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watermock
06-24-2010, 07:20 PM
It got rid of some crap but seems like it is kinda tuned to pushing product.

It's wild how you have to change puters every 48 months.

IE8 just want to jam crap up your ass.

baja
06-24-2010, 07:26 PM
No shiit!

broncosteven
06-24-2010, 07:35 PM
I love it, the only thing I am missing is a spell checker but if it is like Firefoxes I can wait.

Killericon
06-24-2010, 07:51 PM
My firefox has a newsfeed along the bottom, weather at the top, a search bar just for google, a search bar that can search any number of sites, it has a button that allows me to upload pictures to imageshack directly, and it has the tidiest shortcut bar ever(just icons), and that's just the snazzy stuff, never mind the security stuff it runs in the background.

I like my firefox just fine, thanks.

baja
06-24-2010, 08:09 PM
My firefox has a newsfeed along the bottom, weather at the top, a search bar just for google, a search bar that can search any number of sites, <b>it has a button that allows me to upload pictures to imageshack directly,</b> and it has the tidiest shortcut bar ever(just icons), and that's just the snazzy stuff, never mind the security stuff it runs in the background.

I like my firefox just fine, thanks.

That is a damn fine feature

Que
06-24-2010, 08:27 PM
It's wild how you have to change puters every 48 months.


At the risk of starting a Mac v PC flame war... Get a Mac or a Linux box. Have had my MBP for three years and counting and it still runs like the day I got it. Don't have any plans to buy a new one any time soon. Back before I switched I was a new PC a year guy.

tsiguy96
06-24-2010, 08:29 PM
At the risk of starting a Mac v PC flame war... Get a Mac or a Linux box. Have had my MBP for three years and counting and it still runs like the day I got it. Don't have any plans to buy a new one any time soon. Back before I switched I was a new PC a year guy.

that is a big advantage to mac, the hardware seems to last longer.

BroncoBuff
06-24-2010, 08:30 PM
Chrome. Unleash the power of Google ... right inside your browser.

baja
06-24-2010, 08:31 PM
At the risk of starting a Mac v PC flame war... Get a Mac or a Linux box. Have had my MBP for three years and counting and it still runs like the day I got it. Don't have any plans to buy a new one any time soon. Back before I switched I was a new PC a year guy.

My Mac Power Book just turned 6 years and is running fine. I mean really fine. This machine has been a trooper and it cost about 500 dollars a year and counting

Killericon
06-24-2010, 08:37 PM
That is a damn fine feature

http://toolbar.imageshack.us/

It comes with all sorts of drop down menus, but you can get rid of all the clutter and just have the upload button.

Fedaykin
06-24-2010, 08:40 PM
that is a big advantage to mac, the hardware seems to last longer.

It's precisely the same hardware these days.

baja
06-24-2010, 08:43 PM
http://toolbar.imageshack.us/

It comes with all sorts of drop down menus, but you can get rid of all the clutter and just have the upload button.

I'm sold on Safari but thanks for the link. ;D

Killericon
06-24-2010, 08:44 PM
It's precisely the same hardware these days.

PCs are high-maintenance, but they do more. Macs do less(Well, they do video editing), but they are far more stable. It's a tradeoff. I have no problems running a PC wisely and making it last. It's all about the proper care. Different strokes for different folks, I suppose.

watermock
06-24-2010, 09:05 PM
I rember buying my first puter, it was rhe new packard bell 200 pentium. 2k.

Just curious, I've gone thru 5.

After my injury, my long term memory is fine, as my short term, do need an implant borg style?

<object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/qiSkyEyBczU&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/qiSkyEyBczU&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>

Requiem
06-24-2010, 10:05 PM
Anyone who uses Internet Explorer still needs to get with the ****ing program. Let me guess, you still have Netscape Navigator as well? Jesus Christ.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
06-24-2010, 10:24 PM
Anyone who uses Internet Explorer still needs to get with the ****ing program. Let me guess, you still have Netscape Navigator as well? Jesus Christ.

