Louisianans: Bush's Katrina Better Handled than Obama's Oil Spill

[epicSocialism4tw]

Even 31% of democrats give Bush higher marks than Obama.

http://publicpolicypolling.blogspot.com/2010/06/fallout-from-spill.html

[Broncojef]

In fairness to Bush; Obamas crisis still isn't finished, as the months pass Bush will look better and better.

[epicSocialism4tw]

In fairness to Bush; Obamas crisis still isn't finished, as the months pass Bush will look better and better.

I think that that's part of the reason why people are as upset as they are now. Heres a guy who billed himself as the bearer of new ideas and progressions who cant find a way to cap off oil flowing into the gulf. This problem will do him in. I think its the last straw with Joe citizen.

...not to mention that Bush was cleaning up after a natural disaster, not a man-made one.

[TonyR]

Heres a guy who billed himself as the bearer of new ideas and progressions who cant find a way to cap off oil flowing into the gulf.

LOL!!! I knew you were an ignorant partisan but I didn't realize you were also stupid. I mean seriously, you think his job is to come up with an idea for how to cap the oil spill? Seriously? You cannot be this big of an idiot. Tell me you're kidding.

[epicSocialism4tw]

I knew you were an ignorant partisan but I didn't realize you were also stupid. I mean seriously, you think his job is to come up with an idea for how to cap the oil spill? Seriously? You cannot be this big of an idiot. Tell me you're kidding.

The buck stops at Obama.

I'm just taking him at his word.

[TonyR]

You look as stupid as O'Reilly made your girl Palin look today.

First, [O'Reilly] challenged Palin by saying, “49% of Americans still want BP to run the show and only 45% want the government to run the show.”

If you stop the video at about the 3:00 point, you can see the look of dismay on Palin’s face, followed by nervousness, moments after he said that, as she must have realized this was not going to be the kind of cakewalk she has probably come to expect on Fox News.

O’Reilly went on to ask, “What is your solution, here, Governor? What would you do tonight – tell the nation tonight, what you would have said, the main point in that speech. Go.”

Palin obviously had no idea. “Stopping the gusher,” she said. “That’s the number one priority of the nation.”

“But nobody knows how to do it,” O’Reilly countered.

“Well, we haven’t had the assurance by the president that that has been his top priority.” Her voice rose with more condescension, as she continued to evade the question and, instead, went on to accuse the president of making “cap and tax” his greater priority and “using this crisis… to increase the cost of energy.”

“Are you telling me that you don’t think the president’s top priority is stopping that leak? Is that what you’re telling me?” O’Reilly asked, not bothering to hide his incredulity.

http://www.newshounds.us/2010/06/16/oreilly_demolishes_palin_by_asking_for_her_solutio n_to_the_bp_oil_disaster.php


<object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QfTTckgn-mo&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QfTTckgn-mo&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>

[cutthemdown]

He's getting bad marks because govt was against a lot of methods to try and keep the oil from beaches. Then it hit beaches....now they can't stop it. Fact is not every oil skimming ship USA could have got its hands on was there. Why? because BP didnt get them all there, couldnt, whatever. People feel Obama hid behind laws that said BP was responsible etc etc. Sort of sounds a lot like us repubs when we said the state of LA should have been ready for the hurricaine. It a decent point to argue but won't do anything for public perception in the area under duress.

South still a great place to move to. With all this money pouring down there they will end up fine in the long run.

[epicSocialism4tw]

PROPAGANDA

Ah...so its back to the old Bush tactics, eh?

Except now its "Sarah Palin is stupid".

Sarah Palin doesnt have anything to do with this. You clowns love to change the topic when things arent going your way. Have a spine and deal with the real issues. What you are doing is tantamount to South American diving in the World Cup. Its a wuss tactic.

[TonyR]

Except now its "Sarah Palin is stupid".

Sarah Palin doesnt have anything to do with this. You clowns love to change the topic when things arent going your way. Have a spine and deal with the real issues.

Sarah Palin is an idiot and what she has to do with this is that you sound just like her. You're all anti-intellectual, right wing, hypocritical soundbites bashing Obama at every turn. Your blind hatred of Obama is disturbing. He hasn't media spun the oil spill well enough so you hate him for it. Get a grip.

