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baja
07-19-2010, 10:26 AM
Amazingly this has not been done yet and it should make for good descussion...

Poll coming

Los Broncos
07-19-2010, 10:29 AM
Beeeeeep!

Ray Finkle
07-19-2010, 10:33 AM
alright, I'll bite.....

I picked Tebow for the fact of what was obtained in the Cutler to Bears trade. Do I think Tebow will be on par or better then Jay? Nope....I think he'll be average but I can see the Broncos being better with the haul from Jay then if Mr. Mopey was still here.

DivineBronco
07-19-2010, 10:34 AM
I am too far down the I hate Cutler rabbit hole to ever go back I would rather have a ball of yarn then him

baja
07-19-2010, 10:38 AM
Not only for the draft picks Ray but with what we know today I'd take the chance on Tebow than have Cutler here and begining his second season under Josh. Three years from now I think Tebow will be a far better QB than Jay Cutler. Although Cutler might shine in the new O in Chicago.

Ray Finkle
07-19-2010, 10:43 AM
Not only for the draft picks Ray but with what we know today I'd take the chance on Tebow than have Cutler here and begining his second season under Josh. Three years from now I think Tebow will be a far better QB than Jay Cutler. Although Cutler might shine in the new O in Chicago.

too many variables with Tebow....I think Cutler will be the type of QB that is average/above average with a few high quality years and mediocre ones the rest. Tebow, I just see as a good average QB....

Tebow's pluses will make up for his negatives....anyone that has played team sports can attest raising your level if you have a leader who is the hardest working guy on the the team.

oubronco
07-19-2010, 10:43 AM
I've moved on and would request you do the same

Pony Boy
07-19-2010, 10:43 AM
If you could wipe the slate clean and start over as rookies in training camp.......... I would take Cutler and Marshall over Tebow and Thomas.

baja
07-19-2010, 10:46 AM
I've moved on and would request you do the same


You know what is great about these BBs, you can read a thread title and if it does not interest you you do not have to open it. If enough people are not interested it dies a quick death.

Besides there is not that much else to talk about.

baja
07-19-2010, 10:48 AM
If you could wipe the slate clean and start over as rookies in training camp.......... I would take Cutler and Marshall over Tebow and Thomas.

well you better get a different coach too.

Me I'd take Tebow and Thomas and Josh

oubronco
07-19-2010, 10:52 AM
You know what is great about these BBs, you can read a thread title and if it does not interest you you do not have to open it. If enough people are not interested it dies a quick death.

Besides there is not that much else to talk about.

Just messing with ya I can see this going bad as soon as the dipshyt crew get here though

Bronco Yoda
07-19-2010, 10:53 AM
Tebow will strike you down for even questioning this...

Los Broncos
07-19-2010, 10:56 AM
Tebow, he doesn't drink or ****.

Rabb
07-19-2010, 10:57 AM
knowing how Cutler is a petulant little baby, and that Tebow is 100% never give up and cannot wait to prove you wrong instead of make excuses...it's not even close

Tebow 100 times out of 100

baja
07-19-2010, 10:57 AM
Tebow, he doesn't drink or ****.

...and he doesn't have the beetez.

does anyone have a recent picture of Jay? The last one I saw he looked like shiit.

BlueCrusher
07-19-2010, 10:57 AM
I voted Tebow, but I wish there was an ask me in two years option.

NYBronc
07-19-2010, 10:59 AM
You'll never see Tebow look like this.

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baja
07-19-2010, 10:59 AM
I voted Tebow, but I wish there was an ask me in two years option.


Ask me it two years if we will make the playoffs this year? same thing...

baja
07-19-2010, 11:00 AM
You'll never see Tebow look like this.

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Exactly!!!!!!!!!!!

underrated29
07-19-2010, 11:03 AM
While I do think Cutler is a good qb who is only going to get a lot lot better. I still think tebow is going to change the way the Qb position is played...


People though troy smith, mike vick or vince young would, but tebow is far superior imo than all of the. And the kid wont stop until he gets it right. My fav thing.


So while I hated losing cutler and his little bytch self, I think Tebow will make us forget about all of that.

Ray Finkle
07-19-2010, 11:03 AM
Ask me it two years if we will make the playoffs this year? same thing...

I'm a homer and I don't see that happening....young Oline- too many ???'s in the dline....

theAPAOps5
07-19-2010, 11:05 AM
Because Tebow can slam a revolving door.

dbfan21
07-19-2010, 11:13 AM
knowing how Cutler is a petulant little baby, and that Tebow is 100% never give up and cannot wait to prove you wrong instead of make excuses...it's not even close

Tebow 100 times out of 100

+1 Leadership is formed through attitude. Jay has a defeatist attitude and Tim has a never-say-die attitude. As a player in the locker room, I'd rather get behind a guy like Tebow. I think Tim's mechanics will be just fine and he will learn the offense inside and out, which will make him a better player. :sunshine:

Rabb
07-19-2010, 11:23 AM
+1 Leadership is formed through attitude. Jay has a defeatist attitude and Tim has a never-say-die attitude. As a player in the locker room, I'd rather get behind a guy like Tebow. I think Tim's mechanics will be just fine and he will learn the offense inside and out, which will make him a better player. :sunshine:

couldn't have said it better

RonDaChamp24
07-19-2010, 11:28 AM
I voted Tebow, but I wish there was an ask me in two years option.

This is how I feel. Tebow hasn't played a single snap of even preseason football. After 2 years I'll let ya know, until then I'll keep my mouth shut.

uplink
07-19-2010, 11:39 AM
I think Cutler will eventually get it together, likely he will start to improve this year. He just needs to play within the offense and limit the turnovers. Last year was tough and he didn't meltdown too much so I think he is on the upswing.

Tebow could turn out to be good but in the NFL you have to take the proven commodity. Cutler has shown he is an NFL starting QB, though not an elite one.

Garcia Bronco
07-19-2010, 11:44 AM
Niether, but only because I haven't seen Tebow play an NFL regualr season yet.

ColoradoDarin
07-19-2010, 11:47 AM
I vote for Kyle Orton.

Ray Finkle
07-19-2010, 11:50 AM
I think Cutler will eventually get it together, likely he will start to improve this year. He just needs to play within the offense and limit the turnovers. Last year was tough and he didn't meltdown too much so I think he is on the upswing.

Tebow could turn out to be good but in the NFL you have to take the proven commodity. Cutler has shown he is an NFL starting QB, though not an elite one.

how many times can someone say this? This is year 5 for him. Trends show that vary rarely do QB's turn it around. He is what he is....an amazing talent that does not take care of the ball with enough regard.

cmhargrove
07-19-2010, 11:50 AM
If Tebow does indeed become an NFL winner (which Cutler is not at this point) the NFl world might just implode. Right now he already has the highest selling jersey in the NFL, video game covers, and his own line of shoes - and he has been turning down endorsement deals. If he proves he can win, he might turn into the biggest NFL draw in the past decade.

I loved Cutler the player, but my kids tried to ask politely for his autograph several times and he was always a douche. I bet the first time they ask Tebow, he signs their hat. I'll pay my hard earned money to support someone like that.

And, let's not forget that Tebow has never stopped winning. Cutler didn't even have a winning record in college, much less the NFL. That has to count for something.

Cutler's win/loss record at Vandy 11-35
Cutler's win/loss record at Denver 17-20
Cutler's total win loss since high school 28-55.

I'm betting Tebow can't make as many zippy passes, but he might just understand how to win.

Pony Boy
07-19-2010, 11:52 AM
...does anyone have a recent picture of jay? The last one i saw he looked like shiit.

26819

crazyhorse
07-19-2010, 11:57 AM
How can you vote for someone who hasnt taken a snap in the NFL?

Unless of course you're just voting against Cutler. Like, You'd rather have a bench warmer than Cutler.

Premature poll IMO

cmhargrove
07-19-2010, 11:58 AM
...and he doesn't have the beetez.

does anyone have a recent picture of Jay? The last one I saw he looked like shiit.
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Rabb
07-19-2010, 12:02 PM
If Tebow does indeed become an NFL winner (which Cutler is not at this point) the NFl world might just implode. Right now he already has the highest selling jersey in the NFL, video game covers, and his own line of shoes - and he has been turning down endorsement deals. If he proves he can win, he might turn into the biggest NFL draw in the past decade.

I loved Cutler the player, but my kids tried to ask politely for his autograph several times and he was always a douche. I bet the first time they ask Tebow, he signs their hat. I'll pay my hard earned money to support someone like that.

And, let's not forget that Tebow has never stopped winning. Cutler didn't even have a winning record in college, much less the NFL. That has to count for something.

Cutler's win/loss record at Vandy 11-35
Cutler's win/loss record at Denver 17-20
Cutler's total win loss since high school 28-55.

I'm betting Tebow can't make as many zippy passes, but he might just understand how to win.

yes!!!

baja
07-19-2010, 12:02 PM
If Tebow does indeed become an NFL winner (which Cutler is not at this point) the NFl world might just implode. Right now he already has the highest selling jersey in the NFL, video game covers, and his own line of shoes - and he has been turning down endorsement deals. If he proves he can win, he might turn into the biggest NFL draw in the past decade.

I loved Cutler the player, but my kids tried to ask politely for his autograph several times and he was always a douche. I bet the first time they ask Tebow, he signs their hat. I'll pay my hard earned money to support someone like that.

And, let's not forget that Tebow has never stopped winning. Cutler didn't even have a winning record in college, much less the NFL. That has to count for something.

Cutler's win/loss record at Vandy 11-35
Cutler's win/loss record at Denver 17-20
Cutler's total win loss since high school 28-55.

I'm betting Tebow can't make as many zippy passes, but he might just understand how to win.

Not much to rep these days put I'll gladly rep this post, well said!

baja
07-19-2010, 12:04 PM
How can you vote for someone who hasnt taken a snap in the NFL?

Unless of course you're just voting against Cutler. Like, You'd rather have a bench warmer than Cutler.

Premature poll IMO

Call it a gut feeling..... based on his history in the game

Cito Pelon
07-19-2010, 12:06 PM
Jay has his good points, right off the bat he tried to contribute to the community in Denver and has done the same in Chicago.

http://www.jaycutlersix.com/JCFoundation

It's kind of fun to get after these big shots, but tearing them down hurts what they try to do in the community.

Miss I.
07-19-2010, 12:20 PM
On our roster as what? Water boy? towel boy? Designated crybaby? Really Baja you need to specify what on the roster we would want them as. ;D

Los Broncos
07-19-2010, 12:23 PM
On our roster as what? Water boy? towel boy? Designated crybaby? Really Baja you need to specify what on the roster we would want them as. ;D

Bartender.

Crushaholic
07-19-2010, 12:30 PM
College success does not necessarily translate into NFL success, but I would rather take the guy who's won in college (Tebow).

Kaylore
07-19-2010, 12:36 PM
Tough call. I'm still not sold on Tebow as a QB so I would rather have Cutler as my QB but I'd rather have Tebow on my team because I think Cutler's a whiny cancer. Hopefully Tebow shows something. If he can be a legit pro QB then Tebow ten out of ten times.

Tombstone RJ
07-19-2010, 12:46 PM
I'll take Tebow. We already know what Jay brings to the table and it ain't winning football games...

Captain 'Dre
07-19-2010, 12:47 PM
The question might as well be "Would you prefer Jeff George in his prime? Or Tim Tebow?"

Cutler is a douchebag, almost everybody here agrees, and the same was true of Jeff George.

As others have documented, Cutler has never been a 'winner'. Just like Jeff George.

There's no guarantee that Tim Tebow will become a 'great' NFL player, but at least there's a chance.

Three words about the chance for Jay Cutler to become a 'great' NFL player:

"Slim", "Fat" and "No".

Captain 'Dre
07-19-2010, 12:51 PM
Tough call. I'm still not sold on Tebow as a QB so I would rather have Cutler as my QB but I'd rather have Tebow on my team because I think Cutler's a whiny cancer. Hopefully Tebow shows something. If he can be a legit pro QB then Tebow ten out of ten times.

And that is putting it delicately.

baja
07-19-2010, 01:17 PM
The question might as well be "Would you prefer Jeff George in his prime? Or Tim Tebow?"

Cutler is a douchebag, almost everybody here agrees, and the same was true of Jeff George.

As others have documented, Cutler has never been a 'winner'. Just like Jeff George.

There's no guarantee that Tim Tebow will become a 'great' NFL player, but at least there's a chance.

Three words about the chance for Jay Cutler to become a 'great' NFL player:

"Slim", "Fat" and "No".

I think most here have not put Cutler in the Jeff George catagory yet but the name does come up often.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-19-2010, 01:27 PM
I picked Tebow simply for the attitude. I used to coach high school sports (tennis and baseball) and you absolutely CAN NOT win with a guy who is willing to give up. We saw it several times in Denver (like the "win and you're in" game against San Diego a couple years ago) when Jay absolutely packed it in and did everything short of waving a white flag to surrender.

Tebow just isn't willing to quit until the game ends.

Taco John
07-19-2010, 01:28 PM
Easily I'd take Cutler given what I know right this minute.

bowtown
07-19-2010, 01:35 PM
I voted for "Not Jay Cutler." You could have had a club footed chimpanzee up there and I would have voted for him by default.

