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tsiguy96
06-14-2010, 04:43 PM
mankins is the perfect example of the greed of some of these guys in the league. he was offered a contract taht would pay him 7 million dollars per year, make him one of the top 5 highest paid guards in the NFL, and he turned it down, and refused to sign his tender for 3.26 million dollars per year.

just disgusts me how greedy these guys are, they dont care about the fans or the people who pay their salary, they just dont care. i hope he sits the season out, that lost $7 million will be hard to regain after a year off.

mkporter
06-14-2010, 04:52 PM
mankins is the perfect example of the greed of some of these guys in the league. he was offered a contract taht would pay him 7 million dollars per year, make him one of the top 5 highest paid guards in the NFL, and he turned it down, and refused to sign his tender for 3.26 million dollars per year.

just disgusts me how greedy these guys are, they dont care about the fans or the people who pay their salary, they just dont care. i hope he sits the season out, that lost $7 million will be hard to regain after a year off.


It's a business. He's negotiating to get the best deal possible for himself. If he takes a lesser offer, and leaves money on the table, it isn't going back to the fans, it's going into another rich guy's pocket.

Florida_Bronco
06-14-2010, 04:53 PM
I disagree here.

These guys play a very violent sport that takes a heavy toll on their bodies and years off their life, and they're one misstep away from a career ending injury or even worse, paralysis.

They should extract every penny of value out of their services while they can.

azbroncfan
06-14-2010, 04:54 PM
Whenever I go to any pro sporting event football, baseball, basketball, golf, hockey, etc it makes me sick to think of what these guys get paid to play a game.

azbroncfan
06-14-2010, 04:55 PM
I disagree here.

These guys play a very violent sport that takes a heavy toll on their bodies and years off their life, and they're one misstep away from a career ending injury or even worse, paralysis.

They should extract every penny of value out of their services while they can.

Aren't we all everytime we step outside on the street or into a car. Let's not even get into hobbies that we do for fun that we actually pay money to do such as skiing, cycling, swimming, running, boating, motorcycles, 4wheelers, hiking, etc.

tsiguy96
06-14-2010, 05:01 PM
I disagree here.

These guys play a very violent sport that takes a heavy toll on their bodies and years off their life, and they're one misstep away from a career ending injury or even worse, paralysis.

They should extract every penny of value out of their services while they can.

my dad fixed cars for 30 years and can barely move his hands now, you think that wasnt hard on his body? theres a ton of jobs that are 10x more dangerous than the NFL and they make 1/1000th of an NFL player.

and its not that the money either goes to players or the owner, the prices raise because expenses raise, every year that a few million is added to teh cap (in capped years) the owners need to get that money from somewhere, and their pocket is not an acceptable solution, so prices on everything raises.

boltaneer
06-14-2010, 05:09 PM
Whenever I go to any pro sporting event football, baseball, basketball, golf, hockey, etc it makes me sick to think of what these guys get paid to play a game.

You need to look in the mirror then.

If you don't agree with the money that the players are making, why do you keep giving them your money?

tsiguy96
06-14-2010, 05:14 PM
can someone tell me when marcus mcneil turned into such a great nfl LT, btw? its like his holdout has elevated his stock in reporters eyes.

That One Guy
06-14-2010, 05:20 PM
You need to look in the mirror then.

If you don't agree with the money that the players are making, why do you keep giving them your money?

Precisely. I've made it my mission to give them nothing more than my TV dollars. Everyone do your part.

boltaneer
06-14-2010, 05:21 PM
can someone tell me when marcus mcneil turned into such a great nfl LT, btw? its like his holdout has elevated his stock in reporters eyes.

He had a great rookie year. Then he struggled in his second year. He's bounced back since then. He's still a top talent and a very good LT for sure.

The concern with him right now is the stenosis in his back. That's the reason why the Chargers are wary of giving him a new contract.

tsiguy96
06-14-2010, 05:23 PM
Precisely. I've made it my mission to give them nothing more than my TV dollars. Everyone do your part.

same here, and its mostly cuz i cant afford to go to a damn game in the first place.

Killericon
06-14-2010, 05:26 PM
It's not about how much they're getting paid in dollars, but as a percentage of revenue. I don't blame (most)professional athletes for wanting to see they get a large portion of the money made from their work.

Is that amount of money way way too much? Sure, but if it weren't going to the players, it'd be going to the owners, which is even worse, as they aren't the ones who wind up being unable to bend over when they're 45.

NYBronco
06-14-2010, 05:26 PM
Precisely. I've made it my mission to give them nothing more than my TV dollars. Everyone do your part.

