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bronclvr
06-16-2010, 09:16 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ehrr9g52zJ4&feature=related

What say you?

Dagmar
06-16-2010, 09:18 AM
http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/140108-2/Bar_girl_punched.gif

Rabb
06-16-2010, 09:21 AM
this should be fun

crawdad
06-16-2010, 09:22 AM
The bitch got what she deserved!

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 09:22 AM
She shoved him and everything was back to calm when he seemed to use a punch just to resolve the situation. It didn't seem so much a defense as a resolution to the situation. In that situation, I think the answer was either a punch or step away and pull a weapon as he couldn't subdue multiple people at once. Which is better is a matter of opinion.

That said, they fought him and that puts the responsibility for the situation on them. How he chooses to resolve the situation shouldn't be second guessed as we weren't in the moment making the decision as he was. When you break the law, you don't get the benefit of the nicest possible resolution.

Dr. Broncenstein
06-16-2010, 09:22 AM
In the face.

IN THE FACE!!!

Smiling Assassin27
06-16-2010, 09:28 AM
That can't happen. I agree with the obstruction and physical abuse by the women, but he's gotta be reprimanded, IMO. He's gotta keep his cool and even call for backup before he cleans her clock.

Once he makes the determination to arrest, he should be calling for backup and thinking about ways to take the emotion out of the situation. If he is in physical danger--which is debateable based on what we've seen--he should be thinking submission, not KO.

baja
06-16-2010, 09:32 AM
My God them Biitchees were J walking what the hell do they expect.

jhns
06-16-2010, 09:32 AM
It isn't wrong when they resist arrest. Either that or it is wrong when they hit guys for doing the same. Maybe he should have just tazed both of them. Plus, how is it wrong for a guy that hits like a girl to hit a girl? She didn't even go down. I bet Marshall would have straight knocked her out with a punch.

baja
06-16-2010, 09:35 AM
In that neighborhood that is how you ask a girl out.

Dr. Broncenstein
06-16-2010, 09:36 AM
In that neighborhood that is how you ask a girl out.

http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o228/jokir420/thats_racist.gif

cmhargrove
06-16-2010, 09:36 AM
http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/140108-2/Bar_girl_punched.gif

Just plain wrong.

On the other hand, nice form - good follow through.

Jerry Curl
06-16-2010, 09:37 AM
Girls were in the wrong, one was already fighting back and then her friend jumps in. The officer had to establish some control, maybe not a punch but he was probably reacting on instincts.

gyldenlove
06-16-2010, 09:39 AM
That can't happen. I agree with the obstruction and physical abuse by the women, but he's gotta be reprimanded, IMO. He's gotta keep his cool and even call for backup before he cleans her clock.

Once he makes the determination to arrest, he should be calling for backup and thinking about ways to take the emotion out of the situation. If he is in physical danger--which is debateable based on what we've seen--he should be thinking submission, not KO.

First off, the cop should not have hit the girl in any situation the level of physical force or threat used by police officers should be aimed at controlling the situation and subduing the suspect. Optimally the officer in this situation should have put the girl in an arm lock and failing that should have pepper sprayed her down.

Once the situation escalated into a physical altercation the only thing the cop can't do is to engage in a fist fight. Clearly the suspect was belligerent and instigated the altercation but the sucker punch was wrong.

I would send that dude on a 2 week refresher course in subduing suspects and police protocol.

sisterhellfyre
06-16-2010, 09:39 AM
What say you?

If she's not going to act the lady, she shouldn't expect to be treated like one.

oubronco
06-16-2010, 09:39 AM
http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/140108-2/Bar_girl_punched.gif

:spit:

Spider
06-16-2010, 09:40 AM
Jay Walkin biatches ......... Lucky they wasnt shot

Dr. Broncenstein
06-16-2010, 09:41 AM
Where in the hell was this guy's taser? I demand an inquiry as to why these jaywalking biatches didn't ride the lightning. Dude could have seriously injured his doughnut hand.

peacepipe
06-16-2010, 09:43 AM
I can't side with the cops on this one, he had plenty of choices, call for back up, pull gun or tazor.

Since when do cops give a **** about jaywalking!? I guess only in seattle.

underrated29
06-16-2010, 09:44 AM
It was pretty dam funny though.




Can't wait to see the tag lines people put on that one.

PPPuuunnch! Biatch get back in the kitchen.



I agree some pepper spray probably would have done the trick and Hurt worse!

bronclvr
06-16-2010, 09:46 AM
I dunno, I'm torn on this one-on the one hand I'm not certain there was a need to punch her-on the other hand, she "assaulted" him first, and there were two of them-if she had a Gun, things could have been quite different-where does defending yourself or assaulting a Cop begin or end?

baja
06-16-2010, 09:46 AM
http://i121.photobucket.com/albums/o228/jokir420/thats_racist.gif

...stein huh. You probably circumcise newborns without permission.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 09:47 AM
Just plain wrong.

On the other hand, nice form - good follow through.

Agreed, heck of a punch. It looks like her head pops off.

Dr. Broncenstein
06-16-2010, 09:49 AM
...stein huh. You probably circumcise newborns without permission.

Uh... no. I hoard money and circumcise teenagers without consent. Big difference.

dbfan4life
06-16-2010, 09:49 AM
It seemed like a reflex by the officer. I don't know but if I engaged an officer in a physical confrontation I would expect a baton strike to the thorax and a punch in the face. You act belligerent, you face the possibility of being knocked the **** out.

baja
06-16-2010, 09:53 AM
Uh... no. I hoard money and circumcise teenagers without consent. Big difference.

well atleast you get lots of tips... ;D

Kaylore
06-16-2010, 09:58 AM
I think if you slap a cop, no matter who you are, he should be allowed to club you.

SportinOne
06-16-2010, 10:07 AM
I really can't comment completely on this without seeing everything that lead up to the point of the punch being thrown. I will say that as a citizen you have to know better than to get physical with a police officer. I will also say that there probably did exist a better way for the cop to get the girl cuffed and in the car without punching her in the face. Also, i'm a bit surprised that the punch didn't start a riot with everyone that was standing around and watching. The simple fact that the only guy who seemed to be even slightly outraged was the guy holding the camera tells me a lot.

Verdict: Inconclusive visual evidence, although if i'm the cop I A. really want to slug her in the face, but B. don't.

baja
06-16-2010, 10:14 AM
They are jay walking terrorists they were lucky they were not water boarded on the spot.

SportinOne
06-16-2010, 10:15 AM
I think if you slap a cop, no matter who you are, he should be allowed to club you.

except, no.

the people that police us, the police, should be held to a higher standard than "an eye for an eye." They should be able to control their emotions and control a situation in the smartest possible manner, not in whatever manner they are "entitled" to by your primitive dog-eat-dog logic.

yerner
06-16-2010, 10:20 AM
She derserved it. Don't put your hands on a police officer. You act politely. It's really that ****ing simple. Not to mention the fact she was the size of Otis Anderson. He should have followed with an uppercut to her babymaker to really prove a point.

yerner
06-16-2010, 10:23 AM
except, no.

the people that police us, the police, should be held to a higher standard than "an eye for an eye." They should be able to control their emotions and control a situation in the smartest possible manner, not in whatever manner they are "entitled" to by your primitive dog-eat-dog logic.

Give me a break.

Kaylore
06-16-2010, 10:25 AM
except, no.

the people that police us, the police, should be held to a higher standard than "an eye for an eye." They should be able to control their emotions and control a situation in the smartest possible manner, not in whatever manner they are "entitled" to by your primitive dog-eat-dog logic.

Sure, one can only hope but I don't think he should be punished for defending himself. In some countries they can shoot you on the spot if you do that. Now I'm not advocating that, but these two women were combo-attacking an officer of the law. What did they think was going to happen. I'm not "happy" she got punched but I don't feel sorry for her. I don't believe police should be able to brutalize without cause, but if you a slap a cop and he punches you, that's your fault.

bronclvr
06-16-2010, 10:27 AM
except, no.

the people that police us, the police, should be held to a higher standard than "an eye for an eye." They should be able to control their emotions and control a situation in the smartest possible manner, not in whatever manner they are "entitled" to by your primitive dog-eat-dog logic.

I disagree-with all of the nutjobs out there Cops have no idea who is violent and who is not-I believe they have to control the situation, you never know how it could escalate or get violent-turn the tables for a minute in that situation-what would you do if you were alone and did not have the time to call for backup? As for me, I would hope I could difuse the situation before it got bad, but the Video doesn't who what happened in the minutes before it was shot-

crush17
06-16-2010, 10:35 AM
eh, he barely even connected.

OBF1
06-16-2010, 10:38 AM
Once again, I back the police officer. 2 bitches out of control, resisting arrest and assulting to officer. I think the 2 females got off easy.

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 10:39 AM
I really can't comment completely on this without seeing everything that lead up to the point of the punch being thrown. I will say that as a citizen you have to know better than to get physical with a police officer. I will also say that there probably did exist a better way for the cop to get the girl cuffed and in the car without punching her in the face. Also, i'm a bit surprised that the punch didn't start a riot with everyone that was standing around and watching. The simple fact that the only guy who seemed to be even slightly outraged was the guy holding the camera tells me a lot.

Verdict: Inconclusive visual evidence, although if i'm the cop I A. really want to slug her in the face, but B. don't.

My thoughts as well.

55CrushEm
06-16-2010, 10:43 AM
Sure, one can only hope but I don't think he should be punished for defending himself. In some countries they can shoot you on the spot if you do that. Now I'm not advocating that, but these two women were combo-attacking an officer of the law. What did they think was going to happen. I'm not "happy" she got punched but I don't feel sorry for her. I don't believe police should be able to brutalize without cause, but if you a slap a cop and he punches you, that's your fault.

This.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 10:43 AM
I disagree-with all of the nutjobs out there Cops have no idea who is violent and who is not-I believe they have to control the situation, you never know how it could escalate or get violent-turn the tables for a minute in that situation-what would you do if you were alone and did not have the time to call for backup? As for me, I would hope I could difuse the situation before it got bad, but the Video doesn't who what happened in the minutes before it was shot-

I think someone mentioned it previously but I really think we're having a totally different discussion if this were two males. Even if we're talking Steve Urkel type guys and these gargantuan women. Biases are still alive and well here, I guess.

Rabb
06-16-2010, 10:50 AM
I think someone mentioned it previously but I really think we're having a totally different discussion if this were two males. Even if we're talking Steve Urkel type guys and these gargantuan women. Biases are still alive and well here, I guess.

along those lines I was thinking about that very thing, if a male had slapped a female cop

people would have applauded her for punching him

bronclvr
06-16-2010, 10:53 AM
I think someone mentioned it previously but I really think we're having a totally different discussion if this were two males. Even if we're talking Steve Urkel type guys and these gargantuan women. Biases are still alive and well here, I guess.

You are right on that one-:thumbs:

bowtown
06-16-2010, 10:57 AM
along those lines I was thinking about that very thing, if a male had slapped a female cop

people would have applauded her for punching him

I don't think anyone will disagree that a double standard exists, and is probably justified in many cases. But the cop knows that and is trained for that. We don't live in a vacuum where everything is equal. The fact that she is a woman and he is a man is all the more reason for that cop to diffuse the situation in a different way.

Cmac821
06-16-2010, 10:59 AM
In the face.

IN THE FACE!!!

:rofl: I think your missing the argument but great comment

Flex Gunmetal
06-16-2010, 11:05 AM
Hell ya. Regardless of gender, you come at a cop you should expect to get whacked with something. Whos to say this is less humane than a tazer or mace?

DomCasual
06-16-2010, 11:18 AM
Just plain wrong.

On the other hand, nice form - good follow through.

I thought that when I first saw it, several months ago. But the more I see of that stupid woman, the more I wonder if the mouth breather throwing the punch didn't show some admirable restraint.

Bronco Boy
06-16-2010, 11:23 AM
In Seattle, they take jaywalking VERY seriously. They are like crazy about it there.

Dukes
06-16-2010, 11:36 AM
Don't assault a cop. Period. F her.

Taco John
06-16-2010, 11:42 AM
Of course he was wrong. She was too, but a peace keeper is not out to punch people, he's out to keep the peace.

It felt good to watch him punch her, except for the part where he was wearing a cop's uniform.

OBF1
06-16-2010, 11:42 AM
I don't think anyone will disagree that a double standard exists, and is probably justified in many cases. But the cop knows that and is trained for that. We don't live in a vacuum where everything is equal. The fact that she is a woman and he is a man is all the more reason for that cop to diffuse the situation in a different way.

