View Full Version : Hillary and Biden switch jobs? Sally Quinn won't let it go
BroncoBuff
06-21-2010, 07:03 AM
Sally Quinn's an excellent reporter, and she's repeated this a few times the past month.
Hillary Clinton should be Obama's vice president
by Sally Quinn
Friday, June 18, 2010
Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden should switch jobs.
Really.
It makes sense for the Democrats, actually. Clinton has done an incredible job as secretary of state. First of all, she has worked harder than anyone should ever be expected to. She has managed to do the impossible: She is the ambassador of the United States to the world, maintaining her credibility while playing the bad guy to President Obama's good guy, such as with North Korea, Iran and Israel, and still looking good. She has been a true team player. If Clinton is dissatisfied with her role, you would never know it. She has been loyal and supportive to the president and has maintained a good relationship with him and with others in the White House. If she is being left out of the policymaking, or being sent on trips to keep her out of town, she has not shown it. She is cheerful, thoughtful, serious and diligent. There are no horror stories about her coming out of the State Department. Most notable, though, is that Bill Clinton has not been the problem that so many anticipated. He has been supportive of her and of Obama, and he has stayed out of the limelight and been discreet about his own life.
In short, the arguments against Hillary Clinton being Obama's vice president have pretty much evaporated.
It would not be out of the question for Clinton and Biden to switch jobs sometime after the midterm elections. After the president announced the switch, majorities in both houses of Congress would have to confirm Clinton to her new position, following the rules laid out in the 25th Amendment. She could then immediately begin campaigning for Obama for 2012, and she would also have at least two years in the White House as vice president to give her unassailable experience, clout and credibility. For his part, Biden would simply need Senate confirmation to get to work in Foggy Bottom.
Another scenario is that Obama could wait and choose Hillary as his running mate for 2012 and then have her step down as secretary of state so she could start campaigning. The catch with that plan, however, is that it would make Biden a lame duck and Obama would probably have to appoint an interim secretary of state.
Take it seriously.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/06/17/AR2010061703463.html?hpid=opinionsbox1
BroncoBuff
06-21-2010, 07:04 AM
I'm for it.
Spider
06-21-2010, 07:51 AM
Biden as sec of state ? mm not wild about that
Hillary was the better choice for President
Requiem
06-21-2010, 10:32 AM
**** off Sally, write another article like this and we're bringing back buckshot Dick Cheney.
TonyR
06-22-2010, 07:32 AM
While on the subject of Hillary...
It’s easy to see why conservatives would be salivating at the thought of a Hillary primary challenge. Presidents who face serious primary challenges—Ford, Carter, Bush I—almost always lose. The last president who lost re-election without a serious primary challenge, by contrast, was Herbert Hoover. But in truth, the chances that Obama will face a primary challenge are vanishingly slim, and the chances that he will lose re-election only slightly higher. No wonder conservatives are fantasizing about Hillary Clinton taking down Barack Obama. If she doesn’t, it’s unlikely they will.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-21/hillary-clinton-to-challenge-obama-in-2012-dont-bet-on-it/
kappys
06-22-2010, 10:15 AM
The VP doesn't really do anything so the current situation is probably for the best
That One Guy
06-22-2010, 11:08 AM
As I haven't paid any attention to the next bout of elections yet, I didn't think about that scenario. Is Hillary going to run? Can she adequately do her job while taking the standard potshots at Obama that she did last time around? Would she sacrifice for good of the party?
Spider
06-22-2010, 12:52 PM
The VP doesn't really do anything so the current situation is probably for the best
LOL ........ I think the white house agrees ..........
cutthemdown
06-22-2010, 01:03 PM
No way the dems run anyone against Obama in the primary. At least no one supported by the national party. That would be unheard of for an incumbent to face a challenge from his own party...
Wouldn't it?
elsid13
06-22-2010, 02:59 PM
The real rumor is that Hillary will take over at Defense, when Gates leaves. Which supposedly appeals to her, because she would be the first female SECDEF.
broncocalijohn
06-22-2010, 06:10 PM
The VP doesn't really do anything so the current situation is probably for the best
exactly. So you will be remembered in the history books as the first woman VP, but the job is perfect for Biden. S of S has more influence.
Biden as Sec of State? :rofl: :rofl:
VP is the only place that guy can get away with his moronic adlibs. Obama's apology tours would take on a whole new meaning if this happened.
