11:38 AM
Everyone's "favorite" reporter's tweet:

http://twitter.com/JosinaAnderson/statuses/20071975715

Moreno ws not happy threw off his gloves. He was helped by trainers bouncing on left leg ws putng any weight on rht leg

Way to keep it under 140

SoCalBronco
08-01-2010, 11:39 AM
****.....I hope this is only a couple of weeks type of deal. If its serious, it will pretty much torpedo the offense.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 11:41 AM
****.....I hope this is only a couple of weeks type of deal. If its serious, it will pretty much torpedo the offense.

True, but it may force the Broncos into dealing for another talented RB to come in and be the bell cow. The Broncos have to know that they can't count on Buck to be that guy.

Would you be willing to throw a high pick to the Panthers for Williams or Stewart?

What about a pick to the Bills for Lynch or better yet Jackson?

snowspot66
08-01-2010, 11:43 AM
One ****ing year without injuries to our RB's would sure be nice.

Rabb
08-01-2010, 11:43 AM
True, but it may force the Broncos into dealing for another talented RB to come in and be the bell cow. The Broncos have to know that they can't count on Buck to be that guy.

Would you be willing to throw a high pick to the Panthers for Williams or Stewart?

What about a pick to the Bills for Lynch or better yet Jackson?

all day long

Beast Mode though, no thanks

SoCalBronco
08-01-2010, 11:43 AM
True, but it may force the Broncos into dealing for another talented RB to come in and be the bell cow. The Broncos have to know that they can't count on Buck to be that guy.

Would you be willing to throw a high pick to the Panthers for Williams or Stewart?

What about a pick to the Bills for Lynch or better yet Jackson?

No high picks for anymore backs. That's it. Just sign Westbrook and if we have to manage with crap, that's fine. It's bad enough that we piss away high picks in trades on draft day all the time now, we're not going to do it now, too. They just have to deal with it....even if results in 6-10.

gunns
08-01-2010, 11:44 AM
Even if it is a MCL, that is what kept him out for a long while last year and made him look average upon his return. This sucks. Don't want any part of Marshawn either, but they may have to start looking his way. I wonder who else is up for trade in the NFL that could come in and help. Rumor is that one of the two superb Carolina backs could be had. I'd welcome either one in Denver if Knowshon is seriously injured. My preference would be Jonathon Stewart though... but hey, if they want to send a pick (perhaps a 2nd) for DeAngelo Williams, but all means...

I would love Stewart but I doubt Panthers would part with him, Williams would be the more logical on their part and would prefer him or Lynch over Westbrook, but with Buckhalter being a constant injury threat, why not have the same at backup, with a little more upside as far as talent.

meangene
08-01-2010, 11:44 AM
True, but it may force the Broncos into dealing for another talented RB to come in and be the bell cow. The Broncos have to know that they can't count on Buck to be that guy.

Would you be willing to throw a high pick to the Panthers for Williams or Stewart?

What about a pick to the Bills for Lynch or better yet Jackson?

Or to Dallas for Choice?

Irish Stout
08-01-2010, 11:45 AM
Just back from camp - the Moreno fall was weird, looked like his knee gave out on him, but when he was laying on ground and when he was limping/standing with a trainer, waiting for cart he was grabbing his hamstring.

I was actually amazed at how short the stretching session was and how quickly they got into full contact drills... though Moreno's injury was off absolutely no contact, just a play where he was trying to keep his feet in bounds and hall in a pass.

Rabb
08-01-2010, 11:47 AM
Thanks Irish, I guess that is sort of encouraging...man this sucks

snowspot66
08-01-2010, 11:48 AM
Thanks Irish, I guess that is sort of encouraging...man this sucks

Strange how something like a blown knee can actually hurt less.

I'm kind of encouraged by him being carted off and not putting weight on it. You see a lot of blown knees where guys hobble off the field.

Pull or tear a hamstring and it takes the cart.

BlaK-Argentina
08-01-2010, 11:48 AM
You've got to be ****ing kidding me. I logged in to finally get some football news and this is it?? Mother****er!

Taco John
08-01-2010, 11:48 AM
This is an irritating way to start a season...

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 11:49 AM
yeah like irish said, his leg/knee buckled, but when he went down he grabbed his hammy... it was just a weird thing altogether...

SoCalBronco
08-01-2010, 11:50 AM
Please be only a hamstring pull.......:pray:

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 11:51 AM
Or to Dallas for Choice?

I would love to have Choice but the Cowboys love him. They would rather move Barber of all their backs. He could be a decent fit.

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 11:51 AM
http://twitter.com/JasonLaCanfora/statuses/20076862461

Coach McDaniels tells reporters no timetable on Moreno injury. I'm told minor hamstring pull for Buckhalter that shouldn't put him out long

snowspot66
08-01-2010, 11:52 AM
When Hillis destroyed his hamstring there was a shot at him coming back in 4 to 6 weeks.

There's no way Moreno could do any more damage to it than Hillis did. He would miss all of camp but at least we'd have him for the season.

bpc
08-01-2010, 11:53 AM
If the offense bombs and we suck this year, could be seeing Tebow hand off to Ingram in the future. ha ha. That would be hilarious.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-01-2010, 11:55 AM
If the offense bombs and we suck this year, could be seeing Tebow hand off to Ingram in the future. ha ha. That would be hilarious.

OK, so Moreno goes down with an unknown injury, and now the entire Broncos season is lost! OK cool, less to do this fall now that I know this info

Rabb
08-01-2010, 11:57 AM
Mock is either busy right now or so excited about posting here that he can't actually post

either way, stand by

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 11:57 AM
All I know is Tebow needs to get in that lockerroom and work on healing knowshon

Popps
08-01-2010, 11:57 AM
This is an irritating way to start a season...

Yea, let's hope it's a sprain.

Baker really shows some skills... but tough to pin too high of hopes on a guy that slid that far.

Westbrook would be a must, though he's likely as injury prone as Buck, at this stage.

We need a young guy to step up... but let's hope Knowshon can bounce back.
Too early to panic just yet.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 11:57 AM
I think this is the guy we should go after... regardless of the length of time Moreno is out.

http://www.nfl.com/players/fredjackson/profile?id=JAC173789

The Bills would be happy to trade one of Jackson or Lynch. They would probably prefer to trade Lynch but I don't really like that dude's style. He is a more athletic Moreno though but not nearly the character of Moreno. Jackson has the goods.

Popps
08-01-2010, 11:58 AM
Mock is either busy right now or so excited about posting here that he can't actually post

either way, stand by

:rofl:

Br0nc0Buster
08-01-2010, 11:59 AM
Vic Lambardi said it didnt look too serious

BroncoSojia
08-01-2010, 12:01 PM
Update:

http://twitter.com/VicLombardi

The Moreno injury I'm told is a possible ACL...possible. Not confirmed. Buckhalter is a minor hamstring.

Moreno and the Broncos awaiting MRI results. You never know with ACL. That would be a huge loss if it is indeed torn. Hope to keep updating.

thecool
08-01-2010, 12:01 PM
I think this is the guy we should go after... regardless of the length of time Moreno is out.

http://www.nfl.com/players/fredjackson/profile?id=JAC173789

The Bills would be happy to trade one of Jackson or Lynch. They would probably prefer to trade Lynch but I don't really like that dude's style. He is a more athletic Moreno though but not nearly the character of Moreno. Jackson has the goods.

Considering that our RB coach is the ex-Bills RB coach... that doesn't sound too far out of line if the staff is entertaining the idea of adding a RB via trade.

