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SportinOne
06-27-2010, 02:12 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/chicago/nba/news/story?id=5333896

An NBA executive says the Chicago Bulls have emerged as a favorite in the free agency sweepstakes for LeBron James, along with Chris Bosh, The New York Times reported on Sunday.

The executive said he had gleaned from his discussions with other league executives that James is leaning toward joining the Bulls, along with Bosh, his teammate on the United States' gold medal-winning 2008 Olympic team. The Times reported the executive did not want to be named because he was discussing a player who was not yet a free agent.

"I think it's a done deal," the executive said, according to the report.

James' friend and business partner Maverick Carter told ESPN The Magazine's Chris Broussard that James will have would-be suitors visit him in his native Ohio, rather than embark upon a barnstorming tour of cities hoping to land the two-time MVP. Free agency officially starts at 12:01 a.m. ET on Thursday.

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"LeBron is not going on a tour," Carter said. "He never planned to go on a tour and has not been a part of any team's plans for a recruiting trip."

Teams including the New York Knicks, New Jersey Nets, Miami Heat and Los Angeles Clippers are in the hunt for James, along with the Cleveland Cavaliers, the only team he has played for in his seven-year NBA career. Fans in Cleveland and cities hoping to woo James have already made high-profile pushes for his services.

But the NBA executive said he believed James would meet with those teams as a courtesy, out of consideration for the overtures and personnel moves they have made to clear salary cap in hopes of signing James, The Times reported.

Sources said various teams were made aware of James' anti-tour stance Wednesday. The Knicks -- who, according to the Cleveland Plain Dealer, were planning a spectacular, celebrity-laden dinner cooked by a world-renowned chef for James on July 1 -- quickly canceled it and began drafting an alternate plan, according to two sources.

While several teams had hoped to sell James on the non-basketball advantages of their cities, it's believed that James wants to keep the focus on basketball. The executive quoted by the Times also said that James wanted to keep the focus on the game.

"He is going to make a basketball decision, so all that is unnecessary," the executive said, according to The Times. "He just saved a lot of people a lot of money."

SportinOne
06-27-2010, 02:15 PM
Good for Chicago, good for the midwest, and wow what a team that is going to be. On paper at least...

FADERPROOF
06-27-2010, 02:20 PM
I'll believe it when I see it, but if that happens then LeBron will take the place of Elway, Jordan, Bradshaw as biggest sports enemy in Cleveland.

SoCalBronco
06-27-2010, 02:23 PM
I'll believe it when I see it, but if that happens then LeBron will take the place of Elway, Jordan, Bradshaw as biggest sports enemy in Cleveland.

Deep breaths, Pat..deep breaths. :)

Gcver2ver3
06-27-2010, 02:24 PM
i will believe it when i see it...

i've also heard rumors that chris bosh to miami is "a done deal"...

http://basketball.realgm.com/src_wiretap_archives/67488/20100627/gm_bosh_going_to_miami_planned_for_a_long_time/

with that said...if the bulls did get lebron and bosh...wow...

Requiem
06-27-2010, 02:25 PM
I hope LeBron leaves Cleveland. Let that city die. Not a sports team with a damn. Cavaliers always sucked. Indians haven't been good in forever. Browns? Good Lord. Who let them come back into the NFL?

Get off the sinking ship. That town missed it back during the train and canal boom in late 19th to early 20th century and fell completely off the map. Let it erode. Ohio sucks.

FADERPROOF
06-27-2010, 02:26 PM
Deep breaths, Pat..deep breaths. :)

its ok, if he leaves for Chicago then he will show his true coward and admit that the weight was on his shoulders in cleveland and he folded up like a cheap accordian.

FADERPROOF
06-27-2010, 02:29 PM
This just in...

ESPN reporting that LeBron James is set to retire on June 30th rather than become a Free Agent, citing his desire to spend time with his family.

SoCalBronco
06-27-2010, 02:30 PM
its ok, if he leaves for Chicago then he will show his true coward and admit that the weight was on his shoulders in cleveland and he folded up like a cheap accordian.

I'm not sure how leaving Cleveland would show he's a coward. He's a UFA. He's not obligated to stay anywhere. I suppose it would be nice for the fans, but there's really no obligation, there. He should go whereever he feels is best for him. If its Cleveland, then he should stay there. If somewhere else, then he should go there. I don't think Lebron owes the city anything. He's given them alot more than they've given him.

oubronco
06-27-2010, 02:32 PM
I still believe he'll stay in Cleveland where he can make the most money

Requiem
06-27-2010, 02:32 PM
LeBron is coming to Denver to play tight end for the Broncos.

Killericon
06-27-2010, 02:33 PM
Well, I guess it's Andrea Bargnani's team now...

/wrists

Requiem
06-27-2010, 02:33 PM
I still believe he'll stay in Cleveland where he can make the most money

Which would be stupid. If he really cared about championships and winning, he and another one of these guys would go to a team and get less money to be surrounded by better players.

FADERPROOF
06-27-2010, 02:35 PM
I'm not sure how leaving Cleveland would show he's a coward. He's a UFA. He's not obligated to stay anywhere. I suppose it would be nice for the fans, but there's really no obligation, there. He should go whereever he feels is best for him. If its Cleveland, then he should stay there. If somewhere else, then he should go there. I don't think Lebron owes the city anything. He's given them alot more than they've given him.

His always said his goal is to win a title here in Cleveland, and hes choked at doing that. He'll show how much of a coward he is by basically saying he couldn't get the job done so I'm out of here."

FADERPROOF
06-27-2010, 02:38 PM
Which would be stupid. If he really cared about championships and winning, he and another one of these guys would go to a team and get less money to be surrounded by better players.

Yeah cause the Cavs havent done anything to make the team better at all over the years...

broncswin
06-27-2010, 02:40 PM
screw chicago and there dumba$$ teams...JMO

SonOfLe-loLang
06-27-2010, 02:41 PM
If Bosh and James go to Chicago, itll go a long way to killing my interest in the NBA.

Houshyamama
06-27-2010, 02:42 PM
His always said his goal is to win a title here in Cleveland, and hes choked at doing that. He'll show how much of a coward he is by basically saying he couldn't get the job done so I'm out of here."

The team they built around Lebron was a joke.

SonOfLe-loLang
06-27-2010, 02:42 PM
I hope LeBron leaves Cleveland. Let that city die. Not a sports team with a damn. Cavaliers always sucked. Indians haven't been good in forever. Browns? Good Lord. Who let them come back into the NFL?

Get off the sinking ship. That town missed it back during the train and canal boom in late 19th to early 20th century and fell completely off the map. Let it erode. Ohio sucks.

While the tribe sucks now, they were just in the ALCS three years ago

FADERPROOF
06-27-2010, 02:45 PM
The team they built around Lebron was a joke.

I agree since they couldnt finish better than having the best record in the entire NBA the last 2 seasons.

Natedogg
06-27-2010, 02:45 PM
LeBron is coming to Denver to play tight end for the Broncos.

Figures. Just what we need. Another "McDaniels guy." This team is going down the ****ter.

NFLBRONCO
06-27-2010, 02:51 PM
Lebron in MJ's shadow sweet enjoy

oubronco
06-27-2010, 02:52 PM
Which would be stupid. If he really cared about championships and winning, he and another one of these guys would go to a team and get less money to be surrounded by better players.

They have tried to build a team around him to win a championship but it hasn't worked if they lock him up who's to sat Bosh won't go to Cleveland

And it is ALWAYS about the money ALWAYS

Houshyamama
06-27-2010, 02:53 PM
I agree since they couldnt finish better than having the best record in the entire NBA the last 2 seasons.

Oh come on dude. I'm no Cleveland hater, I've watched a bunch of their games over the last few seasons and that team was almost all Lebron. As soon as it left his hands the team's number 1 priority was to get it back there so he could make a play. He needs serious help to win a championship, every great player does.

Mo Williams?
****ing Varejao??
Delonte West?

That team was Lebron + a lot of overpaid role players.

It was always destined to fail on the big stage.

FADERPROOF
06-27-2010, 02:58 PM
Oh come on dude. I'm no Cleveland hater, I've watched a bunch of their games over the last few seasons and that team was almost all Lebron. As soon as it left his hands the team's number 1 priority was to get it back there so he could make a play. He needs serious help to win a championship, every great player does.

Mo Williams?
****ing Varejao??
Delonte West?

That team was Lebron + a lot of overpaid role players.

It was always destined to fail on the big stage.

It wasn't, unless LeBron failed on the big stage...which is what happened this year.

A team that wins over 60 games is not all one player, and every year the cavs have made trades and signed free agents to improve instead of just sitting on their hands and doing nothing.