I'm pretty excited... I actually got 5,000 hours for free on AOL in the mail today. What a sweet deal! Can't wait to get started!

Kyle
06-24-2010, 11:32 PM
A pc or Linux based box for the price of a Mac will last as long as any Mac. Problem is that people buy a pc or Linux based box for $399 and somehow are surprised when their $1800 Mac runs relavent software for longer. Now that Mac is intel there isn't any difference hardware wise. Buy budget gear and get budget product life. Buy pricy gear and get long product life. Pretty simple really.

Kyle
06-24-2010, 11:34 PM
PS. I know this rocking BBS you should all check out. They have like a dozen 9600 lines. If you can get on one they are BLAZING fast

BroncoBuff
06-24-2010, 11:46 PM
Anyone who uses Internet Explorer still needs to get with the ****ing program. Let me guess, you still have Netscape Navigator as well? Jesus Christ.

Hey ...Navigator 4.0 is awesome!

watermock
06-25-2010, 03:03 AM
Bullshiat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moore's_law

extralife
06-25-2010, 03:07 AM
IE8 is garbage. Microsoft is "pushing it" (it's something like five years old, you know) because most people still use IE6, which is by now completely and totally insecure to the point where so many people using it is a legitimate security issue. Basically Microsoft have to tell people not to be ****ing retards.

watermock
06-25-2010, 03:36 AM
So your telling me Bill Gates is Henry Ford.

I see SS flash cards replacing HD's soon.

watermock
06-25-2010, 03:50 AM
I see compters the size of a cigar box.

Flash drive will replace hard drive soon.

People will be able to take thir computer in their pocket.

It's allreadt happening with droid and
!4

They just need to be able to pull the chip., or simply download it.

broncogary
06-25-2010, 06:41 AM
It got rid of some crap but seems like it is kinda tuned to pushing product.

It's wild how you have to change puters every 48 months.

IE8 just want to jam crap up your ass.

That's not crap, that's sunshine. :sunshine:

jhns
06-25-2010, 07:22 AM
IE8 is by far the best browser and PCs are far better than Macs. This is all based on these allowing you to do a ton more. You can get everything anyone has mentioned for other browsers on IE8. All of those customized toolbars and icons on the toolbars are pretty easy to get. It is just a browser though so it doesn't really make a difference. That is, as long as you don't care that you are holding back what people can do on websites and that you won't be able to view some websites that take advantage of what all of these other browsers don't support. People just hate on Microsoft because it is the "cool" thing to do. Anyone that isn't some conspiracy against big company loon or that actually knows what they are talking about will tell you exactly what I am saying.

As for the PC vs Mac, PCs just support far more than Macs. You will also pay a lot more for a Mac than you would for that exact same hardware in a PC. Mac is such a rip off, it is funny that they get so many suckers to get them. I personally think any pre-built computer is a joke. They all use the cheapest parts possible and then charge way to much for the 45 minutes it takes to put it together(probably about 15 for those always doing it). You all can build your own. Just look up what all parts you need. When you get them, everything will only fit into the spot it goes. I still remember learning the difference between memory and the hard drive when I went to build my first. I had no clue what I was doing and was successful in building one. You will spend a lot less money for a much better computer if you do it yourself.

Killericon
06-25-2010, 09:31 AM
So your telling me Bill Gates is Henry Ford.

I see SS flash cards replacing HD's soon.

You're late to the party, I see.

http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/img/data/articles/2008/2697/ssd_1.jpg

80 GBs for the same price as a 2TB standard HD, but Solid State Drives are already here, and they're amazing.

Fedaykin
06-25-2010, 11:38 AM
You're late to the party, I see.

http://www.hardwarezone.com.au/img/data/articles/2008/2697/ssd_1.jpg

80 GBs for the same price as a 2TB standard HD, but Solid State Drives are already here, and they're amazing.

I've been using one of these for almost two years. They are the absolute, indisputable #1 upgrade you can possibly make. Worth every penny.