Los Broncos
08-01-2010, 12:01 PM
Dam not good news to wake up to was hoping for something more positive.

SoCalBronco
08-01-2010, 12:01 PM
Vic Lambardi said it didnt look too serious

I really hope that's true because I'm in a really terrible mood right now. Moreno IS the stud buffalo. This team ABSOLUTELY needs a strong running game with its QB issues and its green WR's. We need Moreno to pound out 1200 on the ground and 400 through the passing game. They absolutely cannot afford any kind of serious injury to Moreno.

It better not be serious.

Beantown Bronco
08-01-2010, 12:04 PM
A few minutes later, Correll Buckhalter limped to the locker room as well, favoring his left leg....



What's the over/under on the number of times we hear this over the course of the next year?

TheChamp24
08-01-2010, 12:05 PM
http://www.paduiblog.com/uploads/image/Harrisburg%20DUI%20Lawyer%20autodiluter%20issues.j pg

OBF1
08-01-2010, 12:09 PM
To anyone that was there today... When Knowshon went down, was he grabbing his knee or his hammy? This is huge because it will tell us what went pop.

anyone ???

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 12:11 PM
Vic Lambardi said it didnt look too serious

He then twitted that it could be an ACL and the team is awaiting the MRI results. Bad feeling about this one.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 12:12 PM
To anyone that was there today... When Knowshon went down, was he grabbing his knee or his hammy? This is huge because it will tell us what went pop.

anyone ???

They already said he was grabbing his hammy, but the MRI is on his knee and feared an ACL.

Inkana7
08-01-2010, 12:13 PM
"An NFL source tells Mike Klis that Moreno suffered a hamstring injury"

Per DP tweet.

OBF1
08-01-2010, 12:14 PM
Latest on NFL.com

Moreno was carted off the field after hurting his right leg Sunday, and Buckhalter injured his left leg just minutes later.

About an hour into the workout, Moreno caught a pass in 7-on-7 drills and turned upfield when his leg buckled. He grimaced as he hopped into the team's headquarters for tests.

Buckhalter hurt his leg about 10 minutes later during the same drill and limped off on his own. A league source told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora that Buckhalter suffered a mild hamstring pull, and that the injury is not expected to keep him out too long.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels told reporters after practice that there was no timetable for RB Knowshon Moreno's recovery

Br0nc0Buster
08-01-2010, 12:14 PM
"An NFL source tells Mike Klis that Moreno suffered a hamstring injury"

Per DP tweet.

please please be the case

:tebow:

thecool
08-01-2010, 12:16 PM
Adam_Schefter

Matthew Stafford texted former Georgia teammate Knowshon Moreno about his injury but hasn't heard back. Said Moreno is tough as they come.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 12:17 PM
I read that he suffered a paper cut between his left pinky and ring finger. It was aggravated when he caught the ball. To not look like a total anti-tebow aka wuss he feigned a hammy/acl/Achilles.


Ok not really but it will be a while before we know

bpc
08-01-2010, 12:20 PM
OK, so Moreno goes down with an unknown injury, and now the entire Broncos season is lost! OK cool, less to do this fall now that I know this info

Moreno, based on expectation, was to assume the mantle of major playmaker at HB for us this year. This after we traded a two or three time 100 catch WR who basically made our offense go. Combine this with the fact that we're extremely shallow at proven talent within the HB position and our all-pro LT could miss part of the season or be less than 100%, these potential injuries hurt extremely bad. Not the right foot to get the season started off with, that's for sure.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-01-2010, 12:21 PM
Adam_Schefter

Matthew Stafford texted former Georgia teammate Knowshon Moreno about his injury but hasn't heard back. Said Moreno is tough as they come.

haha i love how that is considered news. even if just a tweet. thanks adam.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-01-2010, 12:21 PM
Moreno, based on expectation, was to assume the mantle of major playmaker at HB for us this year. This after we traded a two or three time 100 catch WR who basically made our offense go. Combine this with the fact that we're extremely shallow at proven talent within the HB position and our all-pro LT could miss part of the season or be less than 100%, these potential injuries hurt extremely bad. Not the right foot to get the season started off with, that's for sure.

Well, duh, its not good news but i dont think losing a running back is ever the be all end all.

BMarsh615
08-01-2010, 12:26 PM
An NFL source tells Mike Klis that Moreno suffered a hamstring injury.

Moreno's hamstring injury appears "serious," per NFL source. Not great news, but at least not a knee.

https://twitter.com/PostBroncos

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 12:27 PM
PostBroncos (http://twitter.com/PostBroncos)
Moreno's hamstring injury appears "serious," per NFL source. Not great news, but at least not a knee.

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 12:28 PM
To anyone that was there today... When Knowshon went down, was he grabbing his knee or his hammy? This is huge because it will tell us what went pop.

anyone ???

Yeah, I saw it, he grabbed his hammy

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 12:28 PM
Well hopefully the MRI shows that its a minor serious injury.....

HAT
08-01-2010, 12:29 PM
Mock is either busy right now or so excited about posting here that he can't actually post

either way, stand by

McBeavis is paying the piper

maybe fonsie can play RB...Or Quinn

My ceiling fan is shiny

4-14 vs. a soft scedule

Hogan11
08-01-2010, 12:30 PM
PostBroncos (http://twitter.com/PostBroncos)
Moreno's hamstring injury appears "serious," per NFL source. Not great news, but at least not a knee.

****

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 12:31 PM
McBeavis buy a vowel

should have drafted Ed Reed

Pants on the floor

Look at that.....

Los Broncos
08-01-2010, 12:32 PM
McBeavis buy a vowel

should have drafted Ed Reed

Pants on the floor

Look at that.....

STFU! he is a midget...

SoCalBronco
08-01-2010, 12:33 PM
How long are serious hammy injuries? 6 weeks?

BMarsh615
08-01-2010, 12:35 PM
How long are serious hammy injuries? 6 weeks?

From a google search

http://www.uihealthcare.com/topics/sportsmedicine/spor3336.html

There are 3 degrees of strains:

1. A slight strain or pull results in a sore muscle the next day. Walking or slow jogging is not inhibited and recovery time is 1 to 2 weeks.
2. A hard strain or pull occurs while exercising, as in sprinting. The exercise must be stopped right away. The muscle is tender and aches, and bruises may develop 3 to 6 days later. Bending the knee, walking, and jogging are difficult and recovery takes 3 to 4 weeks.
3. The most serious hamstring strain produces such severe pain that the person may collapse. Walking is impossible. Severe bruising occurs in 3 to 4 days. Crutches may be needed for a week or two and recovery can take as much as 10 weeks. Seek medical care for severe strains.

Rabb
08-01-2010, 12:37 PM
the problem with hammy injuries is that they are historically a nagging thing, please God if that's it don't rush him back again

jebures
08-01-2010, 12:38 PM
if it is a tear he is done for the year

From a google search

http://www.uihealthcare.com/topics/sportsmedicine/spor3336.html

There are 3 degrees of strains:

1. A slight strain or pull results in a sore muscle the next day. Walking or slow jogging is not inhibited and recovery time is 1 to 2 weeks.
2. A hard strain or pull occurs while exercising, as in sprinting. The exercise must be stopped right away. The muscle is tender and aches, and bruises may develop 3 to 6 days later. Bending the knee, walking, and jogging are difficult and recovery takes 3 to 4 weeks.
3. The most serious hamstring strain produces such severe pain that the person may collapse. Walking is impossible. Severe bruising occurs in 3 to 4 days. Crutches may be needed for a week or two and recovery can take as much as 10 weeks. Seek medical care for severe strains.

