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Kaylore
08-01-2010, 09:05 AM
Apparently he was there an hour early and the line of people trying to get in was into the street. He said It's the most full it's ever been.

Follow up text: Tebow came onto the field and the crowd went completely nuts.

JCMElway
08-01-2010, 09:08 AM
This is so awesome! I can't wait to get my first "real" camp report!

I LOVE THE MANE!

TailgateNut
08-01-2010, 09:09 AM
I think the "Tebownites" are going to make me barf come reg. season. Just like the "Cutlerites".

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 09:12 AM
I think the "Tebownites" are going to make me barf come reg. season. Just like the "Cutlerites".

We needed it as a franchise. I'm still not sold he can make it, but his work ethic alone will ensure he stays in the league for some time. More than that, this franchise needed a super-star get people excited about Bronco football, and not one who is mopey or beats women and drives drunk. Tim Tebow brings a lot of fresh fans who are optimistic in Broncos Country, and I like that.

SoDak Bronco
08-01-2010, 09:17 AM
Thanks for the update kaylore. should be an interesting training camp, glad the long wait between the draft and TC is finally over. Tebow wasn't my choice of QB back in April, but time shall tell, hope he's ready for the spotlight.

El Guapo
08-01-2010, 09:20 AM
Thanks for the update.

Not really psyched about the bandwagon fans, but hey... I'm just going to sit back and enjoy the ride. Hopefully he matures as a football player and does well for us.

SportinOne
08-01-2010, 09:23 AM
every team has bandwagon fans. if we didn't have any the stadium could never be sold out.. just the way it is.

2KBack
08-01-2010, 09:27 AM
I don't care if it's only for a week, a day, or three hours; for whatever time a person is cheering for the Broncos, they are my brother.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 09:36 AM
We needed it as a franchise. I'm still not sold he can make it, but his work ethic alone will ensure he stays in the league for some time. More than that, this franchise needed a super-star get people excited about Bronco football, and not one who is mopey or beats women and drives drunk. Tim Tebow brings a lot of fresh fans who are optimistic in Broncos Country, and I like that.

This.

I was afraid that it would be a mad house today. I was going to take my nephews out but told my sister-in-law yesterday that it would be a long wait in line and that we would have to be there about an hour or two early and then sit facing the sun for two more hours. For me, it would be worth it but I'm not sure I can handle it right now (just had surgery) but I knew that my nephews would get restless. We went to a Lax camp yesterday and he was spent after about an hour and a half on the turf field. Long work week but hope to be able to catch a camp this weekend and then hook up with Khan next Wed for a day of camp.

Stoked about Tebow. I saw a post earlier from SSJ regarding Tebow being kind of ugly in throwing/producing. I usually agree with most of what SSJ posts but I don't think this will be the case. Tebow throws a beautiful ball. Its the sketchy mechanics he uses to throw that aren't all that appealing, but when he launches the ball he, more often than not, throws a beautiful pass.

El Guapo
08-01-2010, 09:40 AM
I don't care if it's only for a week, a day, or three hours; for whatever time a person is cheering for the Broncos, they are my brother.

Very true. . . I suppose I can grin and bare it. !Booya!

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 09:44 AM
When Tebow throws touch passes, they wobble. Accurate but not a tight spiral.
Demaryius Thomas isn't just tall, he's thick.
1st Team D-line: McBean, Fields, Bannan
1st team LB's: Doom, Haggan, DJ, Ayers
2nd team D-line: Baker, Green, Thomas
2nd Team LB: Moss, Woody, Ayodele, Kirlew

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 09:48 AM
I was reading tweets from the Media. Maxblog says that whenever Tebow does anything remotely mediocre like complete a simple pass the crowd roars!

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 09:51 AM
Apparently Quinn has his fair share of fans. Lots of ND jerseys in the crowd. Poor neckbeard.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 09:54 AM
If there is a worthwhile afternoon session I am going to try and go or at least drive by the complex and see if its worth even trying.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 09:57 AM
You talking today Nick or just through out camp?

McDman
08-01-2010, 10:00 AM
We needed it as a franchise. I'm still not sold he can make it, but his work ethic alone will ensure he stays in the league for some time. More than that, this franchise needed a super-star get people excited about Bronco football, and not one who is mopey or beats women and drives drunk. Tim Tebow brings a lot of fresh fans who are optimistic in Broncos Country, and I like that.

That's a good point. We thought we had two but that obviously didn't work out.

BroncosinDC
08-01-2010, 10:18 AM
Apparently Quinn has his fair share of fans. Lots of ND jerseys in the crowd. Poor neckbeard.

Its Sunday, people who really appreciate him are still hungover. They will be there for the afternoon practice, after they wake up find their pants, and sneak out of whatever skankbots house they ended up in.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 10:18 AM
You talking today Nick or just through out camp?

I meant tomorrow, I might try to get down there depending on how work goes tomorrow.

cutthemdown
08-01-2010, 10:22 AM
We needed it as a franchise. I'm still not sold he can make it, but his work ethic alone will ensure he stays in the league for some time. More than that, this franchise needed a super-star get people excited about Bronco football, and not one who is mopey or beats women and drives drunk. Tim Tebow brings a lot of fresh fans who are optimistic in Broncos Country, and I like that.

I was telling Ironclady last night at my gig I bet Tebow accounts for 10 tds this yr alone. I think he is going to change the game for what a QB can do in a short yardage package. He may not run 10 in per se, but overall I really think he could be a goaline beast with his size, speed and heart. Not just that but hes a winner. He will do anything to get the ball across the goal line.

People should remember Elways stats in many ways stink compared to QBS like manning, brees, steve young, montana etc etc. Elway just refused to lose. Tebow not like Elway as far as his arm goes, but in regards to heart I think he has a lot in common.

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 10:30 AM
1st O: orton, buck, r quinn, eddie, jabar, lloyd
2nd O. B. Quinn, Knowshon, graham, decker, Thomas, Stokley
Dawk dropped a pick of Orton's. Pushups per usual.
Lot's of Knowson split wide with Buck as the up-back.
Orton and Willis just burned Nate Jones for huge gain.
Knowshon's hurt. Limping off field. Sad face.
Looks to be a hammy.
Tebow just hit Willis with a bomb. Watch yoo talkin 'bout Willis!
Moreno getting carted off the field. Sadder face
QB sweep Teebow, big play.
Lance Ball looks good. Couple of big runs.
Eddie jumping catch in traffic.
Quinn lazered one to Willis.
Baker trucked Moss to the ground.
Tebow Lazered one 30 yards down the sideline, good catch Alrett over Alphonso Smith.
DJ just destroyed a Screen play.
Decker just got a PI call go his way being covered by Cox, long ball thrown by B. Quinn.
R. Quinn just caught a pass on Dawkins using his body to shield himself from the hit.
Tebow taking reps with the ones.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 10:30 AM
I was telling Ironclady last night at my gig I bet Tebow accounts for 10 tds this yr alone. I think he is going to change the game for what a QB can do in a short yardage package. He may not run 10 in per se, but overall I really think he could be a goaline beast with his size, speed and heart. Not just that but hes a winner. He will do anything to get the ball across the goal line.

People should remember Elways stats in many ways stink compared to QBS like manning, brees, steve young, montana etc etc. Elway just refused to lose. Tebow not like Elway as far as his arm goes, but in regards to heart I think he has a lot in common.

Good analogy. I think the same of Tebow. I just hope he doesn't get roughed up trying to be the same player as he was in college. Don't get me wrong, I want him to make the same plays just not take the same hits. Yes, I want my cake and want to eat it too.

That One Guy
08-01-2010, 10:33 AM
Bandwagon fans are never good. As quickly as they come, they go.

I look forward to the day when Tebow is even remotely talked about for his on-field abilities in relation to his off field personality. Fans who build their fandom around Tebow's celebrity are not the kinds of fans that the team needs to stay healthy long term.

Homer Simpson
08-01-2010, 10:34 AM
The tweets I've read say if you want to go to the evening practice (530pm) you better get there about 330pm.

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 10:46 AM
Practice just ended.


"Tebow's killing the gassers they do them same time now - offense on the other field." I think this means suicide runs.
Team just broke to "hard work." Crowd chanting "Tebow! Tebow!".

Meck77
08-01-2010, 10:50 AM
Same thing happened when Plummer took the practice field for the first time. I know the Tacos of the mane hated him but he brought that winning swagger back that we need after griese.

Their was a spontaneous chant of "Superbowl! Superbowl! Superbowl!" Love Plummer or hate him that's the closest we came to sniffing one.

Thank God Culter and the bad attitudes in Denver are finally gone! Go Broncos!

Br0nc0Buster
08-01-2010, 10:50 AM
thanks for the updates

interesting that R Quinn is running with the ones

RonDaChamp24
08-01-2010, 10:51 AM
Thank you for the updates!

That One Guy
08-01-2010, 10:54 AM
Practice just ended.


"Tebow's killing the gassers they do them same time now - offense on the other field." I think this means suicide runs.
Team just broke to "hard work." Crowd chanting "Tebow! Tebow!".


Much in the way vets resent rookies making more money than them, doesn't it seem feasible that they resent this as well? The guy is recognized as a developmental player with almost zero chance of starting this year yet the fans are infatuated with him.

Players either resent him and his celebrity factor or thing the fans are star struck and ignorant.

Rabb
08-01-2010, 10:55 AM
Much in the way vets resent rookies making more money than them, doesn't it seem feasible that they resent this as well? The guy is recognized as a developmental player with almost zero chance of starting this year yet the fans are infatuated with him.

Players either resent him and his celebrity factor or thing the fans are star struck and ignorant.

yeah I am sure the vets hate all of the fan support

moron

RonDaChamp24
08-01-2010, 10:59 AM
Much in the way vets resent rookies making more money than them, doesn't it seem feasible that they resent this as well? The guy is recognized as a developmental player with almost zero chance of starting this year yet the fans are infatuated with him.

Players either resent him and his celebrity factor or thing the fans are star struck and ignorant.

I assume that just like in college, his teammates will love him. He's a hard worker who's been earning their respect throughout the offseason since he got drafted. If anything, I'd think the players are excited. Shows how pumped up our fans are for this season.

That One Guy
08-01-2010, 10:59 AM
yeah I am sure the vets hate all of the fan support

moron

Notice the bolded portion as I was referring to that exact situation.

Why the namecalling?

Rabb
08-01-2010, 11:01 AM
Notice the bolded portion as I was referring to that exact situation.

Why the namecalling?

because it's just unnecessary and manufactured drama based on nothing

it's getting old

That One Guy
08-01-2010, 11:04 AM
I assume that just like in college, his teammates will love him. He's a hard worker who's been earning their respect throughout the offseason since he got drafted. If anything, I'd think the players are excited. Shows how pumped up our fans are for this season.

College and pros are different games. In the pros, everyone's looking out for themselves. There was a story the other day about one of the Williams in Minn lighting up a rook RB in shorts and shoulder pads and repeated two or three times that if he wants to get paid so much, he was gonna earn it.

Here's the quote, I decided to look it up as this in the back of my mind is probably fueling the question in the first place. Again, this was said after he lit him up like 4 times.

"I don't care who it is, man," Williams said. "This ain't college no more. They're grown mans out there. [Expletive.] Paying these college boys like they already played before, so [expletive], we just show 'em. This is a different breed out there. This is grown men. It ain't boys no more. But they pay 'em like they done played in the NFL now," Williams said, according to Tom Pelissero of ESPN1500.

Que
08-01-2010, 11:06 AM
Both Buck and Moreno hurt. Bummer...

http://m.nbcsports.com/search?articleId=38510484

That One Guy
08-01-2010, 11:07 AM
because it's just unnecessary and manufactured drama based on nothing

it's getting old

So I should just get in the circle and jerk my pud with everyone else? Let's ignore true human dynamics in an environment where everyone is admittedly selfish and believe that here, in this and only this situation, they're finally going to put their own egos away and be elated that one of their fellow players are being worshipped.

Your head is so deep in the sand yet you can still see well enough to fire back such responses. I'm impressed.

Br0nc0Buster
08-01-2010, 11:09 AM
I guess Chris Baker got hurt as well...

Rabb
08-01-2010, 11:10 AM
whatever buddy, carry on

I can't wait for people like you to have a nice helping of crow, until then welcome to the iggy list

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 11:13 AM
Much in the way vets resent rookies making more money than them, doesn't it seem feasible that they resent this as well? The guy is recognized as a developmental player with almost zero chance of starting this year yet the fans are infatuated with him.

Players either resent him and his celebrity factor or thing the fans are star struck and ignorant.

Only soft people that are afraid to participate in rituals would be offended by a player busting his ass. It's usually those that are afraid to give 110% that complain about stuff like this. I personally think that leading by example is the way to go, you should try it some time and learn to appreciate a guy that is willing to give that much effort.

*WARHORSE*
08-01-2010, 11:17 AM
Time to sign Westbrook

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 11:24 AM
Time to sign Westbrook

That was my initial thought as well, but I'm not sure we can count on him either. Way too advanced in his career to be a bell cow type back.

If Knowshon is only out a few weeks/month then I suspect they will look for a few guys that can come in and take some practice reps, a guy like Lendale White. Not that you expect him to make the team or see significant action, but a guy that you can get some work out of for the next month.

If he is out for a long while then look for a trade. Like I said, there are rumors that the Panthers would look to move one of their two elite backs if a team was willing to compensate them accordingly. I'd guess they would want a first, but maybe one of our two 2nds would do the trick. There's always Marshawn Lynch or Fred Jackson as well. With Spiller now there, one of those two could be expendable. I'd take Fred in a second and our new RBs coach has a good idea of what he brings to the table.

That One Guy
08-01-2010, 11:24 AM
Only soft people that are afraid to participate in rituals would be offended by a player busting his ass. It's usually those that are afraid to give 110% that complain about stuff like this. I personally think that leading by example is the way to go, you should try it some time and learn to appreciate a guy that is willing to give that much effort.

Does your computer not show bold? Apparently everyone is oblivious to the point being made. I should've known better than to question God even though I really didn't in the first place.

So be it. There's probably better things to do today anyways.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 11:26 AM
Yup, go mow your lawn or something so we don't have to listen to you whine about somebody being a fan favorite.

