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montrose
06-27-2010, 08:15 PM
What is the heck has happened to my hometown? Itís like Iíve awoken from a slumber and have suddenly found myself living in some sort of Bizarro World. Because the Denver I knew, the one I was born and raised in, is almost unrecognizable in 2010.

When I was a kid, people in the Mile High City painted their houses orange to show their support for the Broncos. They sold out every game of the 1994-95 NBA season, supporting a Nuggets team that finished 41-41 because they were so excited about what the young squad had done the year before in the playoffs. And they shattered the Major League Baseball single season attendance record, drawing more than 4.4 million fans to Mile High Stadium during the first year the Rockies were in existence.

As a result, Denver developed a reputation for being a great sports town. Athletes wanted to play here. Upstart leagues wanted to put franchises here. And opposing players dreaded coming here. It was a place where it was great to play for the home team and bad to play for the visiting one.
Oh, how times have changed. Nowadays, games played in Denver seem to have a laissez faire attitude. And more often than not, the home-field advantage that once carried local franchises has been erased by an infiltration of opposing fans.

Itís enough to make someone who spent their formative years cheering on the home team at Mile High Stadium and McNichols Arena sick to his stomach. Or at the very least, it makes me a little woozy from confusion.

The past two nights, this transformation of Denver from a great sports town, one that supported its teams with unbridled passion, to one that is in a class that includes apathetic places like Atlanta, Houston, Miami and Phoenix has been on full display. While the Rockies played host to the Red Sox in an intriguing inter-league match-up between playoff-hopeful teams, Coors Field felt like it was in Boston as much as Lodo.

With what seemed like 20,000 members of Red Sox Nation taking over the stadium, it was hard not to be embarrassed to be a Denver sports fan. After all, these kinds of scenes donít happen in great sports towns. Youíd never see a sight like that in Boston, Chicago, New York or Philadelphia. The home crowd wouldnít allow it; they have too much pride in their team and their community to let it happen.

And this isnít just a problem with the local baseball team. Itís becoming an epidemic throughout the region.

When the Broncos hosted the Steelers in the 2005 AFC Championship Game, the estimated 20,000 Terrible Towels being waved inside Invesco Field made it feel like the game was in Pittsburgh. And during the 2009 NBA Western Conference Finals, there were enough Lakers fans at Pepsi Center during game six that chants of ďM-V-P!Ē every time Kobe Bryant went to the free throw line were impossible to drown out. Try to imagine either of those scenes transpiring in the Big Apple or Bean Town.

There are a lot of reasons that have been offered as excuses as to why this is happening. And some of the thoughts have some validity.

Denver is a city that has exploded in population during the past two decades, bringing in influx of transplants to the community who have an allegiance to their previous hometown teams. And unlike in the past, the advent of cable television has allowed those displaced fans to remain loyal to their old teams; when you can watch every game Boston plays even when you live in Denver, thereís no reason to adopt the new cityís teams.

Television is also to blame in another way, as well. With every game the team plays now available on television, thereís less motivation to make the drive in from the suburbs on a weeknight to go to the game. When you can see it in HD at home, saving the trip downtown is pretty tempting. As a result, unmotivated hometown fans are replaced at the games by displaced fans who only get one, two or three times per year to watch their favorite team play. A Rockies fan in Parker will simply catch another game later in the season, while Mr. Boston and his factory-tattered-to-make-it-look-worn Sox cap have had this week circled on the calendar for months.

And finally, there are the economic factors involved in going to a game. While the nation continues dig itself out of a pretty deep recession, itís harder and harder to justify laying down big dollars for ducats to a ballgame.

There is some validity to these theories. But I still donít buy it. After all, there are a lot of people from outside of New York who move to the Big Apple and they havenít taken over Yankee Stadium. They show games on TV in Boston, but Sox fans still go to Fenway. And a rough economy hasnít kept people from indulging in other activities that arenít cheap Ė the ski slopes arenít exactly deserted during the winter, itís almost impossible to get a table without waiting at any decent restaurant in town and the movie business continues to set box office records.

So whatís the reason? I blame myself. Most specifically, I blame my generation.

I became a diehard fan of the local teams because it was instilled in me at an early age. My grandparents and parents lived and died with the Broncos, Buffs and Nuggets, and they took me to games to instill that same passion in me. But now that they are in their 80s and 60s, respectively, itís up to my generation to uphold that tradition, as well as pass it along to the next generation.