[Rohirrim]

I think that that's part of the reason why people are as upset as they are now. Heres a guy who billed himself as the bearer of new ideas and progressions who cant find a way to cap off oil flowing into the gulf. This problem will do him in. I think its the last straw with Joe citizen.

...not to mention that Bush was cleaning up after a natural disaster, not a man-made one.

Could you really be this big of a moron?

[Fedaykin]

The only thing this indicates is that people, such as Drama Llama, lack even a remote understanding of the technological challenge capping this well poses. Fixing this problem tests the very limits of our technology and knowledge. It's taken decades and likely trillions of dollars in R&D (in various fields) just to be able to get a small robotic submersible to the depths required. All the attempts they have made to cap this well before the relief wells are drilled are acts of pure desperation.

The failure to cap this well quickly is a technological failure, not a failure of administration or leadership. There's no valid comparison to Katrina.

[Mr.Meanie]

The only thing this indicates is that people, such as Drama Llama, lack even a remote understanding of the technological challenge capping this well poses. Fixing this problem tests the very limits of our technology and knowledge. It's taken decades and likely trillions of dollars in R&D (in various fields) just to be able to get a small robotic submersible to the depths required. All the attempts they have made to cap this well before the relief wells are drilled are acts of pure desperation.

The failure to cap this well quickly is a technological failure, not a failure of administration or leadership. There's no valid comparison to Katrina.

Come on dude... all Obama has to do is swim down there and put the cap on, and all this would have been averted. Why won't he do it??

[Popcorn Sutton]

Ah...so its back to the old Bush tactics, eh?

Except now its "Sarah Palin is stupid".

Sarah Palin doesnt have anything to do with this. You clowns love to change the topic when things arent going your way. Have a spine and deal with the real issues. What you are doing is tantamount to South American diving in the World Cup. Its a wuss tactic.

I don't get you at all. You expect people who don't believe the same way you do in regards to religion to have an open mind and take a look at all sides before making judgments. Are you a hypocrite??

[Popcorn Sutton]

He's getting bad marks because govt was against a lot of methods to try and keep the oil from beaches. Then it hit beaches....now they can't stop it. Fact is not every oil skimming ship USA could have got its hands on was there. Why? because BP didnt get them all there, couldnt, whatever. People feel Obama hid behind laws that said BP was responsible etc etc. Sort of sounds a lot like us repubs when we said the state of LA should have been ready for the hurricaine. It a decent point to argue but won't do anything for public perception in the area under duress.

South still a great place to move to. With all this money pouring down there they will end up fine in the long run.

Good post. The Administration has obviously failed on the P.R. front. Everything I've read is as soon as this thing happened there was all kind of work going on behind the scenes but the Administration remained quiet. The amount of people and resources working on this is unprecedented but the American people are left to try and find the facts on their own. If it were me, I'd assign a P.R. person to the oil spill and give the America people daily updates as to what actions are being taken. We have a right to know, don't we? The speech from the White House the other night was about 45 days too late. The American people, especially along the gulf coast wanted to hear more from their President all along.

[Fedaykin]

He's getting bad marks because govt was against a lot of methods to try and keep the oil from beaches.

Which methods?

[cutthemdown]

Which methods?

Probably stuff that wouldn't have kept oil from beaches. Oh man it was hair stuffed in socks that people donated the govt turned away. Not every oil skimming ship was contracted. Several other countries called USA govt and said we will help, our govt said well its up to BP so no thank you we can handle it. Some citizens wanted to put booms up themselves in ocean and make sand berms themselves but I guess were not allowed to. I'm sure govt has a reason but the public perception in the area is negative nevertheless. We are talking about the reality of perception and public opinion and not actually scientific fact if things like hair socks and sand berms could have better protected beaches.

[cutthemdown]

Come on dude... all Obama has to do is swim down there and put the cap on, and all this would have been averted. Why won't he do it??

That's as silly as saying Bush could have waved his hand and just saved people who didn't evacuate during Katrina. President can only do so much and is often left just trying to handle PR.

[Mr.Meanie]

That's as silly as saying Bush could have waved his hand and just saved people who didn't evacuate during Katrina. President can only do so much and is often left just trying to handle PR.

Agreed.

They both have gotten hammered on the PR side.

[RMT]

what magnifies the incompetence of the obama administration in the BP matter is that even the liberal media and devout democrats are ripping him.

gotta love it ...

[cutthemdown]

Agreed.

