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Tombstone RJ
06-18-2010, 07:40 PM
Not sure if this has been posted or not:

http://detnews.com/article/20100617/SPORTS0101/6170496/1126/rss14#ixzz0rFKAH8Xb

I always thought the owners resisted a longer regular season schedule because the preseason games were all profit, that is, the owners go ticket revenue but didn't have to pay players reg. season money.

Now the owners are pushing for a 18 game reg. season and that can only mean one thing: expanded rosters. Not sure how this will help current players but if the roster expands, so will the cap. In essence, owners seem to be saying "ok" to salary cap expansion.

BlaK-Argentina
06-18-2010, 07:42 PM
I think 16 is perfect. Stop messing with the league damnit! It's fine the way it is!

Bronco Boy
06-18-2010, 08:30 PM
Yeah, more games is just ridiculous considering how many injuries there are already.

Tombstone RJ
06-18-2010, 10:04 PM
Yeah, more games is just ridiculous considering how many injuries there are already.

I'm all for it if they expand the rosters. There's enough good players out there to expand the rosters and add depth. 4 preseason games is too much. I'd love it if the regular season just started two weeks earlier. If they do add two games to the reg season then that means one additional bye week for each team. Basically it's an expanded season which I kinda like.

baja
06-18-2010, 10:10 PM
bump

save this thread ;D

Bronco Boy
06-18-2010, 10:16 PM
I'm all for it if they expand the rosters. There's enough good players out there to expand the rosters and add depth. 4 preseason games is too much. I'd love it if the regular season just started two weeks earlier. If they do add two games to the reg season then that means one additional bye week for each team. Basically it's an expanded season which I kinda like.

But don't you think expanding the rosters degrades the level of competition?

baja
06-18-2010, 10:21 PM
I'm all for it if they expand the rosters. There's enough good players out there to expand the rosters and add depth. 4 preseason games is too much. I'd love it if the regular season just started two weeks earlier. If they do add two games to the reg season then that means one additional bye week for each team. Basically it's an expanded season which I kinda like.

I agree that is the most likely course of action for the league but will changing two preseason games to regular games really bring in that much more money? They already charge full price for season ticket holders for the pre season games. I guess the TV rights would be a nice chunk of change.

Anyway I hope they do that.

HAT
06-18-2010, 10:33 PM
If they do add two games to the reg season then that means one additional bye week for each team. Basically it's an expanded season which I kinda like.

A 18 game, 20 week season with 2 byes would be awesome. The extra bye week could pave the way for full time Thursday night football.

TheChamp24
06-18-2010, 10:54 PM
No need to expand rosters IMO, what are you talking about all this talent out there? Talent to be a #5 WR? Marcus Nash talent out there?

I've heard the expand to 18 game rumor, as well as adding a NFL Developmental league. Personally, the NFL doesn't really need a NFL Developmental league. Who would watch it, how would it really help?

cutthemdown
06-18-2010, 11:20 PM
Even without 2 extra real games coaches and teams could use IMO at least 5 more players dressed and available on Sundays. This will make it easier for a coaches to sit injured players.

How about 10 extra players on roster, and 5 of those can dress on Sundays. That would add 320 players to the NFL and a lot of jobs for the players union. Then make a rookie salary cap etc etc and throw some bones back to owners.

Bronco Boy
06-18-2010, 11:22 PM
Even without 2 extra real games coaches and teams could use IMO at least 5 more players dressed and available on Sundays. This will make it easier for a coaches to sit injured players.

How about 10 extra players on roster, and 5 of those can dress on Sundays. That would add 320 players to the NFL and a lot of jobs for the players union. Then make a rookie salary cap etc etc and throw some bones back to owners.

But adding 320 players to the NFL would make the viewing experience crappier by about 320 knots.

cutthemdown
06-18-2010, 11:32 PM
But adding 320 players to the NFL would make the viewing experience crappier by about 320 knots.

I disagree there are a lot of players coaches wish they didn't have to cut. Young ones you can groom etc etc. Older vets maybe that have a couple yrs still to give get to keep playing rather then being cut to make room for a younger player you can't afford to cut.

Mostly it's about money, not the level of play.

sisterhellfyre
06-18-2010, 11:36 PM
A 18 game, 20 week season with 2 byes would be awesome.

True, but in that case, I don't want to hear any more about how great the running-back-du-jour is when he gets 1,000 yards for the season. That's barely 56 yards a game. That conversation should just begin with someone who can rack up 1500+ in an 18-game season.

