View Full Version : Only BroncoBuff has walked in FDR's footsteps ... and that's a fact.
BroncoBuff
06-29-2010, 08:59 PM
This happened just TODAY ... never knew it was there.
South of Downtown Seattle ... driving by I saw it.
It's a sign, m'fers.
Bow down.
BroncoBuff
06-29-2010, 08:59 PM
Wait for it .....
BroncoBuff
06-29-2010, 09:18 PM
FDR was right for America!
:USA: Can't say the war bailed Roosevelt out ...
W started two wars, and left the economy in tatters ... ROFL!
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:USA: This is a sign ... FDR was right! :USA:
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:thanku:
FDR was right for America!
:USA: Can't say the war bailed Roosevelt out ...
W started two wars, and left the economy in tatters ... ROFL!
http://img340.imageshack.us/img340/8318/final2i.jpg
http://img138.imageshack.us/img138/7495/final1q.jpg
:USA: [SIZE="4"]This is a sign ... FDR was right! :USA:
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:thanku:
How about this quote from 1939
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot."
Who said it?
FDR's Treasury Secretary Henry Morganthau Jr.
BroncoBuff 1
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Sorry that one is a three pointer.
Meck77
06-29-2010, 11:58 PM
I want to see people get enough to eat.
The stimulus was supposed to be focused towards main street. Remember? How many Omaners got a stimulus check? How many of you had your debt wiped out for no good reason? How many of you got a turkey pot pie from our government lately?
Meanwhile Walmart has stepped up to feed America. Who would have ever thought.....
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-30-2010, 02:28 AM
The stimulus was supposed to be focused towards main street. Remember? .....
Just like Bush's tax cuts.
According to your supply-side dogma, those cuts were supposed to stimulate the economy.
Remember?
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-30-2010, 02:40 AM
How about this quote from 1939
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot."
Who said it?
FDR's Treasury Secretary Henry Morganthau Jr.
BroncoBuff 1
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Sorry that one is a three pointer.
ROFL!
What an ironic post coming from a cheerleader for Bush, i.e., a man who created more debt than all previous presidents combined.
By now your position is crystal clear: Debt created by Democrats is bad - debt created by republi-cons is good (or at least excusable.)
BTW, your cherry-picked quote from Morgenthau is myopic insofar as it fails to take into account that spending was necessary to bring the country out of the republican-engineered depression - even as it was necessary to rein in spending after the crisis had passed.
epicSocialism4tw
06-30-2010, 06:37 AM
How about this quote from 1939
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot."
Who said it?
FDR's Treasury Secretary Henry Morganthau Jr.
BroncoBuff 1
Rightards 3
Sorry that one is a three pointer.
Zing.
barryr
06-30-2010, 09:13 AM
The stimulus was supposed to be focused towards main street. Remember? How many Omaners got a stimulus check? How many of you had your debt wiped out for no good reason? How many of you got a turkey pot pie from our government lately?
Meanwhile Walmart has stepped up to feed America. Who would have ever thought.....
Yeah, I called my mortgage company to see if i fit into any of these deals. No, I dont since I either have to stop making payments for over 60 days or file for bankrupty AND THEN they can do something for me.
So none of these supposed breaks for homeowners helps PREVENT bankrupty, it's only after you get to that point. Gee, thanks Obama. Why do I do feel like if I wasn't a white guy who made all his payments and makes a modest income I would qualify for all kinds of programs?
Oh, and there are still people who actually believe FDR really helped the economy? Wow.
Spider
06-30-2010, 09:16 AM
Yeah, I called my mortgage company to see if i fit into any of these deals. No, I dont since I either have to stop making payments for over 60 days or file for bankrupty AND THEN they can do something for me.
So none of these supposed breaks for homeowners helps PREVENT bankrupty, it's only after you get to that point. Gee, thanks Obama. Why do I do feel like if I wasn't a white guy who made all his payments and makes a modest income I would qualify for all kinds of programs?
Oh, and there are still people who actually believe FDR really helped the economy? Wow.
Hilarious! wasnt same one biatching about handouts in another thread for poor people ............. now you tried getting one ? Hilarious!
barryr
06-30-2010, 09:19 AM
Hilarious! wasnt same one biatching about handouts in another thread for poor people ............. now you tried getting one ? Hilarious!
Why not oh toothless one? All these rich companies got bailouts, why shouldn't I get one? Now time to go back to your hobby, and look for desperate hitchhikers who don't mind the smell LOL
Spider
06-30-2010, 09:21 AM
Why not oh toothless one? All these rich companies got bailouts, why shouldn't I get one? Now time to go back to your hobby, and look for desperate hitchhikers who don't mind the smell LOL
LOL hypocrisy means nothing to you does it ?
TonyR
06-30-2010, 09:22 AM
...if I wasn't a white guy...
What does race have to do with it?
barryr
06-30-2010, 09:24 AM
What does race have to do with it?
They are looking for minorities who got bad deals to help out, you know it, I know it.
barryr
06-30-2010, 09:25 AM
LOL hypocrisy means nothing to you does it ?