I'm with you on this one. A good example of the fan gouging is an $8 watered down beer at the stadiums.

WolfpackGuy
06-14-2010, 05:26 PM
**** him.

He's the guy who snuck Ekuban a "low blow" on a FG attempt back in 2005.

boltaneer
06-14-2010, 05:27 PM
Precisely. I've made it my mission to give them nothing more than my TV dollars. Everyone do your part.

I feel the same way.

I don't really take issue with their salaries, though the elite players get absurd money but that's the market they're in.

I love going to games but right now it's a luxury that has priced itself out for me.

The big issue I have with players acting the way they are this season is that, it's not the owners fault here. Their union is the one who negotiated all the rules this year and they're the ones who have let it reach this point. They're pissed because they have no leverage and they just happen to be the unlucky ones who were supposed to hit free agency at the wrong time. Time to start pointing fingers at your union leader, not the owners or not anyone else.

tsiguy96
06-14-2010, 05:28 PM
It's not about how much they're getting paid in dollars, but as a percentage of revenue. I don't blame (most)professional athletes for wanting to see they get a large portion of the money made from their work.

Is that amount of money way way too much? Sure, but if it weren't going to the players, it'd be going to the owners, which is even worse, as they aren't the ones who wind up being unable to bend over when they're 45.

it doesnt just go to the owners, owners need to keep increasing prices on everything to keep their bottom line up to pay their expenses. as expenses go up and player salaries go up (which is an owner expense), prices on everything go up for the fans. but who cares about the 78k fans that go to the games? as long as those 53 guys make a **** ton, it doesnt matter, right?

Pat Bowlen
06-14-2010, 05:31 PM
I support this thread wholeheartedly.
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Broncojef
06-14-2010, 05:31 PM
I love seeing the huge salaries, lets me know socialism hasn't taken everything over yet...get what you're worth Manks.

bronco militia
06-14-2010, 05:40 PM
I support this thread wholeheartedly.
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LOL

Mankins would have got what he wanted had the CBA not expired.

The owners/FO's are hiding behind every excuse they have created.

Tombstone RJ
06-14-2010, 05:49 PM
It is what it is. The market sets the price and Mankins is simply trying to maximize his value. To you it might be foneco, but the Mankins its simply trying to get as much money as possible at the peak of his career.

As for the argument that we all risk injury when we go to our job is just ludicris. Most people don't sign a work contract knowing or thinking or even pondering the idea they might end up with two bad knees, a bad back, shoulder problems and oh yah, 3 severe concussions within a 7-10 year span. Most people don't contemplate that he or she might have aproximately 5-6-7-8 years to make the most money of their lives and perhaps their entire family's life before "retiring".

eh, yah....

TheReverend
06-14-2010, 06:04 PM
"Everything is worth what it's purchaser will pay for it"

azbroncfan
06-14-2010, 06:07 PM
You need to look in the mirror then.

If you don't agree with the money that the players are making, why do you keep giving them your money?

I go to NFL games and that is about it unless given free tickets. NFL is really the only game that love enough to look past it but I think it's so dangerous sport excuse for their high salaries is a joke because plenty of people make a living doing more hazardous occupations than football for a fraction of the money.

tsiguy96
06-14-2010, 06:15 PM
"Everything is worth what it's purchaser will pay for it"

sad that this is the truth....

RhymesayersDU
06-14-2010, 06:15 PM
It never ceases to amaze me, the people who absolutely HATE the players, yet somehow love the game.

It's also very amusing how people on this board LOVE to spend other people's money. It all stems from bitterness from your own situation. Look, if you're not happy with how your life turned out, then why don't you change it instead of hating other people who make more than you?

Look, from a social viewpoint, I understand that teachers, officers, soldiers, firemen, etc, contribute more to society than athletes. But this is economics. Like somebody said, these players earn a percentage of the revenue that they themselves bring in. If you were directly responsible for bringing in say $1,000,000 worth of revenue, wouldn't you want a nice chunk of that? Or would you want minimum wage?

Basically, stop crying.

tsiguy96
06-14-2010, 06:17 PM
I go to NFL games and that is about it unless given free tickets. NFL is really the only game that love enough to look past it but I think it's so dangerous sport excuse for their high salaries is a joke because plenty of people make a living doing more hazardous occupations than football for a fraction of the money.

absolutely, i hate the "we put our bodies and lives on the line" excuse. what about coal miners? doubt many of em break 50k a year, same with firefighters, yet these guys who play a game (call it a career, its still a game) are too good to make 7 million a year?

tsiguy96
06-14-2010, 06:19 PM
It never ceases to amaze me, the people who absolutely HATE the players, yet somehow love the game.