Cavs are a team that is constantly trying to win, and he can make the most money here.

cutthemdown
06-27-2010, 03:01 PM
They would be really good. Would totally screw the other teams in the East trying to build up.

titan
06-27-2010, 03:03 PM
I still believe he'll stay in Cleveland where he can make the most money

If it's a money decision he'd go to New York where any difference in salary would be more than made up with endorsement deals.

These Chicago rumors seem to make sense - he could make more in endorsements than if he stayed in Cleveland and he'd be on a great basketball team (with Bosh) too. New York is just too far away from being competitive to have much appeal to Lebron.

Killericon
06-27-2010, 03:05 PM
Am I the only one who cares about Toronto in this? To a much smaller degree, we're getting shafted the same way here. Of course, people probably expect that to happen to Toronto.

epicSocialism4tw
06-27-2010, 03:06 PM
If Bosh and James go to Chicago, itll go a long way to killing my interest in the NBA.

The whole idea of leaving fans in the lurch to collude with another player who is leaving their fans in the lurch to join in with a team in a cool city (because the last city and their people werent cool enough) is really a turn off. These guys want to take the easy route when players like Michael Jordan, Olajuwon, Bird, Russell, etc all changed the history of their franchises and earned the love of the fans in the right way...by blazing new trails with the fans that were with them from the get go.

Yet another reason to dislike the NBA. It has become an athletes culture that values laziness and the glamour lifestyle over competition.

LeBron James and Chris Bosh are both guys who couldnt cut it in carrying their own franchises. Hopefully they'll be remembered that way...as they really are.

epicSocialism4tw
06-27-2010, 03:09 PM
Am I the only one who cares about Toronto in this? To a much smaller degree, we're getting shafted the same way here. Of course, people probably expect that to happen to Toronto.

Canadians dont matter.











(Just kidding ;D )

Toronto will be best served by drafting and signing international stars only. The lazy American players wont put in the effort there because the NBA party lifestyle isnt as good there.

They need to become the hub of international basketball in the NBA.

Houshyamama
06-27-2010, 03:09 PM
It wasn't, unless LeBron failed on the big stage...which is what happened this year.

A team that wins over 60 games is not all one player, and every year the cavs have made trades and signed free agents to improve instead of just sitting on their hands and doing nothing.

Cavs are a team that is constantly trying to win, and he can make the most money here.

I can't agree bro. There wasn't even one player who could consistently take the pressure off of Lebron if he was having an off night. That team went as Lebron went, which is not a recipe for success in the playoffs which is why they always folded. You can't put that much pressure on one guy, I don't care who he is. Jordan had Pippen. Kobe had Shaq and Gasol. Duncan had Parker/Ginobili. An NBA champion needs more than one great player. Hell, Boston needed THREE.

Regular season success means nothing in the playoffs.

FADERPROOF
06-27-2010, 03:19 PM
I can't agree bro. There wasn't even one player who could consistently take the pressure off of Lebron if he was having an off night. That team went as Lebron went, which is not a recipe for success in the playoffs which is why they always folded. You can't put that much pressure on one guy, I don't care who he is. Jordan had Pippen. Kobe had Shaq and Gasol. Duncan had Parker/Ginobili. An NBA champion needs more than one great player. Hell, Boston needed THREE.

Regular season success means nothing in the playoffs.

Regular season is different, but in the playoffs LeBron having an off night isnt acceptable. Game 5 and 6 against Boston was terrible, and Mo Williams even put 20 points in the 1st half in that game 6 while LeBron didn't show up.

They grabbed Antwan Jamison, and have consistently shown that they are willing to make deals to better the team. Who's to say the cavs won't go after Bosh as well, or a sign and trade with the Suns for Amare, Cleveland has proen to LeBron that they are interesting in winning and building that championship team around him, and he can win here if he chooses to stay.

Houshyamama
06-27-2010, 03:23 PM
Regular season is different, but in the playoffs LeBron having an off night isnt acceptable. Game 5 and 6 against Boston was terrible, and Mo Williams even put 20 points in the 1st half in that game 6 while LeBron didn't show up.

They grabbed Antwan Jamison, and have consistently shown that they are willing to make deals to better the team. Who's to say the cavs won't go after Bosh as well, or a sign and trade with the Suns for Amare, Cleveland has proen to LeBron that they are interesting in winning and building that championship team around him, and he can win here if he chooses to stay.

Dude, having an off night does nothing other than show he's human. Every great player has off nights and if you don't surround him with other players who can pick up the slack, that team will be destined to fail. Name me one team that won a championship with one great player surrounded by role players... none come to mind. I'm not saying it can never happen, but to put that much pressure on one person will result in an early playoff exit more often than not. It's just not a good strategy. Personally, I think the team they built around him was mediocre at best.

epicSocialism4tw
06-27-2010, 03:25 PM
Dude, having an off night does nothing other than show he's human. Every great player has off nights and if you don't surround him with other players who can pick up the slack, that team will be destined to fail. Name me one team that won a championship with one great player surrounded by role players... none come to mind. I'm not saying it can never happen, but to put that much pressure on one person will result in an early playoff exit more often than not. It's just not a good strategy. Personally, I think the team they built around him was mediocre at best.

Houston Rockets.

And ironically, Olajuwon isnt mentioned in the same sentance by most people who rank the best players in the game, though he was arguably the best of them all.

Gcver2ver3
06-27-2010, 03:26 PM
Regular season is different, but in the playoffs LeBron having an off night isnt acceptable. Game 5 and 6 against Boston was terrible, and Mo Williams even put 20 points in the 1st half in that game 6 while LeBron didn't show up.

They grabbed Antwan Jamison, and have consistently shown that they are willing to make deals to better the team. Who's to say the cavs won't go after Bosh as well, or a sign and trade with the Suns for Amare, Cleveland has proen to LeBron that they are interesting in winning and building that championship team around him, and he can win here if he chooses to stay.

on no other team in the nba would mo williams be the 2nd best player on the team...no disrespect to williams...he's a good shooter and all...but only on the cavs would mo williams be the 2nd best player...not even on the nets...

lebron is a great player, but once the playoffs start, you need a lot more than what he had to win...it became painfully obvious to him in this last playoffs...

Houshyamama
06-27-2010, 03:30 PM
Houston Rockets.

And ironically, Olajuwon isnt mentioned in the same sentance by most people who rank the best players in the game, though he was arguably the best of them all.

Fair enough. My point is that it is a very rare occurrence and is a poor strategy. GREAT for marketing, goes along with his whole "King James" persona... but not the best strategy for winning a championship.

Houshyamama
06-27-2010, 03:31 PM
If it's a money decision he'd go to New York where any difference in salary would be more than made up with endorsement deals.

These Chicago rumors seem to make sense - he could make more in endorsements than if he stayed in Cleveland and he'd be on a great basketball team (with Bosh) too. New York is just too far away from being competitive to have much appeal to Lebron.

James
Bosh
Rose
Noah

thats crazy on paper

Cmac821
06-27-2010, 03:33 PM
I hate lebron, he has ruined espn (like it needed help). They show nothing but his highlights and at the end they sneak in the phrase "the cavs lost the game". I hope he never wins a championship, but he has the refs on his side so that should help.

epicSocialism4tw
06-27-2010, 03:44 PM
James
Bosh
Rose
Noah

thats crazy on paper

Even crazier?

Rose
James
Deng
Bosh
Noah

RhymesayersDU
06-27-2010, 04:08 PM
Regular season is different, but in the playoffs LeBron having an off night isnt acceptable. Game 5 and 6 against Boston was terrible, and Mo Williams even put 20 points in the 1st half in that game 6 while LeBron didn't show up.

They grabbed Antwan Jamison, and have consistently shown that they are willing to make deals to better the team. Who's to say the cavs won't go after Bosh as well, or a sign and trade with the Suns for Amare, Cleveland has proen to LeBron that they are interesting in winning and building that championship team around him, and he can win here if he chooses to stay.

Bitter ex-girlfriend syndrome already setting in. Very cute. I can't wait to read all the "You know, LeBron wasn't really that good" comments are Clevelanders burn their jerseys anf Witness t-shirts.

Cleveland has proven one thing: That they're willing to try and win. The keyword is try. They tried no doubt, and failed miserably. They've thrown money at bad players and have now hamstrung themselves financially. Every personnell move they've made since drafting LeBron has been moronic. Period. And now they're out of moves. But hey it's. LeBron's fauly because he's a coward. Hilarious.

epicSocialism4tw
06-27-2010, 04:22 PM
Bitter ex-girlfriend syndrome already setting in. Very cute. I can't wait to read all the "You know, LeBron wasn't really that good" comments are Clevelanders burn their jerseys anf Witness t-shirts.

