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Doggcow
06-23-2010, 09:20 PM
I just got Rebel from a Breeder yesterday. He is 8 months old. I wanted a little bit older so I wouldn't have to go through puppy problems. He's blowing coat right now, so he's a little pale, but he will fluff up and get more red in a week or so :)

And he is the ****.

That One Guy
06-23-2010, 09:35 PM
Nice dog. Interesting people still get dogs at breeders though. Not criticizing at all but was it a issue of a specific breed you wanted that made it worthwhile?

Also, pics are huge!

Doggcow
06-23-2010, 09:40 PM
Nice dog. Interesting people still get dogs at breeders though. Not criticizing at all but was it a issue of a specific breed you wanted that made it worthwhile?

Also, pics are huge!

Sorry about the big pics, didn't realize they'd be that big off my phone.

When you buy a dog from a breeder you aren't just buying a dog, you're buying superior genetics, along with having a decent idea what their temperament will be.

I'm not saying getting one from a breeder is better than one from the pound etc. Definitely better than Petco puppy farms though...

Also, I wanted a Shiba, and they essentially aren't available from anyone but a breeder.

Also included in my purchase price is lifetime kenneling, lifetime grooming, and lifetime daycare.

So why wouldn't YOU buy a dog from a breeder?

Steve Prefontaine
06-23-2010, 10:12 PM
nice pup. congrats man

Baba Booey
06-23-2010, 10:16 PM
Nice pup man. Cool name too.

That One Guy
06-23-2010, 10:21 PM
Sorry about the big pics, didn't realize they'd be that big off my phone.

When you buy a dog from a breeder you aren't just buying a dog, you're buying superior genetics, along with having a decent idea what their temperament will be.

I'm not saying getting one from a breeder is better than one from the pound etc. Definitely better than Petco puppy farms though...

Also, I wanted a Shiba, and they essentially aren't available from anyone but a breeder.

Also included in my purchase price is lifetime kenneling, lifetime grooming, and lifetime daycare.

So why wouldn't YOU buy a dog from a breeder?

The lifetime benefits are huge. That is something I've never heard of but it freakin' awesome.

And, again, I wasn't trying to take a shot but you just don't hear about folks paying hundreds of dollars for a dog like they once did. Very few dogs are used for anything more than a simple family pet so something from the pound is generally sufficient. For me and my family, we forego the superior genes in rabbit hunting dogs for the $20 dog where the fella down the road just had a litter. It's all about what you want and obviously the more educated you are on it, the more likely that it's beneficial to pay the extra for what you want. Just definitely seems breeding dogs isn't as profitable as it was 15 years ago.

Quoydogs
06-23-2010, 10:34 PM
Nice dog. Interesting people still get dogs at breeders though. Not criticizing at all but was it a issue of a specific breed you wanted that made it worthwhile?

Also, pics are huge!

I always buy pure breeds. I like to hunt and by getting a pure bred I can get exactly what I am looking for and I also find in my case, not in all cases that they have less health problems,.hip displasia(sp) ect...

My wiemaraner is 8 years old had a small skin allergy that was it and My Vizsla is 10 months with no problems as of yet.

I not saying mixed breeds are bad by any means just that Pure breeds have there place.
Here are couple of shots of my boys.

Oh and hey I like your dog. Does it have fox mixed in it?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=26757&stc=1&d=1277357606

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/attachment.php?attachmentid=26758&stc=1&d=1277357640

Lev Vyvanse
06-23-2010, 10:43 PM
So why wouldn't YOU buy a dog from a breeder?

The millions of dogs euthanized each year. Thats the only reason that comes to mind.

Donk
06-23-2010, 10:44 PM
Is there a pure breed dog?

Lev Vyvanse
06-23-2010, 10:50 PM
Is there a pure breed dog?

http://www.idahoreporter.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/wolf1.jpg

ZONA
06-23-2010, 10:56 PM
Easy boy, easy. Nice doggy.

http://www.blackfive.net/main/images/2007/09/28/angry_wolf.jpg

http://pzrservices.typepad.com/.a/6a00d83451ccbc69e2011571084339970c-250wi

Los Broncos
06-23-2010, 11:49 PM
Nice dog there, how long does it take for a dog like that to adjust to his new home?

tsiguy96
06-24-2010, 04:58 AM
The millions of dogs euthanized each year. Thats the only reason that comes to mind.

you do understand that breeders are really the only place you should get a new dog, right?

unless you are getting one from the pound, the breeder is the only place to buy a dog since they arent puppy farming them, you can see the parents, you know the dogs have been cared for etc.

HILife
06-24-2010, 05:01 AM
cute dog. i'm hunger.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
06-24-2010, 05:39 AM
you do understand that breeders are really the only place you should get a new dog, right?

unless you are getting one from the pound, the breeder is the only place to buy a dog since they arent puppy farming them, you can see the parents, you know the dogs have been cared for etc.