I agree.... 6 slugs in her dome would have done the job :thumbsup:

OABB
06-16-2010, 11:50 AM
I posted in an old thread that I thought people should show cops respect and I was destroyed because I defended an officer who wrestled a 14 year old boy to the ground after the boy talked back and refused to sit down when told.

I think the punch to the face was a bit excessive but the overall fact remains that I see people treating cops like average citizens or substitute teachers and they clearly aren't. they are COPS. Even if they are screwed up bullies like alot of people here claim, they are still Cops.

If you talk back to a cop, assault a cop or refuse direct orders you are messing with someone who has the legal right to detain you and use adequate force.

The moral of this story: don't disresepect an officer of the law. If you have an issue, fight it in court. Do not try and fight it on the street as that is just stupid.

Rivieri Rules!

theAPAOps5
06-16-2010, 11:50 AM
Okay 2 pages in and the real question is.....

Did he have to tell her twice?

baja
06-16-2010, 11:58 AM
I posted in an old thread that I thought people should show cops respect and I was destroyed because I defended an officer who wrestled a 14 year old boy to the ground after the boy talked back and refused to sit down when told.

I think the punch to the face was a bit excessive but the overall fact remains that I see people treating cops like average citizens or substitute teachers and they clearly aren't. they are COPS. Even if they are screwed up bullies like alot of people here claim, they are still Cops.

If you talk back to a cop, assault a cop or refuse direct orders you are messing with someone who has the legal right to detain you and use adequate force.

The moral of this story: don't disresepect an officer of the law. If you have an issue, fight it in court. Do not try and fight it on the street as that is just stupid.

Rivieri Rules!

BB joking aside this cop will be reprimanded maybe even lose his job. Why?Because he reacted in anger to her comments He is trained to use his baton or pepper spray or his tazer but not his fist. This is going to cost him. I wonder what she said to him anyway.

underrated29
06-16-2010, 12:00 PM
i wonder what she said to him anyway.



I'm Gonna EAT You, Cracka!!

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 12:01 PM
The girl pushed the cop while he was engaged with another girl who was jostling with him as well. When a situation starts to get out of hand like that, things can get out of control fast. They were close enough to his gun that he had to be thinking about worse-case scenarios. You cant just assume (like an idiot) that they are going to stop, because sometimes they dont and your kids end up without a dad.

The girls amplified the situation, and the cop tried to gain control.

The girls are clearly in the wrong.

baja
06-16-2010, 12:04 PM
The girl pushed the cop while he was engaged with another girl who was jostling with him as well. When a situation starts to get out of hand like that, things can get out of control fast. They were close enough to his gun that he had to be thinking about worse-case scenarios. You cant just assume (like an idiot) that they are going to stop, because sometimes they dont and your kids end up without a dad.

The girls amplified the situation, and the cop tried to gain control.

The girls are clearly in the wrong.

Yes the girls were wrong but so was the cop, his night stick or pepper spray was the right tool for the situation. He will be suspended at the least.

ColoradoDarin
06-16-2010, 12:04 PM
Interfering with an arrest = punch to the face and time served!

I think too many people in the country think there are no consequences for their actions. The lady doesn't try to bust her friend out, she doesn't get a face full of Farva Fist.

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 12:07 PM
Yes the girls were wrong but so was the cop, his night stick or pepper spray was the right tool for the situation. He will be suspended at the least.

I doubt he'll get suspended for poor defensive tactics.

Gcver2ver3
06-16-2010, 12:09 PM
i don't feel sorry for her...

she's about to be a rich woman...

"can we all just get along?"...

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 12:10 PM
Yes the girls were wrong but so was the cop, his night stick or pepper spray was the right tool for the situation. He will be suspended at the least.

The head seattle cop already said he was justified in using force. I saw the article before this thread came up so I don't have a link handy. They might suggest he stick to pepperspray next time but he shouldn't be punished.

As a white male, I hate double standards. I want to read the story and smile when both of those women are being charged with not only jaywalking but then assaulting a cop and whatever else goes with that. And the one will still have gotten punched in the forehead ;D

gunns
06-16-2010, 12:14 PM
Interfering with an arrest = punch to the face and time served!

I think too many people in the country think there are no consequences for their actions. The lady doesn't try to bust her friend out, she doesn't get a face full of Farva Fist.

I think the consequences were the arrests.

Too many police that over react and there are no consequences for their actions.

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 12:15 PM
I think the consequences were the arrests.

Too many police that over react and there are no consequences for their actions.

You simply are not allowed, by law, to attack a police officer. Not under any circumstance. That's not mitigated by gender or race.

If this had been a white skater kid, we'd all be laughing at him for being such a douche and getting clocked.

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 12:17 PM
You simply are not allowed, by law, to attack a police officer. Not under any circumstance.

Imagine me and you on the same side of an issue for once.

Isn't this a sign of the apocalypse?

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 12:19 PM
Imagine me and you on the same side of an issue for once.

Isn't this a sign of the apocalypse?

The difference is that I have standards and you dont.

Quoydogs
06-16-2010, 12:19 PM
Gotta say I hate cops and I love putting blame on them. Most of them have a bad case of the god complex.

In this case she got off lucky, I would much rather take a wimpy shot to the face like that then a tazer or pepper spray shot.

Fact the hit a Police officer, it's on video they need to be prosecuted to the fullest extent.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 12:19 PM
I think the consequences were the arrests.

Too many police that over react and there are no consequences for their actions.

I'll take 100 cops punching people's foreheads overreacting than to see one drag it on while being scared of overreacting and end up having his weapon taken.

There was one of those "caught on tape" shows that played similar to this where a cop was trying to subdue two guys at once and they pinned him down, took his weapon, and killed him right there on camera. How about they get the benefit of the doubt sometimes?

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 12:22 PM
Imagine me and you on the same side of an issue for once.

Isn't this a sign of the apocalypse?

You co-signed to the other fella's statement on page 2 when said there wasn't enough info to make an opinion and that as a cop you don't punch her because you're a cop. Now you're cosigning to say too bad, so sad, next time don't hit a cop.

Did you wait to see the other people's opinions before you threw yours out there?

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 12:22 PM
The difference is that I have standards and you dont.

Yeah, probably.

colonelbeef
06-16-2010, 12:24 PM
he was 100% correct, don't **** around with a cop doing his job

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 12:25 PM
You co-signed to the other fella's statement on page 2 when said there wasn't enough info to make an opinion and that as a cop you don't punch her because you're a cop. Now you're cosigning to say too bad, so sad, next time don't hit a cop.

I did?

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 12:26 PM
I did?

http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2864941&postcount=37

Hittin' the bottle early today or something?

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 12:29 PM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2864941&postcount=37

Hittin' the bottle early today or something?

No I fail to see the contradiction here, but it's nice to see you make another futile attempt to get in my e-face again. :thumbsup:

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 12:30 PM
No I fail to see the contradiction here, but it's nice to see you make another futile attempt to get in my e-face again. :thumbsup:

Whatever you say

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 12:31 PM
Whatever you say

Thanks.

jhns
06-16-2010, 12:54 PM
Yes the girls were wrong but so was the cop, his night stick or pepper spray was the right tool for the situation. He will be suspended at the least.

The cop was not wrong and cops use their fists all the time. Just watch a few episodes of cops. I bet you see it a few times in the first couple episodes you watch. I also bet if you went and wrestled a friend away from a cop and pushed him, you would get a LOT worse than what these girls got.

Anyways, why would a night stick be the better option? She should be happy the night stick wasn't pulled. It would have been a lot worse for her.

baja
06-16-2010, 12:57 PM
I'll take 100 cops punching people's foreheads overreacting than to see one drag it on while being scared of overreacting and end up having his weapon taken.

There was one of those "caught on tape" shows that played similar to this where a cop was trying to subdue two guys at once and they pinned him down, took his weapon, and killed him right there on camera. How about they get the benefit of the doubt sometimes?

I doubt you saw a cop being murdered on camera but if you did I would like the link to that vid.

jhns
06-16-2010, 12:58 PM
The only thing I don't agree with the cop on is stopping people for jaywalking. That is just dumb. At the same time, it seems even dumber to try fighting a cop over what is probably a $15 ticket.

Dagmar
06-16-2010, 12:59 PM
http://i49.tinypic.com/2ngey38.jpg

baja
06-16-2010, 12:59 PM
The cop was not wrong and cops use their fists all the time. Just watch a few episodes of cops. I bet you see it a few times in the first couple episodes you watch. I also bet if you went and wrestled a friend away from a cop and pushed him, you would get a LOT worse than what these girls got.

Anyways, why would a night stick be the better option? She should be happy the night stick wasn't pulled. It would have been a lot worse for her.

Because with the night stick he stays out of reach of the assailant and he does not risk damaging his hand. I am amazed at what some of you don't reason on your own.

OABB
06-16-2010, 01:04 PM
I doubt you saw a cop being murdered on camera but if you did I would like the link to that vid.

I remember the clip. He was shot off camera but you can see him lose his weapon and run. It's a terrible video. I wish to never see it again as it is quite haunting. Can I just get some rivieri love now? I have been biding my time for three years waiting for a debate like this. Come on, everyone just admit that little punk skater douche deserved to get wrestled to the ground allready. I got some latent love for that dead whore pippa bacca being called a hero and I just want some love here.

Do it allready everyone!

OABB
06-16-2010, 01:06 PM
Because with the night stick he stays out of reach of the assailant and he does not risk damaging his hand. I am amazed at what some of you don't reason on your own.

Um night stick would have broken her face. The punch was merciful is what he meant.

jhns
06-16-2010, 01:06 PM
Because with the night stick he stays out of reach of the assailant and he does not risk damaging his hand. I am amazed at what some of you don't reason on your own.

Why would he want to stay out of reach as he is trying to detain them? You don't make a lot of sense. They don't just let you go when you wrestle away from them. How exactly is he supposed to detain them when he backs off and they scatter?

baja
06-16-2010, 01:06 PM
The cop exposed his gun to the other women when he extended his arm with the swing . He should have stepped back and drew his night stick this action alone may have subdued the two women. It looks like she said something to him that pissed him off and he lost his cool and reacted with a swing of his fist. That was a move that endangered him further and I will bet he gets suspended.

jhns
06-16-2010, 01:08 PM
Um night stick would have broken her face. The punch was merciful is what he meant.

That is exactly right. Why would his superiors want him to use even more force if you think this will be punished? It doesn't make sense.

jhns
06-16-2010, 01:11 PM
The cop exposed his gun to the other women when he extended his arm with the swing . He should have stepped back and drew his night stick this action alone may have subdued the two women. It looks like she said something to him that pissed him off and he lost his cool and reacted with a swing of his fist. That was a move that endangered him further and I will bet he gets suspended.

You are really reaching. They have already said he was in the right. I don't get why you think his boss would back him and then suspend him. What was that about people using reason?

baja
06-16-2010, 01:15 PM
Um night stick would have broken her face. The punch was merciful is what he meant.

Hey this is not about some assailant's face it's about subduing the situation as quickly and safely as possible instead he left himself and his weapon exposed. She lost here right to "nice" treatment when she attacked the cop.

The cop is guilty of reacting in anger and choosing a poor procedure.

OABB
06-16-2010, 01:26 PM
Hey this is not about some assailant's face it's about subduing the situation as quickly and safely as possible instead he left himself and his weapon exposed. She lost here right to "nice" treatment when she attacked the cop.

The cop is guilty of reacting in anger and choosing a poor procedure.

Good point. He should have shot her in the kneecaps, and than tasered her friend by placing the taser directly on her vagina. Than when they were both down on the ground, he should have climbed up the lampost and than done a frog splash while yelling "viva la raza!".

jhns
06-16-2010, 01:27 PM
The cop is guilty of reacting in anger and choosing a poor procedure.


A procedure he was taught when trained how to handle these situations.

http://www.king5.com/home/Video-tape-shows-SPD-officer-punching-young-woman-96352669.html

From the article:

A Seattle Police Department spokesperson declined to review the tape Monday night. However, Seattle Police Department spokesperson Sean Whitcomb told KING 5's news partner The Seattle Times that "punching is part of the repertoire of techniques officers are raught to use when a situation gets unruly." Whitcomb added, "after looking at the police report he does not see anything that would suggest the officer handled the situation inappropriately."

OBF1
06-16-2010, 01:29 PM
Good point. He should have shot her in the kneecaps, and than tasered her friend by placing the taser directly on her vagina. Than when they were both down on the ground, he should have climbed up the lampost and than done a frog splash while yelling "viva la raza!".