Cleveland has proven one thing: That they're willing to try and win. The keyword is try. They tried no doubt, and failed miserably. They've thrown money at bad players and have now hamstrung themselves financially. Every personnell move they've made since drafting LeBron has been moronic. Period. And now they're out of moves. But hey it's. LeBron's fauly because he's a coward. Hilarious.

Speaking of bitter ex-girlfriend, there was talk on a local radio show last week about how LeBron James has burned a bunch of bridges because he sleeps with his teammates' girlfriends. But that's not the best part of what they discussed on the show.

These guys said that its common knowlege among Cleveland's inner circle that the reason Cleveland has been trying to get rid of Delonte West is because James slept with West's girlfriend, and then West retaliated by sleeping with LeBron James' mom! :rofl: During the playoffs right before James crapped out on Cleveland! Ha!

Delonte West pwned LeBron.

http://www.boncherry.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2010/03/lebron-james-2008-2009-nba-mvp-1.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
06-27-2010, 04:26 PM
Calvin Murphy: LeBron James' Mom 'Absolutely' had sex with Delonte West:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/20/calvin-murphy-lebron-jame_n_583135.html

"Unfortunately, my sources in the NBA tell me that it's absolutely true. My sources, and they're legit, tell me that the only people that didn't know it was happening was LeBron and me."

Smilin Assassin
06-27-2010, 04:39 PM
I'll believe it when I see it, but if that happens then LeBron will take the place of Elway, Jordan, Bradshaw as biggest sports enemy in Cleveland.


You left Modell off the list. I think he trumps them all when it comes to enemy #1.

broncswin
06-27-2010, 04:50 PM
Calvin Murphy: LeBron James' Mom 'Absolutely' had sex with Delonte West:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/05/20/calvin-murphy-lebron-jame_n_583135.html

"Unfortunately, my sources in the NBA tell me that it's absolutely true. My sources, and they're legit, tell me that the only people that didn't know it was happening was LeBron and me."

that is f***ing hillarious...this just seems like it should happen to that POS...god, I never knew how much hatred I had for James:rofl:

bombay
06-27-2010, 04:56 PM
Smart move. Chicago immediately becomes the best team in the league.

gunns
06-27-2010, 05:02 PM
I agree since they couldnt finish better than having the best record in the entire NBA the last 2 seasons.

Kind of reminds you of San Diego.

All those enemies of Cleveland, Cleveland has no one to blame but themselves.

Rulon Velvet Jones
06-27-2010, 05:54 PM
Too bad there's only one ball to go around. I'm not a Laker fan, but they'd still present frontline matchup problems for the Bulls if those teams were to meet.

When did Joakim frickin' Noah become the 2nd coming of Bill Russell?

Killericon
06-27-2010, 05:57 PM
Canadians dont matter.











(Just kidding ;D )

Toronto will be best served by drafting and signing international stars only. The lazy American players wont put in the effort there because the NBA party lifestyle isnt as good there.

They need to become the hub of international basketball in the NBA.

Yes, this is true. But without Bosh our roster is nothing. NOTHING.

oubronco
06-27-2010, 06:05 PM
Smart move. Chicago immediately becomes the best team in the league.

The Lakers might have something to say about that

Gcver2ver3
06-27-2010, 06:14 PM
The Lakers might have something to say about that
yea right...

the lakers barely beat an old batter celtics team...took them 7 games...

if the bulls added lebron and bosh to that core..they would smash the lakers...

gyldenlove
06-27-2010, 06:20 PM
Yes, this is true. But without Bosh our roster is nothing. NOTHING.

Look at the bright side, at least you weren't a playoff team to begin with so the step down isn't too bad. Plus this way the team can continue to afford overpaying Hedo.

SoCalBronco
06-27-2010, 06:27 PM
Yes, this is true. But without Bosh our roster is nothing. NOTHING.

Yeah....but at least Kaner would have a new friend to hang out with.

There's always a silver lining for you. ;D

SoDak Bronco
06-27-2010, 06:32 PM
sucks hinrich won't be around to play with lebron. he's one of my favorite nba players. Bosh and Lebron to chi town will be epic, they will def. be the favorites in the east.

RhymesayersDU
06-27-2010, 06:59 PM
To emphasize my prior post, which you'll have to excuse the errors in as I was on my BlackBerry in the airport:

The Nuggets, after Carmelo's rookie season, didn't know what to do with themselves. They had this young star, made the playoffs out of nowhere, and wanted to really jump on getting a good team together. They wanted to prove to the fans and to their young star that they were committed to winning.

So what did they do? They panicked and did a sign-and-trade for Kenyon Martin, giving the guy a huge max contract and trading 2 or 3 first round picks for him. They followed that up with a trade for Iverson a couple years later. Although Iverson turned into Chauncey so a silver lining there. But the K-Mart deal was appalling. He was overpaid in dollars and tied up cap space, and those first round picks could have been used much better.

My point? My point is, that sure you could easily say that "The Nuggets are committed to winning." But what good is being committed if every move you make falls flat on its face? Why would LeBron want to stay with an organization that has traditionally failed in getting him help and has no coach to top it off? Spending money and spending money wisely are two very different things. If you were him, would you trust the front office to make smart moves going forward? I don't know that I would.

All you have to do is look to Kevin Garnett. He stayed loyal to Minnesota, and while it was admirable, it almost cost him his legacy. I'm not a huge KG fan, but realize that if he never got traded to Boston, his career retrospective looks vastly different. You'd remember things like "great, but never won the big game," etc. Now he's a World Champion. There's something to be said for that. This is how Hall of Fame resumes are made, etc.

epicSocialism4tw
06-27-2010, 07:28 PM
http://dimemag.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/delonte-west.jpg

epicSocialism4tw
06-27-2010, 07:31 PM
All you have to do is look to Kevin Garnett. He stayed loyal to Minnesota, and while it was admirable, it almost cost him his legacy. I'm not a huge KG fan, but realize that if he never got traded to Boston, his career retrospective looks vastly different. You'd remember things like "great, but never won the big game," etc. Now he's a World Champion. There's something to be said for that. This is how Hall of Fame resumes are made, etc.

Kevin Garnett tagging along with a couple of better players who carried his non-clutch butt through to a championship doesnt really make him a better player. It just fools doofuses into believing that he is.

RhymesayersDU
06-27-2010, 07:35 PM
Kevin Garnett tagging along with a couple of better players who carried his non-clutch butt through to a championship doesnt really make him a better player. It just fools doofuses into believing that he is.

I'm personally of the belief that all three of those guys were essential to the team. Pierce and Allen don't win it w/o KG, Pierce and Garnett don't win w/o Allen, etc. I believe that was the right trio at the right time and that they gelled perfectly. I think you're underestimating KG. Or to put it another way, even if KG isn't that good, he was the perfect fit for the team and situation. And there's something to be said to being an essential cog of an NBA championship team.

RhymesayersDU
06-27-2010, 07:36 PM
Wow, interesting tweet by Bill Simmons:

@sportsguy33 48 hrs ago: sportsbook.com had LeBron at +125 to sign w/ Bulls. Bosh was +300. Now? They're both -500. Hmmmmmm.

epicSocialism4tw
06-27-2010, 07:38 PM
I'm personally of the belief that all three of those guys were essential to the team. Pierce and Allen don't win it w/o KG, Pierce and Garnett don't win w/o Allen, etc. I believe that was the right trio at the right time and that they gelled perfectly. I think you're underestimating KG. Or to put it another way, even if KG isn't that good, he was the perfect fit for the team and situation. And there's something to be said to being an essential cog of an NBA championship team.

Speaking of Joakin Noah, Kevin Garnett had devolved into the Joakin Noah of those Celtics teams. Yes, Noah is important to Chicago too. He cant shake free to score a bucket though, and neither can Garnett. In fact, you literally want to avoid giving Garnett the ball in the clutch.

Gcver2ver3
06-27-2010, 08:01 PM
i keep hearing bosh is headed to miami...

RhymesayersDU
06-27-2010, 08:12 PM
i keep hearing bosh is headed to miami...

It's certainly going to be an arms race of sorts. Both teams loaded with cap space, and assuming Wade stays, he'll be attractive for other FA's.

I'm of the opinion that both LeBron and Wade will get help this summer. The question is who, obviously. Amar'e is out there as well. Bosh, Boozer I think, etc.

FADERPROOF
06-27-2010, 08:14 PM
Bitter ex-girlfriend syndrome already setting in. Very cute. I can't wait to read all the "You know, LeBron wasn't really that good" comments are Clevelanders burn their jerseys anf Witness t-shirts.