So many records will be so inflated that any year with less than 16 games will be meaningless -- if it isn't already, because of rules changes that alter the nature of the game. Personally, I don't want to hear about season total stats for an 18-game season. Let's talk instead about a runner's average yards per game over the season, or a receiver's touchdown score ratio per catch. That at least comes closer to giving us some decent stats for comparison.

cutthemdown
06-18-2010, 11:42 PM
Coaches always ask to be able to dress more players. The notion there isn't talent out there is joke. Most certainly some really good talent for whatever reason never makes in the NFL. Easily there are 300 good athletes who could play some football in the NFL. Is Walter Payton out there? no probably not but for sure some good bkups and special teamers.

By adding players you could get starters off special teams etc etc, have more specialists, have more depth to groom.

In the end with the added 300 players some of those would improve and become really good players.

I would bet all my money that if you added 300 players that wouldn't normally be in NFL because of roster sizes, that at least a few would become stars.

broncocalijohn
06-19-2010, 01:19 AM
Even without 2 extra real games coaches and teams could use IMO at least 5 more players dressed and available on Sundays. This will make it easier for a coaches to sit injured players.

How about 10 extra players on roster, and 5 of those can dress on Sundays. That would add 320 players to the NFL and a lot of jobs for the players union. Then make a rookie salary cap etc etc and throw some bones back to owners.

bad enough we have the jaguars and now you want to add the arena football guys like Marcus Nash to the league. Oh, puhleeeeaze!

Add two games and have them played on the road somewhere as a neutral site. Los Angeles, San Antonio, Birmingham, Toronto and I hear Detroit is looking for some pro football action too.

Killericon
06-19-2010, 01:47 AM
Don't mess with success, idiots.

Atwater His Ass
06-19-2010, 01:52 AM
Don't mess with success, idiots.

Success is defined by dollars. Playing 2 more regular season games = more dollars and blasts open the door for more oversea regular season games which = even more dollars.

Killericon
06-19-2010, 01:54 AM
Success is defined by dollars. Playing 2 more regular season games = more dollars and blasts open the door for more oversea regular season games which = even more dollars.

You're right, but my point is that expanding the season could have unforseen consequences. Things are great as they are now, I don't see why people are looking at the NFL and saying "We need to change things".

Except rookie salaries.

cutthemdown
06-19-2010, 02:19 AM
bad enough we have the jaguars and now you want to add the arena football guys like Marcus Nash to the league. Oh, puhleeeeaze!

Add two games and have them played on the road somewhere as a neutral site. Los Angeles, San Antonio, Birmingham, Toronto and I hear Detroit is looking for some pro football action too.

I just don't see it as a big deal. It would only mean a few players as bkups, special teams guys. There are a lot of players that are about the same. Some make some don't based a lot on numbers game. You make it sound like I say expand the number of teams which I didn't say.

cutthemdown
06-19-2010, 02:21 AM
Oh and just so people know coaches in the NFL would love 5 extra players on Sunday. They already have players they can't activate they would like to. The whole notion 5 more active players on Sundays would make the talent get diluted is a joke.

Most of you couldn't pick the pro's from the almost pro's on a field without numbers to tell you who was who.

Bunch of experts on talent we have huh?

Broncoman13
06-19-2010, 05:43 AM
But adding 320 players to the NFL would make the viewing experience crappier by about 320 knots.

How so? The casual fan wouldn't notice the extra players. Could be that a team is inclined to keep a couple extra specialists that they normally wouldn't keep. A Kickoff Specialist to go along with their FG Kicker. Or a truly dedicated return specialist. That extra FB we've been needing for a long time... one deeper in those positions with more frequent injuries.

Then basically it's all of your regular roster competing against another team's regular roster with three or four additional players that may or may not even see the field. So how exactly does that make our viewing experience "Crappier"? I think you're being a little emotional Nancy.

Broncoman13
06-19-2010, 06:01 AM
Think of it this way. It would allow a team like the 2009 Jets to win a couple extra games at the end of the season, win their division and host a Playoff game or two.... or it could allow a team like the Broncos to finish 2-10 instead of 2-8 and have a 8-10 record. The only thing that will be weird about this and it will only last a year or two (for me anyway) is adding up the total games to 18 instead of 16. I always look back at the 14 game season and think, they were weird to play only 14 games a season. 18 seems like a lot.


So with 18 games, is it fair to say that 1200 is the new 1000? As in yards rushing.

4500 is the new 4000? Yards passing.