Retire #30!!!
07-19-2010, 01:36 PM
I'd take Tebow. I'd rather root for a player with less talent that I like, over a more talented player that I don't. I'm soooooo thankful I don't have to put up with the Cutler Vs. Rivers whinefest twice a year.

Taco John
07-19-2010, 01:40 PM
For the record, I'm not voting on likability. I never thought Cutler was terribly likable when he was here, and I think Tebow is possibly the most likable player since Peyton Manning.

I'm just voting based on what we know about the players right now, and what we know right now is that Jay Cutler can run a pro-style offense and make every throw on the field. On the opposite side, we don't know anything at all about what Tebow can do at this level.

It's a no-brainer.

Now if the question was which I'd rather have selling me DirecTV, that's easily Tebow.

elsid13
07-19-2010, 01:44 PM
Taking all the emotion out of it, which I know some will not do on either side, it is Cutler. He came in with a better overall talent at the position. No one was talking about the need from him to change position or alter his release. Add in the fact that he had very good experience playing behind a crappy o-line in college, forcing him to get ball of the ball quickly in pro style system and it easy to see why Cutler would be draft ahead of Tebow 10 out of 10 times.

baja
07-19-2010, 01:47 PM
For the record, I'm not voting on likability. I never thought Cutler was terribly likable when he was here, and I think Tebow is possibly the most likable player since Peyton Manning.

I'm just voting based on what we know about the players right now, and what we know right now is that Jay Cutler can run a pro-style offense and make every throw on the field. On the opposite side, we don't know anything at all about what Tebow can do at this level.

It's a no-brainer.

Now if the question was which I'd rather have selling me DirecTV, that's easily Tebow.

We actually know a little more that that about Cutler;

He has a life long disease and he does not take good care of himself



He does not handle Josh's type of coaching very well

He tends to throw team mates under the bus

He has never been a winner

He takes game changing risks with the football.

He is not a good canadaite for the team concept run here in Denver.

When things go bad he slinks off and sulkes (can't see Tebow doing that)

He appears to be comfortable with losing.

baja
07-19-2010, 01:50 PM
I honestly believe if Shanny had not drafted Jay and got Plummer some first round help with the pick Shanny would still be here

Thus my Jay is a coach killer thread

Jay got Shanny and his OC in Chicago canned so far.

FireFly
07-19-2010, 01:54 PM
I am too far down the I hate Cutler rabbit hole to ever go back I would rather have a ball of yarn then him

This hahaha

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-19-2010, 01:54 PM
The story behind Shanahan drafting Cutler, sight unseen, without meeting with him or his rep, is an interesting one.

Just think: We were in the AFC Championship Game. We had a defense that needed help. So naturally, we take our TWO first round picks and move up to get a QB we didn't really want or need.

I'd agree with baja. If we draft for need there, not out of desperation, Mike Shanahan is still the coach of the Denver Broncos.

Taco John
07-19-2010, 01:57 PM
He appears to be comfortable with losing.


You are a poor judge of things if this is truly what you think. There are plenty of bad things to legitimately say about Cutler, but that he appears to be comfortable with losing is hardly one of them.

dbfan21
07-19-2010, 02:00 PM
The story behind Shanahan drafting Cutler, sight unseen, without meeting with him or his rep, is an interesting one.

Just think: We were in the AFC Championship Game. We had a defense that needed help. So naturally, we take our TWO first round picks and move up to get a QB we didn't really want or need.

I'd agree with baja. If we draft for need there, not out of desperation, Mike Shanahan is still the coach of the Denver Broncos.

It's crazy to think about what our team would look like if Mike had gone defense early and often in the Cutler draft. hmmm...

Taco John
07-19-2010, 02:00 PM
The story behind Shanahan drafting Cutler, sight unseen, without meeting with him or his rep, is an interesting one.

Just think: We were in the AFC Championship Game. We had a defense that needed help. So naturally, we take our TWO first round picks and move up to get a QB we didn't really want or need.

I'd agree with baja. If we draft for need there, not out of desperation, Mike Shanahan is still the coach of the Denver Broncos.


Not at all. The way Plummer played the following season, Shanahan wouldn't have had a contingency plan. I guess you could say that if we didn't draft Cutler, then Plummer might not have turned into the pile of mess that he did - but even in that best case scenario, it only serves to highlight how badly we needed to replace the guy.

Don't forget that our defense the following season started on a record pace.

Plummer didn't have the intestines to be a big game quarterback and he knew it. That's why he bowed out.

Taco John
07-19-2010, 02:03 PM
Jay got Shanny and his OC in Chicago canned so far.


Neither of these are true. Say what you want about the Chicago OC, who should have been fired a long time ago, but to blame Shanny's departure on anyone but Shanahan is ignorant.

elsid13
07-19-2010, 02:08 PM
DCa in the league had figure Plummer out in that system. To think that Plummer was going to magical improve or suddenly become NFL gym rat is foolish. Shanahan and the Goodmans saw very talented QB that fit the offense to a T and made a smart decision.

montrose
07-19-2010, 02:19 PM
What I know now:

a) Tebow could be good or could suck.
b) Cutler sucks

Therefore I choose Tebow.

BTW, great thread topic Baja. Not suprisingly there's been a few that have said they'd like to wait and see - well of course! In two years we'll have the data necessary to "know". That's what makes discussions like this fun, because we don't have that data and have to formulate our opinions based on varying criteria.

baja
07-19-2010, 02:23 PM
You are a poor judge of things if this is truly what you think. There are plenty of bad things to legitimately say about Cutler, but that he appears to be comfortable with losing is hardly one of them.


Just because my view does not concur with yours does not make me a bad judge of anything.

Try and recall some of the side line shots of Cutler when we were losing.

He's been a loser all his life that is the norn for him. I would say neither of us knows for sure what's in his head but that the evidence is more on my side.

If he cared about winning more than anything else he would have made it work with Josh McDaniels instead looking at the oppertunity he had he had a ego driven hissy fit and got shipped to a team with a much worse offense. Dude's a loser and losers are comfortable with losing.

Captain 'Dre
07-19-2010, 02:25 PM
You are a poor judge of things if this is truly what you think. There are plenty of bad things to legitimately say about Cutler, but that he appears to be comfortable with losing is hardly one of them.

Agree. Although I would say that he's GOOD at losing. Ha!

baja
07-19-2010, 02:27 PM
Neither of these are true. Say what you want about the Chicago OC, who should have been fired a long time ago, but to blame Shanny's departure on anyone but Shanahan is ignorant.


Cutler will get Lovie canned this season too wanta bet?

Arkie
07-19-2010, 02:28 PM
Tebow is a team-first kind of guy that wants to win. He chose to go to a school that gave him a shot at a National Championship. Cutler is the selfish type that doesn't care as much about winning as his own personal stats. He chose the school that guaranteed he would start from the beginning even though he knew he had no shot at a championship.

orange skier
07-19-2010, 02:30 PM
The question might as well be "Would you prefer Jeff George in his prime? Or Tim Tebow?"

Cutler is a douchebag, almost everybody here agrees, and the same was true of Jeff George.

As others have documented, Cutler has never been a 'winner'. Just like Jeff George.

There's no guarantee that Tim Tebow will become a 'great' NFL player, but at least there's a chance.

Three words about the chance for Jay Cutler to become a 'great' NFL player:

"Slim", "Fat" and "No".



Not Cutler..........the above quote comes close to summing up my thoughts, but I would add the following......Jay Cutler may be uncoachable.....Tebow.......wants to be coached.......wants to know how to do it better.....Cutler is happy with his game.....big difference.........I'll take Tebow and his work ethic any day.........it's going to take some time.........but this guy could be very good........very good.....how about a left handed Fran Tarkenton.....?.......you heard it here first.......

baja
07-19-2010, 02:31 PM
DCa in the league had figure Plummer out in that system. To think that Plummer was going to magical improve or suddenly become NFL gym rat is foolish. Shanahan and the Goodmans saw very talented QB that fit the offense to a T and made a smart decision.

A very talented player as far as throwing the football but they knew nothing about the person, they never talked to him or interviewed him. Beyond an arm they knew nothing of what they were getting, nothing. They know now though don't they.

This is what got Shanny fired, play for the AFCC and toss 2 #1s on an asswhole. I think Bowlen hated Jay Cutler I remember when Pat said, "Well I guess Jay is the man around here now". What i remember is the tone. He almost spit it out you could see it pained him to say those words.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-19-2010, 02:33 PM
Not at all. The way Plummer played the following season, Shanahan wouldn't have had a contingency plan. I guess you could say that if we didn't draft Cutler, then Plummer might not have turned into the pile of mess that he did - but even in that best case scenario, it only serves to highlight how badly we needed to replace the guy.

Don't forget that our defense the following season started on a record pace.

Plummer didn't have the intestines to be a big game quarterback and he knew it. That's why he bowed out.

If we don't draft Cutler, I think it's a pretty safe assumption that Plummer doesn't revert to that Arizona-era Jake. He had a career year in '05, and I don't think he would have fallen nearly as far had we, you know, drafted NEED instead of an unseen, unneeded Quarterback.

And even if he did go backwards, what were we really missing? 8-8 seasons with Cutler? Rah rah. The '07 draft had Kolb, Beck, Quinn and Edwards. The fact is, you wait to draft someone you actually work out... or at least MEET with, and you draft for biggest need. Shanahan couldn't be bothered to do any of those things.

I don't think the Cutler pick was the beginning of the end for Mike... But I do think it signaled a departure from reality for him that had only one ultimate result.

montrose
07-19-2010, 02:33 PM
Avery talented player as far as throwing the football but they knew nothing about the person they never talked to him or interviewed him Beyond an arm they knew nothing of what they were getting, nothing. They know now though don't they.

To this day it astounds me the Broncos moved up to take Cutler without ever talking to him and essentially going off the word of Shanny's buddy Jeff Fisher. Considering under Shanny we were a "talent-first" team that was built around a handful of guys particularly the QB - it just seems so odd that if I hadn't heard it myself, I wouldn't believe it.

SouthStndJunkie
07-19-2010, 02:34 PM
Cutler is the selfish type that doesn't care as much about winning as his own personal stats. He chose the school that guaranteed he would start from the beginning even though he knew he had no shot at a championship.

False:

QB Jay Cutler, Vanderbilt: He had some interest among the lower tier Big Ten teams as a safety, but Vanderbilt offered him as a quarterback about a month before signing day.

I am sure Cutler would have loved to have gone to a powerhouse with a winning tradition, but not many schools showed interest in him.

Bash the guy all you want to, but at least make sure you are factually correct.

gunns
07-19-2010, 02:34 PM
I don't know how Tebow will pan out, I'm not sorry Cutler is gone. Is there another option such as Peyton Manning?

baja
07-19-2010, 02:42 PM
I don't know how Tebow will pan out, I'm not sorry Cutler is gone. Is there another option such as Peyton Manning?

Is that a women or a man with breasts and long hair in your avatar?

elsid13
07-19-2010, 02:43 PM
Tebow is a team-first kind of guy that wants to win. He chose to go to a school that gave him a shot at a National Championship. Cutler is the selfish type that doesn't care as much about winning as his own personal stats. He chose the school that guaranteed he would start from the beginning even though he knew he had no shot at a championship.

BS - Vanderbilt was the only school that offered him a scholarship after the mix up with Illinois.

baja
07-19-2010, 02:44 PM
BS - Vanderbilt was the only school that offered him a scholarship after the mix up with Illinois.

Never heard about a mixup what was that?

elsid13
07-19-2010, 02:50 PM
Never heard about a mixup what was that?

An assistant coach (that left the program) promised him a scholarship to play QB, but Turner wanted some other QB and withdrew the scholarship.


From ESPN
http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/columns/story?columnist=forde_pat&id=2415795

llinois was the first BCS conference school to show interest, in the fall of Cutler's senior year. He decided fairly quickly to join the Illini and spurned overtures from Purdue, Duke, Maryland and others.

But Jay jumped immediately from that state title run in football to playing basketball, and he didn't get a chance to make a campus visit until late December. By then, according to Jack Cutler, Illinois coach Ron Turner was backpedaling. He rescinded the scholarship offer to Cutler and took a kid from the West Coast instead -- a kid nobody in the NFL is interested in today.

Rohirrim
07-19-2010, 02:51 PM
This poll just proves that Baja is an evil force in the universe.

elsid13
07-19-2010, 02:53 PM
This poll just proves that Baja is an evil force in the universe.

The poll proves that people like the shiny object behind the counter that hasn't been played with yet.

Captain 'Dre
07-19-2010, 02:54 PM
I picked Tebow simply for the attitude. I used to coach high school sports (tennis and baseball) and you absolutely CAN NOT win with a guy who is willing to give up. We saw it several times in Denver (like the "win and you're in" game against San Diego a couple years ago) when Jay absolutely packed it in and did everything short of waving a white flag to surrender.


That was humiliating...

Making it worse (as Jay was so inclined to do) here's what he told the sideline reporter as he walked off the field at the conclusion of the game:

"It was nothing they (the Chargers) did. It was us."

When the reporter asked him how he thought the Chargers would do the next week against Indy, Jay said dismissively "Indy'll handle 'em."

Which, of course, Indy didn't.

It was just such an overall display of a lack of class that it made me embarrassed he was the team's QB.