*WARHORSE*
08-01-2010, 11:29 AM
1st O: orton, buck, r quinn, eddie, jabar, lloyd
2nd O. B. Quinn, Knowshon, graham, decker, Thomas, Stokley
Dawk dropped a pick of Orton's. Pushups per usual.
Lot's of Knowson split wide with Buck as the up-back.
Orton and Willis just burned Nate Jones for huge gain.
Knowshon's hurt. Limping off field. Sad face.
Looks to be a hammy.
Tebow just hit Willis with a bomb. Watch yoo talkin 'bout Willis!
Moreno getting carted off the field. Sadder face
QB sweep Teebow, big play.
Lance Ball looks good. Couple of big runs.
Eddie jumping catch in traffic.
Quinn lazered one to Willis.
Baker trucked Moss to the ground.
Tebow Lazered one 30 yards down the sideline, good catch Alrett over Alphonso Smith.
DJ just destroyed a Screen play.
Decker just got a PI call go his way being covered by Cox, long ball thrown by B. Quinn.
R. Quinn just caught a pass on Dawkins using his body to shield himself from the hit.
Tebow taking reps with the ones.



Tebow taking reps with the ones.


Thats what Im talkin about.

epicSocialism4tw
08-01-2010, 11:35 AM
Bandwagon fans are never good. As quickly as they come, they go.

I look forward to the day when Tebow is even remotely talked about for his on-field abilities in relation to his off field personality. Fans who build their fandom around Tebow's celebrity are not the kinds of fans that the team needs to stay healthy long term.

Not true.

I first became a Denver Broncos fan in Elways first year. We didnt have a team in Oklahoma City and as a young child I kept seeing this dynamic guy leading an underdog team against a bunch of overdogs. I became a Broncos fan and have been since 1983. Elway hasnt been around in over 10 years.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 11:35 AM
Don't read too much into that Warhorse, McD cycles the players around so that the QBs don't repeat the same plays. Tomorrow you will likely see Quinn doing the same thing, this is normal with McD's practices.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 11:38 AM
Not true.

I first became a Denver Broncos fan in Elways first year. We didnt have a team in Oklahoma City and as a young child I kept seeing this dynamic guy leading an underdog team against a bunch of overdogs. I became a Broncos fan and have been since 1983. Elway hasnt been around in over 10 years.

Bingo. There are a lot of good fans that get their start b/c of a favorite player. As they follow their favorite player they start to learn about everyone on the team and eventually it becomes more about the entire team than just their favorite player. While they may follow their favorite player if/when he leaves, they will also continue to support the team they are now so familiar with.

epicSocialism4tw
08-01-2010, 11:38 AM
Tebow taking reps with the ones.


Thats what Im talkin about.

It didnt take long, did it? Ha!

Tebow's quick rise will be one of, if not the biggest story followed nationally through preseason.

Rabb
08-01-2010, 11:39 AM
Bingo. There are a lot of good fans that get their start b/c of a favorite player. As they follow their favorite player they start to learn about everyone on the team and eventually it becomes more about the entire team than just their favorite player. While they may follow their favorite player if/when he leaves, they will also continue to support the team they are now so familiar with.

Hell I secretly pull for the Lions still as my #2 squad because I grew up around a guy that played for them, then Barry Sanders came in and became my second fave player behind Elway.

rbackfactory80
08-01-2010, 11:41 AM
Does your computer not show bold? Apparently everyone is oblivious to the point being made. I should've known better than to question God even though I really didn't in the first place.

So be it. There's probably better things to do today anyways.

I can't believe you would dare question team dynamics. Athletes never have ego problems, in my opinion you were out of line.:tebow:

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 11:46 AM
yup i just came back from TC, I got there at 7:28 am and the parking lot was full... practice didn't start until 8:45... the most people I've ever seen there by a wide margin... they were still filing in an hour after practice had started...

epicSocialism4tw
08-01-2010, 11:48 AM
Hell I secretly pull for the Lions still as my #2 squad because I grew up around a guy that played for them, then Barry Sanders came in and became my second fave player behind Elway.

Barry Sanders was my second favorite as well. He was so flashy on the field (just because his nervous system and musculature were literally more advanced athletically than your above-average human) and so classy off of it. Its usually the other way around. Barry defined class.

Nowadays we have guys like Reggie Bush who are all flash with no substance on the field. And ____insert WR here____ who are all hype on the field without substance off it.

Think about an Elway/Sanders offense in the late 80's! Luckily we got to see something similar in an Elway/TD offense.

bpc
08-01-2010, 11:50 AM
Seriously, thanks for the camp reporting to all. Kaylore, montrose, etc. Thank you. Great info even though i bust balls sometimes.

As for Tebow... part of me LOVES that some religion haters out there are forced to watch Tebow playing for this team. If their skin is crawling having to root for him, it makes me all that much more happier.

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 11:58 AM
Seriously, thanks for the camp reporting to all. Kaylore, montrose, etc. Thank you. Great info even though i bust balls sometimes.

As for Tebow... part of me LOVES that some religions haters out there are forced to watch Tebow playing for this team. If their skin is crawling having to root for him, it makes me all that much more happier.

I don't get the spite from some people over that.

I'm not a religious person, but I could care less what Tim Tebow believes in....I'm all for people believing what they want if it makes them a decent human being.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-01-2010, 12:00 PM
Seriously, thanks for the camp reporting to all. Kaylore, montrose, etc. Thank you. Great info even though i bust balls sometimes.

As for Tebow... part of me LOVES that some religion haters out there are forced to watch Tebow playing for this team. If their skin is crawling having to root for him, it makes me all that much more happier.

Im a religion hater and a huge Tebow fan. I can't wait to see him play, whats your point?

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 12:01 PM
A couple of quick camp notes....

Orton looked to be the best quarterback out there, but everyone looked a little rusty as they usually do the first couple of practices, but every time Tebow would walk up to the line of scrimmage the crowd would go crazy... he would throw and incomplete pass and they would cheer wildly, Orton would complete a nice pass and people were still cheering for Tebow's water drinking abilities... Poor Orton gets no love.

bpc
08-01-2010, 12:01 PM
I don't get the spite from some people over that.

I'm not a religious person, but I could care less what Tim Tebow believes in....I'm all for people believing what they want if it makes them a decent human being.

That's the thing that makes me enjoy it the most. Whether you're Christian or not, Tebow's just a hell of a guy, hard worker, and a collegiate champion. Most would be lucky to have that guy watching their back, let alone playing for their professional team in this age of dysfunction and greed. Some can't get past the cross though. It creates a seething sensation inside them.

I'm not ashamed to admit, i rather enjoy watching their hatred build.

Long live Tebow!

bpc
08-01-2010, 12:04 PM
Im a religion hater and a huge Tebow fan. I can't wait to see him play, whats your point?

Glad some can get over their moral and spiritual bigotries. Congrats.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-01-2010, 12:06 PM
Glad some can get over their moral and spiritual bigotries. Congrats.

Whatever.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 12:06 PM
http://blog.denverbroncos.com/denverbroncos/2010-training-camp-day-1-a-m-blog/

Some decent tidbits from the am session.

epicSocialism4tw
08-01-2010, 12:07 PM
A couple of quick camp notes....

Orton looked to be the best quarterback out there, but everyone looked a little rusty as they usually do the first couple of practices, but every time Tebow would walk up to the line of scrimmage the crowd would go crazy... he would throw and incomplete pass and they would cheer wildly, Orton would complete a nice pass and people were still cheering for Tebow's water drinking abilities... Poor Orton gets no love.

How did Tebow look in terms of his size, running ability, toughness, etc.?

Does it translate against pro's?

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-01-2010, 12:10 PM
Seriously, thanks for the camp reporting to all. Kaylore, montrose, etc. Thank you. Great info even though i bust balls sometimes.

As for Tebow... part of me LOVES that some religion haters out there are forced to watch Tebow playing for this team. If their skin is crawling having to root for him, it makes me all that much more happier.

What a great Christian outlook for you to have.

Hogan11
08-01-2010, 12:13 PM
Apparently Quinn has his fair share of fans. Lots of ND jerseys in the crowd. Poor neckbeard.

That's better than seeing a bunch of ugly friggin' Gator rags running around camp. I'm hoping I don't see any of that Gator garbage when I'm out there. He signed, he's a Bronco now, give him a chance to get that Florida stink off for chrissakes!

bpc
08-01-2010, 12:14 PM
What a great Christian outlook for you to have.

My life is good. It is of no consequence to me that I merely laugh at a few lost souls. It's up to them to find their way, not mine.

In the meantime i'm pumped for a great young kid with a work ethic to match his talent, lining up under center for the Broncos. It would be awesome if we all could buy into that concept, regardless of religious affiliation.

Los Broncos
08-01-2010, 12:17 PM
Nice to see football back in the air, hopefully the injuries aren't to bad.

Thanks for the update guys, looking forward to the evening workout.

SonOfLe-loLang
08-01-2010, 12:17 PM
What a great Christian outlook for you to have.

Your avatar cracks me up. But wasnt there something he wouldn't do for love? I dont know the lyrics of the song well enough to know what it is though.

BroncoDoug
08-01-2010, 12:18 PM
and so it begins....the Tebownator
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs090.ash2/37838_512152129186_331500738_411234_588949_n.jpg

BDAWK
http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash2/hs095.ash2/38111_512152144156_331500738_411237_5358042_n.jpg

Orton...probably contemplating what team he is going to play for next year

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs211.snc4/38893_512152154136_331500738_411239_2622007_n.jpg

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-01-2010, 12:18 PM
My life is good. It is of no consequence to me that I merely laugh at a few lost souls. It's up to them to find their way, not mine.

In the meantime i'm pumped for a great young kid with a work ethic to match his talent, lining up under center for the Broncos. It would be awesome if we all could buy into that concept, regardless of religious affiliation.

Good for you. My life is good as well, and I don't need fairy tales to get there. To each his own.

If that makes me a "lost soul" in your book, so be it. I don't consider you "a lost soul," but then I don't judge people who have different beliefs than I do.

I'm excited for the Tebow era, and I think he'll be responsible for 10 touchdowns this year. I could care less if he prays to Jesus or Allah or whoever.

Br0nc0Buster
08-01-2010, 12:18 PM
That's better than seeing a bunch of ugly friggin' Gator rags running around camp. I'm hoping I don't see any of that Gator garbage when I'm out there. He signed, he's a Bronco now, give him a chance to get that Florida stink off for chrissakes!

unfortunately people are saying whenever Tebow completes a pass Gator fans were out there waiving their gator flags and gator gear

I think its annoying to

SpringStein
08-01-2010, 12:21 PM
Here was my report I posted at KFFL:

If you have never been to camp, it is impossible to see everything that goes on. There are two fields - and the one furthest away is impossible to watch much of anything. The field closest typically has two stations going on at the same time. So when it comes to drills, you can watch about 25% of the action.

During 11 on 11 drills, those are on the main field and CEH and I were sitting on the 45 yard line, so we had a pretty good view. Here are some of my observations, not that it has much bearing on the season - but Mingo told me I had to post a report!

Moreno getting hurt was the biggest, and worst, news of the day. It was right in front of us and he went down like he had been shot. There was no doubt it was a hammy - now the question will be if he is out for the preseason with a pull or out for the year with a tear. Now reports are that it may be an ACL??

The starting DL today was Bannan, Fields and McBean because Jarvis Green stood on the sideline and Jamal Williams was not practicing.

Walton was running with the first team at C. CEH saw him blow Fields downfield about 4-5 yards on one play. He has the body of a C, with very strong lower body strength. Beadles was starting at LG much of the time. I did not pay attention to who was starting at LT in Clady's spot - my bad.

Of the WRs I watched closely, Decker looked very comfortable and gets out of his breaks quickly. I was pleased that he looked as healthy as he did, I certainly did not observe him favoring his injured foot at all. Demaryius looks the part - but can't say he made a huge impression today either negatively or positively. He bobbled a couple passes but regained control. Willis made two excellent receptions on long passes in the 11 on 11 portion. Brandon Lloyd and Gaffney both look smooth.

Of the rbs, before he got hurt I thought Moreno looked quicker - but maybe I saw what I hoped to see! Kolby Smith made the best impression of the back-ups, Toney Baker didn't show much, but it was the rookie's first day.

Of the DBs I tried to watch Cox as much as possible. (The DBs were often on the far field, so the only time I watched them was during 11 on 11.) The first thing I noticed is that Perrish is a big CB - he looks to be all of 6'. He and Alphonso were running with the 2nd team at CB. I thought both held their own. There was not a KR or P drill at this practice, so did not see Cox in what may be his most important role this year. The funniest moment was when Dawkins broke up a pass, but he thought he should have intercepted it, so he dropped down for ten pushups - the crowd loved it!

The Tebow mania is over the top! There was a lot of blue/orange today as expected, but a good percentage of it was from Gatorland as well. I wasn't all that interested in watching the qbs, but they ended up in front of us more than anyone else. My expectations were that in passing drill, Tebow would be quite a bit off of what Orton and Quinn's standards would be. But I was surprised that he held his own - although he was a bit tentative in the 11 on 11s. Both Orton and Quinn had some good throws - but that always has to be tempered by the lack of pass rush and contact that is allowed. Perhaps the thing that surprised CEH and me the most was how often on Tebow's reps it was a run first offense. Probably about 70% of his reps in the 11 on 11s were run designed plays.

It was a large and enthusiastic crowd, with by FAR the most buzz for Tebow. We arrived an hour before practice started and it took us almost 40 minutes to wait in line and get to a seat. Feel free to ask questions, but really as I said earlier, there are quite a bit of limitations on what one person can see.

bpc
08-01-2010, 12:24 PM
Good for you. My life is good as well, and I don't need fairy tales to get there. To each his own.

If that makes me a "lost soul" in your book, so be it. I don't consider you "a lost soul," but then I don't judge people who have different beliefs than I do.

I'm excited for the Tebow era, and I think he'll be responsible for 10 touchdowns this year. I could care less if he prays to Jesus or Allah or whoever.

Excellent for you bud! I'm sincerely happy for you. Glad we're both on the same page with Tebow. I'm excited you have taken to rooting for him, when so many others who think like you are just bitter or blindly spew out hate.