Thats what I was thinking :thumbs:

Do not listen to those that are no longer Americans

manchambo
06-16-2010, 01:31 PM
I have mixed feelings on this one. I don't like to see a woman jacked in the face, but I also no that if I sis what she did, I would be beaten senseless with a baton. And I would deserve it--you don't attack a cop.

baja
06-16-2010, 01:36 PM
we'll see how this turns out

I see CBFool1 chimes in with his hateful and completely irrelevant comment

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 01:38 PM
I doubt you saw a cop being murdered on camera but if you did I would like the link to that vid.

I looked and I can't seem to find it but it's a cop dealing with two guys (and he may have been trying to search the vehicle but can't remember exactly) and then they stopped listening to him. He starts telling them to put their hands on the car and whatnot. After not very long, one of the guys rush him and he's fighting him off pretty well when the other guy jumps in and they get him down. He goes just off the camera to the lower right but you see them down on the ground with him and then one stands up and starts pumping bullets into him. Again, the cop at this point is just off camera but you see them wrestle him to the ground and everything and then the shooting. I was flat amazed they showed it on normal cable TV. It was quite eye opening on how quickly a situation can go completely horrible.

gunns
06-16-2010, 01:41 PM
You simply are not allowed, by law, to attack a police officer. Not under any circumstance. That's not mitigated by gender or race.

If this had been a white skater kid, we'd all be laughing at him for being such a douche and getting clocked.

Did I say she was allowed to attack a police officer? No I did not. Her consequences for her action was getting arrested, rightfully so. The punch was an added little speciality by your local police. If he's so damn rattled by a woman that he punches her, maybe it's time for a new occupation.

baja
06-16-2010, 01:44 PM
I looked and I can't seem to find it but it's a cop dealing with two guys (and he may have been trying to search the vehicle but can't remember exactly) and then they stopped listening to him. He starts telling them to put their hands on the car and whatnot. After not very long, one of the guys rush him and he's fighting him off pretty well when the other guy jumps in and they get him down. He goes just off the camera to the lower right but you see them down on the ground with him and then one stands up and starts pumping bullets into him. Again, the cop at this point is just off camera but you see them wrestle him to the ground and everything and then the shooting. I was flat amazed they showed it on normal cable TV. It was quite eye opening on how quickly a situation can go completely horrible.

Amazing. I am very surprised they showed that footage. Not helpful to law enforcement and really sucks for family members.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 01:47 PM
Did I say she was allowed to attack a police officer? No I did not. Her consequences for her action was getting arrested, rightfully so. The punch was an added little speciality by your local police. If he's so damn rattled by a woman that he punches her, maybe it's time for a new occupation.

No, the punishment for jaywalking is a fine.

The punishment for refusing to listen to the cop and getting hostile is to be arrested.

The punishment for attacking a cop while he's wrestling with someone else is apparently to get punched in the forehead.

I'm sure he would've simply arrested them had he been able but if you watch the video, they didn't seem so interested in just putting their hands behind their back.

OBF1
06-16-2010, 01:50 PM
No, the punishment for jaywalking is a fine.

The punishment for refusing to listen to the cop and getting hostile is to be arrested.

The punishment for attacking a cop while he's wrestling with someone else is apparently to get punched in the forehead.

I'm sure he would've simply arrested them had he been able but if you watch the video, they didn't seem so interested in just putting their hands behind their back.

End thread^5

gunns
06-16-2010, 01:55 PM
No, the punishment for jaywalking is a fine.

The punishment for refusing to listen to the cop and getting hostile is to be arrested.

The punishment for attacking a cop while he's wrestling with someone else is apparently to get punched in the forehead.

I'm sure he would've simply arrested them had he been able but if you watch the video, they didn't seem so interested in just putting their hands behind their back.

No, why don't you watch the video again and reread my post. I said the consequences for attacking the cop was being arrested. And the video shows him from the start dealing only with the girl he punched. The other girl jumped in after he punched her and got her up against the car. You've failed to give a justification for the punch except maybe that he's a pussy, no excuse me, a cop. I do have to hand it to him though, I'm surprised he didn't taze or shoot her.

ColoradoDarin
06-16-2010, 01:57 PM
No, the punishment for jaywalking is a fine.

The punishment for refusing to listen to the cop and getting hostile is to be arrested.

The punishment for attacking a cop while he's wrestling with someone else is apparently to get punched in the forehead.

I'm sure he would've simply arrested them had he been able but if you watch the video, they didn't seem so interested in just putting their hands behind their back.

Exactly

/thread

:tebow:

jhns
06-16-2010, 02:02 PM
No, why don't you watch the video again and reread my post. I said the consequences for attacking the cop was being arrested. And the video shows him from the start dealing only with the girl he punched. The other girl jumped in after he punched her and got her up against the car. You've failed to give a justification for the punch except maybe that he's a p***Y, no excuse me, a cop. I do have to hand it to him though, I'm surprised he didn't taze or shoot her.

How can you start a post saying someone else needs to rewatch the video and then be wrong about everything that happened in the video? Funny stuff.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 02:05 PM
Hang on... apparently there is clipped versions of the video. You have to be quick to see what's happening in the version on this thread. It's clipped for the news to be more dramatic and create controversy, probably. I saw the longer one originally so didn't notice that it was more subtle in this one. Watch this video and you'll see it in better context.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37731283/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Go there and click the video

Hogan11
06-16-2010, 02:10 PM
Being female doesn't give you carte blanche with law enforcement officers, period.

jhns
06-16-2010, 02:11 PM
Hang on... apparently there is clipped versions of the video. You have to be quick to see what's happening in the version on this thread. It's clipped for the news to be more dramatic and create controversy, probably. I saw the longer one originally so didn't notice that it was more subtle in this one. Watch this video and you'll see it in better context.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/37731283/ns/us_news-crime_and_courts/

Go there and click the video

The video in the OP has most of what happened. You just have to watch more than the first 5 seconds.

BroncoBuff
06-16-2010, 02:12 PM
Okay 2 pages in and the real question is.....

Did he have to tell her twice?

Nick, you're actually framing the question too mildly. I'm pretty well-versed and have experience with these issues, and the cop had every right to secure the scene in furtherance of his duties. In fact, the woman in red could still be arrested, charged and probably convicted for Assault on a Peace Officer, a serious felony, especially while in the performance of his duties.

Watch the video closely: the suspect in black forcibly disengages the officer who's trying to detain her. That's bad enough, but then the cousin in red - an uninvolved bystander - pushes the suspect away from the cop, tries to interpose her body between the cop and the suspect, grabs his wrists, and with both her arms shoves him backwards. That 's a felony, plain and simple. And it was prior to the cop punching her, which is important.


Obviously the problem for the force is the visual, a right cross to the chops is not exactly a standard police tactic, and the video is disturbing. Add to that the many awkward status discrepancies - cop strikes citizen - man strikes woman - white strikes black - adult strikes juvenile ... all of these work against the cop. But he has the right - in fact duty - to secure the scene and detain the suspect, in this case a suspect who was resisting arrest and on the verge of fleeing. Going Joe Frazier on the girl is unorthodox, but in light of the circumstances it does't seem particularly unreasonable. Can't predict how the force or the ciity will respond, there are obviously political issues. Not much of a black community here to protest the incident, not a vocal one anyway. Plus this is a top 10 most dangerous intersection for pedestrians, and reportedly the school there had requested more police presence.

But the bottom line is : You simply never put hands on a cop, never. Especially never to interfere with an arrest.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 02:13 PM
The video in the OP has most of what happened. You just have to watch more than the first 5 seconds.

OK, you're right. On that video I just watched the beginning. So either watch the video I posted or watch the whole thing that the OP posted and there went be any question. Thanks for clearing that up.

Ratboy
06-16-2010, 02:15 PM
I agree.... 6 slugs in her dome would have done the job :thumbsup:

Hm.. I figured 1 apron and a kitchen would have done the trick.

baja
06-16-2010, 02:15 PM
If this had been two white man would we be having this discussion?

jhns
06-16-2010, 02:17 PM
Just to put this out there since a lot here are commenting that they could or should have been charged. One was charged with obstruction and the other was charged with resisting arrest. They both went to jail. One went to county and the other to juvie.

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 02:17 PM
I looked and I can't seem to find it but it's a cop dealing with two guys (and he may have been trying to search the vehicle but can't remember exactly) and then they stopped listening to him. He starts telling them to put their hands on the car and whatnot. After not very long, one of the guys rush him and he's fighting him off pretty well when the other guy jumps in and they get him down. He goes just off the camera to the lower right but you see them down on the ground with him and then one stands up and starts pumping bullets into him. Again, the cop at this point is just off camera but you see them wrestle him to the ground and everything and then the shooting. I was flat amazed they showed it on normal cable TV. It was quite eye opening on how quickly a situation can go completely horrible.

I remember that video. Very sad.

Being female doesn't give you carte blanche with law enforcement officers, period.

Sadly, this is lost on some people. I saw this clip posted on Facebook by one of the national media sources and there were more than a few "NEVER HIT A FEMALE!!!11!" type comments.

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 02:20 PM
Nick, you're actually framing the question too mildly. I'm pretty well-versed and have experience with these issues, and the cop had every right to secure the scene in furtherance of his duties. In fact, the woman in red could still be arrested, charged and probably convicted for Assault on a Peace Officer, a serious felony, especially while in the performance of his duties.

Watch the video closely: the suspect in black forcibly disengages the officer who's trying to detain her. That's bad enough, but then the cousin in red - an uninvolved bystander - pushes the suspect away from the cop, tries to interpose her body between the cop and the suspect, grabs his wrists, and with both her arms shoves him backwards. That 's a felony, plain and simple. And it was prior to the cop punching her, which is important.


Obviously the problem for the force is the visual, a right cross to the chops is not exactly a standard police tactic, and the video is disturbing. Add to that the many awkward status discrepancies - cop strikes citizen - man strikes woman - white strikes black - adult strikes juvenile ... all of these work against the cop. Can't predict how the force or the ciity will respond, there are obviously political issues. Not much of a black community here to protest the incident, not a vocal one anyway. Plus this is a top 10 most dangerous intersection for pedestrians, and reportedly the school there had requested more police presence.

But the bottom line is : You simply never put hands on a cop, never. Especially never to interfere with an arrest.

So would you agree that in this instance, given the charges they ultimately received, the girl(s) got off easy?

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 02:22 PM
Just to put this out there since a lot here are commenting that they could or should have been charged. One was charged with obstruction and the other was charged with resisting arrest. They both went to jail. One went to county and the other to juvy.

And hopefully that stands. I could see this being one of those things that is better resolved if everyone just forgets about it.

jhns
06-16-2010, 02:25 PM
Oops, I had the charges wrong in my last post. Here is a quote from the link I posted a while ago.

"Eventually the officer managed to handcuff the first suspect as well as the girl he punched. The 19-year-old woman was booked into King County Jail for obstructing an officer. The 17-year-old girl, who was punched, was taken to the Youth Service Center for investigation of assault on an officer. Both females were cited for jaywalking."

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 02:27 PM
I remember that video. Very sad.



It was. I looked on youtube and clicked one where an old white guy in a truck ends up shooting a cop. The cop yells at the guy repeatedly when he's being threatening, calls for backup, even calls on his radio when the guy first pulls a gun. I'd have been pulling a trigger at the first sight of a gun and these people have to show way more restraint than I could ever imagine. Hearing the cops scream as he was being shot was as much as I could handle so I stopped looking for the video anymore. Didn't see it displayed and I wasn't watching anymore to find it.

If only we all had the power to know how a situation was going to end up so we could make the right decisions in the process.

OBF1
06-16-2010, 02:43 PM
I am guessing the 2 females in the video were on vacation from South/Central LA :)

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 02:48 PM
It was. I looked on youtube and clicked one where an old white guy in a truck ends up shooting a cop. The cop yells at the guy repeatedly when he's being threatening, calls for backup, even calls on his radio when the guy first pulls a gun. I'd have been pulling a trigger at the first sight of a gun and these people have to show way more restraint than I could ever imagine. Hearing the cops scream as he was being shot was as much as I could handle so I stopped looking for the video anymore. Didn't see it displayed and I wasn't watching anymore to find it.

If only we all had the power to know how a situation was going to end up so we could make the right decisions in the process.

Back in Omaha one of our family friends was killed when he did a traffic stop on a van. He didn't even have time to unbuckle himself before someone jumped out of the van and shot him to death.

Los Broncos
06-16-2010, 03:02 PM
Wow FB, that is horrible, cops being shots are pretty sad.