BroncoBuff
06-22-2010, 08:53 PM
Biden as Sec of State? :rofl: :rofl:
VP is the only place that guy can get away with his moronic adlibs. Obama's apology tours would take on a whole new meaning if this happened.
You obviously know nothing about Biden's career. Big shock.
BroncoBuff
06-22-2010, 08:55 PM
While on the subject of Hillary...
It’s easy to see why conservatives would be salivating at the thought of a Hillary primary challenge. Presidents who face serious primary challenges—Ford, Carter, Bush I—almost always lose. The last president who lost re-election without a serious primary challenge, by contrast, was Herbert Hoover. But in truth, the chances that Obama will face a primary challenge are vanishingly slim, and the chances that he will lose re-election only slightly higher. No wonder conservatives are fantasizing about Hillary Clinton taking down Barack Obama. If she doesn’t, it’s unlikely they will.
http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-06-21/hillary-clinton-to-challenge-obama-in-2012-dont-bet-on-it/
A Hillary primary challenge?
Chance zero.
epicSocialism4tw
06-22-2010, 08:57 PM
The Obama admin is on its way out, so Hillary is best served by putting distance between herself and the blooming disaster that is the Obama admin.
BroncoBuff
06-22-2010, 09:57 PM
The Obama admin is on its way out, so Hillary is best served by putting distance between herself and the blooming disaster that is the Obama admin.
What a naive, foolish statement.
You obviously either:
a) have no experience with presidential election politics,
b) you don't understand the experience you do have, or,
c) you have some form of amnesia.
Which is it? Because nobody knows jack-crap yet about what will happen in 2012. Little history here McGriddle: One year before the 1992 election, GHW Bush had the highest approval ratings of any president IN HISTORY, no high profile Democrat would run. Then the economy started sliding ... the came Ross Perot ... and before you know it, a barely known governor from Arkansas won. In 1976, George Wallace had the Southern primaries and this the nomination in his pocket ... but suddenly there were health setbacks, and a barely known governor from Georgia won. 13 months before the 2008 election, you couldn't find a soul on Earth who would bet against a Hillary-Giuliani general. Even Hillary's campaign believed it, campaigning early against Rudy, and leaving late-primary states understaffed.
So to pretend, here, TWO years and five months out, is the height of naivete.
LEARN, DAMMIT! LEARN!
epicSocialism4tw
06-22-2010, 10:00 PM
What a naive, foolish statement.
You obviously either:
a) have no experience with presidential election politics,
b) you don't understand the experience you do have, or,
c) you have some form of amnesia.
Which is it? Because nobody knows jack-crap yet about what will happen in 2012. Little history here McGriddle: One year before the 1992 election, GHW Bush had the highest approval ratings of any president IN HISTORY, no high profile Democrat would run. Then the economy started sliding ... the came Ross Perot ... and before you know it, a barely known governor from Arkansas won. In 1976, George Wallace was thought to have the Southern primaries in his pocket ... but health concerns cropped up suddenly, and a barely known governor from Georgia won. 13 months before the 2008 election, you couldn't find a soul on Earth who would bet against a Hillary-Giuliani general. Even Hillary's campaign believed it, campaigning early against Rudy, and leaving late-primary states understaffed.
So to pretend, here, TWO years and five months out, is the height of naivete.
LEARN, DAMMIT! LEARN!
My statement will prove to be true over time. Remember, you heard it here first...Hillary will distance herself from Obama. I'll accept your apology when you finally realize that I'm right.
Requiem
06-22-2010, 10:02 PM
Who cares if you are right? You have a 50 percent chance. Way to roll against the odds.
BroncoBuff
06-22-2010, 10:05 PM
Whatever. You didn't say she would "distance herself," you said Obama was already on his way out.
Whatever, I think time has proven one thing: Hillary Clinton is pretty incredible. She was an awesome Senator, and she is an awesome Secy of State. You can't find one person at State that has a single negative word to say. She is smart, wise and practical ... and a tireless worker. She should have won in 2008 ... I love Obama, but Hillary was the right choice. A Clinton/Obama ticket would have been perfect, then Obama could have learned and experienced before his turn. Right about now it looks like he needed some experience.
epicSocialism4tw
06-22-2010, 10:08 PM
Whatever. You didn't say she would "distance herself," you said Obama was already on his way out.