Obviously, we havenít done our job very well. Coloradoans in their 30s and 40s have become content to sit at home or partake in other events, and in the process, we havenít created the next wave of Denver fanatics. As a result, our hometown venues are under siege by people from Boston, Los Angeles, Pittsburgh and other cities.

Itís time to reverse the trend. As corny as it may sound, itís time to summon a little civic pride. Our reputation is at stake, as Denverís spot on the list of the best sports cities in America is in peril.

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tsiguy96
06-27-2010, 08:22 PM
this is happening to teams everywhere. people dont feel like a part of the team anymore, players and teams are so disconnected from the average fan, its crazy. i support them, but i realize they dont give a flying **** about me or what i think or what it costs me to go to a game to support them, they just want me for my money, its kind of disheartening to feel that way as a fan.

NFLBRONCO
06-27-2010, 08:26 PM
Diehards like the team great or bad. I think now though its more a when your on top or near the top you see the mania true in every sport though. I think its just the way society as a whole is now its sad. I live and die as a Bronco fan but, I have even changed its no longer life and death for me like it used to be. Just because I have changed over my life on how I handle outcome of games I do want the Broncos to remain a solid franchise. I know a few fans personally that don't watch every game now because we aren't a contender as soon as we are they will act diehard again. I never miss a game and never will. I do miss the old mania alot.

Archer81
06-27-2010, 08:27 PM
I blame immigration.


:Broncos:

SoCalBronco
06-27-2010, 08:27 PM
Denver fans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LA fans

NFLBRONCO
06-27-2010, 08:33 PM
We will have Tebow Mania

snowspot66
06-27-2010, 08:46 PM
Diehards like the team great or bad. I think now though its more a when your on top or near the top you see the mania true in every sport though. I think its just the way society as a whole is now its sad. I live and die as a Bronco fan but, I have even changed its no longer life and death for me like it used to be. Just because I have changed over my life on how I handle outcome of games I do want the Broncos to remain a solid franchise. I know a few fans personally that don't watch every game now because we aren't a contender as soon as we are they will act diehard again. I never miss a game and never will. I do miss the old mania alot.

I've seen plenty of people like that. I stop caring during the offseason and then the season comes around again and I can't not care. It's weird. I always feel like we can win it all even when I know we can't.

BigPlayShay
06-27-2010, 08:46 PM
It should be noted that the writer of this, James Merilatt, who is trying to get Denverites to show some civic pride did not re-new his Broncos Season Ticket this year, after selling the tickets to every game last year (not to Broncos fans specifically, but to whoever would buy them).

SoCalBronco
06-27-2010, 08:49 PM
It should be noted that the writer of this, James Merilatt, who is trying to get Denverites to show some civic pride did not re-new his Broncos Season Ticket this year, after selling the tickets to every game last year (not to Broncos fans specifically, but to whoever would buy them).

Didn't James Merilatt used to write for denverbroncos.com?

I'm almost totally sure he did.

DHallblows
06-27-2010, 08:56 PM
He needs to get off his high horse, it happens in literally every city

BigPlayShay
06-27-2010, 09:00 PM
Didn't James Merilatt used to write for denverbroncos.com?

I'm almost totally sure he did.

Wrote (writes?) for examiner.com: http://www.examiner.com/x-1178-Denver-Sports-Examiner?showbio. Don't recall him from denverbroncos.com.

Hogan11
06-27-2010, 09:59 PM
The reason? Simple: Fantasy leagues.

I know a lot of people who have totally given up following certain teams and now just follow whatever players they have on their fantasy team instead.

Weak sauce.

BigPlayShay
06-27-2010, 10:03 PM
The reason? Simple: Fantasy leagues.

I know a lot of people who have totally given up following certain teams and now just follow whatever players they have on their fantasy team.

Weak sauce.

That is exactly what the dude that wrote this article has said on the radio (he is on AM 1510). He doesn't like going to Broncos games because they don't show enough fantasy stats during the game. What a tool. I play fantasy football, but while I am at the game, I could care less what is going on with my team.

serious hops
06-27-2010, 10:09 PM
Clearly, Josh McDaniels is to blame.

footstepsfrom#27
06-27-2010, 10:09 PM
Who cares? ;D

Seriously though...the Yanks, Sox and Steelers are all franchises with both a history of winning as well as being current contenders. That has a lot to do with it, but so does the new stadium with its wine and cheese crowd. The old blue collar fan base that intimidated opposing teams was priced out when Denver moved into Invesco. Now they're reaping the rewards of that.

