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Pseudofool
06-30-2010, 09:28 PM
http://espn.go.com/videogames/madden11?teamId=4

Wide Receivers and Tight Ends
NUM NAME POS OVR SPD ACC STR AGL AWR STA TGH INJ SWG JMP CAT CAR SPC CIT RRG
89 D. Graham TE 81 70 72 82 64 74 75 66 86 70 70 64 75 50 70 68


19 E. Royal WR 76 94 95 48 93 75 91 72 90 75 87 84 74 67 74 78


10 J. Gaffney WR 75 83 89 47 87 83 90 85 89 70 80 86 55 84 75 86


14 B. Stokley WR 74 84 87 54 83 82 80 78 67 72 77 83 65 54 84 83


88 D. Thomas WR 74 96 87 76 91 55 86 93 95 78 95 84 68 87 77 54


84 B. Lloyd WR 70 83 85 44 89 79 84 65 80 45 90 79 60 92 50 78


87 E. Decker WR 69 85 87 64 84 57 87 93 76 65 82 86 68 69 86 63


81 R. Quinn TE 67 67 72 78 70 46 80 86 86 55 72 64 65 62 72 44


11 K. McKinley WR 57 90 87 39 88 36 87 67 92 72 89 66 47 54 64 76



Running Backs
NUM NAME POS OVR SPD ACC STR AGL AWR STA TGH INJ SWG JMP CAT CAR TRK ELU BCV STF SMV JMV
27 K. Moreno HB 82 88 96 69 97 62 84 88 88 80 85 77 72 76 87 85 65 92 94
28 C. Buckhalter HB 78 87 91 70 82 82 84 41 41 35 68 71 83 79 68 84 76 74 76
26 J. Arrington HB 69 86 87 62 86 67 69 85 90 65 68 72 69 62 78 71 54 82 83
46 S. Larsen FB 50 72 75 78 70 60 80 85 91 55 75 55 55 55 20 35 49 25 30

Quarterbacks
NUM NAME POS OVR SPD ACC STR AGL AWR STA TGH INJ SWG JMP CAT CAR THP THA TAS TAM TAD
8 K. Orton QB 80 62 63 54 58 85 92 88 92 70 60 23 60 80 84 88 84 77
9 B. Quinn QB 71 71 72 59 72 66 92 79 84 62 65 35 65 86 75 77 72 67
15 T. Tebow QB 70 79 90 84 83 60 96 98 97 75 88 62 86 88 74 74 70 79

Offensive Linemen
NUM NAME POS OVR SPD ACC STR AGL AWR STA TGH INJ SWG JMP RBK PBK
78 R. Clady LT 98 69 85 94 74 88 93 84 89 70 50 93 99





74 R. Harris RT 85 66 78 88 69 82 80 75 81 55 70 86 91





73 C. Kuper RG 82 63 72 85 66 78 80 84 92 54 49 87 85





71 R. Hochstein LG 78 51 62 84 48 82 75 60 75 40 13 86 84





72 M. Williams LG 77 51 61 91 49 78 75 90 84 23 25 88 78





68 Z. Beadles RT 68 58 72 84 55 59 80 94 93 65 17 84 76





70 S. Olsen C 67 66 78 87 55 52 77 92 88 65 28 84 68





77 T. Polumbus LT 67 59 72 85 55 60 78 84 84 61 34 73 75





50 J. Walton C 64 57 64 82 53 52 85 95 95 55 58 83 80






Linebackers
NUM NAME POS OVR SPD ACC STR AGL AWR STA TGH INJ SWG JMP TKL PMV FMV BSR PUR PRC HPR
92 E. Dumervil ROLB 93 86 97 85 86 88 95 75 93 89 74 87 91 99 83 99 94 77
55 D. Williams MLB 88 83 89 77 87 85 92 85 94 80 76 94 67 75 81 93 85 95
56 R. Ayers LOLB 72 78 84 81 75 62 82 75 92 81 59 82 84 62 87 80 83 69
57 M. Haggan MLB 72 76 81 72 78 77 75 75 82 81 65 80 72 77 78 84 77 74
51 A. Ayodele MLB 70 76 86 76 83 75 73 70 93 65 66 81 63 70 76 85 73 74
94 J. Moss ROLB 66 79 88 71 86 65 84 70 82 82 88 74 71 87 66 94 58 60
95 D. Reid LOLB 65 70 79 78 70 70 87 88 88 78 52 79 72 75 68 86 69 75
59 W. Woodyard MLB 65 85 88 66 84 68 82 86 94 79 86 76 42 61 70 88 64 82