What will it do to the record books?

I think LT's TD record is safe for a little while, but with 18 games, the single season rushing records and passing records are immediately in the crosshairs. If I had to guess who would break those records, Ray Rice and Drew Brees... but there are a number of players that can battle for those records. AD, Rice, Turner, and then the more obvious ones in Steven Jackson and Chris Johnson. As for QBs, Aaron Rodgers, Schaub, Manning, Rivers, Romo, Brady... it would be year one on this one as QBs generally stay more healthy than RBs and put up more consistent numbers.

broncogary
06-19-2010, 06:55 AM
bad enough we have the jaguars and now you want to add the arena football guys like Marcus Nash to the league. Oh, puhleeeeaze!

Add two games and have them played on the road somewhere as a neutral site. Los Angeles, San Antonio, Birmingham, Toronto and I hear Detroit is looking for some pro football action too.

Be careful! You know the jinx.

That One Guy
06-19-2010, 07:08 AM
As it is, teams everywhere are going to RB by committee because it's too hard to keep one healthy for the whole season. We'll start to see even more injuries when you take a team who has played together less in training camps and make those early games full speed.

Adding more players starts to take away the roster crunch strategies. Currently versatile players occasionally stay over slightly more talented or players with more potential as the roster forces you to pick. That strategy is part of the game. Add 5 more people and you should see that roster crunch almost completely disappear.

NFL is perfect where it's at. It's a good balance. I really hope they don't mess with it.

Garcia Bronco
06-19-2010, 07:16 AM
16 games is fine the way it is. This is all about money, but I don't think you would see the cap expand. The owners are going to get their money back and reduce the cap. It's too high, and the people that pay in the end are the fans. It's time for a rookie cap to protect vets and the owners should lock them put if the have too.

Bronco Boy
06-19-2010, 08:01 AM
Think of it this way. It would allow a team like the 2009 Jets to win a couple extra games at the end of the season, win their division and host a Playoff game or two.... or it could allow a team like the Broncos to finish 2-10 instead of 2-8 and have a 8-10 record. The only thing that will be weird about this and it will only last a year or two (for me anyway) is adding up the total games to 18 instead of 16. I always look back at the 14 game season and think, they were weird to play only 14 games a season. 18 seems like a lot.


So with 18 games, is it fair to say that 1200 is the new 1000? As in yards rushing.

4500 is the new 4000? Yards passing.

What will it do to the record books?

I think LT's TD record is safe for a little while, but with 18 games, the single season rushing records and passing records are immediately in the crosshairs. If I had to guess who would break those records, Ray Rice and Drew Brees... but there are a number of players that can battle for those records. AD, Rice, Turner, and then the more obvious ones in Steven Jackson and Chris Johnson. As for QBs, Aaron Rodgers, Schaub, Manning, Rivers, Romo, Brady... it would be year one on this one as QBs generally stay more healthy than RBs and put up more consistent numbers.

But WHY do you need to do all of that? It seems unnecessary.

eddie mac
06-19-2010, 09:02 AM
About time too. It's a standing joke around the world of sport that a team can win a supposed World Title every year by only playing 19 games. They should be playing a minimum of 30 games a season, rugby players play far more without the pads and for 80 mins each time.

barryr
06-19-2010, 09:11 AM
I have been in favor of at least making all 53 players available to play in games. This putting players inactive for games is so stupid.

As for more games, I'm ok with as long as cutting preseason games. I mean, teams pretty much know who is going to make their teams before preseason and the rest is usually just a battle for special teams spots.

Cito Pelon
06-19-2010, 09:22 AM
You're right, but my point is that expanding the season could have unforseen consequences. Things are great as they are now, I don't see why people are looking at the NFL and saying "We need to change things".

Except rookie salaries.

Things are not "great as they are now". There's an impending strike/lockout.

If this 18 game schedule and expanded roster can get negotiations moving, maybe that's a good thing.

I have no idea if it's a good thing, but obviously there needs to be some movement in the negotiations. Yes, there will definitely be some unforeseen consequences, as there was the last time the CBA was signed. Both sides compromised to avoid a work stoppage, put off the nagging issues for a few years. Now the same nagging issues have come up again, so some creativity maybe will settle some issues.

Cito Pelon
06-19-2010, 09:51 AM
About time too. It's a standing joke around the world of sport that a team can win a supposed World Title every year by only playing 19 games. They should be playing a minimum of 30 games a season, rugby players play far more without the pads and for 80 mins each time.