Cleveland has proven one thing: That they're willing to try and win. The keyword is try. They tried no doubt, and failed miserably. They've thrown money at bad players and have now hamstrung themselves financially. Every personnell move they've made since drafting LeBron has been moronic. Period. And now they're out of moves. But hey it's. LeBron's fauly because he's a coward. Hilarious.

Remember when pople could tolerate you here?

My criticism of LeBron has been well documented for a long while now, you can go check the NBA thread if you'd like to see it. But flame away man, make stuff up about me and put things I said in a twisting way.

You wouldn't consider LeBron leaving Cleveland as a coward act?

ZONA
06-27-2010, 08:14 PM
Good, I hope both Bosh and James go to East teams. The West is already packed solid with great teams and talent. We don't need anymore great players coming West.

epicSocialism4tw
06-27-2010, 08:19 PM
Remember when pople could tolerate you here?

My criticism of LeBron has been well documented for a long while now, you can go check the NBA thread if you'd like to see it. But flame away man, make stuff up about me and put things I said in a twisting way.

You wouldn't consider LeBron leaving Cleveland as a coward act?

After the flameouts that he has commandeered?

Absolutely.

Talk about leaving a sour taste in your fans' mouths.

Maybe you all should try to hook up with his mom too. Apparently its not that hard.

oubronco
06-27-2010, 08:29 PM
yea right...

the lakers barely beat an old batter celtics team...took them 7 games...

if the bulls added lebron and bosh to that core..they would smash the lakers...

Hilarious! Dream on

Inkana7
06-27-2010, 08:34 PM
I almost wish LeBron would leave, just because the ****storm that is going to hit him from the state of Ohio is going to be that huge. I will honestly hate the man if he leaves Cleveland.

RhymesayersDU
06-27-2010, 08:34 PM
Remember when pople could tolerate you here?

My criticism of LeBron has been well documented for a long while now, you can go check the NBA thread if you'd like to see it. But flame away man, make stuff up about me and put things I said in a twisting way.

You wouldn't consider LeBron leaving Cleveland as a coward act?

People still tolerate me. Just barely though.

I haven't made up anything. If you've been down on LeBron, then my bad. I guess I missed that. I kind of assumed that everybody in Cleveland thought he was a God, and with good reason. The guy is amazing.

And I wasn't necessarily flaming you personally, I just disagree with your argument. No, I wouldn't call it a coward act. The Cavs have no room to make any more deals or get better at all, they've proven that since his drafting that their front office is unable to put the right pieces around him, and it seems like they've hit the wall.

Now granted, I understand your frustration. How you go from the best record in the NBA to flaming out in the playoffs is a kick in the balls. I can appreciate your expectations, etc. But the Cavs don't have a coach, I don't even know if they have a GM, and they have a team that simply isn't great outside of LeBron.

I mean Atawn Jamison was supposed to be this big acquisition, he was supposed to be the Pippen. In that conference semifinals, the guy went for 12 & 7. Meanwhile, a gimpy, over-the-hill Garnett went for 19 & 8. I mean, maybe you could make the argument that the Celtics are really hitting the age wall, and that another year together with LBJ and Jamison as the two main pieces would work wonders. To be honest, I'd buy that argument. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt to really be able to gel with a full offseason under their belts.

Like I said originally. The Cleveland FO has indeed proven that it is in fact willing to try and compete. But it hasn't proven that they can put together a winning team. After all the personnel failures, I wouldn't trust my career with them. I truly would not. And you know me, you know I'm a Nuggets fan with no horse in this race. I don't have an agenda either way. Unless LeBron comes out West, this really doesn't effect me too much, since the Nuggies aren't making the Finals any time soon.

These guys have a limited time to play. We both know that. I don't fault any guy for doing what he truly believes is right for his career.

Gcver2ver3
06-27-2010, 08:43 PM
Hilarious! Dream on

lol, yeah okay....

bombay
06-27-2010, 09:04 PM
The Lakers might have something to say about that


lol

NFLBRONCO
06-27-2010, 09:14 PM
Wouldn't it make the NBA a better league if they combined all small market teams into a 2 or 4 teams in a bigger market city. Nuggets Cavs Minn etc can't keep superstars.

SonOfLe-loLang
06-27-2010, 09:36 PM
Hilarious! Dream on

I dont see how the Lakers would compete with that. That said, though im sure they'd figure it out because they are all great players, Rose and Bron are funny choices to play together considering, more and less, they have the same exact game. The offense runs through both of them...both are penetrate and kick guys. Both arent pure jump shooters. So what do you do? There's only one basketball...my guess is that Rose is marginalized a bit unless he becomes a more traditional PG or a dynamite spot up shooter. Bosh is a perfect pick to play with either, but I honestly think, and this is going to sound nuts, that Bosh and Bron should team up in NYC because of D'Antoni. They would be dynamite together with Gallo, Chandler, and Toney Douglas all being great jump shooters. Depth is a problem there, but its a better long term fit if you ask me.

Chicago doesnt have anything that even resembles a jump shooter. If Bron and Bosh do in fact come, they should unload Deng to get a spot up guy who can take advantage of the many wide open threes that will be coming.

epicSocialism4tw
06-27-2010, 09:40 PM
I dont see how the Lakers would compete with that. That said, though im sure they'd figure it out because they are all great players, Rose and Bron are funny choices to play together considering, more and less, they have the same exact game. The offense runs through both of them...both are penetrate and kick guys. Both arent pure jump shooters. So what do you do? There's only one basketball...my guess is that Rose is marginalized a bit unless he becomes a more traditional PG or a dynamite spot up shooter. Bosh is a perfect pick to play with either, but I honestly think, and this is going to sound nuts, that Bosh and Bron should team up in NYC because of D'Antoni. They would be dynamite together with Gallo, Chandler, and Toney Douglas all being great jump shooters. Depth is a problem there, but its a better long term fit if you ask me.

Chicago doesnt have anything that even resembles a jump shooter. If Bron and Bosh do in fact come, they should unload Deng to get a spot up guy who can take advantage of the many wide open threes that will be coming.

There's always Keith Van Horn.

eddie mac
06-28-2010, 03:15 AM
LeBron is coming to Denver to play tight end for the Broncos.


Balls. He's signing for West Ham United. Some Washington reporter said so.

FADERPROOF
06-28-2010, 03:42 AM
People still tolerate me. Just barely though.

I haven't made up anything. If you've been down on LeBron, then my bad. I guess I missed that. I kind of assumed that everybody in Cleveland thought he was a God, and with good reason. The guy is amazing.

And I wasn't necessarily flaming you personally, I just disagree with your argument. No, I wouldn't call it a coward act. The Cavs have no room to make any more deals or get better at all, they've proven that since his drafting that their front office is unable to put the right pieces around him, and it seems like they've hit the wall.

Now granted, I understand your frustration. How you go from the best record in the NBA to flaming out in the playoffs is a kick in the balls. I can appreciate your expectations, etc. But the Cavs don't have a coach, I don't even know if they have a GM, and they have a team that simply isn't great outside of LeBron.

I mean Atawn Jamison was supposed to be this big acquisition, he was supposed to be the Pippen. In that conference semifinals, the guy went for 12 & 7. Meanwhile, a gimpy, over-the-hill Garnett went for 19 & 8. I mean, maybe you could make the argument that the Celtics are really hitting the age wall, and that another year together with LBJ and Jamison as the two main pieces would work wonders. To be honest, I'd buy that argument. I'd give them the benefit of the doubt to really be able to gel with a full offseason under their belts.

Like I said originally. The Cleveland FO has indeed proven that it is in fact willing to try and compete. But it hasn't proven that they can put together a winning team. After all the personnel failures, I wouldn't trust my career with them. I truly would not. And you know me, you know I'm a Nuggets fan with no horse in this race. I don't have an agenda either way. Unless LeBron comes out West, this really doesn't effect me too much, since the Nuggies aren't making the Finals any time soon.

These guys have a limited time to play. We both know that. I don't fault any guy for doing what he truly believes is right for his career.