It's also very amusing how people on this board LOVE to spend other people's money. It all stems from bitterness from your own situation. Look, if you're not happy with how your life turned out, then why don't you change it instead of hating other people who make more than you?

Look, from a social viewpoint, I understand that teachers, officers, soldiers, firemen, etc, contribute more to society than athletes. But this is economics. Like somebody said, these players earn a percentage of the revenue that they themselves bring in. If you were directly responsible for bringing in say $1,000,000 worth of revenue, wouldn't you want a nice chunk of that? Or would you want minimum wage?

Basically, stop crying.

who hates the players? i hate that some of them are unwilling to accept godly amounts of money (aka top 5 at your position is not enough?) because of greed. they make a few million bucks a year, great, they do bring in millions. but at the same time, the difference between a guy like dumervil and a guy like mankins is a BIG difference in terms of "likable" and easy to cheer for.

rugbythug
06-14-2010, 06:20 PM
Greed is a convenient excuse for other people. For myself it is making the best decision. People should make what they can get. IMO Greed is Posting on Internet boards at work and stealing your employers dollars.

theAPAOps5
06-14-2010, 06:24 PM
mankins is the perfect example of the greed of some of these guys in the league. he was offered a contract taht would pay him 7 million dollars per year, make him one of the top 5 highest paid guards in the NFL, and he turned it down, and refused to sign his tender for 3.26 million dollars per year.

just disgusts me how greedy these guys are, they dont care about the fans or the people who pay their salary, they just dont care. i hope he sits the season out, that lost $7 million will be hard to regain after a year off.

I am not for or against your argument but Alfred Williams said something on the Fan today that made me think. He said players aren't playing for their current team they are playing for the 31 other teams. A player wants to be taken care of so that he and his family are taken care of when he goes out and gives it his all. A player doesn't want to give it his all for a lesser amount.

Not saying he is right and that it applies to Mankins but it made me think about it from their perspective.

cutthemdown
06-14-2010, 06:34 PM
I'm amazed they can pay these guys all this money. I don't fall for advertising or go to a lot of games but obviously other people must be. Thank you for paying for my favorite sport.....whoever you are.

But it's not my money I don't care what they make. I just get upset when it makes a great player leave my favorite team.

cutthemdown
06-14-2010, 06:35 PM
I bet owners are greedier then any player.

That One Guy
06-14-2010, 06:38 PM
Now, the next step to this is has anyone else considered stopping watching? I love football but the games are up to almost 4 hours each and when you consider I watch 3 games, usually, on Sundays alone... that's 12 hours of my day in front of a TV for 3 hours of actual football at most. The advertising time as they milk more and more TV timeouts is to the point that I've truly considered trying to end it.

Depriving the NFL of just one more household watching is almost enough to push it over the top. To see these grown people arguing over getting bigger chunks of millions of dollars to the point that they'd stop work to spite the other... it's almost reached a principle issue for me.

Anyone else ever consider such drastic measures?

theAPAOps5
06-14-2010, 06:39 PM
Now, the next step to this is has anyone else considered stopping watching? I love football but the games are up to almost 4 hours each and when you consider I watch 3 games, usually, on Sundays alone... that's 12 hours of my day in front of a TV for 3 hours of actual football at most. The advertising time as they milk more and more TV timeouts is to the point that I've truly considered trying to end it.

Depriving the NFL of just one more household watching is almost enough to push it over the top. To see these grown people arguing over getting bigger chunks of millions of dollars to the point that they'd stop work to spite the other... it's almost reached a principle issue for me.

Anyone else ever consider such drastic measures?

What would I do on Sundays then? Talk to my wife...... ;D

cutthemdown
06-14-2010, 06:44 PM
Now, the next step to this is has anyone else considered stopping watching? I love football but the games are up to almost 4 hours each and when you consider I watch 3 games, usually, on Sundays alone... that's 12 hours of my day in front of a TV for 3 hours of actual football at most. The advertising time as they milk more and more TV timeouts is to the point that I've truly considered trying to end it.

Depriving the NFL of just one more household watching is almost enough to push it over the top. To see these grown people arguing over getting bigger chunks of millions of dollars to the point that they'd stop work to spite the other... it's almost reached a principle issue for me.

Anyone else ever consider such drastic measures?

I have thought about recording the games I want to watch, then watching them with the FF button handy and getting it all in faster. Be better for fantasy also IMO. Then maybe just watch 1 game a weekend in live time.