Kickers and Punters
NUM NAME POS OVR SPD ACC STR AGL AWR STA TGH INJ SWG KP KA
5 M. Prater K 73 62 63 43 45 66 75 50 75 65 95 83






4 B. Colquitt P 67 63 66 35 60 58 88 55 92 54 87 88







Defensive Linemen
NUM NAME POS OVR SPD ACC STR AGL AWR STA TGH INJ SWG JMP TKL PMV FMV BSR PUR PRC HPR
76 J. Williams DT 87 44 66 98 50 95 75 90 80 75 41 95 90 42 96 70 90 60
93 J. Green RE 78 63 78 83 70 74 70 85 93 75 50 80 78 83 72 75 68 66
97 J. Bannan LE 77 63 69 92 62 78 78 70 85 55 55 85 84 67 88 74 77 55
91 R. Fields DT 76 49 66 88 56 79 66 81 80 78 55 85 82 58 79 74 78 58
98 R. McBean LE 73 65 76 86 64 73 66 78 90 50 35 81 78 58 84 77 76 66
79 M. Thomas RE 69 60 84 87 65 51 76 73 88 50 32 74 80 75 75 78 50 70
75 C. Baker DT 64 61 72 87 57 34 54 70 88 75 70 75 85 55 82 74 37 68
97 L. Smith RE 59 59 78 85 60 69 60 87 87 65 52 80 76 49 72 59 46 70

Defensive Backs
NUM NAME POS OVR SPD ACC STR AGL AWR STA TGH INJ SWG JMP CAT TKL PMV FMV BSR PUR PRC HPR
24 C. Bailey CB 95 95 95 54 97 95 97 84 89 82 95 73 68 35 55 43 80 88 50
20 B. Dawkins FS 90 85 87 67 86 96 90 96 85 88 88 60 73 69 82 67 87 93 88
21 A. Goodman CB 82 92 94 49 89 82 91 70 88 75 87 55 55 16 32 24 80 83 48
31 D. McBath FS 74 85 91 58 91 52 84 85 93 86 90 64 66 55 52 63 86 64 66
23 R. Hill SS 74 83 87 60 85 78 88 75 80 68 83 60 67 16 22 49 80 75 57
22 A. Smith CB 69 90 93 45 88 55 96 80 94 77 90 64 57 23 42 33 79 47 53
33 N. Jones CB 67 84 91 54 86 69 80 65 84 76 82 45 52 35 44 18 70 62 35
32 P. Cox CB 67 88 94 42 90 30 90 68 92 85 93 76 45 33 40 37 64 70 43
30 D. Bruton SS 67 88 85 60 78 55 87 85 90 60 85 51 70 50 49 79 85 62 65
43 S. Thompson CB 66 85 90 47 87 56 90 89 95 78 86 65 57 45 40 30 68 72 70
36 J. Barrett SS 65 90 95 70 86 36 95 75 85 85 87 46 76 70 70 74 85 44 80

Killericon
06-30-2010, 09:33 PM
Oooo...Mcbath can be a starter. Score!

Baba Booey
06-30-2010, 09:40 PM
Stopped reading after I saw Eddie Royal was a 76. What a crock of absolute whore ****.

FireFly
06-30-2010, 10:53 PM
Eddie Royal ..... booooo to his low rating

And our O line :(

At least Kuper deserved more imo - and even Beadles!

FireFly
06-30-2010, 10:54 PM
Smith a 69 .... Ouch

elsid13
07-01-2010, 03:42 AM
Some new ratings this season - Swagger and Route Running.

Overall what I expected. An average team with some sprinkling of highly rated player.

supermanhr9
07-01-2010, 06:10 AM
wow

RhymesayersDU
07-01-2010, 06:24 AM
Stopped reading after I saw Eddie Royal was a 76. What a crock of absolute whore ****.

Yes, because his season was soooo spectacular last year.