Uhhh, what? The only place to buy a dog is the breeder. Unless it's from the pound. Then it's okay too?

Both my dogs have been from the pound. They're great mixed-breed dogs, excellent temperament (much of that is nurture, not nature; it's hard work, but worth it), smart, and have been trained well by me.

HorseHead
06-24-2010, 05:56 AM
Shiba Inu's rule!! I've had two...let me know if you have any questions. Don't let him off that leash! They're 1/2 feral...if he see's a squirrel he's gone....

That One Guy
06-24-2010, 05:59 AM
Make sure we're not turning this guy's thread into a pound vs breeder moral debate. I was just curious why he went breeder and the benefits but it's his thread to show off his dogs, don't crap on it.

misturanderson
06-24-2010, 06:11 AM
I always buy pure breeds. I like to hunt and by getting a pure bred I can get exactly what I am looking for and I also find in my case, not in all cases that they have less health problems,.hip displasia(sp) ect...

While purebreds are probably the better way to go when you have a specific task (ie. hunting) in mind for them because they have been bred for that specific task, pure bred dogs certainly don't have fewer health problems, quite the opposite in fact. You will be less likely to get major health problems if you get them from a good breeder, but you are still choosing from a much smaller gene pool when you get a purebred and with that comes a host of hereditary health problems. Fortunately it sounds like you haven't experienced any of these.

Some breeds like german shepherds and doberman's are notoriously prone to genetic issues, while others aren't as much. It usually is a result of inbreeding years and years ago in the most popular lines.

That's not to say that mixed breed dogs don't have health problems caused by genetics, but it is much more rare.

And just an aside about hip dysplasia, while it definitely has a genetic component, there is also a major dietary component to it. Some dogs have a genetic predisposition to hip dysplasia and in the worst cases they will get it no matter what. Many dogs that have hip dysplasia though, have it because they were allowed to grow too fast by either not using large breed puppy food or by being fed too much as puppies. Many cases of hip dysplasia (and honestly most bone and joint problems in young dogs) can be prevented, or at least reduced in severity, by keeping puppies slightly underweight until they are fully grown.

Doggcow
06-24-2010, 01:18 PM
Is there a pure breed dog?

He is a pure breed Shiba Inu.

They are a Spitz breed so they do look like foxes, also the red coat.

cutthemdown
06-24-2010, 01:21 PM
Very close in genetics to my Jindo's Dogcow. Great dogs those spitz breeds are. Very hardy and loyal. My Jindo is 12 and has been to the vet exactly 1 time for an ear infection. She is still running but starting to hear things that aren't there etc etc sometimes. Probably can't see as well as she used to.

Man I am going to be depressed when my Tara passes on. She was born on same day as me and is named after Tara Lipinski when she won the gold in 1998.

Doggcow
06-24-2010, 01:22 PM
Nice dog there, how long does it take for a dog like that to adjust to his new home?

He's adjusting slowly. Yesterday (his first full day home) he was a little timid, spent most of the day watching me from the bedroom (where he slept). Today he's about 6 feet closer.

He has been exceptionally calm about the whole ordeal, just watching and taking the new place in. He's only moderately playful at this point, and I assume it's because he is still adjusting, he was pretty playful at the breeder's house.

cutthemdown
06-24-2010, 01:23 PM
While purebreds are probably the better way to go when you have a specific task (ie. hunting) in mind for them because they have been bred for that specific task, pure bred dogs certainly don't have fewer health problems, quite the opposite in fact. You will be less likely to get major health problems if you get them from a good breeder, but you are still choosing from a much smaller gene pool when you get a purebred and with that comes a host of hereditary health problems. Fortunately it sounds like you haven't experienced any of these.

Some breeds like german shepherds and doberman's are notoriously prone to genetic issues, while others aren't as much. It usually is a result of inbreeding years and years ago in the most popular lines.

That's not to say that mixed breed dogs don't have health problems caused by genetics, but it is much more rare.

And just an aside about hip dysplasia, while it definitely has a genetic component, there is also a major dietary component to it. Some dogs have a genetic predisposition to hip dysplasia and in the worst cases they will get it no matter what. Many dogs that have hip dysplasia though, have it because they were allowed to grow too fast by either not using large breed puppy food or by being fed too much as puppies. Many cases of hip dysplasia (and honestly most bone and joint problems in young dogs) can be prevented, or at least reduced in severity, by keeping puppies slightly underweight until they are fully grown.

