Obama Gives a Speech.

[Rohirrim]

Or, what if Obama gave a speech and nobody came? I guess, on the OM, that speech wasn't even worth a thread. I'm only putting one up because I was amazed at what a dismal effort it was. Every time I think the country needs Teddy Roosevelt, Obama comes up with another Calvin Coolidge effort.

And yet, basically what we got, in spades, was sentiment. To be sure, it was no doubt deeply felt. And for all anyone knows, there may be, already codified, a whole series of plans in the works related to stopping the oil gusher, cleaning the gulf coast, and implementing a new series of energy policies. And they may be great plans! But if you were hoping that some of that stuff would be revealed on actual teevee cameras, in prime time, well, you were S.O.L.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/15/obamas-oil-spill-speech-w_n_613642.html

The truly ridiculous piece of the thing was the ending. Obama basically told us to pray. I mean, really. WTF?!

So that's the plan: pray like you were a bayou fisherman. Fantastic.

Obama should just go ahead and resign out of embarassment. He's not up for the job. So what? A man has to know his limitations. Palin quit to sell a book. Even that little dimwit realized she was in way over her head. Give Joe Biden a shot. At least then we'll get a little comedy.

[Smiling Assassin27]

I concur. No sense wasting bandwidth on saying more. Fail.

[spdirty]

Can't stand it when a man looks right at me and lies, so, I didnt watch.

[Phantom]

You know it's bad when MSNBC is jumping off the hopey-changey express.

[Spider]

I didnt watch it , I knew what was coming , blah blah blah , green energy , blah blah our kids future, blah blah blah green energy ...........

[Spider]

You know it's bad when MSNBC is jumping off the hopey-changey express.

and see this is what makes us on the left so much better then you well people ( trying to be nice here , but scum , bed wetters , child molesters etc fits so much better) you guys defended everything republican , no matter what , you didnt give 2 ****s about what was best for the country , just your party .......We on the left truly wants whats best for America , when we see someone ****ing up , we call em out ............

[bronclvr]

and see this is what makes us on the left so much better then you well people ( trying to be nice here , but scum , bed wetters , child molesters etc fits so much better) you guys defended everything republican , no matter what , you didnt give 2 ****s about what was best for the country , just your party .......We on the left truly wants whats best for America , when we see someone ****ing up , we call em out ............

c'mon Spider, you're a good guy deep down but this is simply not true-there are idiots on both sides of the aisle-what about the people in the middle? Even some of them are idiots-

It doesn't matter what Party you belong to-it matters who you are-

[Spider]

c'mon Spider, you're a good guy deep down but this is simply not true-there are idiots on both sides of the aisle-what about the people in the middle? Even some of them are idiots-

It doesn't matter what Party you belong to-it matters who you are-

;D you are one of the few down here that doesnt fit the description , and you are right , My post was aimed at the hard right , but you are right about the hard left ....... They are just as bad

[peacepipe]

You know it's bad when MSNBC is jumping off the hopey-changey express.

as opposed to FOX being on the tea-bagging express?

[Rigs11]

gotta love the rightard lunacy;

prior to the spill:

Drill baby drill!

Environmentalists are nutjobs,oil drilling safe!

Less government regulation!

After the spill:

Drill baby drill..... on land!

Environmentalists are to blame for spill for not letting us drill in shallow water!

Government not doing enough to contain spill!

Blame obama for halting oil exploration!

Obama not being tough enough with BP!

Obama is a big meanie to BP and hates capitalism!

Obama pushing his green energy policy!

[Smiling Assassin27]

gotta love the rightard lunacy;

prior to the spill:

Drill baby drill!

Environmentalists are nutjobs,oil drilling safe!

Less government regulation!

After the spill:

Drill baby drill..... on land!

Environmentalists are to blame for spill for not letting us drill in shallow water!

Government not doing enough to contain spill!

Blame obama for halting oil exploration!

Obama not being tough enough with BP!

Obama is a big meanie to BP and hates capitalism!

Obama pushing his green energy policy!

yeah, GREAT speech....LOL

[That One Guy]

gotta love the rightard lunacy;

prior to the spill:

Drill baby drill!