I'm one of the select few here that criticize LeBron here, he is a demi-god in Cleveland and the fan outcry over keeping him here has gotten to the point of embarrassment(even started a "beards from 'Bron" campaign that for the month of June many fans and local media guys grew beards out to show that they want him to stay, along with local celebrities and politicians re-enacting the "we are the world" song and changing the lyrics to "we are LeBron")

On top of the Cavs not having the best cast around him, if LeBron could close then Cleveland keeps moving on and I do expect that from the best player on the team, possibly in the league. As for a limited time to play, he's 26 and there's nothing that says he has to sign a long-term deal. Do another 3 year deal with the Cavs, and if they still don't win a title then it would look a lot better on him if he left, gave us 10 years and we couldn't accomplish it and now that he is 30 its time to title hunt in order to add to his legacy.

azbroncfan
06-28-2010, 10:16 AM
The whole idea of leaving fans in the lurch to collude with another player who is leaving their fans in the lurch to join in with a team in a cool city (because the last city and their people werent cool enough) is really a turn off. These guys want to take the easy route when players like Michael Jordan, Olajuwon, Bird, Russell, etc all changed the history of their franchises and earned the love of the fans in the right way...by blazing new trails with the fans that were with them from the get go.

Yet another reason to dislike the NBA. It has become an athletes culture that values laziness and the glamour lifestyle over competition.

LeBron James and Chris Bosh are both guys who couldnt cut it in carrying their own franchises. Hopefully they'll be remembered that way...as they really are.

I thought you were boycotting the NBA and wouldn't comment on it anymore?

Inkana7
06-28-2010, 12:15 PM
Too bad there's only one ball to go around. I'm not a Laker fan, but they'd still present frontline matchup problems for the Bulls if those teams were to meet.

When did Joakim frickin' Noah become the 2nd coming of Bill Russell?

Noah had a great playoff performance.

SonOfLe-loLang
06-28-2010, 01:01 PM
I'm one of the select few here that criticize LeBron here, he is a demi-god in Cleveland and the fan outcry over keeping him here has gotten to the point of embarrassment(even started a "beards from 'Bron" campaign that for the month of June many fans and local media guys grew beards out to show that they want him to stay, along with local celebrities and politicians re-enacting the "we are the world" song and changing the lyrics to "we are LeBron")

On top of the Cavs not having the best cast around him, if LeBron could close then Cleveland keeps moving on and I do expect that from the best player on the team, possibly in the league. As for a limited time to play, he's 26 and there's nothing that says he has to sign a long-term deal. Do another 3 year deal with the Cavs, and if they still don't win a title then it would look a lot better on him if he left, gave us 10 years and we couldn't accomplish it and now that he is 30 its time to title hunt in order to add to his legacy.

You have been spoiled by him. As mentioned by someone before, if he has an offnight, theres no one to cover for him. When Kobe has one, the Lakers are still formidable (which the finals proved). To win multiple championships, you need that second guy. Jordan has Pippen (one of the most underappreciated players in the history of the game), Kobe has Shaq and now Gasol. Lebron has nothing. Id love to see him with a great number two and its not gonna happen in cle (i wish it werent happening in chi either though)

Garcia Bronco
06-28-2010, 01:13 PM
Why got to Chicago? So he can live in jordons shadow?

Lolad
06-28-2010, 01:16 PM
I agree since they couldnt finish better than having the best record in the entire NBA the last 2 seasons.

Their team was built for the regular season. Playoff time everything is based on individual matchups since it's a 7 game series. The cavs can't match up with any team. The Cavs have no athletic players either.

Out of all the playoff teams who went deep this year they had 1 thing in common. They all had more than 2 legitimate scorers. Who else on the Cavs can you look to score or make their own shot?

Gcver2ver3
06-28-2010, 01:35 PM
Why got to Chicago? So he can live in jordons shadow?

Jordan hasn't played in a Bulls uniform in 12 or 13 yrs...

if Kobe can play in Magic's shadow and shaq can play in Kareem's shadow and Garnett can play in Russell's shadow...

Lebron would be fine...

SonOfLe-loLang
06-28-2010, 02:36 PM
Jordan hasn't played in a Bulls uniform in 12 or 13 yrs...

if Kobe can play in Magic's shadow and shaq can play in Kareem's shadow and Garnett can play in Russell's shadow...

Lebron would be fine...

Hardly the same. Its still the first thing mentioned whenever Bron's name is attached to the bulls. That said, he might not give half a ****.

Gcver2ver3
06-28-2010, 02:51 PM
Hardly the same. Its still the first thing mentioned whenever Bron's name is attached to the bulls. That said, he might not give half a ****.

i don't see why they're much different...

big time current stars playing behind big time icons from years past...

bombay
06-28-2010, 02:57 PM
Jordan hasn't played in a Bulls uniform in 12 or 13 yrs...

if Kobe can play in Magic's shadow and shaq can play in Kareem's shadow and Garnett can play in Russell's shadow...

Lebron would be fine...

Bingo. James would be an instant hero in Chicago.

SonOfLe-loLang
06-28-2010, 03:04 PM
i don't see why they're much different...

big time current stars playing behind big time icons from years past...

Im not sure why they are...but they are. Probably because Bron, of anyone, has the best chance to duplicate jordan's career (though asking that of anyone is insane). But they are constantly compared.

OABB
06-29-2010, 07:30 AM
I'm so happy to be a lakers fan. This thread is soaked in loser. With that said lebron would do best to stay in Cleveland. If he goes to a large market more people will see his game and realize how overrated he is.

HILife
06-29-2010, 08:31 AM
Good for Lebron. I hear Cleveland's fans are like a 6 and Chicago's are like a 9.

Gcver2ver3
06-29-2010, 09:09 AM
I'm so happy to be a lakers fan. This thread is soaked in loser. With that said lebron would do best to stay in Cleveland. If he goes to a large market more people will see his game and realize how overrated he is.

i hope you at least admit that is a homer comment...

OABB
06-29-2010, 09:40 AM
i hope you at least admit that is a homer comment...

A little... It was more a response to the laker bashing here...

Gcver2ver3
06-29-2010, 10:39 AM
A little... It was more a response to the laker bashing here...

i may have been part of that...

i am an admitted laker basher at times...

OABB
06-29-2010, 10:46 AM
i may have been part of that...

i am an admitted laker basher at times...

My vagina has been sandy lately.... I find my posts have been even more douchey and sarcastic than normal and that says a lot.

Gcver2ver3
06-29-2010, 11:44 AM
My vagina has been sandy lately.... I find my posts have been even more douchey and sarcastic than normal and that says a lot.

i find your self reflecting honesty refreshing...

OABB
06-29-2010, 11:48 AM
i find your self reflecting honesty refreshing...

Thank you. That's very nice of you to say.

FADERPROOF
06-29-2010, 05:27 PM
You have been spoiled by him. As mentioned by someone before, if he has an offnight, theres no one to cover for him. When Kobe has one, the Lakers are still formidable (which the finals proved). To win multiple championships, you need that second guy. Jordan has Pippen (one of the most underappreciated players in the history of the game), Kobe has Shaq and now Gasol. Lebron has nothing. Id love to see him with a great number two and its not gonna happen in cle (i wish it werent happening in chi either though)

How is it not gonna happen in cleveland? Every year the Cavs make free agent signings and trades that have improved their team, they are at least showing LeBron that they are committed to winning.

The NEARLY had Amare at the trade deadline, fell through cause Suns pulled out, if that happened then we wouldn't have a debate about where LeBron is going. Cleveland has consistenly tried to find that 2nd player for LeBron and it really is only a matter of time before they get their guy.

SonOfLe-loLang
06-29-2010, 05:28 PM
How is it not gonna happen in cleveland? Every year the Cavs make free agent signings and trades that have improved their team, they are at least showing LeBron that they are committed to winning.

The NEARLY had Amare at the trade deadline, fell through cause Suns pulled out, if that happened then we wouldn't have a debate about where LeBron is going. Cleveland has consistenly tried to find that 2nd player for LeBron and it really is only a matter of time before they get their guy.

Ok, ill rephrase. It COULD happen, but he increases his chances by going to a place that already has a star as his number 2. Clevelands cap space has been an issue.

RhymesayersDU
06-29-2010, 07:23 PM
How is it not gonna happen in cleveland? Every year the Cavs make free agent signings and trades that have improved their team, they are at least showing LeBron that they are committed to winning.

The NEARLY had Amare at the trade deadline, fell through cause Suns pulled out, if that happened then we wouldn't have a debate about where LeBron is going. Cleveland has consistenly tried to find that 2nd player for LeBron and it really is only a matter of time before they get their guy.

So if you're pitching this to LeBron, your argument is "Hey, we'll just keep randomly throwing spaghetti against the wall until something sticks!"

Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Edit: This was a little snarkier than I meant it to be. But honestly, can you give me 1 basketball-related reason he should stay? "We'll keep trying" isn't sufficient. Give me one. If it's Jamison's improvement, fine. If you have a legitimate trade option, fine. But simply saying "we'll find a way" when you haven't found a way over the past 6 years doesn't work. It's ludicrous.

serious hops
06-29-2010, 07:32 PM
If anything, I think an argument might be made that the Cavs have overspent in the effort to put the right pieces around LeBron. If they'd been more patient instead of sinking so much money into mediocre or aging players, maybe they'd have room now to go after a legit young star like Bosh to put with Bron, instead of potentially seeing him go someplace else to play with that type of player.

maher_tyler
06-29-2010, 07:45 PM
Why got to Chicago? So he can live in jordons shadow?