Irony from you toothless boy :flower:
Spider
06-30-2010, 09:28 AM
Irony from you toothless boy :flower:
Hilarious! cant tell if you are this stupid , or .......... only you will start a thread about the evils of helping the poor , and in another thread justify yourself asking for a handout .......
Spider
06-30-2010, 09:30 AM
funny how that works , I support the welfare program , and I have never asked for a handout , never drawn unemployment .......... to bad you cant claim the same huh barry LMAO
BroncoBuff
06-30-2010, 11:06 AM
"We have tried spending money. We are spending more than we have ever spent before and it does not work. And I have just one interest, and if I am wrong … somebody else can have my job. I want to see this country prosperous. I want to see people get a job. I want to see people get enough to eat. We have never made good on our promises. … I say after eight years of this Administration we have just as much unemployment as when we started. … And an enormous debt to boot."
Who said it? FDR's Treasury Secretary Henry Morganthau Jr.
Morgenthau said that, fine, sounds like an accurate recount of the circumstances to me.
But you're really missing the point. Back away from the minutia for a second, boil it down: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure ... PREVENT Republican corporation-humpers like Coolidge and Hoover and Bush from creating these historic messes, and we won't have to turn to Democrats to CURE things.
Pretty sad ... I guess you must blame your doctor when you get sick? hmmm...
Morgenthau said that, fine, sounds like an accurate recount of the circumstances to me.
But you're really missing the point. Back away from the minutia for a second, boil it down: An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure ... PREVENT Republican corporation-humpers like Coolidge and Hoover and Bush from creating these historic messes, and we won't have to turn to Democrats to CURE things.
Pretty sad ... I guess you must blame your doctor when you get sick? hmmm...
Except as we saw with FDR and are seeing with Obama they are snake oil salesmen and not MDs. They are incapable of curing anything because the potions they are selling are not sound economics.
If you think the economic improvement during the FDR war years can be repeated in the absence of such a global surge in demand created by that war than you are crazy. FDR found himself being the only shop in town and that will likely never again repeat itself.
What FDR was doing was not working and wouldn't have ever worked without the war. His own expert said so.
How a guy who took the top tax rate from 25% to 94% can be considered a hero in anyway is beyond me. He took it to 84% even before the war started. Absolutely criminal behaviour is the only way to describe it. The founding fathers heads would have exploded.
Rohirrim
06-30-2010, 01:23 PM
Except as we saw with FDR and are seeing with Obama they are snake oil salesmen and not MDs. They are incapable of curing anything because the potions they are selling are not sound economics.
If you think the economic improvement during the FDR war years can be repeated in the absence of such a global surge in demand created by that war than you are crazy. FDR found himself being the only shop in town and that will likely never again repeat itself.
What FDR was doing was not working and wouldn't have ever worked without the war. His own expert said so.
How a guy who took the top tax rate from 25% to 94% can be considered a hero in anyway is beyond me. He took it to 84% even before the war started. Absolutely criminal behaviour is the only way to describe it. The founding fathers heads would have exploded.
You're blaming the wrong Roosevelt:
"At many stages in the advance of humanity, this conflict between the men who possess more than they have earned and the men who have earned more than they possess is the central condition of progress. In our day it appears as the struggle of freemen to gain and hold the right of self-government as against the special interests, who twist the methods of free government into machinery for defeating the popular will. At every stage, and under all circumstances, the essence of the struggle is to equalize opportunity, destroy privilege, and give to the life and citizenship of every individual the highest possible value both to himself and to the commonwealth......
"No man should receive a dollar unless that dollar has been fairly earned. Every dollar received should represent a dollar's worth of service rendered, not gambling in stocks, but service rendered. The really big fortune, the swollen fortune, by the mere fact of its size, acquires qualities which differentiate it in kind as well as in degree from what is possessed by men of relatively small means. Therefore, I believe in a graduated income tax on big fortunes, and in another tax which is far more easily collected and far more effective, a graduated inheritance tax on big fortunes, properly safeguarded against evasion, and increasing rapidly in amount with the size of the estate."
(Teddy Roosevelt)
Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/10/teddy-roosevelt-socialist-advo.html#ixzz0sMzVJJkt
Me and Teddy. Progressives. ;D
You're blaming the wrong Roosevelt:
"At many stages in the advance of humanity, this conflict between the men who possess more than they have earned and the men who have earned more than they possess is the central condition of progress. In our day it appears as the struggle of freemen to gain and hold the right of self-government as against the special interests, who twist the methods of free government into machinery for defeating the popular will. At every stage, and under all circumstances, the essence of the struggle is to equalize opportunity, destroy privilege, and give to the life and citizenship of every individual the highest possible value both to himself and to the commonwealth......