Irish Stout
06-25-2010, 11:50 AM
jhns, if thats really the case on IE8, why does it perform worse than firefox and chrome in the consumer reports, pcworld, computer world tests? Consistently it is ranked the worst amongst those three and almost always the worst for security and speed.

Que
06-25-2010, 11:56 AM
Mac is such a rip off, it is funny that they get so many suckers to get them. I personally think any pre-built computer is a joke. They all use the cheapest parts possible and then charge way to much for the 45 minutes it takes to put it together(probably about 15 for those always doing it). You all can build your own. Just look up what all parts you need. When you get them, everything will only fit into the spot it goes. I still remember learning the difference between memory and the hard drive when I went to build my first. I had no clue what I was doing and was successful in building one. You will spend a lot less money for a much better computer if you do it yourself.

Actually I think the reason for me that Macs are superior products IS because of the hardware. Let's set aside the superiority of OS X vs. Windows or design and just talk hardware.

Factually, you are correct. It is pretty much the same hardware. But what kills PC's is the vast array of different hardware that goes into any given PC vs. the limited set of hardware components that go into a Mac. The number of third party drivers and hardware profiles is staggering with PC's and a big chunk of people's frustration is when they all don't work together nicely. You don't have that with Macs. Everything works together nicely because they're designed as a whole unit rather than a summation of parts.

I always thought that Microsoft should build PC's like Apple does. I think in the end they would be the superior PC maker. It is probably very frustrating for them to be blamed for issues that are most likely beyond their control.

NOTE: I used to love to build PC's from the ground up (loved Tom's Hardware). Was a passion of mine - a labor of love. Then I tried a Mac and never went back. I don't game much on a computer anymore and aside from games, there aren't any limitations that I notice software wise on a Mac. I also learned that gaming on a PC is pretty pointless when you have great cheap consoles these days. Heh!

jhns
06-25-2010, 11:57 AM
jhns, if thats really the case on IE8, why does it perform worse than firefox and chrome in the consumer reports, pcworld, computer world tests? Consistently it is ranked the worst amongst those three and almost always the worst for security and speed.

I don't know. Do you have a link to some of these tests? I will get back to you after seeing what you are talking about.

jhns
06-25-2010, 12:02 PM
Actually I think the reason for me that Macs are superior products IS because of the hardware. Let's set aside the superiority of OS X vs. Windows or design and just talk hardware.

Factually, you are correct. It is pretty much the same hardware. But what kills PC's is the vast array of different hardware that goes into any given PC vs. the limited set of hardware components that go into a Mac. The number of third party drivers and hardware profiles is staggering with PC's and a big chunk of people's frustration is when they all don't work together nicely. You don't have that with Macs. Everything works together nicely because they're designed as a whole unit rather than a summation of parts.

I always thought that Microsoft should build PC's like Apple does. I think in the end they would be the superior PC maker. It is probably very frustrating for them to be blamed for issues that are most likely beyond their control.

NOTE: I used to love to build PC's from the ground up (loved Tom's Hardware). Was a passion of mine - a labor of love. Then I tried a Mac and never went back. I don't game much on a computer anymore and aside from games, there aren't any limitations that I notice software wise on a Mac. I also learned that gaming on a PC is pretty pointless when you have great cheap consoles these days. Heh!

Yeah, that is just my opinion on it. If you like Mac better and don't mind the money, go for a Mac. If you don't play games, I doubt you will find much you can't run and you also probably won't need to upgrade much.

Requiem
06-25-2010, 12:06 PM
IE8 as the best browser? LOL. **** you.

Irish Stout
06-25-2010, 12:07 PM
I don't know. Do you have a link to some of these tests? I will get back to you after seeing what you are talking about.

http://www.thinkdigit.com/Internet/The-hunt-for-the-Fastest-Browser-on_4224.html

This was posted in a thread here from April, I think started by Dagmar.