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 03:07 PM
Wow FB, that is horrible, cops being shots are pretty sad.

Yeah, it was pretty sad. First time I ever saw my dad cry was at that funeral.

bronclvr
06-16-2010, 03:11 PM
Back in Omaha one of our family friends was killed when he did a traffic stop on a van. He didn't even have time to unbuckle himself before someone jumped out of the van and shot him to death.

Real sorry to hear of this, my condolences-one of my Sons is in College to ultimately become a CSI Detective, and I do worry about him getting hurt-it sucks that sometimes humans get hurt while trying to help/protect other humans-

theAPAOps5
06-16-2010, 03:11 PM
Nick, you're actually framing the question too mildly. I'm pretty well-versed and have experience with these issues, and the cop had every right to secure the scene in furtherance of his duties. In fact, the woman in red could still be arrested, charged and probably convicted for Assault on a Peace Officer, a serious felony, especially while in the performance of his duties.

Watch the video closely: the suspect in black forcibly disengages the officer who's trying to detain her. That's bad enough, but then the cousin in red - an uninvolved bystander - pushes the suspect away from the cop, tries to interpose her body between the cop and the suspect, grabs his wrists, and with both her arms shoves him backwards. That 's a felony, plain and simple. And it was prior to the cop punching her, which is important.


Obviously the problem for the force is the visual, a right cross to the chops is not exactly a standard police tactic, and the video is disturbing. Add to that the many awkward status discrepancies - cop strikes citizen - man strikes woman - white strikes black - adult strikes juvenile ... all of these work against the cop. But he has the right - in fact duty - to secure the scene and detain the suspect, in this case a suspect who was resisting arrest and on the verge of fleeing. Going Joe Frazier on the girl is unorthodox, but in light of the circumstances it does't seem particularly unreasonable. Can't predict how the force or the ciity will respond, there are obviously political issues. Not much of a black community here to protest the incident, not a vocal one anyway. Plus this is a top 10 most dangerous intersection for pedestrians, and reportedly the school there had requested more police presence.

But the bottom line is : You simply never put hands on a cop, never. Especially never to interfere with an arrest.

Very good points but my comment was more in line with the likes of a bad taste joke....... You know the old "What do you tell a woman with 2 black eyes...... Nothing you already told her twice!"

But I really liked your response so I am glad my joke attempt failed.

Los Broncos
06-16-2010, 03:14 PM
Yeah, it was pretty sad. First time I ever saw my dad cry was at that funeral.

I have a lot of respect for cops, mostly because they let me go because I told the truth, was high while driving, had a few beers ect...

My first baseball coach was a sheriff, he was a big influence to me with not only baseball, but school and life itself.

To be a cop, how tough mentally do you have to be?

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 03:16 PM
Real sorry to hear of this, my condolences-one of my Sons is in College to ultimately become a CSI Detective, and I do worry about him getting hurt-it sucks that sometimes humans get hurt while trying to help/protect other humans-

Thanks. It didn't effect me too much as I was only 9 at the time and had only met the guy once or twice maybe, but my dad was friends with the cop's dad (who was a retired cop himself) and knew the son through him. That said, the first time you see your dad cry is one of those life moments.

Hopefully your boy won't have something like that happen to him. Hope he keeps himself safe.

gyldenlove
06-16-2010, 03:17 PM
Nick, you're actually framing the question too mildly. I'm pretty well-versed and have experience with these issues, and the cop had every right to secure the scene in furtherance of his duties. In fact, the woman in red could still be arrested, charged and probably convicted for Assault on a Peace Officer, a serious felony, especially while in the performance of his duties.

Watch the video closely: the suspect in black forcibly disengages the officer who's trying to detain her. That's bad enough, but then the cousin in red - an uninvolved bystander - pushes the suspect away from the cop, tries to interpose her body between the cop and the suspect, grabs his wrists, and with both her arms shoves him backwards. That 's a felony, plain and simple. And it was prior to the cop punching her, which is important.


Obviously the problem for the force is the visual, a right cross to the chops is not exactly a standard police tactic, and the video is disturbing. Add to that the many awkward status discrepancies - cop strikes citizen - man strikes woman - white strikes black - adult strikes juvenile ... all of these work against the cop. But he has the right - in fact duty - to secure the scene and detain the suspect, in this case a suspect who was resisting arrest and on the verge of fleeing. Going Joe Frazier on the girl is unorthodox, but in light of the circumstances it does't seem particularly unreasonable. Can't predict how the force or the ciity will respond, there are obviously political issues. Not much of a black community here to protest the incident, not a vocal one anyway. Plus this is a top 10 most dangerous intersection for pedestrians, and reportedly the school there had requested more police presence.

But the bottom line is : You simply never put hands on a cop, never. Especially never to interfere with an arrest.

That is true, but the caveat being that can only use the for the situation appropriate amount of force. If you do not include that small but important clause the officer would have been able to step back pull out his gun and blow both girls heads clean off.

In the situation the use of force seems to have achieved its purpose, however if the force was excessive compared to other methods they could have achieved the same result the cop could still be disciplined. In this case the alternative would have been pepper spray which would probably have been a more correct choice. Ultimately I doubt the cop is going to be disciplined but he may be required to take a course on the use of physical force.

Really the biggest issue it seems in this case is wether the girls posed a credible threat to the cop, if no credible percieved threat existed that punch could be deemed excessive use of force.

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 03:30 PM
I have a lot of respect for cops, mostly because they let me go because I told the truth, was high while driving, had a few beers ect... I had my school resource left me off with a warning in my senior year of high school. He caught me on the security camera doing a burnout back in the parking lot but since I didn't try to lie about, he just gave me a warning instead of a ticket.

To be a cop, how tough mentally do you have to be? You'd have to ask someone who's there now. :P

That said, it's hit or miss. Some people do just fine, others do fine but get jaded with life and look at everyone as a criminal, and some just turn into miserable people.

My good friend keeps copy of Friedrich Nietzsche's quote (“If you gaze long into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you”) in his locker. Says it reminds him to keep his humanity.

BroncoBuff
06-16-2010, 03:41 PM
So would you agree that in this instance, given the charges they ultimately received, the girl(s) got off easy?

Haven't heard any decision on charges, seems a bit early for that.

Brain dead point is this started as just a written citation for jaywalking. Jaywalking's not even a crime, it's just an "infraction," same as a traffic ticket. For this to escalate into the spectacle we see there, that's not the cop's fault, it's the girls' fault, and both should be charged. Black shirt with jaywalking and either disorderly conduct or resisting arrest ... red shirt with interfering with police officer and simple assault or assault on a peace officer. I'd give the cop 30 days desk duty and require he take and pass a " Reasonabale use of non-lethal force" class.

Boss Man
06-16-2010, 03:41 PM
i think its ***in rediculous that you can be arrested for "jwalking".

i dont understand how you can justify arresting someone for "illegaly crossing a street". I mean who the *** are you to tell me how to "properly" cross the street?

its just a big waste of time when these "police" could be attending to something that is actually negativley impacting society.

just one of the many laws that are complete horse****.

and yes i do jwalk regularly...mainly out of spite for this dumb ass law.

boltaneer
06-16-2010, 03:45 PM
i think its ***in rediculous that you can be arrested for "jwalking".

i dont understand how you can justify arresting someone for "illegaly crossing a street". I mean who the *** are you to tell me how to "properly" cross the street?

its just a big waste of time when these "police" could be attending to something that is actually negativley impacting society.

just one of the many laws that are complete horse****.

and yes i do jwalk regularly...mainly out of spite for this dumb ass law.

Maybe we'll see you on YouTube one day. :flower:

Jaywalking is a silly thing but who in their right mind puts their hands on a cop? What is wrong with kids these days?

bronclvr
06-16-2010, 03:45 PM
i think its ***in rediculous that you can be arrested for "jwalking".

i dont understand how you can justify arresting someone for "illegaly crossing a street". I mean who the *** are you to tell me how to "properly" cross the street?

its just a big waste of time when these "police" could be attending to something that is actually negativley impacting society.

just one of the many laws that are complete horse****.

and yes i do jwalk regularly...mainly out of spite for this dumb ass law.


:oyvey:

yerner
06-16-2010, 03:47 PM
i think its ***in rediculous that you can be arrested for "jwalking".

i dont understand how you can justify arresting someone for "illegaly crossing a street". I mean who the *** are you to tell me how to "properly" cross the street?

its just a big waste of time when these "police" could be attending to something that is actually negativley impacting society.

just one of the many laws that are complete horse****.

and yes i do jwalk regularly...mainly out of spite for this dumb ass law.


Way to fight the power.

Florida_Bronco
06-16-2010, 03:55 PM
i think its ***in rediculous that you can be arrested for "jwalking".

i dont understand how you can justify arresting someone for "illegaly crossing a street". As the post above you outlines, you can't get arrested for jaywalking. A ticket, yes, but no arrest.

I mean who the *** are you to tell me how to "properly" cross the street? It's done for the safety of the pedestrians and motorists.

its just a big waste of time when these "police" could be attending to something that is actually negativley impacting society.

just one of the many laws that are complete horse****. This is a way for the police to come in contact with people and check for those who have drugs, weapons, warrants...etc. Seems pretty logical given that according to BroncoBuff, this is a rough part of town and the local school requested an increased police presence.

and yes i do jwalk regularly...mainly out of spite for this dumb ass law. http://cobornsdelivers.files.wordpress.com/2009/09/chocolate-chip-cookie.jpg

BroncoBuff
06-16-2010, 03:55 PM
i think its ***in rediculous that you can be arrested for "jwalking".

I hear you, an arrest for jaywalking is massive overkill. But a couple things: 1) Cop tried to cite her, but she resisted and refuse to sign the citation, and 2) Supreme Court ruled on this about 6-8 years ago, granting broad police powers for detention. That case was actual very similar in circumstances to this one, a woman refused to sign a speeding ticket, and was arrested.


i dont understand how you can justify arresting someone for "illegaly crossing a street". I mean who the *** are you to tell me how to "properly" cross the street?

Who are *** are they to tell you? They are your duly-elected represntatives, THEY make the laws, not you comrade. This is America, love it or get the **** out!

You liberals p*** me the **** off the way you think you know everything.

barryr
06-16-2010, 03:59 PM
Cities all across the nation are trying to get money however they can and this is just one more example. I have heard of people getting tickets for going only 3 miles per hour the speed limit. If you cited though, you don't act the fool like this lady. Though l don't like what the police officer was doing, I'm not sure what alternative he had in that situation.

521 1N5
06-16-2010, 04:14 PM
Yes he was in the right, shoulda clocked the other girl as well.

I will say this tho, in that enviornment he's lucky he didn't get jumped.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 04:21 PM
i think its ***in rediculous that you can be arrested for "jwalking".

i dont understand how you can justify arresting someone for "illegaly crossing a street". I mean who the *** are you to tell me how to "properly" cross the street?

its just a big waste of time when these "police" could be attending to something that is actually negativley impacting society.

just one of the many laws that are complete horse****.

and yes i do jwalk regularly...mainly out of spite for this dumb ass law.

154 posts in just over 2 years.

With quality like this, let me be the first to say thanks for keeping that post count low. You should visit for 155 sometime around, say, the 3rd week in February.

Quoydogs
06-16-2010, 04:26 PM
Originally Posted by McApaOps5 View Post
Okay 2 pages in and the real question is.....

Did he have to tell her twice?
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Nick, you're actually framing the question too mildly. I'm pretty well-versed and have experience with these issues, and the cop had every right to secure the scene in furtherance of his duties. In fact, the woman in red could still be arrested, charged and probably convicted for Assault on a Peace Officer, a serious felony, especially while in the performance of his duties.

Watch the video closely: the suspect in black forcibly disengages the officer who's trying to detain her. That's bad enough, but then the cousin in red - an uninvolved bystander - pushes the suspect away from the cop, tries to interpose her body between the cop and the suspect, grabs his wrists, and with both her arms shoves him backwards. That 's a felony, plain and simple. And it was prior to the cop punching her, which is important.


Obviously the problem for the force is the visual, a right cross to the chops is not exactly a standard police tactic, and the video is disturbing. Add to that the many awkward status discrepancies - cop strikes citizen - man strikes woman - white strikes black - adult strikes juvenile ... all of these work against the cop. But he has the right - in fact duty - to secure the scene and detain the suspect, in this case a suspect who was resisting arrest and on the verge of fleeing. Going Joe Frazier on the girl is unorthodox, but in light of the circumstances it does't seem particularly unreasonable. Can't predict how the force or the ciity will respond, there are obviously political issues. Not much of a black community here to protest the incident, not a vocal one anyway. Plus this is a top 10 most dangerous intersection for pedestrians, and reportedly the school there had requested more police presence.