Yeah, but those other sports don't go for the knees as much as in the NFL. I bet 80% of the injuries in the NFL are from "lower-extremity" injuries, i.e., knees and ankles.

Actually, seriously, I'm a proponent of removing the facemasks from NFL helmets. We'll see a heck of a lot less lower-extremity injuries, more pure tackling, less spearing.

We'll certainly see less diving at a player's knees to tackle or block, since a knee to an unprotected face .. . .. well, you get the picture.

If you don't have that facemask, you tackle high, you maneuver to tackle from the side, or you make a body tackle. No doubt about it. Otherwise you get a knee or foot pounded into your face.

Rabb
06-19-2010, 09:51 AM
True, but in that case, I don't want to hear any more about how great the running-back-du-jour is when he gets 1,000 yards for the season. That's barely 56 yards a game. That conversation should just begin with someone who can rack up 1500+ in an 18-game season.

So many records will be so inflated that any year with less than 16 games will be meaningless -- if it isn't already, because of rules changes that alter the nature of the game. Personally, I don't want to hear about season total stats for an 18-game season. Let's talk instead about a runner's average yards per game over the season, or a receiver's touchdown score ratio per catch. That at least comes closer to giving us some decent stats for comparison.

Couldn't we then say the same thing about records broken up until now with the 16 game format versus 14 before?

I am all for expansion of the schedule, 4 preseason games is way too much anymore, may as well make them count. Besides, with OTAs, mini camps and training camp plus 2 games coaches and staff have plenty to base roster moves on before the season, they don't need 4 games...especially where one is almost a starting roster regular game anyhow as it is.

I think the injury argument is just blown out of proportion personally.

eddie mac
06-19-2010, 11:57 AM
Yeah, but those other sports don't go for the knees as much as in the NFL. I bet 80% of the injuries in the NFL are from "lower-extremity" injuries, i.e., knees and ankles.

Actually, seriously, I'm a proponent of removing the facemasks from NFL helmets. We'll see a heck of a lot less lower-extremity injuries, more pure tackling, less spearing.

We'll certainly see less diving at a player's knees to tackle or block, since a knee to an unprotected face .. . .. well, you get the picture.

If you don't have that facemask, you tackle high, you maneuver to tackle from the side, or you make a body tackle. No doubt about it. Otherwise you get a knee or foot pounded into your face.

Surely if that is indeed the case then the NFL need to look at what causes the numerous knee injuries. Is it the playing surface, equipment used by players in games (cleats, helmets, knee padding etc etc), or general bad conditioning.

I do not know English rugby inside out but Union is just as rough as the NFL and I never hear about half the injuries in that game compared to our league.

Maybe the NFL is far too focused on size nowadays than athletic ability and these big guys are the ones picking up the injuries cos they push themselves too hard and too fast for the bodies they have to earn that extra $10m in superfast time???

NFLBRONCO
06-19-2010, 12:04 PM
18 games is great for a young team with a young QB or offense. I think it hurts a SB ready team more risk of key injuries and two more weeks of resting players for playoffs. Imagine a team as a number one seed having a month off waiting for first playoff game.

eddie mac
06-19-2010, 12:13 PM
I dunno about the rest of you but I'd love football (NFL) 9 months of the year. Give them a three month break in between over the good weather months when their kids are off school. Then have a one month training camp including pre-season games, then start the regular season, then have a 2-3 week break over Christmas/New Year once again for these guys to spend time with loved ones, then back on the grind for the rest of the season including playoffs, 16 make the playoffs. Division winners and 4 wild cards for each conference. No byes for teams 1 v 8 and so on.

I'd also introduce a new non-playoff team competition format for the 1st rd draft pick down to 16 where the non-playoff teams face each other for the 1st rd draft pick, so team 32 does not pick first in the draft, team 17 does. The NFL guarnered revenue from these playoffs is given to the winning team towards their 1st rd pick, hence the incentive to win it.

So the format would look something like this

August - Training Camp and Pre-season = 2 games
Sept-Mid December 1st part of reg season = 14 games (1 week bye)
Mid December-Start of January = Time off
Start of January-Mid April = 14 games (1 week bye)
Mid April-Mid May = 4 games playoffs + Superbowl/Draft Pick Bowl
Mid May-July - End of season break

Teams play minimum of 29 games, maximum of 32.

Revenue at least doubled given new format and additional games.

Players get additional 50% payrises across the board for the additional playing time. Rosters increased to 60 full, and 50 for gamedays.