Environmentalists are nutjobs,oil drilling safe!

Less government regulation!

After the spill:

Drill baby drill..... on land!

Environmentalists are to blame for spill for not letting us drill in shallow water!

Government not doing enough to contain spill!

Blame obama for halting oil exploration!

Obama not being tough enough with BP!

Obama is a big meanie to BP and hates capitalism!

Obama pushing his green energy policy!

Spider is the one most vocal about the green energy policy.

My issue is simply if there were procedures in place to avoid the BP oil spill, why did it fail? It's the same argument that was used to justify why and how the previous administration should've been able to save New Orleans from a hurricane. It wasn't like they should've lasso'd the hurricane and moved it elsewhere but the people in place to plan and respond failed. If there had been nobody in position to regulate it then this would fall at the feet of those who had resisted regulation. As is though, this just shows that government regulation doesn't always suffice either.

[Rigs11]

yeah, GREAT speech....LOL

no rebuttal?

[Rohirrim]

Robert Reich had it right. This is what the president should have said:

Whether it's Wall Street or health insurers or oil companies, we are approaching a turning point. The top executives of powerful corporations are pursuing profits in ways that menace the nation. We have not seen the likes not since the late nineteenth century when the "robber barons" of finance, oil, and the giant trusts ran roughshod over America. Now, as then, they are using their wealth and influence to buy off legislators and intimidate the regions that depend on them for jobs. Now, as then, they are threatening the safety and security of our people.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/obamas-missed-opportunity_b_614027.html

[JJJ]

and see this is what makes us on the left so much better then you well people ( trying to be nice here , but scum , bed wetters , child molesters etc fits so much better) you guys defended everything republican , no matter what , you didnt give 2 ****s about what was best for the country , just your party .......We on the left truly wants whats best for America , when we see someone ****ing up , we call em out ............

Ha! ...and whats best for your union.

This post is simply great comedy. Simply great comedy. My president that I love and adore gave a crappy speech and have no choice but to admit it and therefore we are better than you.

Let's remember it is your guys that call troops baby killers while at the same time you are the ones actually killing babies.

[Spider]

Ha! ...and whats best for your union.

This post is simply great comedy. Simply great comedy. My president that I love and adore gave a crappy speech and have no choice but to admit it and therefore we are better than you.

Let's remember it is your guys that call troops baby killers while at the same time you are the ones actually killing babies.

didnt you learn from the last time ? ..............why is it I have to take you by the hand and guide you through ? lets recap shall we bedwetter , go through my Post find 1 post where I have supported Obama on everything , or an union ....... see you was one of those that my post was aimed at .............. you are pretty much worthless .......... and as for killing babies ......... if they turn out like you , BarryR , McSkillet ,and a couple pf others ....... not really seeing the down side to abortion

[Rigs11]

http://opedcartoons.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/05/drew-sheneman.gif

[TexanBob]

and see this is what makes us on the left so much better then you well people ( trying to be nice here , but scum , bed wetters , child molesters etc fits so much better) you guys defended everything republican , no matter what , you didnt give 2 ****s about what was best for the country , just your party .......We on the left truly wants whats best for America , when we see someone ****ing up , we call em out ............

That's such total bull****, Spidey. The right gave Bush hell on a lot of things, especially entitlement spending. Many disagreed on Iraq and were quite vocal about it.

The only reason the Left is criticizing Obama now is that even they know that speeches and photo ops aren't going to solve the problem. Obama turned down help from other countries who could have arrived in time to collect the spill before it got to the coastline but he elected not to because the oil workers from other countries weren't unionized.

Democrats know they elected a president who doesn't know how to run anything other than his mouth. He's doing for the Gulf what he's done for the economy - shake down people for money he can dole out as political favors while doing less than zero at actually fixing the problem.

[TexanBob]

Robert Reich had it right. This is what the president should have said:

Whether it's Wall Street or health insurers or oil companies, we are approaching a turning point. The top executives of powerful corporations are pursuing profits in ways that menace the nation. We have not seen the likes not since the late nineteenth century when the "robber barons" of finance, oil, and the giant trusts ran roughshod over America. Now, as then, they are using their wealth and influence to buy off legislators and intimidate the regions that depend on them for jobs. Now, as then, they are threatening the safety and security of our people.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/obamas-missed-opportunity_b_614027.html

Robert "Third" Reich, like most communists, simply wants a government that runs roughshod over America which is why they demonize "robber barons". I'd rather trust profiteers than communists. At least the robber barons actually produce something of value.