At least we still have the altitude...

Hogan11
06-27-2010, 10:12 PM
That is exactly what the dude that wrote this article has said on the radio (he is on AM 1510). He doesn't like going to Broncos games because they don't show enough fantasy stats during the game. What a tool. I play fantasy football, but while I am at the game, I could care less what is going on with my team.

It appears you're in the minority unfortunately.

Fantasy leagues have diminished loyality to franchises and have increased it to players. The shift is more evident now than ever before.

Vegas_Bronco
06-27-2010, 10:22 PM
2 straight seasons of nearing the playoffs and then falling out of the wagon on the last week in horrible fashion will kill a lot of mojo of all kinds. Also seeing some excellent players leave the team is never exciting. Marshall, imo, should be a Bronco with an excellent season. No, he's not the most mature, but he carried this team for 2 seasons. The new management has a way of saying one thing and then having another thing happen which really isn't good for fan or player. Although we know they are conservative, we like to get excited about a new signing or a risk and that isn't happening at all in 2 season. Pat also needs to hire a CEO that knows what he's doing and isn't afraid to jump in front of the media for an interview once in a while. I've heard from Xanders twice in 2 years - not good and I've already learned not to trust McD. He says one thing and 4 weeks later we see another problem that is the exact opposite of what he's quoted with. I may be a punk, but the message from Broncos Camp is that we aren't doing anything at all to keep our players here or happy and they have no clue whether they'll be here or not the next season. A fickle team is a result of fickle management. I like consistency and clarity as do most people.

I'll give a little more civic pride when I feel like the players have some on the field and finish a game....until then the fan will not relate to the team. I think you saw this team capable of doing great things when we beat the Patriots and Cowboys last season and likewise the fanbase jumped on this run. But, we lost it at the end when it mattered the most. Bronco fans aren't use to being the one's to set the pace and lose...we've always shown grit and determination to come from behind or win when the elements are against us...we just haven't seen much of that in years.

I have really grown to not like fantasy football. Personally, I'd rather play madden.

Natedogg
06-27-2010, 10:22 PM
Honestly, part of it is the strict new rules at the new stadiums. (Text tattling, more security guards). Back in the day it was not strange at all for opposing fans to get beers dumped on them, kept in line, etc etc.

Not the case anymore. Sad imo.

broncocalijohn
06-27-2010, 10:37 PM
Denver fans >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> LA fans

Dont kid yourself. It is happening all over. Montrose, you have a huge region that doesnt have American League baseball. Closest is Anaheim and Arlington with the Rangers. They find out that their favorite team is playing closer to home in Denver. Add the fact that Denver is a great place to visit and families can travel during the school break. With the invention (thanks Gore) of the internet, you can sell tickets yourself or use a third party system like stubhub. Add the fact that people are broke but want to hold onto their season tickets, they probably will sell the higher end tickets (IE Red Sox) and go to a regular game like the Giants or Padres. I would love to go to more Broncos games but my budget doesnt allow me to hit more than one or two games (maybe add a playoff game if one would finally hit Denver). Denver is no longer the Cow Town where no one visits and just the locals and region have nothing else to do but watch Broncos footballs. Be happy that the area has so much to offer as it is important for economics. Not everything is football even though a good portion of everyone's life should be.

TheReverend
06-28-2010, 03:58 AM
How dare you call Denver fans a 6

montrose
06-28-2010, 06:06 AM
To the arguement that fans aren't coming out because the teams haven't been winning, Steelers fans took over Invesco Field for the AFC Title Game, Lakers fans took over the Pepsi Center for the Western Conference Finals and Red Sox fans took over Coors Field for the World Series - so I don't think that argument holds up.

All the factors he listed - TV, transplant city, economy, etc. certainly make a difference but the point he made is that this would NEVER happen in New York, Boston, Philly or Chicago - and I agree with him. We, fans on message boards, are true hardcore fans - but Denver as a whole is not a sports town anymore. I just don't know exactly why.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-28-2010, 06:18 AM
That is exactly what the dude that wrote this article has said on the radio (he is on AM 1510). He doesn't like going to Broncos games because they don't show enough fantasy stats during the game. What a tool. I play fantasy football, but while I am at the game, I could care less what is going on with my team.

Jeez. They show fantasy stats for most of the game, and who doesn't own a cell phone at this point with web access?