SoCalBronco
06-14-2010, 06:44 PM
There's no such thing as "guys in the NFL being so greedy". This is employment and the undisputed no. 1 goal is to maximize earnings, period. Every player should be doing whatever they believe to be in their financial best interest. The team looks out for its financial interest every single day...every single minute. There's no such thing as "that's enough for him"....no...what's enough is whatever he believes the market will bear.

gyldenlove
06-14-2010, 06:44 PM
I am not for or against your argument but Alfred Williams said something on the Fan today that made me think. He said players aren't playing for their current team they are playing for the 31 other teams. A player wants to be taken care of so that he and his family are taken care of when he goes out and gives it his all. A player doesn't want to give it his all for a lesser amount.

Not saying he is right and that it applies to Mankins but it made me think about it from their perspective.

The thing is, it would be a lot easier to sympathize with them and feel they are justified in their some times misguided attempts at maximizing their income potential if so many players didn't go bankrupt.

I think most players get into a very expensive way of living and rather than thinking of long term security they are thinking about fueling their expensive life styles. Look at Travis Henry, he recieved upwards of 10 million dollars while playing for Denver and he was flat broke within a year and ended up resorting to drug dealing within 4 years. I doubt Mankins has 9 children with 9 women and that he will become a drug dealer, but it highlights a problematic mentality that is too common in the NFL.

enjolras
06-14-2010, 06:47 PM
I don't fall for advertising

Wanna bet?:)

This has been studied to death... you may think that advertising somehow doesn't affect you, but it most definitely does.

enjolras
06-14-2010, 06:49 PM
my dad fixed cars for 30 years and can barely move his hands now, you think that wasnt hard on his body? theres a ton of jobs that are 10x more dangerous than the NFL and they make 1/1000th of an NFL player..

Yep, and I imagine your dad did his best to extract as much value from his job as he possibly could.

The only problem is that, there are a LOT of folks capable of doing his job. Not only that, but being the absolute best auto mechanic isn't that valuable. After all, you only need to be competent enough to fix the car (IE: a minimum competence level)... there is very utility in being the best/fastest mechanic. Sure you might be more valuable, but not enough to command a million dollar a year salary.

Tombstone RJ
06-14-2010, 07:23 PM
Please remember this. When a player get's an unbelievably big contract, no one should point the finger at the player and say "shame on you." The player, and his agent are simply trying to get the most money possible. You don't blame ARod for 10 years atg $25m a year, guaranteed, you blame the dumb azz owner who agreed to pay that contract.

It doesn't make sense to get mad at some player for trying to negotiate the best contract possible, if you want to get mad at someone, get mad at the team that agrees to pay that contract. ARod is the perfect example. I actually have a lot of respect for the fact that he and his agent Boras got $25m a year for 10 years, all guaranteed. I don't get mad at them for that. I get mad at the moron owner of the Rangers that agreed to that contract. If I was one of the other owners, I'd have walked up to that owner and punched him right in his friggen mouth. Then, I'd kick him in the kidneys and ask him why he wants to destroy MLB.

broncosteven
06-14-2010, 07:30 PM
I am not bothered by players getting paid as much as they can get.

What bugs me is when they won't share a % to help cover the guys who came before them to help cover injuries. Anyone read the series of Articles on Mike Webster around the time he died?

I also don't like that most players get the minimum, or how a Rookie who has never stepped foot on an NFL field gets paid before contributing.

Dedhed
06-14-2010, 07:46 PM
You need to look in the mirror then.

If you don't agree with the money that the players are making, why do you keep giving them your money?

This.

These guys get paid to play a game, yes. They also provide my personal favorite form of entertainment by sacrificing their bodies.

Given the shelf life of an NFL career, I don't begrudge anyone for holding out for every penny they've earned. Mankins has earned it.

I doubt there's a person in here who would sacrifice any aspect of their family's life for the fans.

maher_tyler
06-14-2010, 07:48 PM
I wish I could hold out from the Air Force to get paid more money before I deploy to the middle east again!

Atwater His Ass
06-14-2010, 07:58 PM
Now, the next step to this is has anyone else considered stopping watching? I love football but the games are up to almost 4 hours each and when you consider I watch 3 games, usually, on Sundays alone... that's 12 hours of my day in front of a TV for 3 hours of actual football at most. The advertising time as they milk more and more TV timeouts is to the point that I've truly considered trying to end it.

Depriving the NFL of just one more household watching is almost enough to push it over the top. To see these grown people arguing over getting bigger chunks of millions of dollars to the point that they'd stop work to spite the other... it's almost reached a principle issue for me.

Anyone else ever consider such drastic measures?

Sunday ticket and DVR. Watch the games Sunday night and never sit through a commercial again. As a bonus, you get all day Sunday to get out and do whatever you please.