They both have gotten hammered on the PR side.

I'm almost starting to see the President as a position not of an idea maker, but only a leader and PR spokesman for the govt. Things are so ****ed up I'm not sure we can find men smart enough to make us happy.

[cutthemdown]

what magnifies the incompetence of the obama administration in the BP matter is that even the liberal media and devout democrats are ripping him.

gotta love it ...

Not really I would rather have the country kick ass and take no prisoners. Good luck people, that's what we want. We need to stop being haters and biting off our own noses. I'm as guilty of it as anyone.

[Mr.Meanie]

I'm almost starting to see the President as a position not of an idea maker, but only a leader and PR spokesman for the govt. Things are so ****ed up I'm not sure we can find men smart enough to make us happy.

I can't really disagree with you there. In politics, the men who are smart enough to do the job are smart enough to not want the job.

[Popcorn Sutton]

what magnifies the incompetence of the obama administration in the BP matter is that even the liberal media and devout democrats are ripping him.

gotta love it ...

Wait.... But Llama, Assassin and barryr said this never happens??

[TonyR]

what magnifies the incompetence of the obama administration in the BP matter is that even the liberal media and devout democrats are ripping him.


Yes because MSM created narratives are always right on the money...

[Mr.Meanie]

what magnifies the incompetence of the obama administration in the BP matter is that even the liberal media and devout democrats are ripping him.

gotta love it ...

Let's cheer what's bad for the country....yay!

[Rigs11]

how log did hurricane katrina last? how about the oil spill?What a boneheaded poll.Feeds the insatiable thirst for rightard stupidity I guess.

[Fedaykin]

Probably stuff that wouldn't have kept oil from beaches. Oh man it was hair stuffed in socks that people donated the govt turned away. Not every oil skimming ship was contracted. Several other countries called USA govt and said we will help, our govt said well its up to BP so no thank you we can handle it. Some citizens wanted to put booms up themselves in ocean and make sand berms themselves but I guess were not allowed to. I'm sure govt has a reason but the public perception in the area is negative nevertheless. We are talking about the reality of perception and public opinion and not actually scientific fact if things like hair socks and sand berms could have better protected beaches.

No question the admin has failed miserably on the P.R. front. But the reality is there was no stopping the oil from reaching the beaches. The sheer magnitude of the spill made attempts at 100% containment futile.

There's no magic bullet for cleaning up an oil spill -- it's a system of trade offs and partial solutions.

[Arkie]

It has nothing to do with PR which has always been one of Obama's strengths. People are realizing that Obama may be using the Oil Spill to build momentum for doing something about energy and climate change. Stopping the spill, stops the momentum.

[cutthemdown]

It has nothing to do with PR which has always been one of Obama's strengths. People are realizing that Obama may be using the Oil Spill to build momentum for doing something about energy and climate change. Stopping the spill, stops the momentum.

Ok I can go along with using events to push ideas, agendas, issues in your favor. By the way that is the definition of politics. I suggest we all remember the history of our country and how events have always shaped our laws and issues as a society. Murders, child rapes, disasters, wars, attacks, have all been used to pass laws and push ideas.

But anyone who thinks the spill is being allowed to continue so that they can pass cap and trade is an idiot. I'm sorry but no American leaders would allow something like that. If Obama could order the spill halted he would. If BP could cap the well they would.

[TonyR]

What are the odds that Obama's huge success yesterday in getting BP to pledge a cool $20 billion to recompense the "small people" in the Gulf will get the same attention as his allegedly dismal speech on Tuesday night? If you take Memeorandum as an indicator, it really is no contest. The speech is still being dissected by language experts, but the $20 billion that is the front page news in the NYT today? Barely anywhere on the blogs.

This is just a glimpse into the distortion inherent in our current political and media culture. It's way easier to comment on a speech - his hands were moving too much! - than to note the truly substantive victory, apparently personally nailed down by Obama, in the White House yesterday. If leftwing populism in America were anything like as potent as right-wing populism - Matt Bai has a superb analysis of this in the NYT today - there would be cheering in the streets. But there's nada, but more leftist utopianism and outrage on MSNBC. And since there's no end to this spill without relief wells, this is about as much as Obama can do, short of monitoring clean-up efforts, or rather ongoing management of the ecological nightmare of an unstopped and unstoppable wound in the ocean floor.