SoCalBronco
08-01-2010, 12:26 PM
Thanks for that great report, Springstein.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 12:27 PM
Excellent for you bud! I'm sincerely happy for you. Glad we're both on the same page with Tebow. I'm excited you have taken to rooting for him, when so many others who think like you are just bitter or blindly spew out hate.

Can you keep the religion bs out of this thread. You don't have to derail the camp reports too dude.

SpringStein
08-01-2010, 12:28 PM
Thanks for that great report, Springstein.

No substitute for your great reports - sure hope you can be back here next year.

Hogan11
08-01-2010, 12:28 PM
unfortunately people are saying whenever Tebow completes a pass Gator fans were out there waiving their gator flags and gator gear

I think its annoying to

I absolutely HATE the Gators, the Tebow drafting does absolutely NOTHING to change this view. In fact, the more I see Tebow in Broncos gear, the less the Man makes me sick.

Hopefully, after year one, these jort wearing hicks will either disappear or get with the Broncos program.

Rabb
08-01-2010, 12:29 PM
I absolutely HATE the Gators, the Tebow drafting does absolutely NOTHING to change this view. In fact, the more I see Tebow in Broncos gear, the less the Man makes me sick.

Hopefully, after year one, these jort wearing hicks will either disappear or get with the Broncos program.

:rofl:

epicSocialism4tw
08-01-2010, 12:33 PM
I absolutely HATE the Gators, the Tebow drafting does absolutely NOTHING to change this view. In fact, the more I see Tebow in Broncos gear, the less the Man makes me sick.

Hopefully, after year one, these jort wearing hicks will either disappear or get with the Broncos program.

http://www.volnation.com/images/jorts.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
08-01-2010, 12:34 PM
Can I just reiterate how freakin' awesome Brian Dawkins is?
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Chicago+Bears+v+Denver+Broncos+SRzY6hzHI8Jl.jpg

bpc
08-01-2010, 12:44 PM
Can I just reiterate how freakin' awesome Brian Dawkins is?
http://www1.pictures.zimbio.com/gi/Chicago+Bears+v+Denver+Broncos+SRzY6hzHI8Jl.jpg

I do love some Brian Dawkers. I wish we could find the fountain of youth for that guy. He's fun to watch.

Blueflame
08-01-2010, 12:46 PM
I do love some Brian Dawkers. I wish we could find the fountain of youth for that guy. He's fun to watch.

Dawkins is a good athlete, but if we somehow found a fountain of youth, the first guy I'd want in line for a drink of the rejuvenating water... is #7.

bpc
08-01-2010, 12:48 PM
Can you keep the religion bs out of this thread. You don't have to derail the camp reports too dude.

I was merely commenting on other posts in this thread who were talking ish on Tebow for whatever reason, dealing w/ other people's ignorance.

Camp On >

Hogan11
08-01-2010, 12:49 PM
http://www.volnation.com/images/jorts.jpg

http://thecincinnatiman.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/gator-fans-and-jorts.jpeg

bpc
08-01-2010, 12:49 PM
Dawkins is a good athlete, but if we somehow found a fountain of youth, the first guy I'd want in line for a drink of the rejuvenating water... is #7.

No argument here.

Hamrob
08-01-2010, 12:54 PM
http://thecincinnatiman.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/05/gator-fans-and-jorts.jpegHey, is that Dexter in a Gators shirt?

SouthStndJunkie
08-01-2010, 01:05 PM
I do love some Brian Dawkers. I wish we could find the fountain of youth for that guy. He's fun to watch.

He's probably injecting the fountain of youth....HGH.

They start blood testing for that and the NFL will be up **** creek.

DarkHorse30
08-01-2010, 01:06 PM
Not true.

I first became a Denver Broncos fan in Elways first year. We didnt have a team in Oklahoma City and as a young child I kept seeing this dynamic guy leading an underdog team against a bunch of overdogs. I became a Broncos fan and have been since 1983. Elway hasnt been around in over 10 years.

I would venture that the term "bandwagon fan" is about as oxymoronic as "politically correct". If you FOLLOW a team, you are a fan of that team. Simple simon.

A lot of people start paying attention to a team around 12-13......and it's usually a good team that was popular. I started watching the big red machine in 6th grade and thought Pete Rose was the best player in baseball.....his gambling hasn't changed my opinion.....but I did change to the Mariners when Griffey was a rook.....does that mean I'm bandwagon mariner?

As I've said previously, Tebow puts Denver back on the map. How can you complain about that? More national games, more jerseys on the street and more fans in the seats....good, good and good.

Hogan11
08-01-2010, 01:07 PM
As I've said previously, Tebow puts Denver back on the map. How can you complain about that? More national games, more jerseys on the street and more fans in the seats....good, good and good.

As long as those jerseys aren't friggin Gator rags.....

That One Guy
08-01-2010, 02:06 PM
I would venture that the term "bandwagon fan" is about as oxymoronic as "politically correct". If you FOLLOW a team, you are a fan of that team. Simple simon.

A lot of people start paying attention to a team around 12-13......and it's usually a good team that was popular. I started watching the big red machine in 6th grade and thought Pete Rose was the best player in baseball.....his gambling hasn't changed my opinion.....but I did change to the Mariners when Griffey was a rook.....does that mean I'm bandwagon mariner?

As I've said previously, Tebow puts Denver back on the map. How can you complain about that? More national games, more jerseys on the street and more fans in the seats....good, good and good.

There's no such thing as bandwagon fans? That's silly. You're gonna say teams don't see an increase in ticket and merchandise sales when a team is doing well vs when they're sucking? You really think there was a similar percentage of SD fans 10 years ago as there are today? Saints fans? Heck, Colts fans?

Everyone has their own reasons for why they root for one team over another. That's absolutely fine. But to say someone like, say, Myers' father who posted here a few years back before the trade to Houston is just as much a fan as the next Bronco fan is naive. Bandwagon fans come and go as their motivation to be a fan does - be that winning, a player, etc. The true, heartfelt fans of the team are gonna be the ones still buying tickets when the rough stretch hits, attending games when the season is swirling in the porcelain and the Steelers are coming to town, etc.

Bandwagon fans do exist and if/when it ever motivates the coach and/or owner to consider playing an individual for the marketing or perception rather than because they're the best player on the field, it can actually become a detriment. Definitely not saying it will happen but just citing an example where we'd be better off to have Bronco fans than Tebow fans.

Los Broncos
08-01-2010, 02:10 PM
As long as those jerseys aren't friggin Gator rags.....

We should all wear Gator gear to the OM tailgate just to piss off Hogan :giggle:

oubronco
08-01-2010, 02:17 PM
A couple of quick camp notes....

Orton looked to be the best quarterback out there, but everyone looked a little rusty as they usually do the first couple of practices, but every time Tebow would walk up to the line of scrimmage the crowd would go crazy... he would throw and incomplete pass and they would cheer wildly, Orton would complete a nice pass and people were still cheering for Tebow's water drinking abilities... Poor Orton gets no love.

Just wait till Orton throws his first incomplete pass or heaven forbid INT the BooBirds will be going wild chanting for Mcd to put in Tebow

2KBack
08-01-2010, 02:22 PM
There's no such thing as bandwagon fans? That's silly. You're gonna say teams don't see an increase in ticket and merchandise sales when a team is doing well vs when they're sucking? You really think there was a similar percentage of SD fans 10 years ago as there are today? Saints fans? Heck, Colts fans?

Everyone has their own reasons for why they root for one team over another. That's absolutely fine. But to say someone like, say, Myers' father who posted here a few years back before the trade to Houston is just as much a fan as the next Bronco fan is naive. Bandwagon fans come and go as their motivation to be a fan does - be that winning, a player, etc. The true, heartfelt fans of the team are gonna be the ones still buying tickets when the rough stretch hits, attending games when the season is swirling in the porcelain and the Steelers are coming to town, etc.

Bandwagon fans do exist and if/when it ever motivates the coach and/or owner to consider playing an individual for the marketing or perception rather than because they're the best player on the field, it can actually become a detriment. Definitely not saying it will happen but just citing an example where we'd be better off to have Bronco fans than Tebow fans.

The only thing worse than fickle fans are elitist fans passing judgment on the validity of others.

montrose
08-01-2010, 02:31 PM
My thoughts on the practice:

1) Tebow brings a rock star feeling to the Broncos - I arrived an hour early and the line was all the way to Peoria St. By contrast, in years past if you showed up an hour early you'd likely be one of the first to get into camp. Also, even arriving late for the year's first weekend practice - generally the busiest of the year - didn't have a line as long as the one I was in an hour prior. Far and away more Tebow jerseys than any other player - Champ, Elway, anybody. Also, a lot of Gators fans there rocking their Florida swag. Orton was the first player to walk out to the field and he received a nice ovation, Tebow was 2nd and the place erupted. All practice long their were people going nuts for anything he did and as I left practice the team-record 3,000 plus in attendence were chanting "Tebow! Tebow!" I can't describe it, it was literally like 25% of the fans were their to see the Broncos and the other 75% were there to see Tebow... and the Broncos.

2) Moreno's injury looked bad - He caught a flare pass up the left sideline and made a juke up field and started going to the ground, fumbling the ball on the way down which brought a grown from the crowd. As soon as he hit, Goodman and Hill were above yelling for the trainer. He was down for about 3 minutes before being helped to his feet. He couldn't put much weight on his leg at all and was reaching for his right hammy - I got a picture of him reaching for it right in front of me. After he went on the cart, he slammed his gloves off in frustruation.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9075/1001701.jpg

3) McD seems to have backed off, a bit - Still in full pads but not quite as much hitting as last year and they spent a bit more time in full team drills than I remember last year. Physicality may seem less because the OL and DL were practicing on the other fields.

4) Quick Nuggets

* I thought Tebow looked awesome, when he throws touch passes their not very pretty but they get there. I didn't see any bad decisions and he threw a nice deep ball to Willis. His big highlights were his runs - some designed and some not. Geese he's athletic and I think his vision is underrated, he made a cut at one point that reminded me of TD. Quinn looked pretty good too, didn't notice any bad decisions and made most of his throws. Some were a little high or behind - but mostly he looked solid. Orton was Orton, only way I can describe it - he looked no different to me. Had one pass that should've been picked by Dawkins and threw a few bad passes but was mostly consistent in the offense.

* Lot of work for the 3 TEs today. Richard Quinn was ahead of Graham with the 1st team at the begining of practice and by the end, those two and Branson were rotating.

* Royal, Lloyd and Willis all had some nice catches today. Decker looks like such a solid athlete, just very smooth out there. He flat beat Cox on what would've been a deep TD but Cox tackled him early. Bay Bay is a thick dude! His calfs are huge, his build almost reminds me of Sharpe. I didn't see much of him behind just working on routes with the QBs.

* Liked what I saw from the backup RBs, not so much if their are starters but they showed some good stuff. Lance Ball is my favorite, he's a short, powerful guy - think MJD. Kolby Smith had a nice run on a cutback but was mostly bottled up. Baker runs with power and demolished Moss on a run.

Those are my immediate thoughts, camp is nuts - it really is the Tebow show right now. I think it's good for the team because it seems to really add pressure to every rep. The day was dampened by Knowshon's injury though, he was looking twice as quick and alert as last year and until he went out - I commented to my friend it looks as though the entire offense is running through him. They even used quite a bit of Knowshon split wide with Buck as the singleback.

bpc
08-01-2010, 02:35 PM
My thoughts on the practice:

1) Tebow brings a rock star feeling to the Broncos - I arrived an hour early and the line was all the way to Peoria St. By contrast, in years past if you showed up an hour early you'd likely be one of the first to get into camp. Also, even arriving late for the year's first weekend practice - generally the busiest of the year - didn't have a line as long as the one I was in an hour prior. Far and away more Tebow jerseys than any other player - Champ, Elway, anybody. Also, a lot of Gators fans there rocking their Florida swag. Orton was the first player to walk out to the field and he received a nice ovation, Tebow was 2nd and the place erupted. All practice long their were people going nuts for anything he did and as I left practice the team-record 3,000 plus in attendence were chanting "Tebow! Tebow!" I can't describe it, it was literally like 25% of the fans were their to see the Broncos and the other 75% were there to see Tebow... and the Broncos.

2) Moreno's injury looked bad - He caught a flare pass up the left sideline and made a juke up field and started going to the ground, fumbling the ball on the way down which brought a grown from the crowd. As soon as he hit, Goodman and Hill were above yelling for the trainer. He was down for about 3 minutes before being helped to his feet. He couldn't put much weight on his leg at all and was reaching for his right hammy - I got a picture of him reaching for it right in front of me. After he went on the cart, he slammed his gloves off in frustruation.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9075/1001701.jpg

3) McD seems to have backed off, a bit - Still in full pads but not quite as much hitting as last year and they spent a bit more time in full team drills than I remember last year. Physicality may seem less because the OL and DL were practicing on the other fields.

4) Quick Nuggets

* I thought Tebow looked awesome, when he throws touch passes their not very pretty but they get there. I didn't see any bad decisions and he threw a nice deep ball to Willis. His big highlights were his runs - some designed and some not. Geese he's athletic and I think his vision is underrated, he made a cut at one point that reminded me of TD. Quinn looked pretty good too, didn't notice any bad decisions and made most of his throws. Some were a little high or behind - but mostly he looked solid. Orton was Orton, only way I can describe it - he looked no different to me. Had one pass that should've been picked by Dawkins and threw a few bad passes but was mostly consistent in the offense.

* Lot of work for the 3 TEs today. Richard Quinn was ahead of Graham with the 1st team at the begining of practice and by the end, those two and Branson were rotating.

* Royal, Lloyd and Willis all had some nice catches today. Decker looks like such a solid athlete, just very smooth out there. He flat beat Cox on what would've been a deep TD but Cox tackled him early. Bay Bay is a thick dude! His calfs are huge, his build almost reminds me of Sharpe. I didn't see much of him behind just working on routes with the QBs.

* Liked what I saw from the backup RBs, not so much if their are starters but they showed some good stuff. Lance Ball is my favorite, he's a short, powerful guy - think MJD. Kolby Smith had a nice run on a cutback but was mostly bottled up. Baker runs with power and demolished Moss on a run.