Just my idea of the ideal NFL and to stop me getting bored ****less from Feb-Aug bar draft week.

Tombstone RJ
06-19-2010, 12:23 PM
Yeah, but those other sports don't go for the knees as much as in the NFL. I bet 80% of the injuries in the NFL are from "lower-extremity" injuries, i.e., knees and ankles.

Actually, seriously, I'm a proponent of removing the facemasks from NFL helmets. We'll see a heck of a lot less lower-extremity injuries, more pure tackling, less spearing.

We'll certainly see less diving at a player's knees to tackle or block, since a knee to an unprotected face .. . .. well, you get the picture.

If you don't have that facemask, you tackle high, you maneuver to tackle from the side, or you make a body tackle. No doubt about it. Otherwise you get a knee or foot pounded into your face.

Why not just make knee braces mandatory equipment? This would eliminate a lot of the knee injuries.

Cito Pelon
06-19-2010, 12:26 PM
Surely if that is indeed the case then the NFL need to look at what causes the numerous knee injuries. Is it the playing surface, equipment used by players in games (cleats, helmets, knee padding etc etc), or general bad conditioning.

I do not know English rugby inside out but Union is just as rough as the NFL and I never hear about half the injuries in that game compared to our league.

Maybe the NFL is far too focused on size nowadays than athletic ability and these big guys are the ones picking up the injuries cos they push themselves too hard and too fast for the bodies they have to earn that extra $10m in superfast time???

The knee injuries are because players aren't afraid to stick their nose into a tackle. The reason they're not afraid to stick their nose into a tackle is because their nose is protected from being broken by a facemask.

It's easy to tackle face first with a face mask, no way no how you tackle face first without a face mask. No way. Do you want to tackle somebody at the knees without some face protection? Rugby players don't. Why? Because they'll get their face mashed in.

Tombstone RJ
06-19-2010, 12:27 PM
I dunno about the rest of you but I'd love football (NFL) 9 months of the year. Give them a three month break in between over the good weather months when their kids are off school. Then have a one month training camp including pre-season games, then start the regular season, then have a 2-3 week break over Christmas/New Year once again for these guys to spend time with loved ones, then back on the grind for the rest of the season including playoffs, 16 make the playoffs. Division winners and 4 wild cards for each conference. No byes for teams 1 v 8 and so on.

I'd also introduce a new non-playoff team competition format for the 1st rd draft pick down to 16 where the non-playoff teams face each other for the 1st rd draft pick, so team 32 does not pick first in the draft, team 17 does. The NFL guarnered revenue from these playoffs is given to the winning team towards their 1st rd pick, hence the incentive to win it.

So the format would look something like this

August - Training Camp and Pre-season = 2 games
Sept-Mid December 1st part of reg season = 14 games (1 week bye)
Mid December-Start of January = Time off
Start of January-Mid April = 14 games (1 week bye)
Mid April-Mid May = 4 games playoffs + Superbowl/Draft Pick Bowl
Mid May-July - End of season break

Teams play minimum of 29 games, maximum of 32.

Revenue at least doubled given new format and additional games.

Players get additional 50% payrises across the board for the additional playing time. Rosters increased to 60 full, and 50 for gamedays.

Just my idea of the ideal NFL and to stop me getting bored ****less from Feb-Aug bar draft week.

:thumbs:

Tombstone RJ
06-19-2010, 12:32 PM
The knee injuries are because players aren't afraid to stick their nose into a tackle. The reason they're not afraid to stick their nose into a tackle is because their nose is protected from being broken by a facemask.

It's easy to tackle face first with a face mask, no way no how you tackle face first without a face mask. No way. Do you want to tackle somebody at the knees without some face protection? Rugby players don't. Why? Because they'll get their face mashed in.

Proper technique is to see what you are hitting. Taking away the facemask is not an option. There is a reason facemasks have become more complex/intricate over the years and it's due to the violent nature of the game. If offensive and defensive lineman had no face masks then there is no way the the game would survive.

Cito Pelon
06-19-2010, 12:38 PM
Why not just make knee braces mandatory equipment? This would eliminate a lot of the knee injuries.

That's a weapon as much as a facemask is. If I was playing and had a metal weapon I'd be using it. I'd want a metal kneecap pad so I could deliver a blow, maybe a metal thigh pad.