I sure understand why people feel powerless and angry about the vast forces that control our lives and over which we seem to have only fitful control - big government and big business. But it seems to me vital to keep our heads and remain focused on what substantively can be done to address real problems, and judge Obama on those terms. When you do, you realize that the left's "disgruntleist" faction needs to take a chill pill.

http://andrewsullivan.theatlantic.com/the_daily_dish/2010/06/getting-****-done.html

[Rigs11]

It has nothing to do with PR which has always been one of Obama's strengths. People are realizing that Obama may be using the Oil Spill to build momentum for doing something about energy and climate change. Stopping the spill, stops the momentum.

yep here is another right wing talking point. Obama was for clean energy before the oil spill happened.And good god why does the right always balk at the notion of moving towards clean energy?what is the problem with ending our reliance on middle east petroleum? The right always scream about terrorism this and terrorism that..yet we keep pumping billions of dollars to countries like saudia arabia.

[Popcorn Sutton]

<table style='font:11px arial; color:#333; background-color:#f5f5f5' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='360' height='353'><tbody><tr style='background-color:#e5e5e5' valign='middle'><td style='padding:2px 1px 0px 5px;'><a target='_blank' style='color:#333; text-decoration:none; font-weight:bold;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com'>The Daily Show With Jon Stewart</a></td><td style='padding:2px 5px 0px 5px; text-align:right; font-weight:bold;'>Mon - Thurs 11p / 10c</td></tr><tr style='height:14px;' valign='middle'><td style='padding:2px 1px 0px 5px;' colspan='2'<a target='_blank' style='color:#333; text-decoration:none; font-weight:bold;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-june-16-2010/an-energy-independent-future'>An Energy-Independent Future<a></td></tr><tr style='height:14px; background-color:#353535' valign='middle'><td colspan='2' style='padding:2px 5px 0px 5px; width:360px; overflow:hidden; text-align:right'><a target='_blank' style='color:#96deff; text-decoration:none; font-weight:bold;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/'>www.thedailyshow.com</a></td></tr><tr valign='middle'><td style='padding:0px;' colspan='2'><embed style='display:block' src='http://media.mtvnservices.com/mgid:cms:item:comedycentral.com:312470' width='360' height='301' type='application/x-shockwave-flash' wmode='window' allowFullscreen='true' flashvars='autoPlay=false' allowscriptaccess='always' allownetworking='all' bgcolor='#000000'></embed></td></tr><tr style='height:18px;' valign='middle'><td style='padding:0px;' colspan='2'><table style='margin:0px; text-align:center' cellpadding='0' cellspacing='0' width='100%' height='100%'><tr valign='middle'><td style='padding:3px; width:33%;'><a target='_blank' style='font:10px arial; color:#333; text-decoration:none;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-episodes/'>Daily Show Full Episodes</a></td><td style='padding:3px; width:33%;'><a target='_blank' style='font:10px arial; color:#333; text-decoration:none;' href='http://www.indecisionforever.com'>Political Humor</a></td><td style='padding:3px; width:33%;'><a target='_blank' style='font:10px arial; color:#333; text-decoration:none;' href='http://www.thedailyshow.com/videos/tag/Tea+Party'>Tea Party</a></td></tr></table></td></tr></tbody></table>

[cutthemdown]

yep here is another right wing talking point. Obama was for clean energy before the oil spill happened.And good god why does the right always balk at the notion of moving towards clean energy?what is the problem with ending our reliance on middle east petroleum? The right always scream about terrorism this and terrorism that..yet we keep pumping billions of dollars to countries like saudia arabia.

We love clean energy, alternative fuels, all that stuff. It's the notion we have to get the crap taxed out of us to get them. Was it taxes that created the automobile or the computer? No it was just men trying to make tons of money and make there mark in the world of capitalism.

[cutthemdown]

I've been looking into solar to hear my jacuzzi but natural gas is sort of cheap. I'm for what's cheapest and then you let the new fuels come on board as the market dictates.

[Rigs11]

We love clean energy, alternative fuels, all that stuff. It's the notion we have to get the crap taxed out of us to get them. Was it taxes that created the automobile or the computer? No it was just men trying to make tons of money and make there mark in the world of capitalism.
What taxes are you referring to?i'm pretty sure you get tax breaks right now for hybrids, energy efficient appliances..etc.