Hogan11
08-01-2010, 12:41 PM
McBeavis buy a vowel

should have drafted Ed Reed

Pants on the floor

Look at that.....

Bounce your ball my way and I'll kick it back into your face

They should've signed Justin Fargas

McDimwit.

Popps
08-01-2010, 12:44 PM
****

Hamstrings might even be worse than a knee.

A guy thinks he's healed... steps out on the field and it's back.

Remember Champ's last hammy?

Ugh.

Sassy
08-01-2010, 12:45 PM
From a google search

http://www.uihealthcare.com/topics/sportsmedicine/spor3336.html

There are 3 degrees of strains:

1. A slight strain or pull results in a sore muscle the next day. Walking or slow jogging is not inhibited and recovery time is 1 to 2 weeks.
2. A hard strain or pull occurs while exercising, as in sprinting. The exercise must be stopped right away. The muscle is tender and aches, and bruises may develop 3 to 6 days later. Bending the knee, walking, and jogging are difficult and recovery takes 3 to 4 weeks.
3. The most serious hamstring strain produces such severe pain that the person may collapse. Walking is impossible. Severe bruising occurs in 3 to 4 days. Crutches may be needed for a week or two and recovery can take as much as 10 weeks. Seek medical care for severe strains.

Well, on the positive...it's not a knee...and out for the season.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 12:46 PM
Sorry guys, I don't think it's a hammy... we should plan on being without Moreno for the year. :(

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 12:48 PM
I think its a hammy, but a very severe one

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 12:49 PM
If not a complete exhale, the Broncos may have at least stopped holding their collective breath. The early indication is starting running Knowshon Moreno suffered a right hamstring injury, according to an NFL source.
While hamstring injuries can vary in severity _ and Moreno no doubt popped his pretty good _ muscles typically heal quicker than ripped up knee ligaments.
Moreno suffered his right leg injury after catching a screen pass and fell in pain after making a cut. He had to be carted off the field and assisted into the locker room.
A few minutes later, backup running back Correll Buckhalter also walked off the field, under his own power, with what has been diagnosed with an upper-back pull, according to an NFL source.


http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/08/01/moreno-to-have-suffered-hamstring-injury/4053/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_content=Twitter

JLesSPE
08-01-2010, 12:52 PM
PostBroncos

NFL source to Mike Klis: Fear is a torn hamstring for Moreno.

Hogan11
08-01-2010, 12:53 PM
If not a complete exhale, the Broncos may have at least stopped holding their collective breath. The early indication is starting running Knowshon Moreno suffered a right hamstring injury, according to an NFL source.
While hamstring injuries can vary in severity _ and Moreno no doubt popped his pretty good _ muscles typically heal quicker than ripped up knee ligaments.
Moreno suffered his right leg injury after catching a screen pass and fell in pain after making a cut. He had to be carted off the field and assisted into the locker room.
A few minutes later, backup running back Correll Buckhalter also walked off the field, under his own power, with what has been diagnosed with an upper-back pull, according to an NFL source.


http://blogs.denverpost.com/broncos/2010/08/01/moreno-to-have-suffered-hamstring-injury/4053/?utm_source=twitter.com&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=twitter&utm_content=Twitter

Sure....deal Arrington and the RB core starts dropping like it's 2008 :(

Los Broncos
08-01-2010, 12:53 PM
On the first day of camp, unbelievable.

Hopefully no other injuries will occur.

BMarsh615
08-01-2010, 12:58 PM
A hammy tear could keep him out anywhere between 1-3 months. In extreme cases, could cost him the season.

https://twitter.com/VicLombardi

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 01:03 PM
I would be happy if he missed 4-6 weeks at this point and was questionable for the regular season opener.

Requiem
08-01-2010, 01:04 PM
LaCanfora has stated it's the hamstring, and they are doing an MRI to gauge the severity. If it is torn we are in deep trouble. Not good news you wanna wake up to.

Hamrob
08-01-2010, 01:07 PM
Moreno = glass house

Makes me think of guys like Marcus Nash, Javis Moss, Mike Croel etc.

What a waste of a high #1.

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 01:10 PM
Torn hammy > Torn knee. I know its severe but even at eight weeks recovery You're looking at him back for three fourths to half the season. Try and stay positive.

El Guapo
08-01-2010, 01:12 PM
Well its useless to speculate but the cart and what you are saying making me not happy! Not happy at all.

Did Tebow lay hands on him and heal him yet?

Quit the freaking blasphemous tebow "jokes." it definitely doesn't help our cause.

NFLBRONCO
08-01-2010, 01:13 PM
Can I have 12th pick back from 09 draft.

Hamrob
08-01-2010, 01:14 PM
Ladell Betts? Wynn?

FREE AGENT RB's:

http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=RB&y=2010

Hamrob
08-01-2010, 01:15 PM
Even if Moreno does come back half way through the season...will he be worth a crap. We all saw how limited he was last year. The hope was that he would have improved his quickness and his speed. Now, with recovery ahead of him. What's really to be expected?

Requiem
08-01-2010, 01:15 PM
Well, six weeks until Jacksonville. . .

Conklin
08-01-2010, 01:16 PM
Ladell Betts? Wynn?

FREE AGENT RB's:

http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=RB&y=2010

you can say that again

i4jelway7
08-01-2010, 01:25 PM
buckhalter hospitalized w/ back pain and numbness

http://bit.ly/cjuz5w

Rabb
08-01-2010, 01:26 PM
I really couldn't have envisioned a worse start to training camp

oh well, we have to forge ahead...no sense in dwelling no matter what the result is

24champ
08-01-2010, 01:28 PM
I hear Ryan Torain is available...

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 01:30 PM
If Knowshon is going to be out for an extended period of time, I would have no problem trading a decent draft pick to get a good back in camp.

Buckhalter is brittle and needs to be a 12-16 touch a game back....at most.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 01:32 PM
Quit the freaking blasphemous tebow "jokes." it definitely doesn't help our cause.


http://cdn1.knowyourmeme.com/i/9985/original/internet-serious-business.jpg?1250726833



And no I won't stop, sorry bro!

Homer Simpson
08-01-2010, 01:33 PM
Westbrook?

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 01:33 PM
buckhalter hospitalized w/ back pain and numbness

http://bit.ly/cjuz5w

But the good news is the update at the very bottom says he was released and its just a pull.

bpc
08-01-2010, 01:36 PM
If Knowshon is going to be out for an extended period of time, I would have no problem trading a decent draft pick to get a good back in camp.

Buckhalter is brittle and needs to be a 12-16 touch a game back....at most.

YUP. Completely right. At this point and time, i'm calling up the Buffalo Bills and seeing if they'll part with Marshawn for a 3rd rounder. I think Marshawn has the same game as Knowshon, probably better. At least he's proven he can stay healthy in the league. He's an idiot, and there's the downside. Still, give him a new change, a fresh start and see what becomes of this. The reality is unless we find an option at HB this year in some way, shape or form, we'll be looking doing the same thing we did when we drafted Knowshon... spending a really high draft pick on an unproven back from college, and handing them millions of dollars in the process.

24champ
08-01-2010, 01:36 PM
So who is taking the snaps?

Here's the running backs listed on the roster...

Lance Ball
Bruce Hall
Toney Baker
Kolby Smith


???

maher_tyler
08-01-2010, 01:36 PM
idk, it didn't look good... He was/is in some pain

Cramps hurt like a MOFO if you've ever had one..if it is a cramp, they need to tell these guys to stay hydrated with both water and electrolytes!!