MaloCS
06-28-2010, 08:56 AM
Oh how I agree. I was at the opening Red Sox game on Wednesday and it was embarrassing to see all of the Red Sox fans there. It wasn't the fact that there were fans cheering for the team but rather, the fact that they would stand up and point their fingers at Rockies fans when the Red Sox did something good.

I'm 38 and grew up at a Mile High Stadium that was always orange to the rafters. I remember opposing fans getting beer tossed on their heads if they got too rambunctious. The feeling I always had was that it was expected, if you were at the game, that you were a die hard Broncos fan. Anything less, would result in a severe tongue lashing if not a nice, cool, hops and barley shower; especially if one was talking **** and being too loud.

Today, we get outsiders talking so much trash to hometown fans it's comedic. The true Broncos fans have lost their spine and allowed outsiders to infiltrate our stadiums. Even though this is the case I don't necessarily blame the fans because Bowlen has had a hand in this situation as well. From pricing out the average Joe to creating a wine and cheese atmosphere, Bowlen and the NFL have created a scenario where loyalty has been supplanted by profits.

I honestly believe that the owners would rather have "out of towners" and "one timers" at the games because this demographic tends to spend more money. The die hard, season ticket holder brings their own food and knows how to minimize their expenditures at the event. At least this is what I experienced while going to every home game as a season ticket holder.

It's just sad to see our home games populated with so many opposing team's fans. I don't know if these people live here or just traveled here but it's sickening none the less. I long for the days when being a season ticket holder meant something and the pride for the hometown team was second to none. I long for the days when the entire stadium was nothing but a sea of orange and the environment was very hostile for both the visiting players and fans.

orangemonkey
06-28-2010, 09:00 AM
Weak Denver economy, influx of east and west coast imports the past 20 years and Stubhub.com is what happened to the Denver fan base. The Broncos games are by far the worse though. Despite the Red Sox game, Rockies fans are pretty damn loyal. Fan mix at most Broncos games is a joke.

underrated29
06-28-2010, 09:03 AM
Blaming it on Fantasy is the biggest load of crap ever...


Like the guy said above, they do show stats at the game and everyone has a cell phone that they can pull up the info if needed. Or they wait the 4 hours as it wont make a difference anyway...


I never ever miss a bronco game. Ever. I am about as hardcore FF player there is out there. And while I may like a guy in FF. If he is not a bronco then I wont like him that much.

Beantown Bronco
06-28-2010, 09:04 AM
People don't dump beers any more because they cost like $10 a piece.

Rohirrim
06-28-2010, 09:04 AM
Winning cures everything.

enjolras
06-28-2010, 09:05 AM
Denver has become a destination city of sorts. It's the price you pay to move up to the level of city that Denver is rapidly becoming. Check this out:

We've beaten this to death. There are a couple of factors in play here.

1) Immigration: I live 3 miles from Downtown (Highlands). I would estimate less than 25% of my neighborhood is actually from Colorado. They love the place. They love the city. They love the state. They still love whatever teams they grew up with (mainly Eagles/Steelers from what I can tell). The point is that there are a LOT of folks living in this city who have no ties to the Broncos. This isn't the 80's anymore.

Check this out:

http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/04/migration-moving-wealthy-interactive-counties-map.html?preload=08031

2) The internet. Ticket scalping has become a stupidly big business. With the Internet and a bit of technology scalpers have become incredibly adept at gaming Ticketmaster. Add in places like stub-hub where season ticket holders essentially auction off their tickets and you have a problem.

When the Steelers (for instance) come to town you have a huge number of folks willing to pay well above face value for tickets (after all, they only want to go to one game a year). For Bronco fans it's a bit different. After all, we have 8 chances (soon to be 10) to see our team play every year. so it becomes self-selecting... those Steeler fans gobble up all of the overpriced tickets while us Bronco fans wait it out and see if those prices ever come back to earth. Ticket scalping is just plain evil...and yes I'm talking to the damn scalpers who populate this board. Screw you.

I used to do the same thing when I lived in Dallas. The Broncos fans where out in force on that thanksgiving day game in Dallas a few years back. We paid quite a bit for our tickets, but there was a LOT of orange at that game as well....

3) NFL Sunday Ticket: It used to be that when you moved you sort of assimilated to whatever team you where closest to. After all, that's all you got to see on TV. Now with the Internet and the broadcasting of every game across all of the sports leagues you don't have to. My dad lives in Arkansas but continues to be a die-hard Broncos fan.... it's easy, he gets to see every game.