Whatever, I think time has proven one thing: Hillary Clinton is pretty incredible. She was an awesome Senator, and she is an awesome Secy of State. You can't find one person at State that has a single negative word to say. She is smart, wise and practical ... and a tireless worker. She should have won in 2008 ... I love Obama, but Hillary was the right choice. A Clinton/Obama ticket would have been perfect, then Obama could have learned and experienced before his turn. Right about now it looks like he needed some experience.
Goodness, man...quit with the slobber fest. Hillary has had her fair share of gaffes and mistakes. She is smart enough to know that Obama's ship is tanking as we speak, and that she has a chance to move him aside.
Requiem
06-22-2010, 10:08 PM
James Buchanon had all the experience in the world and that turdball was one of the worst men ever, Buff!
Florida_Bronco
06-22-2010, 10:09 PM
My statement will prove to be true over time.
Bobo has a better track record of predictions than you do.
epicSocialism4tw
06-22-2010, 10:09 PM
Obama will not serve a second term.
epicSocialism4tw
06-22-2010, 10:10 PM
Bobo has a better track record of predictions than you do.
Actually, I have a pretty good record of predictions on this site. :strong:
I wouldnt expect you to have any idea what you are talking about though.
Requiem
06-22-2010, 10:11 PM
Obama will not serve a second term.
Not consecutively. He's gonna Grover Cleveland it out. America can only take so much of his greatness at once.
Requiem
06-22-2010, 10:13 PM
Actually, I have a pretty good record of predictions on this site. :strong:
I wouldnt expect you to have any idea what you are talking about though.
You probably think Teapot Dome was a place Warren Harding went to go get his breakfast. **** you!
Florida_Bronco
06-22-2010, 10:13 PM
Actually, I have a pretty good record of predictions on this site. :strong:
Clearly.
And the Number 1 Forum Loser for the Summer of 2006: Angry Llama
Why he sucks: Biggest drama king on the Mane. Biggest poser on the Mane. Bizarre compulsion to immerse himself in mindless hype over this week's favorite athlete. Author of spectacular hissy fit meltdowns when his teams inevitably choke. No sense of perspective or slightest inkling of how he's perceived on this board.
Defining moment: Predicting a sweep for the Mavs in The Finals and then disappearing for several days after they inevitably choked.
Good points: His transparent and pretentious affectations, and inability to handle defeat like an adult, make him ripe for parody.
Potential for redemption: I hope he never changes.
Requiem
06-22-2010, 10:18 PM
Angry Llama is McSkillet? Christ, I never knew. I should have known.
Florida_Bronco
06-22-2010, 10:19 PM
Angry Llama is McSkillet? Christ, I never knew. I should have known.
Yes sir.
Not consecutively. He's gonna Grover Cleveland it out. America can only take so much of his greatness at once.
Grover is the greatest Democrat in history and one of the greatest presidents ever.
Though the current party and certainly Obama bares carry no resemblence to his greatest.
epicSocialism4tw
06-22-2010, 10:21 PM
Clearly.
Aw, isnt that cute?
Slap, the creator of that thread, had serious problems. That thread was about the people that he couldnt handle. It was especially fun to watch him tie himself up in knots trying to deal with the daily beatings that Gonzolays handed him with ease. When he was backed into a corner like a scared, pitiful old man, he would resort to things like that and all of these weird man/boy love scenarios that he knew way too much about. That loser had nothing but his dog, and evidently his dog had enough of him to give up the ghost ASAP. I tried to be nice to the old coot after I made his head explode, but he wouldnt have it. I think that that's why he resorted to the second-grade tactics. He's probably a sex offender or an ex con of some sort stuck to an ankle bracelet...just your type.
BroncoBuff
06-22-2010, 10:22 PM
Who cares if you are right? You have a 50 percent chance. Way to roll against the odds.
Definitely .... but James Buchanon? hmmm...
All I'm saying is lately here Obama's lack of experience is showing. His response pattern on both the Arizona law and the BP spill both seem poorly planned and awkwardly executed.
And in reality, both of these incidents were HUGE political opportunities. With the right response ... fast, tough, loud and on the ground early, he could have made a name for himself. Timid, slow and quiet were the wrong ways to respond.
You obviously know nothing about Biden's career. Big shock.
You talking about the plagarism part?
Nice guy, should run a hardware store or a corner bar but certainly not a country.