For further refrence, just use google.com, type in "ie8 firefox chrome" brings up a plethora of stuff, none of which I saw as indicating ie8 was better. Although I did see a few tests indicating it was sometimes (edit: rarely) faster than firefox, its security was worse.

Irish Stout
06-25-2010, 12:11 PM
this was the tread:

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showthread.php?t=90428&highlight=chrome&page=2

Kaylore
06-25-2010, 12:35 PM
http://www.thinkdigit.com/Internet/The-hunt-for-the-Fastest-Browser-on_4224.html

This was posted in a thread here from April, I think started by Dagmar.

For further refrence, just use google.com, type in "ie8 firefox chrome" brings up a plethora of stuff, none of which I saw as indicating ie8 was better. Although I did see a few tests indicating it was sometimes (edit: rarely) faster than firefox, its security was worse.

Jhiz will just say you're stupid and complain we traded the greatest QB in history.

jhns
06-25-2010, 12:54 PM
Jhiz will just say you're stupid and complain we traded the greatest QB in history.

Look at the little nerd that I upset at some point. Isn't he cute!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
06-25-2010, 12:55 PM
jhiz can't even talk computers without being a troll, I see.

listopencil
06-25-2010, 01:03 PM
After my injury, my long term memory is fine, as my short term, do I need an implant borg style?



Let me know if your insurance covers that. I need one.

jhns
06-25-2010, 01:04 PM
http://www.thinkdigit.com/Internet/The-hunt-for-the-Fastest-Browser-on_4224.html


It is hard to browse that on my blackberry so I am still researching some of those tests. I can tell you that they aren't unbiased though. This is from that article on what they use for the second test.

"The great thing about Dromaeo is that, despite being a Mozilla project, it includes all the tests of the Apple WebKit (SunSpider) and Chrome's (V8) JavaScript tests, besides the Dromaeo tests (Mozilla's own test suite) itself."

This should speak for itself.

Anyways, I wasn't even taking speed into consideration, so you could be right. I program web pages and software that I have to test on many browsers to make sure everyone can use it. I have never noticed a speed difference from one browser to the next. The only thing I see change the speed is your internet connection or hardware.

Irish Stout
06-25-2010, 01:11 PM
It is hard to browse that on my blackberry so I am still researching some of those tests. I can tell you that they aren't unbiased though. This is from that article on what they use for the second test.

"The great thing about Dromaeo is that, despite being a Mozilla project, it includes all the tests of the Apple WebKit (SunSpider) and Chrome's (V8) JavaScript tests, besides the Dromaeo tests (Mozilla's own test suite) itself."

This should speak for itself.

Anyways, I wasn't even taking speed into consideration, so you could be right. I program web pages and software that I have to test on many browsers to make sure everyone can use it. I have never noticed a speed difference from one browser to the next. I have never really taken that into consideration.

Speed is the least of my personal concern, but I switched to Firefox when IE kept allowing pop ups (even with blocker on) and viruses kept getting in. It virtually eliminated the problem. So personally speaking, its not about speed or what you can view or even what tool bars do what, its about what protects the best and what feels the most comfortable and intuitive - firefox had it for me, but chrome might have more protection. I haven't seen any reason to go back to IE.

jhns
06-25-2010, 01:22 PM
Speed is the least of my personal concern, but I switched to Firefox when IE kept allowing pop ups (even with blocker on) and viruses kept getting in. It virtually eliminated the problem. So personally speaking, its not about speed or what you can view or even what tool bars do what, its about what protects the best and what feels the most comfortable and intuitive - firefox had it for me, but chrome might have more protection. I haven't seen any reason to go back to IE.

Well, IE will have the most pop-ups and virus' for the same reason Windows does. They are the most commonly used. It makes sense that people would target the biggest group they can. It is why Mac users shouldn't pimp Macs to all their friends. As soon as it gets popular enough, you are going to get the same amount of virus' as Windows users have to deal with.

You just have to learn to only surf sites you can trust. Find good porn sites that don't have popups or virus' and you will be good to go. I use the free version of AVG and don't have a popup blocker and never have a problem on my computer.