Honestly... how hard would it have been for Jay to say "That game will be a close one", or "That's anybody's game."

But NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Instead, Jay fails to give a smidgin of respect to a team that just kicked his arse ALL night long.

If you recall, two of the Broncos' three TDs in the game were long runs by Tatum Bell. Jay did SQUAT in the game.

Just ask yourself how Tim Tebow would've conducted himself in the same situation.

Br0nc0Buster
07-19-2010, 02:57 PM
The poll proves that people like the shiny object behind the counter that hasn't been played with yet.

that or maybe some would take a gamble on the unknown candy instead of sticking with the poop flavored lolly pop

TDmvp
07-19-2010, 03:01 PM
O great , same $hit different year.

Last year it's who would you rather have Cutler or Orton and now this crap.


On a good team Cutler is a better QB then Tebow at this point period ...

Move on and get over Cutler already Baja you twit ...

baja
07-19-2010, 03:15 PM
O great , same $hit different year.

Last year it's who would you rather have Cutler or Orton and now this crap.


On a good team Cutler is a better QB then Tebow at this point period ...

Move on and get over Cutler already Baja you twit ...

I did not know they made 5 watt bulbs

This thread has had more action by it self that the whole board for the last few days.

There is not alot to talk about right now if you got something go ahead and start a thread

This is not about Cutler per se It's about and attatude and does attatude trump a good arm.

Most here are having good discussion why don't you go back to the thread I made for you and yours, you know the male version of the girly thread the fess up rep thread.

TDmvp
07-19-2010, 03:18 PM
This is not about Cutler per se It's about and attatude and does attatude trump a good arm.







Side note I will say I love Tebew the guy but right now Cutler's skill set is still way better ... I'd love the Tebow pick to work out as much as i didn't like it on draft day and if anyone has the drive and grit to prove the world wrong it's that kid.

OrangenBlueOhio
07-19-2010, 03:24 PM
Cutler, (yeah I haven't gotten over it).

Would Cutler for Tebow be a fair trade? There's your reason why.

bronco militia
07-19-2010, 03:29 PM
as of today it's still Orton vs. Cutler.....

cutler gets my vote

Irish Stout
07-19-2010, 03:32 PM
I don't want anyone who doesn't want to be here. Cutler never wanted to be here.

I wouldn't want a guy who I was sure could bring me a title if the guy thought Denver was a crap hole. I'm sure we've had those players before, but I want people who want to be here.

GoBroncos84
07-19-2010, 03:45 PM
I'm optimistic that Tebow will develop into a very good NFL quarterback. That is an unknown, however. Cutler, despite his mistakes and crappy attitude, is a proven pro bowl talent in the NFL. Tebow blows Cutler away in the intangibles. Better character, better attitude, better work ethic, better leadership, better passion. Also a better all around athlete. Tim is a winner. But Cutler is by far the better passer. Jay Cutler would not have led the league in interceptions had he still been a bronco. Not saying he still wouldn't have thrown many, but he would not have been as bad due to a better surrounding cast on offense. If the question is: If you were starting the season today and you needed to win now, which QB would you rather have on your team? It's Jay, no question. If you are asking who would you rather have to lead your team for several seasons, giving you a chance to develop each QB, then I will take Tim. If you're looking at the even bigger picture and saying would you rather have Tebow, Thomas, and McD or Cutler, Marshall, Scheffler, Shanny... I would have to go with the Shanny regime until McD proves he can be successful. Again, I am hopeful. I like McD. I like the attitude change and a good percentage of the roster moves. But he has yet to accomplish anything in this league. Just as Tebow and Thomas have yet to accomplish anything. It will take wins, and postseason wins, before this new class can be held up to the old regime. Shanny won Super Bowls. Granted, there was a big drought since the last SB win. Cutler and Marshall were pro bowlers. The new guys need to achieve before they can be considered better. I hope they do, I'm supporting them and optimistic. But as of now, nothing has been accomplished.

SoCalBronco
07-19-2010, 03:51 PM
We actually know a little more that that about Cutler;

He has a life long disease and he does not take good care of himself

Relatively fair criticism....although the relationship between that and football play is kind of attenuated. It's relevant if he's getting sloshed before every single game and it can be conclusively shown to affect gameday performance, but I'm not sure there's sufficient evidence of that.

He does not handle Josh's type of coaching very well
There is no evidence of this. Our less than stellar owner deprived us of the oppurtunity to see how they would have interacted at practices and on gameday. We simply don't know. The only evidence that is available is favorable to Cutler, that is, he eagerly came in to begin reviewing film and participating in offseason activities well ahead of his other teammates. This indisputable fact runs right in the face of your conclusion.

He tends to throw team mates under the bus
He does have a tendency to do that. Some comments could properly be characterized as poor PR, while another person could construe them as being a "leader" and saying what needs to be said. It's really in the eye of the beholder. Ultimately, while it has some probative value, its relatively minimal, because I don't think a teammate is going to run a poorer route because of a comment and at the end of the day, what most of us are really interested in is on field performance....not comments.

He has never been a winner
Not true and not relevant in any case. Each person is responsible only for their own performance. If we took your position to its logical conclusion, we would have avoided trading for John Elway.

He takes game changing risks with the football.
Accurate and important criticism. Most gunslingers do and many of his risks result in great plays that few others can make. Nonetheless, you would definitely be correct in saying that more recently, the risks have usually brought a somewhat more than healthy amount of harm.

He is not a good canadaite for the team concept run here in Denver.
Bull****. There's no more "team concept" here than anywhere else. Every team has a team concept. Everyone goes out and plays for the team. There's no special philosopohy here that isn't shared everywhere else. You won't find a coach in the NFL that doesn't "speak" in the same way in this particular regard. I think Jay is all into team concept, for whatever value that is (which isn't much other than hot air and histrionics and PR). I'm reminded of quite a few heroicly staged combacks in his final year here when he was suffering from diabetes. I'm not sure what people want exactly with this team concept nonsense....other than possibly to overly romanticize football to make themselves feel better about it, as if its some kind of movie or something stupid like that.

When things go bad he slinks off and sulkes (can't see Tebow doing that)
On occasion he has done that and I wish he wouldn't because it doesn't look good on TV. But as noted above, on many occasions, he faced adversity and was able to come back from it in many games. I agree that Tebow would probably never engage in open sulking, but I'm not sure how much actual value there is to this at the end of the day when we are talking abotu actual, tangible football play.

He appears to be comfortable with losing.
There appears to be no evidence to support this and it seems to be more of a personal, ad hominem gratuitious insult based largely in hypocrisy rather than a good faith criticism. The fact that he's angrily said things after losses and appeared distressed at times in fact would go to show the exact opposite, i.e. that he cares. You are trying to have your cake and eat it, too. You can't use the same fact to support one negative conclusion and then essentially deny it exists when you are asserting a different conclusion.



My thoughts above.

As for the poll itself, I like them both a great deal. I am a big fan of each player. I hope they both have outstanding years.

TheReverend
07-19-2010, 03:54 PM
Strong thread concept, imo.

Ray Finkle
07-19-2010, 04:31 PM
My thoughts above.

As for the poll itself, I like them both a great deal. I am a big fan of each player. I hope they both have outstanding years.

way to play lawyer in that response....jeez....:welcome:

baja
07-19-2010, 04:35 PM
way to play lawyer in that response....jeez....:welcome:

LOL I was going to respond but then I realized it would take 2 hours and I don't have 2 hours right now. ;D

Popps
07-19-2010, 04:41 PM
Let's see...

Cutler's never won anything... Tebow's practically never lost anything.

Let's start there.

Eldorado
07-19-2010, 04:52 PM
Let's see...

Cutler's never won anything... Tebow's practically never lost anything.

Let's start there.

Including his virginity.

:rimshot:

listopencil
07-19-2010, 04:54 PM
I'll say Tebow. There are many reasons, but the most important one is that he wants to play in Denver. Same as Orton. Orton over Tebow, by the way.

gunns
07-19-2010, 04:54 PM
Is that a women or a man with breasts and long hair in your avatar?

Ask Blue, she did it

yerner
07-19-2010, 04:55 PM
Let's see...

Cutler's never won anything... Tebow's practically never lost anything.

Let's start there.

Except an NFL game. But, besides that your still a genius.

Orange4Life
07-19-2010, 05:01 PM
I honestly believe if Shanny had not drafted Jay and got Plummer some first round help with the pick Shanny would still be here

Thus my Jay is a coach killer thread

Jay got Shanny and his OC in Chicago canned so far.

Here we go! But I don't disagree with any of this

Hamrob
07-19-2010, 05:08 PM
Why don't we ask Mike Mayock?

Jay Cutler will be a stud in this league. In fact we may all be biting our tongues by the end of this year. He has all the tools including a cannon for an arm.

Tim Tebow has the heart and drive to be great...but, right now I'm skeptical. We need to at least see this kid play a game or two before we start comparing him to anyone.

P.S. I have to admit...I do have a Broncos TEBOW jersey and am hoping that we hit a home run with this kid...it's just too early to say.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
07-19-2010, 05:18 PM
My thoughts above.

As for the poll itself, I like them both a great deal. I am a big fan of each player. I hope they both have outstanding years.

The only evidence that is available is favorable to Cutler, that is, he eagerly came in to begin reviewing film and participating in offseason activities well ahead of his other teammates. This indisputable fact runs right in the face of your conclusion.

Ahem... um... hate to quarrel, but... uh... I don't know that Cutler was exactly "eager" to come in. He resented the fact that Shanahan was gone, and while he did come in to the facility, there's no evidence that says he was "eagerly" participating. So it's not an "indisputable" fact.

In fact, the way he handled himself on his way out of town, the way he acted while here and the way he's acted in Chicago sort of says he 'eagerly' does two things: bitch, and moan.

I know you love Cutler, but come on.

PS: It's starting to feel like the Mane around here again. Quick: Someone start a gutless drunk thread.

theAPAOps5
07-19-2010, 05:28 PM
I would like to change my reason from Tebow can slam a revolving door to Tebow cooks bacon naked.

That is all.

Ray Finkle
07-19-2010, 05:33 PM
Why don't we ask Mike Mayock?

Jay Cutler will be a stud in this league. In fact we may all be biting our tongues by the end of this year. He has all the tools including a cannon for an arm.

Tim Tebow has the heart and drive to be great...but, right now I'm skeptical. We need to at least see this kid play a game or two before we start comparing him to anyone.

P.S. I have to admit...I do have a Broncos TEBOW jersey and am hoping that we hit a home run with this kid...it's just too early to say.

of course this is the 4th offseason that someone has said this....still waiting...

Hamrob
07-19-2010, 05:46 PM
of course this is the 4th offseason that someone has said this....still waiting...What's not for the intelligent mind to understand?

The kid made progress his 1st 3 yrs. He got better each year and then the rug was pulled out from under him.

He goes to Chicago...without a supporting cast and struggled.

Now he has another new offense to learn and another new coach to get to know.

The kid has talent and all the tools you could ever want. Many teams would gladly take him as their QB.

What's funny is listening to all the whiners around here who like to blast him.

Anyone who thinks its common to come into the league and do better than Cutler has in his first 4yrs is a dreamer. Few ever do.

Tebow's first year will be on the bench or running the ball. His 2nd will probably be more of the same.

I'm a Tebow fan...but, Cutler is the more talented NFL QB.

MaloCS
07-19-2010, 06:06 PM
So while I hated losing cutler and his little bytch self, I think Tebow will make us forget about all of that.

Just what I was thinking. 8')

Meck77
07-19-2010, 06:17 PM
Well let's see. Jay didn't want to play in Denver. Tim does.

Captain 'Dre
07-19-2010, 06:46 PM
I think most here have not put Cutler in the Jeff George catagory yet but the name does come up often.

Perhaps not, but most HAVE put Jay in the douchebag category. Ha!

Captain 'Dre
07-19-2010, 06:49 PM
What's not for the intelligent mind to understand?

The kid made progress his 1st 3 yrs. He got better each year and then the rug was pulled out from under him.

He goes to Chicago...without a supporting cast and struggled.

Now he has another new offense to learn and another new coach to get to know.

The kid has talent and all the tools you could ever want. Many teams would gladly take him as their QB.

What's funny is listening to all the whiners around here who like to blast him.

Anyone who thinks its common to come into the league and do better than Cutler has in his first 4yrs is a dreamer. Few ever do.

Tebow's first year will be on the bench or running the ball. His 2nd will probably be more of the same.

I'm a Tebow fan...but, Cutler is the more talented NFL QB.

Now that Jay's mom has weighed in... who's next?

baja
07-19-2010, 06:50 PM
Perhaps not, but most HAVE put Jay in the douchebag category. Ha!

I not even sure that is true.By "most" do you mean over 50%?

theAPAOps5
07-19-2010, 06:54 PM
What's not for the intelligent mind to understand?

The kid made progress his 1st 3 yrs. He got better each year and then the rug was pulled out from under him.

He goes to Chicago...without a supporting cast and struggled.

Now he has another new offense to learn and another new coach to get to know.

The kid has talent and all the tools you could ever want. Many teams would gladly take him as their QB.

What's funny is listening to all the whiners around here who like to blast him.

Anyone who thinks its common to come into the league and do better than Cutler has in his first 4yrs is a dreamer. Few ever do.