This method was forced upon me after I moved to Japan due to the time the games are on here (2am/5am Monday morning), but after doing this for 2 years now, I cannot stand to watch a live NFL game any more just due to all the commercials and stoppages.

GoBroncos84
06-14-2010, 08:26 PM
absolutely, i hate the "we put our bodies and lives on the line" excuse. what about coal miners? doubt many of em break 50k a year, same with firefighters, yet these guys who play a game (call it a career, its still a game) are too good to make 7 million a year?

Like it or not, those professions don't generate the billions of dollars in revenue that pro sports do. I am not about to defend greedy players, there is no question that greed is rampant in pro sports. Hell, it's rampant in American culture. But it's certainly magnified in pro sports. However, if you are among the best at what you do in a profession that generates billions of dollars you are entitled to your share of the pie. The money has to go somewhere. If it isn't going to the players, then its going to the owners. I am a believer that the players do a lot more than the owners do, and would prefer to see the bulk of the money in their pockets.

Not defending Mankins. Top 5 money, $7 million a year, sounds like fair value. Depending on the guaranteed money and the structure of the deal (it could be backloaded). But in the case of say Elvis Dumervil, a guy who has averaged over 10 sacks a year over his first 4 years and only been paid $2 million total while several players making several times more than that have not come close to that production... he certainly has a right to complain if the team doesn't pay him top 5 pass rusher money. $3 million for one season, playing a game, would be amazing. But in the NFL market place it is an insult. You can't compare an NFL career to a auto mechanic or social worker, because its a completely different scenario. If the car repair shop signs a billion dollar TV deal and several sponsors and sells tickets for people to come to the shop and watch them work and buy shop related merchandise, then certainly the mechanics would make a lot more money. It's comparing apples and oranges.

There is a guy at my work that transferred from a different site, from out of state. The guy is a terrible employee, he doesn't do anything, he screws up constantly. Most of the other employees, including my boss, want him fired. I am ranked as the "second in command" due to my hard work and seniority. This new guy makes more money than me, because he was paid more at his previous site and kept the same pay rate when transferring. It is very frustrating to think about how much more work I do, how much more responsibility I have, how much longer I have been at the site, and yet get paid less. If I had the bargaining power of an NFL player, there is no question I would be using that to get a better deal that better reflects my value. Guys like Dumervil, Chris Johnson, Vincent Jackson... they unquestionably have outperformed their contracts while lesser players have made a lot more money. They deserve to be paid

Jason in LA
06-14-2010, 08:37 PM
You make what you bring in. NFL players produce a boatload of money, so they get paid a percentage of what is brought in. The share that they bring in is split up between them all. The better players get a higher percent of the split. It's as simple as that. So yes, they deserve every penny they get, and they should try to maximize their earnings. They are the product, and they deserve their even share. You get paid based on what you bring in. It's as simple as that.

Jason in LA
06-14-2010, 08:39 PM
my dad fixed cars for 30 years and can barely move his hands now, you think that wasnt hard on his body? theres a ton of jobs that are 10x more dangerous than the NFL and they make 1/1000th of an NFL player.


It's always silly to compare a normal profession to a professional athlete, or an entertainer. It's a totally different ball game. I always find it funny when somebody says "If I did that at my job I'd be fired." Well yeah, because your employer can easily replace you. It's kind of hard to replace a 300 lb guy who has quick feet, or a guy who can run a 4.3 40 and catch the ball over the middle.

Bottom line, you get paid based on what you bring in.

CoopDawg
06-14-2010, 08:45 PM
I disagree here.

These guys play a very violent sport that takes a heavy toll on their bodies and years off their life, and they're one misstep away from a career ending injury or even worse, paralysis.

They should extract every penny of value out of their services while they can.

Not only the risk the expose themselves to on the field, their play directly leads to the generation of billions in revenue. They deserve an equitable portion of the value they help create, in this context that just happens to mean millions of dollars.

Jason in LA
06-14-2010, 08:45 PM
Look, from a social viewpoint, I understand that teachers, officers, soldiers, firemen, etc, contribute more to society than athletes. But this is economics. Like somebody said, these players earn a percentage of the revenue that they themselves bring in. If you were directly responsible for bringing in say $1,000,000 worth of revenue, wouldn't you want a nice chunk of that? Or would you want minimum wage?

Basically, stop crying.