[TonyR]

My issue is simply if there were procedures in place to avoid the BP oil spill, why did it fail? It's the same argument that was used to justify why and how the previous administration should've been able to save New Orleans from a hurricane.

You're oversimplifying just a tad here. The "procedures" failed at BP because they were cutting corners. Just as the Bush admin cut corners when they put an incompetent crony in charge of FEMA. Note that the Obama admin isn't directly responsible for BP cutting corners whereas the Bush admin is directly responsible for the incompetent crony. It was FEMA's job/responsibility to react and response to the Katrina disaster. It isn't/wasn't the government's job/responsibility to cap an oil spill caused by the negligence of a private enterprise. Has the Obama admin handled this perfectly? Far from it. But hard to compare directly to Katrina.

[Rohirrim]

Robert "Third" Reich, like most communists, simply wants a government that runs roughshod over America which is why they demonize "robber barons". I'd rather trust profiteers than communists. At least the robber barons actually produce something of value.

You're an idiot.

[chadta]

Obama turned down help from other countries who could have arrived in time to collect the spill before it got to the coastline but he elected not to because the oil workers from other countries weren't unionized.

proof ?

im having a tough time believing that is true, i mean im very pro union, well maybe not, but very pro collective bargaining, anyhow, sometimes you just have to do whats right, and i have a tough time believing that any union would try to stop people from helping to stop or clean up this oil spill. thats just nuts.

not sayng i dont believe you

[barryr]

Bush and his faith was bashed constantly by the liberal media, yet when Obama and Pelosi, though with weak efforts, bring God into their speeches, those same in the media want applause and admiration flor them. Yeah, no hypocrisy going on here.

[Smiling Assassin27]

proof ?

im having a tough time believing that is true, i mean im very pro union, well maybe not, but very pro collective bargaining, anyhow, sometimes you just have to do whats right, and i have a tough time believing that any union would try to stop people from helping to stop or clean up this oil spill. thats just nuts.

not sayng i dont believe you

The Administration always has the authority to grant a waiver to the Jones Act in the case of national emergencies. Bush waived it during Katrina. My thought is that the Administration, despite being briefed by the Coast Guard, Ken Salazar, Bobby Jindal, and Thad Allen, didn't grasp or believe the magnitude of this incident and the potential damage. It flat out made a blunder in judgment.

Jindal was requesting sand berm barriers almost immediately, the Dutch offered to give them to him, and the Feds politely said no. The Dutch claim to have the capacity to get berms in place and finish clean up on this in 4 months. America could get it done in about 9 months. At any rate, time lost is coastline lost, and delays amplify the degree of damage. This Administration, like the one before it, froze like a deer in headlights when disaster hit the Gulf Coast.

[chadta]

The Administration always has the authority to grant a waiver to the Jones Act in the case of national emergencies. Bush waived it during Katrina. My thought is that the Administration, despite being briefed by the Coast Guard, Ken Salazar, Bobby Jindal, and Thad Allen, didn't grasp or believe the magnitude of this incident and the potential damage. It flat out made a blunder in judgment.

Jindal was requesting sand berm barriers almost immediately, the Dutch offered to give them to him, and the Feds politely said no. The Dutch claim to have the capacity to get berms in place and finish clean up on this in 4 months. America could get it done in about 9 months. At any rate, time lost is coastline lost, and delays amplify the degree of damage. This Administration, like the one before it, froze like a deer in headlights when disaster hit the Gulf Coast.

thanks, and WOW thats friggin terrible

[barryr]

The Administration always has the authority to grant a waiver to the Jones Act in the case of national emergencies. Bush waived it during Katrina. My thought is that the Administration, despite being briefed by the Coast Guard, Ken Salazar, Bobby Jindal, and Thad Allen, didn't grasp or believe the magnitude of this incident and the potential damage. It flat out made a blunder in judgment.