Those are my immediate thoughts, camp is nuts - it really is the Tebow show right now. I think it's good for the team because it seems to really add pressure to every rep. The day was dampened by Knowshon's injury though, he was looking twice as quick and alert as last year and until he went out - I commented to my friend it looks as though the entire offense is running through him. They even used quite a bit of Knowshon split wide with Buck as the singleback.

Great observations. Thank you.

That One Guy
08-01-2010, 02:44 PM
The only thing worse than fickle fans are elitist fans passing judgment on the validity of others.

But, in respect to the post you commented on, the elitist judging fan will still be buying tickets long after the bandwagon fan has moved his loyalties to another team. We're still where we were before your post.

McDman
08-01-2010, 02:48 PM
Some reporter on 104.3 talked to someone close to Knowshon and said it isn't as serious as it seems, no tear.

2KBack
08-01-2010, 02:55 PM
But, in respect to the post you commented on, the elitist judging fan will still be buying tickets long after the bandwagon fan has moved his loyalties to another team. We're still where we were before your post.

and new "bandwagon" fans will always replace those that leave. No fan is more important than the next. It is incredibly arrogant to assume that you are any better than any other fan, no matter the reason they cheer.

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 03:00 PM
My thoughts on the practice:

1) Tebow brings a rock star feeling to the Broncos - I arrived an hour early and the line was all the way to Peoria St. By contrast, in years past if you showed up an hour early you'd likely be one of the first to get into camp. Also, even arriving late for the year's first weekend practice - generally the busiest of the year - didn't have a line as long as the one I was in an hour prior. Far and away more Tebow jerseys than any other player - Champ, Elway, anybody. Also, a lot of Gators fans there rocking their Florida swag. Orton was the first player to walk out to the field and he received a nice ovation, Tebow was 2nd and the place erupted. All practice long their were people going nuts for anything he did and as I left practice the team-record 3,000 plus in attendence were chanting "Tebow! Tebow!" I can't describe it, it was literally like 25% of the fans were their to see the Broncos and the other 75% were there to see Tebow... and the Broncos.

2) Moreno's injury looked bad - He caught a flare pass up the left sideline and made a juke up field and started going to the ground, fumbling the ball on the way down which brought a grown from the crowd. As soon as he hit, Goodman and Hill were above yelling for the trainer. He was down for about 3 minutes before being helped to his feet. He couldn't put much weight on his leg at all and was reaching for his right hammy - I got a picture of him reaching for it right in front of me. After he went on the cart, he slammed his gloves off in frustruation.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9075/1001701.jpg

3) McD seems to have backed off, a bit - Still in full pads but not quite as much hitting as last year and they spent a bit more time in full team drills than I remember last year. Physicality may seem less because the OL and DL were practicing on the other fields.

4) Quick Nuggets

* I thought Tebow looked awesome, when he throws touch passes their not very pretty but they get there. I didn't see any bad decisions and he threw a nice deep ball to Willis. His big highlights were his runs - some designed and some not. Geese he's athletic and I think his vision is underrated, he made a cut at one point that reminded me of TD. Quinn looked pretty good too, didn't notice any bad decisions and made most of his throws. Some were a little high or behind - but mostly he looked solid. Orton was Orton, only way I can describe it - he looked no different to me. Had one pass that should've been picked by Dawkins and threw a few bad passes but was mostly consistent in the offense.

* Lot of work for the 3 TEs today. Richard Quinn was ahead of Graham with the 1st team at the begining of practice and by the end, those two and Branson were rotating.

* Royal, Lloyd and Willis all had some nice catches today. Decker looks like such a solid athlete, just very smooth out there. He flat beat Cox on what would've been a deep TD but Cox tackled him early. Bay Bay is a thick dude! His calfs are huge, his build almost reminds me of Sharpe. I didn't see much of him behind just working on routes with the QBs.

* Liked what I saw from the backup RBs, not so much if their are starters but they showed some good stuff. Lance Ball is my favorite, he's a short, powerful guy - think MJD. Kolby Smith had a nice run on a cutback but was mostly bottled up. Baker runs with power and demolished Moss on a run.

Those are my immediate thoughts, camp is nuts - it really is the Tebow show right now. I think it's good for the team because it seems to really add pressure to every rep. The day was dampened by Knowshon's injury though, he was looking twice as quick and alert as last year and until he went out - I commented to my friend it looks as though the entire offense is running through him. They even used quite a bit of Knowshon split wide with Buck as the singleback.

Week one starter:

Tim Tebow

gunns
08-01-2010, 03:06 PM
That's the thing that makes me enjoy it the most. Whether you're Christian or not, Tebow's just a hell of a guy, hard worker, and a collegiate champion. Most would be lucky to have that guy watching their back, let alone playing for their professional team in this age of dysfunction and greed. Some can't get past the cross though. It creates a seething sensation inside them.

I'm not ashamed to admit, i rather enjoy watching their hatred build.

Long live Tebow!

I have seen far fewer people that have a problem with Tebow's religious tendencies. Most that have a problem with Tebow didn't like the pick, don't think he'll pan out. Yes a lot poke fun at it but I don't see it as hatred. Seems that most that see those that have a problem with Tebow's religious slant have had to look hard to enjoy watching hatred.

oubronco
08-01-2010, 03:06 PM
I for one really appreciate all the camp reports :thumbsup:

keep em coming

SonOfLe-loLang
08-01-2010, 03:07 PM
Week one starter:

Tim Tebow

I'd be pretty surprised, but ill bet ya he scores a TD in that first game

oubronco
08-01-2010, 03:12 PM
Week one starter:

Tim Tebow

NO WAY!! get real it's one practice NFL defenses are alot different from the first camp practice defense

Los Broncos
08-01-2010, 03:14 PM
I'd be pretty surprised, but ill bet ya he scores a TD in that first game

Jacksonville will go nuts.

Homer Simpson
08-01-2010, 03:20 PM
I for one really appreciate all the camp reports :thumbsup:

keep em coming

I would like to echo this statement. I plan on going to a few 530 practices, plus the Invesco one but don't have the journalistic savvy like Kay or montrose.

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 03:35 PM
NO WAY!! get real it's one practice NFL defenses are alot different from the first camp practice defense

NO WAY REALLY?>!?!?!?

Tell me more!!!!!!!!!!!

Jay3
08-01-2010, 04:18 PM
Hey guys, fantastic thread! I tip my hat to Kaylore, SpringStein, and montrose for some really informative scoop!

I've been lurking here, on suspension from Broncos Country, and someone PM'd me that this was the goto place. They were right.

I'm a new Broncos fan, but I've gone over the edge -- bought three hats, booked my ticket for the Titans game in October, and watching Twitter and boards all day long during OTA's and now camp.

It's never felt like this before; I'm a longtime NFL junkie (Panthers are my "home" team), but the way Tebow got drafted by the perfect team (one I've always loved and respected from afar), a new coach who's an offensive genius and a quarterback guru, PLUS the age of information seems to have fully arrived. All the tweets, videos, NFL Network stuff --- my fandom has reached a pitch like never before.

It feels weird -- like this is the year it all come together, the technology, the player (the Tebow Phenomenon), and the right team for me.

Thanks for the updates!

(BTW -- I was at Panthers training camp last night and got a close up gander at Jimmy Clausen).

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 04:23 PM
NO WAY REALLY?>!?!?!?

Tell me more!!!!!!!!!!!

See, it's like this: Teams just started practicing, (that's where they rehearse their plays to try and see how could players are and what works and what doesn't) and so they are kind of rusting because they haven't been together really hitting since the season ended. Since this is all kind of new, it's not a good gauge, and so we might need one more good practice and then we can say with absolute certainty that Tebow will start week one - especially if he has another good running play.

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 04:24 PM
Hey guys, fantastic thread! I tip my hat to Kaylore, SpringStein, and montrose for some really informative scoop!

I've been lurking here, on suspension from Broncos Country
Woah! What for?

Jay3
08-01-2010, 04:34 PM
Woah! What for?

Nothing bad, they kind of have this CP system over there that encourages a massive echo chamber with the mods. I never call names or even denigrate other posters (I'm sort of a Ned Flanders type), but they kept dinging over substantive disagreements.

This one mod just kept coming after me and taking me on, and I told him let's just stay apart. He said I shouldn't have started a "conversation" with him if I wasn't prepared to finish it. I then quoted the post that showed he was the one that engaged with me, and that just did it -- he went through the thread, deleted all the posts (it was total pwn3ge on him), and had his fellow mod give me an infraction.

It said (edited)Do not call out the site staff.


you've given me neg points on multiple occasions, and infractions, in in my opinion used that power with poor judgment.
Perhaps in the future, you will choose your words more carefully.




2 days later, someone else posted an "I apologize" thread to the same mod who had infracted me, and I posted one line -- "Hey guys, post in this thread if ______ gave you infraction."

Then another mod gave me 60 days suspension. They deleted the post.

It said:

Jay3, bashing the site staff is simply unacceptable. Whatever issue you have with the moderators, it's time to let it go, or use the "contact us" link at the bottom of the page. However, this public battle you're staging with the site staff won't go on any longer.

The moderators volunteer their time to keep this place running, and I can personally vouch for the job they do.

You will return from suspension before the season begins. You'll even be able to discuss Training Camp and preseason. However, the minute you return, I expect you to leave the snide remarks out of your posting from here on out.


Heh, heh, it's fun to tattle.

Jay3
08-01-2010, 04:39 PM
Jacksonville will go nuts.

The double whammy -- knowing that you're team is stupid for not taking him, but also knowing that you're almost happy for Tebow that he didn't get sucked into the rathole with you.

DarkHorse30
08-01-2010, 04:42 PM
Bandwagon fans do exist and if/when it ever motivates the coach and/or owner to consider playing an individual for the marketing or perception rather than because they're the best player on the field, it can actually become a detriment. Definitely not saying it will happen but just citing an example where we'd be better off to have Bronco fans than Tebow fans.

..."motivates the coach"? Are you high? So.....the coach does informal polling on what "the fans" want......and then discerns which ones are "true" and which ones are "bandwagon" and then proceeds.....brilliant. I love a great arguement like this one.

Jay3
08-01-2010, 04:52 PM
I can understand a longtime fan being a little sickened by the Tebow-love, but really it happens every year in the NFL. Fan bases in the NFL can be national, and everybody hops on at some point.

In my mind, a "bandwagon" 'fan is really one that "hops on" when you're winning or contending for a Super Bowl, then bails. If the fan comes early, stays late, and is there supporting the team through rough times, mediocre times, and all the rest -- well then that's what you want.

(You may not want to listen to his blather at first, but he'll get there).

DHallblows
08-01-2010, 04:53 PM
Jay3:
Hahaha I assume you have noticed the strict respect we here, too, show our mods? Whether it be Taco's racism, Blue's blatant alcoholism or SoCal's "questionable" night life ( :wiggle: ). We wouldn't dare speak out of line So you best keep that foul language to yourself, Jay3!




KIDDING, I love you all...except Old Dude

2KBack
08-01-2010, 04:56 PM
I can understand a longtime fan being a little sickened by the Tebow-love, but really it happens every year in the NFL. Fan bases in the NFL can be national, and everybody hops on at some point.

In my mind, a "bandwagon" 'fan is really one that "hops on" when you're winning or contending for a Super Bowl, then bails. If the fan comes early, stays late, and is there supporting the team through rough times, mediocre times, and all the rest -- well then that's what you want.

(You may not want to listen to his blather at first, but he'll get there).

You are more than welcome here dude. Most of use don't care how long or what motivated someone to become a fan. Just keep cheering.

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 05:00 PM
See, it's like this: Teams just started practicing, (that's where they rehearse their plays to try and see how could players are and what works and what doesn't) and so they are kind of rusting because they haven't been together really hitting since the season ended. Since this is all kind of new, it's not a good gauge, and so we might need one more good practice and then we can say with absolute certainty that Tebow will start week one - especially if he has another good running play.

Nope.

OTA's = Hall of Fame

Requiem
08-01-2010, 05:00 PM
Welcome to the forums, Jay3 -- and don't worry about Broncos Country. This is the place to be. You won't have to worry about goons like Alastor over here.

snowspot66
08-01-2010, 05:08 PM
Jay3, read the Floyd Little article in Sports Illustrated if you haven't yet. If you're jumping on the wagon you have a lot of stuff to catch up on.

Natedogg
08-01-2010, 05:09 PM
Welcome to the forums, Jay3 -- and don't worry about Broncos Country. This is the place to be. You won't have to worry about goons like Alastor over here.

Welcome to the Orange Mane.

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Rabb
08-01-2010, 05:11 PM
OMG that video...I am dying

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 05:12 PM
Yeah have you heard of Jhns? Mock? Lex? every board has them. Welcome to the forums, Jay3 -- and don't worry about Broncos Country. This is the place to be. You won't have to worry about goons like Alastor over here.

KipCorrington25
08-01-2010, 05:16 PM
A couple of quick camp notes....

Orton looked to be the best quarterback out there, but everyone looked a little rusty as they usually do the first couple of practices, but every time Tebow would walk up to the line of scrimmage the crowd would go crazy... he would throw and incomplete pass and they would cheer wildly, Orton would complete a nice pass and people were still cheering for Tebow's water drinking abilities... Poor Orton gets no love.

Well that's because we've seen Orton in game action.

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 05:17 PM
OMG that video...I am dying

You missed the Jessi Slaughter saga?

Terrible, wrong and vindicating all rolled into one:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/jessi-slaughter-you-dun-goofd-consequences-will-never-be-the-same

Bigdawg26
08-01-2010, 05:19 PM
That video is hilarious lol! One thing you gotta love about Orange Mane is that we have some funny guys on this board!!

jsco70
08-01-2010, 05:20 PM
Week one starter:

Tim Tebow

Not sure if you're serious, but I think it's going to be difficult for McD to keep Tebow out of the starting lineup presuming he can handle the basics - get the play called, ensure players are in right spots, call out blitzers etc. McD will want his playmaking ability on the field at all times. Particularly if Tebow has some big plays in the preseason games. In all it's simple..coaches want playmakers on the field.

Jerry Curl
08-01-2010, 05:23 PM
You done goofed up!

Jay3
08-01-2010, 05:23 PM
That video spawned the "Consequences will never be the same!" meme, which seems to have legs.