Tebow's first year will be on the bench or running the ball. His 2nd will probably be more of the same.

I'm a Tebow fan...but, Cutler is the more talented NFL QB.

Sorry had to do it:

LEAVE JAY ALONE

http://jackdrew.files.wordpress.com/2009/06/leave-britney-alone-guy.jpg

watermock
07-19-2010, 06:55 PM
http://cdn3.sbnation.com/imported_assets/501698/jay-cutler_medium.jpg

I didn't see MyLord jumpin' up and down after Colt and the Horns kicked Meyers ass, and Florida is under investigation now.

Speaking of winners, McCoy had comperable wins, and he was a 3rd rounder. Id's rather have Orton, the OTHER Quinn and McCoy along with alot more high picks.

We got great value for Jay,so that's good, but I haven't yet seen alot out of the picks we got for him.

I'm also wary of the changes in coaches, and the move away from ZBS, line mano man should be easier for the new blood.

I think we could of gotten MeLord in the 2nd or at least McCoy, and really gotten some more talent other that half a dozen 30 somethings on defense.

We still don't have a true young #1 to go with Champ.

It's a weaker scheule this year, but I just wonder what Nolan and the 06 class might have done if they had been left intact.

I besides the obvious questions at OL with Clady out, I would also like to have seen some more work done at LB.

With Kurt and Bouldin gone, and Seattle and the Rams, along with the weak division of our own, 10 wins should be expected.

baja
07-19-2010, 06:59 PM
I go with that - 10 wins maybe more if Clady starts the season and is good to go.

tsiguy96
07-19-2010, 07:06 PM
tebows work ethic alone makes him the obvious choice, the fact that he keeps his head down and does what he has to do to become better. he doesnt go out and get ****faced or mope around.

baja
07-19-2010, 07:22 PM
tebows work ethic <b>alone </b>makes him the obvious choice, the fact that he keeps his head down and does what he has to do to become better. he doesnt go out and get ****faced or mope around.


Hey I got a good work ethic what about me?

crazyhorse
07-19-2010, 07:28 PM
Call it a gut feeling..... based on his history in the game

Based on history, you would have to say that the most prolific college QBs often bust in the NFL. Especially those that are considered project QBs, which Tebow is. So rather than calling it a gut feeling, I consider it likely more wishful thinking.

It certainly could happen. But a poll asking what you'd rather have, a project or a head case? The poll is a little premature IMO.

Thats not a knock on Tebow, theres just no data to vote on.

Bronco Yoda
07-19-2010, 07:32 PM
I see the Cutler widowers still have a few more tears left in them.

HAT
07-19-2010, 07:36 PM
With what I know today? Cutler.

I know Cutler can make plays that will win ball games. I also know he can make plays that will lose ball games.....But the bottom line is you can throw him out there with any given NFL roster & coaching staff and he will probably win 7-9 games. The same cannot be said for Tebow TODAY.

If the question were who has more upside than I go with Tebow. Tebow has a chance to be something special. Just how big or how small that chance may be is up for debate of course. But even the most ardent Cutler supporter can't actually use the term 'special' & Cutler with a straight face. Not the good kind of special anyway.

Cutler's ceiling is pretty much low 2nd tier. Give him the right cast and he can be a top 5-7 QB in a given year. Orton will be a top 7-10 guy this year so that should tell you what you need to know.......

Orton & Cutler are interchangeable so of course I'd rather have Orton + Tebow today with the chance for Tebow (no matter how remote) to maybe be the face of the league one day. If Cutler were here today, Tebow wouldn't be (no matter the coach or circumstance).

gunns
07-19-2010, 07:38 PM
I would like to change my reason from Tebow can slam a revolving door to Tebow cooks bacon naked.

That is all.

He does? Now that I would like to see, but damn if there was some splatter, OUCH!

Captain 'Dre
07-19-2010, 07:40 PM
I not even sure that is true. By "most" do you mean over 50%?

Okay, I'll throttle down the hyperbole here.

Literally, what I mean is that Cutler's forum defenders are significantly outnumbered by his forum detractors. At least, that's what I'm reading here.

Not because Jay lacks physical talent, because he certainly doesn't lack that.

What Jay's missing are the necessary between-the-ears qualities that allow a physically talented QB to be successful on the field-- Character, poise, composure, judgment, decision-making, and perserverance.

Captain 'Dre
07-19-2010, 07:44 PM
With what I know today? Cutler.

I know Cutler can make plays that will win ball games.

Jay has NEVER won more than 50% of his games in ANY season in college or the NFL, and most years he's won an even lesser percentage. You can't be impressed with that... Can you?!?

watermock
07-19-2010, 07:46 PM
Well let's see. Jay didn't want to play in Denver. Tim does.

That wasn't true initially. And "not doing it the Billickick way" has divided the fanbase like nothing else including Reeves.

Of course, my thought of drafting a RB like Greene in the second and a bunch of defense while leaving the 06 class intact is gone.

I don't really blame Cutler for hanging his head after the defensive showing in 08, he had to press at Vandy, here, and in Chicago.

I see a team ill suited to contend more than in '06/07.

'08 we had the #2 offense if we had a RB, and a DC, think if our defense had made a few stops. We would of ewasily been the #1 offense.

Problem was, we got a run out of the D under Robinson and the O under Shanahan.

The question of Cutler is beyond moot after an almost Stalinist purge after he was traded for a pretty penny, albeit, as with all picks, the 3 firsts look marginal, and trading UP for Tebow as do alot of Joshie's draft day trades, show he's trigger happy and doesn't play his hand well on draft day.

HAT
07-19-2010, 07:49 PM
Jay has NEVER won more than 50% of his games in ANY season in college or the NFL, and most years he's won an even lesser percentage. You can't be impressed with that... Can you?!?

Dre....If you knew me at all as a poster you would know that I am extremely happy Cutler is no longer here and am a huge advocate of 98% of what McD has done with this team. I also probably hold a higher opinion of Orton than every single registered poster on the 'mane. However, with the way baja worded the question....Cutler is my answer.

baja
07-19-2010, 08:09 PM
Based on history, you would have to say that the most prolific college QBs often bust in the NFL. Especially those that are considered project QBs, which Tebow is. So rather than calling it a gut feeling, I consider it likely more wishful thinking.

It certainly could happen. But a poll asking what you'd rather have, a project or a head case? The poll is a little premature IMO.

Thats not a knock on Tebow, theres just no data to vote on.

I have made a lot of brilliant choices based on the "gut feeling" and I have have come to trust it. But you go ahead and call it what you need to. You go ahead and wait for that data whatever that means (seems two national championships and the high school stuff constitute data but maybe you have a different understanding of the word.

I believe Tebow will be a huge star in the NFL.

Ray Finkle
07-19-2010, 08:09 PM
What's not for the intelligent mind to understand?

The kid made progress his 1st 3 yrs. He got better each year and then the rug was pulled out from under him.

He goes to Chicago...without a supporting cast and struggled.

Now he has another new offense to learn and another new coach to get to know.

The kid has talent and all the tools you could ever want. Many teams would gladly take him as their QB.

What's funny is listening to all the whiners around here who like to blast him.

Anyone who thinks its common to come into the league and do better than Cutler has in his first 4yrs is a dreamer. Few ever do.

Tebow's first year will be on the bench or running the ball. His 2nd will probably be more of the same.

I'm a Tebow fan...but, Cutler is the more talented NFL QB.

Shirley,
read my first post of this thread for my views.....

Here is my point, you are waiting for Jay to explode on the NFL like Bob after 30 years of Tebowism (that's being a virgin to you)...by a NFL QB's 5th year of starting, they have either made it or are meh....Jay is meh....

SoCalBronco
07-19-2010, 08:12 PM
He does? Now that I would like to see,

I wonder if Eric Decker is going to call Tebow a homewrecker now?

baja
07-19-2010, 08:18 PM
That wasn't true initially. And "not doing it the Billickick way" has divided the fanbase like nothing else including Reeves.

Of course, my thought of drafting a RB like Greene in the second and a bunch of defense while leaving the 06 class intact is gone.

I don't really blame Cutler for hanging his head after the defensive showing in 08, he had to press at Vandy, here, and in Chicago.

I see a team ill suited to contend more than in '06/07.

'08 we had the #2 offense if we had a RB, and a DC, think if our defense had made a few stops. We would of ewasily been the #1 offense.

Problem was, we got a run out of the D under Robinson and the O under Shanahan.

The question of Cutler is beyond moot after an almost Stalinist purge after he was traded for a pretty penny, albeit, as with all picks, the 3 firsts look marginal, and trading UP for Tebow as do alot of Joshie's draft day trades, show he's trigger happy and doesn't play his hand well on draft day.

It's going to be very interesting to watch what Shanny does over the course of a few seasons with the 4 and 12 Skins given the willingness of the owner to spend, spend, spend.

Archer81
07-19-2010, 08:21 PM
Tebow.

The No other Gods but me clause is SERIOUS business.

:Broncos:

baja
07-19-2010, 08:25 PM
Damn straight!

well maybe not straight.

FireFly
07-19-2010, 08:29 PM
I'd rather Tebow.

And I'm not going to chicken out of having an opinion and say wait 2 years and then ask me! Hind sight is 20/20.

If I had to choose right now I'd take Tebow.

I'm not saying that he has more raw talent, but he has a huge upside.

With Cutler, you know what you're getting. A talented, physically gifted player who has never really shown particularly good leadership skills who is prone to making mistakes, forcing passing and pouting.

With Tebow, you don't really know what you're getting. You get potential. You get leadership.

I don't KNOW who will go down in history as the better QB. But at this point, if I had to choose a QB for my team, I'd take Tebow.

baja
07-19-2010, 08:39 PM
I'd rather Tebow.

And I'm not going to chicken out of having an opinion and say wait 2 years and then ask me! Hind sight is 20/20.

If I had to choose right now I'd take Tebow.

I'm not saying that he has more raw talent, but he has a huge upside.

With Cutler, you know what you're getting. A talented, physically gifted player who has never really shown particularly good leadership skills who is prone to making mistakes, forcing passing and pouting.

With Tebow, you don't really know what you're getting. You get potential. You get leadership.

I don't KNOW who will go down in history as the better QB. But at this point, if I had to choose a QB for my team, I'd take Tebow.

But but but where is the data???????????????

Archer81
07-19-2010, 08:41 PM
You know...I am getting kinda annoyed that I cant post my own threads...

Anyways...

May Tebow Bless You and Keep you...

:Broncos:

baja
07-19-2010, 08:46 PM
You know...I am getting kinda annoyed that I cant post my own threads...

Anyways...

May Tebow Bless You and Keep you...

:Broncos:

New threads are reserved for straight handsome men.

(see the thread under this one to start a new thread. )

Captain 'Dre
07-19-2010, 09:24 PM
Dre....If you knew me at all as a poster you would know that I am extremely happy Cutler is no longer here and am a huge advocate of 98% of what McD has done with this team. I also probably hold a higher opinion of Orton than every single registered poster on the 'mane. However, with the way baja worded the question....Cutler is my answer.

No hard feelings, man. To each his own. :)

Natedog24
07-19-2010, 10:34 PM
Cutler is mediocre but at least he has won or even played a game in the NFL. This poll is just too soon, I need to see Tebow at least play some Preseason games first...

bronco610
07-19-2010, 10:40 PM
Tebow. At least he cares about team.

baja
07-20-2010, 07:43 AM
The vote is in;

23 posters said they would rather have Cuttler on the team (30.67%)

52 posters said they prefered Tebow over Cutler to be on the Broncos team. (69.33%)

baja
07-20-2010, 07:47 AM
I found it interesting to see who voted for whom.

When you think about it it's quite amazing that 70% of the posters here would rather have an unproven rookie QB over a young pro bowl QB on their team. Now why do you think that is?

Rabb
07-20-2010, 07:52 AM
I found it interesting to see who voted for whom.

When you think about it it's quite amazing that 70% of the posters here would rather have an unproven rookie QB over a young pro bowl QB on their team. Now why do you think that is?

because one is an asshole and the other, well...

http://venuist.files.wordpress.com/2009/12/tim-tebow-girl.jpg

GoBroncos84
07-20-2010, 08:31 AM
Also because one is on the team, while the other plays for the bears. Obviously the bronco with no bad history here was going to win the poll

jhns
07-20-2010, 08:33 AM
I would take Cutler now but hopefully my answer is Tebow by the end of the season. I don't think I really need to explain why but I will anyways. Cutler is an actual starter in this league. Tebow is currently the backup to Kyle Orton.....

The one reason I see being used that is just dumb is the work ethic part. Tebow has a great one but how can you even try convincing yourself Cutler doesn't have just as good of one? He never even had an offseason when here. He was either in Denver working with coaches or going to Atlanta to work with teammates. We can only hope to get another player as dedicated as Cutler, and the non team players Marshall and Sheffler, where.

OABB
07-20-2010, 08:36 AM
I think cutlets dad was more dedicated than him... He at least had the playbook.

jhns
07-20-2010, 08:41 AM
I found it interesting to see who voted for whom.

When you think about it it's quite amazing that 70% of the posters here would rather have an unproven rookie QB over a young pro bowl QB on their team. Now why do you think that is?