Jindal was requesting sand berm barriers almost immediately, the Dutch offered to give them to him, and the Feds politely said no. The Dutch claim to have the capacity to get berms in place and finish clean up on this in 4 months. America could get it done in about 9 months. At any rate, time lost is coastline lost, and delays amplify the degree of damage. This Administration, like the one before it, froze like a deer in headlights when disaster hit the Gulf Coast.

This is also the result of the expanding of government, where people get in each other's way and eveybody seeking someone else's approval to do anything, while the emergency continues to get worse while everyone plays around with trying to figure out when the approvals stop and the action starts. Just like more and more jobs seem to need to hire more admin. to twiddle their thumbs and get in each other's way, but get bloated paychecks, while the ones who do the actual work get peanuts.

[Mr.Meanie]

I like that we were able to get $20B escrowed from BP for the victims. That is $20B less out of federal cleanup efforts at least. Who knows how much it's going to end up at, though.

[Smiling Assassin27]

Then there's this. Around May 8, Louisiana requested that BP not be allowed to used dispersants below the surface of the water, specifically because much of the oil remains under water and puts the food chain at risk for contamination. BP still wanted to use them and 5 days later, the EPA let them. 55,000 gallons of this stuff is dumped into the Gulf, under the surface of the water. One week later, guess who changes its mind. Yup, the EPA. They told BP to stop using the dispersant, but the marine life was already put in jeopardy by BP.

Normally, with a natural disaster like Katrina, the state and localities are in charge. The Feds are there to provide what the state asks for in terms of technology and other support, and later, financial support. In this case, the well is drilled in Federal waters, making the Feds in charge, not Louisiana. This would explain why Louisiana's requests for boom, berms, and skimmers went ignored by this Administration, I guess. Google the National Oil And Hazardous Substances Contingency Plan Act and you'll see that Lisa Jackson is given authority in an incident like this. Where is she these days, shopping? Quoth the law:

the Federal government is required to direct all public and private response efforts for certain types of spill events

Then there's the flap about the boom left sitting in warehouses, that Thad Allen didn't even know about...

So it comes down to this: Either the Administration is stupidly naive or inexplicably incompetent. Either way, the result is the same.

[Rigs11]

Bush and his faith was bashed constantly by the liberal media, yet when Obama and Pelosi, though with weak efforts, bring God into their speeches, those same in the media want applause and admiration flor them. Yeah, no hypocrisy going on here.

As usual the idiots can't see the difference. Bush said he was told by god to invade iraq. obama told you to pray.see the difference?

[Smiling Assassin27]

I like that we were able to get $20B escrowed from BP for the victims. That is $20B less out of federal cleanup efforts at least. Who knows how much it's going to end up at, though.

Really, we didn't 'get' anything because Obama has no authority to acquire money from BP. The Executive Branch really has no authority to take this money, let alone dole it out. If I'm Congress or the Supreme Court, I raise hell about this. So much for being a nation of law, eh, Mr. President? :spit:

[barryr]

Heck, I even saw Allen in a news conference state no one had asked him about the Jones Act, and then someone from the WH state that same day that Allen hadn't asked about the Jones Act, so essentially, both parties waiting for the other to decide and call the other. No one knows what they're doing.

[barryr]

As usual the idiots can't see the difference. Bush said he was told by god to invade iraq. obama told you to pray.see the difference?

BS. Bush's faith was bashed way before any of that, onlty the idiots try to rewrite history and live in the land of hypocrisy, such as yourself :thumbs:

[Mr.Meanie]

Really, we didn't 'get' anything because Obama has no authority to acquire money from BP. The Executive Branch really has no authority to take this money, let alone dole it out. If I'm Congress or the Supreme Court, I raise hell about this. So much for being a nation of law, eh, Mr. President? :spit:

Except BP today has committed itself publicly to putting $20B into an escrow account administered independently of BP - after coming out of a meeting with Obama.

What's hilarious is you and several others around here were slamming Obama for not calling BP's management on a daily basis, saying Obama is no leader. Now he meets with them, and even with almost zero negotiating power (as you just described) he wrests a $20 billion dollar committment out of them, you have a major problem with it.