Jay3
08-01-2010, 05:34 PM
. His big highlights were his runs - some designed and some not. Geese he's athletic and I think his vision is underrated, he made a cut at one point that reminded me of TD.

That's one thing I think people miss if they've only followed Tebow's career casually or from Youtube highlights. He is a freakishly instinctive runner, particularly in a crowded field. He's one of those guys that mostly never gets hit clean while running, always taking a very natural cut and getting positive yardage.

He'll need to pick his spots in the NFL for wear and tear reasons, but he's got exactly the kind of running skills to compliment a passing game.

Tell the truth: even right now, while Tebow'ss green, imagine Orton leading the Broncos down the field, running plays, passing plays, etc. Orton throws a 22 yard completion and it's 1st and goal on the 7 yard line. Let's say the game is on the line.

The crowd's murmur builds to a roar as Tebow comes in from the sideline. I don't care who you are on defense, Ray Lewis, anybody. In that situation, a little part of you has gotta go "Aw crap. . . we've got to stop Broncos from making 7 yards with four tries, and Tebow will be back there for all four tries."

Not many rookies change the equation from day one, but I think Tebow does in that setting. And then once you realize it's 1st and 10 on every possession, you build out the game plan from there. Football is about forcing the defense to make hard choices.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 05:37 PM
That video spawned the "Consequences will never be the same!" meme, which seems to have legs.

Welcome to the site Jay3! Screw Broncos Country I wouldn't go back that place sucks arse.

I have never seen that video! How awesome that she has a dad who clearly watched a lot of WWF and specifically Hulk Hogan. He was channeling his inner wrestler.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-01-2010, 05:38 PM
Nothing bad, they kind of have this CP system over there that encourages a massive echo chamber with the mods. I never call names or even denigrate other posters (I'm sort of a Ned Flanders type), but they kept dinging over substantive disagreements.

This one mod just kept coming after me and taking me on, and I told him let's just stay apart. He said I shouldn't have started a "conversation" with him if I wasn't prepared to finish it. I then quoted the post that showed he was the one that engaged with me, and that just did it -- he went through the thread, deleted all the posts (it was total pwn3ge on him), and had his fellow mod give me an infraction.

It said (edited)




2 days later, someone else posted an "I apologize" thread to the same mod who had infracted me, and I posted one line -- "Hey guys, post in this thread if ______ gave you infraction."

Then another mod gave me 60 days suspension. They deleted the post.

It said:




Heh, heh, it's fun to tattle.

HA. That's awesome.

They did the same thing to me... which mod was it? I don't even bother with that place anymore, some of the mods are just absurd.

El Guapo
08-01-2010, 05:40 PM
Welcome aboard Jay3; enjoy the ride!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-01-2010, 05:42 PM
Welcome to the Orange Mane.

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I KNEW it! Jhns, you're a chick!

McDman
08-01-2010, 05:43 PM
Nothing bad, they kind of have this CP system over there that encourages a massive echo chamber with the mods. I never call names or even denigrate other posters (I'm sort of a Ned Flanders type), but they kept dinging over substantive disagreements.

This one mod just kept coming after me and taking me on, and I told him let's just stay apart. He said I shouldn't have started a "conversation" with him if I wasn't prepared to finish it. I then quoted the post that showed he was the one that engaged with me, and that just did it -- he went through the thread, deleted all the posts (it was total pwn3ge on him), and had his fellow mod give me an infraction.

It said (edited)




2 days later, someone else posted an "I apologize" thread to the same mod who had infracted me, and I posted one line -- "Hey guys, post in this thread if ______ gave you infraction."

Then another mod gave me 60 days suspension. They deleted the post.

It said:




Heh, heh, it's fun to tattle.

I got in trouble over there for making fun of a guy that put a picture of himself up wearing jorts.

El Guapo
08-01-2010, 05:45 PM
haha!

Jay3
08-01-2010, 05:49 PM
HA. That's awesome.

They did the same thing to me... which mod was it? I don't even bother with that place anymore, some of the mods are just absurd.

The one that kept jonesing for me was Alastor. But the two major infractions he went and got another mod I didn't know to do the deed. (And deliver the condescending lecture).

Do they even read what they're typing? The number one infraction over there is "failure to cower before a mod." They let all kinds of trolling and insults go (especially their own).

Anyway, not to dwell -- I cam to lurk here and things were a little light on activity at first. But now with training camp the details posted here are awesome!

Jay3
08-01-2010, 05:50 PM
I got in trouble over there for making fun of a guy that put a picture of himself up wearing jorts.

Well, the probabilities say that could very well be Tebow, and in that case I say "DELIVER THE BAN!!!"

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 05:56 PM
Just texted Montrose, team is stretching right now. Clearly Knowshon going down made the team start stretching. Because you know if they had stretched earlier it wouldn't have happened!

Jay3
08-01-2010, 05:59 PM
Does Montrose tweet? He should.

Jay3
08-01-2010, 06:00 PM
I can't believe I've become one of those people who uses "tweet" as a verb. It took football to bring me around.

This is why technology exists. To bring us more information about football.

gtown
08-01-2010, 06:02 PM
I KNEW it! Jhns, you're a chick!

You've been reported to the cyberpolice because I backtraced it.

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 06:04 PM
I got in trouble over there for making fun of a guy that put a picture of himself up wearing jorts.

I know that thread. The dude all decked out in Bronco gear that said "this is how I roll every day!" And of course everyone had to tell him it looked normal and awesome or get banned. That's basically as bad as the kick me sign gag.

bronco militia
08-01-2010, 06:04 PM
Tebow taking reps with the ones.


http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2009/0903/20090903__BroncosOrton090309~p1.jpg

we need a new thread ;D

Rabb
08-01-2010, 06:09 PM
You missed the Jessi Slaughter saga?

Terrible, wrong and vindicating all rolled into one:

http://knowyourmeme.com/memes/jessi-slaughter-you-dun-goofd-consequences-will-never-be-the-same

wow...I cannot believe I missed this, pure gold

thanks Rev

Archer81
08-01-2010, 06:23 PM
http://tinyurl.com/2962lx2

Uhh...our mods are like...Uhh awesome and Uhh stuff...

:Broncos:

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 06:24 PM
Ok folks getting the texts from Montrose

Right now he is seeing WR's vs DB's


Lloyd beat cox on a great play
BayBay beat Jones for a nice catch
Zo has made a few pass breakups and almost an INT


More to come

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 06:29 PM
Eddie Royal is embarrassing Jones
BayBay muscled Carter on press coverage for a nice catch


So far the theme with BayBay is he is using his size and power.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 06:37 PM
Now they are moving to 11 v 11 drills

Lloyd beat Champ on a nice dig route

oubronco
08-01-2010, 06:38 PM
Just texted Montrose, team is stretching right now. Clearly Knowshon going down made the team start stretching. Because you know if they had stretched earlier it wouldn't have happened!

Awesome

Jay3
08-01-2010, 06:39 PM
Can anyone comment on the level of hitting going on in the trenches? Even though it's full pads, does McD have them just lock up and grapple? What does a play-ending "tackle" look like? Just a firm touch, a lock up, and a whistle?

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 06:39 PM
Seems like the offense has the upper hand as usual starting camp.

meangene
08-01-2010, 06:40 PM
Week one starter:

Tim Tebow

I agree. It may seem a little unlikely now, but, by the end of camp, it will not be a surprise.

Jay3
08-01-2010, 06:40 PM
Seems like the offense has the upper hand as usual starting camp.

As I mentioned above, I went to the Panthers last night, and it was indeed a torchfest.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 06:41 PM
McD just pulled Decker out of the play because he wasn't lining up right. Dumb Rookie

Jay3 I asked Montrose will let you know.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 06:46 PM
Montrose says its full contact.

Jay3
08-01-2010, 06:50 PM
Wow. First day.

oubronco
08-01-2010, 06:51 PM
I like it toughen them sumbeeches up

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 06:51 PM
Yep McD said in his press conference this morning that there were 30 guys in the cold tub!

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 06:54 PM
Marquez Branson smoked Brian Dawkins over the middle.

Dawkins then ripped out his sole mentored it and returned it to Branson. He is a better person for that experience.

DivineBronco
08-01-2010, 06:55 PM
Marquez Branson smoked Brian Dawkins over the middle.

Dawkins then ripped out his sole mentored it and returned it to Branson. He is a better person for that experience.
HAHA sweet

oubronco
08-01-2010, 06:56 PM
Marquez Branson smoked Brian Dawkins over the middle.

Dawkins then ripped out his sole mentored it and returned it to Branson. He is a better person for that experience.

Sure it wasn't Tebow who mentored it

Rock Chalk
08-01-2010, 06:59 PM
Marquez Branson smoked Brian Dawkins over the middle.

Dawkins then ripped out his sole mentored it and returned it to Branson. He is a better person for that experience.

Are you talking about his SOUL or the bottom of his shoe?

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 06:59 PM
Ok I am not so sure I believe this next text:

Kyle Orton bootleg pass to Dan Graham for a huge play!

epicSocialism4tw
08-01-2010, 06:59 PM
Marquez Branson smoked Brian Dawkins over the middle.

Dawkins then ripped out his sole mentored it and returned it to Branson. He is a better person for that experience.

Were Bransons' shoes that bad? ;D

gyldenlove
08-01-2010, 07:00 PM
Are you talking about his SOUL or the bottom of his shoe?

Both, Dawkins yanked Branson's soul out through the bottom of his shoe, then proceded to teach it a thing or two before patching everything back up.

epicSocialism4tw
08-01-2010, 07:00 PM
Ok I am not so sure I believe this next tweet:

Kyle Orton bootleg pass to Dan Graham for a huge play!

That had to be the slowest play of all time.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 07:00 PM
Are you talking about his SOUL or the bottom of his shoe?

Dawkins leaves no stone unturned he did infact mentor his sole.

Yeah I used the wrong word but the mental image made me laugh so I didn't edit it!

gyldenlove
08-01-2010, 07:01 PM
Ok I am not so sure I believe this next tweet:

Kyle Orton bootleg pass to Dan Graham for a huge play!

Are we sure that Tebow hasn't miracled the gatorade? sounds like Montrose may have had a bit more than what is good for him.

Jay3
08-01-2010, 07:01 PM
Ok I am not so sure I believe this next tweet:

Kyle Orton bootleg pass to Dan Graham for a huge play!

Any way you could lay down a Twitter address for him?

gyldenlove
08-01-2010, 07:01 PM
That had to be the slowest play of all time.

Like watching the Clady screen pass in slow motion.

Rock Chalk
08-01-2010, 07:02 PM
Dawkins leaves no stone unturned he did infact mentor his sole.

Yeah I used the wrong word but the mental image made me laugh so I didn't edit it!

Fair enough.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 07:02 PM
Any way you could lay down a Twitter address for him?

My bad I was reading tweets in between updates. Tweet was supposed to be text. Montrose doesn't Twitter.

Sorry about the confusion.

epicSocialism4tw
08-01-2010, 07:04 PM
Like watching the Clady screen pass in slow motion.

I imagine it being similar to the old vibrating football game where you flip a switch and the players just kind of slowly scoot about the field.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 07:04 PM
Finally a positive defensive text.

Jarvis Greene totally blew up a running play.

Rock Chalk
08-01-2010, 07:04 PM
My bad I was reading tweets in between updates. Tweet was supposed to be text. Montrose doesn't Twitter.

Sorry about the confusion.

We know montrose doesn't twitter. Poor dude really needs a good twat :)

oubronco
08-01-2010, 07:05 PM
Ok I am not so sure I believe this next text:

Kyle Orton bootleg pass to Dan Graham for a huge play!

memories ;D

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 07:11 PM
Jabar just burned Perrish Cox for an 80 yd TD. Yep the Offense being better at the start of camp trend is in full force.

oubronco
08-01-2010, 07:13 PM
Jabar just burned Perrish Cox for an 80 yd TD. Yep the Offense being better at the start of camp trend is in full force.

Who was the QB

Requiem
08-01-2010, 07:14 PM
Thanks, McApa -- and to Montrose as well. TECHNOLOGY WIN.

Jay3
08-01-2010, 07:16 PM
Montrose is only able to get us real time info with texts. This must have been what it was like for our parents during training camp.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 07:17 PM
Who was the QB

Sorry it was Orton, another must have been a 10 yard out and then a missed tackle! :thanku:

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 07:18 PM
Ok this is more like it.

Lloyd blow by Goodman and Orton under threw him!

And the fans starting chanting Tebow.

Kaylore
08-01-2010, 07:19 PM
Seems like the offense has the upper hand as usual starting camp.
Its usually the opposite. The defense always out-performs the offense because the offense is so based on rhythm and timing that it takes a good week before they get going. If the offense keeps looking good early, its not a good sign for our defense. Sad face.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 07:19 PM
Which I think is pretty low rent.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 07:20 PM
Its usually the opposite. The defense always out-performs the offense because the offense is so based on rhythm and timing that it takes a good week before they get going. If the offense keeps looking good early, its not a good sign for our defense. Sad face.

I was just thinking I had it backwards, sorry about that and thanks for the clarification.

Sorry I am trying to post as fast as I can with the updates and am not at my best!

oubronco
08-01-2010, 07:21 PM
Ok this is more like it.

Lloyd blow by Goodman and Orton under threw him!

And the fans starting chanting Tebow.

Oh Good Grief this is going to get old fast

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 07:22 PM
Tebow had another great run with a spin move thrown in.


30 women just conceived having watched that miracle :)

Traveler
08-01-2010, 07:23 PM
Its usually the opposite. The defense always out-performs the offense because the offense is so based on rhythm and timing that it takes a good week before they get going. If the offense keeps looking good early, its not a good sign for our defense. Sad face.

Maybe that's not a bad thing. We've seen too many fast starts only to see the defense wilt towards the end of the season.

2KBack
08-01-2010, 07:24 PM
Its usually the opposite. The defense always out-performs the offense because the offense is so based on rhythm and timing that it takes a good week before they get going. If the offense keeps looking good early, its not a good sign for our defense. Sad face.

Bright side Khan, bright side.

it means we are looking at a offensive resurgence.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 07:24 PM
Seems like the offense has the upper hand as usual starting camp.