I totally agree. People are crazy when they say that a teacher should make more than an athlete. Sure, a teacher is more important than an athlete, but like I said in my last point, you get paid based on what you bring in. Sorry, but 78,000 people aren't going to buy tickets and millions of viewers aren't going to tune in to watch a teacher teach. And dealing with teachers (I have a son in the 8th grade), I'm telling you that some of them are just cashing a paycheck. No way they should be paid more than what ever they are getting. Honestly, I think a lot of teachers do the job because they don't want to take a chance doing anything else. I'm in no way saying that all or most teachers are like that. There are some really good teachers who do a great job. But there are some that do it just because it's an easy paycheck. They are pretty much babysitters.

tsiguy96
06-14-2010, 09:14 PM
the point being, they bring in a lot of money from advertising and non-consumer costed items, but a very large percentage of that money comes from our wallets. to go to a game costs a stupid amount of money, not to mention buying beer or food at the game. this is what i have a problem with. these pro athletes greed are pricing the true fans out of the game, and they could absolutely care less.

Br0nc0Buster
06-14-2010, 09:20 PM
somewhat related to this topic:
but Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeil did not sign their tenders,
supposedly Jackson is planning on sitting our the entire season while McNeil might sit out the first 10 games

underrated29
06-14-2010, 09:26 PM
somewhat related to this topic:
but Vincent Jackson and Marcus McNeil did not sign their tenders,
supposedly Jackson is planning on sitting our the entire season while McNeil might sit out the first 10 games



I will believe it when I see it.....


BUT god I hope so!!

Jason in LA
06-14-2010, 09:37 PM
the point being, they bring in a lot of money from advertising and non-consumer costed items, but a very large percentage of that money comes from our wallets. to go to a game costs a stupid amount of money, not to mention buying beer or food at the game. this is what i have a problem with. these pro athletes greed are pricing the true fans out of the game, and they could absolutely care less.

Seeing that a lot of these games are sold out, or close to capacity, they aren't pricing the fans out. Yeah, they are pricing out people who can't afford it, but if 78,000 or so people can afford it, then they have the price right.

And just because a person can afford to go to the games does not mean that they aren't "true fans".

SouthStndJunkie
06-14-2010, 09:58 PM
A lot of jealousy on this thread.

Hard to blame Logan Mankins for trying to maximize his value. The players deserve their fair share of the revenue generated by the NFL. Would you rather the white collar NFL owners keep all the profit for themselves? Do you really think if players took less money that the owners would lower ticket prices? No, of course they wouldn't.....they will charge what the consumer is willing to pay.

These players have been blessed with athletic skills that none of us have....they are compensated well for these skills because they are extremely rare. If everyone could run a 4.3 40 yard dash or we all were 6'5 and 320 pounds with agility, then NFL players would earn significantly less.

Most of these guys will walk with a limp, suffer aches and pains, live with headaches and shave several years from their life expectancy as a result of their trade.....I don't blame them for trying to get what they can.

There is no loyalty on the teams part. If Elvis Dumervil plays for his one year deal this year and blows out his knee and is never the same, do you think the Broncos will cut him a check for the $30+ million in guaranteed money he is in line for?

**** no, they will kick him to the curb like a sack of trash.

boltaneer
06-14-2010, 10:44 PM
I will believe it when I see it.....


BUT god I hope so!!

Apparently it's true.

I was proclaiming that there's no way they wouldn't sign it but I guess they don't care about throwing away $3+ million for their "cause".

I can't believe how stupid these guys are.

They might not get a paycheck for two years.

boltaneer
06-14-2010, 10:49 PM
Okay, looks like there is confusion and it's actually tomorrow. I don't think it matters because I don't think they'll come to their senses in the next 24 hours.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/weblogs/bolts-blog/2010/jun/14/vj-mcneill-might-have-reprieve/

Most in the league are working today under the impression that at 8:59 p.m. (PT) tonight teams have the right to replace the original tender of a restricted free agent who has not signed with a tender that is equal to 110 percent of their 2009 salary.

But sources working with another team's unsigned RFA on the East Coast say there is some ambiguity in the rule and that the actual deadline for teams to lower the tender is tomorrow at midnight.

mkporter
06-14-2010, 10:55 PM
the point being, they bring in a lot of money from advertising and non-consumer costed items, but a very large percentage of that money comes from our wallets. to go to a game costs a stupid amount of money, not to mention buying beer or food at the game. this is what i have a problem with. these pro athletes greed are pricing the true fans out of the game, and they could absolutely care less.