I bet it has something to do with not being able to support McDaniels when you admit the horrible mistakes he has made. That and some are actually convinced you need nice guys to play a sport in which big guys are paid a ton to run full speed into each other. You can't win with the majority of QBs that have won SBs because so many are immature.... Now you all just need to explain how they did it before if it can't happen again.

Or you could go with the fact that the majority here have no clue what is going on down on the field. You all act like you are going to be dating the players so we need to fill the team with personalities you like. I guess it will be hard on all of you to find out the players aren't interested.

I think both are acceptable answers and both are very true.

cmhargrove
07-20-2010, 09:10 AM
I would take Cutler now but hopefully my answer is Tebow by the end of the season. I don't think I really need to explain why but I will anyways. Cutler is an actual starter in this league. Tebow is currently the backup to Kyle Orton.....

The one reason I see being used that is just dumb is the work ethic part. Tebow has a great one but how can you even try convincing yourself Cutler doesn't have just as good of one? He never even had an offseason when here. He was either in Denver working with coaches or going to Atlanta to work with teammates. We can only hope to get another player as dedicated as Cutler, and the non team players Marshall and Sheffler, where.

I know this is highly unusual, but I have to kind of agree with you here. The work ethic comes into play because Tebow is rookie learning to play the pro game, and that is good, but if a player truly has the skill and works hard enough - working harder doesn't necessarily improve his game.

That being said, I believe Tebow has a personality trait that may prove superior to Cutler in the long run - that has more to do with his desire to make each and every play succeed with every ounce of skill he possesses. Elway had that "never say die" attitude every play and it was one of the reasons why it was so fun to watch him every game.

Actually, Cutler had it for a time but somehow he changed. One play, he was downfield blocking for Travis henry, and the other he would flick it into triple coverage and shrug his shoulders and pout.

It's not all Cutler's fault, but it is his choice. Tebow seems to be a guy that will make the right choices, and always go down swinging. I like that.

azbroncfan
07-20-2010, 09:16 AM
Tebow because he is a bronco and I am a homer. Right now I'd say Cutler because he is better than Orton at the moment but until I see Tebow play I can't say anything about him.

Captain 'Dre
07-20-2010, 09:18 AM
The vote is in;

23 posters said they would rather have Cuttler on the team (30.67%)

52 posters said they prefered Tebow over Cutler to be on the Broncos team. (69.33%)

So it's official: Jay Cutler is a Douchebag! Ha! Ha! Ha!

j/k

Carry on! :)

jhns
07-20-2010, 09:24 AM
Actually, Cutler had it for a time but somehow he changed. One play, he was downfield blocking for Travis henry, and the other he would flick it into triple coverage and shrug his shoulders and pout.


No, Cutler had it all the time. Pouting after making a bad play is something Brady, Manning, and every other QB that expects better from themselves does. Shoot, guys like Manning even throw their lines under the bus in the process. You had it right, Cutler gave it his all every play. He always ran to block if he could and he never gave up(even though he should have some times, he is young though and this is what he needs to fix), including when the line broke down or a defender layed a pinky on him as he was being pushed well to the side(Orton).

I do hope Tebow turns out to be a better player though. He would be a good face of the franchise IF he turns out to be good on the field. I still can't believe this front office crapped its pants the way it did with Cutler. Tebow is the guy I have hopes for making me forget Cutler.

azbroncfan
07-20-2010, 09:34 AM
So it's official: Jay Cutler is a Douchebag! Ha! Ha! Ha!

j/k

Carry on! :)

Well you should search for the thread from a couple years ago that is who would you trade Jay C for? The homerism is disgusting as guys line up left and right to say they wouldn't trade him for Manning or Brady or anyone else. I decided to look it up 55 percent say nobody is worth trading Jay Cutler for.

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?p=2619340&highlight=Trade+Jay+Cutler#post2619340

Captain 'Dre
07-20-2010, 09:40 AM
No, Cutler had it all the time. Pouting after making a bad play is something Brady, Manning, and every other QB that expects better from themselves does. Shoot, guys like Manning even throw their lines under the bus in the process. You had it right, Cutler gave it his all every play. He always ran to block if he could and he never gave up(even though he should have some times, he is young though and this is what he needs to fix), including when the line broke down or a defender layed a pinky on him as he was being pushed well to the side(Orton).

Frankly, I think this is crap. (No offense intended!)

I'm aware of TWO situations-- in 12 seasons-- in which Peyton Manning criticized teammates to the press. Jay -- in 4 seasons?-- made a habit of it.

Yes, Brady is a whiner. If whining was Jay's only flaw, he'd still be here.

IMO, Cutler's departure is something to celebrate. Big picture, the team is SO much better off without him.

cmhargrove
07-20-2010, 09:42 AM
No, Cutler had it all the time. Pouting after making a bad play is something Brady, Manning, and every other QB that expects better from themselves does. Shoot, guys like Manning even throw their lines under the bus in the process. You had it right, Cutler gave it his all every play. He always ran to block if he could and he never gave up(even though he should have some times, he is young though and this is what he needs to fix), including when the line broke down or a defender layed a pinky on him as he was being pushed well to the side(Orton).

I do hope Tebow turns out to be a better player though. He would be a good face of the franchise IF he turns out to be good on the field. I still can't believe this front office crapped its pants the way it did with Cutler. Tebow is the guy I have hopes for making me forget Cutler.

Just a point of order sometimes proper decision making is also part of the "giving it your all" equation. Especially for the guy holding the ball.

jhns
07-20-2010, 10:45 AM
Frankly, I think this is crap. (No offense intended!)

I'm aware of TWO situations-- in 12 seasons-- in which Peyton Manning criticized teammates to the press. Jay -- in 4 seasons?-- made a habit of it.

Yes, Brady is a whiner. If whining was Jay's only flaw, he'd still be here.

IMO, Cutler's departure is something to celebrate. Big picture, the team is SO much better off without him.

No offense taken.

Really though? Can you even name 2 times Cutler has done this?

We can sure hope the team is better. We had a far better defense and ended with the same record. That sure doesn't say we are better without him to me but what do I know...

jhns
07-20-2010, 10:47 AM
Just a point of order sometimes proper decision making is also part of the "giving it your all" equation. Especially for the guy holding the ball.

Sorry but I don't even get what you are saying. You can give it your all and still make bad decisions. That is why QBs aren't great as rookies. It usually takes them some time to learn when and where to throw it. Tebow will make some of the same mistakes and I guarantee no one blames it on him not giving it his all.

cmhargrove
07-20-2010, 11:17 AM
Sorry but I don't even get what you are saying. You can give it your all and still make bad decisions. That is why QBs aren't great as rookies. It usually takes them some time to learn when and where to throw it. Tebow will make some of the same mistakes and I guarantee no one blames it on him not giving it his all.

Ergo the difference between "rookies mistakes" and leading the league in interceptions in your fourth year in the league.

If your main fault (as a player) is that you take too many risks or make bad decisions, then "giving it your all" would be listening to your coaches and correcting those mistakes. I guarantee none of his coaches tell Cutler after a play "yeah, I agree, throwing the ball across the field into triple coverage was your best decision." The dude just overestimates his own ability time after time. We now have four years of evidence of such behavior.

So, "giving your all" can be learning to change your mental aspects of the game in order to help the team win. That's the point, and I think it's Cutler's main shortcoming. It's not what he physically puts into each play - his issues are mostly mental errors.

jhns
07-20-2010, 11:22 AM
It's not what he physically puts into each play - his issues are mostly mental errors.

This I can agree with, although not the whole he isn't giving it his all part. As for what his coaches told him after picks last year, I think that was the problem. They got Cutler and for some reason thought they could just throw it all the time and let him do what he wants. I could have called better games than the Bears offenive coordinator did. Cutler won't get better without the proper coaching. I felt he had that here, I don't care if he has it there.

Popps
07-20-2010, 12:16 PM
Except an NFL game. But, besides that your still a genius.

Classic.

oubronco
07-20-2010, 12:17 PM
I would take Cutler now but hopefully my answer is Tebow by the end of the season. I don't think I really need to explain why but I will anyways. Cutler is an actual starter in this league. Tebow is currently the backup to Kyle Orton.....
The one reason I see being used that is just dumb is the work ethic part. Tebow has a great one but how can you even try convincing yourself Cutler doesn't have just as good of one? He never even had an offseason when here. He was either in Denver working with coaches or going to Atlanta to work with teammates. We can only hope to get another player as dedicated as Cutler, and the non team players Marshall and Sheffler, where.

He's actually the backup to the backup behind Quinn

broncofan2438
07-20-2010, 12:58 PM
I chose Tebow based on his work ethic. Not only does he have a good attitude but he has a better work ethic than ****ler. His head is in the right place and he wants to win.

ColoradoDarin
07-20-2010, 01:00 PM
And yes, the answer is still Kyle Orton. He won more in the NFL than Jay Cutler or Tim Tebow (PBUH), and this year he'll be the only one of the three to lead his team to the playoffs (with help from the 2nd best currently on the list running some wild horses plays).

azbroncfan
07-20-2010, 01:07 PM
And yes, the answer is still Kyle Orton. He won more in the NFL than Jay Cutler or Tim Tebow (PBUH), and this year he'll be the only one of the three to lead his team to the playoffs (with help from the 2nd best currently on the list running some wild horses plays).

Problem is is that Orton or Cutler aren' the answer.

jhns
07-20-2010, 01:10 PM
And yes, the answer is still Kyle Orton. He won more in the NFL than Jay Cutler or Tim Tebow (PBUH), and this year he'll be the only one of the three to lead his team to the playoffs (with help from the 2nd best currently on the list running some wild horses plays).

See this is what makes Denver fans a joke now. So many had their feelings hurt so bad that they actually want Kyle Orton and act like he is a good QB.... Way to make us look pathetic.

baja
07-20-2010, 01:18 PM
See this is what makes Denver fans a joke now. So many had their feelings hurt so bad that they actually want Kyle Orton and act like he is a good QB.... Way to make us look pathetic.

I think Kyle Orton is going to suprise the hell out of you this season. I am wondering if you will man up and eat your crow when Orton has a steller season and leads the Broncos to the playoffs?

jhns
07-20-2010, 01:24 PM
I think Kyle Orton is going to suprise the hell out of you this season. I am wondering if you will man up and eat your crow when Orton has a steller season and leads the Broncos to the playoffs?

Probably not.

Look, even Josh McDaniles doesn't think that much of Orton. There is no way you can convince me McDaniels thinks he has a long term solution in Orton and just decided to use that first round pick to make sure we have a good third string QB. Every time Orton has started a season, his NFL coach has looked for his replacement. Orton is nothing more than a backup to NFL coaches. I do not think I am smarter than McDaniels or Smith and I will just side with them.

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 01:26 PM
I think Kyle Orton is going to suprise the hell out of you this season. I am wondering if you will man up and eat your crow when Orton has a steller season and leads the Broncos to the playoffs?

Kyle Orton is an average NFL QB who has hit his ceiling in terms of potential.

Josh did a great job to squeeze every last bit of talent he could out of Orton last year....but it still is not nearly enough to justify making him the QB of the future and the face of the franchise....Josh knows this.

Tim Tebow is proof.

Durango
07-20-2010, 01:36 PM
If you believe Cutler is in the Jeff George mold, then, of course, you would have to choose Tebow, but I don't think Cutler is a problem child on the whole. I think he had a problem with the coach and neither he, nor McDaniels handled the situation well, and that's actually giving some credit back to McDaniels and placing more blame on Cutler because originally I thought the ENTIRE mess was on McDaniels. Given that, I would take Cutler every day and twice on Sundays over Tebow. Now, tomorrow, next year, in five years. Cutler will be an excellent QB. Tebow? A definite maybe.

~Crash~
07-20-2010, 01:41 PM
Kyle Orton is an average NFL QB who has hit his ceiling in terms of potential.

Josh did a great job to squeeze every last bit of talent he could out of Orton last year....but it still is not nearly enough to justify making him the QB of the future and the face of the franchise....Josh knows this.

Tim Tebow is proof.

Orton will get better this year but you are also right in saying that orton will only get so good . but to see what orton can do in this system would take 4 years . you know I want the best for our team so yes cutler I would want back .Also Marshal knocked down a bounch of INT's had it been any other WR.so I do see your side SSJ but Orton was good enough to get more looks and not complain about him so much ...

~Crash~
07-20-2010, 01:44 PM
If you believe Cutler is in the Jeff George mold, then, of course, you would have to choose Tebow, but I don't think Cutler is a problem child on the whole. I think he had a problem with the coach and neither he, nor McDaniels handled the situation well, and that's actually giving some credit back to McDaniels and placing more blame on Cutler because originally I thought the ENTIRE mess was on McDaniels. Given that, I would take Cutler every day and twice on Sundays over Tebow. Now, tomorrow, next year, in five years. Cutler will be an excellent QB. Tebow? A definite maybe.

about right ... I do like having Tebow on our team and how I hope this works out....

azbroncfan
07-20-2010, 01:49 PM
If you believe Cutler is in the Jeff George mold.

I believe he is but is a little better but still gets same results. I called him that when he was still here and people wanted to burn me at the stake and only argue stats. Bottomline is Jay and Jeff have milliondollar arms, cocky attitude, poor decision making, no consistency, and a weak mental makeup. Their physical talent keeps them in the league as slightly above average qb's but their deficiencies will always keep them from advancing to the elite level that it takes to win in this league.

baja
07-20-2010, 01:50 PM
Kyle Orton is an average NFL QB who has hit his ceiling in terms of potential.