Depends what breed you want. Some breeds have a reputation for genetic problems. The problems people worry about most from shelters is mental. You get crazy animals that aren't well adjusted.

cutthemdown
06-24-2010, 01:25 PM
He's adjusting slowly. Yesterday (his first full day home) he was a little timid, spent most of the day watching me from the bedroom (where he slept). Today he's about 6 feet closer.

He has been exceptionally calm about the whole ordeal, just watching and taking the new place in. He's only moderately playful at this point, and I assume it's because he is still adjusting, he was pretty playful at the breeder's house.

If they are like Jindos he is missing his home. They attach very fast. He will adjust though in time. I was the first human to hold my doggie so she bonded with me first. That's what I like about my dog. She loves people and remembers them, but if she doesn't know you she won't even take food from you.

Doggcow
06-24-2010, 01:31 PM
Very close in genetics to my Jindo's Dogcow. Great dogs those spitz breeds are. Very hardy and loyal. My Jindo is 12 and has been to the vet exactly 1 time for an ear infection. She is still running but starting to hear things that aren't there etc etc sometimes. Probably can't see as well as she used to.

Man I am going to be depressed when my Tara passes on. She was born on same day as me and is named after Tara Lipinski when she won the gold in 1998.

Yeah, his momma was the #1 Shiba in JKC history, dad has won a few AOM's etc.

Sire: Kairi Go Ryukyu Uruma
Dam: Tomi No Chaka Go Ryuukyuu Uruma

I got him a little older because she was going to show him, but he turned out a little more playful than she wanted. Going to be doing Agility training with him soon.

Doggcow
06-24-2010, 01:37 PM
If they are like Jindos he is missing his home. They attach very fast. He will adjust though in time. I was the first human to hold my doggie so she bonded with me first. That's what I like about my dog. She loves people and remembers them, but if she doesn't know you she won't even take food from you.

Yeah, like I said, i got mine a little older because he was going to be a show dog, and it works better for me (I get to skip the puppy chewing/annoying phase lol), but he will take a little longer to bond. He has already done pretty well to adjust, he already knows where his new home is, and has no problem leading me back at the end of a walk.

Blueflame
06-24-2010, 01:45 PM
The lifetime benefits are huge. That is something I've never heard of but it freakin' awesome.

And, again, I wasn't trying to take a shot but you just don't hear about folks paying hundreds of dollars for a dog like they once did. Very few dogs are used for anything more than a simple family pet so something from the pound is generally sufficient. For me and my family, we forego the superior genes in rabbit hunting dogs for the $20 dog where the fella down the road just had a litter. It's all about what you want and obviously the more educated you are on it, the more likely that it's beneficial to pay the extra for what you want. Just definitely seems breeding dogs isn't as profitable as it was 15 years ago.

Even from the pound, a dog is gonna cost around $100... we got our Brazilian mastiff from a rescue place and paid $150. He could very well be purebred... but that doesn't really matter to us; we just wanted a pet and because filas can be human-aggressive, one of the first things we did was to have him neutered. Right after ensuring that he'd had his shots (the people we got him from said he had, but there was no paperwork so we weren't taking any chances; he got 'em again).

cutthemdown
06-24-2010, 02:08 PM
Yeah, his momma was the #1 Shiba in JKC history, dad has won a few AOM's etc.

Sire: Kairi Go Ryukyu Uruma
Dam: Tomi No Chaka Go Ryuukyuu Uruma

I got him a little older because she was going to show him, but he turned out a little more playful than she wanted. Going to be doing Agility training with him soon.

dude you will be amazed. Since smaller then Jindos I imagine a little more agile....And Jindos are amazing. When my dog in her prime should could easily scale a 6 foot block wall, get on top of it and walk all the way down to other properties. Jindos are notoriously hard to train to get to stay in one spot. They are amazing and will never fail to come back lol. Eventually I put up lattice on top of fence to make the 8 feet.

She's killed more mice, rats, cats, birds, possums, squirrels then I can count and thats in the city just in her backyard.

Quick with cat like reflexes and agility is what you have in store for you with your dog.

When the Japanese invaded Korea the only dogs they felt worthy not to slaughter, eat, and make jackets out of were the jindos. They took them back to Japan and used them to breed into other dogs.

DenverFanMan6
06-24-2010, 03:01 PM
I just got a new puppy also he is an english bulldog

cutthemdown
06-24-2010, 03:15 PM
I just got a new puppy also he is an english bulldog

I love bull dogs but they short life expectancy just makes owning them so heart wrenching. Basically if go through a ton of health problems around 7-9 then they die.

Man what great dogs though. One of my favorite all time dogs was my friends Bulldog. Just an amazing animal that was more like a person then a dog.

DenverFanMan6
06-24-2010, 03:36 PM
They have great personalities its like hanging out with a person. He is also learning how to skateboard. I would post a picture of him but I cont from my phone