[Rohirrim]

The reality that is thumping down on our collective consciousness now is that there is not an engineer on Earth who knows how to stop this.

[DenverBrit]

I think that that's part of the reason why people are as upset as they are now. Heres a guy who billed himself as the bearer of new ideas and progressions who cant find a way to cap off oil flowing into the gulf. This problem will do him in. I think its the last straw with Joe citizen.

...not to mention that Bush was cleaning up after a natural disaster, not a man-made one.

Neither can anyone else on the planet.

I'm not sure how you equate the aftermath of a hurricane, where emergency services know exactly what to do, with a blown oil well so deep that no one knows how to stop it in the short term.

Exactly what do you expect Obama to do?
Or better yet, if Bush were in office, what would he be doing differently that would stop the gusher?

[Rohirrim]

Neither can anyone else on the planet.

I'm not sure how you equate the aftermath of a hurricane, where emergency services know exactly what to do, with a blown oil well so deep that no one knows how to stop it in the short term.

Exactly what do you expect Obama to do?
Or better yet, if Bush were in office, what would he be doing differently that would stop the gusher?

Bush would declare war on Lithuania.

[DenverBrit]

Bush would declare war on Lithuania.

Well there's the problem.

Obama is blaming BP and insisting they stop the flow, pay for the clean up and compensate for loss of livelihood.

What a doofus!

[cutthemdown]

What taxes are you referring to?i'm pretty sure you get tax breaks right now for hybrids, energy efficient appliances..etc.

Since we mostly are talking about cap and trade what do you think? I am all for breaks and incentives and support the govt progress in that area.

[cutthemdown]

Dems can say what they want but you could switch Obama with Bush, have rest of facts exactly the same, and dems would be finding plenty wrong with how this was handled.

Can Obama supporters look anyone in the eye and say that if this response was Bush's response that they would be praising it? Not bagging on his leadership?

[gunns]

Could you really be this big of a moron?

Yes he could. I mean it's kind of like saying why didn't Bush stop that hurricane. :crazy:

[broncocalijohn]

if you want to compare the two disasters, just know that they were both weak at solving almost anything and that is at the federal governments feet. Doesnt matter if it is run by Republicans or Democrats. All obama had to do was get the oil from reaching the beaches. Get the boats in there instead of hiding behind a law that doesnt allow them into the harbors/waters. Both hired doofus yes men/women and both got canned. Federal Government is slow to react to disasters; man made or natural. I say both have failed miserably.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Yes he could. I mean it's kind of like saying why didn't Bush stop that hurricane. :crazy:

And you called me a moron? You do realize that one is a man-made disaster, right?

[TheElusiveKyleOrton]

You look as stupid as O'Reilly made your girl Palin look today.

First, [O'Reilly] challenged Palin by saying, “49% of Americans still want BP to run the show and only 45% want the government to run the show.”

If you stop the video at about the 3:00 point, you can see the look of dismay on Palin’s face, followed by nervousness, moments after he said that, as she must have realized this was not going to be the kind of cakewalk she has probably come to expect on Fox News.

O’Reilly went on to ask, “What is your solution, here, Governor? What would you do tonight – tell the nation tonight, what you would have said, the main point in that speech. Go.”

Palin obviously had no idea. “Stopping the gusher,” she said. “That’s the number one priority of the nation.”

“But nobody knows how to do it,” O’Reilly countered.

“Well, we haven’t had the assurance by the president that that has been his top priority.” Her voice rose with more condescension, as she continued to evade the question and, instead, went on to accuse the president of making “cap and tax” his greater priority and “using this crisis… to increase the cost of energy.”

“Are you telling me that you don’t think the president’s top priority is stopping that leak? Is that what you’re telling me?” O’Reilly asked, not bothering to hide his incredulity.

http://www.newshounds.us/2010/06/16/oreilly_demolishes_palin_by_asking_for_her_solutio n_to_the_bp_oil_disaster.php


<object width="640" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/QfTTckgn-mo&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowScriptAccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/QfTTckgn-mo&color1=0xb1b1b1&color2=0xd0d0d0&hl=en_US&feature=player_embedded&fs=1" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowfullscreen="true" allowScriptAccess="always" width="640" height="385"></embed></object>

Holy. ****. She is... wow, she's ****ing vapid. About as stupid as they come.