LeBron mentioned the NBA should retire #23 in Jordan's honor..if anything..i think he'd love to play in Chicago..get a statue of his own next to Jordan's!!

RhymesayersDU
06-30-2010, 06:07 PM
Topping for impending free agency.

But also, I want to say this, because I've been banging away at the "LeBron should leave" point pretty hard.

It's never totally about one thing when these guys change teams. There's lifestyle, there's money, etc. It would not totally shock me if he stayed. Akron/Cleveland/Ohio is home, and that's a big deal, obviously.

So I wouldn't be necessarily surprised if he does stay. I still don't think there's a good basketball reason to stay, I don't think the team is very good. But he certainly could do just that.

epicSocialism4tw
06-30-2010, 06:26 PM
Topping for impending free agency.

But also, I want to say this, because I've been banging away at the "LeBron should leave" point pretty hard.

It's never totally about one thing when these guys change teams. There's lifestyle, there's money, etc. It would not totally shock me if he stayed. Akron/Cleveland/Ohio is home, and that's a big deal, obviously.

So I wouldn't be necessarily surprised if he does stay. I still don't think there's a good basketball reason to stay, I don't think the team is very good. But he certainly could do just that.

I just got a tweet from Worldwide Wes that says that LeBron is going to Barcelona for 200 million doughnuts.

SonOfLe-loLang
06-30-2010, 10:43 PM
LeBron mentioned the NBA should retire #23 in Jordan's honor..if anything..i think he'd love to play in Chicago..get a statue of his own next to Jordan's!!

I think that's a reason why he shouldnt.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, the team that makes the most sense is...the New York Knicks. And lets not even bring up the benefits of playing basketball in NYC, lets just talk basketball.

First off, Bron would be absolute dynamite running the point in the D'Antoni offense. He's the best driver in the league and probably the best passing forward this league has seen. In the Knicks wide open offense, he'd have his lanes and, really, an amazing set of shooters to dish off to when he needs to kick out (and thats the kind of player he is). Gallonari, Douglas, Chandler, and now Rautins are all excellent shooters...something Bron has never played with and still won't play with should he go to Chicago.

Despite reports, the Knicks are the only team that can offer two max contracts. Chicago can bring in another high priced guy, but only the knicks can bring in two max guys (the heat can too, but one would have to be Dwade.) That means Lebron can have his pick of the litter of playing partners. Of these guys, Chris Bosh makes the most sense, especially in the D'antoni offense because of his ability to face the basket and his midrange game.

The knicks also have another piece that is unique: Eddy Curry's horrid expiring contract. So, next season, the knicks can acquire ANOTHER high priced free agent (Carmelo perhaps?) to join the squad.

Dolan has shown time after time he's willing to spend way above the luxury tax. You know who hasnt? Jerry Reinsdorf. And he'll have rose's and noah's new contracts to deal with in the next couple of years.

Of all the teams, the Knicks can offer LeBron the chance to start from scratch and pick his teammates (and is the only team that can surround him with shooters). I'm telling you Derrick Rose is NOT the best playing partner for Bron...they play virtually the same game and both need the ball in their hands...one will get marginalized. For next year, perhaps the Knicks arent the best choice...but for the next 6 years, it's NYC.

ZONA
06-30-2010, 11:49 PM
I think that's a reason why he shouldnt.

I've said it before, I'll say it again, the team that makes the most sense is...the New York Knicks. And lets not even bring up the benefits of playing basketball in NYC, lets just talk basketball.

First off, Bron would be absolute dynamite running the point in the D'Antoni offense. He's the best driver in the league and probably the best passing forward this league has seen. In the Knicks wide open offense, he'd have his lanes and, really, an amazing set of shooters to dish off to when he needs to kick out (and thats the kind of player he is). Gallonari, Douglas, Chandler, and now Rautins are all excellent shooters...something Bron has never played with and still won't play with should he go to Chicago.

Despite reports, the Knicks are the only team that can offer two max contracts. Chicago can bring in another high priced guy, but only the knicks can bring in two max guys (the heat can too, but one would have to be Dwade.) That means Lebron can have his pick of the litter of playing partners. Of these guys, Chris Bosh makes the most sense, especially in the D'antoni offense because of his ability to face the basket and his midrange game.

The knicks also have another piece that is unique: Eddy Curry's horrid expiring contract. So, next season, the knicks can acquire ANOTHER high priced free agent (Carmelo perhaps?) to join the squad.

Dolan has shown time after time he's willing to spend way above the luxury tax. You know who hasnt? Jerry Reinsdorf. And he'll have rose's and noah's new contracts to deal with in the next couple of years.

Of all the teams, the Knicks can offer LeBron the chance to start from scratch and pick his teammates (and is the only team that can surround him with shooters). I'm telling you Derrick Rose is NOT the best playing partner for Bron...they play virtually the same game and both need the ball in their hands...one will get marginalized. For next year, perhaps the Knicks arent the best choice...but for the next 6 years, it's NYC.

If Lebron goes to NY, which I think he will, I think there are 3 other guys the Knicks have to choose from that willing would want to go there and play for Mike and along side James. Bosh, Stoudamire and Johnson. If James went to NY along with either Bosh or Amare, and then having those shooters on the floor, I think they become the team to beat in the East.

Jerry Curl
07-01-2010, 12:07 AM
Bahaha @ the Knicks being LeBron and someone away from the team to beat in the East. Have you seen the rest of the Knicks roster? Where are these shooters and what happened to them last year? It makes them a playoff team no doubt but the favorite? no way imo

ZONA
07-01-2010, 12:20 AM
Bahaha @ the Knicks being LeBron and someone away from the team to beat in the East. Have you seen the rest of the Knicks roster? Where are these shooters and what happened to them last year? It makes them a playoff team no doubt but the favorite? no way imo

Seriously? Where are the shooters on the Knicks team? If you don't even know that, then go watch some game clips. Gallinari for one is a lights out shooter, one of the best in the game right now. If you put James and Bosh/Amare together, plus a few servicable scrappy bench players, the shooting of Gallinari, that's going to be tough to beat. Boston is getting old and the Magic still are a few pieces away I think. Plus, the Knicks are rid of Curry's contract next year and they could bring in somebody like Parker or Paul to run the floor. Now that would be deadly.

RhymesayersDU
07-01-2010, 07:18 AM
The Bulls can offer 2 max contracts. The Heat can offer 3 max contracts if they can move Beasley in a sign-and-trade.

SonOfLe-loLang
07-01-2010, 09:10 AM
The Bulls can offer 2 max contracts. The Heat can offer 3 max contracts if they can move Beasley in a sign-and-trade.

The bulls cannot offer two max deals...they are 30 mil under the cap, the max deals will cost around 16.5 each. Only the Knicks and Heat can, but you'd have to assume one of the heat's contracts will go to Wade.

FADERPROOF
07-02-2010, 02:21 PM
So if you're pitching this to LeBron, your argument is "Hey, we'll just keep randomly throwing spaghetti against the wall until something sticks!"

Yeah, that's ridiculous.

Edit: This was a little snarkier than I meant it to be. But honestly, can you give me 1 basketball-related reason he should stay? "We'll keep trying" isn't sufficient. Give me one. If it's Jamison's improvement, fine. If you have a legitimate trade option, fine. But simply saying "we'll find a way" when you haven't found a way over the past 6 years doesn't work. It's ludicrous.

Tell me this, who had a hand in all of those free agent and trade deals?

Ferry and Gilbert made sure LeBron was in on all deals made, he had the final say even with the Jamison deal because of how close he and Z were.

So now that he has the roster that he helped built around him, he is gonna say that this roster is insufficient and wants out? Sounds a little farfetched there and anyone who wants to use that argument is just trying to find a reason for LeBron to leave.

LeBron got Jamison, Shaq, Delonte, Mo along with Parker, Moon in free agency and re-signing Varajao...he had a big hand in all of those moves and his fingerprints are all over the roster, so he is gonna bring in the team only to leave it?

FADERPROOF
07-02-2010, 02:23 PM
The Bulls can offer 2 max contracts. The Heat can offer 3 max contracts if they can move Beasley in a sign-and-trade.