But the bottom line is : You simply never put hands on a cop, never. Especially never to interfere with an arrest.
I thought he was refering to the old saying. What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?

Nothing you already told her twice. ROFL!

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 04:31 PM
Originally Posted by McApaOps5 View Post
Okay 2 pages in and the real question is.....

Did he have to tell her twice?
-------------------------------------------------------------------------


I thought he was refering to the old saying. What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?

Nothing you already told her twice. ROFL!

Agreed. He was. But Buff went and took the joke away with a solid response.

Quoydogs
06-16-2010, 04:42 PM
Agreed. He was. But Buff went and took the joke away with a solid response.

Bastard !

DomCasual
06-16-2010, 04:45 PM
i think its ***in rediculous that you can be arrested for "jwalking".

i dont understand how you can justify arresting someone for "illegaly crossing a street". I mean who the *** are you to tell me how to "properly" cross the street?

its just a big waste of time when these "police" could be attending to something that is actually negativley impacting society.

just one of the many laws that are complete horse****.

and yes i do jwalk regularly...mainly out of spite for this dumb ass law.

Are you serious?

She wasn't arrested for "jwalking." She was arrested for assaulting an officer.

Please tell me you understand the distinction.

Did you even watch the video?

Dagmar
06-16-2010, 05:08 PM
http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/159737-3/Cop_punches_woman.gif

Dagmar
06-16-2010, 05:09 PM
http://i.imgur.com/uMbSZ.gif

El Guapo
06-16-2010, 06:27 PM
He was defending himself against two violent persons. He acted with the proper use of force. Hell, he could have tased both of 'em.

Dedhed
06-16-2010, 06:32 PM
The fact that jaywalking started the whole thing just screams profiling/entrapment to me. Seriously, when was the last time jaywalking was mentioned with anything but tongue in cheek snickering?

ohiobronco2
06-16-2010, 06:32 PM
http://i.imgur.com/uMbSZ.gif

:rofl::notworthy

ohiobronco2
06-16-2010, 06:38 PM
I'm the a**hole who watches the high speed chases on those police shows and wishes they had the authority to take those f****** out with an Apache helicopter. With that being said, the officer has to show more restraint. Just about everyone who watches this video wants to punch these dumb ******* in the face, but officers of the law are held to a higher standard for a reason. He should have followed protocol, used his taser on her dumb a**, called in backup and called it a day.

OBF1
06-16-2010, 06:42 PM
The fact that jaywalking started the whole thing just screams profiling/entrapment to me. Seriously, when was the last time jaywalking was mentioned with anything but tongue in cheek snickering?

If you lived in a city with more than your family tree gomer, you would know this happens every day.

Profiling??? what the eff, The females broke the law, then started pushing the officer..... and the one that got clocked was alot bigger than the Cop.

I laugh in your general direction. :rofl:

OBF1
06-16-2010, 06:43 PM
http://4gifs.com/gallery/d/159737-3/Cop_punches_woman.gif

This just never gets old LOL

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 06:50 PM
This just never gets old LOL

When she pushed him, she clearly balled up her fists like she wanted to throw before the cop put one on her chin.

ohiobronco2
06-16-2010, 06:53 PM
The fact that jaywalking started the whole thing just screams profiling/entrapment to me. Seriously, when was the last time jaywalking was mentioned with anything but tongue in cheek snickering?

It's just like Nazi Germany.

Dr. Broncenstein
06-16-2010, 07:16 PM
i think its ***in rediculous that you can be arrested for "jwalking".

i dont understand how you can justify arresting someone for "illegaly crossing a street". I mean who the *** are you to tell me how to "properly" cross the street?

its just a big waste of time when these "police" could be attending to something that is actually negativley impacting society.

just one of the many laws that are complete horse****.

and yes i do jwalk regularly...mainly out of spite for this dumb ass law.

http://www.hahastop.com/pictures/Cool_Story_Brah.jpg

Popps
06-16-2010, 07:24 PM
Anyway, back on topic.... I think the woman was in the right.

People should pretty much be allowed to break up an arrest using physical force whenever they disagree with an officer. In fact, she should have taken a swing at him for disrespecting her.

theAPAOps5
06-16-2010, 07:30 PM
Originally Posted by McApaOps5 View Post
Okay 2 pages in and the real question is.....

Did he have to tell her twice?
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I thought he was refering to the old saying. What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?

Nothing you already told her twice. ROFL!

I was but he posted a great response!

BroncoBuff
06-16-2010, 07:38 PM
I thought he was refering to the old saying. What do you tell a woman with two black eyes?

Nothing you already told her twice.

This is very funny ... and yet I feel guilty for laughing ???

WolfpackGuy
06-16-2010, 07:44 PM
There's a pedestrian overpass right there.

That's not jaywalking, that's just effin lazy.

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 07:46 PM
There's a pedestrian overpass right there.

That's not jaywalking, that's just effin lazy.

No wonder cop dude felt the need to cite them.

RhymesayersDU
06-16-2010, 07:50 PM
I will never get some people in this world. You simply do not argue with the police in the field. It's not a fight you'll ever win. You're never going to convince them not to give you a ticket, or arrest you, or whatever. You take it on the chin, and if you feel like you need to, you go to court later. And you surely never put your hands on one.

This is slightly off topic but somewhat applies. I'm leaving Vegas this past Sunday. Standing in line to get on my flight, we're told that TSA is doing additional screening. Everybody just needs to do a quick ID check.

So it's going smoothly until somebody behind me says to the guy:
"So if this is a random screening, why do you need everybody's ID?" He then tries to show the TSA agent his ID through the window but doesn't actually take it out of his wallet. He was being a dick on purpose, at least IMO. They go back and forth, and then the agent has to call his supervisor.

Bottom line here is that nothing happened. Situation was defused quietly. But like, what was the point of giving the TSA agent a hard time? What was the point of the "If this is a random screening, why do you need everybody's ID" question? I mean, are you really going to out-logic this guy? Is he going to say "You know what, you're right! I'm out of here!" To be honest I really wish they would have detained the guy, just to teach him a lesson.

I'm not saying that police and other forms of law enforcement should never be questioned; quite the contrary. But pulling some B.S. like that right then and there is just stupid. Again, it's never a fight you're going to win. The next time somebody tells a cop "I'm innocent" and is then let free will be the first. The girls in that video are stupid. The first girl should have just gotten cuffed, and the other girl surely should not have tried to break it up.

Should the cop have punched the girl? Maybe, maybe not. But you never should put yourself in a position where a cop feels like he needs to use force against you.

Cosmo
06-16-2010, 08:07 PM
Bottom line is, this is a non-issue if the cop punched a dude. Women don't get freebie pushes at cops. Sure, he could have used his taser, pepper spray, or some other method. But when you get attacked by two people, you tend to react rather than think.

It should not matter that they are women. Sorry, but I call equal rights on this one.

Jason in LA
06-16-2010, 08:24 PM
Those girls were wrong, and you never put your hands on an officer. That's just asking for trouble.

But I don't think that gives an officer the green light to start punching people. He wasn't in any danger, he just took a free shot and he'll hide behind his badge.

Give the girls the citations for what ever they did, and write that officer up too. Cops can't do that type of thing. It's just wrong.

baja
06-16-2010, 08:50 PM
Bottom line is, this is a non-issue if the cop punched a dude. Women don't get freebie pushes at cops. Sure, he could have used his taser, pepper spray, or some other method. But when you get attacked by two people,<b> you tend to react rather than think.</b>

It should not matter that they are women. Sorry, but I call equal rights on this one.

And that is the one thing a police officer is trained to never do. It's giving into your emotions like that will get you and maybe your partner killed

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 08:53 PM
Those girls were wrong, and you never put your hands on an officer. That's just asking for trouble.

But I don't think that gives an officer the green light to start punching people. He wasn't in any danger, he just took a free shot and he'll hide behind his badge.

Give the girls the citations for what ever they did, and write that officer up too. Cops can't do that type of thing. It's just wrong.

There was nothing wrong with what the officer did there.

The girl that was not wearing pink jostled with the officer for several seconds before the girl in pink assaulted him and bowed up. The cop held restraint on the first girl, and when the situation got out of control because the second girl got involved he reacted to take control.

Like I said before, you cannot mitigate the law based on gender or race...especially when the officer's life is potentially in danger. His job is to enforce the law. Those girls egregiously broke the law several times and put his life in danger. That's a big no-no.

Dedhed
06-16-2010, 08:56 PM
I will never get some people in this world. You simply do not argue with the police in the field. It's not a fight you'll ever win. You're never going to convince them not to give you a ticket, or arrest you, or whatever. You take it on the chin, and if you feel like you need to, you go to court later. And you surely never put your hands on one.

This is slightly off topic but somewhat applies. I'm leaving Vegas this past Sunday. Standing in line to get on my flight, we're told that TSA is doing additional screening. Everybody just needs to do a quick ID check.

So it's going smoothly until somebody behind me says to the guy:
"So if this is a random screening, why do you need everybody's ID?" He then tries to show the TSA agent his ID through the window but doesn't actually take it out of his wallet. He was being a dick on purpose, at least IMO. They go back and forth, and then the agent has to call his supervisor.

Bottom line here is that nothing happened. Situation was defused quietly. But like, what was the point of giving the TSA agent a hard time? What was the point of the "If this is a random screening, why do you need everybody's ID" question? I mean, are you really going to out-logic this guy? Is he going to say "You know what, you're right! I'm out of here!" To be honest I really wish they would have detained the guy, just to teach him a lesson.

I'm not saying that police and other forms of law enforcement should never be questioned; quite the contrary. But pulling some B.S. like that right then and there is just stupid. Again, it's never a fight you're going to win. The next time somebody tells a cop "I'm innocent" and is then let free will be the first. The girls in that video are stupid. The first girl should have just gotten cuffed, and the other girl surely should not have tried to break it up.

Should the cop have punched the girl? Maybe, maybe not. But you never should put yourself in a position where a cop feels like he needs to use force against you.

This country was founded and has become the greatest in the world because people refuse to stand for injustice.

Some our proudest moments have come because people refuse to cow to corrupt douche bag authority figures.

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 08:59 PM
This country was founded and has become the greatest in the world because people refuse to stand for injustice.

Some our proudest moments have come because people refuse to cow to corrupt douche bag authority figures.

Thats exactly why its important to be able to discern between real injustice and sappy sympathy based on simplistic views of events.

There was no injustice in that video. The only injustice is that the girls werent dealt with more harshly and that the people standing around the cop did not try to calm them down.

Dedhed
06-16-2010, 08:59 PM
If you lived in a city with more than your family tree gomer, you would know this happens every day.

Profiling??? what the eff, The females broke the law, then started pushing the officer..... and the one that got clocked was alot bigger than the Cop.

I laugh in your general direction. :rofl:
I live in a city where if a cop is citing people for jaywalking he's scared to be where he's actually needed and just prefers harassing people.

Jason in LA
06-16-2010, 09:02 PM
There was nothing wrong with what the officer did there.

The girl that was not wearing pink jostled with the officer for several seconds before the girl in pink assaulted him and bowed up. The cop held restraint on the first girl, and when the situation got out of control he reacted to take control.

Like I said before, you cannot mitigate the law based on gender or race...especially when the officer's life is potentially in danger. His job is to enforce the law. Those girls egregiously broke the law several times and put his life in danger. That's a big no-no.

Actually, there is a lot wrong with what the officer did.

I sat in a meeting a while back with the Inglewood chief of police after a few police shootings. They were retraining their officers. The group that was doing the training said that most officers are not properly trained, so events like unneeded shootings or other types of violence happens. Just like in that video. There was no reason for the officer to do that. Like I said, the women were wrong, but officers can't just have a green light over something like that to go around punching people. Poor decisions like that cost tax payers a lot of money in lawsuits.

Dedhed
06-16-2010, 09:03 PM
Thats exactly why its important to be able to discern between real injustice and sappy sympathy based on simplistic views of events.

There was no injustice in that video. The only injustice is that the girls werent dealt with more harshly and that the people standing around the cop did not try to calm them down.
You have no idea if little cop boys actions leading up to that were just or not.

It's pretty clear from the video that that cop could have dealt with that in a far better manner. He's clearly shown terrible judgement by engaging a group without any help on the scene, and further proved his poor judgement with the punch.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-16-2010, 09:06 PM
Today we salute you mister teenage minority punching cop man.