I mean... I can't even listen to her tripe for more than 30 seconds without wanting to shoot myself in the balls with a nail gun. Wow.

[TonyR]

All obama had to do was get the oil from reaching the beaches.

LOL!!! That's all? He could have waved his magic wand and kept the beaches clean and he didn't do it?

Clearly you have no concept of how much oil has "spilled". There are a currently estimated 35,000 to 60,000+ barrels of oil leaking into the Gulf every day. There is no stopping all that oil from reaching shores.

[DenverBrit]

]Holy. ****. She is... wow, she's ****ing vapid. About as stupid as they come.[/B]

I mean... I can't even listen to her tripe for more than 30 seconds without wanting to shoot myself in the balls with a nail gun. Wow.

Absolutely!!

Yet the 'Right' think she's Presidential material. Idiots!!

[barryr]

There are ships right now from other countries, and were available weeks ago, on the ready to help, yet they continue not to be used. Ridiculous!

[cutthemdown]

LOL!!! That's all? He could have waved his magic wand and kept the beaches clean and he didn't do it?

Clearly you have no concept of how much oil has "spilled". There are a currently estimated 35,000 to 60,000+ barrels of oil leaking into the Gulf every day. There is no stopping all that oil from reaching shores.

It's way more then that. The govt, and BP, have since raised it. I think what people fail to realize is the comparison people are making. Obviously Bush haters want to believe that after Katrina much of the debacle was fault. Meanwhile many Bush supporters said well he didn't handle the PR good, should have seemed more into it, but really the state and the people should have evacuated. It's not Bushes fault the levies stunk. etc etc.

Now dems wants a free ride to say well Obama was signing with Paul McCartney but how was he supposed to know how bad spill was, how was he suppossed to stop it, he wasn't President with the Office of Minereal and Mgt hired these fools etc etc.

Problem is the whole shabang is about PR and Obama did poor. Dems feel it's unfair but they set the precedent for making the President a scapegoat.

Hey Obama? Having a good time yet?

[cutthemdown]

And also tony the point is the govt should have every ship that can skim oil available even if there is so much its like a needle in a haystack for futility. Nowdays that's what people want to see.

[gunns]

And you called me a moron? You do realize that one is a man-made disaster, right?

Really? I can't imagine why Obama didn't dive down there and cap it himself. What it really comes to is no matter what Obama does, doesn't do, you will not be happy. I've read your posts on this whole thing and have to wonder what you would do and would have done already.

[Dukes]

Absolutely!!

Yet the 'Right' think she's Presidential material. Idiots!!

No actually, we don't.

[DenverBrit]

No actually, we don't.

You personally might not.

And some are coming to their senses, but 45% of Conservatives still see her as a presidential nominee. So I guess I meant those idiots!

Palin has lost ground among conservative Republicans, who would be crucial to her hopes if she seeks the party's presidential nomination in 2012. Forty-five percent of conservatives now consider her as qualified for the presidency, down sharply from 66 percent who said so last fall.

Among all Republicans polled, 37 percent now hold a "strongly favorable" opinion of Palin, about half the level recorded when she burst onto the national stage in 2008 as Sen. John McCain's running mate.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/10/AR2010021004708.html

[Broncojef]

what magnifies the incompetence of the obama administration in the BP matter is that even the liberal media and devout democrats are ripping him.

gotta love it ...

There has to be tipping point where even left wing fanatics writing the drivel no one believes start ripping the guy, he's gonna make Carter look smart by the time his term is up. Carter might be the only American glad Barry was elected when its all done.

Why are we debating Palin? I'd take Miles in the White house before barry.

[Broncojef]

Really? I can't imagine why Obama didn't dive down there and cap it himself. What it really comes to is no matter what Obama does, doesn't do, you will not be happy. I've read your posts on this whole thing and have to wonder what you would do and would have done already.

Well after 57 days his blue ribbon panel and award winning names gave the go ahead for more booms and trawlers to be released as per his speech. I mean thats just fantastic only 57 days to make that decision. And on day 58 he made it in a room with the BP CEO for 20 minutes now who can argue with that.

This guy is a joke! Has no clue in how to lead or cut through red tape only create it.

[watermock]

He's creating a new agency!

That's change, right?

Where in the hell is the navy

[Fedaykin]

He's creating a new agency!

That's change, right?