"No man should receive a dollar unless that dollar has been fairly earned. Every dollar received should represent a dollar's worth of service rendered, not gambling in stocks, but service rendered. The really big fortune, the swollen fortune, by the mere fact of its size, acquires qualities which differentiate it in kind as well as in degree from what is possessed by men of relatively small means. Therefore, I believe in a graduated income tax on big fortunes, and in another tax which is far more easily collected and far more effective, a graduated inheritance tax on big fortunes, properly safeguarded against evasion, and increasing rapidly in amount with the size of the estate."
(Teddy Roosevelt)
Read more: http://blog.beliefnet.com/stevenwaldman/2008/10/teddy-roosevelt-socialist-advo.html#ixzz0sMzVJJkt
Me and Teddy. Progressives. ;D
I will give you that one. But Teddy was living in the era of the Standard Oil excesses when things were completely out of balance so I can see somewhat where he is coming from.
But I think even old Teddy would have throttled his namesake with bullwhip if he saw 94% hitting the books.
Rohirrim
06-30-2010, 02:32 PM
I will give you that one. But Teddy was living in the era of the Standard Oil excesses when things were completely out of balance so I can see somewhat where he is coming from.
But I think even old Teddy would have throttled his namesake with bullwhip if he saw 94% hitting the books.
The "excesses" are far worse now, IMHO. AIG? Goldman Sachs? BP? Enron? etc etc etc etc...
Popcorn Sutton
06-30-2010, 03:08 PM
The stimulus was supposed to be focused towards main street. Remember? How many Omaners got a stimulus check? How many of you had your debt wiped out for no good reason? How many of you got a turkey pot pie from our government lately?
Meanwhile Walmart has stepped up to feed America. Who would have ever thought.....
280 Billion of the stimulus was the "Making Work Pay Tax Credit." Most of the OManers received this.
The "excesses" are far worse now, IMHO. AIG? Goldman Sachs? BP? Enron? etc etc etc etc...
Just greedy businessmen. Been around since the dawn of time. When government puts its energies into making sure they don't collude and puts the weight of the Justice department into stiff sentences for white collar crime much of this nonsense will go away.
But it is not a crime to lose investors money if you did your job honorably and it is not a crime to make lots of profit if you played by the rules doing it.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
06-30-2010, 04:54 PM
Just greedy businessmen. Been around since the dawn of time. When government puts its energies into making sure they don't collude and puts the weight of the Justice department into stiff sentences for white collar crime much of this nonsense will go away.
Since when has your party been in favor of that sort of thing?
Your boy Bush certainly wasn't. Just the opposite, in fact. He was about as anti-regulation and "let big business police itself" as it gets.
BroncoBuff
06-30-2010, 10:44 PM
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Thought I'd get more reaction to this ... ???
Jealous bastards, every one of you.
Since when has your party been in favor of that sort of thing?
Your boy Bush certainly wasn't. Just the opposite, in fact. He was about as anti-regulation and "let big business police itself" as it gets.
True to a large extent.
I think the party is always in search of the right balance between regulation and creating an environment conducive for business.
In my view lots of regulations nobody enforces doesn't make things any better. It is kind of like our border policy. We have the proper laws on the books just they don't or can't enforce it.
The best thing you can do for businesses and jobs and keeping corruption low in businesses is keep corporate taxes low. We have one of the highest tax rates in the world and that means businesses spend a lot of time and money figuring out how to get around them so they can reivest in the business and politicians spend a lot of time figuring out how to give their favorite businesses tax breaks. As you always are quick to point out businesses always somehow seem to pay relatively low taxes anyways for the reasons I just mentioned.
Simple tough regulation and enforcement and low corporate taxes create the best business environment for investment and job growth.
L.A. BRONCOS FAN
07-01-2010, 06:26 AM
The best thing you can do for businesses and jobs and keeping corruption low in businesses is keep corporate taxes low. We have one of the highest tax rates in the world and that means businesses spend a lot of time and money figuring out how to get around them...
Sorry, but that is just absolute hogwash.
Study says most corporations pay no U.S. income taxes
WASHINGTON
Tue Aug 12, 2008 12:54pm EDT
WASHINGTON (Reuters) - Most U.S. and foreign corporations doing business in the United States avoid paying any federal income taxes, despite trillions of dollars worth of sales, a government study released on Tuesday said.
The Government Accountability Office said 72 percent of all foreign corporations and about 57 percent of U.S. companies doing business in the United States paid no federal income taxes for at least one year between 1998 and 2005.
More than half of foreign companies and about 42 percent of U.S. companies paid no U.S. income taxes for two or more years in that period, the report said.
During that time corporate sales in the United States totaled $2.5 trillion, according to Democratic Sens. Carl Levin of Michigan and Byron Dorgan of North Dakota, who requested the GAO study.
http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSN1249465620080812
Most Companies Pay No Federal Income Tax
GAO Study Also Finds 68% Of Foreign Companies In U.S. Avoid Corporate Taxes
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/08/12/national/main4342535.shtml
Most firms pay no income taxes - Congress
Study finds that the majority of domestic and foreign corporations in the United States avoid paying federal income taxes.
http://money.cnn.com/2008/08/12/news/economy/corporate_taxes/