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 01:37 PM
Cramps hurt like a MOFO if you've ever had one..if it is a cramp, they need to tell these guys to stay hydrated with both water and electrolytes!!

Um its not a cramp.

bpc
08-01-2010, 01:39 PM
Moreno = glass house

Makes me think of guys like Marcus Nash, Javis Moss, Mike Croel etc.

What a waste of a high #1.

A few of us called this the moment his named was announced. I didn't like drafting a slow back who lacked supremacy in any part of his game, 12th overall. He also showed the ability to get dinged up easily.

Water under the bridge now, and here we are.

BroncoSojia
08-01-2010, 01:39 PM
So if his hammy is torn, what's the estimated time that he would be out?

bpc
08-01-2010, 01:40 PM
So who is taking the snaps?

Here's the running backs listed on the roster...

Lance Ball
Bruce Hall
Toney Baker
Kolby Smith


???

Wow. I don't think i've seen less talent at a position in the NFL in a LONG TIME. That's pretty sad.

Get the bills on the horn, ASAP.

Shoemaker
08-01-2010, 01:41 PM
So if his hammy is torn, what's the estimated time that he would be out?

Tough to say. It depends upon the severity of the tear.

Best case scenario is probably 6 weeks or so, but it could be as long as 3 months.

If its REALLY severe, he could miss the whole season.

But, we don't technically know its torn yet, so I'm hoping for the best.

Requiem
08-01-2010, 01:42 PM
So if his hammy is torn, what's the estimated time that he would be out?

Zero weeks. We have a miracle worker and healer on our squad, you may have heard of him -- Tim Tebow, aka Football Jesus. He is working on him as we speak.

They are saying anywhere from 1-3 months, perhaps the whole season depending on severity. If it's not as severe, look at about 6 weeks.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 01:43 PM
Zero weeks. We have a miracle worker and healer on our squad, you may have heard of him -- Tim Tebow, aka Football Jesus. He is working on him as we speak.

They are saying anywhere from 1-3 months, perhaps the whole season depending on severity. If it's not as severe, look at about 6 weeks.

Thats blasphemous! Apparently it will make the Broncos worse or something if you keep this up!

Requiem
08-01-2010, 01:46 PM
He also showed the ability to get dinged up easily.

. . . and how many games did Moreno miss in college?

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 01:51 PM
. . . and how many games did Moreno miss in college?

The answer is none. :-)

hookemhess
08-01-2010, 01:55 PM
Everything I'm reading on Twitter says torn hammy.

Chris
08-01-2010, 01:58 PM
I had this big concern about him after we drafted him. He runs too tall I don't like those types for nfl ball esp if your not super fast.

Like Eric Dickerson and that guy Terrell Davis?

oubronco
08-01-2010, 01:58 PM
Here we go with the annual Hamstring and Groin BS

bpc
08-01-2010, 02:07 PM
. . . and how many games did Moreno miss in college?

Credit to him, he played with those dings. I've never questioned his heart or toughness. Those are his traits I admire and like the most.

Unfortunately dings in college + slow 40 times for an upright runner pretty much equals disaster in the NFL. A very select few can get by with those traits.

You can argue a lot but I pointed to this well before we drafted him... he was going to be an injury risk on the next level and he's been every bit of that. He missed something like 4-6 weeks last year when camp started from a knee injury, played dinged up all season, and now this.

Color me NOT surprised.

Sucks for us as a team. The list of backups we have right now is pitiful. Shame on McD for this.

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 02:11 PM
I'll say it:

In this new circumstance, sure would be nice to have an arm like Cutler to keep the 8th and 9th man out of the box...

bpc
08-01-2010, 02:13 PM
Like Eric Dickerson and that guy Terrell Davis?

Nope. Eric Dickerson and TD had different running traits. Personally, I wouldn't call TD a high runner at all, he could sink his hips and explode into his cuts with the best of them. Upon contact he always had a ferocious lean to his style of play. He displayed a rare ability to separate from defenders in his sophomore + seasons in the NFL.

Eric Dickerson was unofficially clocked at a 4.3 so while he ran high, you couldn't catch him to pull him down from behind.

Knowshon plays like a 4.6/7 back on the field. He has his share of quickness but he runs too high, too slow to be successful in the NFL. At least that's what he's shown through his rookie season. It could change but it's tough to gain speed moving forward if he didn't already at a place like UGA.

WolfpackGuy
08-01-2010, 02:15 PM
I'll say it:

In this new circumstance, sure would be nice to have an arm like Cutler to keep the 8th and 9th man out of the box...

Here come the Cherubs of the Broncos current QB's...

LOL

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 02:16 PM
What they SHOULD do:

1. If it's severe, rehab him and keep him away from the practice field till reg season, give him a ****ing game day shot in the leg and again at halftime and repeat all season.

2. If not, the Tebow era needs to start NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOW

Dr. Broncenstein
08-01-2010, 02:16 PM
I'll say it:

In this new circumstance, sure would be nice to have an arm like Cutler to keep the 8th and 9th man out of the box...

Heretic...

GoBroncos DownUnder
08-01-2010, 02:18 PM
Ladell Betts? Wynn?

FREE AGENT RB's:

http://www.kffl.com/static/nfl/features/freeagents/fa.php?option=RB&y=2010
JUSTIN FARGAS!
Poor sucker busted his ass in Oakland for long enough, and IMO was often the BEST RB on their roster!

What do we have to lose!:wiggle:

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 02:18 PM
Here come the Cherubs of the Broncos current QB's...

LOL

Uh, no, not really.

Orton doesn't create 7 in the box plays, that's just the reality and no big deal.

...BUT if you compound that with a potential lack of Knowshon AND Buckhalter, leaving unproven rookies at RB (with prot scheme issues), unproven rookies on the interior OL, unproven rookies on the outside at WR, and potentially missing Clady for a game or so, then yeah, we need a ****ing gimmick to make some space to make a play.

Get ****ed for trying to start **** that doesn't exist though so you ignorant ******.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 02:19 PM
I'll say it:

In this new circumstance, sure would be nice to have an arm like Cutler to keep the 8th and 9th man out of the box...

Yeah but how is throwing interceptions going to help?

wolf754life
08-01-2010, 02:24 PM
wow, its a setback no doubt, but kolby smith is no punk, we may have someone new to add to the mix, moreno will probably miss the first two weeks, this team wasn't winning anything big this year anyways....

too young on offense, with clady and moreno dinged now there is no hope for us this year. Orton can play the first eight weeks, then its tebow time, high draft pick next year.

just keep your expectations in check, no need for a meltdown.

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 02:24 PM
Yeah but how is throwing interceptions going to help?

I said "arm like" not "head like" :P

Br0nc0Buster
08-01-2010, 02:24 PM
oh I saw on another board where someone "close to Moreno" said it was not a tear

please be true

:tebow:

WolfpackGuy
08-01-2010, 02:24 PM
Uh, no, not really.

Orton doesn't create 7 in the box plays, that's just the reality and no big deal.

...BUT if you compound that with a potential lack of Knowshon AND Buckhalter, leaving unproven rookies at RB (with prot scheme issues), unproven rookies on the interior OL, unproven rookies on the outside at WR, and potentially missing Clady for a game or so, then yeah, we need a ****ing gimmick to make some space to make a play.

Get ****ed for trying to start **** that doesn't exist though so you ignorant ******.

I probably should've said "Look out for the cherubs..."

Sorry for the confusion.

But yeah, the situation is grim.