Let's be honest...it's pointless to discuss this crap with you because you hate anything and everything Obama does. Pure intellectual dishonesty combined with blind loyalty to Party-first ideology at its finest...

[Spider]

Except BP today has committed itself publicly to putting $20B into an escrow account administered independently of BP - after coming out of a meeting with Obama.

What's hilarious is you and several others around here were slamming Obama for not calling BP's management on a daily basis, saying Obama is no leader. Now he meets with them, and even with almost zero negotiating power (as you just described) he wrests a $20 billion dollar committment out of them, you have a major problem with it.

Let's be honest...it's pointless to discuss this crap with you because you hate anything and everything Obama does. Pure intellectual dishonesty combined with blind loyalty to Party-first ideology at its finest...
LOL you cant reason with bedwetters , this is why I just insult em , They are something else ....... not even worth the wasted effort to reason with ...... you cant fix stupid ...........

[Rigs11]

BS. Bush's faith was bashed way before any of that, onlty the idiots try to rewrite history and live in the land of hypocrisy, such as yourself :thumbs:

Could you share some examples professor?

[Spider]

That's such total bull****, Spidey. The right gave Bush hell on a lot of things, especially entitlement spending. Many disagreed on Iraq and were quite vocal about it.

The only reason the Left is criticizing Obama now is that even they know that speeches and photo ops aren't going to solve the problem. Obama turned down help from other countries who could have arrived in time to collect the spill before it got to the coastline but he elected not to because the oil workers from other countries weren't unionized.

Democrats know they elected a president who doesn't know how to run anything other than his mouth. He's doing for the Gulf what he's done for the economy - shake down people for money he can dole out as political favors while doing less than zero at actually fixing the problem.
:rofl: what ? .................... Hilarious! we are fighting em over there so we dont fight em over here you guys were cheerleaders for Bush ............

[cutthemdown]

Robert Reich had it right. This is what the president should have said:

Whether it's Wall Street or health insurers or oil companies, we are approaching a turning point. The top executives of powerful corporations are pursuing profits in ways that menace the nation. We have not seen the likes not since the late nineteenth century when the "robber barons" of finance, oil, and the giant trusts ran roughshod over America. Now, as then, they are using their wealth and influence to buy off legislators and intimidate the regions that depend on them for jobs. Now, as then, they are threatening the safety and security of our people.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/robert-reich/obamas-missed-opportunity_b_614027.html

Things like that only fun to say when you are in the minority, the far minorty lol!!!.

[epicSocialism4tw]

Heck, I even saw Allen in a news conference state no one had asked him about the Jones Act, and then someone from the WH state that same day that Allen hadn't asked about the Jones Act, so essentially, both parties waiting for the other to decide and call the other. No one knows what they're doing.

Its becoming clear that Obama's lack of executive experience prior to becoming president has been a BIG problem. Its kind of sad to think that Sarah Palin may have actually been better prepared to deal with this than our president.

[RMT]

Language guru: Obama speech too 'professorial' for his target audience

(CNN) -- President Obama's speech on the gulf oil disaster may have gone over the heads of many in his audience, according to an analysis of the 18-minute talk released Wednesday.

Tuesday night's speech from the Oval Office of the White House was written to a 9.8 grade level, said Paul J.J. Payack, president of Global Language Monitor. The Austin, Texas-based company analyzes and catalogues trends in word usage and word choice and their impact on culture.

Though the president used slightly less than four sentences per paragraph, his 19.8 words per sentence "added some difficulty for his target audience," Payack said. He singled out this sentence from Obama as unfortunate: "That is why just after the rig sank, I assembled a team of our nation's best scientists and engineers to tackle this challenge -- a team led by Dr. Steven Chu, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist and our nation's secretary of energy."

"A little less professorial, less academic and more ordinary," Payack recommended. "That's the type of phraseology that makes you (appear) aloof and out of touch."

The monitor's chief word analyst found these three sentences insensitive: "Already, this oil spill is the worst environmental disaster America has ever faced. And unlike an earthquake or a hurricane, it is not a single event that does its damage in a matter of minutes or days. The millions of gallons of oil that have spilled into the Gulf of Mexico are more like an epidemic, one that we will be fighting for months and even years."