Mister teenage minority punching cop maaaaaan!

If a minority resists arrest, you don't take any of their ****.

Noooone of their **** noooow!

And if it's a black girl who just left the mall with her friends, look out. You're hitting her so hard, Martin Luther King Jr. will feel it.

I have a dreaaaa-heeeeeem!

You're not committing assault. You're making the streets of America a safer place. Because everyone knows teenage girls need to be put in their place.

Ameeeeeeeeerican heeeeeeero!

So crack open an ice cold Bud Light, Copper. Minorities are dangerous, but teenage female minorities are a blight on humanity.

Mister teenage minority punching cop maaaaaan!

Jason in LA
06-16-2010, 09:08 PM
The only injustice is that the girls werent dealt with more harshly and that the people standing around the cop did not try to calm them down.

So, the cop should have gotten in a few more punches?

BroncosSR
06-16-2010, 09:09 PM
I will never get some people in this world. You simply do not argue with the police in the field. It's not a fight you'll ever win. You're never going to convince them not to give you a ticket, or arrest you, or whatever. You take it on the chin, and if you feel like you need to, you go to court later. And you surely never put your hands on one.

This is slightly off topic but somewhat applies. I'm leaving Vegas this past Sunday. Standing in line to get on my flight, we're told that TSA is doing additional screening. Everybody just needs to do a quick ID check.

So it's going smoothly until somebody behind me says to the guy:
"So if this is a random screening, why do you need everybody's ID?" He then tries to show the TSA agent his ID through the window but doesn't actually take it out of his wallet. He was being a dick on purpose, at least IMO. They go back and forth, and then the agent has to call his supervisor.

Bottom line here is that nothing happened. Situation was defused quietly. But like, what was the point of giving the TSA agent a hard time? What was the point of the "If this is a random screening, why do you need everybody's ID" question? I mean, are you really going to out-logic this guy? Is he going to say "You know what, you're right! I'm out of here!" To be honest I really wish they would have detained the guy, just to teach him a lesson.

I'm not saying that police and other forms of law enforcement should never be questioned; quite the contrary. But pulling some B.S. like that right then and there is just stupid. Again, it's never a fight you're going to win. The next time somebody tells a cop "I'm innocent" and is then let free will be the first. The girls in that video are stupid. The first girl should have just gotten cuffed, and the other girl surely should not have tried to break it up.

Should the cop have punched the girl? Maybe, maybe not. But you never should put yourself in a position where a cop feels like he needs to use force against you.

Uhm... Rosa Parks?

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 09:17 PM
Actually, there is a lot wrong with what the officer did.

I sat in a meeting a while back with the Inglewood chief of police after a few police shootings. They were retraining their officers. The group that was doing the training said that most officers are not properly trained, so events like unneeded shootings or other types of violence happens. Just like in that video. There was no reason for the officer to do that. Like I said, the women were wrong, but officers can't just have a green light over something like that to go around punching people. Poor decisions like that cost tax payers a lot of money in lawsuits.

There was plenty of justification for him to deal with things the way he did.

The officer clearly exhibited restraint by not dealing with the offender (girl NOT wearing pink) more harshly than he did. He tried to cuff her, but did not want to take her to the ground, so they jostled around for awhile. This happend for a good 10-20 seconds in the video I saw before the girl in pink got involved. The girl in pink interfered with the detention of the other girl. The officer was alone. The possibility that he would become injured or killed rose substantially when the girl in pink interjected herself into the arrest. When people start jumping you, the wheels come off and all hell breaks loose. He was alone and he had to do what needed to be done to re-establish control. His life was literally in danger. It was much better that he clock and cuff that criminal than to shoot her.

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 09:19 PM
So, the cop should have gotten in a few more punches?

No...he should have taken the first criminal to the ground, put her on her stomach, cuffed her, and put her in the back of a police car before her felon friend could get involved.

His only mistake was being too nice.

Taco John
06-16-2010, 09:21 PM
It's still assault, even when the assaulter is wearing a badge. The girl assaulted him, true. But punching her in the face was excessive force, and it's going to be the taxpayer who ends up paying the price for his stupidity.

epicSocialism4tw
06-16-2010, 09:25 PM
It's still assault, even when the assaulter is wearing a badge. The girl assaulted him, true. But punching her in the face was excessive force, and it's going to be the taxpayer who ends up paying the price for his stupidity.

This is part of whats wrong in our country.

These offenders are clearly in the wrong on all counts, the battle escalates to where the officer's life is in danger, he uses physical force to re-establish order, and then some scumbag lawyer sees dollar signs and takes money out of our pockets.

The optimal outcome would be for those criminals to go before a judge, and to learn that they need to respect the law and officers of the law.

baja
06-16-2010, 09:42 PM
This is part of whats wrong in our country.

These offenders are clearly in the wrong on all counts, the battle escalates to where the officer's life is in danger, he uses physical force to re-establish order, and then some scumbag lawyer sees dollar signs and takes money out of our pockets.

The optimal outcome would be for those criminals to go before a judge, and to learn that they need to respect the law and officers of the law.

The cop should never have been that out of control of the situation. He has a radio and he has tools that are designed to give him a clear edge. He is an inexperienced hot head that failed to keep his emotions in check. He is lucky he was not swarmed and disarmed by the crowd.

FireFly
06-16-2010, 09:56 PM
In that neighborhood that is how you ask a girl out.

Gold Hilarious! Hilarious!

Popps
06-16-2010, 10:31 PM
It's still assault, even when the assaulter is wearing a badge. The girl assaulted him, true. But punching her in the face was excessive force, and it's going to be the taxpayer who ends up paying the price for his stupidity.

So, what's he do... mace her? Baton?

Any ideas on subduing a freaked out suspect who just assaulted you?

baja
06-16-2010, 10:36 PM
So, what's he do... mace her? Baton?

Any ideas on subduing a freaked out suspect who just assaulted you?

Both of those suggestions would be better than his fist.

You know how hard headed those girls can be.

baja
06-16-2010, 10:38 PM
Bottom line cop looked like an untrained hot head. He did not act in a professional manner and it will cost him.

DHallblows
06-16-2010, 11:03 PM
I'd just like to point out Bob's advertisement post, it was pretty quality...

baja
06-16-2010, 11:06 PM
I'd just like to point out Bob's advertisement post, it was pretty quality...

Ya I repped him, I think that is a first.

OABB
06-16-2010, 11:59 PM
I doubt bob actually came up with it. although he wouldn't be the type to plagarize so who knows.

Garcia Bronco
06-17-2010, 04:58 AM
Police work is difficult. The officer was making an arrest and he was attacked. What's he supposed to do? Put yourself in his shoes.

Garcia Bronco
06-17-2010, 05:01 AM
Uhm... Rosa Parks?

As wrong as the Jim Crow laws were, Rosa still broke it and she didn't resist arrest. But we are talking about J Walking, which is a saftey issue.

tsiguy96
06-17-2010, 05:05 AM
This country was founded and has become the greatest in the world because people refuse to stand for injustice.

Some our proudest moments have come because people refuse to cow to corrupt douche bag authority figures.

people seem to forget this when disagreeing with the govt and its employees.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 05:32 AM
people seem to forget this when disagreeing with the govt and its employees.

Protest the government. Get laws changed. Refusing to comply with a mere street policeman because you disagree with the law falls somewhere between irresonsible and ignorant.

jhns
06-17-2010, 05:57 AM
Bottom line cop looked like an untrained hot head. He did not act in a professional manner and it will cost him.

Why do you keep saying this? I just linked you to what the police spokesman said. They are trained to use their fists in that situation. The officer did nothing wrong. These girls will not be able to do anything about what happened. The officer will not get in trouble.

The officer was assaulted and needed to gain control of the situation. He did that in a way he was trained to do it. It is funny how so many are talking like they know something when the people training these guys say the exact opposite. Even after seeing that, you just call them liars and go on thinking you know more about police training than the police....

jhns
06-17-2010, 06:02 AM
Protest the government. Get laws changed. Refusing to comply with a mere street policeman because you disagree with the law falls somewhere between irresonsible and ignorant.

Couldn't have said it better myself. I can't believe people are actually trying to justify what these girls did. I guess I knew there was a lack of IQ here.

Hamrob
06-17-2010, 06:11 AM
I think what it boils down to, is whether he needed to punch her to get a hold of the situation. I think there were other ways of doing such.

For instance, what got them so excited in the first place? Was he a total a-hole to begin with?

I don't think the punch was needed...and I think he'll be reprimanded for that.

However, nobody has the right to push or shove or lay a hand on an officer. Who the hell did they think they were. They're lucky he didn't taze the hell out of them...which is what should have happened.

And, regardless of the officers behavior...both women should be charged with assaulting a police officer. They shouldn't get a way with the way they acted.

RhymesayersDU
06-17-2010, 06:14 AM
Uhm... Rosa Parks?

I think we'd both agree that is not the same thing. She knowingly broke the law, and she took the punishment. She didn't ever lay her hands on a police officer.

I'm all for protesting and whatnot. I'm fine for people taking a stand. Everybody in this country has a voice. But if you're getting arrested, in the heat of that moment, trying to fight a cop is a bad play, and will only get you in more trouble.

jhns
06-17-2010, 06:31 AM
He wot get in trouble. He did as he was trained. Again, here is what his boss is saying.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/421842_cop16.html?source=mypi

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012122660_coppunch16m.html

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 06:51 AM
He wot get in trouble. He did as he was trained. Again, here is what his boss is saying.

http://www.seattlepi.com/local/421842_cop16.html?source=mypi

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/html/localnews/2012122660_coppunch16m.html

He had the same assessment that I did:

He did nothing wrong," O'Neill said. "If anything, I think he maybe waited a little too long to engage in force because I think he was trying to defuse the situation and calm people down and it was obvious from the audio anyway of the two individuals that they were not going to be calmed down.

"They were not going to comply in any way."

Let's put the accountability where it needs to be: They escalated the situation.

"You escalate a situation when you put your hands on a uniformed officer -- you have no reason to do that," O'Neill said. "There's no justification to ever do that. And when you make that decision to go down that road then the officer is going to resort to their training."

"The race issue gets old after a while; it really does," O'Neill said, adding Seattle and the community can lose credibility.

"I am confident that this officer would have taken the exact same action had it been two white males or white females in their 30s that he was trying to stop for jaywalking. … The officer was reacting to the actions of the violators. The officer was not reacting because of their gender, because of their race.

At the 17-year-old's court hearing Tuesday, the prosecutor asked a judge to keep the teen in juvenile detention, saying she's a threat to the community and noting her minor criminal record that included a deferred prosecution for theft of a motor vehicle.

The alleged violators declined medical aid at the scene, police said. O'Neill, who said he didn't consider a black eye severe, added there were no serious injuries

"I've never turned down an invitation to speak with any group -- I think good things happen when people are talking to each other," he said. "But it becomes difficult to continue to do that when you have people throwing out these incredible accusations of it's racism and it's this and it's that when they don't want to take any accountability to say why didn't the two individuals just comply?"

baja
06-17-2010, 07:06 AM
Why do you keep saying this? <b>I just linked you to what the police spokesman said. They are trained to use their fists in that situation.</b> The officer did nothing wrong. These girls will not be able to do anything about what happened. The officer will not get in trouble.

The officer was assaulted and needed to gain control of the situation. He did that in a way he was trained to do it. It is funny how so many are talking like they know something when the people training these guys say the exact opposite. Even after seeing that, you just call them liars and go on thinking you know more about police training than the police....

I must have missed that. I agree the girls were wrong in going after the cop but IMO the cop made a series of poor choices. He should have called for back up. He should have had his pepper spray at the ready (there was a crowd of hostile people around him) and cuffed the first girl more deftly. As soon as the larger girl stepped in he should have sprayed her and finished cuffing the first girl than cuffed big Burtha. The way he did it he put himself at unnecessary risk and I will bet that is what they are saying to him regardless of what the spokesman says to the media.

bowtown
06-17-2010, 07:07 AM
The officer would be suspended right now if the women had been white... just saying.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 07:13 AM
The officer would be suspended right now if the women had been white... just saying.

Goodness.

Some people just cannot see beyond race. Its like there's a wall of racism that stops all thought from occurring beyond it.

jhns
06-17-2010, 07:17 AM
The officer would be suspended right now if the women had been white... just saying.

Way to race bait you racist POS....

bowtown
06-17-2010, 07:17 AM
Goodness.

