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Vegas_Bronco
06-12-2010, 02:32 PM
Thank you Mr. Green!

broncocalijohn
06-12-2010, 02:40 PM
If we continues to play until the tie was broken, that game could have lasted until Sunday night. Also, why in USA we have sports that dont end in a tie and time clocks that go down to zero not the other way around. But, even though soccer pretty much puts me to sleep, I watched the last 20 minutes. I guess we are happy for a tie. YEAH!

That One Guy
06-12-2010, 02:42 PM
If we continues to play until the tie was broken, that game could have lasted until Sunday night. Also, why in USA we have sports that dont end in a tie and time clocks that go down to zero not the other way around. But, even though soccer pretty much puts me to sleep, I watched the last 20 minutes. I guess we are happy for a tie. YEAH!

My high school team only won a single game and the last 1/3 of that game, we played kickball essentially. Over the fence, in the stand, wherever it was going, we kicked it as hard as we could to burn clock.

That was the same feeling I got today. US lucked into a goal and were holding on for dear life to maintain the tie. It held though which is much better than a loss.

Los Broncos
06-12-2010, 02:44 PM
I try to watch soccer but it's just to painful.

That One Guy
06-12-2010, 02:45 PM
I try to watch soccer but it's just to painful.

Only a fool does it with volume on or as the main source of entertainment. Soccer muted while surfing the Mane? Perfect.

eddie mac
06-12-2010, 02:46 PM
Horrible mistake but he did save England more embarrasment with an outstanding point blank save from Altidore.

Los Broncos
06-12-2010, 02:47 PM
Even muted is tough man, I get the love for the sport just not for me.

broncocalijohn
06-12-2010, 02:53 PM
Only a fool does it with volume on or as the main source of entertainment. Soccer muted while surfing the Mane? Perfect.

good god! Who could put up with those f ing horns. If you dropped just 100 Americans that have never been to a game and one of those annoying mother ****ers was blowing that horn for 95 minutes, I guarantee you there would be 50 fist fights and 30 guys walking out and the other 20 hanging out at the bar/concession stand.

loborugger
06-12-2010, 02:54 PM
I try to watch soccer but it's just to painful.

Is there is anything in the sporting world lamer than an international spectacle that last 90 minutes and ends in a 1 - 1 tie, I cant think of what it is.

Man-Goblin
06-12-2010, 03:09 PM
I found it to be quite intense and enjoyable. And it didn't have the worst thing about American sports: commercials.

And BTW South Africa; any country that thinks those f-ing horns are cool, and has a common practice called "corrective rape", will never be on my vacation itinerary.

no-pseudo-fan
06-12-2010, 03:11 PM
Drunk people jumping up and down for two hours. Should be an olympic sport. I enjoyed the game.

Miss I.
06-12-2010, 03:15 PM
I enjoyed the game. I like fairly matched games as blows out bore the ever living crap out of me (I think this of American Football also). I did not enjoy the fans in the pub booing the National Anthem, it took some restraint on my part not to jump over the seat and become a hooligan and kick their limey arses. However I did mention that we didn't piss all over your God Save the Queen, how about you STFU (or maybe something more PC). Our goalie was wonderful, the UK guy unfortunately is most likely going to be roasted and put in highlight reels for the next 6 months. I believe we are competitive on the world stage and I like that, but we have more to do, just as England does if they or we want to win it all.

As for soccer being painful, well, everyone had their cup of tea or beer as the case maybe, if you don't like it, don't watch, I would just appreciate less the pissing on everyone else's parade who does enjoy it. I don't like cricket or baseball, but I don't go starting threads about it. Anyway, tangent aside. GO USA! (and yes we were the only 4 people in the bar cheering the Americans and we stood for the American Anthem. I must do more of these things. I love sports).y

Note: if my english is a bit slurred (I had three beers and two vodka shooters so I might be a little goofy) ;De

KipCorrington25
06-12-2010, 03:25 PM
I think as mentioned above one thing soccer has especially over the NFL...

Soccer: kick off... 45 straight minutes of uninteruped play... half time... 45 straight minutes of uninterupted play

NFL: 4 plays... 4 commercials... 8 plays, touchdown... 4 commercials... kick off... 4 commercials... 4 plays... 4 commercials... 6 plays, quarter ends... 4 commercials... 2 plays... 4 commercials...

After each play promos for Everybody Loves Raymond or The Simpsons and NOT SHOWING REPLAYS SO THEY CAN PROMO TERRIBLE SIT COMS THAT I'LL NEVER WATCH IN A MILLION YEARS.

It can be insufferable.

Man-Goblin
06-12-2010, 03:26 PM
I enjoyed the game. I like fairly matched games as blows out bore the ever living crap out of me (I think this of American Football also). I did not enjoy the fans in the pub booing the National Anthem, it took some restraint on my part not to jump over the seat and become a hooligan and kick their limey arses. However I did mention that we didn't piss all over your God Save the Queen, how about you STFU (or maybe something more PC). Our goalie was wonderful, the UK guy unfortunately is most likely going to be roasted and put in highlight reels for the next 6 months. I believe we are competitive on the world stage and I like that, but we have more to do, just as England does if they or we want to win it all.

As for soccer being painful, well, everyone had their cup of tea or beer as the case maybe, if you don't like it, don't watch, I would just appreciate less the pissing on everyone else's parade who does enjoy it. I don't like cricket or baseball, but I don't go starting threads about it. Anyway, tangent aside. GO USA! (and yes we were the only 4 people in the bar cheering the Americans and we stood for the American Anthem. I must do more of these things. I love sports).y

Note: if my english is a bit slurred (I had three beers and two vodka shooters so I might be a little goofy) ;De

If that's how you are after 5 drinks, you should def check back in after last call!

Vegas_Bronco
06-12-2010, 03:26 PM
Ha - I was in Argentina for 2 years on a mission - so I was immersed in the sport which was fun. Soccer is a great game to physically play, but not so much to watch - Kind of like Rugby. I was in Argentina when our men's soccer team first beat Argentina in the world stage - the mission pres told us to stay in doors for a few days to let the social mood chill out a bit. So, of course, I found a copy of the game watched it and hung an American flag off of our balcony - it was a blast. My companion was from Uruguay so we had a blast with this...rubbed it in whenever we could.

I can watch a game but definitely nowhere near as intense as our pro sports. After 2 years of just soccer, I got into Miami Airport after the mission was over and saw Sportscenter highlights and started literally sobbing - NOTHING LIKE USA SPORTS ANYWHERE!!!!

Vegas_Bronco
06-12-2010, 03:28 PM
I think as mentioned above one thing soccer has especially over the NFL...

Soccer: kick off... 45 straight minutes of uninteruped play... half time... 45 straight minutes of uninterupted play

NFL: 4 plays... 4 commercials... 8 plays, touchdown... 4 commercials... kick off... 4 commercials... 4 plays... 4 commercials... 6 plays, quarter ends... 4 commercials... 2 plays... 4 commercials...

After each play promos for Everybody Loves Raymond or The Simpsons and NOT SHOWING REPLAYS SO THEY CAN PROMO TERRIBLE SIT COMS THAT I'LL NEVER WATCH IN A MILLION YEARS.

It can be insufferable.

good point!

gyldenlove
06-12-2010, 03:31 PM
In my world every person seen within 10 feet of one of those horns would have it inserted 16 inches into his or her rectum, and then be savagely beaten. Honestly, Saddam Hussein and Kim Jong Il are bad people, but the people who blow those horns are on whole other level of sinister, no punishment is too cruel or unusual.

BlaK-Argentina
06-12-2010, 03:51 PM
Ha - I was in Argentina for 2 years on a mission - so I was immersed in the sport which was fun. Soccer is a great game to physically play, but not so much to watch - Kind of like Rugby. I was in Argentina when our men's soccer team first beat Argentina in the world stage - the mission pres told us to stay in doors for a few days to let the social mood chill out a bit. So, of course, I found a copy of the game watched it and hung an American flag off of our balcony - it was a blast. My companion was from Uruguay so we had a blast with this...rubbed it in whenever we could.

I can watch a game but definitely nowhere near as intense as our pro sports. After 2 years of just soccer, I got into Miami Airport after the mission was over and saw Sportscenter highlights and started literally sobbing - NOTHING LIKE USA SPORTS ANYWHERE!!!!

Where were you exactly?

Archer81
06-12-2010, 03:54 PM
I played soccer in middle school through my freshman year of HS...since then I have not watched or paid any attention to soccer. Im happy the rest of the world enjoys soccer. Gives me a reason to love American football that much more.

:Broncos:

bombquixote
06-12-2010, 04:05 PM
I was in San Jose, Costa Rica a few years back when CR played Ecuador. Everything shut down for the entire day. Game ended in a tie and city erupted like it was the second coming. My wife and I just kind of looked at each other like, "huh." I guess a tie exceeded their expectations...

Los Broncos
06-12-2010, 04:06 PM
I was in San Jose, Costa Rica a few years back when CR played Ecuador. Everything shut down for the entire day. Game ended in a tie and city erupted like it was the second coming. My wife and I just kind of looked at each other like, "huh." I guess a tie exceeded their expectations...

Do you riot when you win lose or tie?

Vegas_Bronco
06-12-2010, 04:13 PM
Where were you exactly?

Salta, Tucuman, and Jujuy- absolutely loved it there.


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bombquixote
06-12-2010, 04:31 PM
Do you riot when you win lose or tie?

Apparently the only time you don't riot is when the came is called on account of rain.

TDmvp
06-12-2010, 04:33 PM
easily the worst popular sport .

Chris
06-12-2010, 04:36 PM
The game shouldve tied and it did. Unlike most American sports it's not a game of instant gratification. That makes scoring all the more miraculous.

Los Broncos
06-12-2010, 04:39 PM
Apparently the only time you don't riot is when the came is called on account of rain.

You might be right lol.

bombquixote
06-12-2010, 04:43 PM
The game shouldve tied and it did. Unlike most American sports it's not a game of instant gratification. That makes scoring all the more miraculous.

A the hours between scores all the more coma-inducing.

Man-Goblin
06-12-2010, 04:53 PM
easily the worst popular sport .

Actually, calling it popular in this country would probably be false. While you may think you're in the minority by dismissing it, you are probably very much in the majority.

I will be interested to see what kind of tv ratings this game pulled. I would expect it will fall somewhere between a world series game and an NBA finals game. But it's an event that only happens once every 4 years, and the world wide leader has been promoting the hell out of it.

Dr. Broncenstein
06-12-2010, 05:11 PM
I think I speak for 95% of the U.S. when I say "meh."

watermock
06-12-2010, 05:27 PM
It was amusing to see that Brit miss a wiDE OPEN GOAL.

**** BP.

FADERPROOF
06-12-2010, 05:32 PM
10 shots on goal all game, how can people not watch a sport so interesting?

TDmvp
06-12-2010, 05:42 PM
I didn't watch any of it , but I have a question for someone who did...


How did they handle tv adds with there being very little stopage .

I hear that is one of the reasons the big 3 (abc,nbc,cbs) hates soccer.


It's just a terrible tv watch. Even worse then baseball.

I hate soccer and hockey for a lot of the same reasons , soccer more so then hockey.
In hockey I respect the skating skill.

But to me both sports seem to random and just chaotic . Yea you see some cool high lights once in a while from both , but to me watching 10 year play soccer is just about as exciting as watching pros.

2 hours of Zzzzz with maybe , just maybe 30 seconds of entertainment .

SonOfLe-loLang
06-12-2010, 05:52 PM
I didn't watch any of it , but I have a question for someone who did...


How did they handle tv adds with there being very little stopage .

I hear that is one of the reasons the big 3 (abc,nbc,cbs) hates soccer.


It's just a terrible tv watch. Even worse then baseball.

I hate soccer and hockey for a lot of the same reasons , soccer more so then hockey.
In hockey I respect the skating skill.

But to me both sports seem to random and just chaotic . Yea you see some cool high lights once in a while from both , but to me watching 10 year play soccer is just about as exciting as watching pros.

2 hours of Zzzzz with maybe , just maybe 30 seconds of entertainment .


I cant believe I'm sticking up for soccer, but I've learned to appreciate the game and its really not chaotic at all. Though i can understand why watching america would make you think that. Its a very atheltic team that doesnt pass very well and does a lot of kick and chase. England, while less athletic, plays a much more controlled game (though they didnt really play well today). Watch Brazil, The netherlands, or Spain play and tell me if you still think its chaotic.

The players run a total of something like 8-10 miles during a normal game. World class athletes and i have nothing but respect for em.

McDman
06-12-2010, 05:57 PM
Hahahaha, I have one of those horns. I went to the US game in Nashville, I think the guy next to me loathed my soul. Granted, I only blew it when we scored and a couple other times.

Kid A
06-12-2010, 06:00 PM
I didn't watch any of it , but I have a question for someone who did...


How did they handle tv adds with there being very little stopage .

I hear that is one of the reasons the big 3 (abc,nbc,cbs) hates soccer.


It's just a terrible tv watch. Even worse then baseball.

I hate soccer and hockey for a lot of the same reasons , soccer more so then hockey.
In hockey I respect the skating skill.

But to me both sports seem to random and just chaotic . Yea you see some cool high lights once in a while from both , but to me watching 10 year play soccer is just about as exciting as watching pros.

2 hours of Zzzzz with maybe , just maybe 30 seconds of entertainment .

Um they just don't show ads. Plenty of ads surround the field itself, and ads before and after the game. It's really nice. Not just the "no commercials" part, but the game itself has very few interruptions.

I love football (American version) to death, but I can see why people who didn't grow up with it get tired of the constant whistles, timeouts, and 20 seconds between 5 seconds of action. No doubt football has its own ebb and flow during a well played game, but a smooth running gameplay just isn't one of the sport's strengths and it is one in soccer.

As for "random and chaotic"...well I'm not sure how anyone who spends a few minutes watching could get that impression, given the passing and moves the top level guys make. That's one reason I love soccer (and hockey) - passing. I don't know, it's just really satisfying to see a good team that can work as a unit to find gaps, execute through balls, know where their teammates will be 5 seconds ahead of time.

Ultimately I think some people just want more scoring (or scoring chances) in their sport. Fair enough. If there is an opposite to soccer it could be basketball (though good teamwork, passing, etc are still pretty important). Constant scoring, constant interruptions for foul shooting, 80% of the games seem to be decided in the final 5 minutes (which isn't a plus in my book). Unless it's a big game, it bores me to death. I just can't get excited about an impressive dunk in the 1st half when I am almost guaranteed that the game will be tied at some point in the 2nd half and it will end with a foul/free-throw exposition. I admire the athletes, understand why people might love it, just not my cup o tea.

watermock
06-12-2010, 06:03 PM
How amusing.

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watermock
06-12-2010, 06:06 PM
visa

MaloCS
06-12-2010, 06:11 PM
I'm sorry for all you men that were forced to play this god awful sport because your mothers were too over protective. In a nutshell, soccer just plain and simply sucks stinky ass.

I know, I know, soccer is the most played sport in the world and America just doesn't understand. In my opinion, this god awful sport is just another reason that proves America is the best freaking country in the world.

Good grief! I thought watching Orton play football was boring but this poor excuse of a sport takes the freaking cake. The only good thing about the sport is the Brazilian women's photo spread.

:clown:

Harvitz81
06-12-2010, 06:28 PM
I cant believe I'm sticking up for soccer, but I've learned to appreciate the game and its really not chaotic at all. Though i can understand why watching america would make you think that. Its a very atheltic team that doesnt pass very well and does a lot of kick and chase. England, while less athletic, plays a much more controlled game (though they didnt really play well today). Watch Brazil, The netherlands, or Spain play and tell me if you still think its chaotic.

The players run a total of something like 8-10 miles during a normal game. World class athletes and i have nothing but respect for em.

Somehow watching these things I don't get the impression that the players are running 9 minute miles for 90 minutes straight....

DomCasual
06-12-2010, 06:44 PM
Is there is anything in the sporting world lamer than an international spectacle that last 90 minutes and ends in a 1 - 1 tie, I cant think of what it is.

One that ends in a 0-0 tie?

loborugger
06-12-2010, 06:52 PM
The game shouldve tied and it did. Unlike most American sports it's not a game of instant gratification. That makes scoring all the more miraculous.

Expecting a competition be it poker, hockey, chess, horseshoes, or soccer to end with a winner is not instant gratification.

OABB
06-12-2010, 06:55 PM
Soccer is about as much fun as watching softcore porn. It's all build up an no money shot.

DHallblows
06-12-2010, 07:33 PM
Idk why I came into this thread expecting intelligent discussion

Archer81
06-12-2010, 07:35 PM
The game shouldve tied and it did. Unlike most American sports it's not a game of instant gratification. That makes scoring all the more miraculous.


And also boring.


:Broncos:

McDman
06-12-2010, 07:48 PM
So if everyone hates soccer then don't come into the thread, it's pretty simple.

DBruleU
06-12-2010, 08:19 PM
So if everyone hates soccer then don't come into the thread, it's pretty simple.

Nah, that only makes sense.

A thread about soccer is a chance for the people with small wieners to compensate for it by bashing something they don't like that others do.

I don't go into threads on basketball and give my .02 why I think it's stupid.

BABronco
06-12-2010, 08:42 PM
I actually enjoyed the game today. I plan to watch Germany tomorrow and Denmark Monday and New Zealand Tuesday.

Today was the first time I attempted to watch a soccer match on tv. I've been a few times in HS but it was nothing really special. I was surprised how much fun the game was to watch. There were some pretty impressive jukes, a few good foot races and a few good shots.

Overall it was much easier to watch than Baseball. Yeah thats right... Baseball is gay.

Tombstone RJ
06-12-2010, 08:51 PM
I watched most of the game and it was entertaining. I was not expecting it to end in a tie but at least the US got 1 point.

Abqbronco
06-12-2010, 08:52 PM
Nah, that only makes sense.

A thread about soccer is a chance for the people with small wieners to compensate for it by bashing something they don't like that others do.

I don't go into threads on basketball and give my .02 why I think it's stupid.

I gave up trying to explain why soccer is a great game years ago. It's like ramming your head against a brick wall.

The thing I don't get is why people have to express their hate for the game on a consistent basis. We Americans that watch soccer get it. It won't be excepted by mainstream American sports fans. We are all OK with that. We don't care. Now go away. Don't watch the game, but please stop telling us why you hate it. I don't care.

FADERPROOF
06-12-2010, 09:17 PM
I gave up trying to explain why soccer is a great game years ago. It's like ramming your head against a brick wall.

The thing I don't get is why people have to express their hate for the game on a consistent basis. We Americans that watch soccer get it. It won't be excepted by mainstream American sports fans. We are all OK with that. We don't care. Now go away. Don't watch the game, but please stop telling us why you hate it. I don't care.

If you don't care then why did you just spend an entire paragraph whining about it?

DBruleU
06-12-2010, 09:31 PM
If you don't care then why did you just spend an entire paragraph whining about it?

Your original post is why.

Dedhed
06-12-2010, 09:38 PM
10 shots on goal all game, how can people not watch a sport so interesting?

They're probably busy watching the officials make corrupt calls in the NBA and watching the stars of the league whine about it.

You want to talk insufferable, ratchet me up an NBA game.

FADERPROOF
06-12-2010, 09:42 PM
They're probably busy watching the officials make corrupt calls in the NBA and watching the stars of the league whine about it.

You want to talk insufferable, ratchet me up an NBA game.

Agreed for the most part, I watch Cavs games but that's about it. Can't even get into it enough to watch the NBA finals, just doesnt really matter to me.

FADERPROOF
06-12-2010, 09:43 PM
Your original post is why.

It is good that the game started at 230 today, that's usually right around the time I take a little saturday afternoon nap so I was able to fall asleep rather quickly.

DBruleU
06-12-2010, 09:59 PM
It is good that the game started at 230 today, that's usually right around the time I take a little saturday afternoon nap so I was able to fall asleep rather quickly.

I know how it is. It's perfect NBA games are so late for me. Easy ZZZ's.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2010, 12:09 AM
Actually, calling it popular in this country would probably be false. While you may think you're in the minority by dismissing it, you are probably very much in the majority.

I will be interested to see what kind of tv ratings this game pulled. I would expect it will fall somewhere between a world series game and an NBA finals game. But it's an event that only happens once every 4 years, and the world wide leader has been promoting the hell out of it.

This ESPN/ABC broadcast game was received in whats projected to be 20 million+ households, not to mention the huge watch parties all over the country, which will be significant. I'm not sure about the Univision broadcast, which is generally much better than the English-speaking broadcasts.

That's just in the US. You can bet that almost everyone in Western Europe watched this game. Not to mention the rest of the world.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2010, 12:23 AM
A little explanation for some of those who might be interested in watching the world cup...

The enjoyment of soccer (called football nearly everywhere else because its...you know...played with feet) is not found in goals alone. A goal in soccer is like a goal in your life...it takes patience, hard work, creativity, and attrition to build an opportunity. When opportunities arise, great players seize them. A critical goal in a big game will make you an instant legend.

Soccer is about the way that the ball is moved around. The interesting tactical part of the game (X's and O's) involves the way that players are positioned around one another and the way they move the ball. A well-built attack is what all teams try to achieve, and defense is all about getting the ball back. In other American sports, defense is about "getting stops". In soccer, defense is about hemming in the ball until the other team gives it up because they cant deal with your pressure.

In soccer, everyone is a quarterback and a point guard. Youre looking to create passing angles and to deliver the perfectly-timed pass to your teammate to exploit space on the field and put the defense at a further disadvantage. This is the most enjoyable part of the game for me. Players like Zidane (nobody else is really like Zidane), Pavel Nedved, Pirlo, Sneijder, Xavi, etc. are savants. They are the Jason Kidds, the Steve Nash's, the John Elways. Its interesting to note that both Jason Kidd and Steve Nash grew up playing soccer, and both of them are more capable of seeing players move in space and to deliver amazing passes right on time than anyone else in the NBA. They make passes in basketball like soccer players do...splitting double-teams, drawing defenders into vulnerable positions and delivering a perfect pass to exploit the space that they vacated, etc. A great pass in soccer will win you a game.

Anyway...enjoy the games. This is a huge World Cup.

You other soccer fans are more than welcome to expand on these reasons...why you enjoy soccer.

OABB
06-13-2010, 12:39 AM
A little explanation for some of those who might be interested in watching the world cup...

The enjoyment of soccer (called football nearly everywhere else because its...you know...played with feet) is not found in goals alone. A goal in soccer is like a goal in your life...it takes patience, hard work, creativity, and attrition to build an opportunity. When opportunities arise, great players seize them. A critical goal in a big game will make you an instant legend.

Soccer is about the way that the ball is moved around. The interesting tactical part of the game (X's and O's) involves the way that players are positioned around one another and the way they move the ball. A well-built attack is what all teams try to achieve, and defense is all about getting the ball back. In other American sports, defense is about "getting stops". In soccer, defense is about hemming in the ball until the other team gives it up because they cant deal with your pressure.

In soccer, everyone is a quarterback and a point guard. Youre looking to create passing angles and to deliver the perfectly-timed pass to your teammate to exploit space on the field and put the defense at a further disadvantage. This is the most enjoyable part of the game for me. Players like Zidane (nobody else is really like Zidane), Pavel Nedved, Pirlo, Sneijder, Xavi, etc. are savants. They are the Jason Kidds, the Steve Nash's, the John Elways. Its interesting to note that both Jason Kidd and Steve Nash grew up playing soccer, and both of them are more capable of seeing players move in space and to deliver amazing passes right on time than anyone else in the NBA. They make passes in basketball like soccer players do...splitting double-teams, drawing defenders into vulnerable positions and delivering a perfect pass to exploit the space that they vacated, etc. A great pass in soccer will win you a game.

Anyway...enjoy the games. This is a huge World Cup.

You other soccer fans are more than welcome to expand on these reasons...why you enjoy soccer.

I fell asleep half way through this post.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2010, 12:59 AM
I fell asleep half way through this post.

Posting in your sleep is pretty impressive.

Ambien? You better check your basement.

Miss I.
06-13-2010, 01:05 AM
A little explanation for some of those who might be interested in watching the world cup...

The enjoyment of soccer (called football nearly everywhere else because its...you know...played with feet) is not found in goals alone. A goal in soccer is like a goal in your life...it takes patience, hard work, creativity, and attrition to build an opportunity. When opportunities arise, great players seize them. A critical goal in a big game will make you an instant legend.

Soccer is about the way that the ball is moved around. The interesting tactical part of the game (X's and O's) involves the way that players are positioned around one another and the way they move the ball. A well-built attack is what all teams try to achieve, and defense is all about getting the ball back. In other American sports, defense is about "getting stops". In soccer, defense is about hemming in the ball until the other team gives it up because they cant deal with your pressure.

In soccer, everyone is a quarterback and a point guard. Youre looking to create passing angles and to deliver the perfectly-timed pass to your teammate to exploit space on the field and put the defense at a further disadvantage. This is the most enjoyable part of the game for me. Players like Zidane (nobody else is really like Zidane), Pavel Nedved, Pirlo, Sneijder, Xavi, etc. are savants. They are the Jason Kidds, the Steve Nash's, the John Elways. Its interesting to note that both Jason Kidd and Steve Nash grew up playing soccer, and both of them are more capable of seeing players move in space and to deliver amazing passes right on time than anyone else in the NBA. They make passes in basketball like soccer players do...splitting double-teams, drawing defenders into vulnerable positions and delivering a perfect pass to exploit the space that they vacated, etc. A great pass in soccer will win you a game.

Anyway...enjoy the games. This is a huge World Cup.

You other soccer fans are more than welcome to expand on these reasons...why you enjoy soccer.

Well said.

My love really comes from being raised in a football family, ahem soccer family. I played from age 7 to 23 (my first jersey was #7) in AYSO, high school, college club. My brothers also played. My parents are still involved in AYSO, my dad recently retired after 10 years on the National Board of Directors and my mom is about to be a commissioner for arizona for AYSO. at my dad's retirement from AYSO 2 weeks ago in Denver, I got to see enthusiasm for the sport as I had not seen it in years and it kind of refocused me on the thing I used to love so much. I got to meet the coach for the MLS Seattle Sounders, Sigi Schmid (http://www.fifa.com/worldcup/matches/round=249722/match=300061466/index.html) He was on the first AYSO team in 1964 and has built a career on soccer ever since. He's an interesting character in person.

anyway, that's my soccer story.

WABronco
06-13-2010, 01:21 AM
The lack of appreciation stems from a lack of understanding. Arguably, a good soccer team has more individual pure talent, from top to bottom, than any other team sport. Pity that most of you simply can't see it for what it is. Maybe once we have talent equal to that of the best in the world it'll be different.

No advertising for 45 minutes was also pretty sweet.

ps enjoy having Lebron James' dong shoved down your throat for the rest of eternity.

WABronco
06-13-2010, 01:31 AM
I didn't watch any of it , but I have a question for someone who did...


How did they handle tv adds with there being very little stopage .

I hear that is one of the reasons the big 3 (abc,nbc,cbs) hates soccer.


It's just a terrible tv watch. Even worse then baseball.

I hate soccer and hockey for a lot of the same reasons , soccer more so then hockey.
In hockey I respect the skating skill.

But to me both sports seem to random and just chaotic . Yea you see some cool high lights once in a while from both , but to me watching 10 year play soccer is just about as exciting as watching pros.

2 hours of Zzzzz with maybe , just maybe 30 seconds of entertainment .

Haha that gave me a nice chuckle. By pro's I assume you're referring to MLS, as that's the only way you'd come away with that impression.

You hate hockey and soccer? I feel sorry for you. You respect the "skating skill" (when only a handful of players on a NHL roster are truly gifted skaters), yet you don't recognize the skill involved in international soccer? I'd love to see you guys try to keep a cross-field rocket in-bounds or even dribble the ball with both feet.

But to answer your question I believe the only ads were at the half.

Popps
06-13-2010, 01:31 AM
The lack of appreciation stems from a lack of understanding.

Bull****.


Look, I like soccer enough to catch the major events. Nothing against it. My kids play.I played some as a kid. It's fun. Nothing wrong with it.

But, don't tell me people don't like it because they "don't understand" it. I understand NASCAR, and I think it's garbage. I'd rather gouge my own eyes out than watch 30 seconds of it.

People don't like it because they don't like it. There are plenty of things in life that people understand, and simply don't like.

WABronco
06-13-2010, 01:51 AM
Bull****.


Look, I like soccer enough to catch the major events. Nothing against it. My kids play.I played some as a kid. It's fun. Nothing wrong with it.

But, don't tell me people don't like it because they "don't understand" it. I understand NASCAR, and I think it's garbage. I'd rather gouge my own eyes out than watch 30 seconds of it.

People don't like it because they don't like it. There are plenty of things in life that people understand, and simply don't like.

Disagree.

Generally, I think that's the problem. Not that there's really a problem. I would wager that the great majority of US sports fans just don't appreciate soccer, nor can they. If you can't appreciate the talent and the flow of the game, there's a fundamental problem. I'm sure if I actually understood NASCAR I would at least respect it a little, and not feeling like tearing my eyes out like you say. Then again, I still wouldn't care for it, so ya I kind of agree with you, sort of.

It's just not an American sport. Big deal. I see myself as a fan of the game, but I'm content with how things are. I really don't mean to come off as a snob, was just popping into this thread to counter all the "OMG ITS SO BORING" that comes around every 4 years.

Thank the good lord that soccer isn't a North American sport, otherwise the sports governing body would be spending all their time bending over backwards to make their game more to our collective liking. Probably for the best that we don't like it.

TDmvp
06-13-2010, 04:57 AM
But, don't tell me people don't like it because they "don't understand" it. [People don't like it because they don't like it. There are plenty of things in life that people understand, and simply don't like.


/agree

I understand NASCAR, and I think it's garbage. I'd rather gouge my own eyes out than watch 30 seconds of it.




/agree agree ...

eddie mac
06-13-2010, 06:33 AM
TBH 95% of people outside the USA think the exact same about US Sports.

Far too much driven by the money making world of commercials. Play for 5 mins, then stop for 5. The average US Sporting game takes nearly 3-4 hours to finish in some cases, the players who take part spend no more than 1-2 hours exerting themselves, infact actual gameplay could be as little as 48 mins per game. That is why no US sport will ever be a hit worldwide and football or soccer as you guys call it will always beat those sports hand down in the eyes of the world population, 90 mins of play, 110 mins for a full game max.

The Joker
06-13-2010, 07:13 AM
It's a bit of both.

Some people watch the sport and just don't like it, others have their minds made up before they watch it that they're going to hate it.

It's the same over here with US sports, most people think the NFL sucks despite not really knowing the first thing about it.

Another top display of goalkeeping from the Algerian keeper just there, what a loser.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
06-13-2010, 07:24 AM
good god! Who could put up with those f ing horns. If you dropped just 100 Americans that have never been to a game and one of those annoying mother ****ers was blowing that horn for 95 minutes, I guarantee you there would be 50 fist fights and 30 guys walking out and the other 20 hanging out at the bar/concession stand.

USA! USA! USA!

/rolleyes

We're so proud of this... why?

Meck77
06-13-2010, 07:57 AM
Bull****.


Look, I like soccer enough to catch the major events. Nothing against it. My kids play.I played some as a kid. It's fun. Nothing wrong with it.

But, don't tell me people don't like it because they "don't understand" it. I understand NASCAR, and I think it's garbage. I'd rather gouge my own eyes out than watch 30 seconds of it.

People don't like it because they don't like it. There are plenty of things in life that people understand, and simply don't like.

I do believe it boils down to understanding and probably more cultural differences. Most American parents just don't expose their kids to soccer because they didn't play it (minus you popps).

Some people love football, some love soccer. Some live in Colorado while others live in California which I simple do not understand. My hatred for California, the politics the Californians try to push on Colorado, the traffic, smog, crime, probably stems from my lack of understanding of the Golden state though. ;D

Miss I.
06-13-2010, 08:38 AM
I do believe it boils down to understanding and probably more cultural differences. Most American parents just don't expose their kids to soccer because they didn't play it (minus you popps).

Some people love football, some love soccer. Some live in California (can't understand that for the life of me) some live in Colorado........To each his own!

I think we have shorter attention spans and an extreme lack of patience combined with a need for high scoring games. After all why make a touchdown worth 6 plus an extra in NFL.

I do think it's possible to enjoy both american football and actual football (soccer). Also, I love both CA and CO and some fondness for AZ, having lived in all of them. Though you did say to each "his" own so guess as a girlie girl this does not apply to me. ;D

tsiguy96
06-13-2010, 08:42 AM
I think we have shorter attention spans and an extreme lack of patience combined with a need for high scoring games. After all why make a touchdown worth 6 plus an extra in NFL.

I do think it's possible to enjoy both american football and actual football (soccer). Also, I love both CA and CO and some fondness for AZ, having lived in all of them. Though you did say to each "his" own so guess as a girlie girl this does not apply to me. ;D

shorter attention spans has nothing to do with it, wanting to be entertained (hence the purpose of watching sports) does, and watching guys run around for 90 minutes to have 1 score is not as entertaining as the ridiculously complex dynamics of american football.

Archer81
06-13-2010, 08:42 AM
I didnt like soccer when I played it because I could not touch the balls with my hands.

Now as an adult, I understand why that is.

Hooah!

:Broncos:

The Joker
06-13-2010, 08:49 AM
shorter attention spans has nothing to do with it, wanting to be entertained (hence the purpose of watching sports) does, and watching guys run around for 90 minutes to have 1 score is not as entertaining as the ridiculously complex dynamics of american football.

While I prefer the NFL, it's asinine to pretend that soccer is nothing more than a bunch of guys randomly running around for 90 minutes kicking a ball towards the net.

Tactics are every bit as important in soccer as they are in American football.

Meck77
06-13-2010, 08:54 AM
watching guys run around for 90 minutes to have 1 score is not as entertaining as the ridiculously complex dynamics of american football.

We all have our opinions. I know we Americans think we are the center of the universe along with our sports but that just isn't the case.

tsiguy96
06-13-2010, 08:55 AM
Opinion.

as far as the US goes, its a fact, check viewership or attendance...

MaloCS
06-13-2010, 09:06 AM
A little explanation for some of those who might be interested in watching the world cup...

The enjoyment of soccer (called football nearly everywhere else because its...you know...played with feet) is not found in goals alone. A goal in soccer is like a goal in your life...it takes patience, hard work, creativity, and attrition to build an opportunity. When opportunities arise, great players seize them. A critical goal in a big game will make you an instant legend.

Soccer is about the way that the ball is moved around. The interesting tactical part of the game (X's and O's) involves the way that players are positioned around one another and the way they move the ball. A well-built attack is what all teams try to achieve, and defense is all about getting the ball back. In other American sports, defense is about "getting stops". In soccer, defense is about hemming in the ball until the other team gives it up because they cant deal with your pressure.

In soccer, everyone is a quarterback and a point guard. Youre looking to create passing angles and to deliver the perfectly-timed pass to your teammate to exploit space on the field and put the defense at a further disadvantage. This is the most enjoyable part of the game for me. Players like Zidane (nobody else is really like Zidane), Pavel Nedved, Pirlo, Sneijder, Xavi, etc. are savants. They are the Jason Kidds, the Steve Nash's, the John Elways. Its interesting to note that both Jason Kidd and Steve Nash grew up playing soccer, and both of them are more capable of seeing players move in space and to deliver amazing passes right on time than anyone else in the NBA. They make passes in basketball like soccer players do...splitting double-teams, drawing defenders into vulnerable positions and delivering a perfect pass to exploit the space that they vacated, etc. A great pass in soccer will win you a game.

Anyway...enjoy the games. This is a huge World Cup.

You other soccer fans are more than welcome to expand on these reasons...why you enjoy soccer.

Just because you pour syrup on sheet don't make it pancakes. ROFL!

Dude, seriously... soccer sucks.

elsid13
06-13-2010, 09:07 AM
as far as the US goes, its a fact, check viewership or attendance...

The rating are extremely high for the World Cup, so maybe you should check your facts.

JJJ
06-13-2010, 09:07 AM
The lack of appreciation stems from a lack of understanding. Arguably, a good soccer team has more individual pure talent, from top to bottom, than any other team sport. Pity that most of you simply can't see it for what it is. Maybe once we have talent equal to that of the best in the world it'll be different.

No advertising for 45 minutes was also pretty sweet.

ps enjoy having Lebron James' dong shoved down your throat for the rest of eternity.

Tell that to British fans:

England supporters had been waiting four long years to get back to the World Cup stage to finally see what their proud Three Lions had in them against the world's best. So they were undoubtedly very excited to see Steven Gerrard slot home the first goal of their World Cup campaign against the U.S. Except many of them didn't see it.

Viewers of ITV HD weren't presented with those triumphant images, as the network completely, 100 percent, absolutely, unquestionably, blew it. Instead of the goal, ITV showed viewers an inexplicably placed advertisement, the ITV HD logo, then nothing at all, until right after Gerrard scored the match's fast first goal.

Miss I.
06-13-2010, 09:16 AM
Tell that to British fans:

England supporters had been waiting four long years to get back to the World Cup stage to finally see what their proud Three Lions had in them against the world's best. So they were undoubtedly very excited to see Steven Gerrard slot home the first goal of their World Cup campaign against the U.S. Except many of them didn't see it.

Viewers of ITV HD weren't presented with those triumphant images, as the network completely, 100 percent, absolutely, unquestionably, blew it. Instead of the goal, ITV showed viewers an inexplicably placed advertisement, the ITV HD logo, then nothing at all, until right after Gerrard scored the match's fast first goal.

Funny. I am living in England and I got to see the goal, multiple times. So don't know what that's about. Anyway, to each his or her own. It was a fun game to watch.

FADERPROOF
06-13-2010, 09:23 AM
I think we have shorter attention spans and an extreme lack of patience combined with a need for high scoring games. After all why make a touchdown worth 6 plus an extra in NFL.

I do think it's possible to enjoy both american football and actual football (soccer). Also, I love both CA and CO and some fondness for AZ, having lived in all of them. Though you did say to each "his" own so guess as a girlie girl this does not apply to me. ;D

If it's about a short attention span, explain why baseball is a mainstream, popular sport in the USA.

DBruleU
06-13-2010, 09:29 AM
If it's about a short attention span, explain why baseball is a mainstream, popular sport in the USA.

Because it's 100% American. Baseball is the national past time. People have grown up around it with their fathers and grandfathers loving the sport. It's been passed on generation to generation just as soccer has around the world in other countries.

DBruleU
06-13-2010, 09:30 AM
Just because you pour syrup on sheet don't make it pancakes. ROFL!

Dude, seriously... soccer sucks.

What would we have done without that brilliant analysis?

The rest of the world disagrees with you.

baja
06-13-2010, 10:02 AM
Only a fool does it with volume on or as the main source of entertainment. Soccer muted while surfing the Mane? Perfect.


I know what you mean. Those horns in the stands drive me crazy. I keep looking around for the swarm of hornets.

BABronco
06-13-2010, 10:02 AM
Because it's 100% American. Baseball is the national past time. People have grown up around it with their fathers and grandfathers loving the sport. It's been passed on generation to generation just as soccer has around the world in other countries.

Baseball is gay... the end.

BABronco
06-13-2010, 10:04 AM
I know what you mean. Those horns in the stands drive me crazy. I keep looking around for the swarm of hornets.

Have the horns been at every game? I've only watched the US game so far.

Also, for anyone who has an understanding of the world cup. How does one advance to the next round? Is it the best overall record? If so how do ties come into this?

Tombstone RJ
06-13-2010, 10:09 AM
Soccer is the world sport because all you need is a field and a ball to play the game, hence many poor nations can field competitive teams because the kids can play the sport from an early age. The USA is a little different in that if you live in the city, you probably can pick up a basketball and play hoops with little to no problem. If you live in the burbs (or city or country) you can probably play American football from an early age because the infastructure is there.

When I was real, real young the first sport I ever played was soccer. Then I saw some kiddies playing football (2nd or 3rd grade) and I told my parents that is what I wanted to play because it looked fun. No more soccer after that...

DBruleU
06-13-2010, 10:49 AM
Have the horns been at every game? I've only watched the US game so far.

Also, for anyone who has an understanding of the world cup. How does one advance to the next round? Is it the best overall record? If so how do ties come into this?

Points. 1 point for a tie, 3 points for a win. If teams are tied after all three group play games are played, goal differential comes into play.

Sodak
06-13-2010, 11:05 AM
When the final score of a game is 1-1, or even 1-0, BOTH teams should lose.

tsiguy96
06-13-2010, 11:10 AM
The rating are extremely high for the World Cup, so maybe you should check your facts.

you think the ratings for the world cup are higher than any even SNF game? not to mention MNF, playoff games or anything else.

ratings are good, people are high on it right now, but at the end of the day, football/baseball/basketball/(some NHL) are this countries sports, along with golf and nascar.

Tombstone RJ
06-13-2010, 11:16 AM
When the final score of a game is 1-1, or even 1-0, BOTH teams should lose.

badump-bumb-tishhhhhh

Tombstone RJ
06-13-2010, 11:19 AM
you think the ratings for the world cup are higher than any even SNF game? not to mention MNF, playoff games or anything else.

ratings are good, people are high on it right now, but at the end of the day, football/baseball/basketball/(some NHL) are this countries sports, along with golf and nascar.

If you can't get into the WC then you are a certified moron. It's a lot like saying "I don't get into those silly Olympic games because no plays American football or drives 3400lbs cars around an oval at 200mph for 3 hours" so I just don't get it.

Moron argument there. Keep banging the moron bell.

tsiguy96
06-13-2010, 11:32 AM
If you can't get into the WC then you are a certified moron. It's a lot like saying "I don't get into those silly Olympic games because no plays American football or drives 3400lbs cars around an oval at 200mph for 3 hours" so I just don't get it.

Moron argument there. Keep banging the moron bell.

because i dont enjoy watching soccer i am a silly american...gotcha :afro:

gunns
06-13-2010, 11:34 AM
If it's about a short attention span, explain why baseball is a mainstream, popular sport in the USA.

Baseball isn't anywhere near as popular as it was. Look at the attendance. As one article said most people who follow baseball enjoy having something to root for while asleep. You have the game on but go about your tasks, stopping to check if anything has happened (and usually it hasn't) and come running into the room when a commercial comes on because you thought something exciting had finally happened. I was an avid fan when younger, but the game takes so damn long now with little action. When a batter comes up we wait forever for him to get up, adjust his gloves, adjust his hat, get a good hold on the bat, take some swings and then he misses. Shouldn't all of that have been done before hand? I mean the dude knew he was coming up to bat. And playing games everyday, who cares if they lose this one in June. The seasons goes thru September, EVERY DAY. They really need to speed it up and make it more interesting so that games count each time, like football.

As far as soccer I think it's a matter of not understanding. I actually enjoy watching it but I don't understand the penalties and such. But damn it's the USA, who I'll root for in anything. Now I'd like to know if I'm right....it seemed England had possession of that ball the majority of the times during that game.....does that mean we were damn lucky to get a draw?

DenverBrit
06-13-2010, 11:35 AM
you think the ratings for the world cup are higher than any even SNF game? not to mention MNF, playoff games or anything else.

ratings are good, people are high on it right now, but at the end of the day, football/baseball/basketball/(some NHL) are this countries sports, along with golf and nascar.

Not sure about the just the US, but theses numbers should put it in perspective.

2006 SB vs WC

Football, Italy v France World Cup final, 715.1m (Claimed) 260m(Verified)

American football, Super Bowl Steelers v Seahawks, 750m-1bn (Claimed) 98m (Verified)

Even on 28 June last year, on day 20 of the 2006 finals, Infront was claiming the "cumulative total" for the German event would be more than 30 billion people for 64 matches (or 469 million per match). SI's figures subsequently said it was 26.2 billion, and this included all replays and out-of-home figures, audited, guessed or otherwise.

The irony is that the World Cup, by any measurement, is streets ahead of any other sporting event in popularity. Nor, as our accompanying table shows, has Fifa been unique in making claims about TV data that verifiable figures show to be laughable.

http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/news-and-comment/why-fifas-claim-of-one-billion-tv-viewers-was-a-quarter-right-438302.html

Tombstone RJ
06-13-2010, 11:38 AM
because i dont enjoy watching soccer i am a silly american...gotcha :afro:

No, I said it's because you don't like the World Cup and the excitment around it. I don't watch soccer outside of the World Cup but when the WC rolls around I do become a soccer fan. I'm just saying if you can't get into soccer during the WC then too bad for you because you are limiting yourself on a hella good time.

DenverBrit
06-13-2010, 11:38 AM
Baseball isn't anywhere near as popular as it was. Look at the attendance. As one article said most people who follow baseball enjoy having something to root for while asleep. You have the game on but go about your tasks, stopping to check if anything has happened (and usually it hasn't) and come running into the room when a commercial comes on because you thought something exciting had finally happened. I was an avid fan when younger, but the game takes so damn long now with little action. When a batter comes up we wait forever for him to get up, adjust his gloves, adjust his hat, get a good hold on the bat, take some swings and then he misses. Shouldn't all of that have been done before hand? I mean the dude knew he was coming up to bat. And playing games everyday, who cares if they lose this one in June. The seasons goes thru September, EVERY DAY. They really need to speed it up and make it more interesting so that games count each time, like football.

As far as soccer I think it's a matter of not understanding. I actually enjoy watching it but I don't understand the penalties and such. But damn it's the USA, who I'll root for in anything. Now I'd like to know if I'm right....it seemed England had possession of that ball the majority of the times during that game.....does that mean we were damn lucky to get a draw?

Despite the fumble by the English goalie, the US deserved the draw.

Dagmar
06-13-2010, 11:39 AM
you think the ratings for the world cup are higher than any even SNF game? not to mention MNF, playoff games or anything else.

ratings are good, people are high on it right now, but at the end of the day, football/baseball/basketball/(some NHL) are this countries sports, along with golf and nascar.

Are you ****ing joking, I mean are you seriously ****ing joking?

America has a population of 300 million, 330 I think? 6 BILLION live in the world.

tsiguy96
06-13-2010, 11:43 AM
Are you ****ing joking, I mean are you seriously ****ing joking?

America has a population of 300 million, 330 I think? 6 BILLION live in the world.

im not talking about the entire world or doubting the popularity of soccer in the entire world, it trumps the NFLs popularity, obviously. but as far as america is concerned, its not even close.

tsiguy96
06-13-2010, 11:45 AM
No, I said it's because you don't like the World Cup and the excitment around it. I don't watch soccer outside of the World Cup but when the WC rolls around I do become a soccer fan. I'm just saying if you can't get into soccer during the WC then too bad for you because you are limiting yourself on a hella good time.

fair enough. ive watched it before, just not interesting enough for me to turn off something else or watch it rather than find something more interesting for me to do.

baja
06-13-2010, 11:48 AM
you think the ratings for the world cup are higher than any even SNF game? not to mention MNF, playoff games or anything else.

ratings are good, people are high on it right now, but at the end of the day, football/baseball/basketball/(some NHL) are this countries sports, along with golf and nascar.

There one billion avid soccer fans world wide.

How many NFL fans do you think there are world wide.

Dagmar
06-13-2010, 11:48 AM
im not talking about the entire world or doubting the popularity of soccer in the entire world, it trumps the NFLs popularity, obviously. but as far as america is concerned, its not even close.

And?

elsid13
06-13-2010, 12:06 PM
you think the ratings for the world cup are higher than any even SNF game? not to mention MNF, playoff games or anything else.

ratings are good, people are high on it right now, but at the end of the day, football/baseball/basketball/(some NHL) are this countries sports, along with golf and nascar.

It is estimate 17 Million US Households watched the game yesterday. SNF averages about 15 millions (dependent on the game) and MNF averages about 10 Millions (though Minn vs GB was highest cable show ever with 21M last season). Playoffs games are different matters no matter what the sport.

So yes I think US pride in its team will rate higher then regular SNF/MNF football game.

Edit finally ratings for the game won't be out til Monday but USA Today is report 9% viewership in household of the 56 cities in the survey

eddie mac
06-13-2010, 12:29 PM
Someone said yesterday that outside of the home nation, the USA has more travelling fans in South Africa than any of the other 31 nations.

loborugger
06-13-2010, 12:35 PM
Someone said yesterday that outside of the home nation, the USA has more travelling fans in South Africa than any of the other 31 nations.

That has more to do with economics and the large population than anything else.

OABB
06-13-2010, 12:44 PM
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Tombstone RJ
06-13-2010, 12:51 PM
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:D love it!

Miss I.
06-13-2010, 12:53 PM
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you really want to play this game? really?

Okay, betcha can find the same crap for american football. And I don't even think this shows Tony Romo's game f-up to end all f-ups.

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OABB
06-13-2010, 12:57 PM
you really want to play this game? really?

Okay, betcha can find the same crap for american football. And I don't even think this shows Tony Romo's game f-up to end all f-ups.

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listen sweetheart, bloopers are miscues and they happen in all sports, jobs, sexual exploits murders etc. from time to time.

Flops are unique to basketball and soccer. Basketball flops would have been a better argument for you. THis video is fake injuries, not bloopers.

And in Basketball, the flops are usually during actual contact. I have never seen a bball player take three steps before acting like he got hit.

Bronco Yoda
06-13-2010, 01:01 PM
I think as mentioned above one thing soccer has especially over the NFL...

Soccer: kick off... 45 straight minutes of uninteruped play... half time... 45 straight minutes of uninterupted play

NFL: 4 plays... 4 commercials... 8 plays, touchdown... 4 commercials... kick off... 4 commercials... 4 plays... 4 commercials... 6 plays, quarter ends... 4 commercials... 2 plays... 4 commercials...

After each play promos for Everybody Loves Raymond or The Simpsons and NOT SHOWING REPLAYS SO THEY CAN PROMO TERRIBLE SIT COMS THAT I'LL NEVER WATCH IN A MILLION YEARS.

It can be insufferable.

This is why God made the DVR on the 8th day :)

JJJ
06-13-2010, 01:03 PM
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LOL This is what makes soccer the most ridiculous of all the professional sports. Play acting like this on such epidemic proportions, though perhaps the only entertaining part of the sport, shows it for what it really is. A poorly engineered game without much honor.

Soccer is a great game for girls 8 to 15 years old.

Miss I.
06-13-2010, 01:18 PM
listen sweetheart, bloopers are miscues and they happen in all sports, jobs, sexual exploits murders etc. from time to time.

Flops are unique to basketball and soccer. Basketball flops would have been a better argument for you. THis video is fake injuries, not bloopers.

And in Basketball, the flops are usually during actual contact. I have never seen a bball player take three steps before acting like he got hit.

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Dagmar
06-13-2010, 01:23 PM
I don't get it. Americans love to **** on things they don't like, why? People love soccer. Americans less so. I hope you aren't such boring ****s when your kids score a goal.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2010, 01:30 PM
It is estimate 17 Million US Households watched the game yesterday. SNF averages about 15 millions (dependent on the game) and MNF averages about 10 Millions (though Minn vs GB was highest cable show ever with 21M last season). Playoffs games are different matters no matter what the sport.

So yes I think US pride in its team will rate higher then regular SNF/MNF football game.

Edit finally ratings for the game won't be out til Monday but USA Today is report 9% viewership in household of the 56 cities in the survey

I believe that the 17 million was for ABC's broadcast, which doesnt include Univision.

OABB
06-13-2010, 01:31 PM
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I thought Sugartiits would get me banned. I was only trying to be polite.

OABB
06-13-2010, 01:38 PM
I don't get it. Americans love to **** on things they don't like, why? People love soccer. Americans less so. I hope you aren't such boring ****s when your kids score a goal.


My kid never "scores a goal". He's to busy eating cheeseburgers and beating up weaklings at school. He smokes, drinks and fistfights just for fun. In fact on his 7th birthday, I'm gonna get him a pair of brass knuckles and a night with a hooker. DO you know why? Because I'm an American.

Bronco Yoda
06-13-2010, 01:48 PM
I don't get it. Americans love to **** on things they don't like, why? People love soccer. Americans less so. I hope you aren't such boring ****s when your kids score a goal.

That's because we're ugly Americans...remember :thumbs:.

We're usually fighting with other parents in the bleachers so it's anything but boring. Nothing like giving a loudmouthed soccer mom (from the other team) a good drop kick while your wife holds her head back by her pony tail. :giggle:

MaloCS
06-13-2010, 01:56 PM
There one billion avid soccer fans world wide.

How many NFL fans do you think there are world wide.

Just another reason why America is the BEST country in the world. Who gives a flying **** what other countries like doing. I live in the best country in the world and we play AMERICAN style football here.

Nuff said.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2010, 02:02 PM
Just another reason why America is the BEST country in the world. Who gives a flying **** what other countries like doing. I live in the best country in the world and we play AMERICAN style football here.

Nuff said.

No we dont.

We play soccer.

More youth play soccer than any other sport here and its not even close.

MaloCS
06-13-2010, 02:15 PM
No we dont.

We play soccer.

More youth play soccer than any other sport here and its not even close.

Yup... and unemployment is falling and the earth's temperature is rising. Don't believe everything you read. !Booya!

If that's the case then please tell me why televised professional soccer can't even beat out reruns of "Everybody Loves Raymond". Meh! Soccer blows. !Booya!

Broncobiv
06-13-2010, 02:19 PM
My kid never "scores a goal". He's to busy eating cheeseburgers and beating up weaklings at school. He smokes, drinks and fistfights just for fun. In fact on his 7th birthday, I'm gonna get him a pair of brass knuckles and a night with a hooker. DO you know why? Because I'm an American.

:rofl:

Broncobiv
06-13-2010, 02:23 PM
No we dont.

We play soccer.

More youth play soccer than any other sport here and its not even close.
That may be true. Hell, even I played soccer for a few years as a kid.

Unfortunately, for soccer in America, the following fact exists: Most of those millions of people that played soccer as kids stopped caring about it at all once they became adults.

Sure, kids love soccer. But something happens once most of them hit puberty and adulthood...they pretty much live the rest of their lives ignoring it altogether.

Tombstone RJ
06-13-2010, 02:26 PM
My kid never "scores a goal". He's to busy eating cheeseburgers and beating up weaklings at school. He smokes, drinks and fistfights just for fun. In fact on his 7th birthday, I'm gonna get him a pair of brass knuckles and a night with a hooker. DO you know why? Because I'm an American.

:notworthyROFL!

baja
06-13-2010, 02:40 PM
LOL This is what makes soccer the most ridiculous of all the professional sports. Play acting like this on such epidemic proportions, though perhaps the only entertaining part of the sport, shows it for what it really is. A poorly engineered game without much honor.

Soccer is a great game for girls 8 to 15 years old.

Want to know why soccer is so popular?

It's because all you need to play is a ball.

In many third world countries that is all they can afford.

That One Guy
06-13-2010, 02:42 PM
Young kids love soccer because it requires almost no accute skills. Any kid can run and kick a ball in a general direction. It's nothing like hitting a fastball, catching a hail mary, or nailing a 3 pointer. It's an activity that anyone can play.

In that same thought, the reason I think it doesn't really catch on is because there are not many wow plays. For every header that goes in, there will be 10 that go off in a wild direction. Imagine if a basketball player was hitting one three pointer in 11 attempts... it'd be similarly lame.

Soccer is what it is... unless you can appreciate good passing and ball movement that results in no points, you wont be very entertained.

baja
06-13-2010, 03:06 PM
Young kids love soccer because it requires almost no accute skills. Any kid can run and kick a ball in a general direction. It's nothing like hitting a fastball, catching a hail mary, or nailing a 3 pointer. It's an activity that anyone can play.

In that same thought, the reason I think it doesn't really catch on is because there are not many wow plays. For every header that goes in, there will be 10 that go off in a wild direction. Imagine if a basketball player was hitting one three pointer in 11 attempts... it'd be similarly lame.

Soccer is what it is... unless you can appreciate good passing and ball movement that results in no points, you wont be very entertained.

I think one reason soccer is so popular is that to appreciate it you have to have played it yourself and most of the rest of the world has played soccer.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2010, 03:39 PM
That may be true. Hell, even I played soccer for a few years as a kid.

Unfortunately, for soccer in America, the following fact exists: Most of those millions of people that played soccer as kids stopped caring about it at all once they became adults.

Sure, kids love soccer. But something happens once most of them hit puberty and adulthood...they pretty much live the rest of their lives ignoring it altogether.

Soccer is not a featured sport in junior high athletics. So when kids are trying to find their place among their peers, they have to play featured sports in their school to fit in.

If soccer was featured in junior high athletics, it would be more mainstream than basketball because more kids make the team and more kids get on the field at the same time. Not only that, but you dont have the weird gym-dirt-locker room smell and the weird basketball coaches.

DHallblows
06-13-2010, 03:58 PM
Young kids love soccer because it requires almost no accute skills. Any kid can run and kick a ball in a general direction. It's nothing like hitting a fastball, catching a hail mary, or nailing a 3 pointer. It's an activity that anyone can play.

Those aren't even remotely comparable things. You'd have to compare:
1) a bicycle kick to hitting a fastball, catching a hail mary, or nailing a 3 pointer.
or
2) running and kicking a ball in a general direction to running around a square, pushing someone for 3 seconds followed by a minute break or sprinting 20 feet, stopping to get fouled and repeat.

You can't compare the core concept of a sport versus the highlight plays of others. Come on now.

Beantown Bronco
06-13-2010, 04:06 PM
My kid never "scores a goal". He's to busy eating cheeseburgers and beating up weaklings at school. He smokes, drinks and fistfights just for fun. In fact on his 7th birthday, I'm gonna get him a pair of brass knuckles and a night with a hooker. DO you know why? Because I'm an American.

So long as you don't let him watch Ghostbusters, I won't call Social Services.

tsiguy96
06-13-2010, 04:26 PM
Soccer is not a featured sport in junior high athletics. So when kids are trying to find their place among their peers, they have to play featured sports in their school to fit in.

If soccer was featured in junior high athletics, it would be more mainstream than basketball because more kids make the team and more kids get on the field at the same time. Not only that, but you dont have the weird gym-dirt-locker room smell and the weird basketball coaches.

still dont think so, basketball is where the money (and scholarships) are in college

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2010, 04:34 PM
still dont think so, basketball is where the money (and scholarships) are in college

Not really.

A basketball team consists of 5 starters and 7 bench players.

A soccer team has 11 field players and 12 bench players.

There are plenty of scholarships in soccer, but the really good players go pro when they are in their teens. The youngest player drafted into MLS this last year was 17.

There are pro leagues in every country in the world where players can earn a living. There are way more professional opportunities in soccer than in any other sport played in America.

BlaK-Argentina
06-13-2010, 04:36 PM
I think both sides have good arguments. In the end, it's about what YOU like... not what everyone else likes or what is considered a good sport by some and a bad one by others. Just watch and play whatever the hell you like. There's people out there dedicating their lives to Curling. To each his own.

DHallblows
06-13-2010, 04:50 PM
I think both sides have good arguments. In the end, it's about what YOU like... not what everyone else likes or what is considered a good sport by some and a bad one by others. Just watch and play whatever the hell you like. There's people out there dedicating their lives to Curling. To each his own.

Hey, you leave my second favorite Olympic sport out of this!

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2010, 04:51 PM
Hey, you leave my second favorite Olympic sport out of this!

Curling actually looks pretty fun. I imagine that playing that game is cool when you're chilling on a lazy sunday.

DHallblows
06-13-2010, 04:53 PM
Curling actually looks pretty fun. I imagine that playing that game is cool when you're chilling on a lazy sunday.

Absolutely. I feel like you'd have to have a beer in your hand while you play. Required equipment

El Minion
06-13-2010, 05:18 PM
Because it's 100% American. Baseball is the national past time. People have grown up around it with their fathers and grandfathers loving the sport. It's been passed on generation to generation just as soccer has around the world in other countries.

Nope, English origin:

末末末末末末末末

Did baseball begin in 18th-century England?
(http://www.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/01/lords.museum.baseball.cricket/index.html)
By Simon Hooper, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
18th century English diary contains oldest known reference to baseball
Baseball believed to have been played alognside other bat and ball games
Both baseball and cricket may have evolved from earlier game called "stool ball"
Exhibition at MCC Museum in London highlights sports' common heritage
London, England (CNN) -- An extract from an 18th-century diary containing the oldest known reference to baseball is among the items on display in a new exhibition in London exploring the English origins and cricketing connections of America's national sport.

While baseball was once claimed to have been invented in the U.S. in the mid-19th century, recent findings suggest a sport of the same name may have evolved decades earlier alongside cricket, crossing the Atlantic with English settlers to the American colonies.

One notable discovery found in a shed in a village in Surrey, southern England, in 2008 was a handwritten 18th-century diary belonging to a local lawyer, William Bray.

"Went to Stoke church this morn.," wrote Bray on Easter Monday in 1755. "After dinner, went to Miss Jeale's to play at base ball with her the 3 Miss Whiteheads, Miss Billinghurst, Miss Molly Flutter, Mr. Chandler, Mr. Ford and H. Parsons. Drank tea and stayed til 8."

Julian Pooley, a historian at the Surrey History Centre who verified the diary, said Bray's precise printing of the words "base ball" suggested the sport may have been new to him.

"He writes in a particular type of handwriting but when he comes across a new word he often wrote it in a clear way as if he wanted to remember it," Pooley told CNN.

Also on display from the same era is an embroidered handkerchief featuring images of popular sports and pastimes of the day including cricket, fishing and "base-ball."

"The ball once struck off, Away flies the boy, To the next destind post, And then home with joy," reads an accompanying verse.

Adam Chadwick, Curator of the Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) Museum at Lord's, which is hosting the exhibition in collaboration with the Baseball Hall of Fame and the C.C. Morris Cricket Library and Collection in Philadelphia, said the diary and the handkerchief offered convincing evidence of baseball's historic origins.

"You have a game called 'base-ball' being played alongside other things such as cricket, stool ball, trap ball, all of these ancient bat and ball games in the early part of the 18th century in England," Chadwick told CNN. "It really does confirm the feeling that some people have that baseball has a really ancient tradition."

Stool ball is an even older variation of bat and ball, dating back to at least the mid-15th century, which scholars say could have been the common link in the early development of both cricket and baseball.

The Marylebone Cricket Club was founded in 1787 and was responsible for codifying the rules on which the modern game of cricket is based.

"Swinging Away: How Cricket and Baseball Connect" also traces the development of bats, balls and uniforms in each sport, featuring equipment used by stars from baseball's Babe Ruth to Barry Bonds and cricket's W.G. Grace to Andrew Flintoff.

While the sports diverged with the formalization of cricket's rules and the 19th-century emergence of professional baseball in the U.S., Chadwick says the two sports continued to influence and compete with each other into the 20th century.

One of the first great professional baseball sides, the Cincinnati Red Stockings, was managed by Harry Wright, the son of an English cricketer who played both sports professionally in New York.

"Harry picks up the team, takes them off to Boston and they eventually turn themselves into the Boston Red Sox that we know today," said Chadwick. "Here we have a professional cricketer at the heart of that winning side."

While the global reach of the British Empire spread cricket to India, Australia and other imperial outposts, baseball also set about promoting itself worldwide, backed by baseball player-turned-entrepreneur Albert G. Spalding.

Spalding saw the potential of opening up new markets for his burgeoning sports goods business and incredible images show a game of baseball being played in front of the Pyramids in Egypt in 1889, with players clambering up the Sphinx to pose for a team photo afterwards.

In 1874, Wright's Red Stockings had toured England along with the Philadelphia Athletics, playing exhibition matches against each other and playing cricket against local sides. In one thrilling encounter at Lord's, the Americans beat an MCC side by two runs, despite playing an exhibition game of baseball between the sessions of the cricket match.

Yet despite attracting curious crowds, it seemed that a love of one sport precluded anything more than an admiration for the other.

"I consider baseball an excellent game, but cricket a better one," said the Prince of Wales - who was to become Edward VII -- after watching an exhibition in London in 1889.

While visiting London in 1934, Babe Ruth was unimpressed by the wages paid to professional cricketers and considered hitting the ball with cricket's wider and flat-faced bat no challenge at all.

"Sure I could smack that ball all right," he said. "How could I help it when you have a great wide board to swing."

Cricket hung on in the States, the amateur spirit kept alive by the Gentlemen of Philadelphia who regularly toured England until the early 20th century and produced John Barton King, considered the country's greatest ever cricketer.

In 1908, King topped the bowling averages in England, catching batsmen unawares with his baseball-influenced "Angler" -- a swerving delivery which began with King holding both his hands behind his head in the manner of a pitcher.

Ultimately though, the U.S. was looking for its own game and baseball fitted the bill. In 1908 a commission appointed by Spalding to investigate the sport's origins concluded that baseball had been invented by Abner Doubleday, later a Civil War general, at Cooperstown, New York, in 1839 -- a story which baseball historians now call a myth.

Tom Shieber, Senior Curator at the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum at Cooperstown, said there had been no "inception moment" when baseball was created.

But he said the uncovering of the sport's English origins did not change the fact that the modern game was a 19th-century American creation.

"You can find all sorts of rourtes to the game but the bottom line is that baseball is an American game," Shieber told CNN.

"This is where it grew up, this is where it was embraced. Just because the latest evidence shows that there was a game called, of all things, baseball doesn't mean you have to call it an English sport. I don't think people in the U.S. would believe it and I don't think people in England would believe it."

And while cricket and baseball may have been separated at birth, Chadwick says the sports still have much to learn from each other, especially with the advent of Twenty20 cricket -- a shortened form of the game which eschews the traditional tactical conservatism of the five-day test match format in favor of rapid-fire hitting.

Chadwick says Twenty20 has brought cricket and baseball as close as they have ever been.

"Sport does tend to be slightly tribal. If you are a follower of one thing now you follow that sport to the exclusion of all else," he said.

"But there are far too many similarities and far too much to learn from each other for the one game to ignore the other. I think as a fan one can really appreciate one's own game a little better if one understands the other game the more."

"Swinging Away: How Cricket and Baseball Connect" runs until December 2010 at the MCC Museum at Lord's Cricket Ground in London.

CNN's Paul Armstrong and Ryan Smith contributed to this story.

BlaK-Argentina
06-13-2010, 05:25 PM
Hey, you leave my second favorite Olympic sport out of this!

I actually kind of like it too but it was bashed non stop during the olympics.

El Minion
06-13-2010, 05:26 PM
And that is why we play sports with our hands in this country!

The irony is that the goalie is the only player allowed to use his hands.

That One Guy
06-13-2010, 05:47 PM
Those aren't even remotely comparable things. You'd have to compare:
1) a bicycle kick to hitting a fastball, catching a hail mary, or nailing a 3 pointer.
or
2) running and kicking a ball in a general direction to running around a square, pushing someone for 3 seconds followed by a minute break or sprinting 20 feet, stopping to get fouled and repeat.

You can't compare the core concept of a sport versus the highlight plays of others. Come on now.

The point was for children. Once you start getting to pros, the ability to curve a corner kick or shot in general becomes a skilled game but those rarely come into play with a kids game. Children's soccer requires almost no acute skills.

DBruleU
06-13-2010, 06:08 PM
Nope, English origin:

末末末末末末末末

Did baseball begin in 18th-century England?
(http://www.cnn.com/2010/SPORT/06/01/lords.museum.baseball.cricket/index.html)
By Simon Hooper, CNN
STORY HIGHLIGHTS
18th century English diary contains oldest known reference to baseball
Baseball believed to have been played alognside other bat and ball games
Both baseball and cricket may have evolved from earlier game called "stool ball"
Exhibition at MCC Museum in London highlights sports' common heritage
London, England (CNN) -- An extract from an 18th-century diary containing the oldest known reference to baseball is among the items on display in a new exhibition in London exploring the English origins and cricketing connections of America's national sport.

While baseball was once claimed to have been invented in the U.S. in the mid-19th century, recent findings suggest a sport of the same name may have evolved decades earlier alongside cricket, crossing the Atlantic with English settlers to the American colonies.

One notable discovery found in a shed in a village in Surrey, southern England, in 2008 was a handwritten 18th-century diary belonging to a local lawyer, William Bray.

"Went to Stoke church this morn.," wrote Bray on Easter Monday in 1755. "After dinner, went to Miss Jeale's to play at base ball with her the 3 Miss Whiteheads, Miss Billinghurst, Miss Molly Flutter, Mr. Chandler, Mr. Ford and H. Parsons. Drank tea and stayed til 8."

Julian Pooley, a historian at the Surrey History Centre who verified the diary, said Bray's precise printing of the words "base ball" suggested the sport may have been new to him.

"He writes in a particular type of handwriting but when he comes across a new word he often wrote it in a clear way as if he wanted to remember it," Pooley told CNN.

Also on display from the same era is an embroidered handkerchief featuring images of popular sports and pastimes of the day including cricket, fishing and "base-ball."

"The ball once struck off, Away flies the boy, To the next destind post, And then home with joy," reads an accompanying verse.

Adam Chadwick, Curator of the Marylebone Cricket Club (MCC) Museum at Lord's, which is hosting the exhibition in collaboration with the Baseball Hall of Fame and the C.C. Morris Cricket Library and Collection in Philadelphia, said the diary and the handkerchief offered convincing evidence of baseball's historic origins.

"You have a game called 'base-ball' being played alongside other things such as cricket, stool ball, trap ball, all of these ancient bat and ball games in the early part of the 18th century in England," Chadwick told CNN. "It really does confirm the feeling that some people have that baseball has a really ancient tradition."

Stool ball is an even older variation of bat and ball, dating back to at least the mid-15th century, which scholars say could have been the common link in the early development of both cricket and baseball.

The Marylebone Cricket Club was founded in 1787 and was responsible for codifying the rules on which the modern game of cricket is based.

"Swinging Away: How Cricket and Baseball Connect" also traces the development of bats, balls and uniforms in each sport, featuring equipment used by stars from baseball's Babe Ruth to Barry Bonds and cricket's W.G. Grace to Andrew Flintoff.

While the sports diverged with the formalization of cricket's rules and the 19th-century emergence of professional baseball in the U.S., Chadwick says the two sports continued to influence and compete with each other into the 20th century.

One of the first great professional baseball sides, the Cincinnati Red Stockings, was managed by Harry Wright, the son of an English cricketer who played both sports professionally in New York.

"Harry picks up the team, takes them off to Boston and they eventually turn themselves into the Boston Red Sox that we know today," said Chadwick. "Here we have a professional cricketer at the heart of that winning side."

While the global reach of the British Empire spread cricket to India, Australia and other imperial outposts, baseball also set about promoting itself worldwide, backed by baseball player-turned-entrepreneur Albert G. Spalding.

Spalding saw the potential of opening up new markets for his burgeoning sports goods business and incredible images show a game of baseball being played in front of the Pyramids in Egypt in 1889, with players clambering up the Sphinx to pose for a team photo afterwards.

In 1874, Wright's Red Stockings had toured England along with the Philadelphia Athletics, playing exhibition matches against each other and playing cricket against local sides. In one thrilling encounter at Lord's, the Americans beat an MCC side by two runs, despite playing an exhibition game of baseball between the sessions of the cricket match.

Yet despite attracting curious crowds, it seemed that a love of one sport precluded anything more than an admiration for the other.

"I consider baseball an excellent game, but cricket a better one," said the Prince of Wales - who was to become Edward VII -- after watching an exhibition in London in 1889.

While visiting London in 1934, Babe Ruth was unimpressed by the wages paid to professional cricketers and considered hitting the ball with cricket's wider and flat-faced bat no challenge at all.

"Sure I could smack that ball all right," he said. "How could I help it when you have a great wide board to swing."

Cricket hung on in the States, the amateur spirit kept alive by the Gentlemen of Philadelphia who regularly toured England until the early 20th century and produced John Barton King, considered the country's greatest ever cricketer.

In 1908, King topped the bowling averages in England, catching batsmen unawares with his baseball-influenced "Angler" -- a swerving delivery which began with King holding both his hands behind his head in the manner of a pitcher.

Ultimately though, the U.S. was looking for its own game and baseball fitted the bill. In 1908 a commission appointed by Spalding to investigate the sport's origins concluded that baseball had been invented by Abner Doubleday, later a Civil War general, at Cooperstown, New York, in 1839 -- a story which baseball historians now call a myth.

Tom Shieber, Senior Curator at the National Baseball Hall of Fame and Museum at Cooperstown, said there had been no "inception moment" when baseball was created.

But he said the uncovering of the sport's English origins did not change the fact that the modern game was a 19th-century American creation.

"You can find all sorts of rourtes to the game but the bottom line is that baseball is an American game," Shieber told CNN.

"This is where it grew up, this is where it was embraced. Just because the latest evidence shows that there was a game called, of all things, baseball doesn't mean you have to call it an English sport. I don't think people in the U.S. would believe it and I don't think people in England would believe it."

And while cricket and baseball may have been separated at birth, Chadwick says the sports still have much to learn from each other, especially with the advent of Twenty20 cricket -- a shortened form of the game which eschews the traditional tactical conservatism of the five-day test match format in favor of rapid-fire hitting.

Chadwick says Twenty20 has brought cricket and baseball as close as they have ever been.

"Sport does tend to be slightly tribal. If you are a follower of one thing now you follow that sport to the exclusion of all else," he said.

"But there are far too many similarities and far too much to learn from each other for the one game to ignore the other. I think as a fan one can really appreciate one's own game a little better if one understands the other game the more."

"Swinging Away: How Cricket and Baseball Connect" runs until December 2010 at the MCC Museum at Lord's Cricket Ground in London.

CNN's Paul Armstrong and Ryan Smith contributed to this story.

Ok.

I never said it was invented here, I really don't care where it was invented, it isn't played elsewhere (Maybe Japan, but not really) like it is here. I'm sure some part of it was invented along side Cricket, seeing as there are many similarities, but the fact remains it became as American as apple pie.

Now you'll tell me the Swedes invented apple pie.

Well I don't give a flying pig. Apple pie kicks ass and it's American.

McDman
06-13-2010, 06:56 PM
People absolutely love to bash soccer for no reason, I've never really understood the hate for it. If you don't like it, don't watch it. Why is it always necessary for people to bash other people if they love the game?

I find baseball to be extremely boring and a very unathletic game(there are athletes and they have tremendous skills, but I don't consider it to be a very athletic game), but I don't go bashing people for liking it.

Soccer requires both skill and athleticism. If anyone of you who are bashing it went out to a park and tried to kick a ball around accurately I think you'd find it's really not as easy as it sounds.

broncocalijohn
06-13-2010, 07:13 PM
Soccer is not a featured sport in junior high athletics. So when kids are trying to find their place among their peers, they have to play featured sports in their school to fit in.

If soccer was featured in junior high athletics, it would be more mainstream than basketball because more kids make the team and more kids get on the field at the same time. Not only that, but you dont have the weird gym-dirt-locker room smell and the weird basketball coaches.

you are so full of ****. Soccer is still played in junior high through youth programs. We didnt have baseball in junior high but we still played little league. You make it sound like soccer isnt "cool" enough for junior high kids. It is a fine sport up to high school. Your attendance is high so it would be more mainstream is bunk. Track is one of the most attended sports with almost anyone going out to get the "A". I dont see millions going to watch track at their nearest facility or watching it on their cable channel. The reason why soccer isnt watched or cared for once people become adults is that we want action and results. A zero to zero tie does not give us that. Just like many young adults are liberal. Wants they grow up, many realize it isnt for them. You can take the same with our youth and soccer. They will grow out of it.

broncocalijohn
06-13-2010, 07:21 PM
Hahahaha, I have one of those horns. I went to the US game in Nashville, I think the guy next to me loathed my soul. Granted, I only blew it when we scored and a couple other times.

what was his problem then? Seems like you used it no more than 3 times (once for the goal and two times to get the attention of the beer guy). **** those horns and the people that are IQ deprived for blowing into them. I know why they do it; What else could they get excited for during 90 minutes of 10 shots on goal?

gyldenlove
06-13-2010, 07:28 PM
Not really.

A basketball team consists of 5 starters and 7 bench players.

A soccer team has 11 field players and 12 bench players.

There are plenty of scholarships in soccer, but the really good players go pro when they are in their teens. The youngest player drafted into MLS this last year was 17.

There are pro leagues in every country in the world where players can earn a living. There are way more professional opportunities in soccer than in any other sport played in America.

The really good players never go to high school, realistically the best youngsters in the world should start at an academy at age 14, that way they can make a living playing soccer from about when they turn 16. Wayne Rooney played in the premier league at age 16, and it is not uncommon for super stars to play regularly in the pro leagues at age 17.

BlaK-Argentina
06-13-2010, 08:45 PM
Soccer requires both skill and athleticism. If anyone of you who are bashing it went out to a park and tried to kick a ball around accurately I think you'd find it's really not as easy as it sounds.


I've always found it easy. I guess us argentinians are born with a soccer gen or something.

I can pretty much kick the ball wherever I want... that's why I never understood how players that have spent all their lives kicking a damn ball can miss penalty shots or send a free kick to the upper rows of the stadium. I can't dribble for crap though... :wiggle:

McDman
06-13-2010, 09:07 PM
what was his problem them. Seems like you used it no more than 3 times (once for the goal and two times to get the attention of the beer guy). **** those horns and the people that are IQ deprived for blowing into them. I know why they do it; What else could they get excited for during 90 minutes of 10 shots on goal?

Altidore had a hat trick, it was awesome.

That's fine if you can't get excited for soccer, I just don't understand why people always have to try and bring down people who do. It's not always about goals being scored, it's the build up with a combination of skill and beautiful passes.

epicSocialism4tw
06-13-2010, 09:07 PM
The really good players never go to high school, realistically the best youngsters in the world should start at an academy at age 14, that way they can make a living playing soccer from about when they turn 16. Wayne Rooney played in the premier league at age 16, and it is not uncommon for super stars to play regularly in the pro leagues at age 17.

Yeah, I didnt want to bring up academies. Thats a little too far out for casual American fans to understand. We do have some academies here (national team residency in Bradenton, FL, etc.) but if I started talking about Ajax and their scouts who regularly recruit children to begin soccer careers, I imagine that eyes will glaze over and daydreams of smacking helmets will dance in their heads.

gunns
06-13-2010, 09:22 PM
I know what you mean. Those horns in the stands drive me crazy. I keep looking around for the swarm of hornets.

They are looking at banning the "vuvuzela's"

http://g.sports.yahoo.com/soccer/world-cup/blog/dirty-tackle/post/Vuvuzelas-might-yet-be-banned-from-World-Cup?urn=sow,247947

That One Guy
06-13-2010, 09:49 PM
Soccer requires both skill and athleticism. If anyone of you who are bashing it went out to a park and tried to kick a ball around accurately I think you'd find it's really not as easy as it sounds.

I love soccer. I enjoy watching a good game (Germany game today was a very good one) and very much enjoy watching the kids play it.

That being said, the athletic requirements are quite overblown as there is often a lot of slow periods when the ball is on the other side of the field. When the ball goes forward, the defenders push to set the trap but it's a lazy jog... noone's sprinting. Just an example.

And, again, the skill matter is there in some occasions but you don't need it to play as a kid. 90% of those who played soccer couldn't hit a curveball if they had to. Once you get into high school and up, actual skills begin to develop. Can the average kid bend in a corner or do a rainbow kick? No. Can he move a ball down field and put it in a goal if the defenders are equally unskilled? Yes.

WABronco
06-13-2010, 09:49 PM
what was his problem them. