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tsiguy96
07-22-2010, 08:52 PM
details coming!

ESPN's John Clayton reporting Elvis' contract is a 5-year extension totaling 6 years, $61.5 million, w/ $43 million guarantee.

Florida_Bronco
07-22-2010, 08:54 PM
Awesome!

Popps
07-22-2010, 08:55 PM
#### yea.

SoCalBronco
07-22-2010, 08:57 PM
Very good news. I hope the terms are relatively reasonable.

Br0nc0Buster
07-22-2010, 08:58 PM
fantastic if true
papa McDaniels will take care of his own

Killericon
07-22-2010, 09:00 PM
MCPOOPYHEAD IS TEARING THIS TEAM APAAAAAARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT TTTTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Killericon
07-22-2010, 09:01 PM
fantastic if true
papa McDaniels will take care of his own

It's off the Team's twitter.

tnedator
07-22-2010, 09:02 PM
And the clouds parted and sun shown down on Broncos Country....

Dr. Broncenstein
07-22-2010, 09:02 PM
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SouthStndJunkie
07-22-2010, 09:02 PM
Kick ass!

OABB
07-22-2010, 09:03 PM
Why didn't popps post a hitler or Stalin pick?

Florida_Bronco
07-22-2010, 09:03 PM
http://rantingaimlessly.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/01/josh-mcdaniels.jpg


Oh....wait

Man-Goblin
07-22-2010, 09:05 PM
How is McDaniels going to trade him now with that bloated contract?

OABB
07-22-2010, 09:05 PM
Paging crow eaters....

Popps
07-22-2010, 09:07 PM
Why didn't popps post a hitler or Stalin pick?

Crap.

I got too excited and ****ed up.

mr007
07-22-2010, 09:09 PM
Good to see! Wonder what his contract is like.

HAT
07-22-2010, 09:09 PM
Very good news. I hope the terms are relatively reasonable.

Out of curiosity....Why would you care what the terms were?

Florida_Bronco
07-22-2010, 09:09 PM
Crap.

I got too excited and ****ed up.

Dude don't worry, I had you covered. :thumbsup:

tsiguy96
07-22-2010, 09:09 PM
SPN's John Clayton reporting Elvis' contract is a 5-year extension totaling 6 years, $61.5 million, w/ $43 million guarantee.

OABB
07-22-2010, 09:10 PM
Crap.

I got too excited and ****ed up.

I'll let it slide, but just this once.

tnedator
07-22-2010, 09:10 PM
Per Lindsay Jones tweet:

ESPN's John Clayton reporting Elvis' contract is a 5-year extension totaling 6 years, $61.5 million, w/ $43 million guarantee.

OABB
07-22-2010, 09:12 PM
What I don't get is why he would do this to a shanny holdover.

Man-Goblin
07-22-2010, 09:14 PM
Good to see! Wonder what his contract is like.

http://i59.photobucket.com/albums/g292/Toomer021/cool%20stuff/brinkshomearmoredcar001.jpg

Br0nc0Buster
07-22-2010, 09:15 PM
43 guaranteed...wowza

Elvis definitely got paid

SouthStndJunkie
07-22-2010, 09:15 PM
SPN's John Clayton reporting Elvis' contract is a 5-year extension totaling 6 years, $61.5 million, w/ $43 million guarantee.

That sounds about right....I figured he would get $40+ million guaranteed.

That's the going rate for a young premium pass rusher.

SoCalBronco
07-22-2010, 09:16 PM
Out of curiosity....Why would you care what the terms were?

Because I don't think the salary cap has seen its last days despite the current CBA issues. There is risk with every move. It is irrational to assume it will not return because most owners would want some form of cost certainty before agreeing to a new CBA, while players would undoubtedly object if the new cap figures and formulas were significantly more restrictive than at present. It's most likely that whatever comes out of the future negotiation will be relatively similar to what we have now..although the players will probably get a slightly smaller share of the pie, as the prior 59% was about 5% more than the norm for sports leagues.

The terms are very important, especially for a team that appears to also have its own internal budget.

Bigdawg26
07-22-2010, 09:17 PM
Sweet!!!!

BigPlayShay
07-22-2010, 09:20 PM
!Booya!

Killericon
07-22-2010, 09:22 PM
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images-2/stanley-cup.jpg

Hamrob
07-22-2010, 09:23 PM
Way too much for a one-dimensional LB'er. I'm glad we have him...but, that's too much for what he brings to the table.

SoCalBronco
07-22-2010, 09:23 PM
http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Sports/images-2/stanley-cup.jpg

What about the goal song?

:)

OABB
07-22-2010, 09:24 PM
If I wasn't so lazy I would love to go searching for some anti mcd posts here about the dumerville situation. Pure comedy gold I bet.

Taco John
07-22-2010, 09:28 PM
I don't even care what the contract is. This is AWESOME. So great to have this stand-up guy on the team for another extended period. Lovin' it.

extralife
07-22-2010, 09:41 PM
Way too much money, but he had to get locked up.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-22-2010, 09:41 PM
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tsiguy96
07-22-2010, 09:42 PM
Way too much for a one-dimensional LB'er. I'm glad we have him...but, that's too much for what he brings to the table.

youre such a weiner. whats the real solution then, not sign him long term and let him go to another team?

baja
07-22-2010, 09:42 PM
If we had signed Marshall this would have not been possible. Nor would be have Tebow.

Requiem
07-22-2010, 09:42 PM
All right Elvis, now improve on your run defense and you may be worth it.

baja
07-22-2010, 09:43 PM
Tell me again Josh McD is bad for the Broncos.

Requiem
07-22-2010, 09:44 PM
More numbers, per Florio at PFT.

The early numbers on the Elvis Dumervil deal have begun to trickle out.

Per a league source with knowledge of the situation, Dumervil's new contract from the Broncos has a base value of $61.5 million over six years.

The deal carries $58.332 million in new money, and an injury guarantee of $43.168 million. Skill guarantees apply in 2011 ($28 million) and 2012 ($12 million).

The compensation for 2009 remains the same, with Dumervil getting $3.168 million. Dumervil's base salary was dropped to the minimum, with the balance paid as a signing bonus.

On the first day of the next league year, whenever it may start, $14 million in base salary becomes guaranteed for skill. At about that time, $6 million of it will be paid out as an advance.

Also in 2011, $14 million in base salary for 2012 becomes guaranteed. In early 2012, $13.3 million of it will be paid as an advance in March of that year.

In 2012, $12 million in base salary for 2013 becomes guaranteed.

The remaining base salaries are $10 million in 2014 and $9 million in 2015.

So much for teams not doing long-term deals worth big money. Then again, the fact that one team did a long-term deal for big money doesn't mean that the rest of them aren't colluding.

Then again, the Broncos arguably had no choice but to pay Dumervil, given the manner in which the team has handled quarterback Jay Cutler and receiver Brandon Marshall.

Kaylore
07-22-2010, 09:45 PM
I knew it! I knew they'd have him signed. This proves that not only is Bowlen not broke, but they aren't "getting rid of all the good players" as they say. They are just dumping the bad characters and keeping the talent that isn't stupid.

DHallblows
07-22-2010, 09:46 PM
Way too much for a one-dimensional LB'er. I'm glad we have him...but, that's too much for what he brings to the table.

It's true. People won't like to hear it, but it's true.

ant1999e
07-22-2010, 09:48 PM
youre such a weiner. whats the real solution then, not sign him long term and let him go to another team?

We should have kept Hillis.:rofl:

Kaylore
07-22-2010, 09:49 PM
For this concerned about the price, this is as much about sending a message to the rest of the players and league about how McDaniels run shop as it is about rewarding one player. This says if you're a good soldier and play by the rules you get rewarded. It adds a huge amount of clout to McDaniels.

tnedator
07-22-2010, 09:50 PM
What I don't get is why he would do this to a shanny holdover.

Maybe because "his" guys can't get to the QB?

Boobs McGee
07-22-2010, 09:50 PM
WHOOPTY WHOOOOOOP!!!! Fantastic news.

and p.s. sprint can suck my balls right now, I tried sending out a mass text about this joyous event, and came to the realization that the "network in my area" is down. No time frame on when it's fixed.

Apparently, Doom's good news blew up my service ;D

Requiem
07-22-2010, 09:51 PM
Kaylore is a fan of good soldiers. Kuper, now Dumervil. It looks like we are building one happy army. Now when is Greg Eslinger getting that monster contract!?

Boobs McGee
07-22-2010, 09:52 PM
and magically, after I just posted that, sprint fixes the network. Doom + Contract = PHONE REDEMPTION

Br0nc0Buster
07-22-2010, 09:52 PM
I have said all along I am fine with overpaying for Doom
He is a great pass rusher, but he is also a high character player and still young

even though it is a high price, pass rushers are a premium so his contract isnt that ridiculous

prunch
07-22-2010, 09:58 PM
http://www.denverbroncos.com/news-and-blogs/article-1/Dumervil-Agrees-to-Extension/6a39677d-3b40-48a4-b61f-043fb6ee1784

ENGLEWOOD, Colo. -- At the Broncos' June minicamp, Elvis Dumervilsaid he loved football too much to openly complain or act disappointed about his uncertain contract situation.
Dumervil's upbeat attitude and pass-rushing prowess were rewarded Thursday night when he agreed to a contract extension with the team that drafted him in 2006.
"I am pleased to announce the extension of Elvis Dumervil’s contract with the Denver Broncos," General Manager Brian Xanders said. "He has established himself as one of the NFL’s premier pass rushers, and he’s an important part of the foundation we are building with this team. We are excited to have him as an integral part of the Broncos well into the future."
The fifth-year linebacker made his case for a new contract last season with one of the finest defensive performances in team history. Dumervil became the first Bronco to lead the league in sacks in 2009, racking up 17 of them en route to earning All-Pro status and his first career Pro Bowl selection.
Entering 2010, the former fourth round pick out of Louisville wanted an extension and remained positive while attending the minicamp last month. The famously fun-loving player joked with teammates and wore a smile as he told reporters he didn't want to be a distraction. Dumervil, who signed a one-year tender on June 14, said he wanted to support his teammates and continue learning the new defensive system after spending the start of the offseason training at home in Miami.
At the time, several teammates applauded Dumervil's professionalism and expressed their gratitude for his commitment to the organization.
Nine days before veterans are due to report to Dove Valley for training camp, the Broncos locked up their pass-rushing star with a new deal.
"We are thrilled to have agreed to terms with Elvis Dumervil on a contract extension," Head Coach Josh McDaniels said. "Elvis is a very talented player who will help lead our defense and is also an outstanding person and teammate."
The 5-foot-11, 248-pound linebacker has demonstrated a flair for the big play in his first four NFL seasons. Dumervil has registered 43 total sacks, 11 forced fumbles, eight fumble recoveries and an interception in 61 career games. He has provided at least five sacks each season, and his 13 multi-sack games rank second in the league in that span.
In his historic 2009 campaign, Dumervil played all 16 finishing with 49 tackles, four forced fumbles and three pass breakups, to go along with his impressive sack total. That included a team record four sacks in a 27-6 home win against Cleveland on September 20.
Now armed with the new deal, he'll aim to build off that success in 2010 and beyond.
That's a prospect that excites McDaniels for many reasons.
"The way he has handled this lengthy negotiation this offseason is a great example of the type of player and person we want on our team," McDaniels said. "We look forward to Elvis’ impact for many years to come."

NFLBRONCO
07-22-2010, 10:02 PM
Now if we could resign Nolan. Will Doom be as good under Wink

Requiem
07-22-2010, 10:03 PM
I don't think Dumervil likes being under. . . seems like an "on top" kinda fella.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-22-2010, 10:05 PM
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MAJOR rep to whomever can add some Broncos characters to the video... with Dave being changed into Josh, of course...

baja
07-22-2010, 10:06 PM
I agree with Kaylore. Overpaying Doom is a good think because it sends the message loud and clear that if you are a good player and a team guy you will get paid. If you are a great player but a distraction you will not get paid here.

baja
07-22-2010, 10:07 PM
Now if we could resign Nolan. Will Doom be as good under Wink

Better! More agressive.

Requiem
07-22-2010, 10:08 PM
Look at it this way. Dumervil got paid, and raped the piggy bank. So hopefully, even if Kyle plays well, he is not on the Broncos next year cause we can't pay the noodle armed turd.

baja
07-22-2010, 10:10 PM
We still got to pay two first round picks ouch

Requiem
07-22-2010, 10:11 PM
We still got to pay two first round picks ouch

Don't worry, give Tim a couple golden copies of the New Testament and he'll get on the field anyways. :wiggle:

Hogan11
07-22-2010, 10:11 PM
I don't even care what the contract is. This is AWESOME. So great to have this stand-up guy on the team for another extended period. Lovin' it.

but..but..stand up guys are sooo boring! Choir Boys have never won anything!

::)

This is rockin' great news!!

SoCalBronco
07-22-2010, 10:12 PM
For this concerned about the price, this is as much about sending a message to the rest of the players and league about how McDaniels run shop as it is about rewarding one player. This says if you're a good soldier and play by the rules you get rewarded. It adds a huge amount of clout to McDaniels.

That's certainly a good argument.....there is definitely merit in the idea of paying a little more to players who are good soldiers so that others are incentivized to conduct themselves in a nicer way (both to the organization and also off the field so far as personal conduct goes)....although that rationale probably doesn't justify more than a relatively small to moderate "good guy" bonus, as at the end of the day the basic bargain mainly revolves around skill and on field contribution.

I'm happy Doom is here...I have alot of respect for him and he's absolutely vital to our pass rush. It's a bit pricey and I am concerned about it with what lies ahead in collective bargaining, but they were kind of behind the eight ball with him, as there's no one else that can replace that (and Denver had sufficiently penny pinched in recent years so that they are probably well below what the cap would have been now).

NFLBRONCO
07-22-2010, 10:13 PM
Better! More agressive.

I'm not raining on your parade my friend but, we hear this every summer and let him walk in Jan on to the next guy.

Requiem
07-22-2010, 10:14 PM
Just wait until we draft Cameron Heyward, SoCal.

JJJ
07-22-2010, 10:17 PM
Wow. That is a massive overpay for a guy that gets two tackles per game. I guess one good year can buy a lot in the NFL these days. Donks going off-market isn't doing many favors for the rest of the league.

I got to give Dumervil credit though for not holding out, signing his tender, and having his agent continue to negotiate. Worked out great for him. Wish the guys on my team were that smart.

SoCalBronco
07-22-2010, 10:19 PM
Just wait until we draft Cameron Heyward, SoCal.

Ugh...no Buckeyes please, Req.

baja
07-22-2010, 10:22 PM
Did they penny pinch or did they have to clear all the dead money Shanny caused by signing high priced FAs that failed.

Tombstone RJ
07-22-2010, 10:24 PM
I'm glad doom got paid and hopefully he'll keep getting 10+ sacks a year...

baja
07-22-2010, 10:24 PM
I'm not raining on your parade my friend but, we hear this every summer and let him walk in Jan on to the next guy.

A more agressive defense was the bone of contention between Nolan and Josh. Wink will play more agressive because that is what he was hired to do.

This is Josh's team. Can there be any doubt?

HAT
07-22-2010, 10:27 PM
Because I don't think the salary cap has seen its last days despite the current CBA issues. There is risk with every move. It is irrational to assume it will not return because most owners would want some form of cost certainty before agreeing to a new CBA, while players would undoubtedly object if the new cap figures and formulas were significantly more restrictive than at present. It's most likely that whatever comes out of the future negotiation will be relatively similar to what we have now..although the players will probably get a slightly smaller share of the pie, as the prior 59% was about 5% more than the norm for sports leagues.

The terms are very important, especially for a team that appears to also have its own internal budget.

'Lotta words...No answer.

Specifically, why do you personally care what any member of your favorite football makes in any given year?

Do you think Doom will perform better now with said contract?

azbroncfan
07-22-2010, 10:32 PM
I just hope he can average a million dollars per sack for the life of the contract. Is that too much to ask for? lol

JJJ-Wow. That is a massive overpay for a guy that gets two tackles per game. I guess one good year can buy a lot in the NFL these days. Donks going off-market isn't doing many favors for the rest of the league.

I got to give Dumervil credit though for not holding out, signing his tender, and having his agent continue to negotiate. Worked out great for him. Wish the guys on my team were that smart.

That's what pass rushers get paid these days. He has panned out a lot better over his career than Roid boy who hasn't been crap since he had to quit the drugs.

SoCalBronco
07-22-2010, 10:35 PM
Did they penny pinch or did they have to clear all the dead money Shanny caused by signing high priced FAs that failed.

They were in the top 5 in the NFL from about 04-08 in wins per dollars spent. Unless you are suggesting it somehow took 7 whole years to clear dead money, what you are suggesting is inaccurate.

SoCalBronco
07-22-2010, 10:37 PM
'Lotta words...No answer.

Specifically, why do you personally care what any member of your favorite football makes in any given year?

Do you think Doom will perform better now with said contract?

It was a very clear answer. CBA and future cap ramifications are an important issue because they affect the team's ability to be competitive. I'm happy Doom is staying here...he's real important, but term and contracts are also important. Just ask the 49ers and Titans.

Popps
07-22-2010, 10:38 PM
If there's a guy on our team worth overpaying for, he's the guy.

I still think he's got things to work on as far as being a 3-4 LB, but you can't replace a disruptive pass-rushing force like him. Guys like Doom can single-handedly change the course of a game.

Hopefully an improved line is only going to make him more effective.

Pseudofool
07-22-2010, 10:41 PM
For this concerned about the price, this is as much about sending a message to the rest of the players and league about how McDaniels run shop as it is about rewarding one player. This says if you're a good soldier and play by the rules you get rewarded. It adds a huge amount of clout to McDaniels.

Nice take. Let's hope Elvis stays healthy throughout the length of the contract.

cutthemdown
07-22-2010, 10:42 PM
Doom got paid because he gets sacks and sacks change games. He isn't great all around but 1 on 1 not many players can block him on 3rd down. I guess Broncos see that as worth it.

I also think because they let Cutler, Marshall, Scheff all walk they wanted to sign a player who had done everything right. They have now set the standard in Denver. You may get overpaid in Denver if you do everything right. If you don't do it right, you will be shipped out.

I think players will play hard under a theory like that. It rewards heart and loyalty which are the building blocks of teamwork and winning.

FireFly
07-22-2010, 10:42 PM
I knew it! I knew they'd have him signed. This proves that not only is Bowlen not broke, but they aren't "getting rid of all the good players" as they say. They are just dumping the bad characters and keeping the talent that isn't stupid.

!Booya!!Booya!!Booya!

Kaylore
07-22-2010, 10:42 PM
I would like to request this as the official final nail in the "Bowlen's broke" coffin.

1. "Shanahan was fired because it cost too much to keep him" has been debunked several times since we're paying two head coaches right now.

2. "We traded one of our firsts because Bowlen can't afford two first round picks" was debunked when we traded back into the first this draft which will cost more money than just the high one first rounder had we not.

3. And now "Bowlen will have McD trade away all his good players because he can't afford to extend them" has been debunked with the signing of Kuper and Dumervil.

Bowlen isn't broke and never was. Anything you read about them not having money is purely posturing for the new CBA negotiations. Bowlen made all these changes because he wanted to win and it's costing him more to do so. He's still willing to open up his pocketbook for the betterment of the team.

extralife
07-22-2010, 10:43 PM
'Lotta words...No answer.

Specifically, why do you personally care what any member of your favorite football makes in any given year?

Do you think Doom will perform better now with said contract?

Because some people aren't idiots and realize the impact the financials have on the games themselves. Try telling a Nuggets fan to not care about Kenyon Martin's contract.

FireFly
07-22-2010, 10:44 PM
If there's a guy on our team worth overpaying for, he's the guy.

I still think he's got things to work on as far as being a 3-4 LB, but you can't replace a disruptive pass-rushing force like him. Guys like Doom can single-handedly change the course of a game.

Hopefully an improved line is only going to make him more effective.

Yeah, he's not the perfect 3-4 LBer, but it's not like he's played the position for 15 years! :)

He will improve overall, hopefully while maintaining his effectiveness as a pass rusher.

This contract was expensive, but we couldn't let him go.

Send a message to every other player.

OABB
07-22-2010, 10:45 PM
this just shows what a ****tard pussy cutler was. That is all. Go doom! It's nice to have a man on the team.

FireFly
07-22-2010, 10:45 PM
Problem is...

Bowlen is REALLY going to be broke now!!

HAT
07-22-2010, 10:58 PM
Because some people aren't idiots and realize the impact the financials have on the games themselves. Try telling a Nuggets fan to not care about Kenyon Martin's contract.

I don't even know where to begin with this one....

A) You think 'financials' have an impact on individual games? :rofl:

B) I'm a Laker fan so I could give a **** if the Nug's shot themselves in the foot with K-Mart's contract.....But thank you for making my point for me.

As a PR move, this is a good thing for the Broncos going forward (As Kaylore and others have pointed out). In reality, it's sheer stupidity to make this kind of investment in a one trick pony (no matter how good his trick is).

I love Doom but the actual difference between an 8 sack guy and a 16 sack guy in terms of win's and losses is borderline non-existent.

extralife
07-22-2010, 11:01 PM
What are you even saying anymore? Someone comments on the problems of the contract, and you call him an idiot for worrying about the money. Now, you are complaining that we paid too much? And I am "making your point for you" by pointing out that the Nuggets screwed themselves by signing Kenyon Martin to max, when your original point is that paying attention to contracts is pointless? I'm going to stop paying attention to you until you figure out how to pass the third grade.

HAT
07-22-2010, 11:06 PM
Someone comments on the problems of the contract, and you call him an idiot for worrying about the money.

Link?

Requiem
07-22-2010, 11:06 PM
HAT is on meth right now.

Los Broncos
07-22-2010, 11:16 PM
Nice more sacks for years to come.

Killericon
07-22-2010, 11:20 PM
http://www.samruby.com/Villains/DoctorDoom/DrDoomChap.gif

extralife
07-22-2010, 11:35 PM
Link?

Christ, are you really this dumb? Lets look at your previous posts in this thread:

Out of curiosity....Why would you care what the terms were?

'Lotta words...No answer.

Specifically, why do you personally care what any member of your favorite football makes in any given year?

Going on ignore for being a moron.

Bronco Boy
07-22-2010, 11:37 PM
I don't even know where to begin with this one....

A) You think 'financials' have an impact on individual games? :rofl:

B) I'm a Laker fan so I could give a **** if the Nug's shot themselves in the foot with K-Mart's contract.....But thank you for making my point for me.

As a PR move, this is a good thing for the Broncos going forward (As Kaylore and others have pointed out). In reality, it's sheer stupidity to make this kind of investment in a one trick pony (no matter how good his trick is).

I love Doom but the actual difference between an 8 sack guy and a 16 sack guy in terms of win's and losses is borderline non-existent.

Wow, you are really underestimating the effect a premium pass rusher has on an opposing offense. But, I'm sure you know more than the countless NFL professionals who recognize this. Because you're, you know, some douche on a message board.

broncocalijohn
07-23-2010, 12:02 AM
I would like to request this as the official final nail in the "Bowlen's broke" coffin.


Bowlen isn't broke and never was. Anything you read about them not having money is purely posturing for the new CBA negotiations. Bowlen made all these changes because he wanted to win and it's costing him more to do so. He's still willing to open up his pocketbook for the betterment of the team.

Correct. He was never broke. He just forgot he had money.

SoCalBronco
07-23-2010, 12:11 AM
I would like to request this as the official final nail in the "Bowlen's broke" coffin.

1. "Shanahan was fired because it cost too much to keep him" has been debunked several times since we're paying two head coaches right now.

2. "We traded one of our firsts because Bowlen can't afford two first round picks" was debunked when we traded back into the first this draft which will cost more money than just the high one first rounder had we not.

3. And now "Bowlen will have McD trade away all his good players because he can't afford to extend them" has been debunked with the signing of Kuper and Dumervil.

Bowlen isn't broke and never was. Anything you read about them not having money is purely posturing for the new CBA negotiations. Bowlen made all these changes because he wanted to win and it's costing him more to do so. He's still willing to open up his pocketbook for the betterment of the team.

Bowlen isn't "broke", I agree, but his financial commitment is still not that strong. At least not in recent times. He still makes major splashes from time to time, but his financial commitment issues are one of the main reasons for the team's mediocrity the last six years.

It may surprise people that if we're doing a cash analysis, you'd find that from 2004-2008 (the much maligned last five years of Shanahan tenure), the Broncos overachieved financial expectations or achieved financial expectations 4 TIMES in that 5 year span and the only year they "financially underachieved" resulted in only a slight level of underachievement. The trend continued with McDaniels. Bowlen's still not paying (relatively speaking ofcourse), but they are still overachieving. :

SHANAHAN
2004 PAYROLL 72 MILLION 28TH IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 10-6
2005 PAYROLL 95 MILLION 5TH IN THE NFL (ACHIEVED) 13-3
2006 PAYROLL 94 MILLION 22ND IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 9-7
2007 PAYROLL 102 MILLION 15TH IN THE NFL (SLIGHTLY UNDERACHIEVED) 7-9
2008 PAYROLL 95 MILLION 27TH IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 8-8

MCDANIELS
2009 PAYROLL 102 MILLION 20TH IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 8-8

Source: USA Today Salary Database

While I want them to be somewhat cautious for future CBA/cap purposes, I think they should be at least somewhere in the middle of the road so far as the league goes. That way, they can still be financially conscious while at the same time putting in enough of an investment in talent to keep them competitive. The figures they have put in the last six years or so are certainly below average so far as investment goes.

TheReverend
07-23-2010, 12:16 AM
Fantastic news. Where are all the people that were saying this was entirely too much of a guaranteed ratio?

It's not. It's fair and he earned every penny.

Now tear it up, Elvis.

diehardbroncosfan
07-23-2010, 12:59 AM
details coming!

ESPN's John Clayton reporting Elvis' contract is a 5-year extension totaling 6 years, $61.5 million, w/ $43 million guarantee.

Finally! We have a great pass rusher and for the first time in so long we didn't let him go. We let Berry, Hayward, and Pryce go and that absolutely killed our pass rush in subsequent years. I don't care if we overpaid him. Doom is a great player and guy and absolutely deserves this. He will be a force on our defense for years to come and I'm thrilled that pressure may finally be a consistent thing for our defense!

24champ
07-23-2010, 01:26 AM
Bowlen isn't "broke", I agree, but his financial commitment is still not that strong. At least not in recent times. He still makes major splashes from time to time, but his financial commitment issues are one of the main reasons for the team's mediocrity the last six years.

It may surprise people that if we're doing a cash analysis, you'd find that from 2004-2008 (the much maligned last five years of Shanahan tenure), the Broncos overachieved financial expectations or achieved financial expectations 4 TIMES in that 5 year span and the only year they "financially underachieved" resulted in only a slight level of underachievement. The trend continued with McDaniels. Bowlen's still not paying (relatively speaking ofcourse), but they are still overachieving. :

SHANAHAN
2004 PAYROLL 72 MILLION 28TH IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 10-6
2005 PAYROLL 95 MILLION 5TH IN THE NFL (ACHIEVED) 13-3
2006 PAYROLL 94 MILLION 22ND IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 9-7
2007 PAYROLL 102 MILLION 15TH IN THE NFL (SLIGHTLY UNDERACHIEVED) 7-9
2008 PAYROLL 95 MILLION 27TH IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 8-8

MCDANIELS
2009 PAYROLL 102 MILLION 20TH IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 8-8

Source: USA Today Salary Database

While I want them to be somewhat cautious for future CBA/cap purposes, I think they should be at least somewhere in the middle of the road so far as the league goes. That way, they can still be financially conscious while at the same time putting in enough of an investment in talent to keep them competitive. The figures they have put in the last six years or so are certainly below average so far as investment goes.

Right, probably why these negotiations took forever. Bowlen one of the poorest owners in the NFL and has shell corporations and other investors that finance this team. If anyone knows how Bowlen bought the team...then they know his financial portfolio isn't that strong to begin with.

bowtown
07-23-2010, 02:50 AM
I would like to request this as the official final nail in the "Bowlen's broke" coffin.

1. "Shanahan was fired because it cost too much to keep him" has been debunked several times since we're paying two head coaches right now.

2. "We traded one of our firsts because Bowlen can't afford two first round picks" was debunked when we traded back into the first this draft which will cost more money than just the high one first rounder had we not.

3. And now "Bowlen will have McD trade away all his good players because he can't afford to extend them" has been debunked with the signing of Kuper and Dumervil.

Bowlen isn't broke and never was. Anything you read about them not having money is purely posturing for the new CBA negotiations. Bowlen made all these changes because he wanted to win and it's costing him more to do so. He's still willing to open up his pocketbook for the betterment of the team.

http://www.pycomall.com/images/P/Los-Angeles-Clippers-eps.jpg

UberBroncoMan
07-23-2010, 03:09 AM
Fantastic news. Where are all the people that were saying this was entirely too much of a guaranteed ratio?

It's not. It's fair and he earned every penny.

Now tear it up, Elvis.

Now imagine if Ayers can take it to the next level.

oubronco
07-23-2010, 04:40 AM
Doom how do you feel about getting all this money?

I Love Mama!!

Garcia Bronco
07-23-2010, 05:20 AM
Sweet

Homer Simpson
07-23-2010, 05:29 AM
Great news for the Broncos and you guys are having a pissing match, utterly childish knuckle dragging nonsense.

ColoradoDarin
07-23-2010, 05:29 AM
best Bronco news I've heard since the draft!

Congrats Doom! This is a well deserved contract, and he was a man about the negotiations. Maybe with this publicity he can get a holding call every once in a while.....

i4jelway7
07-23-2010, 05:42 AM
this was HUGE for the broncos to get done and they did it

~Crash~
07-23-2010, 05:48 AM
Way too much for a one-dimensional LB'er. I'm glad we have him...but, that's too much for what he brings to the table.

say's the man with a Quinn as his avitar:giggle:

jhns
07-23-2010, 05:52 AM
That is great to hear. Best move of the offseason.

So much for all the crap about teams not signing guys this year. I can't count the times I have heard that on this forum.

bronclvr
07-23-2010, 06:10 AM
I can't add much, but I am happy to have character guys like Doom-if we can't win the SB this Year at least we can lose with class. At the end of the day it just makes me feel better to root for good guys like him, Tebow and Kuper-it brings back pride in your Team-glad to see the Broncos to send a message-

Hamrob
07-23-2010, 06:13 AM
For this concerned about the price, this is as much about sending a message to the rest of the players and league about how McDaniels run shop as it is about rewarding one player. This says if you're a good soldier and play by the rules you get rewarded. It adds a huge amount of clout to McDaniels.Look, Elvis is hardly a Pro bowl lock. He's played good not Great over his first 4yrs. For this type of money he will need to become an all around LB. 10-12 sacks isn't going to cut it.

Garcia Bronco
07-23-2010, 06:17 AM
Hat,

Doom took over a series in games last year that won us games. Without him we lose the SD game for example. So your opinion that the 8 sack guy versus the 16 sack doesn't translate into wins from a overall team perspective is correct, but in the finer deetails it's incorrect.

bowtown
07-23-2010, 06:34 AM
So does this mean we will still be trading away Clady next?

cmhargrove
07-23-2010, 06:40 AM
I love the message Bowlen is sending here - this makes me feel good as a fan. We may have overpaid here, but it makes me feel a lot better than what we paid for guys like Simms, Travis Henry, and Niko Koodoo-doo-doo lately.

If Wink really cranks the D up to look like the Jets or Ravens attacking style, Elvis will be a key piece of that. Not to mention that we still have to take down Philip Rivers and Peyton Manning if we want to get to the Superbowl. No one on our team has shown the ability to do that more than Elvis.

It's kind of like a great vacation - lots of money, maybe too much money, but money well spent.

Cito Pelon
07-23-2010, 06:43 AM
I agree with Kaylore. Overpaying Doom is a good think because it sends the message loud and clear that if you are a good player and a team guy you will get paid. If you are a great player but a distraction you will not get paid here.

I wonder if they're fully expecting him to be playing 18 reg season games after the new CBA is signed. ;D

$43 mil guaranteed is probably more than they wanted to pay, but all things taken in to consideration maybe they figured they'd roll the dice to get it done fast, not have it drag out.

He's a productive guy, even if he isn't the greatest run-stuffer. I think he's adequate against the rush myself, some people keep harping on it like he's an extreme liability which he is not.

Cito Pelon
07-23-2010, 06:51 AM
That's certainly a good argument.....there is definitely merit in the idea of paying a little more to players who are good soldiers so that others are incentivized to conduct themselves in a nicer way (both to the organization and also off the field so far as personal conduct goes)....although that rationale probably doesn't justify more than a relatively small to moderate "good guy" bonus, as at the end of the day the basic bargain mainly revolves around skill and on field contribution.

I'm happy Doom is here...I have alot of respect for him and he's absolutely vital to our pass rush. It's a bit pricey and I am concerned about it with what lies ahead in collective bargaining, but they were kind of behind the eight ball with him, as there's no one else that can replace that (and Denver had sufficiently penny pinched in recent years so that they are probably well below what the cap would have been now).

Well, you're right that if there were a cap Elvis would probably count as over 10% of the total. If I read right that he'd be as high as $14 mil as a cap hit, of course the cap would have to be $140 mil for him to be at 10% of it. I think the cap was at apx $120 mil last year????

dbfan21
07-23-2010, 06:58 AM
For this concerned about the price, this is as much about sending a message to the rest of the players and league about how McDaniels run shop as it is about rewarding one player. This says if you're a good soldier and play by the rules you get rewarded. It adds a huge amount of clout to McDaniels.

Absolutely right on! I am glad this happened. It will lay the foundation for future contract negotiations from the perspective of: If you play hard, perform and do the right things, you wil get rewarded.

Today's a good day!! :thumbs:

dbfan4life
07-23-2010, 07:04 AM
Way too much money, but he had to get locked up.

You think so? I thought it was a very fair and reasonable contract.

BowlenBall
07-23-2010, 07:12 AM
I'm absolutely ecstatic over this contract extension. My 8 year old son will now come of age (in terms of football) rooting for stand-up guys like Elvis and Chris Kuper. High character, high effort players who are also great role models.

Congratulations Doom -- you've done it the right way, and have been rewarded for it.

I'm proud to be a Bronco fan today.

illbroncsfn
07-23-2010, 07:13 AM
I love the message Bowlen is sending here - this makes me feel good as a fan. We may have overpaid here, but it makes me feel a lot better than what we paid for guys like Simms, Travis Henry, and Niko Koodoo-doo-doo lately.

If Wink really cranks the D up to look like the Jets or Ravens attacking style, Elvis will be a key piece of that. Not to mention that we stilll have to take down Philip Rives and Peyton manning if we want to get to the Superbowl. No one on our team has shown the ability to do that more than Elvis.

It's kind of like a great vacation - lots of money, maybe too much money, but money well spent.

Great post:thumbs:

I for one am happy for Elvis as well for the Broncos organization as this move does set the tone for the McDaniels era going forward.

DenverBrit
07-23-2010, 07:17 AM
Dumervil, Broncos agree to deal through 2015 season
Linebacker: "I'm wanting to show these other teams what they missed out on"
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
Posted: 07/22/2010 10:04:33 PM MDT
Updated: 07/23/2010 05:57:12 AM MDT

Elvis Dumervil: "It's going to be tough but a lot of teams passed on me before the Broncos selected me with the 126th pick. ... Now I want to prove to other teams that the Broncos were right in wanting to reward me by extending me." (Denver Post file photo)

Living up to his given middle name, Elvis Kool Dumervil never demanded a trade. He often praised, never ripped, his head coach. He didn't even miss offseason minicamps.

For his patience and professionalism, but mostly for his NFL-leading 17 sacks last season, Dumervil was rewarded Thursday by the Broncos with a five-year, $58.332 million contract extension.

"Money is not everything, and that's the way I was brought up," said Dumervil, who grew up in the Little Haiti neighborhood of Miami. "It's nice when you get it, don't get me wrong, but I was always taught that you get what you put into it. And as long as you conduct yourself as such, good things will happen for you."

On top of the $3.168 million salary Dumervil was
Broncos LB Elvis Dumervil already going to make this season, his contract stretches to six years and $61.5 million.

He will receive an NFL-record $43.168 million of that money, guaranteed against injury, through the next four seasons, according to two NFL sources.

Considering the NFL could shut down in 2011 over a labor dispute, and considering Dumervil could have received the franchise tag as an unrestricted free agent in 2011-12, the Broncos came up big.

Call the Broncos painfully mediocre in recent seasons. Call them maddeningly poor finishers in recent seasons.

Just don't call them cheap. It's the biggest contract the Broncos and owner Pat Bowlen have paid since they signed cornerback Champ Bailey to a seven-year, $63 million deal prior to the 2004 season.

"I'm very thankful and very appreciative," Dumervil said late Thursday night. "I'm appreciative of the fans for being supportive, the Broncos, coach (Josh) McDaniels, Pat Bowlen himself for stepping up and getting this done in a difficult situation of the unknown for next year."

Retaining Dumervil for the long term was a much-needed statement delivered by the Broncos and McDaniels, who in the past two seasons have dealt away unhappy stars Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall and
Tony Scheffler.

While the total value of Dumervil's deal falls short of those given to Dallas' DeMarcus Ware, Chicago's Julius Peppers and Baltimore's Terrell Suggs, the guaranteed portion set a new record for the pass-rushing position.

Dumervil's $43.168 million in guaranteed money surpasses that of Peppers ($42 million), Ware ($40 million) and Suggs ($38.1 million).

"He has established himself as one of the NFL's premier pass rushers, and he's an important part of the foundation we are building with this team," Broncos general manager Brian Xanders said in a statement.

Dumervil, 26, was clearly the NCAA's best pass rusher in his senior season of 2005 at Louisville when he posted 20 sacks and 10 forced fumbles. However, because he is undersized as a defensive end at 5-feet-11, 248 pounds, Dumervil wasn't selected in the 2006 draft until the fourth round, No. 126 overall.

Now that Dumervil has received his new contract, don't be surprised if his sack totals go down while his value soars. Dumervil figures to become a marked man by opposing offenses this season with teams making sure a second blocker whether a tight end, pulling guard or running back is on him.

As Dumervil draws double teams on passing downs, it will be imperative for other Broncos such as Robert Ayers to develop as rushers.

"It's going to be tough but a lot of teams passed on me before the Broncos selected me with the 126th pick," Dumervil said. "I'm wanting to show these other teams what they missed out on. I'm obsessed with that. I feel bitter about those decisions. Now I want to prove to other teams that the Broncos were right in wanting to reward me by extending me.

"I'm just getting started. I don't play the game for money. It's nice to know I don't have to have to worry about taking care of my family, but I love the game. That alone, I expect to stay in double-digits in sacks."

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/0722/20100722_113545_ChartDumervil072310_200.jpg

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15582233

TonyR
07-23-2010, 07:32 AM
Way too much for a one-dimensional LB'er. I'm glad we have him...but, that's too much for what he brings to the table.

I love Doom, glad he's staying, glad they got it done, but agree with the "overpay" sentiment, particularly in this current CBA predicament, even though it's unpopular.

Rohirrim
07-23-2010, 07:33 AM
Very good news to start my day. Doom isn't going anywhere. Sweet!

TonyR
07-23-2010, 07:34 AM
So much for all the crap about teams not signing guys this year.

Well, in general teams still aren't signing guys this year. There are multiple examples on the Jets, Pats, and Chargers alone. Broncos definitely went against the grain with this one.

Rock Chalk
07-23-2010, 07:43 AM
I don't even know where to begin with this one....

A) You think 'financials' have an impact on individual games? :rofl:

B) I'm a Laker fan so I could give a **** if the Nug's shot themselves in the foot with K-Mart's contract.....But thank you for making my point for me.

As a PR move, this is a good thing for the Broncos going forward (As Kaylore and others have pointed out). In reality, it's sheer stupidity to make this kind of investment in a one trick pony (no matter how good his trick is).

I love Doom but the actual difference between an 8 sack guy and a 16 sack guy in terms of win's and losses is borderline non-existent.

I demand that HAT ben banned for a day for circumventing the censors. All rules apply to everyone. I circumvented them and was banned, HAT must be banned or justice is not served!

Broncoman13
07-23-2010, 07:43 AM
I was pretty close in projecting the final compensation.

baja
07-23-2010, 07:44 AM
That is great to hear. Best move of the offseason.

So much for all the crap about teams not signing guys this year. I can't count the times I have heard that on this forum.

Can you count the big contract extentions?

jhns
07-23-2010, 07:49 AM
Can you count the big contract extentions?

I can count two. The two I wanted to see. To bad one was after the player was traded away.

If you are asking if I follow every team in the league and every contract extension, the answer would be no.

Chris
07-23-2010, 07:52 AM
How does this compare to other top pass rusher contracts?

Cito Pelon
07-23-2010, 07:52 AM
best Bronco news I've heard since the draft!

Congrats Doom! This is a well deserved contract, and he was a man about the negotiations. Maybe with this publicity he can get a holding call every once in a while.....

Good point.

crush17
07-23-2010, 07:56 AM
How does this compare to other top pass rusher contracts?

Dumervil's $43.168 million in guaranteed money surpasses that of Peppers ($42 million), Ware ($40 million) and Suggs ($38.1 million).

baja
07-23-2010, 07:57 AM
I can count two. The two I wanted to see. To bad one was after the player was traded away.

If you are asking if I follow every team in the league and every contract extension, the answer would be no.

My point is most teams are not extending players, a fact that you reduculed other posters for making.

SonOfLe-loLang
07-23-2010, 08:03 AM
I would like to request this as the official final nail in the "Bowlen's broke" coffin.

1. "Shanahan was fired because it cost too much to keep him" has been debunked several times since we're paying two head coaches right now.

2. "We traded one of our firsts because Bowlen can't afford two first round picks" was debunked when we traded back into the first this draft which will cost more money than just the high one first rounder had we not.

3. And now "Bowlen will have McD trade away all his good players because he can't afford to extend them" has been debunked with the signing of Kuper and Dumervil.

Bowlen isn't broke and never was. Anything you read about them not having money is purely posturing for the new CBA negotiations. Bowlen made all these changes because he wanted to win and it's costing him more to do so. He's still willing to open up his pocketbook for the betterment of the team.

I'm still buying into it for a few reasons. 1) obviously, his financial outlook may have changed over the last few years. We're still in a recession, but for lots of the rich, not so much anymore. 2) At least when I personally made those claims, he was staring down a Cutler, Marshall, Doom, Scheff, Kuper extension. Obviously, getting rid of 3 of those guys opened up some contract room. I never really thought Bowlen was broke, but I think for once he was thinking with his wallet as well.

DenverBrit
07-23-2010, 08:09 AM
How does this compare to other top pass rusher contracts?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2884989&postcount=114

gyldenlove
07-23-2010, 08:11 AM
Great news to get home to.

jhns
07-23-2010, 08:12 AM
My point is most teams are not extending players, a fact that you reduculed other posters for making.

I don't know what you consider a fact but on the first page of a google search I found many teams have given extentions this year. We have extended two important players. The Dolphins have extended multiple players. The Patriots extended a LB. The Saints are working on a contract for Brees, or signed one, I didn't read it. The Bears and Cowboys have given big contracts this year. This was all the first page. It seems to me people were talking out there ass. I'm sure teams are being more cautious and I'm sure there are still contracts that need worked out. It is still pretty obvious that this excuse of teams not wanting to resign players is not valid.

This team didn't need the excuses. They did good. All top defenses need a pass rusher, or three, like Dum. Most of these guys are paid a ton for good reason. Good to see he will be around for a while.

Rabb
07-23-2010, 08:12 AM
great time to be a Bronco fan, love this news

MAN I am excited for TC to start

Cito Pelon
07-23-2010, 08:16 AM
Dumervil, Broncos agree to deal through 2015 season
Linebacker: "I'm wanting to show these other teams what they missed out on"
By Mike Klis
The Denver Post
Posted: 07/22/2010 10:04:33 PM MDT
Updated: 07/23/2010 05:57:12 AM MDT

Elvis Dumervil: "It's going to be tough but a lot of teams passed on me before the Broncos selected me with the 126th pick. ... Now I want to prove to other teams that the Broncos were right in wanting to reward me by extending me." (Denver Post file photo)

Living up to his given middle name, Elvis Kool Dumervil never demanded a trade. He often praised, never ripped, his head coach. He didn't even miss offseason minicamps.

For his patience and professionalism, but mostly for his NFL-leading 17 sacks last season, Dumervil was rewarded Thursday by the Broncos with a five-year, $58.332 million contract extension.

"Money is not everything, and that's the way I was brought up," said Dumervil, who grew up in the Little Haiti neighborhood of Miami. "It's nice when you get it, don't get me wrong, but I was always taught that you get what you put into it. And as long as you conduct yourself as such, good things will happen for you."

On top of the $3.168 million salary Dumervil was
Broncos LB Elvis Dumervil already going to make this season, his contract stretches to six years and $61.5 million.

He will receive an NFL-record $43.168 million of that money, guaranteed against injury, through the next four seasons, according to two NFL sources.

Considering the NFL could shut down in 2011 over a labor dispute, and considering Dumervil could have received the franchise tag as an unrestricted free agent in 2011-12, the Broncos came up big.

Call the Broncos painfully mediocre in recent seasons. Call them maddeningly poor finishers in recent seasons.

Just don't call them cheap. It's the biggest contract the Broncos and owner Pat Bowlen have paid since they signed cornerback Champ Bailey to a seven-year, $63 million deal prior to the 2004 season.

"I'm very thankful and very appreciative," Dumervil said late Thursday night. "I'm appreciative of the fans for being supportive, the Broncos, coach (Josh) McDaniels, Pat Bowlen himself for stepping up and getting this done in a difficult situation of the unknown for next year."

Retaining Dumervil for the long term was a much-needed statement delivered by the Broncos and McDaniels, who in the past two seasons have dealt away unhappy stars Jay Cutler, Brandon Marshall and
Tony Scheffler.

While the total value of Dumervil's deal falls short of those given to Dallas' DeMarcus Ware, Chicago's Julius Peppers and Baltimore's Terrell Suggs, the guaranteed portion set a new record for the pass-rushing position.

Dumervil's $43.168 million in guaranteed money surpasses that of Peppers ($42 million), Ware ($40 million) and Suggs ($38.1 million).

"He has established himself as one of the NFL's premier pass rushers, and he's an important part of the foundation we are building with this team," Broncos general manager Brian Xanders said in a statement.

Dumervil, 26, was clearly the NCAA's best pass rusher in his senior season of 2005 at Louisville when he posted 20 sacks and 10 forced fumbles. However, because he is undersized as a defensive end at 5-feet-11, 248 pounds, Dumervil wasn't selected in the 2006 draft until the fourth round, No. 126 overall.

Now that Dumervil has received his new contract, don't be surprised if his sack totals go down while his value soars. Dumervil figures to become a marked man by opposing offenses this season with teams making sure a second blocker whether a tight end, pulling guard or running back is on him.

As Dumervil draws double teams on passing downs, it will be imperative for other Broncos such as Robert Ayers to develop as rushers.

"It's going to be tough but a lot of teams passed on me before the Broncos selected me with the 126th pick," Dumervil said. "I'm wanting to show these other teams what they missed out on. I'm obsessed with that. I feel bitter about those decisions. Now I want to prove to other teams that the Broncos were right in wanting to reward me by extending me.

"I'm just getting started. I don't play the game for money. It's nice to know I don't have to have to worry about taking care of my family, but I love the game. That alone, I expect to stay in double-digits in sacks."

http://extras.mnginteractive.com/live/media/site36/2010/0722/20100722_113545_ChartDumervil072310_200.jpg

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15582233

I guess this bolded is possible, but I'm skeptical. Teams simply cannot at all times predict which side of the formation Elvis will be on. He's always moved from side to side.

I can see where there is some point to what Klis is saying, but I think Klis is getting a little carried away trying to make a point.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-23-2010, 08:37 AM
I guess this bolded is possible, but I'm skeptical. Teams simply cannot at all times predict which side of the formation Elvis will be on. He's always moved from side to side.

I can see where there is some point to what Klis is saying, but I think Klis is getting a little carried away trying to make a point.

WHAT?? No way! I don't believe it! Not in the Post! They'd never do that!

gtown
07-23-2010, 08:49 AM
What am I gonna do without major training camp drama? I am literally drowning in the boredom. I'm jonesing for a holdout.

yerner
07-23-2010, 09:06 AM
Dumervil's $43.168 million in guaranteed money surpasses that of Peppers ($42 million), Ware ($40 million) and Suggs ($38.1 million).

Wow. That's a great deal for Doom. Looks like his agent bitch slapped Xanders (sp?) and Mcd in the negotiation because Elvis isn't in the same league as those guys yet.

backup qb
07-23-2010, 09:11 AM
Just saw this news. Sweet.

HEAV
07-23-2010, 09:14 AM
Very happy that this is now settled. Maybe (finally) people will stop the McD hates Shanny players crap...

We have a solid mix of veterans and youth on the team now. Just need to let it gel and see where it goes in 2010.

Popps
07-23-2010, 09:34 AM
Teams knew Doom was a force last year, and he still did well. I do agree he may see more double-teams, but like the article said... that's going to open up opportunities for other players, too.

I absolutely love this signing, and I don't care if we overpaid a bit. It'll wind up being worth it.



By the way, has anyone explained how/why we signed Doom... considering the team is broke and Bowlen is selling off all of our assets?

Hmmmm.

Los Broncos
07-23-2010, 09:38 AM
Teams knew Doom was a force last year, and he still did well. I do agree he may see more double-teams, but like the article said... that's going to open up opportunities for other players, too.

I absolutely love this signing, and I don't care if we overpaid a bit. It'll wind up being worth it.



By the way, has anyone explained how/why we signed Doom... considering the team is broke and Bowlen is selling off all of our assets?

Hmmmm.

Pat quit drinking is what I heard, that's how we afforded it.

bowtown
07-23-2010, 09:55 AM
Pat quit drinking is what I heard, that's how we afforded it.

That's crazy talk. I did hear that he turned his bathtub into a distillery though. You save a lot of money when you do it yourself.

outdoor_miner
07-23-2010, 09:57 AM
I guess this bolded is possible, but I'm skeptical. Teams simply cannot at all times predict which side of the formation Elvis will be on. He's always moved from side to side.

I can see where there is some point to what Klis is saying, but I think Klis is getting a little carried away trying to make a point.

Totally agree. I've heard the same point made several times, and it just holds no water... Mainly because: WHO ELSE HAS THERE BEEN TO FOCUS ON FOR THE PAST 3 YEARS??? I mean - unless they just didn't bother game-planning against the Broncos, then they were already focused on Doom.

2008 - "Alright boys... Huddle up! We're playing the Broncos next week. And as you all know, we need to figure out some way to keep Nate Webster out of the backfield. I want 110% focus on this for the entire week. Joe - you're Webster in practice this week. Here - take this red jersey and modified spring-loaded helmet. I want you to get washed out in traffic and, more importantly, I want that helmet flying off at least 10 times a practice until we get this right! Now, let's go boys!!!"

2009 - "Alright, men... we got Denver coming to town. Now, I know what you're thinking... How the hell we gonna handle that line??? Let me tell you, something... I've been in this game a long long time, and coached against some of the best to ever play. I was coaching O-line in Cleveland during the Steel Curtain days. And you know what? McBean, Fields, Peterson, Thomas - aka "The Un-***withable Four" - is right up there with them. I'm not saying that to scare you, but when you play the best you gotta bring your best, and we're playin the best this week!!!"

azbroncfan
07-23-2010, 10:09 AM
Look, Elvis is hardly a Pro bowl lock. He's played good not Great over his first 4yrs. For this type of money he will need to become an all around LB. 10-12 sacks isn't going to cut it.

Who has had more sacks than him since he has been in the league? Jared Allen and maybe one other guy?

Kaylore
07-23-2010, 10:18 AM
I'm still buying into it for a few reasons. 1) obviously, his financial outlook may have changed over the last few years. We're still in a recession, but for lots of the rich, not so much anymore. 2) At least when I personally made those claims, he was staring down a Cutler, Marshall, Doom, Scheff, Kuper extension. Obviously, getting rid of 3 of those guys opened up some contract room. I never really thought Bowlen was broke, but I think for once he was thinking with his wallet as well.
Having financial difficulties and being broke are two different things.

We've signed a hoard of free agents every offseason and extended the contracts of the players we needed to keep. I still think firing Shanahan and letting Marshall and Cutler walk had more to do with not winning, and player' attitude problem than Bowlen wanting to get out of paying.

Inkana7
07-23-2010, 10:34 AM
I don't know what you consider a fact but on the first page of a google search I found many teams have given extentions this year. We have extended two important players. The Dolphins have extended multiple players. The Patriots extended a LB. The Saints are working on a contract for Brees, or signed one, I didn't read it. The Bears and Cowboys have given big contracts this year. This was all the first page. It seems to me people were talking out there ass. I'm sure teams are being more cautious and I'm sure there are still contracts that need worked out. It is still pretty obvious that this excuse of teams not wanting to resign players is not valid.

This team didn't need the excuses. They did good. All top defenses need a pass rusher, or three, like Dum. Most of these guys are paid a ton for good reason. Good to see he will be around for a while.

People were making the statement that Restricted Free Agents weren't getting signed/extended, not just players in general. Dumervil is one of very few RFAs, and one of the only good ones, to get a deal.

Just because random LB X from Miami got extended doesn't mean you're right.

Tombstone RJ
07-23-2010, 10:38 AM
Wow. That's a great deal for Doom. Looks like his agent b**** slapped Xanders (sp?) and Mcd in the negotiation because Elvis isn't in the same league as those guys yet.

His guaranteed money is right in line with Suggs and Peppers and he's still a young guy.

jhns
07-23-2010, 10:52 AM
People were making the statement that Restricted Free Agents weren't getting signed/extended, not just players in general. Dumervil is one of very few RFAs, and one of the only good ones, to get a deal.

Just because random LB X from Miami got extended doesn't mean you're right.

I would say the fact that both Kuper and Dum have been extended says that I am right. Are you really going to claim now that the team is not signing guys because of the CBA not being done? What are you even arguing? We are going to take back the extention until they agree on a new CBA? Are you claiming people weren't talking out there ass when they say we are holding off on players that we didn't hold off extending?

The ones arguing about this are most likely the ones that said this a bunch.

IHaveALight
07-23-2010, 11:05 AM
What am I gonna do without major training camp drama? I am literally drowning in the boredom. I'm jonesing for a holdout.

:spit:

yerner
07-23-2010, 11:15 AM
His guaranteed money is right in line with Suggs and Peppers and he's still a young guy.

Agreed. I'm glad they locked him up. But that is a serious win for Dooms agents. They are paying him with the perceived top players in the league at that position. I'm not sure he warrants that type of contract yet. But I'm glad the Broncos took the risk.

baja
07-23-2010, 11:32 AM
Teams knew Doom was a force last year, and he still did well. I do agree he may see more double-teams, but like the article said... that's going to open up opportunities for other players, too.

I absolutely love this signing, and I don't care if we overpaid a bit. It'll wind up being worth it.



By the way, has anyone explained how/why we signed Doom... considering the team is broke and Bowlen is selling off all of our assets?

Hmmmm.

He afforded it by not paying the ME guys, Cutler- Marshall - Schlefter.

baja
07-23-2010, 11:33 AM
That's crazy talk. I did hear that he turned his bathtub into a distillery though. You save a lot of money when you do it yourself.

and he saves even more by still bathing in that tub.

bowtown
07-23-2010, 11:39 AM
Wow. That's a great deal for Doom. Looks like his agent b**** slapped Xanders (sp?) and Mcd in the negotiation because Elvis isn't in the same league as those guys yet.

Sorry, not even in the same league? His sack total is only third to Allen and Ware over the past 3 years. You can make an argument that he's not as good an all around player as Ware or Suggs, but to suggest that he's not even in the same league is ridiculous.

Br0nc0Buster
07-23-2010, 11:45 AM
Agreed. I'm glad they locked him up. But that is a serious win for Dooms agents. They are paying him with the perceived top players in the league at that position. I'm not sure he warrants that type of contract yet. But I'm glad the Broncos took the risk.

well I think it is a bit expensive for him, however if you compare it to the likes of Suggs, and Peppers it isnt too bad

Ware is the best, he isnt as good as him no argument here
but Suggs only has 27 sacks the past 4 years while Doom has 43
Peppers is what 30 years old while Doom is only 26 and doom also has 9 more sacks the past 4 years than him

So while his contract could be a bit overpriced, I think because of his age and productivity Doom's contract is just as reasonable as Suggs and Peppers

he may be a bit of a one trick pony, but his one trick is the most important part of a defense

bowtown
07-23-2010, 11:55 AM
What I find hilarious is all the anti-McDaniels crowd, a month ago, were running around predicting that Doom would be traded and that the McDaniels supporters would then spin it that Doom wasn't worth the big money. And now that he has actually signed, it's the anti-McDaniels crowd who are the ones running around spinning the exact same thing. Good stuff.

Hulamau
07-23-2010, 12:15 PM
For this concerned about the price, this is as much about sending a message to the rest of the players and league about how McDaniels run shop as it is about rewarding one player. This says if you're a good soldier and play by the rules you get rewarded. It adds a huge amount of clout to McDaniels.

Definitely true another big piece in place for building the new Bronco way of doing business. Sets a very good example! Glad to see it.

yerner
07-23-2010, 01:10 PM
Sorry, not even in the same league? His sack total is only third to Allen and Ware over the past 3 years. You can make an argument that he's not as good an all around player as Ware or Suggs, but to suggest that he's not even in the same league is ridiculous.

No it's not. Sack totals aren't everything. 'Not in the same league' is a subjective term anyways. I'm just surprised Doom got payed like he is the best at his position in the entire league.

yerner
07-23-2010, 01:13 PM
well I think it is a bit expensive for him, however if you compare it to the likes of Suggs, and Peppers it isnt too bad

Ware is the best, he isnt as good as him no argument here
but Suggs only has 27 sacks the past 4 years while Doom has 43
Peppers is what 30 years old while Doom is only 26 and doom also has 9 more sacks the past 4 years than him

So while his contract could be a bit overpriced, I think because of his age and productivity Doom's contract is just as reasonable as Suggs and Peppers

he may be a bit of a one trick pony, but his one trick is the most important part of a defense

Yeah I agree. It's just team's can get in trouble giving this type of money to players too early. He is getting paid like the big boys now so he needs to step it up even more. Having Doom is great though.

Rabb
07-23-2010, 01:20 PM
What I find hilarious is all the anti-McDaniels crowd, a month ago, were running around predicting that Doom would be traded and that the McDaniels supporters would then spin it that Doom wasn't worth the big money. And now that he has actually signed, it's the anti-McDaniels crowd who are the ones running around spinning the exact same thing. Good stuff.

was just thinking that same thing

Rabb
07-23-2010, 01:24 PM
No it's not. Sack totals aren't everything. 'Not in the same league' is a subjective term anyways. I'm just surprised Doom got payed like he is the best at his position in the entire league.

Marshall just got Fitzgerald type money

is he in the same league?

Cool Breeze
07-23-2010, 01:28 PM
Woo Hoo!!! Good job Broncos! Keeep up the good work!
I like it when the good guys win!

Doggcow
07-23-2010, 01:35 PM
Very happy with this move.

Naggle Nole
07-23-2010, 01:47 PM
Personally, I am pretty damn pumped
I totally agree with the sentiment that any "overpayment" to Doom is totally justified by the fact that is reinforces McD's M.O.
There is now a tangible, poignant example to point to that if you just "do your job" and do it well, you will be compensated accordingly

I have noticed that some people have reservations about the contract, stating that his performance does not match the compensation (particularly the guaranteed money)
I wanted to go into that a little further

So, for sake of simplification, let's say that an OLB's responsibilities are thus: pass rush, coverage, run support
I think that no one here would argue that Doom is a top 5 pass rusher in this league, so let's look at the other two

His coverage skills are not particularly amazing, but how much responsibility does he have in this scheme?
I was under the impression that in a 3-4, the ILB's have more of the load for TE's and inside routes
Is Doom then on the hook for backs that are flaring out or perhaps short out routes in a zone coverage?
I am not an expert in X's and O's like some around here are, I am just using some common sense
I bring this up because I feel that Doom certainly shows the agility to mark his man
Besides, I believe that he need only be average in coverage because the defense should be schemed well enough to where our best pass rusher is playing to his strength
He only need be competent in coverage, IMHO

So lastly, we look at what most people point out, which is his run support
I have noticed from watching the games that Doom's problem is not whiffing on tackles
This is very important, because we have seen what happens when you hold your breath for a defensive player to simply "get better at tackling" (see Webster, Nate or Abdullah, Hamza)
Many of the blogs that I have read state that his problem is not missing the tackle, but rather being in the proper position to make it
Once again, this points to it being not so much an athletic deficiency as much as it as familiarity with the system and game-planning
I see no reason to not believe that after OTA's, TC, and preseason this area should be dramatically improved

I say all that to say this: this contract is great for Bronco's fans and we have every reason to believe that Doom has earned it and will continue to earn it :thumbs:
Hell, if he makes that next quantum leap in his run support and his coverage skills become adequate to above average for this scheme and for his position, then I think we may actually look back in a few years and say this was a steal
Remember, the market is always set by the latest contract
Doom's contract was probably based off of Peppers, Ware, Suggs, etc.
When it comes time for Mario Williams to re-up (or Lights-Off if he ever regains pre-roid form), you can rest assured that they will go to their agents and say "If Doom got $43 million and change guaranteed, I want $45-50 million"

And there you have it, my optimist's take on things
Let me know where I erred, as if you wouldn't anyway :-*

BlaK-Argentina
07-23-2010, 02:30 PM
What I find hilarious is all the anti-McDaniels crowd, a month ago, were running around predicting that Doom would be traded and that the McDaniels supporters would then spin it that Doom wasn't worth the big money. And now that he has actually signed, it's the anti-McDaniels crowd who are the ones running around spinning the exact same thing. Good stuff.

Great post. Some of you guys are unbelievable.

DivineLegion
07-23-2010, 02:36 PM
We used Doom last season almost exclusively as a pass rusher. I can only remember one or two times a game where he would drop back in a shallow zone, and one time specifically where he was asked to play man in the flat (He was covering the back and got torched). Elvis' biggest problem is against the run. He can use his small stature to cause havoc when he is trying to penetrate, but when he has to hold at the point of attack he is getting pushed around. He is also pretty slow in pursuit, and I don't think this is something we are ever going to see improve. He can take better angles sure but over all his a lot quicker than he is fast. He is still worth every penny of this contract, and when I am done writing this post I think I'm going to buy a Doom jersey.

baja
07-23-2010, 02:36 PM
What I find hilarious is all the anti-McDaniels crowd, a month ago, were running around predicting that Doom would be traded and that the McDaniels supporters would then spin it that Doom wasn't worth the big money. And now that he has actually signed, it's the anti-McDaniels crowd who are the ones running around spinning the exact same thing. Good stuff.


OK lets have the names

jhns
07-23-2010, 02:42 PM
OK lets have the names

They don't have names. They just enjoy crying and talking ****. I bet most of you put me in the McDaniels haters group and I haven't said anything that is being cried about in that post. I love the signing and never once said McDaniels would get rid of him and blame it on money.

Haters will hate.

OABB
07-23-2010, 03:10 PM
They don't have names. They just enjoy crying and talking ****. I bet most of you put me in the McDaniels haters group and I haven't said anything that is being cried about in that post. I love the signing and never once said McDaniels would get rid of him and blame it on money.

Haters will hate.

Why would anyone think you are in the anti mcdaniels camp and a constant crybaby? Do they actually read your posts?

Oh, that must be it actually.

jhns
07-23-2010, 03:18 PM
Why would anyone think you are in the anti mcdaniels camp and a constant crybaby? Do they actually read your posts?

Oh, that must be it actually.

I don't know. That might be it. Maybe you should make a poll and see.

HEAV
07-23-2010, 03:59 PM
Why would anyone think you are in the anti mcdaniels camp and a constant crybaby? Do they actually read your posts?

Oh, that must be it actually.

This message is hidden because jhns is on your ignore list. ;D

BroncosSR
07-23-2010, 04:08 PM
Way too much for a one-dimensional LB'er. I'm glad we have him...but, that's too much for what he brings to the table.

Couldn't agree more. No way is he worth that money. This contract will bite the Broncos in the ass in a year or two.

Broncojef
07-23-2010, 05:21 PM
Couldn't agree more. No way is he worth that money. This contract will bite the Broncos in the ass in a year or two.

Agree with the we payed too much sentiment and glad hes on the team. I think Doom benefited from marshall and Cutler in that the Broncos needed a poster child to reward in a positive manner and send a message to the team. Doom was in the right place at the right time IMO.

KipCorrington25
07-23-2010, 05:39 PM
I didn't think they would sign him, I was wrong, I'm glad I was wrong but I'll eat my crow. This does give me more faith in the current regime and I'm glad to see the talent drain at least stopping here and this is a good guy so I think the investment is solid.

Doggcow
07-23-2010, 06:09 PM
Couldn't agree more. No way is he worth that money. This contract will bite the Broncos in the ass in a year or two.

Thanks for trolling.

Luckily you wont be here in a year or two to eat your words.

TheReverend
07-23-2010, 06:10 PM
Couldn't agree more. No way is he worth that money. This contract will bite the Broncos in the ass in a year or two.

Barring injury, he's worth every penny and then some.

Dedhed
07-23-2010, 06:14 PM
his financial commitment issues are one of the main reasons for the team's mediocrity the last six years.


Anyone else smell a scapegoat from someone still unwilling to accept change for the better?

baja
07-23-2010, 06:17 PM
I think he was paid partly on circumstance (reward the good guy) partly on precieved potential but mostly on proven talent.So if you base his contract on his past performance alone he was over paid.

I think everything considered it was a fair contract and a great signing.

TheReverend
07-23-2010, 06:17 PM
Anyone else smell a scapegoat from someone still unwilling to accept change for the better?

Not really. I smell you trying to spin a factually justified statement into something it's not though.

Doggcow
07-23-2010, 06:19 PM
Barring injury, he's worth every penny and then some.

I love these kids. "He's one dimensional" etc... His one dimension is an ELITE PASS RUSHER. That's pretty damn good, and well worth the money for someone who hits for 20 sacks last year. I expect him to improve this year, now that we have a good d-Line!

baja
07-23-2010, 06:25 PM
Anyone else smell a scapegoat from someone still unwilling to accept change for the better?

I wonder if So Cal thinks we don't see through these desperate arguements?

Homer Simpson
07-23-2010, 06:32 PM
I'm absolutely ecstatic over this contract extension. My 8 year old son will now come of age (in terms of football) rooting for stand-up guys like Elvis and Chris Kuper. High character, high effort players who are also great role models.

Congratulations Doom -- you've done it the right way, and have been rewarded for it.

I'm proud to be a Bronco fan today.

Exactly. Absolutely great news and I again cannot believe some people who are fans (?) of the team have found this as another reason to criticize the Broncos. Always seems like the same guys too? I don't get it, if someone could explain it to me, please do.

baja
07-23-2010, 06:39 PM
How old is Harris?

Homer Simpson
07-23-2010, 06:50 PM
How old is Harris?

Ryan Harris? He turned 25 in March.

baja
07-23-2010, 06:52 PM
Ryan Harris? He turned 25 in March.

So if the two rookies start we will have 5 linemen 25 or younger, that's amazing!

BlaK-Argentina
07-23-2010, 07:08 PM
So if the two rookies start we will have 5 linemen 25 or younger, that's amazing!

That is way too young! Almost no experience at all! We won't win the SB with those guys for at least 30 years! Doom is overrated! Bla bla bla.

SoCalBronco
07-23-2010, 07:21 PM
I wonder if So Cal thinks we don't see through these desperate arguements?

What desperate arguments? I like Josh. He's really started to earn my respect. There are still things that I strongly disagree with him on....but I generally approve of his performance at the present time. Do I think he's as good as Shanny? No....but I'm happy with the job he's doing right now (for the most part). I can't say the same thing about Pat, though. He just isn't giving the financial commitment that's necessary. I don't see how he can complain about average to slightly above average results, when he's making a below average commitment. If anything, he should be pleased, because its a net gain. It would be nice if he were the Pat of old....hopefully he'll get back to that, soon.

Kaylore
07-23-2010, 07:34 PM
I love these kids. "He's one dimensional" etc... His one dimension is an ELITE PASS RUSHER. That's pretty damn good, and well worth the money for someone who hits for 20 sacks last year.

I know. Its like whining your golden goose doesn't catch mice.

TheReverend
07-23-2010, 07:40 PM
I know. Its like whining your golden goose doesn't catch mice.

Not to mention his skill set DOES provide game plan options in the run game. You can use his skill set to try and disrupt a play in the backfield, or hell, you can even just say "Okay, if you read run, just eat a 2nd level blocker and we'll have someone else make the play"

Not a big ****ing deal.

A big ****ing deal = sacking the QB like Elvis can.

DivineLegion
07-23-2010, 07:55 PM
I love these kids. "He's one dimensional" etc... His one dimension is an ELITE PASS RUSHER. That's pretty damn good, and well worth the money for someone who hits for 20 sacks last year. I expect him to improve this year, now that we have a good d-Line!

Well being an ELITE PASS RUSHER would mean he could do hold a candle to his fellow ELITE counterparts. Mario Williams, Terrel Suggs, Demarcus Ware, Julius Peppers are all multi-deminsional players. I would say all four of those guys play the run average to very well. The only problem is we don't know Doom's seiling as a LB. Demarcus Ware, and Terrel Suggs are the only two players that are comparable because they play similar roles. As a Pure pass rusher I would say Doom is far better than Terrel Suggs, and about on par with Demarcus Ware. The only thing that Doom doesnt bring to the table that these two guys do is speed, and the ability to persue a play. Thats ok for the Broncos because we have speed in at inside linebacker. We also have the privillage of one of the best if not the best Tackling secondaries in the NFL. Between Champ, Goody, Dawkins, and Renaldo I don't think there is a better group of solid tackling Defensive backs in the game.

Your right though his number are going to improve drasticly this season because its his second year in the system and we are lightyears ahead of last season with our front three. But you can see why some (not me in particular) would complain that hes getting such a large contract. I can see where they are comming from but I can also see the bigger picture. He's a piece in the puzzle, and a very valuble one. We should see big things from this defense this season. We have the ability to develope an above average D-line rotation that won't wear down as the season progress' which should free up our linebackers. I can't wait to see what Ron Fields, and Jamal Williams will do spliting time at the Nose tackle position. With both of those guys working in a rotation keeping fresh we should be able to maintain the level of play that propelled us to a 6-0 start.

randomtask
07-23-2010, 09:53 PM
Nice, very nice.

To be honest, I'd been getting worried with the lack of info. It'd seemed like the talks weren't moving along smoothly from the articles available.

outdoor_miner
07-23-2010, 10:02 PM
Nice, very nice.

To be honest, I'd been getting worried with the lack of info. It'd seemed like the talks weren't moving along smoothly from the articles available.

Contract negotiations are never ever ever ever ever reported accurately in the media. It is always speculation and misinformation. I can't even begin to count how many times I've heard that "contract talks have stalled" or bs like that, and the next day a guy is signed...

Cito Pelon
07-24-2010, 06:57 AM
Bowlen isn't "broke", I agree, but his financial commitment is still not that strong. At least not in recent times. He still makes major splashes from time to time, but his financial commitment issues are one of the main reasons for the team's mediocrity the last six years.

It may surprise people that if we're doing a cash analysis, you'd find that from 2004-2008 (the much maligned last five years of Shanahan tenure), the Broncos overachieved financial expectations or achieved financial expectations 4 TIMES in that 5 year span and the only year they "financially underachieved" resulted in only a slight level of underachievement. The trend continued with McDaniels. Bowlen's still not paying (relatively speaking ofcourse), but they are still overachieving. :

SHANAHAN
2004 PAYROLL 72 MILLION 28TH IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 10-6
2005 PAYROLL 95 MILLION 5TH IN THE NFL (ACHIEVED) 13-3
2006 PAYROLL 94 MILLION 22ND IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 9-7
2007 PAYROLL 102 MILLION 15TH IN THE NFL (SLIGHTLY UNDERACHIEVED) 7-9
2008 PAYROLL 95 MILLION 27TH IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 8-8

MCDANIELS
2009 PAYROLL 102 MILLION 20TH IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 8-8
Source: USA Today Salary Database

While I want them to be somewhat cautious for future CBA/cap purposes, I think they should be at least somewhere in the middle of the road so far as the league goes. That way, they can still be financially conscious while at the same time putting in enough of an investment in talent to keep them competitive. The figures they have put in the last six years or so are certainly below average so far as investment goes.

Question - do these "payroll" figures include so-called 'dead' money from players like Griese, IHOP, Javon, Henry, etc.?

The numbers just seem a little low to me, since IIRC 2004-2007 it was reported often that Denver was right at the cap limit.

Cito Pelon
07-24-2010, 07:43 AM
Personally, I am pretty damn pumped
I totally agree with the sentiment that any "overpayment" to Doom is totally justified by the fact that is reinforces McD's M.O.
There is now a tangible, poignant example to point to that if you just "do your job" and do it well, you will be compensated accordingly

I have noticed that some people have reservations about the contract, stating that his performance does not match the compensation (particularly the guaranteed money)
I wanted to go into that a little further

So, for sake of simplification, let's say that an OLB's responsibilities are thus: pass rush, coverage, run support
I think that no one here would argue that Doom is a top 5 pass rusher in this league, so let's look at the other two

His coverage skills are not particularly amazing, but how much responsibility does he have in this scheme?
I was under the impression that in a 3-4, the ILB's have more of the load for TE's and inside routes
Is Doom then on the hook for backs that are flaring out or perhaps short out routes in a zone coverage?
I am not an expert in X's and O's like some around here are, I am just using some common sense
I bring this up because I feel that Doom certainly shows the agility to mark his man
Besides, I believe that he need only be average in coverage because the defense should be schemed well enough to where our best pass rusher is playing to his strength
He only need be competent in coverage, IMHO

So lastly, we look at what most people point out, which is his run support
I have noticed from watching the games that Doom's problem is not whiffing on tackles
This is very important, because we have seen what happens when you hold your breath for a defensive player to simply "get better at tackling" (see Webster, Nate or Abdullah, Hamza)
Many of the blogs that I have read state that his problem is not missing the tackle, but rather being in the proper position to make it
Once again, this points to it being not so much an athletic deficiency as much as it as familiarity with the system and game-planning
I see no reason to not believe that after OTA's, TC, and preseason this area should be dramatically improved

I say all that to say this: this contract is great for Bronco's fans and we have every reason to believe that Doom has earned it and will continue to earn it :thumbs:
Hell, if he makes that next quantum leap in his run support and his coverage skills become adequate to above average for this scheme and for his position, then I think we may actually look back in a few years and say this was a steal
Remember, the market is always set by the latest contract
Doom's contract was probably based off of Peppers, Ware, Suggs, etc.
When it comes time for Mario Williams to re-up (or Lights-Off if he ever regains pre-roid form), you can rest assured that they will go to their agents and say "If Doom got $43 million and change guaranteed, I want $45-50 million"

And there you have it, my optimist's take on things
Let me know where I erred, as if you wouldn't anyway :-*

I agree with the optimistic outlook, and I'll say that Elvis' run-stopping has been adequate. Of course, it would be helpful if he stepped it up a little bit. One thing he's done well to compensate for being pushed aside sometimes is Elvis will pursue downfield and that's very important IMO.

Also, Elvis has played ST's through his career. Dude plays the wedge on KO's, fer chrissake.

He's just a good all-around player and teammate that has the pass-rushing knack you don't want to let go to some other team.

HEAV
07-24-2010, 12:11 PM
McDaniels: Elvis “very deserving” of new deal.
By Lindsay Jones

Certainly no one in Bronco-land was more excited Friday than Elvis Dumervil. After all, Dumervil suddenly is a very rich man — with plenty of job security — after agreeing to a five-year contract extension with the Broncos, a deal that is worth a total of $61.6 million, with $43.1 million guaranteed. Dumervil, who led the NFL with 17 sacks in 2009, is now under contract through the 2015 season.

Head coach Josh McDaniels, though, seems to be equally thrilled to have his star outside linebacker’s contract status resolved.

“It was a great day for Elvis and a great day for the Broncos,” McDaniels said Friday evening. “I think that he is deserving of it, and he’s deserving of it because he’s been a very, very talented and important player, and what he did last year really was the cherry on top. He has also been a really good presence and leader in the locker room for us off the field, and with way he handled himself through this negotiation.”

McDaniels had been saying for months that the Broncos front office was working with Dumervil’s agent, Gary Wichard, toward a new deal to keep Dumervil in Denver long-term. The negotiations never turned nasty, despite the time it took to get the extension done, which is a credit to Dumervil and his personality, McDaniels said. Dumervil signed his restricted free agent tender in June and showed up for the voluntary Organized Team Activities and the mandatory minicamp, a good faith effort on his part that a deal would get done.

“Elvis and Chris [Kuper, who signed an extension in June] both to their credit, they were here for our camps, did all those things, helped us improve in the offseason. They had to endure some waiting and some patience,” McDaniels said. “I think it’s a model for anybody. I don’t think we need a lot of players to be examples for other players. They just did a great job of really having some patience and doing their part, handling themselves with maturity. I wouldn’t expect anything different from anyone in the locker room.”

long beach bronco
07-24-2010, 12:28 PM
Good for Elvis, now I think he just might break Strahan's record. Good job!!!

Cito Pelon
07-24-2010, 12:29 PM
Bowlen backs the guys that will work with him. He'll shop those that don't. I'm happy to be a Bronco fan.

long beach bronco
07-24-2010, 12:31 PM
It's a blue christmas for Elvis!!!!

gyldenlove
07-24-2010, 01:00 PM
Question - do these "payroll" figures include so-called 'dead' money from players like Griese, IHOP, Javon, Henry, etc.?

The numbers just seem a little low to me, since IIRC 2004-2007 it was reported often that Denver was right at the cap limit.

No, those numbers appear to be only counting expenses to players who were still with the team.

We were right at the cap for several years but a lot of that was due to prorated signing bonuses.

Dedhed
07-24-2010, 01:27 PM
Not really. I smell you trying to spin a factually justified statement into something it's not though.

What, exactly is factual about his take other than the fact that Shanahan was a master at creating dead money that destroyed his own cause?

Dedhed
07-24-2010, 01:32 PM
SHANAHAN
2004 PAYROLL 72 MILLION 28TH IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 10-6
2005 PAYROLL 95 MILLION 5TH IN THE NFL (ACHIEVED) 13-3
2006 PAYROLL 94 MILLION 22ND IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 9-7
2007 PAYROLL 102 MILLION 15TH IN THE NFL (SLIGHTLY UNDERACHIEVED) 7-9
2008 PAYROLL 95 MILLION 27TH IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 8-8

MCDANIELS
2009 PAYROLL 102 MILLION 20TH IN THE NFL (OVERACHIEVED) 8-8


None of those numbers reflect what Bowlen was actually spending, just the amount that actually saw the playing field.

TheReverend
07-24-2010, 01:39 PM
None of those numbers reflect what Bowlen was actually spending, just the amount that actually saw the playing field.

That'd be great... But you're completely wrong.

$102 million was the total. 92.4 million was what went to suited up Broncos players in 2009, and we had 3% or something like that of the cap in dead money... those together = the 102 million figure.

All that dead money conversely means no team has done more with less than the Broncos. Essentially, the Broncos built their undefeated 61-man roster (including the eight-man practice squad) on $92.4 million in salary cap dollars.

http://www.denverpost.com/premium/broncos/ci_13664610

TheReverend
07-24-2010, 01:41 PM
What, exactly is factual about his take other than the fact that Shanahan was a master at creating dead money that destroyed his own cause?

His numbers are factual and yours are what you think you remember?

TonyR
07-24-2010, 01:52 PM
Dumervil deal avoided likely holdout
Posted by Mike Florio on July 24, 2010 3:35 PM ET

It's good that the Denver Broncos worked out a long-term contract with linebacker Elvis Dumervil, for multiple reasons.

First, after bungling the handling of quarterback Jay Cutler and receiver Brandon Marshall, the Broncos needed to keep the guy who figures to be the cornerstone of their defense for the rest of the decade.

Second, we're hearing that Dumervil was ready to hold out of training camp, at least until August 10, the deadline for players under contract to show up and gain a year of credit toward free agency. For Dumervil, who has four years of service, a fifth year will be crucial if the new rules as of 2011 require five years to unrestricted free agency.

Dumervil opted to sign his one-year, $3.168 million restricted free agency tender in advance of the June 15 deadline, after which the Broncos could have reduced the offer to 110 percent of his 2009 base salary.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/24/dumervil-deal-avoided-likely-holdout/

Cito Pelon
07-24-2010, 02:24 PM
No, those numbers appear to be only counting expenses to players who were still with the team.

We were right at the cap for several years but a lot of that was due to prorated signing bonuses.

That's what I was thinking, but SoCal maybe has some details.

TheReverend
07-24-2010, 02:28 PM
Dumervil deal avoided likely holdout
Posted by Mike Florio on July 24, 2010 3:35 PM ET

It's good that the Denver Broncos worked out a long-term contract with linebacker Elvis Dumervil, for multiple reasons.

First, after bungling the handling of quarterback Jay Cutler and receiver Brandon Marshall, the Broncos needed to keep the guy who figures to be the cornerstone of their defense for the rest of the decade.

Second, we're hearing that Dumervil was ready to hold out of training camp, at least until August 10, the deadline for players under contract to show up and gain a year of credit toward free agency. For Dumervil, who has four years of service, a fifth year will be crucial if the new rules as of 2011 require five years to unrestricted free agency.

Dumervil opted to sign his one-year, $3.168 million restricted free agency tender in advance of the June 15 deadline, after which the Broncos could have reduced the offer to 110 percent of his 2009 base salary.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/07/24/dumervil-deal-avoided-likely-holdout/

Not sure I believe that, but, regardless, good to have him locked up long term and happy.

broncosteven
07-24-2010, 02:30 PM
Glad I popped seven bucks for the Doom Pro Bowl tee shirt from the Broncos store clearance sale and passed on Marshalls!

SoCalBronco
07-24-2010, 03:19 PM
That's what I was thinking, but SoCal maybe has some details.

The database appears to provide simply payroll information, i.e. actual cash doled out. Certainly one could argue that a ton of bonuses one year would naturally result in less money being doled out the next year (as it would equal out over time). That is one of the reasons why I posted six years worth of information, as some bonus/guaranteed money saturated years would be higher than the other. The key is the averages over time....it will always come back to the mean.

I think it was you who mentioned absorbing the hits of Griese and Gardener as a possible reason as to why we didn't spend as much in 2004-2008, so I thought you might like to see 2000-2003. You'll note that it appears that i 2001 they made a number of one time very large bonus payments, but virtually every other year was again well below average and some years were basically at the bottom of the league. It is difficult to argue that it is "necessary" to have like 3 or 4 straight well below average actual spending years simply to counteract 1 year that is well above average.

Anyway, here is the prior period:

2000 26th (50 Million) 11-5 (STRONGLY OVERACHIEVED)
2001 1st (102 Million) 8-8 (STRONGLY UNDERACHIEVED)
2002 19th (62 Million) 9-7 (OVERACHIEVED)
2003 29th (64 Million) 10-6 (STRONGLY OVERACHIEVED)

Again...while to some extent you can justify the surrounding lower numbers by the No. 1 spending in 2001, taking it all together still shows poor financial commitment. The four year average in terms of ranking is 18.75, which is below average. You can justify going down to 29th one time in exchange for 1st the other time, but its hard to explain the other 26th and 19th.

This is very similar to the 2004-2009 period. On the whole, the total commitment over time is below average. This is not the Pat of old. He's got to bear his fair share of the blame for what's happened (and its a pretty big damn share).

Cito Pelon
07-24-2010, 03:47 PM
The database appears to provide simply payroll information, i.e. actual cash doled out. Certainly one could argue that a ton of bonuses one year would naturally result in less money being doled out the next year (as it would equal out over time). That is one of the reasons why I posted six years worth of information, as some bonus/guaranteed money saturated years would be higher than the other. The key is the averages over time....it will always come back to the mean.

I think it was you who mentioned absorbing the hits of Griese and Gardener as a possible reason as to why we didn't spend as much in 2004-2008, so I thought you might like to see 2000-2003. You'll note that it appears that i 2001 they made a number of one time very large bonus payments, but virtually every other year was again well below average and some years were basically at the bottom of the league. It is difficult to argue that it is "necessary" to have like 3 or 4 straight well below average actual spending years simply to counteract 1 year that is well above average.

Anyway, here is the prior period:

2000 26th (50 Million) 11-5 (STRONGLY OVERACHIEVED)
2001 1st (102 Million) 8-8 (STRONGLY UNDERACHIEVED)
2002 19th (62 Million) 9-7 (OVERACHIEVED)
2003 29th (64 Million) 10-6 (STRONGLY OVERACHIEVED)

Again...while to some extent you can justify the surrounding lower numbers by the No. 1 spending in 2001, taking it all together still shows poor financial commitment. The four year average in terms of ranking is 18.75, which is below average. You can justify going down to 29th one time in exchange for 1st the other time, but its hard to explain the other 26th and 19th.

This is very similar to the 2004-2009 period. On the whole, the total commitment over time is below average. This is not the Pat of old. He's got to bear his fair share of the blame for what's happened (and its a pretty big damn share).

Nothing from that proves your original point that Bowlen has payed less than the other owners in the NFL.

Nice try, though.

Dedhed
07-24-2010, 05:21 PM
Nothing from that proves your original point that Bowlen has payed less than the other owners in the NFL.

Nice try, though.Nothing from that proves anything other than money spent has little to do with on the field success