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Taco John
07-10-2010, 12:55 AM
Yeah he is, he's got 5 titles. When Kobe had crap around him, he almost scored a 100 points, just about beat the Suns who were #1 in the playoffs. He did well in the interim while Mitch Kupchuk was rebuilding the squad. You can't discredit Kobe because of who was around him or was not. Bird had great players around him, so did Jordan and so on. It's really irrelevant to the discussion.

I think Kobe is one of the greatest modern "Me" players of all time. But guys like Jordan, Bird, and Magic made the players around them better in a way that Kobe has never managed to do.

Taco John
07-10-2010, 01:00 AM
I think I might hate the Heat as much as I hate the Yankees now.

Nah. Nevermind. False alarm.

Give it a season or two, though... There's something brewing there...

24champ
07-10-2010, 01:11 AM
I think Kobe is one of the greatest modern "Me" players of all time. But guys like Jordan, Bird, and Magic made the players around them better in a way that Kobe has never managed to do.


Kobe isn't a great as a facilitator as Magic/Jordan, I don't think anyone would argue that. Still he does a good job facilitating the ball (example: assisting on the most important play of the NBA Finals), great defender and is arguably the most clutch player in the game.

The Logo on Kobe...

"The greatest Laker player we've ever seen in terms of talent and in terms of determination. I've never seen one like him. I have great admiration for (Kareem) Abdul-Jabbar, Elgin Baylor, Magic Johnson. But we've never seen a player with his talent in a Laker uniform....

Your great players, this (playoffs) is the time for them to shine, because you can't really run your offenses. After the first couple of games everyone will be waiting on everyone. The team that has the best ability to beat people off the dribble and be creative are the ones that are gonna be successful. And there's no better player that I've ever seen in my life than him."

Killericon
07-10-2010, 01:17 AM
Vomit. (http://espn.go.com/video/clip?id=5368262&categoryid=2459788)

I gotta say, though, I still like Dwayne Wade.

Dudeskey
07-10-2010, 02:37 AM
I'd rather hear this repeatedly...
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Than hear the media speak another word on Lebron James

ZONA
07-10-2010, 03:49 AM
Not many people are.

Duncan is arguably one of the top three NBA players in history.

Um, no


He's not better then any of these guys and this was just off the top of my head.

Jordan
Bryant
Magic
Bird
Chamberlain
Kareem
Dr. J
Russell
Robertson


I'd put him in that next level alongside guys like

McHale
Shaq
Isiah
Hakeem
Malone
Maravich

cutthemdown
07-10-2010, 06:09 AM
Who got to the FT line more per attempt Jordan or Kobe?

FADERPROOF
07-10-2010, 08:09 AM
Both Bosh and LeBron got their 6 year max deals in a sign and trade, so much for respecting them for taking less to win a title.

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2010, 09:47 AM
Um, no


He's not better then any of these guys and this was just off the top of my head.

Jordan
Bryant
Magic
Bird
Chamberlain
Kareem
Dr. J
Russell
Robertson


I'd put him in that next level alongside guys like

McHale
Shaq
Isiah
Hakeem
Malone
Maravich

Duncan is better than Robertson, Dr. J, Chamberlain, Bryant, Magic Johnson, etc. Like I said, he is arguably top three. Everyone has their own list.

My top five would look like this:

1-Russell
2-Jordan
3-Duncan
4-Bird
5-Olajuwon

Duncan is easily the best power forward in NBA history. No contest. Duncan is also the centerpiece of a 4-time champion. He's not an accessory piece like Bryant was in his first three, or like Magic Johnson and McHale were. Duncan is the undeniable center of the universe for his team. For goodness sake, he got David Robinson a championship. What Robinson was incapable of, Duncan was 4 times capable.

The NBA promotes big market players, and people overrate players from popular franchises. Before Gasol got to LA, he was just another punk that got dominated by better players.

Olajuwon is also extremely underrated.

2KBack
07-10-2010, 09:54 AM
Those Spurs teams were not all Duncan, he too was a piece of a puzzle. I honestly wouldn't even put him in the top 10.

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2010, 09:58 AM
Those Spurs teams were not all Duncan, he too was a piece of a puzzle. I honestly wouldn't even put him in the top 10.

Duncan was clearly the Bill Russell of those teams. Parker was a marginal player until the last few years and Ginobili is certainly a supporting player to Duncan. Without Duncan that team doesnt make the playoffs.

Its typical for people to overlook what a post player contributes to both an offense and a defense. Without one, you dont win championships. Duncan is the best post player of his generation.

2KBack
07-10-2010, 10:20 AM
Duncan was clearly the Bill Russell of those teams. Parker was a marginal player until the last few years and Ginobili is certainly a supporting player to Duncan. Without Duncan that team doesnt make the playoffs.

Its typical for people to overlook what a post player contributes to both an offense and a defense. Without one, you dont win championships. Duncan is the best post player of his generation.