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 02:24 PM
^ wow that pink smiley is gay and a half

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 02:26 PM
oh I saw on another board where someone "close to Moreno" said it was not a tear

please be true

:tebow:

Either way, just sit him and be safe, imo.

He handled protection very well last season so he has that down. Let him take some mental reps, and shoot him up on gameday and if he starts playing tentative like last year, hit him with a cattle prod.

oubronco
08-01-2010, 02:28 PM
Hopefully it's not a tear but DAMN don't these guys know how to stretch

Ray Finkle
08-01-2010, 02:28 PM
Either way, just sit him and be safe, imo.

He handled protection very well last season so he has that down. Let him take some mental reps, and shoot him up on gameday and if he starts playing tentative like last year, hit him with a cattle prod.

tears heal quicker than sprains/strains....

OBF1
08-01-2010, 02:29 PM
tears heal quicker than sprains/strains....

Correct me if I am wrong, But a sprain is a tear ???

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 02:33 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, But a sprain is a tear ???

You're right... they're both tears, a strain is tearing of muscle fiber. sprain is ligaments...

Dr. Broncenstein
08-01-2010, 02:35 PM
Maybe we can trade for JJ Arrington.

jebures
08-01-2010, 02:35 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, But a sprain is a tear ???

sprains are usually to ligaments, strain is usually to a muscle, depending on whether this is tear on the ligamentous portion of the hamstring or the muscle belly itself. Sprains and strains are basically microtears and elongation of tissue, whereas a full-blown tear could a larger portion of the muscle and would require surgical repair. a tear is wayyyyy worse than a strain.

Beantown Bronco
08-01-2010, 02:37 PM
Wow. I don't think i've seen less talent at a position in the NFL in a LONG TIME. That's pretty sad.

Get the bills on the horn, ASAP.

Then you don't watch much football.

Detroit Lions entire roster minus WR and MAYBE QB last year.
Oakland QBs last year.
Half the Chefs team for the last few years and the Bucs last year.

I could go on.

Requiem
08-01-2010, 02:40 PM
According to Mark Schlereth, the rumors of former UGA and current Denver Bronco running back Knowshon Moreno tearing his hamstring are false Justin Slaton, Twitter (http://twitter.com/JSlaton13)

Other tweet someone was referencing from another board:
Brandon Krisztal of BKdenversports just tweeted "I just talked to a source close to Knowshon Moreno who said the #Broncos running back did not tear his hamstring."


Cross your fingers and toes.

RhymesayersDU
08-01-2010, 02:44 PM
If he's out for any extended period of time, I'd vote trading for Marshawn before signing a guy like Westbrook.

Although I don't know that Marshawn would fit in with his issues. Legal, etc.

misturanderson
08-01-2010, 02:45 PM
Justin Slaton, Twitter (http://twitter.com/JSlaton13)

Other tweet someone was referencing from another board:


Cross your fingers and toes.

Does that mean that it is his hamstring, but it isn't a tear or does it mean that it isn't his hamstring?

JCMElway
08-01-2010, 02:45 PM
YUP. Completely right. At this point and time, i'm calling up the Buffalo Bills and seeing if they'll part with Marshawn for a 3rd rounder. I think Marshawn has the same game as Knowshon, probably better. At least he's proven he can stay healthy in the league. He's an idiot, and there's the downside. Still, give him a new change, a fresh start and see what becomes of this. The reality is unless we find an option at HB this year in some way, shape or form, we'll be looking doing the same thing we did when we drafted Knowshon... spending a really high draft pick on an unproven back from college, and handing them millions of dollars in the process.

I would trade a 5th rounder for Marshawn, maybe a 4th if times were desperate.

go_broncos
08-01-2010, 02:45 PM
Mcd should not have take a RB in the early first round.
Moreno looks soft to me.
He will never play the complete season in his career.
Regarding Buck, i have no confidence in him that he will be able to carry the workload on a consistent basis.

Hopefully, Baker is our next TD.

Requiem
08-01-2010, 02:46 PM
Not sure, Anderson. It was a vague tweet. Just throwing out what I've found elsewhere. Lets hope Tebow brought extra holy water today.

Mogulseeker
08-01-2010, 02:48 PM
Latest on NFL.com

Moreno was carted off the field after hurting his right leg Sunday, and Buckhalter injured his left leg just minutes later.

About an hour into the workout, Moreno caught a pass in 7-on-7 drills and turned upfield when his leg buckled. He grimaced as he hopped into the team's headquarters for tests.

Buckhalter hurt his leg about 10 minutes later during the same drill and limped off on his own. A league source told NFL Network insider Jason La Canfora that Buckhalter suffered a mild hamstring pull, and that the injury is not expected to keep him out too long.

Broncos coach Josh McDaniels told reporters after practice that there was no timetable for RB Knowshon Moreno's recovery

Maybe they should stop doing that particular drill/running that play.

McDman
08-01-2010, 02:50 PM
Some guy on 104.3 said he talked to someone close to him and it's not a tear. I didn't catch the reporter's name.

RhymesayersDU
08-01-2010, 02:54 PM
Some guy on 104.3 said he talked to someone close to him and it's not a tear. I didn't catch the reporter's name.

They're talking about it now. Just repeated that same thing.

For those outside Denver, don't forget you can listen live (for free) to 104.3 here: http://www.1043thefan.com/listenOnline.aspx

Talking about Moreno and TC in general.

pdvd23
08-01-2010, 03:00 PM
Fox 31 says that its not a tear, from NFL source

toad
08-01-2010, 03:00 PM
Baker's a player...I live in NC and am an NC State fan and enjoyed watching him.

Lots of heart...but arguably carries the "fragile" label.

bpc
08-01-2010, 03:01 PM
Shoot, hope Moreno gets healthy. We need this guy to push the offense in 2010 while we get our WR position sorted out.

Florida_Bronco
08-01-2010, 03:02 PM
. . . and how many games did Moreno miss in college?

Hey back off man. BPC is getting on a really good irrational, emotion driven tirade here and doesn't need you bringing your damn facts here and getting in his way!

Homer Simpson
08-01-2010, 03:02 PM
Credit to him, he played with those dings.

Unfortunately dings in college + slow 40 times for an upright runner pretty much equals disaster in the NFL. A very select few can get by with those traits.

You can argue a lot but I pointed to this well before we drafted him... he was going to be an injury risk on the next level and he's been every bit of that. He missed something like 4-6 weeks last year when camp started from a knee injury, played dinged up all season, and now this.

Color me NOT surprised.

Sucks for us as a team. The list of backups we have right now is pitiful. Shame on McD for this.

You are a retarded idiot with an agenda. You and jhns should go join a redskins or bears forum as you have no place here.

azbroncfan
08-01-2010, 03:04 PM
No surprise Buck got hurt but that sucks on Knowshon.

Popps
08-01-2010, 03:05 PM
You are a retarded idiot with an agenda. You and jhns should go join a redskins or bears forum as you have no place here.

Stop editing yourself.

Say what you mean.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 03:08 PM
Stop editing yourself.

Say what you mean.

I don't see an edited post?

Homer Simpson
08-01-2010, 03:11 PM
Stop editing yourself.

Say what you mean.

I don't usually get wound up but reading jhns, strafen and bpc has driven me crazy. This place has a lot of intelligent thoughtful people who post about the Broncos from Taco to Florida to Kaylore to Drek, then I have to read these three, who seem to have no knowledge of the game of football and just spout bile and hatred towards Josh McDaniels and the Broncos franchise. I always assume anyone who seeks out and registers for this place loves the Broncos and am upset to be proven wrong.

I apologise for getting wound up and allowing myself to stoop to that level.