And if the Heat do sign 3 max deals, who is left? They are so far under the cap because Haslem, Arroyo, O'Neal among others are all UFA's, they can go ahead an sign Wade, Bosh, and LeBron like ESPN wants everyone to believe they will, but get ready for Miami to have no other players/depth on that team after that.

nickademus
07-02-2010, 08:06 PM
dude if the heat pull all three of thoes guys you are going to see players flock for the mle in mia. hell even the lle would pull some of your older vets/

RhymesayersDU
07-02-2010, 08:12 PM
Tell me this, who had a hand in all of those free agent and trade deals?

Ferry and Gilbert made sure LeBron was in on all deals made, he had the final say even with the Jamison deal because of how close he and Z were.

So now that he has the roster that he helped built around him, he is gonna say that this roster is insufficient and wants out? Sounds a little farfetched there and anyone who wants to use that argument is just trying to find a reason for LeBron to leave.

LeBron got Jamison, Shaq, Delonte, Mo along with Parker, Moon in free agency and re-signing Varajao...he had a big hand in all of those moves and his fingerprints are all over the roster, so he is gonna bring in the team only to leave it?

That's a fair point.

But let me ask you this. If LeBron ever shot 6-24 in a game, would the Cavs win? Because that is what Kobe shot in Game 7 of the Finals. And his team still won, because he has adequate help. For any faults LeBron might have, he averaged 30/9/7 in the playoffs. That's almost a triple double. The guy needs some quality help.

colonelbeef
07-02-2010, 08:32 PM
If Lebron goes to NY, which I think he will, I think there are 3 other guys the Knicks have to choose from that willing would want to go there and play for Mike and along side James. Bosh, Stoudamire and Johnson. If James went to NY along with either Bosh or Amare, and then having those shooters on the floor, I think they become the team to beat in the East.

Yep.

Gallinari is way under the radar, but his stats compare favorably to Dirks' at the same point in their careers, and they have nearly identical games. Gallinari might be a slightly better defender in fact.

The Curry contract is a huge factor. The knicks can essentially hand out 3 max contracts in two years, nobody else is even close to being able to say that.

FADERPROOF
07-02-2010, 08:48 PM
That's a fair point.

But let me ask you this. If LeBron ever shot 6-24 in a game, would the Cavs win? Because that is what Kobe shot in Game 7 of the Finals. And his team still won, because he has adequate help. For any faults LeBron might have, he averaged 30/9/7 in the playoffs. That's almost a triple double. The guy needs some quality help.

Im sure you watched game 6 of the Boston-Cleveland series, LeBron had a triple-double in that game as well but did it look anything like it? No, shot like **** from the floor and turned the ball over 9 times...James is a natural 30/9/7 guy based on his ability and athletic freak-ism but intangibles are still around and those stats don't show the whole story.

To answer the question, No Cavs wouldnt win because they needed him to at least hit his regular season numbers(I wanna see what his numbers were against the Celtics, without the stat pads against the Bulls), I think what helped the Lakers is the size advantage over the Celtics especially in Game 7 without Perkins.

Lakers stat-wise shouldve won that game by 20, and would have if Kobe showed up to his normal game, Boston is lucky in a way that he was off as much as he was cause it wouldnt haveeven been a game if he was knocking shots down.

Cavs talking with Brendan Haywood, Al Harrington and in talks with New Orleans for Chris Paul currently...believe me that Cleveland is not done trying to make this team better all for LeBron.

epicSocialism4tw
07-02-2010, 09:06 PM
Gallinari is way under the radar, but his stats compare favorably to Dirks' at the same point in their careers, and they have nearly identical games. Gallinari might be a slightly better defender in fact.

Uh...seriously?

The Knicks aint got squat.

If Dwyheelchair Wade and Chris "Look at me! Look at me!" Bosh unite in Chicago, then LeBron will not go to NY unless they bring in a couple of other guys. Stoudemire would be a start.

azbroncfan
07-02-2010, 10:37 PM
Uh...seriously?

The Knicks aint got squat.

If Dwyheelchair Wade and Chris "Look at me! Look at me!" Bosh unite in Chicago, then LeBron will not go to NY unless they bring in a couple of other guys. Stoudemire would be a start.

Still bitter at Wade for beating your Mavs after you said it was time to get the brooms out huh? I agree it was completely stupid for him to get a wheelchair for a shoulder injury.

broncocalijohn
07-03-2010, 03:40 PM
Oh come on dude. I'm no Cleveland hater, I've watched a bunch of their games over the last few seasons and that team was almost all Lebron. As soon as it left his hands the team's number 1 priority was to get it back there so he could make a play. He needs serious help to win a championship, every great player does.

Mo Williams?
****ing Varejao??
Delonte West?

That team was Lebron + a lot of overpaid role players.

It was always destined to fail on the big stage.

no one player gives you the most wins in the regular season. I remember looking at stats of Jordan when it was his young stud and other guys. They made the playoffs and the games would be Jordan for 42 and they lose to Celtics. Difference is that Jordan didnt choke in those games like LeBron did for Cleveland. If Bosh and LeBron went to Cleveland, that team would be epic..... until LeBron fails in the playoffs.

SonOfLe-loLang
07-03-2010, 04:40 PM
no one player gives you the most wins in the regular season. I remember looking at stats of Jordan when it was his young stud and other guys. They made the playoffs and the games would be Jordan for 42 and they lose to Celtics. Difference is that Jordan didnt choke in those games like LeBron did for Cleveland. If Bosh and LeBron went to Cleveland, that team would be epic..... until LeBron fails in the playoffs.

This LeBron choking thing is a ****ing joke. How quickly we forget the 48 special he put up against Detroit a few years ago (and the last 25 pts of that game). Or that HUGE shot in game two of the conference finals last year to win it. I've watched a ton of LeBron and im convinced his elbow was really bothering him against the celtics. In one of the game, he barely took a jump shot till the 4th quarter. When he had a couple of days of rest, he'd come out and be normal LeBron. His teammates did NOT pick him up...at all. You can't win a championship without a good number two. Jordan had the best number 2 ever to play the game (lets recall that Pippen led team that took them within a hubert davis foul of the eastern conf finals in 94.) Kobe couldnt do it without Shaq or an awesome Pau Gasol.

Anyone who calls LeBron a choker is just hating. He took a 25 win team to 60 wins two years in a row. The man's the best basketball player in the game.

epicSocialism4tw
07-03-2010, 04:45 PM
This LeBron choking thing is a ****ing joke. How quickly we forget the 48 special he put up against Detroit a few years ago (and the last 25 pts of that game). Or that HUGE shot in game two of the conference finals last year to win it. I've watched a ton of LeBron and im convinced his elbow was really bothering him against the celtics. In one of the game, he barely took a jump shot till the 4th quarter. When he had a couple of days of rest, he'd come out and be normal LeBron. His teammates did NOT pick him up...at all. You can't win a championship without a good number two. Jordan had the best number 2 ever to play the game (lets recall that Pippen led team that took them within a hubert davis foul of the eastern conf finals in 94.) Kobe couldnt do it without Shaq or an awesome Pau Gasol.

Anyone who calls LeBron a choker is just hating. He took a 25 win team to 60 wins two years in a row. The man's the best basketball player in the game.

James had about the same level of talent alongside him as Kobe Bryant did pre-Gasol/Bynum/Ariza-Artest and what Nowitzki has been playing with in Dallas for years. None of them won on their own. Props to James and Nowitzki for getting to the finals, which is historically very hard to do with one star player. Olajuwon is the only player EVER to win a championship "on his own" without any stars to team with.

It takes a couple of high level players and several solid supporting players to win a championship in the NBA...and it takes help from the refs as well.

FADERPROOF
07-03-2010, 07:30 PM
This LeBron choking thing is a ****ing joke. How quickly we forget the 48 special he put up against Detroit a few years ago (and the last 25 pts of that game). Or that HUGE shot in game two of the conference finals last year to win it. I've watched a ton of LeBron and im convinced his elbow was really bothering him against the celtics. In one of the game, he barely took a jump shot till the 4th quarter. When he had a couple of days of rest, he'd come out and be normal LeBron. His teammates did NOT pick him up...at all. You can't win a championship without a good number two. Jordan had the best number 2 ever to play the game (lets recall that Pippen led team that took them within a hubert davis foul of the eastern conf finals in 94.) Kobe couldnt do it without Shaq or an awesome Pau Gasol.

Anyone who calls LeBron a choker is just hating. He took a 25 win team to 60 wins two years in a row. The man's the best basketball player in the game.