Defense usually has the upper hand... Offense works on timing and usually takes a week or so to really get going.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 07:26 PM
Defense usually has the upper hand... Offense works on timing and usually takes a week or so to really get going.

Yep as Kaylore pointed out I had it backwards. Got mixed up as I was trying to keep the Mane updated, make playdoh houses with my daughter, and eat!

Multitasking not working so well tonight!

bronco militia
08-01-2010, 07:28 PM
ok this is more like it.

Lloyd blow by goodman and orton under threw him!

And the fans starting chanting tebow.

awesome

BlaK-Argentina
08-01-2010, 07:33 PM
Stop bothering Apa and let him post damnit! :D

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 07:36 PM
Ok I just asked Montrose what he thought about Offense vs. Defense. He says that offense wins on 1v1 drills but defense is winning as a unit.

Just didn't translate through the texts.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 07:49 PM
Yep as Kaylore pointed out I had it backwards. Got mixed up as I was trying to keep the Mane updated, make playdoh houses with my daughter, and eat!

Multitasking not working so well tonight!

Not bagging on you buddy, just a bit behind and reading all of your posts and commenting as I go. Started to wonder myself if I had it backwards with everyone agreeing with you ;). Usually I would be reading your posts as you typed them!!! But had to dial into a prep meeting for this weeks review we have going at work. You up for camp next weekend or have to wait for the week? You and Khan let me know and we'll schedule our 'play date'. Bring some of that play-doh too, may get hungry during practice! ;)

thanks for posting all of the texts too btw, you da man... But you already knew that!

ro_50
08-01-2010, 07:53 PM
Thanks for the updates as usual, you guys do a great job!

I'm interested to see how Walton does at center. He's the one I'm keeping my eye on in terms of the rookies.

And Gaffney among the veterans.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 07:54 PM
Not bagging on you buddy, just a bit behind and reading all of your posts and commenting as I go. Started to wonder myself if I had it backwards with everyone agreeing with you ;). Usually I would be reading your posts as you typed them!!! But had to dial into a prep meeting for this weeks review we have going at work. You up for camp next weekend or have to wait for the week? You and Khan let me know and we'll schedule our 'play date'. Bring some of that play-doh too, may get hungry during practice! ;)

thanks for posting all of the texts too btw, you da man... But you already knew that!

I know you weren't bagging me! I had just responded to Kaylore's correction when I saw yours! Thats why I mentioned it.

Anyways practice has ended for the day folks and here is Montrose's last text:

Yeah practice is over and Tebow is carrying Orton's pads!

Hulamau
08-01-2010, 07:55 PM
As I mentioned above, I went to the Panthers last night, and it was indeed a torchfest.

How did Clausen look?

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 08:04 PM
I know you weren't bagging me! I had just responded to Kaylore's correction when I saw yours! Thats why I mentioned it.

Anyways practice has ended for the day folks and here is Montrose's last text:

Yeah practice is over and Tebow is carrying Orton's pads!

That is b/c he knows his role as a rookie! I wonder which groups were signing autos and whether they sent the rookies out yet? That was a highlight of camp last year as you never had that with Shanny. Instead you had a couple players behind a building (next to the wall of port-a-potties) that would sign. The kids would wait in those lines for two hours, missing all of practice and hoping that it would be a "cool" player as they didn't say who would be signing. I have a hat with every one of last year's rookie sigs. Eveyone except that OL that was cut early!

Hulamau
08-01-2010, 08:05 PM
Its usually the opposite. The defense always out-performs the offense because the offense is so based on rhythm and timing that it takes a good week before they get going. If the offense keeps looking good early, its not a good sign for our defense. Sad face.

Thats my recollection too Kalore that the D is usually kicking azz and taking names the first few days.

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 08:06 PM
How did Clausen look?

Probably a lot like Cutler... Too cool too good too arrogant!

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 08:09 PM
Thats my recollection too Kalore that the D is usually kicking azz and taking names the first few days.

Not in the one on ones tho... When they go 11 on 11s the defense rules. It will be like that for a little while, but I bet Tebow's ability to run will give them some fits.

oubronco
08-01-2010, 08:11 PM
Not in the one on ones tho... When they go 11 on 11s the defense rules. It will be like that for a little while, but I bet Tebow's ability to run will give them some fits.

Until the defense gets tired of it and lights his ass up this isn't college no more

Broncoman13
08-01-2010, 08:16 PM
Until the defense gets tired of it and lights his ass up this isn't college no more

All that will do his get the whole team amped up b/c Tebow will roll with it and keep giving his all. I know it's hard for some of you to accept, but Tebow is a hoss and there is a reason many consider him the best leader of all time in the NCAA!

Jay3
08-01-2010, 08:17 PM
How did Clausen look?

Matt Moore looked more in command, and threw several balls that caused a gasp they were so good (threaded the needle but the guy truly popped open while the ball was in the air). I don't think Clausen is going to beat him out.

But Clausen is the clear #2, and right there with him. Looked accurate. Not a lot of snap to the ball.

Clausen just looks a little small to me. The guys that look small at the next level, they seem to not pan out. Something about that presence. I remember when Heath Shuler went first overall, I thought he was a great. First time I saw him in preseason he looked like tiny man. Same with Alex Smith.

Here's a video on Youtube I took of Jimmy signing autographs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Gu5r198pQ

broncosteven
08-01-2010, 08:17 PM
Who was the LT with the 1's? I didn't want to wade through all the religion posts again.

Walton was C, Kuper and Harris on the right who was LG and LT?

Thanks again to all those taking the time to post reports and reposting texts.

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 08:29 PM
Who was the LT with the 1's? I didn't want to wade through all the religion posts again.

Walton was C, Kuper and Harris on the right who was LG and LT?

Thanks again to all those taking the time to post reports and reposting texts.

I think it was stated that Tyler Polumbus was at LT. But I need to verify to be 100% sure.

McDman
08-01-2010, 08:29 PM
Who was the LT with the 1's? I didn't want to wade through all the religion posts again.

Walton was C, Kuper and Harris on the right who was LG and LT?

Thanks again to all those taking the time to post reports and reposting texts.

I read it was Polumbus.

McDman
08-01-2010, 08:30 PM
I think it was stated that Tyler Polumbus was at LT. But I need to verify to be 100% sure.

Damn you for beating me to it!

epicSocialism4tw
08-01-2010, 08:44 PM
All that will do his get the whole team amped up b/c Tebow will roll with it and keep giving his all. I know it's hard for some of you to accept, but Tebow is a hoss and there is a reason many consider him the best leader of all time in the NCAA!

He's a tough freakin' dude. Tebow is old-school like Bronco Nagurski and Dick Butkus. People think he's some glory hog golden boy, but the reason why people love him is because he delivers on so many levels. One of which being his legit tough-minded and physically tough game.

HEAV
08-01-2010, 09:57 PM
The Broncos returned to the Dove Valley practice field this evening for their second full-squad workout of training camp.

The team was met at first with a brief rain shower, but fans weren’t deterred.

Despite the weather early on, a Dove Valley-record crowd in the morning practice was followed up by an attendance of 1,891 — a record for an afternoon session.

With interest at a high, the evening session commenced under cloudy skies and what turned out to be quite comfortable, cooler weather.


LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION

•Nate Jones and Akin Ayodele joined the defensive fray, seeing reps with the first team when the squad had an extra defensive back lined up against the offense.
•Nick Greisen got some reps with the first unit during a 7-on-7 session.
DRILLS

•Matthew Willis, Kenny McKinley, Jones and Josh Barrett worked with special teams coordinator Mike Priefer on finding punts in the air, catching them and downing them inside the 10-yard line.
•When running backs and tight ends worked against linebackers in a drill focused on protecting the quarterback, the defense was dominant at first. Wesley Woodyard seemingly couldn’t be stopped, and player after player found their way to the blocking dummy that represented the signal caller. But after running backs coach Eric Studesville got on the offense to step up its game, Toney Baker got the first win for the offensive side of the ball. Later in the drill, Richard Quinn earned congratulations after he kept Elvis Dumervil away from the quarterback.
•The defensive line ran through a drill focused on recognizing and reacting to screen passes, then followed that up with a drill working on handwork to get past offensive linemen.
PLAYMAKERS

•Head Coach Josh McDaniels singled out Willis as a player who impressed him in the first practice of training camp. The third-year receiver kept his hot streak going in the evening session, including a few long catches during 7-on-7 drills. He almost held on to a leaping attempt, but Mario Haggan was there to lay into him a little and force the incompletion.
•Kenny McKinley drew cheers from the crowd, as well. First, he was part of five consecutive completions for the receivers in 1-on-1s against the defensive backs (The first breakup of the drill belonged to Alphonso Smith, by the way, on a pass intended for Brandon Stokley). Then, in 11-on-11s, Brady Quinn launched a deep pass toward McKinley down the left sideline. Tony Carter was right there in coverage and stuck his hand out to deflect the pass, but McKinley kept his eye on the ball, maintained control and essentially bobbled it to himself for a long completion.
•It seemed to be the session of the receivers, as Brandon Lloyd opened up the first batch of 7-on-7s with a catch right in front of Champ Bailey, who jumped up in disgust after not breaking up the pass. Demaryius Thomas capitalized on every one of his reps in 1-on-1s against the defensive backs, and made a tough catch just past the outstretched arms of a leaping Jones on a pass from Quinn during 7-on-7s. Then Brandon Stokley got involved, closing out the final 7-on-7 session by holding onto a pass even as Syd’Quan Thompson dove in for a relatively big hit.
OFFSEASON CHAMPIONS

The offseason — certainly not the most glamorous stretch of the NFL season, but a great place to get a jump on the competition.

The team’s offseason conditioning program began in March, and the team has accomplished plenty between then and now. But the locker room voted that 10 Broncos’ hard work during that stretch stood out.

Josh Barrett, Daniel Graham, Russ Hochstein, Chris Kuper, Spencer Larsen, Ryan McBean, Jarvis Moss, Brady Quinn, Matthew Willis and Wesley Woodyard were all voted Offseason Award Winners by their teammates.

The perks of the selection include a prime parking spot adjoining the practice field, close to the entrance to the facility, and the privilege of picking the playlist for a training camp practice session.

QUICK HITS

•With Knowshon Moreno and Correll Buckhalter out of the afternoon practice, all four remaining running backs — Baker, Lance Ball, Bruce Hall and Kolby Smith — saw reps. Smith and Ball, however, seemed to get the majority.
•During 7-on-7s, Richard Quinn found himself wide open and hauled in a pass, but Andre’ Goodman came closing fast. The tight end lowered his shoulder, but the collision caused both players to fall down. The sound alone drew a few “ooohs” from the crowd.
•A 7-on-7 session in the middle of practice divided the reps fairly evenly among the three quarterbacks. Kyle Orton got four reps and Brady Quinn and Tim Tebow both took three snaps.
•After a false start infraction late in practice during an 11-on-11 session, Seth Olsen took a lap around the field.
TRAINING CAMP JUKEBOX

Larsen took advantage of his offseason champion status early, as his playlist was already being blared through the speakers on day one.

Chris Ledoux’s “Hooked on an 8 Second Ride” was up first, followed by Red Hot Chili Peppers with “Snow (Hey Oh),” Rise Against’s “Savior” and finally the Chili Peppers made a repeat appearance, closing it out with “Tell Me Baby.”

Below are some photos from the session. Be sure to check out the DenverBroncos.com training camp page for all camp-related links.

-Gray Caldwell, DenverBroncos.com

BMarsh615
08-01-2010, 10:10 PM
My thoughts on the practice:

1) Tebow brings a rock star feeling to the Broncos - I arrived an hour early and the line was all the way to Peoria St. By contrast, in years past if you showed up an hour early you'd likely be one of the first to get into camp. Also, even arriving late for the year's first weekend practice - generally the busiest of the year - didn't have a line as long as the one I was in an hour prior. Far and away more Tebow jerseys than any other player - Champ, Elway, anybody. Also, a lot of Gators fans there rocking their Florida swag. Orton was the first player to walk out to the field and he received a nice ovation, Tebow was 2nd and the place erupted. All practice long their were people going nuts for anything he did and as I left practice the team-record 3,000 plus in attendence were chanting "Tebow! Tebow!" I can't describe it, it was literally like 25% of the fans were their to see the Broncos and the other 75% were there to see Tebow... and the Broncos.

2) Moreno's injury looked bad - He caught a flare pass up the left sideline and made a juke up field and started going to the ground, fumbling the ball on the way down which brought a grown from the crowd. As soon as he hit, Goodman and Hill were above yelling for the trainer. He was down for about 3 minutes before being helped to his feet. He couldn't put much weight on his leg at all and was reaching for his right hammy - I got a picture of him reaching for it right in front of me. After he went on the cart, he slammed his gloves off in frustruation.

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/9075/1001701.jpg

3) McD seems to have backed off, a bit - Still in full pads but not quite as much hitting as last year and they spent a bit more time in full team drills than I remember last year. Physicality may seem less because the OL and DL were practicing on the other fields.

4) Quick Nuggets

* I thought Tebow looked awesome, when he throws touch passes their not very pretty but they get there. I didn't see any bad decisions and he threw a nice deep ball to Willis. His big highlights were his runs - some designed and some not. Geese he's athletic and I think his vision is underrated, he made a cut at one point that reminded me of TD. Quinn looked pretty good too, didn't notice any bad decisions and made most of his throws. Some were a little high or behind - but mostly he looked solid. Orton was Orton, only way I can describe it - he looked no different to me. Had one pass that should've been picked by Dawkins and threw a few bad passes but was mostly consistent in the offense.

* Lot of work for the 3 TEs today. Richard Quinn was ahead of Graham with the 1st team at the begining of practice and by the end, those two and Branson were rotating.

* Royal, Lloyd and Willis all had some nice catches today. Decker looks like such a solid athlete, just very smooth out there. He flat beat Cox on what would've been a deep TD but Cox tackled him early. Bay Bay is a thick dude! His calfs are huge, his build almost reminds me of Sharpe. I didn't see much of him behind just working on routes with the QBs.

* Liked what I saw from the backup RBs, not so much if their are starters but they showed some good stuff. Lance Ball is my favorite, he's a short, powerful guy - think MJD. Kolby Smith had a nice run on a cutback but was mostly bottled up. Baker runs with power and demolished Moss on a run.