Hogan11
06-28-2010, 09:11 AM
Blaming it on Fantasy is the biggest load of crap ever...


Like the guy said above, they do show stats at the game and everyone has a cell phone that they can pull up the info if needed. Or they wait the 4 hours as it wont make a difference anyway...


I never ever miss a bronco game. Ever. I am about as hardcore FF player there is out there. And while I may like a guy in FF. If he is not a bronco then I wont like him that much.

Many people have stopped supporting teams altogether and just root for whomever is on their FF teams. You combine that with Sunday ticket or even the games shown on plain old Network TV (which runs fantasy stats when running the scores) and it makes a huge difference.

Hogan11
06-28-2010, 09:12 AM
People don't dump beers any more because they cost like $10 a piece.

That's stupid **** anyways. Anyone doing that deserves to be exited from the stadium by using their face to open the gate.

broncswin
06-28-2010, 09:19 AM
I have had many fights with the wife because I wont miss a game..sometimes I have to miss a few birthday parties or play dates with other kids...but there is no way I will miss a broncos game...she has come to realize this and no longer tries. Don't get me wrong she loves the Broncos and is die hard herself, but she has those motherly obligations to fill with those events. LOL

So yes, I do not like fair weathers fans in the least!!

broncosteven
06-28-2010, 09:23 AM
To the arguement that fans aren't coming out because the teams haven't been winning, Steelers fans took over Invesco Field for the AFC Title Game, Lakers fans took over the Pepsi Center for the Western Conference Finals and Red Sox fans took over Coors Field for the World Series - so I don't think that argument holds up.

All the factors he listed - TV, transplant city, economy, etc. certainly make a difference but the point he made is that this would NEVER happen in New York, Boston, Philly or Chicago - and I agree with him. We, fans on message boards, are true hardcore fans - but Denver as a whole is not a sports town anymore. I just don't know exactly why.

Have you been to a Cub Cardinals game? Card jerseys are all over the place!

Or a White Sox NY game in Chicago, NY Jerseys all over. I am seeing opposition jerseys at Yankees vs Red Sox games all the time now.

The Hawks Philly Cup series had jerseys from both teams in the stands of all the games.

Bears fans complain about rival fans taking the stadium over also, among other things.

The "Maina" really only happens once Bronco fans (like me) loved the pre winning teams for their effort or a few favorite players or for effort because they were ours and that was all we had at the time but once that 1st taste of success was experienced it was like chasing the dragon and fans expected more and more. When I was a kid we were happy if the Broncos went 7-7 or 7-6-1 now it is hard to get excited for a playoff team let alone a rebuilding team.

It happens EVERYWHERE! People can stay in touch with the teams they grew up on with the InTeRWEbs and satellite packages. Raider fans are not forced to become Bronco fans anymore because they cannot get raider games in Denver.

Get over it the genie is out of the bottle.

baja
06-28-2010, 09:28 AM
I blame it on women's lib and the resulting generations of wimpish men

bronco militia
06-28-2010, 09:33 AM
it doesn't help when players are traded when ever they ask.

boltaneer
06-28-2010, 09:36 AM
Fantasy football is a big reason why fans are more fans of the NFL in general, rather than just one team. NFL Ticket and NFL Red Zone probably have more FF consumers than just die-hard fans of one team. And if your team sucks in a particular year, it's easy to keep interest in the NFL through fantasy football.

Fantasy football, NFL.com, Sirius NFL radio, NFL Network, NFL Ticket, NFL Red Zone, and all the other football sites that have popped up. It's all forms of media that gives us information not just about our local team but of the entire NFL. Maybe some people just don't realize it but they're getting a lot of information thrown at them, compared to 10-15 years ago when all you could do is pretty much just get info from your local sports radio and local paper. I follow just about all of these forms of media and I can tell you what's going on with every team to a pretty good degree. Ten years ago, I might have just known what's going on with the Chargers and bits and pieces of the rest of the AFC West.

bronco militia
06-28-2010, 09:41 AM
Fantasy football is a big reason why fans are more fans of the NFL in general, rather than just one team. NFL Ticket and NFL Red Zone probably have more FF consumers than just die-hard fans of one team. And if your team sucks in a particular year, it's easy to keep interest in the NFL through fantasy football.