DivineBronco
08-01-2010, 03:14 PM
I don't see an edited post?
i took that as a sarcastic stop editing in your own head type o thing

HEAV
08-01-2010, 03:16 PM
FOX 31 in Denver reports that an MRI Sunday night revealed Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn.

While it's good news that he'll avoid surgery, the possibility remains that Moreno's hamstring is significantly strained, as observers heard a "pop" when he went down on the practice field Sunday. He has no timetable for return, and the secretive Broncos could conceivably milk the the injury right up until the opener. We can pretty safely expect Belichick disciple Josh McDaniels to list Moreno as "questionable, limited" on the Week 1 injury report.

orange crusher
08-01-2010, 03:20 PM
Maybe we can trade for JJ Arrington.

or Portis. :-)

What's crooked crack up to these days?

NYBronco
08-01-2010, 03:23 PM
i took that as a sarcastic stop editing in your own head type o thing

I took it as sarcasm also.

Taco John
08-01-2010, 03:25 PM
Adam_Schefter

Matthew Stafford texted former Georgia teammate Knowshon Moreno about his injury but hasn't heard back. Said Moreno is tough as they come.


This is pretty weak reporting on Schefter's part. This twitter thing is going to people's heads...

bpc
08-01-2010, 03:26 PM
You are a retarded idiot with an agenda. You and jhns should go join a redskins or bears forum as you have no place here.

Right. Where's your proof? I have no *secret* agenda. I'm a broncos fan. Guilty as charged. I call an ace, an ace, a spade, a spade. Are we back to the fan police days? "My fanatic wang is bigger than yours!" ha ha.

HEAV
08-01-2010, 03:27 PM
FOX 31 in Denver reports that an MRI Sunday night revealed Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn.

While it's good news that he'll avoid surgery, the possibility remains that Moreno's hamstring is significantly strained, as observers heard a "pop" when he went down on the practice field Sunday. He has no timetable for return, and the secretive Broncos could conceivably milk the the injury right up until the opener. We can pretty safely expect Belichick disciple Josh McDaniels to list Moreno as "questionable, limited" on the Week 1 injury report.

bpc
08-01-2010, 03:28 PM
Hey back off man. BPC is getting on a really good irrational, emotion driven tirade here and doesn't need you bringing your damn facts here and getting in his way!

Has Knowshon been injured two years running just like I said he would? Um, yes, I think that would be correct.

Has Ryan Harris been injury plagued, just like I said he would? Why yes, I think he has.

Next.

bpc
08-01-2010, 03:34 PM
I don't usually get wound up but reading jhns, strafen and bpc has driven me crazy. This place has a lot of intelligent thoughtful people who post about the Broncos from Taco to Florida to Kaylore to Drek, then I have to read these three, who seem to have no knowledge of the game of football and just spout bile and hatred towards Josh McDaniels and the Broncos franchise. I always assume anyone who seeks out and registers for this place loves the Broncos and am upset to be proven wrong.

I apologise for getting wound up and allowing myself to stoop to that level.

You're an idiot who can't read.

I did have my share of criticism of McDaniels over his first year. And it was deserved. He royally f'd up a bunch of relationships with his gigantic ego. I took him to task over Cutler. People, even FELLOW fans, are entitled to their opinion. The Mike Nolan situation was a colossal **** up. This is just the tip of the ice berg.

Since then i've given him a lot of credit for his shrewd selection of Tim Tebow in April's draft. He completely restocked the QB position with ample talent, one of my original complaints with trading away Cutler. He resigned Kuper and Doom... key signs to me that this organization is serious about success.

I've never once called for McDaniels to be fired early and I won't, even if we bomb this year. He's attached his name to Tebow and we have a 3 year window to see what he can do with his QB's.

That's pretty much the end of it, and i've said it multiple times. The only people that keep bringing crap up are the fan police because you know, they want to think they're a better fan than everybody else because they blindly hang on to every move.

BTW, i love your "no experience" quote. That's comical.

Next.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 03:35 PM
Get off your high horse Chris. If you could evaluate players half as we'll as you think you can you would hane a job in the league already. Has Knowshon been injured two years running just like I said he would? Um, yes, I think that would be correct.

Has Ryan Harris been injury plagued, just like I said he would? Why yes, I think he has.

Next.

snowspot66
08-01-2010, 03:39 PM
Has Knowshon been injured two years running just like I said he would? Um, yes, I think that would be correct.

Has Ryan Harris been injury plagued, just like I said he would? Why yes, I think he has.

Next.

I don't know what you said about Harris but your claims about Moreno had to do with him getting beat up during games because of his running style.

How does that in anyway compare to a guy being unlucky and getting hurt in practice? Was he running to upright and vulnerable and got hit really hard by a gust of wind?

bpc
08-01-2010, 03:40 PM
Get off your high horse Chris. If you could evaluate players half as we'll as you think you can you would hane a job in the league already.

Wrong connections, no family relationships in the league.

Honestly, after having knocked on the door, I don't think I would want to be on that level. Professional sports is pretty funny once you get inside the war-room's. It's a whole bunch of brother's, relatives and stuff trying to football people. At my last stop, I had a 400lb man trying to tell me how to evaluate players and what to look for. He had never played a down of football in his life and claimed expertise scouting QB's and WR's.

Nah, i'd rather stick to coaching college or high school football. That's in the distant future though. I'm just a family man now.

Blueflame
08-01-2010, 03:41 PM
FOX 31 in Denver reports that an MRI Sunday night revealed Knowshon Moreno's hamstring is not torn.

While it's good news that he'll avoid surgery, the possibility remains that Moreno's hamstring is significantly strained, as observers heard a "pop" when he went down on the practice field Sunday. He has no timetable for return, and the secretive Broncos could conceivably milk the the injury right up until the opener. We can pretty safely expect Belichick disciple Josh McDaniels to list Moreno as "questionable, limited" on the Week 1 injury report.

An MRI "Sunday night"? ??? It's like 3:30 pm Mountain time... more like "afternoon" than "night"...

~Crash~
08-01-2010, 03:46 PM
You're an idiot who can't read.

I did have my share of criticism of McDaniels over his first year. And it was deserved. He royally f'd up a bunch of relationships with his gigantic ego. I took him to task over Cutler. People, even FELLOW fans, are entitled to their opinion. The Mike Nolan situation was a colossal **** up. This is just the tip of the ice berg.

Since then i've given him a lot of credit for his shrewd selection of Tim Tebow in April's draft. He completely restocked the QB position with ample talent, one of my original complaints with trading away Cutler. He resigned Kuper and Doom... key signs to me that this organization is serious about success.

I've never once called for McDaniels to be fired early and I won't, even if we bomb this year. He's attached his name to Tebow and we have a 3 year window to see what he can do with his QB's.

That's pretty much the end of it, and i've said it multiple times. The only people that keep bringing crap up are the fan police because you know, they want to think they're a better fan than everybody else because they blindly hang on to every move.

BTW, i love your "no experience" quote. That's comical.

Next.

you are not alone in what you say Chris

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 03:50 PM
Harris, Clady, Knowshon and Buck...

I'm starting to wonder if Tebow needs sacrifices to fuel his meteoric rise

Florida_Bronco
08-01-2010, 03:51 PM
I don't know what you said about Harris but your claims about Moreno had to do with him getting beat up during games because of his running style. He was declaring that Harris was worthless and should be cut during his rookie season. Then in 2009 he dislocates a toe and BPC is beating his chest like he was right all because a guy managed to get injured.

Homer Simpson
08-01-2010, 03:53 PM
You're an idiot who can't read.