I love the guy as much as everybody else, but come on now, he didn't do a ton last year to earn some great rating.

montrose
07-01-2010, 10:17 AM
They've lowered ratings across the board, a 76 this year is kind of like an 86 a few years ago.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0630/vg_broncos_1_576.jpg

Bigdawg26
07-01-2010, 10:47 AM
Thomas has a 96 speed,76 strength, and 84 catch AWESOME!!!

Kaylore
07-01-2010, 11:01 AM
They've lowered ratings across the board, a 76 this year is kind of like an 86 a few years ago.
http://a.espncdn.com/photo/2010/0630/vg_broncos_1_576.jpg

That looks pretty sweet.

Br0nc0Buster
07-01-2010, 11:06 AM
Why do they have Moreno faster than Buckhalter?

Cool Breeze
07-01-2010, 01:24 PM
The columns are shifted but Tebow acc 90 / Orton acc 63
What a bunch of crackheads!

Ambiguous
07-01-2010, 01:58 PM
The columns are shifted but Tebow acc 90 / Orton acc 63
What a bunch of crackheads!

Add to that, Tebow has higher numbers all around. If you average them with no weight, Tebow comes in at 80 and Orton a 72.

montrose
07-01-2010, 02:11 PM
Awareness, awareness, awareness.

Donny Moore of EA who does the ratings for Madden admitted a year ago the rating does absolutly nothing and is their way of balancing out the overall ratings which they know people focus on. D.Thomas, Decker, R.Quinn, McKinley, Moreno, B.Quinn, Tebow, Beadles, Olsen, Walton, Colquitt, M.Thomas, Baker, McBath, Cox, Bruton, Smith, Thompson and Barrett are all victums of this. If you were to raise their awareness up to 80 (again a rating that doesn't effect a thing on the field) you'd see a big jump in their ratings.

If you want to really know who the best players are, just change every player's awareness (either up or down) to 80.

cutthemdown
07-01-2010, 02:14 PM
Complaining about Royal a joke. He's an average to good NFL player. Around 80 seems about right.

Doggcow
07-01-2010, 04:59 PM
Tebow definitely looks like he will be my starter!

Too bad Graham still sucks, going to need to figure out a new primary passing target this year (Sheffler was my old one).

Is SWG seriously Swag? Tebow is definitely all swagged out!

Doggcow
07-01-2010, 05:00 PM
Complaining about Royal a joke. He's an average to good NFL player. Around 80 seems about right.

Torry Holt is rated 79.

It is a crock of **** rating Royal 76.

Doggcow
07-01-2010, 05:17 PM
A solid starting lineup looks like this to me.

QB: Tebow
RB: Moreno/Buck
WR: Royal/Thomas/Gaff
Oline: Standard

(I run a 4-3 because it's always worked better in madden, they may have changed it)
Dline: I'm thinking- Jarvis Moss - Bannan - Williams - Doom
LB: Ayers - DJ - Josh Barrett
Primary Blitzer (Depending on formation I move this guy into the blitzing position I use the most) Josh Barrett
Secondary: Standard

RonDaChamp24
07-01-2010, 05:59 PM
Our team is rated horribly. Looks like I'll be editing a few players here and there. I don't like doing anything drastic, but our O-line is NOT as bad as they have it rated rookies or not.

db56
07-01-2010, 07:03 PM
Jamal Williams 66 strength, Z. Beadles 72 strength, E. Decker 69 speed!! hmmm...

misturanderson
07-01-2010, 07:24 PM
Why do they have Moreno faster than Buckhalter?

That's what I was wondering. I guess they are taking into account the fact that Buckhalter is injured 75% of the time he's playing or something.

Br0nc0Buster
07-01-2010, 07:48 PM
Jamal Williams 66 strength, Z. Beadles 72 strength, E. Decker 69 speed!! hmmm...

its off by a column
Decker has 85 speed and J Wall has 98 strength

Natedog24
07-01-2010, 08:42 PM
Torry Holt is rated 79.

It is a crock of **** rating Royal 76.

Holt is overrated much like every over the hill vet is in Madden but a 76 for Royal seems pretty fair to me after last season.