"You shouldn't be saying that in Katrina land," said Payack, referring to the 2005 hurricane that devastated the Gulf Coast. "New Orleans lost a third of its population; it's still recovering."

But he praised Obama's phrase "oil began spewing" as active and graphic. At a micro level, the average word in the speech contained 4.5 letters, a bit longer than is typical for the former constitutional law professor, Payack said.

Obama's nearly 10th-grade-level rating was the highest of any of his major speeches and well above the Grade 7.4 of his 2008 "Yes, we can" victory speech, which many consider his best effort, Payack said.

"The scores indicate that this was not Obama at his best, especially when attempting to make an emotional connection to the American people," he added.

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A president making a speech at a 10th grade level when the average American comprehends an 8th grade level speech? Some republicans struggled with the comprehension, even more democrats surely did, and the rest of us were smart people who had much better things to do with our time.

[watermock]

For Christ's sake.

Actually,I blame this on Cheney.

The MMS is as corrupt as the treasury.

[watermock]

But he praised Obama's phrase "oil began spewing" as active and graphic. At a micro level, the average word in the speech contained 4.5 letters, a bit longer than is typical for the former constitutional law professor, Payack said.

Obama's nearly 10th-grade-level rating was the highest of any of his major speeches and well above the Grade 7.4 of his 2008 "Yes, we can" victory speech, which many consider his best effort, Payack said.

"The scores indicate that this was not Obama at his best, especially when attempting to make an emotional connection to the American people," he added.


WTF?

It's time America spoke up, instead of being spoken down to.

[watermock]

BTW, Obama is not trying to reach Harvard Grads. He want and needs that 7th grade.

[cutthemdown]

thanks, and WOW thats friggin terrible

He offered you no extra proof. I was curious...was it his more even delivery in his writing, or just the fact he seemed to have better knowledge that made you find him more credible then the previous poster?

[chadta]

He offered you no extra proof. I was curious...was it his more even delivery in his writing, or just the fact he seemed to have better knowledge that made you find him more credible then the previous poster?


i didnt say i didnt believe the original poster, i was just looking for somebody else to confirm.

ya know what they say

if you cant dazzle them with brilliance baffle them with bull****

[epicSocialism4tw]

Language guru: Obama speech too 'professorial' for his target audience

(CNN) -- President Obama's speech on the gulf oil disaster may have gone over the heads of many in his audience, according to an analysis of the 18-minute talk released Wednesday.

Tuesday night's speech from the Oval Office of the White House was written to a 9.8 grade level, said Paul J.J. Payack, president of Global Language Monitor. The Austin, Texas-based company analyzes and catalogues trends in word usage and word choice and their impact on culture.

Though the president used slightly less than four sentences per paragraph, his 19.8 words per sentence "added some difficulty for his target audience," Payack said. He singled out this sentence from Obama as unfortunate: "That is why just after the rig sank, I assembled a team of our nation's best scientists and engineers to tackle this challenge -- a team led by Dr. Steven Chu, a Nobel Prize-winning physicist and our nation's secretary of energy."

"A little less professorial, less academic and more ordinary," Payack recommended. "That's the type of phraseology that makes you (appear) aloof and out of touch."

The monitor's chief word analyst found these three sentences insensitive: "Already, this oil spill is the worst environmental disaster America has ever faced. And unlike an earthquake or a hurricane, it is not a single event that does its damage in a matter of minutes or days. The millions of gallons of oil that have spilled into the Gulf of Mexico are more like an epidemic, one that we will be fighting for months and even years."

"You shouldn't be saying that in Katrina land," said Payack, referring to the 2005 hurricane that devastated the Gulf Coast. "New Orleans lost a third of its population; it's still recovering."

But he praised Obama's phrase "oil began spewing" as active and graphic. At a micro level, the average word in the speech contained 4.5 letters, a bit longer than is typical for the former constitutional law professor, Payack said.

Obama's nearly 10th-grade-level rating was the highest of any of his major speeches and well above the Grade 7.4 of his 2008 "Yes, we can" victory speech, which many consider his best effort, Payack said.