Where in the hell is the navy

What would the navy do? Shoot some cruise missiles at the oil slicks and create a literal sea of fire?

[broncocalijohn]

LOL!!! That's all? He could have waved his magic wand and kept the beaches clean and he didn't do it?

Clearly you have no concept of how much oil has "spilled". There are a currently estimated 35,000 to 60,000+ barrels of oil leaking into the Gulf every day. There is no stopping all that oil from reaching shores.

He didnt do anything! Nada! We have companies and individuals with proven ideas and he wasted days on end while the oil was hitting the beaches. You really going to cover for his ass?

What would the navy do? Shoot some cruise missiles at the oil slicks and create a literal sea of fire?

It has been mentioned and the oil slick would never have reached the beaches.

[watermock]

What would the navy do? Shoot some cruise missiles at the oil slicks and create a literal sea of fire?

BP is allready burning oil.

Where are the tankers from exon/mobile?

Where is the supertanker to pick this crap up?

WTF?

BP is burning off crap, so that cap and trade is done.

I don't have faith in any of these mother****ers/.

[watermock]

The Navy could do plenty, along with the COAST GUARD.

Dumbass, THERE ARE NO ADEQUATE CONTAIMENT VESSLES.

THEY ARE BURNING IT.

[JJJ]

You personally might not.

And some are coming to their senses, but 45% of Conservatives still see her as a presidential nominee. So I guess I meant those idiots!



http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/02/10/AR2010021004708.html

Yeah but you guys almost put John Edwards into office. :~ohyah!:

There is a rocket scientist if there ever was one.

[cutthemdown]

What about a fuel air bomb? it seems like one of those would just burn all the oil and work really well?

Any ordinance experts or old air force guys that maybe know something about a fuel air bomb. My father said he saw them in action and that there really is no other bomb quite like it.

[watermock]

How are you going to make air at 8,000 feet?

Why just not cluster bomb?

That might wake BP up...

[Florida_Bronco]

You look as stupid as O'Reilly made your girl Palin look today.

Damn, that performance is pretty high up there on the "Palin Fail" charts.

[gunns]

The Gulf Of Mexico Oil Spill: A Timeline
By Dr. M, on April 29th, 2010

Photo from the gCaptain Blog
I spent a summer as an undergraduate in Port Fourchon, Louisiana conducting field work. Some of my fondest memories surround that summer I spent in 130% humidity and 130˚ heat. Like many others, I’ve intently watched a human tragedy take its tole and a potential environmental diaster unfold. Below I provide a timeline of events.

Tuesday, April 20th-A Transocean rig called the Deepwater Horizon explodes and catches fire, approximately 42 miles Southeast of Venice, Louisiana, while finishing a well for British Petroleum. U.S. Coast Guard District Eight command center receives report at approximately 10 p.m. Of the 126 people on board at the time of the explosion, 115 crewmembers were accounted for. Of these 115, 17 were medevaced from the scene. Search begins for missing 11.

Wednesday, April 21st-Officials state environmental damage will be minimal. BP mobilizes an armada of ships and aircraft to contain the oil slick.

Thursday, April 22nd-The fire rages. Mid-morning Thursday a second explosion occurs causing the rig to sink. 700,000 gallons of diesel are enclosed tanks inside the pontoons at the time of the initial explosion. Unclear if diesel remains contained.

Friday, April 23rd-Coast Guard state no oil appears to be escaping from the well head on the ocean floor. The U.S. Coast Guard suspends its search for the 11 missing crewmembers at approximately 5 p.m. ending a three day search that included 28 air and ocean craft and covered ~5,375 square miles.

Saturday, April 24th-With remotely operated vehicles, officials discover the oil is escaping from two leaks in a drilling pipe about 5,000 feet below the surface. Leaks appear to be releasing 1,000 barrels a day.

Sunday, April 25-The oil slick covering 600 square miles and spreading north, is about 70 miles south of the Mississippi and Alabama coastline.