Agreed, this year against Boston was the only time he failed to perform well in the playoffs, even the loss in the ECF last year to the Magic LeBron was averaging 38 ppg's in that series.

oubronco
07-04-2010, 12:32 PM
This LeBron choking thing is a ****ing joke. How quickly we forget the 48 special he put up against Detroit a few years ago (and the last 25 pts of that game). Or that HUGE shot in game two of the conference finals last year to win it. I've watched a ton of LeBron and im convinced his elbow was really bothering him against the celtics. In one of the game, he barely took a jump shot till the 4th quarter. When he had a couple of days of rest, he'd come out and be normal LeBron. His teammates did NOT pick him up...at all. You can't win a championship without a good number two. Jordan had the best number 2 ever to play the game (lets recall that Pippen led team that took them within a hubert davis foul of the eastern conf finals in 94.) Kobe couldnt do it without Shaq or an awesome Pau Gasol.

Anyone who calls LeBron a choker is just hating. He took a 25 win team to 60 wins two years in a row. The man's the best basketball player in the game.

Until he proves anything he will be talked about in this way. And Kobe is twice the player Lebron is period

epicSocialism4tw
07-04-2010, 12:41 PM
Until he proves anything he will be talked about in this way. And Kobe is twice the player Lebron is period

I dont agree with that at all.

When Kobe Bryant didnt have an all-star starting five, he led his team to barely make the playoffs and then get knocked out in the first round. Then he whined and complained about his team and started to force a trade to another franchise.

Look at what LeBron James has done in contrast. You are holding James to a standard that you do not hold Bryant to. You are giving Bryant a pass because his franchise has placed boatloads of talent around him. Heck, even Michael Jordan had boatloads of talent around him. If James were to lead a franchise to a championship on his own, he would be putting Jordan's legacy in the dust.

LeBron James is the superior player. He will be the superior player in the long run, and he will accomplish more than Bryant could hope.

SonOfLe-loLang
07-04-2010, 05:47 PM
Until he proves anything he will be talked about in this way. And Kobe is twice the player Lebron is period

In the history of this board, I'm not sure I've ever agreed with you on anything.

NFLBRONCO
07-04-2010, 06:22 PM
West is tougher then the east though its easier to get to ECF. I'm not taking anything away from Bron he is a fine fine player.

jossjeff
07-04-2010, 07:03 PM
I dont agree with that at all.

When Kobe Bryant didnt have an all-star starting five, he led his team to barely make the playoffs and then get knocked out in the first round. Then he whined and complained about his team and started to force a trade to another franchise.

Look at what LeBron James has done in contrast. You are holding James to a standard that you do not hold Bryant to. You are giving Bryant a pass because his franchise has placed boatloads of talent around him. Heck, even Michael Jordan had boatloads of talent around him. If James were to lead a franchise to a championship on his own, he would be putting Jordan's legacy in the dust.

LeBron James is the superior player. He will be the superior player in the long run, and he will accomplish more than Bryant could hope.

This....

James is without question the most talented player I have ever seen.

That being said however dude needs to grow as a player.

It's a process.

Watched Kobe airball vs. Utah back in the day thinking bad shot but WOW, this kid has game.

1 vs. 3 but he got a clear shot? Stupid but....WOW.

Kobe learned, LeBron will too.

Refs will help when the time is right.

Hope he signs with the LAC even though common sense tells me he wont.

RhymesayersDU
07-06-2010, 09:33 AM
Word now going around Cavs and Raps might be able to work out a sign and trade.

If they pull it off, I shall eat my crow. FADER was right, they figured out a way to get better. Should be an interesting few days ahead.

colonelbeef
07-06-2010, 11:03 AM
Bingo. James would be an instant hero in Chicago.

He would be an even bigger hero, and with less expectations, in New York.

Really, you can say that for anywhere he might go. Chicago less so

chex
07-06-2010, 11:53 AM
Word now going around Cavs and Raps might be able to work out a sign and trade.

If they pull it off, I shall eat my crow. FADER was right, they figured out a way to get better. Should be an interesting few days ahead.

I think if this happens you might see Wade surprise everyone and go to New York.

SoDak Bronco
07-06-2010, 12:45 PM
Sounds like Chicago is going to be left in the cold, and not get any of the big 3.

Taco John
07-07-2010, 01:54 PM
Chicago Execs sent this box to Lebron:

http://www.nicekicks.com/wp/files/2010/07/bulls-to-lebron-1.jpg


http://www.nicekicks.com/2010/07/chicago-bulls-to-lebron-do-you-dare-to-fill-these-shoes/

Gcver2ver3
07-07-2010, 02:48 PM
Sounds like Chicago is going to be left in the cold, and not get any of the big 3.

yup pretty much...

thats fine...i'm good with derrick rose being the best player on the team...

in the next couple years i expect rose to be a top 5 player anyway...

wade/bosh/lebron can kick rocks...

SoDak Bronco
07-07-2010, 03:01 PM
Bulls agree to 5 yr, $80 mil deal with Carlos Boozer. Bulls still have enough cap space to sign a max player.

broncosteven
07-07-2010, 03:36 PM
Bulls agree to 5 yr, $80 mil deal with Carlos Boozer. Bulls still have enough cap space to sign a max player.

I have spent the last hour in the car and Chicago radio is all over the Lebron watch. It has gone so far that they are reporting that some Sportcaster in Akron Oh uncoverd a purchase by Lebron of property in Chicago.

It is just as bad if not worse then when the Cutler news broke.

SonOfLe-loLang
07-07-2010, 03:37 PM
Bulls agree to 5 yr, $80 mil deal with Carlos Boozer. Bulls still have enough cap space to sign a max player.

I dont see how. If that contract is correct, its 16 a year. The bulls have 30 mil in cap space...so they can sign a high profile guy, but not a max guy (which is like 16 a year)

SonOfLe-loLang
07-07-2010, 03:39 PM
I have spent the last hour in the car and Chicago radio is all over the Lebron watch. It has gone so far that they are reporting that some Sportcaster in Akron Oh uncoverd a purchase by Lebron of property in Chicago.

It is just as bad if not worse then when the Cutler news broke.

I bet that "property purchase" is some BS.

Kid A
07-07-2010, 05:15 PM
I bet that "property purchase" is some BS.

Yeah. I'd kind of like to see him come to Chicago just for how crazy it would be around here. My guess (in order of likelihood): Cleveland, Heat, NY Knicks, Bulls.

SonOfLe-loLang
07-07-2010, 05:16 PM
Yeah. I'd kind of like to see him come to Chicago just for how crazy it would be around here. My guess (in order of likelihood): Cleveland, Heat, NY Knicks, Bulls.

id invert the heat and knicks...i cant imagine why an ego like Bron's would wanna share the stage with Wade

Kid A
07-07-2010, 05:29 PM
id invert the heat and knicks...i cant imagine why an ego like Bron's would wanna share the stage with Wade

Yeah, I've gone back and forth on that. I just heard something on ESPN where they said the Heat were still a "strong possibility" so I guess that sways me a little in that direction. Knicks make more sense, though, in terms of the LeBron brand/being the Alpha.

Broncoman13
07-07-2010, 06:10 PM
Word now going around Cavs and Raps might be able to work out a sign and trade.

If they pull it off, I shall eat my crow. FADER was right, they figured out a way to get better. Should be an interesting few days ahead.

I thought they announced today that both Bosh and Wade would be going/staying in Miami?

This is all pretty frustrating. First the whole Bron/Bosh thing to Chicago being a done deal. Then you hear Amare signs for $100m w/the Knicks. Then Boozer to Chicago is a done deal. And somewhere in the middle of all this is Dirk, Johnson, and Pierce deciding to return to their own teams. What the hell is really going on here?

RhymesayersDU
07-07-2010, 07:25 PM
I thought they announced today that both Bosh and Wade would be going/staying in Miami?

This is all pretty frustrating. First the whole Bron/Bosh thing to Chicago being a done deal. Then you hear Amare signs for $100m w/the Knicks. Then Boozer to Chicago is a done deal. And somewhere in the middle of all this is Dirk, Johnson, and Pierce deciding to return to their own teams. What the hell is really going on here?

I posted that a day or so before the Bosh to Miami thing was done.

azbroncfan
07-07-2010, 07:44 PM
Bulls agree to 5 yr, $80 mil deal with Carlos Boozer. Bulls still have enough cap space to sign a max player.

That's a lot of cash for an injury prone regular season player. I like Booze til he has to play a guy that is taller than him and he is an expenive jumpshooter.

broncosteven
07-07-2010, 07:47 PM
So is this ESPN "annoucement" setting some kind of precedent for FA signings?

SoDak Bronco
07-07-2010, 09:25 PM
The thing that sucks is I bet you anything, ESPN knows where he is going but they aren't reporting it so people tune in to see this whole specticle. pretty stupid if you ask me, i hope it leaks.