I did have my share of criticism of McDaniels over his first year. And it was deserved. He royally f'd up a bunch of relationships with his gigantic ego. I took him to task over Cutler. People, even FELLOW fans, are entitled to their opinion. The Mike Nolan situation was a colossal **** up. This is just the tip of the ice berg.

Since then i've given him a lot of credit for his shrewd selection of Tim Tebow in April's draft. He completely restocked the QB position with ample talent, one of my original complaints with trading away Cutler. He resigned Kuper and Doom... key signs to me that this organization is serious about success.

I've never once called for McDaniels to be fired early and I won't, even if we bomb this year. He's attached his name to Tebow and we have a 3 year window to see what he can do with his QB's.

That's pretty much the end of it, and i've said it multiple times. The only people that keep bringing crap up are the fan police because you know, they want to think they're a better fan than everybody else because they blindly hang on to every move.

BTW, i love your "no experience" quote. That's comical.

Next.

Yes, I don't have 11 THOUSAND posts. And you talk about fan "wang". Grow up "Chris"

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 03:57 PM
An MRI "Sunday night"? ??? It's like 3:30 pm Mountain time... more like "afternoon" than "night"...

yeah I was just thinking that... I'm sitting here in denver and had to look outside to make sure I'm ot going crazy and missed the evening practice... Which I'm leaving rigt for btw

tebowisdabomb
08-01-2010, 04:02 PM
This dude just got out of jail and is now enrolled back in OSU , he should be available

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qoybMHXZ-cU/Sh9f1nxtCMI/AAAAAAAAAQE/ftIyKoK6vXU/s400/clarett.jpg

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 04:03 PM
At my last stop, I had a 400lb man trying to tell me how to evaluate players and what to look for. He had never played a down of football in his life and claimed expertise scouting QB's and WR's.


You worked with Charlie Weis?

Ray Finkle
08-01-2010, 04:07 PM
Correct me if I am wrong, But a sprain is a tear ???

what Rev said is correct... a sprain is a incomplete tear if you want to think of it that way.....

Blueflame
08-01-2010, 04:13 PM
yeah I was just thinking that... I'm sitting here in denver and had to look outside to make sure I'm ot going crazy and missed the evening practice... Which I'm leaving rigt for btw

The wording gives the impression that maybe it's news intended to be released tomorrow morning; not this afternoon... very strange.

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 04:14 PM
This dude just got out of jail and is now enrolled back in OSU , he should be available

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_qoybMHXZ-cU/Sh9f1nxtCMI/AAAAAAAAAQE/ftIyKoK6vXU/s400/clarett.jpg

LOL

I love this thread. From what it sounds like it was a hammy but wasn't a tear, so that's good news. That's more like a 4-6 week deal. The annoying thing is getting the hammy right could take several more weeks after that. But all good news (given what could have happened) so I'm going to stay positive and hope a rookie now has a chance to really shine.

And I'm also board with getting Fargas. That dude ran over everything.

Homer Simpson
08-01-2010, 04:17 PM
Gary Miller just tweeted it ISN'T season threatening which is good.

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 04:26 PM
Gary Miller just tweeted it ISN'T season threatening which is good.

I think we all knew that regardless. Hamstring injuries, even the most severe take up to ten weeks. Knowshon is a completely fit athlete in his twenties and we have 6 weeks before Jacksonville. At the most you were looking at midseason return.

tebowisdabomb
08-01-2010, 04:38 PM
LOL

I love this thread. From what it sounds like it was a hammy but wasn't a tear, so that's good news. That's more like a 4-6 week deal. The annoying thing is getting the hammy right could take several more weeks after that. But all good news (given what could have happened) so I'm going to stay positive and hope a rookie now has a chance to really shine.

And I'm also board with getting Fargas. That dude ran over everything.

Fargas will give you 100% on every play and being a Raiderfan, I sure would hate to see him in a Broncos uniform lining up against us.... he runs too upright but is not afraid to take the hit for an extra yard... the guy is a stud and I don't understand why he is not on a team now unless he is hurt and can't pass a physical

bpc
08-01-2010, 04:39 PM
He was declaring that Harris was worthless and should be cut during his rookie season. Then in 2009 he dislocates a toe and BPC is beating his chest like he was right all because a guy managed to get injured.

Why am i not surprised you're lying? I said that Harris was a guy that had some talent, fit our scheme well, but had underwent ba****rgery and that results in the pick being a major REACH. Because once you have a f'd up back, that doesn't get better. It only gets progressively WORSE. It leads to other injuries. I predicted that he's have numerous injury problems, which have come to pass.

The funny thing was, after the Houston preseason game of his sophomore year, when everybody was bashing him relentlessly for 3 holding penalties against Mario Williams, I hyped him as having a GREAT game, and the look of a breakout player... all of which came to pass two seasons ago.

Seems like i'm batting 2/2 on this, you're fronting, lying, and doing what you normally do... engage in shady business to make yourself feel better about yourself.

Grow up.

bpc
08-01-2010, 04:42 PM
Yes, I don't have 11 THOUSAND posts. And you talk about fan "wang". Grow up "Chris"

I've been here since 2004. Much longer if you go back to RMN bulletin boards with some of these other posters. Yeah, i've had a lot of takes about the broncos. It's laughable that the mob gets upset because you don't agree with a few moves and they try to cast you out.

Hater's gon' hate!

bpc
08-01-2010, 04:43 PM
You worked with Charlie Weis?

ha ha ha ha, NICE!

He was actually fatter than Charlie Weis, if that's possible.

HEAV
08-01-2010, 04:48 PM
Sunday August 1st, 2010 4:32pm MDT

Despite being taken off the field today at practice, Denver Broncos running back, Knowshon Moreno got the best news possible.

His hamstring is not torn.

During the Denver Broncos first full-squad morning practice, Moreno was carted off the field after suffering a hamstring injury reportedly after a 7-on-7 drill.

Fox31 Sports saw Moreno throw his gloves in displeasure while putting no weight on his right leg as he was helped inside.

Prior to leaving for his M.R.I exam Fox31’s Josina Anderson learned that Moreno was overheard saying he didn’t think his injury was as bad as it could have been-relatively speaking. Others inside of the facility were echoing the same sentiment as they waited for official results.

The Broncos medical staff will vigilantly monitor their 2009 first-round draft pick.

Brandon Kristzal reported the same news on his twitter page as well.

HEAV
08-01-2010, 04:48 PM
This message is hidden because bpc is on your ignore list.

Blueflame
08-01-2010, 04:52 PM
This message is hidden because bpc is on your ignore list.

It's probably safe to say the vast majority of Maners couldn't possibly care less who is... or is not... on your ignore list.

KipCorrington25
08-01-2010, 04:53 PM
http://www.sportingnews.com/images/159057/article.jpeg

Requiem
08-01-2010, 04:55 PM
Get off your high horse Chris. If you could evaluate players half as we'll as you think you can you would hane a job in the league already.

Winner, winner, chicken dinner. What do we have for him Johnny?

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 04:58 PM
LOL

I love this thread. From what it sounds like it was a hammy but wasn't a tear, so that's good news. That's more like a 4-6 week deal. The annoying thing is getting the hammy right could take several more weeks after that. But all good news (given what could have happened) so I'm going to stay positive and hope a rookie now has a chance to really shine.

And I'm also board with getting Fargas. That dude ran over everything.

It was most likely a tear, just not torN. Does that make any sense?

Captain 'Dre
08-01-2010, 05:00 PM
It was most likely a tear, just not torN. Does that make any sense?