Cmac821
07-01-2010, 08:54 PM
To hard to read and shift at the same time

edit: click the link

Rabb
07-01-2010, 08:59 PM
Torry Holt is rated 79.

It is a crock of **** rating Royal 76.

I love Eddie, let me say that first...

...but given the 2 careers so far, I think that it's a fair rating...Eddie has a great speed rating which is correct but what factor has he been really?

The rating will go up as he is used more in the offense this year, and all will be glorious again in Madden world.

montrose
07-02-2010, 09:15 AM
A solid starting lineup looks like this to me.

QB: Tebow
RB: Moreno/Buck
WR: Royal/Thomas/Gaff
Oline: Standard

(I run a 4-3 because it's always worked better in madden, they may have changed it)
Dline: I'm thinking- Jarvis Moss - Bannan - Williams - Doom
LB: Ayers - DJ - Josh Barrett
Primary Blitzer (Depending on formation I move this guy into the blitzing position I use the most) Josh Barrett
Secondary: Standard

I started to take to the 3-4 last year, give it a try as it can really help against short-pass games. If anyone wants to stick with Orton as their starter, I noticed on a YouTube video that we have a formation called "Bronco Heavy" that is basically the Wild Horses with Tebow at QB.

I use the team much as they're used in real life, so a lot shotgun and singleback with 3-4 WRs every play - screen passes galore. I'm thinking my lineup will be:

QB: Tebow, Orton, B.Quinn
RB: Moreno, Buckhalter, Arrington
WR: Thomas, Decker, Royal (slot), Gaffney, Stokley, Lloyd, McKinley
TE: Graham, R.Quinn
LT: Clady, Polumbus
LG: Beadles, Olsen
C: Hochstein, Walton
RG: Kuper
RT: Harris

LE: Bannan, McBean
RE: Green, Thomas, Smith
DT: J.Williams, Fields, Baker
LOLB: Ayers, Reid
MLB: D.Williams, Haggan, Woodyard, Ayodele
ROLB: Dumervil, Moss
CB: Bailey, Goodman, Smith, Cox, Jones, Thompson
FS: McBath, Barrett
SS: Dawkins, Bruton, Hill

K: Prater
P: Colquitt
PR: Royal, Smith
KR: Royal, Smith, McKinley
3DB: Buckhalter, Arrington

I've got to wait for the 1st update (usually comes out of the box) but again the most important thing to do is look at the awareness rating because it doesn't mean a thing and is used to effect overall ratings.

Want to know why Torry Holt is rated higher than Eddie Royal? Try a 94 rating in awareness versus 75. Look at the rest of their ratings and see who the better player is.

Pseudofool
07-02-2010, 09:58 AM
So you're saying that Awareness doesn't actually do anything for gameplay but affect the Overall number so that they are more in line what people think? Why would EA make sneaky good players with low awareness? I don't see the benefit from EAs part for being tricky like this.

montrose
07-02-2010, 10:07 AM
So you're saying that Awareness doesn't actually do anything for gameplay but affect the Overall number so that they are more in line what people think? Why would EA make sneaky good players with low awareness? I don't see the benefit from EAs part for being tricky like this.

Yes, Donny Moore who is the guy at EA that makes the ratings admitted last year that the awareness rating does absolutly nothing and is simply used as a modifer to effect the overall rating. You can take a player and set his awareness rating to 50, or 99, and it will not effect the player one bit. It does, however, HEAVILY effect their overall rating. It takes time, but the best way to judge all fo your players is to set their awareness rating at 85 (or 75, 70, etc. - just set it to the same number).

Kaylore
07-02-2010, 10:15 AM
My experience with Awareness is that it affects their response times and how often they do "what they're supposed to." A great example is receivers with lower awareness often run the wrong routes. D-linemen bite on PA more when their awareness is low. And offensive linemen let people past. I'm pretty sure it's the Madden equivalent to football IQ except it basically makes them just act retarded now and again and the lower the number the more often they go retard on you for one play.