Some people just cannot see beyond race. Its like there's a wall of racism that stops all thought from occurring beyond it.

Totally agree, but that has no bearing on my statement being right.

bowtown
06-17-2010, 07:18 AM
Way to race bait you racist POS....

Not baiting, just stating. I'm not attaching a judgment to it either way.

baja
06-17-2010, 07:19 AM
The officer would be suspended right now if the women had been white... just saying.


I disagree, this is not a racial situation. I don't care is your green with three titts you are not going to get away with putting your hands on a cop.

In an earlier post I said he would be suspended but now i don't think so. The police department can not give in to ungrounded charges of racism and thatis whatthey would be doing if the suspend the cop.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 07:21 AM
Not baiting, just stating. I'm not attaching a judgment to it either way.

No, you made a judgment. You said that race played a role in the suspension of the officer.

Istead of seeing behavior, you see skin color. That's racism.

bowtown
06-17-2010, 07:22 AM
I disagree, this is not a racial situation. I don't care is your green with three titts you are not going to get away with putting your hands on a cop.

In an earlier post I said he would be suspended but now i don't think so. The police department can not give in to ungrounded charges of racism and thatis whatthey would be doing if the suspend the cop.

I'm in no way saying that the officer should be punished in this situation. I'm just saying that if the women were white, there is a much higher chance that he would have been punished... right or wrong.

jhns
06-17-2010, 07:22 AM
I must have missed that. I agree the girls were wrong in going after the cop but IMO the cop made a series of poor choices. He should have called for back up. He should have had his pepper spray at the ready (there was a crowd of hostile people around him) and cuffed the first girl more deftly. As soon as the larger girl stepped in he should have sprayed her and finished cuffing the first girl than cuffed big Burtha. The way he did it he put himself at unnecessary risk and I will bet that is what they are saying to him regardless of what the spokesman says to the media.

I will agree he will probably be yelled at for being too nice to the first girl. He should have planted her face into the ground the second she started resisting. That is what has happened to everyone that I have ever seen do what that girl was doing.

Broncoman13
06-17-2010, 07:24 AM
Actually, there is a lot wrong with what the officer did.

I sat in a meeting a while back with the Inglewood chief of police after a few police shootings. They were retraining their officers. The group that was doing the training said that most officers are not properly trained, so events like unneeded shootings or other types of violence happens. Just like in that video. There was no reason for the officer to do that. Like I said, the women were wrong, but officers can't just have a green light over something like that to go around punching people. Poor decisions like that cost tax payers a lot of money in lawsuits.

I'm not agreeing or disagreeing with you here. I think you've made some good points and I think that training is most likely an issue. Very hard to keep personnel trained-up on all of the new procedures, policies, initiatives, and so on... Not an excuse for a PO to use a weapon, but IMO it's understandable. If you don't have the proper training or haven't lived through doing it wrong and learning the hard way, it can be difficult to make the right decision.

For example, some of the options people have mentioned for the punching cop were A) Draw his weapon.

Go down that path for a second, he draws his weapon to try to gain control of both subjects. Busy streets with multiple bystanders. Lets say the women decide to remain aggressive and continue to charge after him... not many good outcomes if the women continue their aggression.

Better options were probably Pepper Spray or Taser... but the fact remains, the officer reacted in a split second. I personally thought at first that it was excessive and unnecessary, but then he didn't get hurt and neither did the women, relatively speaking. Perhaps the larger issue here is one of Male on Female and White on Black. I agree with those that suggest that had this been a white dude he punched people with cameras probably would have been cheering.

Oh well.

Jason in LA
06-17-2010, 08:33 AM
No...he should have taken the first criminal to the ground, put her on her stomach, cuffed her, and put her in the back of a police car before her felon friend could get involved.

His only mistake was being too nice.

Actually, cuffing her would have been appropriate. He could have easily done that without punching her in the face. That's why he's out of line. The punch was uncalled for. There was no reason to do it. And his life wasn't in danger. A cop can't use that reasoning to use that type of force. Sorry, but there are rules and laws. Just because you have a badge does not mean that you can break them.

If the woman was throwing punches at him, okay, knock her out. But that didn't happen. Just cuff her and put her in the back of the car.

Bob's your Information Minister
06-17-2010, 08:35 AM
I doubt bob actually came up with it.

It's all me, baby. I'm awesome.

Jason in LA
06-17-2010, 08:36 AM
This is part of whats wrong in our country.

These offenders are clearly in the wrong on all counts, the battle escalates to where the officer's life is in danger, he uses physical force to re-establish order, and then some scumbag lawyer sees dollar signs and takes money out of our pockets.

The optimal outcome would be for those criminals to go before a judge, and to learn that they need to respect the law and officers of the law.

If we go by what you are suggesting then cops would be beating the crap out of people left and right, even if it isn't called for. A cop could be having a bad day and just take it out on the public. Sorry, but there has to be some order.

Los Broncos
06-17-2010, 08:37 AM
It's all me, baby. I'm awesome at giving head.

Fixed it.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 08:38 AM
Actually, cuffing her would have been appropriate. He could have easily done that without punching her in the face. That's why he's out of line. The punch was uncalled for. There was no reason to do it. And his life wasn't in danger. A cop can't use that reasoning to use that type of force. Sorry, but there are rules and laws. Just because you have a badge does not mean that you can break them.

If the woman was throwing punches at him, okay, knock her out. But that didn't happen. Just cuff her and put her in the back of the car.

Exactly. Clearly they were just waiting for him to say please before they would comply and put their hands behind their backs. They weren't fighting the guy, they were fighting his lack of courtesy as a matter of principle.

How do you propose he cuff them when two different women are trying to wrestle him? Call on The Force?

baja
06-17-2010, 08:46 AM
Exactly. Clearly they were just waiting for him to say please before they would comply and put their hands behind their backs. They weren't fighting the guy, they were fighting his lack of courtesy as a matter of principle.

How do you propose he cuff them when two different women are trying to wrestle him? Call on The Force?

Pepper spray dude Pepper spray, it's what it's good for.

Fast acting

easy to invoke

temporally debilatating

no lasting effects (unlike the damage a fist could do to the head/brain) area)

Jason in LA
06-17-2010, 08:47 AM
He's a trained cop. They are a couple of women who really weren't posing much threat to him (folks saying his life was in danger are just being silly). If he can't cuff them without punching one of them then he's not very good at his job. And he did have the option of calling for back up.

jhns
06-17-2010, 08:48 AM
Actually, cuffing her would have been appropriate. He could have easily done that without punching her in the face.

Really? It sure looks to me like he was trying to cuff the girl without hitting anyone. How exactly is he supposed to do that when two of them fight their way out of his grasp? I mean, what are you suggesting as a way to cuff people that are bigger than you and not allowing you to cuff them? How exactly is it as easy as just cuff them?

jhns
06-17-2010, 08:51 AM
Pepper spray dude Pepper spray, it's what it's good for.

Fast acting

easy to invoke

temporally debilatating

no lasting effects (unlike the damage a fist could do to the head/brain) area)

Why would he let them go to get some pepper spray? How does letting the suspects get away help with stopping them?

baja
06-17-2010, 08:52 AM
Am I the only one that thinks he is visibly reacting to something she said to him.

She pissed him off on a personal level is what it looks like to me.

jhns
06-17-2010, 08:54 AM
He's a trained cop. They are a couple of women who really weren't posing much threat to him (folks saying his life was in danger are just being silly). If he can't cuff them without punching one of them then he's not very good at his job. And he did have the option of calling for back up.

You are a dumbass. You can easily prove to yourself that this cop actually took it easy on these two because they are girls. I'll tell you what to do. Go out and find a person getting cuffed. Go in and seperate the officer from that person so that person can get away, push the cop, and then square up on him. I bet you won't think these two got it bad after that.

jhns
06-17-2010, 08:55 AM
Am I the only one that thinks he is visibly reacting to something she said to him.

She pissed him off on a personal level is what it looks like to me.

No, it looks like he is reacting to someone seperating him from a person he is arresting. Again, go try that yourself. I bet you get a lot worse than these girls did.

baja
06-17-2010, 08:58 AM
Why would he let them go to get some pepper spray? How does letting the suspects get away help with stopping them?

That's why they carry a dispenser on their tool belt genius.

Like I said he should have assessed the situation before he engaged. Had he done that he would have had the strap over the pepper spray and ready to go. This is a training issue that is my point.

I think you get some joy in watching that punch happen. Am I right?

jhns
06-17-2010, 09:03 AM
That's why they carry a dispenser on their tool belt genius.

Like I said he should have assessed the situation before he engaged. Had he done that he would have had the strap over the pepper spray and ready to go. This is a training issue that is my point.

I think you get some joy in watching that punch happen. Am I right?

Not every cop has every tool that cops use, genius.

He should have assessed the situation? He was trying to write a $5 ticket. Why should he be thinking that these girls are going to get that out of line over something so stupid? That is like saying meter maids should make sure to have guns drawn every time they write a ticket because someone may get mad about it....

You guys also keep going on about backup. Who says he didn't call in backup? I may have missed that part of the story. Is that just an assumption made because other officers weren't there right away? As if they show up the second he calls?....

Quoydogs
06-17-2010, 09:27 AM
Am I the only one here that would rather take a week ass punch to the face, over pepper spray or a Tazer ?

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 09:49 AM
Am I the only one here that would rather take a week ass punch to the face, over pepper spray or a Tazer ?

You and I make two.

ColoradoDarin
06-17-2010, 10:30 AM
Don't know if anyone has linked the actual video (http://www.kirotv.com/video/23904902/index.html) and not just the TV report (language warning), though the TV report is not like Rodney King one (where they edited out the parts of him continually getting up and attacking).

Popps
06-17-2010, 10:39 AM
Hey, he could have tazed her....

Grumps
06-17-2010, 10:45 AM
That's why they carry a dispenser on their tool belt genius.

Like I said he should have assessed the situation before he engaged. Had he done that he would have had the strap over the pepper spray and ready to go. This is a training issue that is my point.

I think you get some joy in watching that punch happen. Am I right?

Getting a weak pop to the beak is better than being sprayed.

bowtown
06-17-2010, 10:48 AM
I hope Josh McDaniels chimes in on this.

OABB
06-17-2010, 10:54 AM
Am I the only one that thinks he is visibly reacting to something she said to him.

She pissed him off on a personal level is what it looks like to me.

yes. Most people know that it was her pushing him that made him mad.

baja
06-17-2010, 10:58 AM
yes. Most people know that it was her pushing him that made him mad.

Ya know it's really only two short sentances here read just the first one in bold and see if that helps you.

Originally Posted by baja
<b>Am I the only one that thinks he is visibly reacting to something she said to him.</b>

She pissed him off on a personal level is what it looks like to me.

baja
06-17-2010, 11:04 AM
Getting a weak pop to the beak is better than being sprayed.

Better for the girl sure but my point has always been it is a poorly chosen procedure for the cop. He risks the crowd turning on him when he is using his fists, had he extended the pepper spray for all to see they were far less likely to rush him because they know they are for sure they would suffer the spray, where as his fist, well he can't punch them all.

I don't think this is a very hard observation to understand yet all I get is well a soft pop in the face is easier to take than pepper spray.

My argument is with his procedure.

boltaneer
06-17-2010, 11:11 AM
Hey, he could have tazed her....

A friend sent me a link to a Seattle radio station talking about the incident. According to that report, the officer didn't have a tazer, for whatever reason (didn't say why).

No mention about pepper spray but I'm in agreement with the others here. I'd rather take a fist to the face than get a tazer or a spray.

brother love
06-17-2010, 12:58 PM
Nobody should put their hands on an officer. She deserved what she got!

OABB
06-17-2010, 01:44 PM
Ya know it's really only two short sentances here read just the first one in bold and see if that helps you.

Originally Posted by baja
<b>Am I the only one that thinks he is visibly reacting to something she said to him.</b>

She pissed him off on a personal level is what it looks like to me.

now I'm even more confused. Am I not understanding what's going on here? It seems that you asked if you were the only one who thought he was mad from something she said, and I said "yes". because everyone else knows it was from a push.

If I am being retarded point it out to me, because I'm hearing the psycho theme in my head when I read your last post. Although you are a crazy old hippie that has disgusting sex and gives himself enemas all the time, I don't think you are stupid or actually crazy. What am I not getting?

baja
06-17-2010, 02:08 PM
now I'm even more confused. Am I not understanding what's going on here? It seems that you asked if you were the only one who thought he was mad from something she said, and I said "yes". because everyone else knows it was from a push.