If the players don't get paid, the owners pocket the extra cash. Individual players being greedy has nothing to do with ticket prices. The "average" fan is priced out of the game because people are willing the shell out the $$$ to go to the game. If people didn't pay the ticket prices, the prices would come down. Supply v. demand. Capitalism. Welcome to America. No one is forcing you to be a fan.

boltaneer
06-14-2010, 11:09 PM
If the players don't get paid, the owners pocket the extra cash. Individual players being greedy has nothing to do with ticket prices. The "average" fan is priced out of the game because people are willing the shell out the $$$ to go to the game. If people didn't pay the ticket prices, the prices would come down. Supply v. demand. Capitalism. Welcome to America. No one is forcing you to be a fan.

Yep and the NFL has done an incredible job of brainwashing the fans in regards of what a "true" fan does.

Season tickets, PSLs, overpriced parking, overpriced food and drinks, overpriced jerseys. You can go on and on.

People like joke about blackouts when it happens to other teams but I think it would actually be a good thing if this started happening everywhere. Maybe even work stoppage in 2011, followed by a big decrease in popularity would be the best thing to happen for the fan.

People need to speak with their wallet if they want prices to come down. Unfortunately, there are just too many people out there who don't mind paying truck loads of money to the NFL every year.

Jason in LA
06-15-2010, 07:04 AM
These players have been blessed with athletic skills that none of us have....they are compensated well for these skills because they are extremely rare. If everyone could run a 4.3 40 yard dash or we all were 6'5 and 320 pounds with agility, then NFL players would earn significantly less.




I totally agree. I don't get why some people compare professional athletes to normal careers. Like, if you're a mechanic, as tough of a job as it is, and they are more needed than pro athletes, sorry, but you're just not going to make as much money because anybody can be an auto mechanic. I could change my career right now, go take the classes, and be an auto mechanic is a short period of time. Any of us could. But how many people can become good enough to be a professional athlete? Not many. So they can demand a whole lot more money.

Jesterhole
06-15-2010, 07:08 AM
Aren't we all everytime we step outside on the street or into a car. Let's not even get into hobbies that we do for fun that we actually pay money to do such as skiing, cycling, swimming, running, boating, motorcycles, 4wheelers, hiking, etc.

No one in the world would pay to see your sorry ass do any of those things. That is the difference...these guys are elite athletes who have an audience for their services. They deserve what they get paid.

That One Guy
06-15-2010, 07:44 AM
The other difference between a mechanic and an athlete is the mechanic is necessary. You will, at some point, be required to see a mechanic. What obligation do you have to an athlete?

Lets here it complainers, what are you going to do to change something? Swear off that new jersey (not the state)? Stop going to games? Stop paying for NFLN? Force and realize change if you have a problem with it, make a difference. What's your next step?

SonOfLe-loLang
06-15-2010, 08:09 AM
Even as someone with my political beliefs, i'm always annoyed when people complain about players salaries. of course its absurd to pay someone that kind of money, but sports are their own micro-economy completely supported by the public. This is not like healthcare officials profiting off sickness, or a service people need to ensure survival. Its pure entertainment that the public pumps money into. And since its become such a huge business, the players see the benefit of high salaries. If sports were something the government wasted money on, then i could see your complaint, but thats not the case.

Kaylore
06-15-2010, 08:19 AM
You guys are a bunch of whiners and hypocrites. Would you do any different if you were them? Would you work for less than you're worth knowing other places would pay you more simply because "the fans are great" or "you respect the game so much?" Can any of you do what they do? You're talking about some of the best and smartest athletes in the world. Physical freaks of nature. It's not like you're watching competitive Monopoly.

Is it a game? Yes. And in the grand scheme of things does it matter to real life? No, but it's a game with billions of dollars in revenue, endorsements, TV rights and every other form of income.

If you're so disgusted with these players and what they make, then stop watching the sport because you watching, especially on TV, is why they get paid what they do.

Personally I applaud these men. They are plying their physical gifts into something that generates income for themselves whereby if they had "real jobs" they likely would be no better or worse than the next man. If what they are doing works in getting them the most amount of money in the shortest amount of time that's just being smart. I don't buy this BS about "I'm going to trash my body for the love of the game and fans." They are workers. They have a union and long term goals outside of the short time in football. It's their job to make sure they milk that as much as possible.

Here's the bottom line: If anyone on this board could do what they do, you would get that money too. And since everyone on this board subsidizes their "bloated" salaries by watching the games, you're part of the problem. Quit whining.

bowtown
06-15-2010, 08:32 AM
You guys are a bunch of whiners and hypocrites. Would you do any different if you were them? Would you work for less than you're worth knowing other places would pay you more simply because "the fans are great" or "you respect the game so much?" Can any of you do what they do? You're talking about some of the best and smartest athletes in the world. Physical freaks of nature. It's not like you're watching competitive Monopoly.