I think what you mean is, it was a tear of the hamstring, not a rupture.

orange skier
08-01-2010, 05:03 PM
Phone call for Mr. Lepruchan.........Mr. Lepruchan, please call the broncos practice facility..........dude............if you're out there, please show up..........we need you...........

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 05:04 PM
I think what you mean is, it was a tear of the hamstring, not a rupture.

Not really, what I mean is a strain is a partial, little tear in the muscle and generally speaking torn is it's ****ing torn the **** up.

Edit: Meant strain not sprain, w/e you guys knew

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 05:06 PM
http://www.sportingnews.com/images/159057/article.jpeg

Mangino looks like he's 400 pounds here.

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 05:08 PM
It was most likely a tear, just not torN. Does that make any sense?

Yeah strains and sprains are all tears, just of different tissue and different severity. When they say torn, they mean pieces of tissue ripped in half, not just "stretched to where blood vessels rupture."

HEAV
08-01-2010, 05:10 PM
It's probably safe to say the vast majority of Maners couldn't possibly care less who is... or is not... on your ignore list.

Just my way of giving advice to some people. Just like the majority of Maners could careless how much you hate McDaniels...:wiggle:

Blueflame
08-01-2010, 05:13 PM
Just my way of giving advice to some people. Just like the majority of Maners could careless how much you hate McDaniels...:wiggle:

I don't recall mentioning the coach recently. :pfbbt: ;D

FireFly
08-01-2010, 05:18 PM
Marshawn Lynch will be our RB if knowshon's is serious. We can't rely on a bunch of camp fodder to be our RB

Obviously this isn't ideal, but it's better than anything else if Knowshon is hurt.

HEAV
08-01-2010, 05:24 PM
Eagles saw two more players carted off the field with similar injuries. First starting cornerback Asante Samuel was carted off the field and then later in the practice running back Mike Bell jumped on board the cart as well.

Coincidentally, both Samuel and Bell suffered hamstring strains, which are not considered to be serious. Bell's injury occurred in a similar fashion to Jackson's incident. He was participating in 7-on-7 drills and caught a pass out of the backfield from quarterback Kevin Kolb. Once he tried to turn up field and burn rookie linebacker Keenan Clayton with his speed, he pulled up, yelled out, immediately went down to the ground on the sidelines and grabbed his thigh.

After letting out a couple of expletives and having the Eagles trainers check him out, Bell was carted away to the indoor facility. The good news is that Bell was seen walking out of the Eagles’ locker room with his leg thickly wrapped to loosen up his hamstring. Additionally, Bell said he was "alright" so the Eagles may have dodged another bullet.

Although the injury opens the door for recently acquired J.J. Arrington (passed his physical yesterday) and sixth-round draft pick Charles Scott to make a lasting impression on Reid with their increase in reps. While Bell is expected to be the No. 2 back behind starter LeSean McCoy, this injury could linger and gives a chance for the other backs on the roster to move up the depth chart.

As for Samuel, he is not a doctor, but is optimistic about being in practice tomorrow.

"I'm not a mad scientist," Samuel said. "I might be out there tomorrow."

All in all, it has been two full days of practice and already three Eagles players (two of whom are key cogs for the Eagles success this year) have been taken off the field by the now famous “cart.” Hopefully, the cart can get some rest tomorrow since it has been working equally as hard as the Eagles players have this first week of training camp.
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Bell got hurt doing the same thing Knowshon did, hell they responded the same way, kinda freaky!

yerner
08-01-2010, 05:31 PM
There is no way Marshawn gets traded to the Broncos. Beast Mode scares Mcdaniels cracker ass.

GoBroncos84
08-01-2010, 05:31 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/01/no-hamstring-tear-for-knowshon/


No hamstring tear for Knowshon
Posted by Mike Florio on August 1, 2010 7:18 PM ET

Earlier today, multiple reports emerged indicating that Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno suffered a torn hamstring in training camp.

A report now emerges that the hamstring isn't torn, after all.

Josina Anderson of FOX 31 says via Twitter that the MRI revealed that the injury wasn't as serious as the team had feared. More specifically, there's no tearing of the muscle.

To summarize, then, roughly a dozen (or so it seems) skill-position players have taken cart rides in the early days of training camp, and not a single one ended up with a serious injury.

FireFly
08-01-2010, 05:34 PM
Sad to say but unlike everyone else I'm a huge pessimist (that way I'm always pleasently suprised).

I don't think it would be an over reaction to try to get Westbrook AND Fargas or Lynch at this point.

UberBroncoMan
08-01-2010, 05:35 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/01/no-hamstring-tear-for-knowshon/


No hamstring tear for Knowshon
Posted by Mike Florio on August 1, 2010 7:18 PM ET

Earlier today, multiple reports emerged indicating that Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno suffered a torn hamstring in training camp.

A report now emerges that the hamstring isn't torn, after all.

Josina Anderson of FOX 31 says via Twitter that the MRI revealed that the injury wasn't as serious as the team had feared. More specifically, there's no tearing of the muscle.

To summarize, then, roughly a dozen (or so it seems) skill-position players have taken cart rides in the early days of training camp, and not a single one ended up with a serious injury.

This better be right. Whew. Talk about dodging bullets.

loborugger
08-01-2010, 05:38 PM
http://www.walyou.com/img/Nintendo-characters-games-art-mike-tyson-glass-joe-2.jpg

From the U of GA
GLASS JAW KNOW

Every time I have hurt my hammy its been due to lack of warm up/stretching/previous activity. I would hope that is not the case with a pro athlete.

Durango
08-01-2010, 05:47 PM
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/08/01/no-hamstring-tear-for-knowshon/


No hamstring tear for Knowshon
Posted by Mike Florio on August 1, 2010 7:18 PM ET

Earlier today, multiple reports emerged indicating that Broncos running back Knowshon Moreno suffered a torn hamstring in training camp.

A report now emerges that the hamstring isn't torn, after all.

Josina Anderson of FOX 31 says via Twitter that the MRI revealed that the injury wasn't as serious as the team had feared. More specifically, there's no tearing of the muscle.

To summarize, then, roughly a dozen (or so it seems) skill-position players have taken cart rides in the early days of training camp, and not a single one ended up with a serious injury.

I was just watching your Denver station, Channel 4. Vic Lombardi said just a few minutes ago that the tests showed the hamstring WAS torn, it just wasn't certain if it was a partial or a complete tear.

I don't know who is right on this, but I hope the kid can play this year.

Homer Simpson
08-01-2010, 05:59 PM
I really thought Knowshon was going to explode this year, and be one of the top 5 backs in the league. Gutted at this turn of events.

Boobs McGee
08-01-2010, 06:00 PM
I for one am expecting the worst, hoping for the best. I'll wait till someone like schefter or vic (or the Denver Broncos) comes out with an OFFICIAL declaration.

As much as I'd love for josina to be right in this situation, imo she's garbage and can't be taken seriously.

So, we wait.

elsid13
08-01-2010, 06:19 PM
This is why i hate drafting running back in the first. To much money for production you can find later in the draft.

FireFly
08-01-2010, 06:23 PM
This is why i hate drafting running back in the first. To much money for production you can find later in the draft.

Well I hope you're right and we DO find equal production from someone likely selected later in the draft!!

TDmvp
08-01-2010, 06:24 PM
This is why i hate drafting running back in the first. To much money for production you can find later in the draft.



Yup and Yup ... Stupid to take a back that high now a days .
Hated the pick ... Even if he does well I still hate the pick because you just don't need to blow a first on a hb and pay him rd1 money.