Those are my immediate thoughts, camp is nuts - it really is the Tebow show right now. I think it's good for the team because it seems to really add pressure to every rep. The day was dampened by Knowshon's injury though, he was looking twice as quick and alert as last year and until he went out - I commented to my friend it looks as though the entire offense is running through him. They even used quite a bit of Knowshon split wide with Buck as the singleback.

Bumping this post in case people missed it like I did.

Chris
08-01-2010, 10:14 PM
Welcome to the Orange Mane.

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epicSocialism4tw
08-01-2010, 10:46 PM
How did Darius Watts and Adrian Madise look?

lostknight
08-01-2010, 10:49 PM
Was at the practice today, just some quick notes first, then more when I have a proper keyboard.
1) Tebow, Quinn and Orton all looked good. tebows short passes are accurate but ugly. Not a good spiral at all, but placed very carefully and accurate. tebow was by far the most accurate this evening, especially on the long balls. I watched him during long drills, and his receiver never moved. Downside is that the game is still a bit to fast for him. He was takeig a while to get through his progressions. Anyone who thinks he can't be a NFL quarterback is out of their freaked mind.
2) Alphonso Smith (now sporting 22) had some great plays. The wr/back drills were interesting. Thomas is a beast, much bulkier then Marshall was. Doesn't have Marshalls explosiveness, but can catch a ball with Champ draped over him.Lloyd was solid. Tebow was working out with the TEs during this drill, and I would have liked to see him play.
3) if we don't have moreno, and maybe if we do, our running game is in trouble. The dine manhandled the line in running plays. I am worried about loosing Mr. Turner.
4) Brady looked solid for the most part, and was comfortable in the pocket. Tebow looked flustered at times. Brady's long balls were consistently off. orton was a bit more inconsistent, but seems to be willing to take chances he would not last year.
5) the other players seem more amused by Tebows star status then anything else. A cheer went up for Tebow at one point, and Gaffney was right in front of me. He looked more amused/perplexed then anything.
6) the energy level was pretty good.

NFLBRONCO
08-01-2010, 10:51 PM
Yeah thanks for reports everyone much appreciated

Los Broncos
08-01-2010, 10:57 PM
Thanks for the great update, looking forward to more.

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 11:17 PM
Not bagging on you buddy, just a bit behind and reading all of your posts and commenting as I go. Started to wonder myself if I had it backwards with everyone agreeing with you ;). Usually I would be reading your posts as you typed them!!! But had to dial into a prep meeting for this weeks review we have going at work. You up for camp next weekend or have to wait for the week? You and Khan let me know and we'll schedule our 'play date'. Bring some of that play-doh too, may get hungry during practice! ;)

thanks for posting all of the texts too btw, you da man... But you already knew that!

Ugh, i wanna go

Until the defense gets tired of it and lights his ass up this isn't college no more

And which one of those kittens do you think can actually bring him down?

Ok this is more like it.

Lloyd blow by Goodman and Orton under threw him!

And the fans starting chanting Tebow.

Well... it took a couple hours longer than I thought it would.

Something people should understand in regards to your low rent follow up comment. It absolutely IS low rent, but the person chanting "Tebow" the loudest is Josh McDaniels.

Wes Mantooth
08-01-2010, 11:19 PM
Matt Moore looked more in command, and threw several balls that caused a gasp they were so good (threaded the needle but the guy truly popped open while the ball was in the air). I don't think Clausen is going to beat him out.

But Clausen is the clear #2, and right there with him. Looked accurate. Not a lot of snap to the ball.

Clausen just looks a little small to me. The guys that look small at the next level, they seem to not pan out. Something about that presence. I remember when Heath Shuler went first overall, I thought he was a great. First time I saw him in preseason he looked like tiny man. Same with Alex Smith.

Here's a video on Youtube I took of Jimmy signing autographs.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q5Gu5r198pQ

Go Oregon State!

broncocalijohn
08-01-2010, 11:22 PM
I think it was stated that Tyler Polumbus was at LT. But I need to verify to be 100% sure.

this isnt a good sign, is it?

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 11:37 PM
this isnt a good sign, is it?

Clady is slotted to be ready for the season, as in game 1. He came in as a rookie and dominated. He didn't have a rookie slump per say although he finally did give up more sacks. Thats on Orton more than Clady though!

theAPAOps5
08-01-2010, 11:39 PM
Ugh, i wanna go



And which one of those kittens do you think can actually bring him down?



Well... it took a couple hours longer than I thought it would.

Something people should understand in regards to your low rent follow up comment. It absolutely IS low rent, but the person chanting "Tebow" the loudest is Josh McDaniels.

No I agree the coach is a Tebow fan but at this point Orton is the starter. The fans shouldn't pull that stuff on day one. Yeah Orton isn't the sexy QB and doesn't have the arm like some of the elite QB's but right now he is the starter.

Give the guy a break and until he starts pulling a Cutler and losing games with piss poor decisions don't boo him! :thumbsup::angel:

TheReverend
08-01-2010, 11:46 PM
No I agree the coach is a Tebow fan but at this point Orton is the starter. The fans shouldn't pull that stuff on day one. Yeah Orton isn't the sexy QB and doesn't have the arm like some of the elite QB's but right now he is the starter.

Give the guy a break and until he starts pulling a Cutler and losing games with piss poor decisions don't boo him! :thumbsup::angel:

http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010010312/2009/REG17/chiefs@broncos/analyze/box-score

theAPAOps5
08-02-2010, 12:00 AM
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010010312/2009/REG17/chiefs@broncos/analyze/box-score

Touche

HAT
08-02-2010, 12:15 AM
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010010312/2009/REG17/chiefs@broncos/analyze/box-score

Holy crap...The Chiefs rushed for over 300 yards? Who knew ???

Greybeard
08-02-2010, 01:24 AM
No I agree the coach is a Tebow fan but at this point Orton is the starter. The fans shouldn't pull that stuff on day one. Yeah Orton isn't the sexy QB and doesn't have the arm like some of the elite QB's but right now he is the starter.

Give the guy a break and until he starts pulling a Cutler and losing games with piss poor decisions don't boo him! :thumbsup::angel:

[Kyle] has a very strong arm, contrary to popular belief. To see it in person is to believe it. Orton can sling the ball around, which he has been able to do since he was in college

2010 Denver Broncos Training Camp: PM Practice Report, Mile High Report (http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/8/1/1600465/2010-denver-broncos-training-camp#storyjump)

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ELEVATION
08-02-2010, 05:10 AM
Holy crap...The Chiefs rushed for over 300 yards? Who knew ???


AND?????.......that doesnt take away from the fact Kyle gift wrapped 14 points and handed em to Derrick Johnson on a silver platter........

Jay3
08-02-2010, 06:08 AM
Was at the practice today, just some quick notes first, then more when I have a proper keyboard.
1) Tebow, Quinn and Orton all looked good. tebows short passes are accurate but ugly. Not a good spiral at all, but placed very carefully and accurate. tebow was by far the most accurate this evening, especially on the long balls.

For what it's worth, I have a theory that Tebow's short, light passes (not the ones where he has to instinctively drill it in there, but a routine short pass) are the reason some people "read" him as not having an arm, or being a bad passer, or being inaccurate or something.

It was unusual when Kiper declared him a non-NFL quarterback his sophomore year. A lot of future NFL'ers aren't even starting as sophomores, and Tebow was shredding records as a sophomore and winning the Heisman.

So there's something that some scouts see with their eyes that makes them edgy. I think it's that wobble. Maybe it's the lefty factor -- the say lefty throws look different. But Tim's short to medium passes don't "look" pretty -- they get there, they're accurate, but they look different.

I had a friend who went down to a game last year. He said he got there for warm ups and Tim was just throwing with an assistant coach. He said his first thought was "The assistant coaches throws look prettier." But he knew he was looking at the most accurate and efficient passer in SEC history.

ZachKC
08-02-2010, 06:51 AM
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2010010312/2009/REG17/chiefs@broncos/analyze/box-score

Oh Hi!

Ray Finkle
08-02-2010, 07:31 AM
For what it's worth, I have a theory that Tebow's short, light passes (not the ones where he has to instinctively drill it in there, but a routine short pass) are the reason some people "read" him as not having an arm, or being a bad passer, or being inaccurate or something.

It was unusual when Kiper declared him a non-NFL quarterback his sophomore year. A lot of future NFL'ers aren't even starting as sophomores, and Tebow was shredding records as a sophomore and winning the Heisman.

So there's something that some scouts see with their eyes that makes them edgy. I think it's that wobble. Maybe it's the lefty factor -- the say lefty throws look different. But Tim's short to medium passes don't "look" pretty -- they get there, they're accurate, but they look different.

I had a friend who went down to a game last year. He said he got there for warm ups and Tim was just throwing with an assistant coach. He said his first thought was "The assistant coaches throws look prettier." But he knew he was looking at the most accurate and efficient passer in SEC history.

it all depends on if the QB can get the ball to the WR in stride. Rivers is a great QB (that hurts to write) but throws one of the ugliest deep balls in history but are always on point....

TheElusiveKyleOrton
08-02-2010, 07:38 AM
AND?????.......that doesnt take away from the fact Kyle gift wrapped 14 points and handed em to Derrick Johnson on a silver platter........

We're really going to go back to this, huh?

What was the final score? Did we lose by 14? Or did we lose by more than that?

300 yards on the ground. 300 yards on the ground. 300 yards on the ground.

Orton's fault.

/rolleyes

lostknight
08-02-2010, 07:39 AM
2010 Denver Broncos Training Camp: PM Practice Report, Mile High Report (http://www.milehighreport.com/2010/8/1/1600465/2010-denver-broncos-training-camp#storyjump)

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He can sling it around, but neither he nor brady were all that accurate on distances during the practice.They same old problem hitting receivers in stride is a issue still.

lostknight
08-02-2010, 07:45 AM
For what it's worth, I have a theory that Tebow's short, light passes (not the ones where he has to instinctively drill it in there, but a routine short pass) are the reason some people "read" him as not having an arm, or being a bad passer, or being inaccurate or something.

It was unusual when Kiper declared him a non-NFL quarterback his sophomore year. A lot of future NFL'ers aren't even starting as sophomores, and Tebow was shredding records as a sophomore and winning the Heisman.

So there's something that some scouts see with their eyes that makes them edgy. I think it's that wobble. Maybe it's the lefty factor -- the say lefty throws look different. But Tim's short to medium passes don't "look" pretty -- they get there, they're accurate, but they look different.

I had a friend who went down to a game last year. He said he got there for warm ups and Tim was just throwing with an assistant coach. He said his first thought was "The assistant coaches throws look prettier." But he knew he was looking at the most accurate and efficient passer in SEC history.

AFter watching yesterday, I think that this is very accurate. Short passes look strange coming out of his hands in person, more then on video. But they go almost exactly where he wants. Zero intercepts, one dropped pass yesterday while I was there. Orton had several where he under-threw or overthrew a receiver. Brady I think had less, but all of them where long distance and several were not close.

Tebow's got other issues - he still needs the game to slow down a bit, but my guess is that the Broncos have decided not to fsck with what works, and I applaud that decision.

Drek
08-02-2010, 07:55 AM
Tebow's got other issues - he still needs the game to slow down a bit, but my guess is that the Broncos have decided not to fsck with what works, and I applaud that decision.

They're definitely tweaking a few things, but it seems like they're dealing with his setup and how his body follows through a throw while leaving his actual throwing motion alone.

Jay3
08-02-2010, 08:20 AM
I've been watching Tebow since the beginning, seeing virtually every snap he's ever taken (a couple of scrub games excluded).

I'm no expert, but I think two things needed the most improvement in his throwing;

1. His foot placement. Having your feet in the right position to throw tends to make your mechanics better. Everybody else sees this one so I won't elaborate.

2. His body twist is lacking. I think he does too much of the arm cock with his arm. If you look at the great quick releases, the initial separation is created as much by twisting the body away from the ball as it is taking the ball back. Tebow looks more like I can see the ball move back, then thrown.

Hold your hands up like you've got it in a QB tuck. Now twist your shoulders forward as you move the ball back-- the ball separates from your core without actually travelling much distance.

When Cutler throws, his upper body looks like a whip cracking. He has a quick, gunslinger style of release.

I think Tebow needs to employ more of his powerful core in generating the arm cock and then more explosive twist. But I would imagine if I've seen this (and if it's true), then surely others have (like the McD brothers).

The most worried I get is with Tebow's tendency to stand there and take too long. David Carr syndrome. Gotta get it out of there. But one hopes his relentless film study work ethic will help become almost Payton-like in knowing his progressions.

Dedhed
08-02-2010, 08:53 AM
it all depends on if the QB can get the ball to the WR in stride. Rivers is a great QB (that hurts to write) but throws one of the ugliest deep balls in history but are always on point....

Watch Peyton manning and you'll quickly realize that a perfect spiral is not a prerequisite to be a great qb.

Ray Finkle
08-02-2010, 09:10 AM
Watch Peyton manning and you'll quickly realize that a perfect spiral is not a prerequisite to be a great qb.

true....it's more of placement and getting to the WR's hands before the DB can close in.....

bowtown
08-02-2010, 09:14 AM
As an expert on QB mechanics, I'd say Tebow needs to throw off his back foot less.

ZachKC
08-02-2010, 09:16 AM
I've been watching Tebow since the beginning, seeing virtually every snap he's ever taken (a couple of scrub games excluded).

.

You went to Broncos camp and only watched Tebow?


lol.

2KBack
08-02-2010, 09:23 AM
You went to Broncos camp and only watched Tebow?


lol.

someone needs to review the thread before commenting

Jay3
08-02-2010, 09:24 AM
You went to Broncos camp and only watched Tebow?


lol.

No, game snaps. Snaps that count -- his college career.

TonyR
08-02-2010, 09:47 AM
...if we don't have moreno, and maybe if we do, our running game is in trouble. The dine manhandled the line in running plays. I am worried about loosing Mr. Turner.

Way too early to be overly concerned about this. The O-line isn't healthy, have some new/young guys in there, and the D is usually well ahead of the O early in camp. But agree that this is a primary area that needs improvement from last season.

montrose
08-02-2010, 10:13 AM
Last Night's Practice:

* Not as sharp as the morning practice with some mistakes. Less crowd (per the usual for an evening practice) but the most packed I've ever seen a P.M. practice.