Like I said in my original post, it is just a browser and doesn't really matter. I just support, and like, IE because it is the easiest to work with from a programmers POV.

broncosteven
06-25-2010, 02:06 PM
You people really need to read the book "Your not a Gadget". I started a thread on it a couple days ago.

Rock Chalk
06-25-2010, 08:47 PM
My firefox has a newsfeed along the bottom, weather at the top, a search bar just for google, a search bar that can search any number of sites, it has a button that allows me to upload pictures to imageshack directly, and it has the tidiest shortcut bar ever(just icons), and that's just the snazzy stuff, never mind the security stuff it runs in the background.

I like my firefox just fine, thanks.

You can get all that with IE8 and Firefox has more security holes than IE 8 does.

Firefox is actually the second worst browser out there IMO (Chrome takes the cake though, god what a POS). That being said, even the worst browsers these days are pretty good.

Personally for general surfing I use Safari for PC. Apparently its a POS on the Mac but the PC incarnation is a really good product.

I can say this, none of them are perfect. I have had to use hacks when building sites for all of them. Not all the time (and the majority of hacks I have to use for prior incarnations of IE). I do use IE the most because the majority of the world views websites in IE so as a responsible developer I develop websites for my clients in the most popular browser FIRST, everyone else is an afterthought. When FF or Chrome or Opera or Safari becomes the most popular browser I will develop for which ever it is first until then its IE first.

I encourage people to try them all out though. A lot of Firefox fans would be pleasantly surprised at Safari or Opera. I know there are a lot of Chrome fans out there too (Im just not among that group). Some Safari fans may like Firefox better its all just a matter of opinion.

As a developer I get excited about all the latest versions of all the browsers. Hoping that some of the flaws I have found are fixed from previous versions each time and, to the developers credit in ALL of the browsers, they do improve them dramatically.

Ive done my own real world benchmarks and not a single browser is noticeably better than any other. IE 8 did consistently beat Firefox in loading pages but we are talking about thousandths of a second so it was negligble.

As for the claim that Firefox is more secure, thats laughable. Its less attacked but every month it has SEVERE critical security holes that are patched, same as every other browser. IE gets the bulk of the bad publicity because many people refuse to report on the facts but FF is consistently patching critical and severe security holes in its products.

I hate when people dont do research, or the research they do is clearly slanted and they dig no deeper. No software out there is without its vulnerabilities and let me explain why. One simple sentence.

Wherever there is a good programmer there is a better hacker.

Remember that.

broncosteven
06-25-2010, 09:25 PM
You can get all that with IE8 and Firefox has more security holes than IE 8 does.

Firefox is actually the second worst browser out there IMO (Chrome takes the cake though, god what a POS). That being said, even the worst browsers these days are pretty good.

Personally for general surfing I use Safari for PC. Apparently its a POS on the Mac but the PC incarnation is a really good product.

I can say this, none of them are perfect. I have had to use hacks when building sites for all of them. Not all the time (and the majority of hacks I have to use for prior incarnations of IE). I do use IE the most because the majority of the world views websites in IE so as a responsible developer I develop websites for my clients in the most popular browser FIRST, everyone else is an afterthought. When FF or Chrome or Opera or Safari becomes the most popular browser I will develop for which ever it is first until then its IE first.

I encourage people to try them all out though. A lot of Firefox fans would be pleasantly surprised at Safari or Opera. I know there are a lot of Chrome fans out there too (Im just not among that group). Some Safari fans may like Firefox better its all just a matter of opinion.

As a developer I get excited about all the latest versions of all the browsers. Hoping that some of the flaws I have found are fixed from previous versions each time and, to the developers credit in ALL of the browsers, they do improve them dramatically.

Ive done my own real world benchmarks and not a single browser is noticeably better than any other. IE 8 did consistently beat Firefox in loading pages but we are talking about thousandths of a second so it was negligble.