I'm not saying he isn't really good, great even. Top 3? I don't think you'll find many trying to make that argument. Top 10 is even iffy in my opinion.

Due to relevance:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/dan_shaughnessy/03/29/duncan.spurs/index.html

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2010, 10:27 AM
I'm not saying he isn't really good, great even. Top 3? I don't think you'll find many trying to make that argument. Top 10 is even iffy in my opinion.

Due to relevance:

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/dan_shaughnessy/03/29/duncan.spurs/index.html

"OK, I admit I'm being a little unfair to Duncan."

This statement is in that article, and he had to admit it because he was being so extremely ridiculous in some of the players that he had ahead of Duncan.

Then he said things like this: "Somehow, I've missed Duncan's greatness. Maybe it's because he played in San Antonio. Maybe it's the lack of flair in his game. Even his nickname is boring. Please, "The Big Fundamental?" Sounds like a guy you'd fit for a pocket protector."

This dude is clearly trying to shock people into paying attention. He's another Boston moron who wanted Duncan in that draft, missed out, and watched Duncan dominate the league to the tune of a 4-champion dynasty. Typical east coast envy.

bombay
07-10-2010, 04:30 PM
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07-10-2010, 05:52 PM
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That's flippin hilarious.

I would agree with Taco, the Heat are now the Yankees, south beach style.

FADERPROOF
07-10-2010, 06:26 PM
In 2006, James told ESPN The Magazine, "I don't want to go ring hunting. I want to stay in Cleveland and build a championship."

SoCalBronco
07-10-2010, 06:35 PM
I'm kind of shocked that you still have him in your avatar, Pat.

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2010, 06:36 PM
In 2006, James told ESPN The Magazine, "I don't want to go ring hunting. I want to stay in Cleveland and build a championship."

Thats before he decided it wasnt worth his effort.

FADERPROOF
07-10-2010, 07:08 PM
I'm kind of shocked that you still have him in your avatar, Pat.

What does Greg Oden have to do with anything?

SonOfLe-loLang
07-10-2010, 07:14 PM
What does Greg Oden have to do with anything?

Someone cue the "that's racist" gif!

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2010, 07:16 PM
Someone cue the "that's racist" gif!

All white people look the same to me.

gunns
07-10-2010, 07:40 PM
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Not when the stakes are high in the playoffs...no. Regular season, maybe.




First of all, Kobe lost Championships WITH Shaq. Jordan didn't win early in his career losing to the Pistons, and neither did he during the first season he came back from his "retirement", lost to the Magic . Didn't make the playoffs with the Wizards. Bird lost to Magic Johnson and vice versa, Duncan had problems with the Lakers. Losing is part of the sport, and the great ones go through it.

Far as who they had next to them is irrelevant to the discussion.

Kobe and Shaq lost one championship, the year they decided to wheel Karl Malone and Gary Payton in. Who they had next to them is irrelevant? Please, as far as championships it means everything. So does coaching. Yes they have to have the talent, but I don't see that James has had either coaching or the players, yet. You cannot deny that the teams Kobe, Jordan, Bird, Magic won with weren't excellent teams. It's very relevant.

rmsanger
07-10-2010, 11:11 PM
Duncan wasn't even as good as Robinson let alone able to hold Shaq's jock. Now he was a nice player but I'd put him at Barkley and Malone's level tops.

epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2010, 11:13 PM
Duncan wasn't even as good as Robinson let alone able to hold Shaq's jock. Now he was a nice player but I'd put him at Barkley and Malone's level tops.

This is a joke, right?

Orange4Life
07-10-2010, 11:22 PM
Duncan wasn't even as good as Robinson let alone able to hold Shaq's jock. Now he was a nice player but I'd put him at Barkley and Malone's level tops.

Duncan is WAY better than Robinson

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07-10-2010, 11:22 PM
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epicSocialism4tw
07-10-2010, 11:50 PM
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It would be classic if that shirt filled the stadium the two times the Heat play in Cleveland next year.

Killericon
07-11-2010, 01:09 AM
That site is pretty awesome.

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azbroncfan
07-13-2010, 01:58 PM
Jazz add Al Jefferson. Good replacement for Boozer. Better inside game.

OrangeCrush2724
07-13-2010, 03:07 PM
Both Bosh and LeBron got their 6 year max deals in a sign and trade, so much for respecting them for taking less to win a title.

Even with the sign and trade, they each are taking 15 mil less.

lol @ those people that thought the Heat would have a tough time getting decent vets to fill the roster. Its only been a couple of days and they have already signed vets in Miller, Haslem, and Ilaguskas.

Jason in LA
07-13-2010, 11:20 PM
Even with the sign and trade, they each are taking 15 mil less.

lol @ those people that thought the Heat would have a tough time getting decent vets to fill the roster. Its only been a couple of days and they have already signed vets in Miller, Haslem, and Ilaguskas.

I'll take the Lakers top six players over the Heat's top six players.