If I am being retarded point it out to me, because I'm hearing the psycho theme in my head when I read your last post. Although you are a crazy old hippie that has disgusting sex and gives himself enemas all the time, I don't think you are stupid or actually crazy. What am I not getting?

Just about everything.

broncocalijohn
06-17-2010, 02:26 PM
Don't know if anyone has linked the actual video (http://www.kirotv.com/video/23904902/index.html) and not just the TV report (language warning), though the TV report is not like Rodney King one (where they edited out the parts of him continually getting up and attacking).

From that video, both should be going to jail. The last chick is on drugs and deserved the punch. Classy ladies too. Also, watch the video link and see how long it takes to get back up while he is being assulted by the two broads with a ton of lookie loos that could have started more trouble. The video helps the officer, not the broads.

OABB
06-17-2010, 03:05 PM
Just about everything.

great! thanks for clearing that up.

baja
06-17-2010, 03:10 PM
great! thanks for clearing that up.

You presume to know so much about me. As long as you are filled up with that opinion there is not much I can tell you.

Tombstone RJ
06-17-2010, 03:34 PM
Just a couple of spoiled kids not getting their way and escalating the situation. I'm willing to bet that because they are a minority and the cop is a white guy that the cop gets reprimanded for how he handled the situation. Both teens should get disciplined by their parents but because most parents suck ass and will immediately take sides with their kids even though their kids are wrong and morons (just like their parents, see the cycle here) I'm sure they will instead sue the city.

Ain't society great.

boltaneer
06-17-2010, 03:40 PM
Just a couple of spoiled kids not getting their way and escalating the situation. I'm willing to bet that because they are a minority and the cop is a white guy that the cop gets reprimanded for how he handled the situation. Both teens should get disciplined by their parents but because most parents suck ass and will immediately take sides with their kids even though their kids are wrong and morons (just like their parents, see the cycle here) I'm sure they will instead sue the city.

Ain't society great.

If that girl gets one cent out of this, I've lost all faith in our society.

Taco John
06-17-2010, 03:45 PM
If that girl gets one cent out of this, I've lost all faith in our society.


She'll get rich. I doubt that the cop will be able to get away with punching a 17 year old girl in this state.

Tombstone RJ
06-17-2010, 03:46 PM
If that girl gets one cent out of this, I've lost all faith in our society.

Point being is that the parents will side with their kids even though the kids are wrong.

If that was me when I was 17 and my parents saw me acting that way, my ass would be grass and my dad would be the mowing machine. But, that's how a good parent should react.

I'm willing to bet the parents of these spoiled teeny boppers play the race card in order to see if they can somehow profit from the whole thing.

Bad kids = bad parents.

boltaneer
06-17-2010, 03:56 PM
She'll get rich. I doubt that the cop will be able to get away with punching a 17 year old girl in this state.

Does he even know how old they are? And does it really matter? She was interfering with an arrest and then she put her hands on him. I thought he was actually being very patient up until she touched him.

BTW, I'm not really pro law enforcement at all. I know the abuse of power they use all the time. But one thing is common sense, you don't fight with the police. If you have a problem with the situation, you can fight it in court.

Taco John
06-17-2010, 04:08 PM
I think she was absolutely wrong to touch him. But I don't think a jury in this state is going to be down with him punching her as his first reaction. It would be one thing if he started using his mouth, and after a bit of struggle he was left with no choice. But as a first reaction, I don't think he'll get away with it. He may. I guess we'll see. But I doubt it.

Race will definitely exacerbate this situation. The prosecutor will ask if he'd have hit a 17 year old girl in the same situation... The defending attorney will object, but the seed will be planted.

The girls were definitely wrong, but punching her as a first reaction is going to cause him problems when the contingency suit is brought against him by some attorney looking to make a name.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 04:12 PM
Don't know if anyone has linked the actual video (http://www.kirotv.com/video/23904902/index.html) and not just the TV report (language warning), though the TV report is not like Rodney King one (where they edited out the parts of him continually getting up and attacking).

Wow.

End thread.

How any of you can defend that is beyond me. Its beyond defense.

The cop was alone with a bunch of people who exacerbated the situation and egged the girls on. The guys life was definitely in danger. These things escalate into brawls regularly.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 04:14 PM
The girls were definitely wrong, but punching her as a first reaction is going to cause him problems when the contingency suit is brought against him by some attorney looking to make a name.

Punching her in the face kept him from getting jumped.

epicSocialism4tw
06-17-2010, 04:18 PM
Just a couple of spoiled kids not getting their way and escalating the situation. I'm willing to bet that because they are a minority and the cop is a white guy that the cop gets reprimanded for how he handled the situation. Both teens should get disciplined by their parents but because most parents suck ass and will immediately take sides with their kids even though their kids are wrong and morons (just like their parents, see the cycle here) I'm sure they will instead sue the city.

Ain't society great.

Yeah, pretty much.

Scumbag lawyers will see dollar signs and go after some cash.

Race-baiters, bamboozlers, hoodwinks, and swindlers like Jesse Jackson will come in and rile up the black community to make some cash.

This cycle has run its course. It has become a clownshow.

baja
06-17-2010, 04:21 PM
if you haven't watched this you need to...



Quote:
Originally Posted by ColoradoDarin http://www.kirotv.com/video/23904902/index.html
Don't know if anyone has linked the actual video and not just the TV report (language warning), though the TV report is not like Rodney King one (where they edited out the parts of him continually getting up and attacking).

Popps
06-17-2010, 04:53 PM
After watching the full video, I'm starting to change my stance...

Now hearing this girl "speak," it's clear that she's mentally retarded. There's just no excuse for a cop to go around punching mentally handicapped suspects.

OABB
06-17-2010, 05:03 PM
You presume to know so much about me. As long as you are filled up with that opinion there is not much I can tell you.

Absolutely. That's why I asked you to explain Where I was wrong and admitted to being confused.

Killericon
06-17-2010, 05:36 PM
I disagree-with all of the nutjobs out there Cops have no idea who is violent and who is not-I believe they have to control the situation, you never know how it could escalate or get violent-turn the tables for a minute in that situation-what would you do if you were alone and did not have the time to call for backup? As for me, I would hope I could difuse the situation before it got bad, but the Video doesn't who what happened in the minutes before it was shot-

And with all the nutjobs out there, you don't think it's better for a cop to quickly end a situation like that than to let it go on?

baja
06-17-2010, 05:38 PM
Absolutely. That's why I asked you to explain Where I was wrong and admitted to being confused.

No, this is what you said;

Quote:
Originally Posted by orangeandblueblooded
now I'm even more confused. Am I not understanding what's going on here? It seems that you asked if you were the only one who thought he was mad from something she said, and I said "yes". because everyone else knows it was from a push.

If I am being retarded point it out to me, because I'm hearing the psycho theme in my head when I read your last post.

1. Although you are a crazy old hippie ---- if you call 61 old and a guy that has a net worth of well over one million dollars than yes

2. that has disgusting sex ----- could not be further from the truth

3. and gives himself enemas all the time ------ only when necessary which amounts to a few times a year.

(only a fool would ridicule this wonderful health practice)

I don't think you are stupid or actually crazy. What am I not getting?

for the rest of it when did you get elected spokesman for the rest of the board.

So you see you got nothing right. Big spender.

BroncoBuff
06-17-2010, 05:56 PM
The last thing I am is a cop apologist, most guys here know that. But I think the girl in red should do time. You just don't shove a cop. Ever. Period. Never.

This situation isn't that much different from the dashboard cam videos of traffic stops, where a cop is writing a ticket, but the guy wrestles and shoves him into a ditch, then speeds off. The fact they're 17 year old girls doesn't matter much legally.

The cop is REQUIRED to secure order at the scene. Losing control of a scene, not to mention losing a suspect, these are cardinal sins for a cop. Not only was the suspect violently resisting, but bystanders were intervening, and the bystander in red actually assaulted and shoved him to assist the suspect. What was he supposed to do? He had no backup there, so taking the time to wrestle with red-shirt would risk further bystander involvement and loss of the suspect.


Like I said before, going Joe Frazier on the girl looks really really bad, a right cross to the chops is not exactly a standard police tactic. Plus he clearly acted in anger, which is also very bad. But to do his job, what were his alternatives ... pepper spray? Taser?

What would you guys suggest, given the following parameters:

1) He must secure the scene and maintain order
2) He must take the suspect into custody.

baja
06-17-2010, 06:00 PM
He's lucky he did not get himself killed the way he handled the situtation.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 06:06 PM
The last thing I am is a cop apologist, most guys here know that. But I think the girl in red should do time. You just don't shove a cop. Ever. Period. Never.

This situation isn't that much different from the dashboard cam videos of traffic stops, where a cop is writing a ticket, but the guy wrestles and shoves him into a ditch, then speeds off. The fact they're 17 year old girls doesn't matter much legally.

The cop is REQUIRED to secure order at the scene. Losing control of a scene, not to mention losing a suspect, these are cardinal sins for a cop. Not only was the suspect violently resisting, but bystanders were intervening, and the bystander in red actually assaulted and shoved him to assist the suspect. What was he supposed to do? He had no backup there, so taking the time to wrestle with red-shirt would risk further bystander involvement and loss of the suspect.


Like I said before, going Joe Frazier on the girl looks really really bad, a right cross to the chops is not exactly a standard police tactic. Plus he clearly acted in anger, which is also very bad. But to do his job, what were his alternatives ... pepper spray? Taser?

What would you guys suggest, given the following parameters:

1) He must secure the scene and maintain order
2) He must take the suspect into custody.

You see anger, I see instinct.

BroncoBuff
06-17-2010, 06:15 PM
You see anger, I see instinct.

I dunno, you might be right. Just watched from 2:00 to 4:30, when backup arrived. That cop is one calm, cool professional.


Okay, watched the punch a couple more times, and no, I think anger was definitely a part of it.

Like I said, give the cop 30 days desk duty and require he take and pass a "Proper use of non-lethal force" class. Girl in red gets 30-90 days county jail, Girl in black probation.

I HAVE RULED!

Dr. Broncenstein
06-17-2010, 06:35 PM
I just can't believe the girl in red didn't get tazed. If ever a situation existed that justified a taser, this was it.

That One Guy
06-17-2010, 06:41 PM
I dunno, you might be right. Just watched from 2:00 to 4:30, when backup arrived. That cop is one calm, cool professional.


Okay, watched the punch a couple more times, and no, I think anger was definitely a part of it.

Like I said, give the cop 30 days desk duty and require he take and pass a "Proper use of non-lethal force" class. Girl in red gets 30-90 days county jail, Girl in black probation.

I HAVE RULED!

If the cop is being desked in the same way that a cop is put on leave after a shooting, I can agree. Give time for the investigation and for the parties involved and the story overall to blow over.

I want both girls in jail. As some have mentioned, that situation could've caused a riot and ended horribly for that cop. That cannot be forgotten nor forgiven.

Dr. Broncenstein
06-17-2010, 06:45 PM
The cop was completely surrounded and highly outnumbered. Those guys that were hovering behind him are lucky not to have been staring down the business end of his service weapon.

baja
06-17-2010, 06:53 PM
The cop was completely surrounded and highly outnumbered. Those guys that were hovering behind him are lucky not to have been staring down the business end of his service weapon.

Service weapon??

Is he a sperm donor?

ohiobronco2
06-17-2010, 06:54 PM
Don't know if anyone has linked the actual video (http://www.kirotv.com/video/23904902/index.html) and not just the TV report (language warning), though the TV report is not like Rodney King one (where they edited out the parts of him continually getting up and attacking).

This is f***ing ridiculous. While I'm not happy with his response (punching that yetti), he needed to do something to gain control of the situation. I'm sure people are upset with the punch, but I don't know if he even had pepper spray or a taser. Besides, I would rather have a closed fisted punch to the face over either of the other options. It appears as though all he wanted to do was write a citation for jay walking ( I don't care if you agree with the law, this isn't the way to change it, it's there for your safety, see Donte Stallworth's victim.) and these ladies escalated the issue with physical force and poor language. With no backup in sight, this man was the minority and I wonder if that fear played into his response. As far as the girls being under age, how is the officer to know (maybe their mental capacity should have given it away), it's not like their age was tatooed to their foreheads. Besides you do adult crimes (assaulting an officer) you get adult treatment as far as I'm concerned. This is both a racial (see lady in the background and I quote, "I bet white people don't get treated like this for jay walking.") and a generational issue. You add modern media (exposure to police brutality, which heightens fear, especially amongst minorities) and pop culture together and this is what you get.