Josh did a great job to squeeze every last bit of talent he could out of Orton last year....but it still is not nearly enough to justify making him the QB of the future and the face of the franchise....Josh knows this.

Tim Tebow is proof.

Who said anything about QB of the future. Hell the most casual fan can see that is not in the cards. I said Orton will have a good season (much improved over last year) and lead the Broncos to the playoffs

ColoradoDarin
07-20-2010, 01:57 PM
Who said anything about QB of the future. Hell the most casual fan can see that is not in the cards. I said Orton will have a good season (much improved over last year) and lead the Broncos to the playoffs

It's amazing what people can read into others' posts (yeah, I'm guilty of it too). Orton, statistically was a Top 15 QB last year, that's something Jay Cutler can't say. Is Orton a Top 10 QB going forward? Maybe. But it doesn't hurt to keep bringing guys in for competition/injuries/development.

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 02:03 PM
Who said anything about QB of the future. Hell the most casual fan can see that is not in the cards. I said Orton will have a good season (much improved over last year) and lead the Broncos to the playoffs

I'm saying that I don't think he will be surprising anyone (as you predict) this year.

I think what we saw last year from Orton is as good as it gets.

Tombstone RJ
07-20-2010, 02:07 PM
If you believe Cutler is in the Jeff George mold, then, of course, you would have to choose Tebow, but I don't think Cutler is a problem child on the whole. I think he had a problem with the coach and neither he, nor McDaniels handled the situation well, and that's actually giving some credit back to McDaniels and placing more blame on Cutler because originally I thought the ENTIRE mess was on McDaniels. Given that, I would take Cutler every day and twice on Sundays over Tebow. Now, tomorrow, next year, in five years. Cutler will be an excellent QB. Tebow? A definite maybe.

What is your definition of "excellent QB"? Elway was a winner and that is why he was so excellent. Cutler is not a winning QB. If you think that throwing for 300+ yards a game = excellent then I think your definition is a little off.

Tell me why Cutler is so great again because I'm confused. Obviously for you, it's not about winning...

crazyhorse
07-20-2010, 02:07 PM
But but but where is the data???????????????

Dont act all but hurt. Jesus....

I was simply saying there is no history with the NFL to support an opinion on Tebow. You act as though I was attacking you or him, somehow. But if you remember anything about me, if I attack you, it would leave more of a mark. I was totally cool and thoughtful with my post yet you still want to find a way to whine about it.

Sack up man.......jesus. I get tired of dragging you crybabies through every ****en post.

Tebow aint done **** in the NFL. I dont give a **** about high school.. I was a ****in legend in high school. What the hell has that got me.

How abouyt your "gut feeling" on Cutler. Where was your "brilliance" there. You were suckin that dick too. Now you've moved on to the next dick.

Now, that is a smack down bitch. Note the difference.

Now quit whining. But but but but but........WTF?

Tombstone RJ
07-20-2010, 02:12 PM
Dont act all but hurt. Jesus....

I was simply saying there is no history with the NFL to support an opinion on Tebow. You act as though I was attacking you or him, somehow. But if you remember anything about me, if I attack you, it would leave more of a mark. I was totally cool and thoughtful with my post yet you still want to find a way to whine about it.

Sack up man.......jesus. I get tired of dragging you crybabies through every ****en post.

Tebow aint done **** in the NFL. I dont give a **** about high school.. I was a ****in legend in high school. What the hell has that got me.

How abouyt your "gut feeling" on Cutler. Where was your "brilliance" there. You were suckin that dick too. Now you've moved on to the next dick.

Now, that is a smack down b****. Note the difference.

Now quit whining. But but but but but........WTF?

Having a bad day?

ColoradoDarin
07-20-2010, 02:12 PM
I'm saying that I don't think he will be surprising anyone (as you predict) this year.

I think what we saw last year from Orton is as good as it gets.

Really? His and everyone else's first year in a new system is his ceiling?

oubronco
07-20-2010, 02:15 PM
Kyle Orton is an average NFL QB who has hit his ceiling in terms of potential.

Josh did a great job to squeeze every last bit of talent he could out of Orton last year....but it still is not nearly enough to justify making him the QB of the future and the face of the franchise....Josh knows this.

Tim Tebow is proof.

So do you believe Tebow is future and the face of the franchise

crazyhorse
07-20-2010, 02:16 PM
Having a bad day?

Yes actually.

But that is beside the point. It seems no matter how generic I am with my posts. Or how general or softly lobbed they are, someone gets offended. Im a little tired of being the only one trying to get along. So I bitchslapped him. He probably needed it. And I needed to slap someone.

Greatspirits
07-20-2010, 02:17 PM
Because Cutless is a crybaby biatch!! Enough said!

jhns
07-20-2010, 02:17 PM
Who said anything about QB of the future. Hell the most casual fan can see that is not in the cards. I said Orton will have a good season (much improved over last year) and lead the Broncos to the playoffs

So you think Orton is a good QB but just not starter quaility? See, we aren't that far apart after all. In fact, we agree completely if you take out that "a good QB but" part.

Anyways, the post you quoted was in response to someone saying Orton over Cutler and Tebow. I would say you have to think Orton is the QB of the future if that is the case. If not, you are saying they all suck and I wouldn't argue as much with that. Cutler has a lot to improve on before he is good, Tebow is still an unknown, and Orton is very limited.

It is a sad day when the fan base actually thinks Kyle Orton is a good QB. Kyle Orton..... Again, not even the coach that went out and got him thinks that highly of him. You don't draft first rouders to replace young players that are playing well. Kyle Orton did not play good and showed he is very limited. This is a facy and my proof is in the coaches actions.

oubronco
07-20-2010, 02:18 PM
Because Cutless is a crybaby biatch!! Enough said!

who is the girl in your avatar..........Bravo

jhns
07-20-2010, 02:22 PM
Obviously for you, it's not about winning...

This one man team argument really makes you look like you know something about football.

Captain 'Dre
07-20-2010, 02:26 PM
So do you believe Tebow is future and the face of the franchise

Not sure about Tebow... but very sure that Cutler won't ever have more success than Neil Lomax did.

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 02:29 PM
So do you believe Tebow is future and the face of the franchise

I have no idea....I hope so. I know he will work his ass off to try and be.

I do know that Kyle Orton is not the face of the franchise.

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 02:32 PM
Really? His and everyone else's first year in a new system is his ceiling?

I think so in regards to Kyle Orton.

Orton absolutely used B-Marsh as his security blanket last year.

Take away his 100+ catch a year go-to-guy in B-Marsh, take away his receiving threat at TE, and a possible gimpy franchise LT to protect his blindside.

The offense is rebuilding itself on the fly....its not as if he is working with the exact same pieces as last year. We added some pieces, but it often takes time for rookie WRs to catch on and produce.

Captain 'Dre
07-20-2010, 02:34 PM
No offense taken.

Really though? Can you even name 2 times Cutler has done this?

We can sure hope the team is better. We had a far better defense and ended with the same record. That sure doesn't say we are better without him to me but what do I know...

I don't have any links to the post game press conferences I saw where Jay criticized the blocking and wideouts, but i can't be the only one who witnessed it.

Though I can specifically cite how John Madden called out Cutler for a series of frustrated rants at Eddie Royal in that loss to the Chargers (52-21) to conclude the 2008 season.

Jay kept firing lasers at Royal, when a bit of touch on the ball would have made all the difference. You might remember the camera being on Jay when he exclaimed "WTF, Eddie!?!"

Jay was *publicly* blaming Royal, when a leader wouldn't have.

You can say that Jay didn't intend for it to be on camera, but that's not an excuse for doing it.

jhns
07-20-2010, 02:43 PM
You can say that Jay didn't intend for it to be on camera, but that's not an excuse for doing it.

Leaders also get on players that are doing something wrong. Maybe Royal wasn't reading the defense and continually ran the wrong routes. We don't know. What I do know is this leader BS of yours doesn't have much place in reality. Again, I see Brady and Manning (currently the two best) do everything you are claiming leaders don't do. This is nothing more than crap fans in Denver made up to justify the crap trade. I guess you should believe whatever helps you sleep at night though.

baja
07-20-2010, 03:12 PM
I'm saying that I don't think he will be surprising anyone (as you predict) this year.

I think what we saw last year from Orton is as good as it gets.

Ok than I disagree, he was injured with two different quite severe injuries and he was in a completely new system for him. Plus he because of his lack of mobility he suffered more than a more mobile QB when the O line broke down with the injury of Harris. I believe we will see a much improved Orton (if he stays healthy ) that we will be able to trade in 2011 or 2012 for a #1 pick.

I am more worried about Orton's health than his skill set.

OABB
07-20-2010, 03:19 PM
leaders also get on players that are doing something wrong. Maybe royal wasn't reading the defense and continually ran the wrong routes. We don't know. What i do know is this leader bs of yours doesn't have much place in reality. Again, i see brady and manning (currently the two best) do everything you are claiming leaders don't do. This is nothing more than crap fans in denver made up to justify the crap trade. I guess you should believe whatever helps you sleep at night though.

26828

baja
07-20-2010, 03:19 PM
Dont act all but hurt. Jesus....

I was simply saying there is no history with the NFL to support an opinion on Tebow. You act as though I was attacking you or him, somehow. But if you remember anything about me, if I attack you, it would leave more of a mark. I was totally cool and thoughtful with my post yet you still want to find a way to whine about it.

Sack up man.......jesus. I get tired of dragging you crybabies through every ****en post.

Tebow aint done **** in the NFL. I dont give a **** about high school.. I was a ****in legend in high school. What the hell has that got me.

How abouyt your "gut feeling" on Cutler. Where was your "brilliance" there. You were suckin that dick too. Now you've moved on to the next dick.

Now, that is a smack down b****. Note the difference.

Now quit whining. But but but but but........WTF?

I not whining I'm making fun of you, there's a difference.

BTW good to see you getting fisty. ;D

baja
07-20-2010, 03:26 PM
Yes actually.

But that is beside the point. It seems no matter how generic I am with my posts. Or how general or softly lobbed they are, someone gets offended. Im a little tired of being the only one trying to get along. So I b****slapped him. He probably needed it. And I needed to slap someone.


Maybe someday you will figure out it's not all about you. I disagreed with your take. I felt you missed the whole point of the thread. Went right over your little Chiefy head. The thread is about speculation. If it's data you want join a statistics froum.

BTW if you call that a bitch slap you better go back to school.

But your car does look nice did you steal the picture from a Broncos fan. ;D

baja
07-20-2010, 03:36 PM
So you think Orton is a good QB but just not starter quaility? See, we aren't that far apart after all. In fact, we agree completely if you take out that "a good QB but" part.

Anyways, the post you quoted was in response to someone saying Orton over Cutler and Tebow. I would say you have to think Orton is the QB of the future if that is the case. If not, you are saying they all suck and I wouldn't argue as much with that. Cutler has a lot to improve on before he is good, Tebow is still an unknown, and Orton is very limited.

It is a sad day when the fan base actually thinks Kyle Orton is a good QB. Kyle Orton..... Again, not even the coach that went out and got him thinks that highly of him. You don't draft first rouders to replace young players that are playing well. Kyle Orton did not play good and showed he is very limited. This is a facy and my proof is in the coaches actions.

No, I think Orton is a starting QB and will have a long career. What makes him not the long term answer in Denver is Josh McD, genius that he is, went and got not only one better QB but two and he got both of them for less that there true value.

Just think of it this way Josh is to quaterbacks what Shanahan is to running backs and you will have it.

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 03:43 PM
Ok than I disagree, he was injured with two different quite severe injuries and he was in a completely new system for him. Plus he because of his lack of mobility he suffered more than a more mobile QB when the O line broke down with the injury of Harris. I believe we will see a much improved Orton (if he stays healthy ) that we will be able to trade in 2011 or 2012 for a #1 pick.

I am more worried about Orton's health than his skill set.

You care to make a bet in regards to Denver ever getting a 1st round pick in return for Kyle Orton?

baja
07-20-2010, 03:53 PM
You care to make a bet in regards to Denver ever getting a 1st round pick in return for Kyle Orton?

One might be a reach but I do bet we will trade him for something higher than most people her would ever dream.

Durango
07-20-2010, 07:52 PM
What is your definition of "excellent QB"? Elway was a winner and that is why he was so excellent. Cutler is not a winning QB. If you think that throwing for 300+ yards a game = excellent then I think your definition is a little off.

Tell me why Cutler is so great again because I'm confused. Obviously for you, it's not about winning...


Is there something about the words "will be" that don't compute with you? I believe Cutler will be an excellent QB. Maybe not a HoF QB, maybe not even the top QB in the league or even his conference in any one year, but an excellent QB. Elway was a HoF QB. There isn't really a comparison between him and Cutler or Tebow. Translated, that means Cutler will get the ints down, the completion % will remain high, he will mature and become a viable team leader and he will use his considerable skills to help his team win. He has many more measurables than Tim Tebow and he will mature into the intangibles. Again, just my opinion.

watermock
07-20-2010, 08:01 PM
One might be a reach but I do bet we will trade him for something higher than most people her would ever dream.