As for the claim that Firefox is more secure, thats laughable. Its less attacked but every month it has SEVERE critical security holes that are patched, same as every other browser. IE gets the bulk of the bad publicity because many people refuse to report on the facts but FF is consistently patching critical and severe security holes in its products.

I hate when people dont do research, or the research they do is clearly slanted and they dig no deeper. No software out there is without its vulnerabilities and let me explain why. One simple sentence.

Wherever there is a good programmer there is a better hacker.

Remember that.

Well said.

REP

Fedaykin
06-25-2010, 09:49 PM
It is hard to browse that on my blackberry so I am still researching some of those tests. I can tell you that they aren't unbiased though. This is from that article on what they use for the second test.

"The great thing about Dromaeo is that, despite being a Mozilla project, it includes all the tests of the Apple WebKit (SunSpider) and Chrome's (V8) JavaScript tests, besides the Dromaeo tests (Mozilla's own test suite) itself."

This should speak for itself.

Anyways, I wasn't even taking speed into consideration, so you could be right. I program web pages and software that I have to test on many browsers to make sure everyone can use it. I have never noticed a speed difference from one browser to the next. The only thing I see change the speed is your internet connection or hardware.

LMAO Sorry bud, you just proved either you have no real experience or the limit of your experience in "programming web pages" is very simple HTML pages. There's a world of difference in execution time for JavaScript in browsers, and the difference in rendering time of HTML is vastly different between browsers.

Anyone with actual experience in non-trivial web development would know this.

Broncobiv
06-25-2010, 11:21 PM
Anyone who uses Internet Explorer still needs to get with the ****ing program. Let me guess, you still have Netscape Navigator as well? Jesus Christ.
I access the Mane with my Prodigy account. But I'm thinking of upgrading to CompuServe soon. Decisions, decisions...

extralife
06-25-2010, 11:31 PM
IE really has nothing going for it, guys. It's slow, bloated, insecure, closed, and doesn't conform to standards. Other than that though, it's fine!

jhns
06-26-2010, 12:03 AM
LMAO Sorry bud, you just proved either you have no real experience or the limit of your experience in "programming web pages" is very simple HTML pages. There's a world of difference in execution time for JavaScript in browsers, and the difference in rendering time of HTML is vastly different between browsers.

Anyone with actual experience in non-trivial web development would know this.

Whatever you say buddy. You should probably let my employer know they are paying me a ton of money for something I'm not good at.

Fedaykin
06-26-2010, 02:02 AM
Whatever you say buddy. You should probably let my employer know they are paying me a ton of money for something I'm not good at.

If you aren't familiar with the the basic details of cross browser differences, I probably should. The IT industry needs to weed out the amateurs. No way in hell I'd hire you make on my dev team, that's for sure. Perhaps you have some good design and layout skills tho, who knows.

Requiem
06-26-2010, 10:10 AM
He probably sucks at what he does. For Christ sakes he was advocating Internet Explorer 8 as a good browser.

jhns
06-26-2010, 10:18 AM
If you aren't familiar with the the basic details of cross browser differences, I probably should. The IT industry needs to weed out the amateurs. No way in hell I'd hire you make on my dev team, that's for sure. Perhaps you have some good design and layout skills tho, who knows.

I know the difference and I don't see a speed difference. Maybe your equipment sucks and that is what lets you see one. Maybe you are talking about some milliseconds that I don't see or care about. I test on different browsers all the time and every page I load is up close to instantly on every one of them. Maybe you just aren't good at what you do if your pages are taking a long time to load?

So, what are your qualifications to be talking about this? I program in many languages and have to do a ton on the web in my line of work. We track a lot of stuff on satellite and I get to program web pages to get and view that information. I also program an I-series and software for the PC. I then connect the three and make them all work together. I have a bachelors in computer science with 5 years of experience now. I just got an 11.5 percent raise after my last review in March. If I'm not good at what I'm doing, I sure have this company fooled. Also, this is a fortune 500 company.

So, how long have you been in the field, what degree do you have, and can you explain this speed difference I should be seeing?