Requiem
06-22-2010, 10:22 PM
Grover is the greatest Democrat in history and one of the greatest presidents ever.
Though the current party and certainly Obama bares carry no resemblence to his greatest.
James K. Polk just might have somethin' to say about that, jerk!
Requiem
06-22-2010, 10:26 PM
Definitely .... but James Buchanon? hmmm...
All I'm saying is lately here Obama's lack of experience is showing. His response pattern on both the Arizona law and the BP spill both seem poorly planned and awkwardly executed.
And in reality, both of these incidents were HUGE political opportunities. With the right response ... fast, tough, loud and on the ground early, he could have made his name. Timid, slow and quiet are te wrong way to respond.
You should be a better student of history Buff. Then you would know why I brought up James Buchanon.
You talked about experience, and how Hillary (guessing in your eyes) had more. Thus, Obama was better suited to take the VP role with Clinton in command, subsequently learn the ropes, and then be suited to run down the road after her time was gone.
I offered you the name of a President who had extensive experience in all areas of government, but by in large, was a failure of a President and is widely regarded as one of, if not the biggest bum to hold down the White House.
Experience hardly dictates success in Presidential politics.
That was what I was getting at.
BroncoBuff
06-22-2010, 10:34 PM
I'm a better student than you might guess ... I know Buchanan was our only homosexual president.
As far as "worst" president ... Franklin Pierce was worse than him. Both those guys were even worse than W.
Requiem
06-22-2010, 10:37 PM
Pierce sucked balls too. Pierce, Harding and Buchanon. Holding Satan's hand in Hell.
BroncoBuff
06-22-2010, 10:41 PM
Pierce sucked balls too. Pierce, Harding and Buchanon. Holding Satan's hand in Hell.
GW will join them soon .... so much blood on his hands.
Christian my ass.
Requiem
06-22-2010, 10:44 PM
Apparently you missed South Park. Mormons go to Heaven. Did we ever have a Mormon president?
BroncoBuff
06-22-2010, 11:02 PM
Nope. George Romney was kinda close ... Mitt's the 2012 GOP frontrunner right now.
Requiem
06-22-2010, 11:05 PM
If Mitt is the best the GOP has to offer in 2012, they might as well **** on a stamp, lick it and send Obama's letter of victory in right now. Dude is a ho.
BroncoBuff
06-22-2010, 11:25 PM
This country sucks so much now .... every country does.
I'm sick of all the crap politics, nobody has a shred of courage anymore. The VJ kissing photo woman died today. F it all, I'm starting a bitch-thread, the rest of this crap complaining is just a waste of time.
Spider
06-22-2010, 11:30 PM
You probably think Teapot Dome was a place Warren Harding went to go get his breakfast. **** you!
:rofl:..........I live in the tea pot dome here ...........mega rep:thumbs:
broncocalijohn
06-23-2010, 12:50 AM
Aw, isnt that cute?
Slap, the creator of that thread, had serious problems. That thread was about the people that he couldnt handle. It was especially fun to watch him tie himself up in knots trying to deal with the daily beatings that Gonzolays handed him with ease.
while i wasnt a slap supporter, you should never try to win an argument with bringing Gonzolays on your side. That dude was probably top 5 douchebags of all time at the Mane.
TonyR
06-23-2010, 06:14 AM
Obama will not serve a second term.
So which stellar GOP candidate are you backing? Sarah Palin? I actually like a lot of things about that phoney Mitt Romney but I probably dislike just as many. Is he your guy, perhaps? Neither can beat Obama unless the economy is still a huge mess.
Garcia Bronco
06-23-2010, 06:26 AM
At this point I think Hillary would have been the better choice for President out of all the candidates.
TonyR
06-23-2010, 10:58 AM
Biden as Sec of State?
VP is the only place that guy can get away with his moronic adlibs.
Funny that you make fun of Biden, right out of the rightard playbook. If Biden's approach to Afghanistan had been followed, for example, we wouldn't be in this mess.
His suggestion was to contain Afghan radicalism, draw down forces and continue drone strikes on militant targets throughout the greater Af-Pak region. If you support such a strategy (as I do, albeit reluctantly), then you certainly aren't concerned about dressing Afghanistan up as a functional democracy, because it clearly isn't one.
http://www.realclearworld.com/blog/2010/06/mcchrystal_and_the_coindinista.html