My original point was to LESSEN the majority of injuries that slow the NFL down, i.e., knee and ankle injuries, not increase injuries in other areas by making more weapons available. I was thinking the object is to make the NFL less like Rollerball, not more like Rollerball.

baja
06-19-2010, 12:38 PM
Yeah, but those other sports don't go for the knees as much as in the NFL. I bet 80% of the injuries in the NFL are from "lower-extremity" injuries, i.e., knees and ankles.

Actually, seriously, I'm a proponent of removing the facemasks from NFL helmets. We'll see a heck of a lot less lower-extremity injuries, more pure tackling, less spearing.

We'll certainly see less diving at a player's knees to tackle or block, since a knee to an unprotected face .. . .. well, you get the picture.

If you don't have that facemask, you tackle high, you maneuver to tackle from the side, or you make a body tackle. No doubt about it. Otherwise you get a knee or foot pounded into your face.

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TheChamp24
06-19-2010, 12:54 PM
I dunno about the rest of you but I'd love football (NFL) 9 months of the year. Give them a three month break in between over the good weather months when their kids are off school. Then have a one month training camp including pre-season games, then start the regular season, then have a 2-3 week break over Christmas/New Year once again for these guys to spend time with loved ones, then back on the grind for the rest of the season including playoffs, 16 make the playoffs. Division winners and 4 wild cards for each conference. No byes for teams 1 v 8 and so on.

I'd also introduce a new non-playoff team competition format for the 1st rd draft pick down to 16 where the non-playoff teams face each other for the 1st rd draft pick, so team 32 does not pick first in the draft, team 17 does. The NFL guarnered revenue from these playoffs is given to the winning team towards their 1st rd pick, hence the incentive to win it.

So the format would look something like this

August - Training Camp and Pre-season = 2 games
Sept-Mid December 1st part of reg season = 14 games (1 week bye)
Mid December-Start of January = Time off
Start of January-Mid April = 14 games (1 week bye)
Mid April-Mid May = 4 games playoffs + Superbowl/Draft Pick Bowl
Mid May-July - End of season break

Teams play minimum of 29 games, maximum of 32.

Revenue at least doubled given new format and additional games.

Players get additional 50% payrises across the board for the additional playing time. Rosters increased to 60 full, and 50 for gamedays.

Just my idea of the ideal NFL and to stop me getting bored ****less from Feb-Aug bar draft week.

1, having a playoff to determine the draft picks is stupid. I don't know how else to say it, but it is because a sucky team shouldn't have to pick 16th due to losing the playoff or whatever, teams need to rebuild every now and then and you do that by the draft.
2, Way too many games. Players have a hard enough time making it through the season the way it is, I doubt they'd be able to/want to do that. Plus, they'd probably want more money for how much they have to play. More revenue earned for the league, but more costs.

Cito Pelon
06-19-2010, 12:55 PM
Proper technique is to see what you are hitting. Taking away the facemask is not an option. There is a reason facemasks have become more complex/intricate over the years and it's due to the violent nature of the game. If offensive and defensive lineman had no face masks then there is no way the the game would survive.

Yup, and without a facemask you turn your face away at the last second and hit the body mass, you tackle from the waist up. You don't hit below the waist because you'll get your face mashed in.

"If offensive and defensive lineman had no face masks then there is no way the the game would survive"

That's how the game started - no facemasks on any player.

I'm a proponent of no facemasks. I think that's the best way to play the game.

Tombstone RJ
06-19-2010, 12:59 PM
That's a weapon as much as a facemask is. If I was playing and had a metal weapon I'd be using it. I'd want a metal kneecap pad so I could deliver a blow, maybe a metal thigh pad.

My original point was to LESSEN the majority of injuries that slow the NFL down, i.e., knee and ankle injuries, not increase injuries in other areas by making more weapons available. I was thinking the object is to make the NFL less like Rollerball, not more like Rollerball.

Maybe, but that is a lot of speculation on your part. As technology gets better so too will equipment.

Tombstone RJ
06-19-2010, 01:09 PM
Yup, and without a facemask you turn your face away at the last second and hit the body mass, you tackle from the waist up. You don't hit below the waist because you'll get your face mashed in.

"If offensive and defensive lineman had no face masks then there is no way the the game would survive"

That's how the game started - no facemasks on any player.

I'm a proponent of no facemasks. I think that's the best way to play the game.

That's how the game started, yes, but facemasks have became necessary due to the nature of the game, the game's violent nature forced teams to develop the equipment to protect the player. The same can be said for helmets and shoulder pads and rib pads, etc. The game has not fundamentally changed the last 30 years or so, but the equipment has. This is because the equipment is a direct result of the nature of the game.