* Not sure why, but DJ wasn't practicing - Ayodele took his spot in the rotation. Kolby Smith and Lance Ball split the reps with the 1st team at RB.

* Per the texts I sent McApa, the offense won a lot of the 1-on-1 battles but the defense is mostly winning team play. Without question, our major concern should be the OL. They get next-to-no push on run plays and the pocket is collapsing pretty quickly on pass plays. Almost every run (barring a nice cutback from the RB) is stuffed at the line. This worries me w/out Knowshon and Buck. Bannan and Green are incredible upgrades over what we had last year, they're incredibly stout and it appears McBean is making a few more plays too.

* The star on offense for me was Lloyd, I think he's our fastest WR (or 2nd to BayBay) and knows the system well. He also still makes those sick catches he's known for. He was killing Cox in the 1-on-1s and beat Champ deep (but Quinn didn't see him) and Goody deep (but Orton underthew him, more later on that). He just seems like a "NE-type WR" in our offense (think Branch, Brown, Patten, etc.) and I can see why McD likes him so much.

* As for the other WRs, Eddie seems to be exclusivly in the slot role and I didn't see him running many routes beyond 20-25 yards. He still consistently gets open and I haven't seen him drop a ball yet. Gaffney's Gaffney. Decker was quiet in the PM practice, McD pulled him from a play for lining up wrong - he looks very smooth and athletic. He caught a few short routes. BayBay is an athletic freak, he's a thick dude who is very physical at the line. He doesn't have a burst of quickness but great long speed. Champ was trying to press him and Thomas pushed him away with ease and pulled away after three steps - if Orton lobs it down field the rookie would've beaten Champ by almost 5-6 strides. In the 1-on-1s he was just bullying CBs with body positioning. If he can get down the mental side of it, no doubt he can be a star. McKinley made a nice grab over Carter along the sideline and Willis continues to make nice plays deel (albeit with the 3rd teamers usually). Stokley got jacked by Thompson on an in-route from Tebow but appeared okay, he seems to be himself and appears pretty comfortable about his roster status.

* The best DB was Smith (I know SoCal, I know). He got beat one time on a deep ball that he had good position on, but otherwise was rock solid. The only CB not to get beat in 1-on-1s, he broke up one pass and nearly had a pick on another. He does appear more comfortable than last year but I'm still worried about him in zone playing the nickel. In man, I'm not sure he isn't the best the Broncos have right now. Champ got a beat by a hair on one pass to Lloyd and would've been burned by Thomas and Lloyd, but mostly - he's Champ. Someone pointed out to me that Champ has always been a guy who doesn't go all-out in practice and saves it for the game - and I can believe it. Goody is Goody. Bad practice for Cox who got torched by Lloyd and once by Gaffney. Jones hasn't impressed me at all, Eddie made him look stupid in 1-on-1s and he was getting consistently picked on in nickel drills.

* I didn't notice much of the safeties or LBs, I'll try to notice more tomorrow.

* Two guys who have really impressed me are R.Quinn and Ball. Quinn has lined up with the 1st unit quite a bit and looks much more comfortable than last year. He's a damn fine blocker and has caught everything thrown his way. I don't get the hype with Branson, he made one nice catch over Dawkins but otherwise has been quiet and dropped a few passes. Quinn appears just as fast (if not faster) and a better blocker. Ball has great balance, probably the best of any of the RBs. He runs with power and isn't knocked down - ever. I like him best of the other RBs although Smith and Baker have had their moments, Ball's been really consistent though.

* And to the QBs, as I referred earlier Orton's bad play of the day came when Lloyd beat Goodman deep for what would've been a deep TD and Kyle severely underthrew him - by almost 5-yards. The crowd started chanting "We Want Tebow!" Orton was fine other than that, same strengths and weaknesses we all know he has. His tendency is still to look shallow-to-deep because he completed some checkdowns when the opportunity for a big play was there. I still maintain Kyle's arm is stronger (in terms of zip) than some think, it's not a cannon but good enough. Brady seems to read the opposite of Kyle, he looks deep-to-shallow. His deep ball hasn't been terribly accurate all the time, moreso than Kyle who just throws a bad deep ball. Quinn is still more raw in the offense than Kyle - he misses guys from time-to-time and holds onto the ball too much. Also, somewhat confirming the reports about him from Cleveland - his drop in accuracy is significant when play moves to 9-on-7 or 11-on-11 and pressure stares him down. He honestly looks scared sometimes, maybe a bit gunshy from the hits he took in Cleveland. I thought Quinn was better than Orton this morning but Orton looked better in the PM. And finally, Timmy. He had one embarrasing moment with QBs were working on out patterns right after the rain subsided, the ball slipped out of his hand on the way up which brought a huge grown. He picked it up, laughing, completed the pass and the crowd cherred sarcastically. When the QBs were working on zip passes, some of Tim's fluttered which brought a grown but just because the pass doesn't look pretty - don't think it doesn't have a zip on it. Tim had the strongest arm (in terms of zip) and looked to me as the most accurate QB in the PM practice. Right now the habit Tim has to break, and this should come with reps and time, is that he looks to run too quickly (a common habit with athletic QBs). Once 9-on-7 or 11-on-11 begins, he looks to his first progression, maybe his 2nd, and then looks to take off. Part of this has been the OL struggling, not so much free runners but just collapsing the pocket. Combined with the injuries to the RBs, I can see why Rev thinks starting Tebow now is in the best interest with his athleticism. My fear would be that he might get hurt though because until they can get him to go through his progressions more, he's going to want to take off a lot. Might as well make Orton or Quinn the sacraficial lamb behind that OL. The highlight of the day came on a long Tebow scramble when he ran right, then left, back right, hit a spin move on McBean and scurried forward for 12 yards before being touched. His natural instinicts are off the page. I agree with LostKnight that anybody who thinks this guy can't be a star with the right time and coaching is nuts.

* After practice, the offense ran sprints on our field and instead of gassers (back and forth as one rep) they just ran one sprint each way and stopped for 30-second rest periods. What does that mean? Tebow high-fiving fans on the sideline after winning every spring baby! It was pretty cool and Brady was laughing at it. After practice when fans lined up for autographs, Tebow and BayBay ran down the entire line high-fiving fans, it was like a rock-star giving love to his front-row fans! Finally, no joke, Tebow carried Orton's pads back into the locker room.

BayBay
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McD w/Orton, Gaffney and Lloyd
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Tebow throwing
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Decker
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Tebow leading the sprints
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High-fives from Tebow...
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And Thomas
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Irish Stout
08-02-2010, 10:19 AM
We may have discussed Sunday morning camp to death already, don't know, but figured I'd post my thoughts anyway for anyone that cares. Didn't have any time to post yesterday afternoon. I went to the morning camp yesterday and the few things that really stood out to me were:

1. Tebow's throws were hard and fast, but very low and often not pretty.

2. Though there was full contact at the line in 7-7 and 11-11, if an RB got past the line, they would only be touched, not tackled. All QBs could not be tackled/sacked, even if they were at the line carrying the ball across. Tebow got slapped numerous times as he ran the ball through the line, indicating that he had been grabbed... so his run plays were hard to judge just how good he'll be at that at the NFL levle.

3. QB depth chart as of Sunday morning is clear as day - Orton is #1 no doubt, best thrower, and decsion maker, Brady is #2 with strong clean throws that were often behind his receivers, and Tebow is #3 with the most potential to make a game winning play.

4. I saw them run Wild Horses twice with Quinn lined up outside, but not with any other QBs.

5. Kolby Smith and Lance Ball both looked good at RB even before Knowshon was gone.

6. In QB-WR drills with one WR and two CBs, Champ stood out as the best defender, with Alfonso looking pretty good and Cox getting beat more than once.. Decker, Royal, Lloyd and Gaffney made some great catches. I didn't see Stokely miss a catch all day, but I might have missed something. Demarius looked really strong out there and could get open to the ball even on a defender that was right on him, but he had a few drops.

7. Doom broke through the line at least three times in full contact drills, but also was blocked very well by a couple of the TEs when they stepped in to cover him.

8. I think that LT is a concern right now, as this is where Doom would come from and get right in if there wasn't TE support. I had a real hard time from my vantage point of telling who was playing OL and when.

9. Tebow was first on every single sprinting drill from one sideline to the other and back.

10. There will be some really tough decisions to make on the Offensive side of the ball with WR and RB in particular. All our WRs showed some great attributes. Decker has magic hands, just watching him haul in a pass is incredible and makes any throw look like it went to its intended spot. I was also amazed at how buff Decker was, he looked more ripped, to me, than any of the other receivers. I now think he has the ability to be one of the best picks of the draft by far! Thomas definitely has the strength and ability to make a play and his routes looked pretty sharp, but he seemed a little off to me yesterday. Royal looked really good and I can't wait to see him get more use this year. Wallis had some trouble early in route and catch drills with no defenders on the feild, but really picked it up with defenders. Buckhalter looked really sharp during individual RB drills, but I didn't notice him at all during contact Off & D drills.... probably cause of the injury. Moreno just looked ok to me, nothing really popping. I was really suprised at Lance Ball's ability to punch through the line and I like Kolby Smith's speed. I won't be suprised if both or either of these guys makes the team.

~Crash~
08-02-2010, 10:47 AM
Way too early to be overly concerned about this. The O-line isn't healthy, have some new/young guys in there, and the D is usually well ahead of the O early in camp. But agree that this is a primary area that needs improvement from last season.

Add in our Coach probably was having fun with the line trying to toughen them up....testing how the will bounce back..

Br0nc0Buster
08-02-2010, 10:49 AM
thanks a lot for the report
quick question for anyone that watched Tebow, I have been hearing his release is really slow
just curious if anyone else has noticed this as well

gyldenlove
08-02-2010, 11:14 AM
The one positive note about the offensive line is that Clady who may well be one of the top 5 offensive linemen in the world will come back from his injury at some point and that will change everything. Hopefully the rest of the unit can improve on its own, but do not underestimate the return of Clady, he is a monster and he does change everything.

2KBack
08-02-2010, 11:17 AM
question for anyone with better knowledge of oline play than myself; Would it make sense to have Ryan Harris work on the left side until Clady is back?

oubronco
08-02-2010, 11:25 AM
question for anyone with better knowledge of oline play than myself; Would it make sense to have Ryan Harris work on the left side until Clady is back?

I wondered the same thing

Homer Simpson
08-02-2010, 11:25 AM
Last Night's Practice:

* And to the QBs, as I referred earlier Orton's bad play of the day came when Lloyd beat Goodman deep for what would've been a deep TD and Kyle severely underthrew him - by almost 5-yards. The crowd started chanting "We Want Tebow!" Orton was fine other than that, same strengths and weaknesses we all know he has. His tendency is still to look shallow-to-deep because he completed some checkdowns when the opportunity for a big play was there. I still maintain Kyle's arm is stronger (in terms of zip) than some think, it's not a cannon but good enough. Brady seems to read the opposite of Kyle, he looks deep-to-shallow. His deep ball hasn't been terribly accurate all the time, moreso than Kyle who just throws a bad deep ball. Quinn is still more raw in the offense than Kyle - he misses guys from time-to-time and holds onto the ball too much. Also, somewhat confirming the reports about him from Cleveland - his drop in accuracy is significant when play moves to 9-on-7 or 11-on-11 and pressure stares him down. He honestly looks scared sometimes, maybe a bit gunshy from the hits he took in Cleveland. I thought Quinn was better than Orton this morning but Orton looked better in the PM. And finally, Timmy. He had one embarrasing moment with QBs were working on out patterns right after the rain subsided, the ball slipped out of his hand on the way up which brought a huge grown. He picked it up, laughing, completed the pass and the crowd cherred sarcastically. When the QBs were working on zip passes, some of Tim's fluttered which brought a grown but just because the pass doesn't look pretty - don't think it doesn't have a zip on it. Tim had the strongest arm (in terms of zip) and looked to me as the most accurate QB in the PM practice. Right now the habit Tim has to break, and this should come with reps and time, is that he looks to run too quickly (a common habit with athletic QBs). Once 9-on-7 or 11-on-11 begins, he looks to his first progression, maybe his 2nd, and then looks to take off. Part of this has been the OL struggling, not so much free runners but just collapsing the pocket. Combined with the injuries to the RBs, I can see why Rev thinks starting Tebow now is in the best interest with his athleticism. My fear would be that he might get hurt though because until they can get him to go through his progressions more, he's going to want to take off a lot. Might as well make Orton or Quinn the sacraficial lamb behind that OL. The highlight of the day came on a long Tebow scramble when he ran right, then left, back right, hit a spin move on McBean and scurried forward for 12 yards before being touched. His natural instinicts are off the page. I agree with LostKnight that anybody who thinks this guy can't be a star with the right time and coaching is nuts.



I have a huge fear the Denver fans are going to not support Orton and ruin Tebow.

Kaylore
08-02-2010, 11:43 AM
Awesome stuff guys.

And 'Trose, it's "groan" when making a noise. ;)

outdoor_miner
08-02-2010, 11:43 AM
question for anyone with better knowledge of oline play than myself; Would it make sense to have Ryan Harris work on the left side until Clady is back?

I'm hoping that they are not doing this because they are very confident that Clady will be ready by Week 1. So - they want Harris practicing where he will be playing during the games.

Likewise - the fact that they have not signed any "stop gaps" (ie Flozell Adams) would seem to indicate a similar confidence from the coaching staff.

Call me an optimist. :)

oubronco
08-02-2010, 11:45 AM
They must really like Polumbus

titan
08-02-2010, 11:50 AM
Always like reading your training camp reports Montrose - thanks. Your one comment:

"* Two guys who have really impressed me are R.Quinn and Ball. Quinn has lined up with the 1st unit quite a bit and looks much more comfortable than last year. He's a damn fine blocker and has caught everything thrown his way. "

On Richard Quinn I was thinking the other day that he has to be better than what he showed last season. Drafting him in the 2nd round was a stretch, but I read some scouting reports on him before the draft that tagged him as a "sleeper" tight end (i.e. the broncos weren't the only ones in on his potential)

I'm hoping to get out to practice today and Quinn will be one I'll be watching.