"The scores indicate that this was not Obama at his best, especially when attempting to make an emotional connection to the American people," he added.

---------------------------

A president making a speech at a 10th grade level when the average American comprehends an 8th grade level speech? Some republicans struggled with the comprehension, even more democrats surely did, and the rest of us were smart people who had much better things to do with our time.

I dont agree with that analysis. I think that people are in fact more educated now then they were even in the 1990's. People are so familiar with the issues that they know exactly what he's talking about and what he's trying to do.

[TonyR]

I dont agree with that analysis.

LOL!!! Of course you don't. It didn't come from Faux News, Rush Slimebaugh or Sean Innanity.

[TexanBob]

As usual the idiots can't see the difference. Bush said he was told by god to invade iraq. obama told you to pray.see the difference?

Yeah, when Obama sat in Rev "God DAMN America" Wright's church for 20 years. He prays for America's destruction and his plan is going swimmingly.

[TexanBob]

you cant fix stupid ...........

Which is why there's no point debating you, ****head. God, I hope you don't reproduce. Obviously, you have defective genes. In past societies, they would have taken you down to the river and drowned you, you ****ing ****hole.

(Go crying to a mod to get me banned like last time, you stupid ****ing ignorant ****hole. You don't even have the balls to confront me, ****head.)

[Spider]

Which is why there's no point debating you, ****head. God, I hope you don't reproduce. Obviously, you have defective genes. In past societies, they would have taken you down to the river and drowned you, you ****ing ****hole.

(Go crying to a mod to get me banned like last time, you stupid ****ing ignorant ****hole. You don't even have the balls to confront me, ****head.)

LOL you calling anyone stupid LMFAO come give me another we are fighting em over there so we dont have to fight em here chant ............ Retard

[Spider]

confront you ? thought you wuld never ask .............. when and where ?

[Spider]

LOL texican boob I have never had anyone banned LOL Like last time ?
I knew you lived in a different reality , but I didnt think you was that far gone ............
Hilarious!

[cutthemdown]

LOL texican boob I have never had anyone banned LOL Like last time ?
I knew you lived in a different reality , but I didnt think you was that far gone ............
Hilarious!

Ya you did me when I said you and your wife could use a trash can filled with water for a pool.

What was funny about that is we did that when we were kids so I didn't see it as a huge slam. Only a rip saying you don't have a real pool!! LOL.

[cutthemdown]

Spider has threatened to fight how many people now? Just out of curiosity has Spider ever kicked anyone's ass?

[barryr]

Spider has threatened to fight how many people now? Just out of curiosity has Spider ever kicked anyone's ass?

He's not the only liberal around here who has had to resort to make such threats because can't debate anything without resorting to that nonsense.

It's rather sad your typical liberal "man" is just an emotional drama queen who was emasculated years ago :thanku:

[DBruleU]

Spider has threatened to fight how many people now? Just out of curiosity has Spider ever kicked anyone's ass?

I've seen Spiders figure...his beer belly isn't scaring anyone.

[Spider]

Ya you did me when I said you and your wife could use a trash can filled with water for a pool.

What was funny about that is we did that when we were kids so I didn't see it as a huge slam. Only a rip saying you don't have a real pool!! LOL.

Nope guess again azzhole ,, I didnt hit the report button ...........

[Spider]

Spider has threatened to fight how many people now? Just out of curiosity has Spider ever kicked anyone's ass?

actually I showed up at Crazy Horses , tried to get you to show up , Chased Bronco Soja from Odessa tried to get McSkillet to show up........... and if you read Texican boob wanted me to comefront him ...........Oh and i showed up for Code Red in Pasadena Texas ...........

[Spider]

He's not the only liberal around here who has had to resort to make such threats because can't debate anything without resorting to that nonsense.

It's rather sad your typical liberal "man" is just an emotional drama queen who was emasculated years ago :thanku:

LOL ........ you are another one that expects everyone to take you by the hand and coddle your stupidity .............

[Spider]

I've seen Spiders figure...his beer belly isn't scaring anyone.

:rofl: I will be in Denver next week ................ care to put your theory to a test ?

[DBruleU]

:rofl: I will be in Denver next week ................ care to put your theory to a test ?