That's amusing.

Orton will win early or be dumped. Either way, unless he grows majik arms and legs, he's gone.

Hamrob
07-20-2010, 08:08 PM
Frankly, I think this is crap. (No offense intended!)

I'm aware of TWO situations-- in 12 seasons-- in which Peyton Manning criticized teammates to the press. Jay -- in 4 seasons?-- made a habit of it.

Yes, Brady is a whiner. If whining was Jay's only flaw, he'd still be here.

IMO, Cutler's departure is something to celebrate. Big picture, the team is SO much better off without him.Let's see 8-8 with him...so, what's been our record without him? Yeah, soooo much better.

Hamrob
07-20-2010, 08:14 PM
If you believe Cutler is in the Jeff George mold, then, of course, you would have to choose Tebow, but I don't think Cutler is a problem child on the whole. I think he had a problem with the coach and neither he, nor McDaniels handled the situation well, and that's actually giving some credit back to McDaniels and placing more blame on Cutler because originally I thought the ENTIRE mess was on McDaniels. Given that, I would take Cutler every day and twice on Sundays over Tebow. Now, tomorrow, next year, in five years. Cutler will be an excellent QB. Tebow? A definite maybe.

Finally, someone who actually watches football.

I'm rooting for Tebow...and gawd I hope he turns out...but, Cutler is a stud. This season should really be an interesting one for sure.

Captain 'Dre
07-20-2010, 08:19 PM
Leaders also get on players that are doing something wrong. Maybe Royal wasn't reading the defense and continually ran the wrong routes. We don't know. What I do know is this leader BS of yours doesn't have much place in reality. Again, I see Brady and Manning (currently the two best) do everything you are claiming leaders don't do. This is nothing more than crap fans in Denver made up to justify the crap trade. I guess you should believe whatever helps you sleep at night though.

As I said, John Madden called Cutler out on this, so it isn't just MY opinion.

I'm not the biggest Madden fan ever, but when he says "You don't call your teammate out in front of everybody like that. You go back to the huddle and call the next play" I think he has more credibility than you or I do.

Arkie
07-20-2010, 08:21 PM
Cutler will never play in a Super Bowl. Tebow may. That's enough for me to choose Tebow.

Captain 'Dre
07-20-2010, 08:25 PM
Let's see 8-8 with him...so, what's been our record without him? Yeah, soooo much better.

Yes, of course I meant better right THIS very moment in time. :rolleyes:

Better off, like... when you dump a girlfriend who's pretty, but a gold-digging beyotch. You may feel like crap at first, but at least you have a chance to move on. You weren't going to find fulfillment as long as you were with her, and I'm convinced that we weren't going to find it with Jay either.

You're welcome to your own opinion, of course. Are you expecting Jay to be "all that" with the Bears? And if so, how soon?

Captain 'Dre
07-20-2010, 08:28 PM
This is nothing more than crap fans in Denver made up to justify the crap trade. I guess you should believe whatever helps you sleep at night though.

I felt this way even before Jay was traded. Check my post history before you call me a liar.

HAT
07-20-2010, 09:11 PM
I'm saying that I don't think he will be surprising anyone (as you predict) this year.

I think what we saw last year from Orton is as good as it gets.

Get in line then.....In 3 weeks I will be taking OM bets that KO is named to the pro bowl this year. There will be a stipulation, of course, that he must attempt a certain amount of passes. It should be easy money for you and the first 5 takers either way.

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 09:32 PM
Get in line then.....In 3 weeks I will be taking OM bets that KO is named to the pro bowl this year. There will be a stipulation, of course, that he must attempt a certain amount of passes. It should be easy money for you and the first 5 takers either way.

I'll probably bet you on that....but with no stipulations and wiggle room for you.

Either he makes the pro bowl....or he does not.

No room for mealy-mouthed excuses and loop holes.

baja
07-20-2010, 09:35 PM
I'll probably bet you on that....but with no stipulations and wiggle room for you.

Either he makes the pro bowl....or he does not.

No room for mealy-mouthed excuses and loop holes.

Not even if he gets injured and misses the season???

That's not a bet it's a gift.

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 09:40 PM
Not even if he gets injured and misses the season???

That's not a bet it's a gift.

Orton has been pretty durable in his career.

I'm sure his deft athleticism, incredible pocket presence, and super quick feet will keep him out of harms away and allow him to play enough in 2010 to see if he warrants pro bowl status.

baja
07-20-2010, 09:42 PM
Orton has been pretty durable in his career.

I'm sure his deft athleticism, incredible pocket presence, and super quick feet will keep him out of harms away and allow him to play enough in 2010 to see if he warrants pro bowl status.

Would you offer that bet if we were talking about Manning?

HAT
07-20-2010, 09:43 PM
Not even if he gets injured and misses the season???

That's not a bet it's a gift.

I will make it easy on them baja.....I'm only going to require 500 attempts.

Still tightening up my odds though. I will only be asking for somewhere between 7-2 and 5-1.

I'll probably get owned but it will be fun.

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 09:44 PM
Would take that bet if we were talking about Manning?

Are you asking me?

baja
07-20-2010, 09:46 PM
Are you asking me?

Yes, but I meant to type would you offer that bet if we were talking about Manning?

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 09:47 PM
I will make it easy on them baja.....I'm only going to require 500 attempts.

Still tightening up my odds though. I will only be asking for somewhere between 7-2 and 5-1.

I'll probably get owned but it will be fun.

Mealy-mouthing it already, I see.

Get back to me, when you don't require all the odds and the stipulations.

If you're so sure he will be a pro bowler, then bet it straight up.

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 09:49 PM
Yes, but I meant to type would you offer that bet if we were talking about Manning?

I bet that Peyton Manning makes the pro bowl, if that is what you are getting at.

baja
07-20-2010, 09:49 PM
That would be a 'redicluas' bet

OABB
07-20-2010, 09:50 PM
Orton will be a probowler next year. A professional bowler.

baja
07-20-2010, 09:50 PM
I bet that Peyton Manning makes the pro bowl, if that is what you are getting at.

You would take a bet straight up that Manning will make the pro bowl this season?

Bad bet too many variables.

HAT
07-20-2010, 09:56 PM
Mealy-mouthing it already, I see.

Get back to me, when you don't require all the odds and the stipulations.

If you're so sure he will be a pro bowler, then bet it straight up.

I don't bet unless I have the best of it. (Ask BF7)

I believe at 500+ attempts (41 less than last year) and 4-1 ish odds that it will be a +EV wager for me. I may drop down to 7-2 & I may require 5-1. Stay tunes either way.

Or not.

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 09:57 PM
You would take a bet straight up that Manning will make the pro bowl this season?

Bad bet too many variables.

Let's see....Peyton Manning has never missed an NFL game....so chances are, he will play 16 games.

In 12 years, he has made 10 pro bowls, including the last 8 in a row.

The Colts have won at least 12 games each of the last 7 years.

He has thrown for 4000+ yards 10 of his 12 seasons and has 12 seasons of 3700+ yards.

He has never thrown for less than 26 TDs.

His worst statistical season smashes Kyle Orton's best season.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Peyton Manning will make the pro bowl in 2010.

Sometimes you get a little silly when trying to make your point.

baja
07-20-2010, 10:02 PM
Let's see....Peyton Manning has never missed an NFL game....so chances are, he will play 16 games.

In 12 years, he has made 10 pro bowls, including the last 8 in a row.

The Colts have won at least 12 games each of the last 7 years.

He has thrown for 4000+ yards 10 of his 12 seasons and has 12 seasons of 3700+ yards.

He has never thrown for less than 26 TDs.

His worst statistical season smashes Kyle Orton's best season.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Peyton Manning will make the pro bowl in 2010.

Sometimes you get a little silly when trying to make your point.

So do you think the Vegas odds are even money that Manning gets voted to the PB this season?

HAT
07-20-2010, 10:04 PM
Let's see....Peyton Manning has never missed an NFL game....so chances are, he will play 16 games.

In 12 years, he has made 10 pro bowls, including the last 8 in a row.

The Colts have won at least 12 games each of the last 7 years.

He has thrown for 4000+ yards 10 of his 12 seasons and has 12 seasons of 3700+ yards.

He has never thrown for less than 26 TDs.

His worst statistical season smashes Kyle Orton's best season.

I'll go out on a limb and say that Peyton Manning will make the pro bowl in 2010.

Sometimes you get a little silly when trying to make your point.

And yet....Manning wasn't on the PB roster last year.

HAT
07-20-2010, 10:05 PM
So do you think the Vegas odds are even money that Manning gets voted to the PB this season?

SHHHHHH....Votes have nothing to do with this. ;D

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 10:12 PM
So do you think the Vegas odds are even money that Manning gets voted to the PB this season?

I don't care what Vegas thinks....Junkie thinks it's a good bet that Peyton Manning will get voted to the Pro Bowl in 2010.

You can try asking me a hundred different ways to try and catch me in some verbal faux pas to try and claim some sort of odd victory.

Sometimes you get yourself backed into arguments on the Mane and then you start some kind of goofy play on words and sentences to try and validate your argument....then you break out the smilies.

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 10:13 PM
And yet....Manning wasn't on the PB roster last year.

He was a little busy....playing in the Super Bowl.

HAT
07-20-2010, 10:16 PM
He was a little busy....playing in the Super Bowl.

Which is exactly why I will have the best of any bet involving me getting 4-1+ on KO with a minimum of 500 attempts. I'm glad you finally got it. :thanku:

I'd much rather take advantage of the rastas, jhns, drags of the world.

Math is our friend.

baja
07-20-2010, 10:16 PM
I don't care what Vegas thinks....Junkie thinks it's a good bet that Peyton Manning will get voted to the Pro Bowl in 2010.

You can try asking me a hundred different ways to try and catch me in some verbal faux pas to try and claim some sort of odd victory.

Sometimes you get yourself backed into arguments on the Mane and then you start some kind of goofy play on words and sentences to try and validate your argument....then you break out the smilies.

What the hell are you talking about. I'm trying to show you that asking a guy to make this bet straight up is asking for a reduclious bet. But I'm guessing you know that already.

Play on words Indeed!

baja
07-20-2010, 10:33 PM
I don't care what Vegas thinks....Junkie thinks it's a good bet that Peyton Manning will get voted to the Pro Bowl in 2010.

You can try asking me a hundred different ways to try and catch me in some verbal faux pas to try and claim some sort of odd victory.

Sometimes you get yourself backed into arguments on the Mane and then you start some kind of goofy play on words and sentences to try and validate your argument....then you break out the smilies.

You had a fight with your wife didn't you. ;D

SouthStndJunkie
07-20-2010, 10:36 PM
Which is exactly why I will have the best of any bet involving me getting 4-1+ on KO with a minimum of 500 attempts. I'm glad you finally got it. :thanku:

I'd much rather take advantage of the rastas, jhns, drags of the world.

Math is our friend.

I don't know about that....in this year's Pro Bowl they went through Peyton Manning, Philip Rivers, Tom Brady, Matt Schaub, Vince Young, and David Garrard....and still no Kyle Orton and his 541 attempts.

Word is that Stephen Hawking and Gary Coleman were the 7th and 8th in line to play and Kyle Orton was under consideration after them.

cmhargrove
07-21-2010, 06:40 AM
Am I missing something?

I thought this was another Tebow-Cutler thread but it got Manning-jacked.

Captain 'Dre
07-21-2010, 06:56 AM
The poll needs a third option--

(3) Jay Cutler is a douchebag, but I wish he was still OUR douchebag.

Jes sayin'...

Irish Stout
07-21-2010, 08:17 AM
The poll needs a third option--

(3) Jay Cutler is a douchebag, but I wish he was still OUR douchebag.

Jes sayin'...

Thats what I don't get. The thread is "With what you know today who would you rather have..."

With what we know today, we know that Cutler is moody, pouty, and sulky almost 24-7, except when he is comparing Denver to Chicago, then he's beligerent and insulting as well. When Jay was on the sideline you could tell how our offense would do on what his body language said... if he was sitting alone hanging his head, which he often was, then our O would fizzle.

With what we know today, we know that Jay wouldn't answer the phone or come in to see Mr. Bowlen, the dude who signed his paychecks. With what we know today, we know Jay grew up being a Bears fan and never really liked the Broncos organization. With what we know today, Jay 50% heart and 50% a piece of shyt.

With what I know today, I would take a pack of gum over a guy like that playing on my Broncos. Winning trophies is important to me, but really more important to me is watching a team work together as a team and watching unselfish players play for the team and the fans first. I believe that attitude will get you a trophy quicker than the attitudes of people like Jay and Marshall.

Its the attitude I saw in 97 and 98. Its the attitude I saw on last years Saints team. Its the attitude I see McD trying to build within our team. It is not an attitude I see in Mr. Jay "It was the WR's fault my pass was intercepted" Cutler.

So knowing what WE ALL know now.... why would anyone want this character back? He has an arm stronger than almost anyone and feet that can move and the ability to take and give hits, but a head full of marbles. I get it, but I don't get it.

jhns
07-21-2010, 08:21 AM
LOL Irish with the "I'm still crying that the good QB hurt my feelings and I am now a scorned lover." rant.

Irish Stout
07-21-2010, 08:27 AM
LOL Irish with the "I'm still crying that the good QB hurt my feelings and I am now a scorned lover." rant.