Fantasy football, NFL.com, Sirius NFL radio, NFL Network, NFL Ticket, NFL Red Zone, and all the other football sites that have popped up. It's all forms of media that gives us information not just about our local team but of the entire NFL. Maybe some people just don't realize it but they're getting a lot of information thrown at them, compared to 10-15 years ago when all you could do is pretty much just get info from your local sports radio and local paper. I follow just about all of these forms of media and I can tell you what's going on with every team to a pretty good degree. Ten years ago, I might have just known what's going on with the Chargers and bits and pieces of the rest of the AFC West.

this is true...it's never been easier to be a sports fan.

RunSilentRunDeep
06-28-2010, 09:45 AM
It's a sheer population and money game. New York fans aren't better, they're a just millions more of them (with bigger salaries) all trying to get into a stadium the same size as all the other smaller markets.

And people that sell their season tickets aren't purposely selling them to "other fans," they're selling them to the first person that meets their asking price.

I live in D.C., and for years I've seen Cowboy fans "take over" Fed Ex Field. There's still plenty of Redskin fans, but to pay hundreds of dollars in a bad economy when you're team sucks is tough for some to do. Also, with unemployment higher everywhere, many longtime season ticket holders are out of work and selling tickets is a way to earn extra cash and still have your seats when things are looking up again.

The fantasy sports argument is stupid. Marketing research show fantasy players attend games at higher rates then non-playing fans.

Kaylore
06-28-2010, 09:45 AM
Denver has become a destination city of sorts. It's the price you pay to move up to the level of city that Denver is rapidly becoming. Check this out:

We've beaten this to death. There are a couple of factors in play here.

1) Immigration: I live 3 miles from Downtown (Highlands). I would estimate less than 25% of my neighborhood is actually from Colorado. They love the place. They love the city. They love the state. They still love whatever teams they grew up with (mainly Eagles/Steelers from what I can tell). The point is that there are a LOT of folks living in this city who have no ties to the Broncos. This isn't the 80's anymore.

Check this out:

http://www.forbes.com/2010/06/04/migration-moving-wealthy-interactive-counties-map.html?preload=08031

2) The internet. Ticket scalping has become a stupidly big business. With the Internet and a bit of technology scalpers have become incredibly adept at gaming Ticketmaster. Add in places like stub-hub where season ticket holders essentially auction off their tickets and you have a problem.

When the Steelers (for instance) come to town you have a huge number of folks willing to pay well above face value for tickets (after all, they only want to go to one game a year). For Bronco fans it's a bit different. After all, we have 8 chances (soon to be 10) to see our team play every year. so it becomes self-selecting... those Steeler fans gobble up all of the overpriced tickets while us Bronco fans wait it out and see if those prices ever come back to earth. Ticket scalping is just plain evil...and yes I'm talking to the damn scalpers who populate this board. Screw you.

I used to do the same thing when I lived in Dallas. The Broncos fans where out in force on that thanksgiving day game in Dallas a few years back. We paid quite a bit for our tickets, but there was a LOT of orange at that game as well....

3) NFL Sunday Ticket: It used to be that when you moved you sort of assimilated to whatever team you where closest to. After all, that's all you got to see on TV. Now with the Internet and the broadcasting of every game across all of the sports leagues you don't have to. My dad lives in Arkansas but continues to be a die-hard Broncos fan.... it's easy, he gets to see every game.

Great post.

This is the truth. The secret is getting out about Colorado (More sunshine days a year than California and Florida. Great downtown scene, strong singles scene, lots to do in the mountains and down here in the city.) After this census there's a strong possibility that we're going to be getting another representative. The fact is a lot of people are moving in and that means a lot of transplant fans. It's just the way of things. In twenty years if it slows the generation of people born here will grow up as fans of the local teams. Also a lot of people bandwagon onto winning franchises so if we start winning, things will be fine.

I'm not worried about this.

underrated29
06-28-2010, 10:07 AM
Many people have stopped supporting teams altogether and just root for whomever is on their FF teams. You combine that with Sunday ticket or even the games shown on plain old Network TV (which runs fantasy stats when running the scores) and it makes a huge difference.



I dont buy that...Not saying that I do not believe you, but I would like to see some established reports/results on this...

I am sure it does happen, but I doubt that is majority.