Pseudofool
07-02-2010, 10:38 AM
Yes, Donny Moore who is the guy at EA that makes the ratings admitted last year that the awareness rating does absolutly nothing and is simply used as a modifer to effect the overall rating. You can take a player and set his awareness rating to 50, or 99, and it will not effect the player one bit. It does, however, HEAVILY effect their overall rating. It takes time, but the best way to judge all fo your players is to set their awareness rating at 85 (or 75, 70, etc. - just set it to the same number).
What I don't get is why EA would do this. I don't see the sense in it. What's a matter with having the Overall number actually reflect the talent of the player?

montrose
07-02-2010, 11:09 AM
My experience with Awareness is that it affects their response times and how often they do "what they're supposed to." A great example is receivers with lower awareness often run the wrong routes. D-linemen bite on PA more when their awareness is low. And offensive linemen let people past. I'm pretty sure it's the Madden equivalent to football IQ except it basically makes them just act retarded now and again and the lower the number the more often they go retard on you for one play.

That was what awareness used to do, before they added in actual ratings like route running, play recognition, etc. Moore said they essentially broke down the things that awareness used to effect into separate categories but kept awareness as an "overall rating modifier".

What I don't get is why EA would do this. I don't see the sense in it. What's a matter with having the Overall number actually reflect the talent of the player?

They know that most people just focus in on the overall number, it's their way of giving guys their appropriate ratings in speed, strength, etc. without jacking up their overall rating. Lets look at Demaryius Thomas for example - he's crazy fast, very strong and has good hands. Well I can't give an unproven rookie a rating in the 90s, but should I make him slower than he actually is? Or give him a low hands rating to where he can't catch? That's why they have the awareness rating - so they can accuratly rate a guys athletic ability without changing his overall rating.

Pseudofool
07-02-2010, 11:14 AM
They know that most people just focus in on the overall number, it's their way of giving guys their appropriate ratings in speed, strength, etc. without jacking up their overall rating. Lets look at Demaryius Thomas for example - he's crazy fast, very strong and has good hands. Well I can't give an unproven rookie a rating in the 90s, but should I make him slower than he actually is? Or give him a low hands rating to where he can't catch? That's why they have the awareness rating - so they can accuratly rate a guys athletic ability without changing his overall rating.I suppose that makes sense, but it seems like they need a set of talent ratings and then another set of execution ratings, so this doesn't crop up. Because the notion of talented rookies succeeding right away seems problematic. Or the problem is in how they calculate the overall number, but the awareness trick seems a bit of laziness or incompetence to me.

montrose
07-02-2010, 11:38 AM
I suppose that makes sense, but it seems like they need a set of talent ratings and then another set of execution ratings, so this doesn't crop up. Because the notion of talented rookies succeeding right away seems problematic. Or the problem is in how they calculate the overall number, but the awareness trick seems a bit of laziness or incompetence to me.

Within the Madden community, many share your sentiment. This is an in-depth discussion that's been going on for YEARS.

Doggcow
07-02-2010, 06:29 PM
Yes, Donny Moore who is the guy at EA that makes the ratings admitted last year that the awareness rating does absolutly nothing and is simply used as a modifer to effect the overall rating. You can take a player and set his awareness rating to 50, or 99, and it will not effect the player one bit. It does, however, HEAVILY effect their overall rating. It takes time, but the best way to judge all fo your players is to set their awareness rating at 85 (or 75, 70, etc. - just set it to the same number).

And this is why Josh Barrett ABSOLUTELY OWNS

colonelbeef
07-02-2010, 07:26 PM
All of the best players are Shanahan picks

shocker

montrose
07-05-2010, 12:20 PM
All of the best players are Shanahan picks

shocker

I know, right?

Homer Simpson
07-05-2010, 12:38 PM
All of the best players are Shanahan picks

shocker

Can't tell if you are kidding or not. Were they going to be McDaniel's picks, after 2 drafts, one set who've never played a snap in the NFL or one lot who have had one rookie season?

montrose
07-05-2010, 12:40 PM
Through the magic of EA releasing an Excel spreadsheet of the Broncos ratings I was able to look through the Broncos ratings to determine the actual best players to play. Generally, 3-4 awareness points will increase an overall rating 1 point. I created a formula that reset everyone's overall rating based on an awareness rating of 99 - at a 3.5:1 awareness to overall ratio (rounding up at .5). Here's what I found (original ratings in parentheses):

QB
Orton, 84 (80)
Tebow, 81 (70)
Quinn, 80 (71)