You take away facemasks they why have the helmet? You take away the helmet then tackling, blocking and hitting becomes completely different. You change those things then you probably don't need shoulder pads either... you see where this is going...

gunns
06-19-2010, 01:53 PM
Anytime I get to see more of a football regular season, it can't be bad.

cutthemdown
06-19-2010, 02:31 PM
I have been in favor of at least making all 53 players available to play in games. This putting players inactive for games is so stupid.

As for more games, I'm ok with as long as cutting preseason games. I mean, teams pretty much know who is going to make their teams before preseason and the rest is usually just a battle for special teams spots.

At least this. People arguing with me that the talent would be diluted is a joke. I could switch the numbers of the player, make them watch from the stands, and very few would pick out the best players from watching a game.

cutthemdown
06-19-2010, 02:41 PM
That's how the game started, yes, but facemasks have became necessary due to the nature of the game, the game's violent nature forced teams to develop the equipment to protect the player. The same can be said for helmets and shoulder pads and rib pads, etc. The game has not fundamentally changed the last 30 years or so, but the equipment has. This is because the equipment is a direct result of the nature of the game.

You take away facemasks they why have the helmet? You take away the helmet then tackling, blocking and hitting becomes completely different. You change those things then you probably don't need shoulder pads either... you see where this is going...

I feel sometimes I always quote the post I disagree with because that is funner then agreeing with someone. So I switched it up and quoted the smart person this time instead. The notion the game would be better, safer, without facemasks is the dumbest idea yet for player safety. I could learn a lot from how you approached it though. You never really called the guy a moron.

Didn't cars used to not have seat belts also?

cutthemdown
06-19-2010, 02:43 PM
Anytime I get to see more of a football regular season, it can't be bad.

Exactly the fans should be all for this. We don't like pre-season anyways. All this means is 2 more weeks of real football!!! :strong:

I don't feel sorry for these players. They seem to be out dancing and partying on the weekends during the season. It's not like they are so tired and worn out they can't play 2 more games.

cutthemdown
06-19-2010, 02:45 PM
The game would stink with no facemasks. It would make it totally different and no fun to watch IMO.

HAT
06-19-2010, 04:01 PM
August - Training Camp and Pre-season = 2 games
Sept-Mid December 1st part of reg season = 14 games (1 week bye)
Mid December-Start of January = Time off
Start of January-Mid April = 14 games (1 week bye)
Mid April-Mid May = 4 games playoffs + Superbowl/Draft Pick Bowl
Mid May-July - End of season break


The more the merrier IMO but this might be too extreme. ^
Plus, Football is a fall/winter sport. April & May just don't feel right.

Sports seasons should be +/- 6 Months

20 games in 23 weeks would be awesome.

1ST HALF
Weeks 1-4: full schedule
Weeks 5-7: partial w/byes
Weeks 8-11: full schedule

Week 12: League wide bye

2ND HALF
Weeks 13-16 full schedule
Weeks 17-19 partial w/byes
Weeks 20-23: full schedule

PLAYOFFS
(Top 8 seeds per conference)

Week 24: RD 1
Week 25: RD 2
Week 26: Conference Championships
Week 27: Bye / SB hype
Week 28: SB

Season starts first Sunday in September....League wide break is the Sunday before Thanksgiving.....Playoffs start Middle of Feb......Super Bowl is 2nd week of March.....HEAVEN

Bronco Boy
06-19-2010, 11:33 PM
Why don't we just expand the season to 100 games?

Cito Pelon
06-20-2010, 07:24 AM
I feel sometimes I always quote the post I disagree with because that is funner then agreeing with someone. So I switched it up and quoted the smart person this time instead. The notion the game would be better, safer, without facemasks is the dumbest idea yet for player safety. I could learn a lot from how you approached it though. You never really called the guy a moron.

Didn't cars used to not have seat belts also?

So you and Tombstone are saying my idea has about as much chance as my Guano-based lip balm idea?

I just can't understand how narrow-minded some of you peoples are.

I had a great marketing slogan for the guano lip balm - "It won't cure your chapped lips, but it sure will keep you from licking them!"

I'm chock full of good ideas. Stay tuned, I have dozens of them . . . .

Broncos4tw
06-20-2010, 07:57 AM
If I had a choice between 16 games and 4 preseason, or 18 and 2.. I'd pick the latter.