The rest though, NFLN, Ticket etc....I agree, they have hit the whole market and now it is almost impossible NOT to get info on other teams and players. Even if you do not want too. So I agree that that saturates things a bit.

kcbroncofan
06-28-2010, 10:09 AM
People have been complaining about the same thing here in KC for years. Nothing unique to Denver. You should see Kaufman when the Cards are in town. Embarassing.

Homer Simpson
06-28-2010, 10:23 AM
When the Steelers (for instance) come to town you have a huge number of folks willing to pay well above face value for tickets (after all, they only want to go to one game a year). For Bronco fans it's a bit different. After all, we have 8 chances (soon to be 10) to see our team play every year. so it becomes self-selecting... those Steeler fans gobble up all of the overpriced tickets while us Bronco fans wait it out and see if those prices ever come back to earth. Ticket scalping is just plain evil...and yes I'm talking to the damn scalpers who populate this board. Screw you.



I'm looking forward to the playoffs this year too! :yayaya:

Florida_Bronco
06-28-2010, 10:31 AM
The reason? Simple: Fantasy leagues.

I know a lot of people who have totally given up following certain teams and now just follow whatever players they have on their fantasy team instead.

Weak sauce.

Fantasy football is the anti-christ.

gtown
06-28-2010, 11:09 AM
It's all about success. I had Orioles season tickets for years and when the Red Sox came to town, it was just the team and a few transplants. Then they won the WS and all the Pink Sox who might have had an aunt or distant cousin living in New England, would show up for the games.

Living in DC, no one used to watch the Capitals play until these past two years when they have been one of, if not the, best team in the league. I'll admit I jumped on that bandwagon after trying to watch the Avs in vain via the dish for years.

Success breeds followers. And the Denver sports franchises (the Broncos in particular) haven't had much since the late 90s.

RhymesayersDU
06-28-2010, 11:36 AM
Disagree with the fantasy league argument, and I'm going to use a "guns don't kill people, people kill people" argument.

Hundreds of thousands of people play fantasy sports, and not all of them have ditched their teams. Heck, we have a FF Forum n this board and we still have many die hard fans. I'm in two fantasy leagues, I'm pessimistic on our chances, and I just paid for my first year of season tickets!

My point is, if it wasn't fantasy sports then it would be losing/not making the playoffs. If it wasn't that, it would be because X player was a fan favorite and got cut. If not that, then other stuff. Etc. Anybody who would ditch their teams on a whim were never good fans to begin with. Fantady football isn't some demon that possesses great fans and turns them satanic. If anything, it exposes fairweather fans for what they are.

broncocalijohn
06-28-2010, 01:38 PM
People have been complaining about the same thing here in KC for years. Nothing unique to Denver. You should see Kaufman when the Cards are in town. Embarassing.

i just did but we are talking a huge fan base with a team that wins (Cards) and a team that wont spend money for years (Royals).

Kaylore
06-28-2010, 02:32 PM
Yeah I don't buy the fantasy football argument either. Mainly because your team has players from at least half the teams in the league so it doesn't create fans of any one team. It does create some weird dynamics when one of your players you have plays against your team, but team wins and loses don't matter much in fantasy and so don't affect your opinion of the outcome of games so long as your player does well.

It's not like those Steeler fans just happened to be guys with the Steeler defense in fantasy. Fantasy has nothing to do with it. It's all bandwagon fans and that Denver is a great place to visit and there are a lot of transplants so visiting fans pay who visit will pay more to go to the game than locals, and a lot of locals are transplants.

I know several people who can make back the entire cost of their season tickets on one Steeler game/fan.

Tombstone RJ
06-28-2010, 05:16 PM
To the arguement that fans aren't coming out because the teams haven't been winning, Steelers fans took over Invesco Field for the AFC Title Game, Lakers fans took over the Pepsi Center for the Western Conference Finals and Red Sox fans took over Coors Field for the World Series - so I don't think that argument holds up.

All the factors he listed - TV, transplant city, economy, etc. certainly make a difference but the point he made is that this would NEVER happen in New York, Boston, Philly or Chicago - and I agree with him. We, fans on message boards, are true hardcore fans - but Denver as a whole is not a sports town anymore. I just don't know exactly why.

Denver is a transplant town and everyone who lives there is from some where else. It's a big city by rocky mountain standards but it's a small metropolis compared to NY, Boston, Philly or Chicago when talking about total population and suburbs. Hence, tranpslants outnumber true natives by a large margin.

I hate it. I hate what the fans of Denver have become (transplant fairweather morons). I drives me crazy but there's nothing anyone can do about it.