Fedaykin
06-26-2010, 01:58 PM
I know the difference and I don't see a speed difference. Maybe your equipment sucks and that is what lets you see one. Maybe you are talking about some milliseconds that I don't see or care about. I test on different browsers all the time and every page I load is up close to instantly on every one of them. Maybe you just aren't good at what you do if your pages are taking a long time to load?

So, what are your qualifications to be talking about this? I program in many languages and have to do a ton on the web in my line of work. We track a lot of stuff on satellite and I get to program web pages to get and view that information. I also program an I-series and software for the PC. I then connect the three and make them all work together. I have a bachelors in computer science with 5 years of experience now. I just got an 11.5 percent raise after my last review in March. If I'm not good at what I'm doing, I sure have this company fooled. Also, this is a fortune 500 company.

So, how long have you been in the field, what degree do you have, and can you explain this speed difference I should be seeing?

LMAO a junior level web monkey, eh? Pretty much what I thought.

Currently I am a project lead and architect for multi-million dollar enterprise web applications on a contract basis. My current project is a browser based geospatial (GIS) database with full digitization capabilities and a growing set of client side 2D graphics manipulation features, image manipulation tools, GIS re-projection (lots of trig and calculus) and client side shape file processing functionality.

If you're familiar with it, it's a web based app similar to ESRIs ArcMap application or Google Earth but 2D and with full digitization capabilities. (look it up on Google)

Of course, this type of webapp is much different from what you apparently have experience in. Its written in Javascript from the ground up (using ESRIs Javascript GIS APIs based on the Dojo Javascript library) and does a *lot* of client side processing and thus requires good performance out of the browsers JavaScript engine to work well.

JavaScript in general sucks performance wise (hard not to with a scripting language) though there is a very pronounced difference in engine performance across browsers. Chrome beats them all, by one to two orders of magnitude. IE6 is useless but sadly a significant amount of people still use it. IE7 is pathetic but can be made to work. Other browsers provide mediocre performance (generally an order of magnitude better than IE7 but an order of magnitude slower than Chrome). The web is littered with various comparisons.

By your description of "performance" I can tell you do nothing even remotely like this. The performance metric you talk about is "how fast the page loads, weee!". And that's what I'd expect from a junior webmonkey when it comes to anything other than spewing out WTF littered code.

Also, I find the following comment highly hilarious: "Maybe your equipment sucks and that is what lets you see one." because it betrays your idiocy in stunning fashion. Do you need me to tell you why?

Houshyamama
06-26-2010, 03:24 PM
Anyone who uses Internet Explorer still needs to get with the ****ing program. Let me guess, you still have Netscape Navigator as well? Jesus Christ.

Netscape rocks. I use it to search altavista.com

Killericon
06-26-2010, 03:39 PM
I just bought/built this beauty.

http://images.roosterteeth.com/images/Killericon4c25c4abd9e49.jpg

Silverstone Fortress FT02b
AMD 955 Black Edition
Radeon 5850
4 GBs Patriot Memory
2TB Caviar Black
80 GB Intel SSD
24 Inch Samsung Primary Display
20 Inch Dell Secondary Display(Portrait)
Sidewinder X6 Keyboard, X8 Mouse
1000W Power Supply

Yeah, **** apple.

Mogulseeker
06-26-2010, 04:06 PM
Chrome for everything, except Safari for videos.

BroncsRule
06-26-2010, 05:48 PM
heh. "My bit is bigger than your bit".

ever notice how much time all you high powered web monkeys spend in this joint?

broncosteven
06-26-2010, 05:50 PM
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JavaScript in general sucks performance wise (hard not to with a scripting language) though there is a very pronounced difference in engine performance across browsers. Chrome beats them all, by one to two orders of magnitude. IE6 is useless but sadly a significant amount of people still use it. IE is pathetic but can be made to work. Other browsers provide mediocre performance (generally an order of magnitude better than IE7 but an order of magnitude slower than Chrome). The web is littered with various comparisons.
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Umm we are talking about IE8.