Considering most sports have many more games in a season, 18 doesn't seem like a huge deal. Even rugby plays 24 (in some leagues more) games a season. They don't wear those wimpy helmets and such. ; )

If the players were actually very well conditioned, a couple more games a season would be fine. Considering they are paid millions and millions of dollars, I don't think that's too much to ask.

mhgaffney
06-20-2010, 08:07 AM
Don't mess with success, idiots.

Exactly.

baja
06-20-2010, 09:21 AM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Killericon
Don't mess with success, idiots.


Exactly.


I bet there were many saying this when it was proposed to go from 14 to 16 games a season too.

The only constant is change.

I am sure there were many a buggy maker predicting doom if we adopted the horseless carriage.

errand
06-20-2010, 09:37 AM
I think 16 is perfect. Stop messing with the league damnit! It's fine the way it is!

I think it should be 18 games six within your division, and you play the other 12 teams in your conference...eliminate AFC vs NFC until the Super Bowl. Makes tie breakers a lot easier as head to head would solve most of them, and you'd still get to see good match-ups like all the division leaders and wild card candidates playing each other late...and it would bring back the days of arguing which conference was better.

boltaneer
06-20-2010, 11:30 AM
I think it should be 18 games six within your division, and you play the other 12 teams in your conference...eliminate AFC vs NFC until the Super Bowl. Makes tie breakers a lot easier as head to head would solve most of them, and you'd still get to see good match-ups like all the division leaders and wild card candidates playing each other late...and it would bring back the days of arguing which conference was better.

That's definitely an interesting idea in regards to the schedule. I kinda like it. It would eliminate 1st place schedules vs 4th place schedules though. (even though those are now not as diverse as they used to be)

I am curious how the league would adapt the schedule to an 18 game season.

In regards to those mentioning league wide bye weeks or a 'Christmas break', there is no way that will ever happen. The NFL and the networks in no way want to have a full week of no TV and ratings.

Tombstone RJ
06-20-2010, 01:05 PM
The more the merrier IMO but this might be too extreme. ^
Plus, Football is a fall/winter sport. April & May just don't feel right.

Sports seasons should be +/- 6 Months

20 games in 23 weeks would be awesome.

1ST HALF
Weeks 1-4: full schedule
Weeks 5-7: partial w/byes
Weeks 8-11: full schedule

Week 12: League wide bye

2ND HALF
Weeks 13-16 full schedule
Weeks 17-19 partial w/byes
Weeks 20-23: full schedule

PLAYOFFS
(Top 8 seeds per conference)

Week 24: RD 1
Week 25: RD 2
Week 26: Conference Championships
Week 27: Bye / SB hype
Week 28: SB

Season starts first Sunday in September....League wide break is the Sunday before Thanksgiving.....Playoffs start Middle of Feb......Super Bowl is 2nd week of March.....HEAVEN

SB during March Madness... I dunno 'bout that...

HAT
06-20-2010, 03:03 PM
SB during March Madness... I dunno 'bout that...

Nope....Most of the big conference tourney's would be during the bye week and the week before the SB. Selection Sunday could be televised as a lead in to the SB with the actual tourney starting the following Thursday.

Sports fan paradise! Could you imagine Vegas that week?

Crushaholic
06-20-2010, 10:58 PM
4 preseason games is just ridiculous. Give the coaches two games to make the cuts and start the season...

cutthemdown
06-20-2010, 11:13 PM
4 preseason games is just ridiculous. Give the coaches two games to make the cuts and start the season...

So ask owners to make less money? As bad as preseason is they do make something off the games. You won't get rid of any preseason games without expanding the reg season.

It's not practical to ask people to make less money. Every decision a business makes is supposed to make more money.

Protecting players does mean more money IMO so that makes sense. I just don't think it's practical to do it by removing games. Sure it's over priced, they should be happy with what they make etc etc, but thats not the real world.

ksBRONCOfan
06-21-2010, 06:47 AM
I would absolutely love to see an 18 game season. I'm a football fan and want to see more NFL football. I would also love to see that Fox and CBS have double headers each week.

Crushaholic
06-21-2010, 10:01 AM
So ask owners to make less money? As bad as preseason is they do make something off the games. You won't get rid of any preseason games without expanding the reg season.

It's not practical to ask people to make less money. Every decision a business makes is supposed to make more money.

Protecting players does mean more money IMO so that makes sense. I just don't think it's practical to do it by removing games. Sure it's over priced, they should be happy with what they make etc etc, but thats not the real world.

The second part of that plan is to make those other two games regular season games. Sorry for the confusion...