Monday, April 26-The oil slick stretches 80 miles across the Gulf and is 36 miles southeast of Louisiana. Cleanup crews set up booms to block as much oil as possible from coming ashore. Remote operative vehicles are full day into operations to sea oil well on ocean floor. Reuters- “The leaking well, 5,000 feet under the ocean surface off Louisiana’s coast, has created an oil sheen and emulsified crude slick with a circumference of about 600 miles, covering about 28,600 square miles (74,070 sq. km), the Coast Guard said on Tuesday. That’s slightly bigger than the U.S. state of West Virginia….The spill, however, is not comparable with the infamous Exxon Valdez disaster, which spilled about 11 million gallons (50 million liters) of oil into the Prince William Sound in Alaska when it ran aground in 1989. BP’s well is spewing about 42,000 gallons (190,900 liters) of oil a day into the ocean, the Coast Guard estimates.”


Tuesday, April 27-Officials consider setting fire to the slick, which has grown to 100 miles across. The fast-moving spill is about 20 miles off the Louisiana coast. A controlled burn of the surface oil is now considered. Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Interior Secretary Ken Salazar say they are expanding the government’s investigation of the explosion that caused the disaster. Obama administration officials meet with top executives of BP. Governor Bobby Jindal requests tCoast Guard set up protective booms around several wildlife refuges.

(Photo Credit: NASA) NASA’s Aqua satellite captured this image of the Gulf of Mexico on April 25, 2010 using its Moderate Resolution Imaging Spectroradiometer (MODIS) instrument. Click image for high resolution and further details

Wednesday, April 28-The slick nears to 20 miles east of the mouth of the Mississippi River. British Petroleum states a controlled test to burn the leaking oil was successful late Wednesday afternoon. NOAA-”Workers finish a containment chamber portion of a collection doom that will collect oil escaping from the well at the seafloor. The first rig to drill a relief well arrives on site and will commence drilling on Friday but will not be ready for several months. Good weather allows for both skimming operations and aggressive aerial application of dispersants – over 50,000 gallons of dispersant have been applied to the surface oil in the last two days.” The U.S. Coast Guard move ahead with a plan to burn off some of the crude from the slick. Mineral Management Service calls off luncheon “to present its annual award for exemplary safety and environmental management.” BP among list of finalists.

Thursday, April 29th-Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal declares a state of emergency and the federal government sends in skimmers and booms to prevent environmental damage. At morning, the spill is roughly 16 miles off the Louisiana coast and stretches across a 600-mile area. Updated models indicate the the slick may reach parts of the coast by later today or early Friday. President Obama designates the spill of national significance allowing personnel and equipment from other regions to be more easily mobilized and transfered to the scene. BBC-President Barack Obama said BP was “ultimately responsible for funding… clean-up operations”. he US homeland security secretary, Janet Napolitano, is to visit the Gulf of Mexico tomorrow. BP stocks plummit by 7% when admission that oil is leaking faster than original speculations. At current rate of oil leakage in 58 days it will surpass the Exxon Valdez disaster as the largest oil spill in U.S. history. BP official on the Today Show welcomes help from all parties including U.S. military. Concerns grow on impact to Louisiana seafood and tourism industry. As of 8:42pm, “Faint fingers of oily sheen have reached the mouth of Mississippi River…By sunset Thursday, the oil had crept into South Pass of the river and was lapping at the shoreline in long, thin lines.” Jean-Michel Cousteau releases statement of dismay and asks all ot expect more of their governments, “Write your Congressional and State representatives demanding their support for alternative energy technologies and policies at all levels of government, including subsidies.” Senator Bill Nelson FL-D drafts legislation to suspend the Obama administration’s plan of offshore exploration and drilling until a full investigation of diaster and the development of new protocols are developed.

[Spider]

Well after 57 days his blue ribbon panel and award winning names gave the go ahead for more booms and trawlers to be released as per his speech. I mean thats just fantastic only 57 days to make that decision. And on day 58 he made it in a room with the BP CEO for 20 minutes now who can argue with that.

This guy is a joke! Has no clue in how to lead or cut through red tape only create it.

Dude seriously , shut it ...........I know right now you need to bash Obama try and blame him for everything , but trust me all your are doing is making your self look like an idiot ....................

[Requiem]

It isn't even fair to compare the two situations. Neither have been handled in a good fashion. People in New Orleans (and region) are still suffering post-Katrina.

[Fedaykin]

The Navy could do plenty, along with the COAST GUARD.

Dumbass, THERE ARE NO ADEQUATE CONTAIMENT VESSLES.

THEY ARE BURNING IT.

Take a couple more swigs and relax.

I was making a joke. Controlled burns are certainly being used, but navy hardware is pretty damn useless in fighting an oil spill.