Is it a game? Yes. And in the grand scheme of things does it matter to real life? No, but it's a game with billions of dollars in revenue, endorsements, TV rights and every other form of income.

If you're so disgusted with these players and what they make, then stop watching the sport because you watching, especially on TV, is why they get paid what they do.

Personally I applaud these men. They are plying their physical gifts into something that generates income for themselves whereby if they had "real jobs" they likely would be no better or worse than the next man. If what they are doing works in getting them the most amount of money in the shortest amount of time that's just being smart. I don't buy this BS about "I'm going to trash my body for the love of the game and fans." They are workers. They have a union and long term goals outside of the short time in football. It's their job to make sure they milk that as much as possible.

Here's the bottom line: If anyone on this board could do what they do, you would get that money too. And since everyone on this board subsidizes their "bloated" salaries by watching the games, you're part of the problem. Quit whining.

^
This x 1 million. This is a dumb thread.

azbroncfan
06-15-2010, 08:41 AM
No one in the world would pay to see your sorry ass do any of those things. That is the difference...these guys are elite athletes who have an audience for their services. They deserve what they get paid.

I know that just don't give me the dangerous excuse. Driving a car is dangerous along will all sorts of other stuff. The salaries have gotten a bit out of control and the NFL is better than a lot since the salaries aren't guaranteed. Now I don't blame the players for trying to get what they are worth on the current scale it'sjust the overall top end has become a bit out of control.

bronco militia
06-15-2010, 08:43 AM
^
This x 1 million. This is a dumb thread.

look who started it

baja
06-15-2010, 08:46 AM
You guys are a bunch of whiners and hypocrites. Would you do any different if you were them? Would you work for less than you're worth knowing other places would pay you more simply because "the fans are great" or "you respect the game so much?" Can any of you do what they do? You're talking about some of the best and smartest athletes in the world. Physical freaks of nature. It's not like you're watching competitive Monopoly.

Is it a game? Yes. And in the grand scheme of things does it matter to real life? No, but it's a game with billions of dollars in revenue, endorsements, TV rights and every other form of income.

If you're so disgusted with these players and what they make, then stop watching the sport because you watching, especially on TV, is why they get paid what they do.

Personally I applaud these men. They are plying their physical gifts into something that generates income for themselves whereby if they had "real jobs" they likely would be no better or worse than the next man. If what they are doing works in getting them the most amount of money in the shortest amount of time that's just being smart. I don't buy this BS about "I'm going to trash my body for the love of the game and fans." They are workers. They have a union and long term goals outside of the short time in football. It's their job to make sure they milk that as much as possible.

Here's the bottom line: If anyone on this board could do what they do, you would get that money too. And since everyone on this board subsidizes their "bloated" salaries by watching the games, you're part of the problem. Quit whining.

Great post I agree with your sentiments, none the less there are players that are unrealistic about their worth like the guard from NE not wanting to play for 3.6 mill for one season until the new Players/owners agreement gets worked out. He is being unreasonable IMO[/QUOTE]

baja
06-15-2010, 08:51 AM
look who started it

So do you have any football takes or do you just drop in to shiit all over the place and call out everyone and anyone? Just curious

bronco militia
06-15-2010, 08:52 AM
So do you have any football takes or do you just drop in to shiit all over the place and call out everyone and anyone? Just curious

only you and tsiguy..

hey it's been awhile: go ****yourself! :~ohyah!:

bronco militia
06-15-2010, 08:53 AM
http://www.orangemane.com/BB/showpost.php?p=2863639&postcount=19

shove that up your fartbox ;D

baja
06-15-2010, 08:54 AM
only you and tsiguy..

hey it's been awhile: go ****yourself! :~ohyah!:

Sweetheart is that any way to talk to me. I might have to run over there and give you an enema for that.

TheReverend
06-15-2010, 09:09 AM
Sweetheart is that any way to talk to me. I might have to run over there and give you an enema for that.

Did the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie finally make it to Mexico, or is that Avatar just step 4 of your slowly developing "Coming out of the closet" plan?

baja
06-15-2010, 09:14 AM
Did the first Pirates of the Caribbean movie finally make it to Mexico, or is that Avatar just step 4 of your slowly developing "Coming out of the closet" plan?

Yes and I long for the day when I can ride the wild lobster.

Florida_Bronco
06-15-2010, 09:20 AM
I know that just don't give me the dangerous excuse. Driving a car is dangerous along will all sorts of other stuff.

And the people who drive cars for sport get paid good money to do so.

baja
06-15-2010, 09:22 AM
BTW I love that movie and think Johnny Depp is a tremendous actor.