HB
Moreno, 93 (82)
Buckhalter, 83 (78)
Arrington, 78 (69)

FB
Larsen, 61 (50)

WR
Thomas, 87 (74)
Royal, 83 (76)
Decker, 81 (69)
Gaffney, 80 (75)
Stokley, 79 (74)
Lloyd, 76 (70)
McKinley, 75 (57)

TE
Graham, 88 (81)
Quinn, 81 (67)

OT
Clady, 101 (98)
Harris, 90 (85)
Beadles, 79 (68)
Polumbus, 78 (67)

C/G
Kuper, 88 (82)
Hochstein, 83 (78)
Olsen, 80 (67)
Walton, 77 (64)

DE
Green, 85 (78)
Bannan, 83 (77)
Thomas, 83 (69)
McBean, 80 (73)
Smith, 68 (59)

DT
Williams, 88 (87)
Baker, 83 (64)
Fields, 82 (76)

OLB
Dumervil, 96 (93)
Ayers, 83 (72)
Moss, 76 (66)
Reid, 73 (65)

MLB
Williams, 92 (88)
Haggan, 78 (72)
Ayodele, 77 (70)
Woodyard, 74 (65)

S
Dawkins, 91 (90)
McBath, 87 (74)
Barrett, 83 (65)
Bruton, 80 (67)
Hill, 80 (74)

CB
Bailey, 96 (95)
Cox, 87 (67)
Goodman, 87 (82)
Smith, 82 (69)
Thompson, 78 (66)
Jones, 76 (67)

Pseudofool
07-05-2010, 12:54 PM
Interesting, monstrose. Thanks.

cutthemdown
07-05-2010, 01:37 PM
Holt is overrated much like every over the hill vet is in Madden but a 76 for Royal seems pretty fair to me after last season.

I agree. Holt rates higher because he's a vet and it takes a bit for people to let go of there past prowess.

Royal though is among a ton of NFL avg WR. Bronco fans just want to believe all there players are special.

Royal just an avg small, quick wr with decent hands.

76 seems about right.

Doggcow
07-05-2010, 04:11 PM
Through the magic of EA releasing an Excel spreadsheet of the Broncos ratings I was able to look through the Broncos ratings to determine the actual best players to play. Generally, 3-4 awareness points will increase an overall rating 1 point. I created a formula that reset everyone's overall rating based on an awareness rating of 99 - at a 3.5:1 awareness to overall ratio (rounding up at .5). Here's what I found (original ratings in parentheses):

QB
Orton, 84 (80)
Tebow, 81 (70)
Quinn, 80 (71)

HB
Moreno, 93 (82)
Buckhalter, 83 (78)
Arrington, 78 (69)

FB
Larsen, 61 (50)

WR
Thomas, 87 (74)
Royal, 83 (76)
Decker, 81 (69)
Gaffney, 80 (75)
Stokley, 79 (74)
Lloyd, 76 (70)
McKinley, 75 (57)

TE
Graham, 88 (81)
Quinn, 81 (67)

OT
Clady, 101 (98)
Harris, 90 (85)
Beadles, 79 (68)
Polumbus, 78 (67)

C/G
Kuper, 88 (82)
Hochstein, 83 (78)
Olsen, 80 (67)
Walton, 77 (64)

DE
Green, 85 (78)
Bannan, 83 (77)
Thomas, 83 (69)
McBean, 80 (73)
Smith, 68 (59)

DT
Williams, 88 (87)
Baker, 83 (64)
Fields, 82 (76)

OLB
Dumervil, 96 (93)
Ayers, 83 (72)
Moss, 76 (66)
Reid, 73 (65)

MLB
Williams, 92 (88)
Haggan, 78 (72)
Ayodele, 77 (70)
Woodyard, 74 (65)

S
Dawkins, 91 (90)
McBath, 87 (74)
Barrett, 83 (65)
Bruton, 80 (67)
Hill, 80 (74)

CB
Bailey, 96 (95)
Cox, 87 (67)
Goodman, 87 (82)
Smith, 82 (69)
Thompson, 78 (66)
Jones, 76 (67)

Cox will only replace Goodman for fast wides... I'll definitely be using him more for blitzing.
FYI people, Goodman is a beast.