Well, I'm no longer in CO for the rest of the summer, but thanks for asking.

Having said that, I wish you no physical harm. I disagree with you, but I wouldn't ever threaten to fight someone over our differences. You go the other route I suppose...

[Spider]

Well, I'm no longer in CO for the rest of the summer, but thanks for asking.

Having said that, I wish you no physical harm. I disagree with you, but I wouldn't ever threaten to fight someone over our differences. You go the other route I suppose...

Bummer ........... I dont fight people over difference of opinions , I fight people who run their pie holes ......... Iam old school , if I say it , I better back it up ....

[cutthemdown]

actually I showed up at Crazy Horses , tried to get you to show up , Chased Bronco Soja from Odessa tried to get McSkillet to show up........... and if you read Texican boob wanted me to comefront him ...........Oh and i showed up for Code Red in Pasadena Texas ...........

Tried to get me? LOL you first said you would meet me in my favorite dive bar. Then you changed it and said I had to meet you half because you weren't delivering anything to Long Beach. LOL!!! What a joke you are.

I'm not scared of you Spider I think you are a joke.

What's funnier is you think you get all this mad respect and really it's the exact opposite. But it's not even a lack of respect, it's just that everyone knows you are full of it.

[Spider]

Tried to get me? LOL you first said you would meet me in my favorite dive bar. Then you changed it and said I had to meet you half because you weren't delivering anything to Long Beach. LOL!!! What a joke you are.

I'm not scared of you Spider I think you are a joke.

What's funnier is you think you get all this mad respect and really it's the exact opposite. But it's not even a lack of respect, it's just that everyone knows you are full of it.

so then you will meet me ?

[Pony Boy]

Be careful guys !!!! Obama will kick your ass......

[Spider]

be careful guys !!!! Obama will kick your ass......

;d .....

[Spider]

Tried to get me? LOL you first said you would meet me in my favorite dive bar. Then you changed it and said I had to meet you half because you weren't delivering anything to Long Beach. LOL!!! What a joke you are.

I'm not scared of you Spider I think you are a joke.

What's funnier is you think you get all this mad respect and really it's the exact opposite. But it's not even a lack of respect, it's just that everyone knows you are full of it.

LOL I remeber going to beat the piss out of you over making fun of my jacket , you said Spider i wont fight you .......... but yeah I HAVE NO PROBLEM givin you my phone # ........ But yeah lets do this bar fly

[cutthemdown]

You have serious problems. Do you have any idea how insane it sounds to regular people to hear you say you wanted to fight because of a jacket? Get some help. Like I said I defend myself no problem. I don't take you seriously enough however to make any attempt to meet you. You're a freak and for the life of me I have no idea why this forum allows you to post.

Over a jacket. LOL didn't you just say you were old school? What school did you go to anyways.

[Spider]

You have serious problems. Do you have any idea how insane it sounds to regular people to hear you say you wanted to fight because of a jacket? Get some help. Like I said I defend myself no problem. I don't take you seriously enough however to make any attempt to meet you. You're a freak and for the life of me I have no idea why this forum allows you to post.

Over a jacket. LOL didn't you just say you were old school? What school did you go to anyways.

LOL see thats my entire point barfly , you never had to work for anything , that jacket was the company's way of saying ........Hey good job we appreciate the job you have done for us , and for bein a safe driver........ so then what bar do you hang out at ?

[cutthemdown]

Just come to Long Beach, then send me an IM, I will let you know where I am.

[Spider]

Just come to Long Beach, then send me an IM, I will let you know where I am.

u got it ............

[shakenbake]

Obama gives a speach and grown men pick fights on the internet...

[DBruleU]

Be careful guys !!!! Obama will kick your ass......

The dude's a twig and smokes...he stands no chance against a superior American male.

[Requiem]

Spider vs. DBRuleU. Spider in less than four minutes by TKO.

[Spider]

Spider vs. DBRuleU. Spider in less than four minutes by TKO.
:strong: *I wouldnt hurt the kid bad , just rough him up a bit ........

[cutthemdown]

Obama gives a speach and grown men pick fights on the internet...

grown men? Yeah right.

[Spider]

grown men? Yeah right. boo hoo biatch