Better than jhns with the I'm still hanging off the testes of my ex-QB post every possible thread.

jhns
07-21-2010, 08:33 AM
Better than jhns with the I'm still hanging off the testes of my ex-QB post every possible thread.

No it's not.

Irish Stout
07-21-2010, 08:34 AM
No it's not.

Yes it is. At least I know enough to say "f you" to our ex lover. You still follow him around like a lost puppy dog.

jhns
07-21-2010, 08:43 AM
Yes it is. At least I know enough to say "f you" to our ex lover. You still follow him around like a lost puppy dog.

I bet most every poster here has followed Cutlers post Bronco career more than I have. You know why that is? It's because you can't move on from Cutler. I tell it like it is because I am not a slave to my emotions like all of you.

Mountain Bronco
07-21-2010, 09:08 AM
We don't know **** about Tebow, so how the F are you supposed to answer this question? Retarded Fing question.

Tombstone RJ
07-21-2010, 09:49 AM
This one man team argument really makes you look like you know something about football.

oh johnny boy, you're so weak. We are talking about the QB right? Supposedly Cutler was the one piece the bears needed to get them to the playoffs because Orton stunk, remember?

6-10 broseff.

um, yah....

Cito Pelon
07-21-2010, 09:52 AM
The poll needs a third option--

(3) Jay Cutler is a douchebag, but I wish he was still OUR douchebag.

Jes sayin'...

I'm not gonna tear him down too much. He has his good qualities and bad qualities, same as everybody else. Jay obviously wears his emotions on his sleeve as the saying goes. When he's down, you see it.

He's tried to be a community guy in both his stops in the NFL, I admire that. He's embraced that leadership role. It's going over the top to saddle him with a pejorative term like "douchebag".

Captain 'Dre
07-21-2010, 10:14 AM
It's going over the top to saddle him with a pejorative term like "douchebag".

IMO, Jay earned the "douchebag" label for his performances in post-loss press conferences alone.

All the other stuff just makes him Consumer Report's highest rated douchebag. Ha!

But again... to each his own. It doesn't bother me that other fans here view him less harshly. We can let Jay's career with the Bears be the final statement on his character and leadership.

jhns
07-21-2010, 10:16 AM
oh johnny boy, you're so weak. We are talking about the QB right? Supposedly Cutler was the one piece the bears needed to get them to the playoffs because Orton stunk, remember?

6-10 broseff.

um, yah....

Really? You should point out where I said this at. Maybe it is just that whatever anyone says is all on me? I guess.

jhns
07-21-2010, 10:19 AM
IMO, Jay earned the "douchebag" label for his performances in post-loss press conferences alone.


Says the guy that never listened to one of his press conferences. He always put it all on himself. He had a few poorly worded responses that douchbags like you take out of context. Even the 6 thing was only about training camp attendance and he was very accurate. Chicago had way more people at that camp than we ever have had.

Captain 'Dre
07-21-2010, 10:40 AM
Says the guy that never listened to one of his press conferences. He always put it all on himself. He had a few poorly worded responses that douchbags like you take out of context. Even the 6 thing was only about training camp attendance and he was very accurate. Chicago had way more people at that camp than we ever have had.

Evidently, I hurt your feelings. I'm sorry about that. Everybody knows that Internet forums are places where everybody always agrees, and speaks (types) in a manner that conveys only kindness and respect. (Damn! Where's a rolleyes smilie when you need one?)

Dude... you don't know shiit about me.

Jay "always put it all on himself"?!?!? Uh... riiiiiight.

I "never listened to a post-game press conference"? Ha!

All anyone has to do after a game is go to NFL.com and cue them up. I observed, after losses, Jay mumbling in barely deciphering tones, giving meaningless, stereotypic responses, failing to make eye contact, tersely saying "next question!"... the whole pouty, mopey, immature thing.

If YOU think that's the behavior of a leader and mature person, that's your right. Where I come from, people who behave that way are refered to as "douchebags".

I'm willing to say (and did, in fact, say in earlier posts) that we can agree to disagree. You, apparently, are insisting that we see it YOUR way, and seem to be taking it personally, as evidenced by your flinging invective at me.

Saaaaaay.... you wouldn't be Jay (or Jay's mom), would you? Ha!

jhns
07-21-2010, 10:52 AM
Evidently, I hurt your feelings. I'm sorry about that. Everybody knows that Internet forums are places where everybody always agrees, and speaks (types) in a manner that conveys only kindness, respect and agreement.

Dude... you don't know shiit about me.

Jay "always put it all on himself"?!?!? Uh... riiiiiight.

I never listened to a post-game press conference? Ha!

All anyone has to do after a game is go to NFL.com and cue them up. I observed, after losses, Jay mumbling in barely deciphering tones, giving meaningless, stereotypic responses, failing to make eye contact, tersely saying "next question!"... the whole pouty, mopey, immature thing.

If YOU think that's the behavior of a leader and mature person, that's your right. Where I come from, people who behave that way are refered to as "douchebags".

I'm willing to say (and did, in fact, say in earlier posts) that we can agree to disagree. You, apparently, are insisting that we see it YOUR way, and seem to be taking it personally, as evidenced by your flinging invective at me.

Saaaaaay.... you wouldn't be Jay (or Jay's mom), would you? Ha!

It's not taking it personally, It's pointing out the obvious. You are pretty much the definition of a douche. You are sensitive, can't let things go, and lie about past events to try making the guy that broke your heart look bad. It is sad to see.

You want to agree to disagree because you are wrong, just like everyone else that uses that line. I insist you see it my way because I am right. I am tired of Bronco fans making this franchise look so pathetic. As if any of you would spend this much time crying about Cutler if he was just some crap player that didn't matter (or you didn't want). Even Hillis has been forgotten already. I haven't seen a thread on any of the Browncos in recent times. How about that Lelie guy. He doesn't get threads all the time and he cried his way off the team because he didn't want competition. The list goes on. The list points to you having your feelings hurt by Cutler and not being able to move on from it.

HAT
07-21-2010, 10:55 AM
Really? You should point out where I said this at. Maybe it is just that whatever anyone says is all on me? I guess.

While you don't outright say the Bears will make the playoffs in this thread...
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=82651&page=2

You certainly allude to it several times, starting with this:

Lol, bronco fans are just funny now. You will all soon realize what team has the far superior qb. You will also all soon realize that cutler couldn't cut or trade himself. Him being gone is this teams fault, a lot of you seem to have this backwards.

I'm sure you all will love trying to talk crap about cutler in a couple years, after he makes this team the punchline of most nfl jokes. This was the worst move this team has ever made and one of the worst moves ever made by any team. I guess it is payback for us getting elway or something.

You all act like cutler was bad because he had a few flaws still in his second year playing. Not to mention he was playing with the broncos worst ever defense and pon a team that had a ton of injuries. 8-8 is a miracle with what he had to work with.

Go ahead and keep joking about him now though. You will look dumb doing it after this offseason is over. Cutler is easily going to have the last laugh in all of this.

I also find this exchange on page 6 interesting (before the season started):

You Cutler homers keep using stats to argue your points but forget Cutler has never been a winner. I hated getting rid of him but I am tired of the comparison to a young Elway. Elway could win, Cutler does a great job of padding the stats between the 20's and in garbage time of blowouts. Trade off between Orton and Cutler isn't as big as some make it out to be and it isn't because Orton is great more that Jay is mediocre when it comes down to the whole point of football and that's wins/losses.

To which you replied:
Say this after this season and I will think it is a valid point if it is still true.

What az said in regards to Cutler not being a winner and the fact that Cutler & Orton are basically interchangeable held true.

You said if that were the case you would admit it's valid....And yet you still ball-wash Cutler ad nauseam .

Cito Pelon
07-21-2010, 10:56 AM
IMO, Jay earned the "douchebag" label for his performances in post-loss press conferences alone.

All the other stuff just makes him Consumer Report's highest rated douchebag. Ha!

But again... to each his own. It doesn't bother me that other fans here view him less harshly. We can let Jay's career with the Bears be the final statement on his character and leadership.

Well, yeah, the post-loss press conferences were certainly his low-light.

However, I'm still not gonna saddle the guy with what is one of the lowest terms to saddle a man with - douchebag - because he's put a lot of effort into the community. Cutler right away tried to be a leader in the community at both his NFL stops, so I'm not gonna get on board with trashing the guy in sum.

yerner
07-21-2010, 11:01 AM
Classic.

Haha. Touche. You got me. Thats a pretty funny. My grammar is bad when I type. I blame the public school systems under Obama.

Now go back to hiding your Hillis posts.

jhns
07-21-2010, 11:02 AM
And yet you still ball-wash Cutler ad nauseam .

Notice how a lot of the talk is "in a few years". As in, this is a young player that will be around for a long time. I still feel this way. I think Cutler will need the proper coaching to reach an elite level but he will make the name McDaniels a joke in the NFL. McDaniels better accomplish something fast because if Cutler improves before he does, he will have a hard time finding a new job. I doubt Bowlen keeps him around much longer if he isn't winning a lot, soon.

As for Cutlers ball washing.. What? You think I should just let dirty balls hang around?

HAT
07-21-2010, 11:08 AM
Notice how a lot of the talk is "in a few years".

Spin it any which way you want....Your direct quote was "Say this after this season and I will think it is a valid point if it is still true"

The gist of what az posted can most certainly be considered true after the 2009 season.

Captain 'Dre
07-21-2010, 11:30 AM
It's not taking it personally, It's pointing out the obvious. You are pretty much the definition of a douche. You are sensitive, can't let things go, and lie about past events to try making the guy that broke your heart look bad. It is sad to see.

You want to agree to disagree because you are wrong, just like everyone else that uses that line. I insist you see it my way because I am right. I am tired of Bronco fans making this franchise look so pathetic. As if any of you would spend this much time crying about Cutler if he was just some crap player that didn't matter (or you didn't want). Even Hillis has been forgotten already. I haven't seen a thread on any of the Browncos in recent times. How about that Lelie guy. He doesn't get threads all the time and he cried his way off the team because he didn't want competition. The list goes on. The list points to you having your feelings hurt by Cutler and not being able to move on from it.

Let's put it to the forum here:

Who is being a douchebag here?

Me, or jhns?

Rabb
07-21-2010, 11:34 AM
right now, both of you...but he is the bigger one

don't feed the troll and he will go away

jhns
07-21-2010, 11:36 AM
Spin it any which way you want....Your direct quote was "Say this after this season and I will think it is a valid point if it is still true"

The gist of what az posted can most certainly be considered true after the 2009 season.

I will admit to being uninformed about the Bears organization and I shouldn't have posted that. It is why you won't find quotes from me saying they will make the playoffs.

Anyways, try comparing their situations. I will point out how wrong you are and we can all see the flaws in the logic that what AZ said is correct.

jhns
07-21-2010, 11:37 AM
Let's put it to the forum here:

Who is being a douchebag here?

Me, or jhns?

Asking that question is a pretty douche thing to do.

ColoradoDarin
07-21-2010, 11:40 AM
Let's put it to the forum here:

Who is being a douchebag here?

Me, or jhns?

This message is hidden because jhns is on your ignore list.


Just saying....

jhns
07-21-2010, 11:41 AM
right now, both of you...but he is the bigger one

don't feed the troll and he will go away

Now this is the real douche. I was just kidding with Captain Dre but McRabb is constantly acting like a whiney douche.

Irish Stout
07-21-2010, 12:02 PM
Notice how a lot of the talk is "in a few years". As in, this is a young player that will be around for a long time. I still feel this way. I think Cutler will need the proper coaching to reach an elite level but he will make the name McDaniels a joke in the NFL. McDaniels better accomplish something fast because if Cutler improves before he does, he will have a hard time finding a new job. I doubt Bowlen keeps him around much longer if he isn't winning a lot, soon.

As for Cutlers ball washing.. What? You think I should just let dirty balls hang around?

I just bought this new Industrial High Spin Washer:

http://www.soonteng.com/catalog/images/FS%2013%20-%20High%20Spin%20Industrial%20Washer%20Extractor.j pg

Apparently I bought the wrong brand. Should've bought the jhns brand, cause that boy spins so hard he could get the brown out of turds.

Jhns, you should stop doing your IT work and go to work for Scott McCinnis, you might just put him back in the governors race. Then again, you might be the only one who sees your spin cycle as valid.

jhns
07-21-2010, 12:08 PM
Then again, you might be the only one who sees your spin cycle as valid.

Come on now, I'm sure there is at least one person out there that thinks my spins are good.

Hamrob
07-21-2010, 12:14 PM
Yes, of course I meant better right THIS very moment in time. :rolleyes:

Better off, like... when you dump a girlfriend who's pretty, but a gold-digging beyotch. You may feel like crap at first, but at least you have a chance to move on. You weren't going to find fulfillment as long as you were with her, and I'm convinced that we weren't going to find it with Jay either.

You're welcome to your own opinion, of course. Are you expecting Jay to be "all that" with the Bears? And if so, how soon?I think he'll be all that this year and only get better the longer he has under Martz.

He was pretty darn good in Denver for a 3yr player.

Here's an article you should read:

http://www.sportingnews.com/nfl/article/2010-07-21/five-quarterbacks-who-should-be-benched

Makes me want me old girlfriend back!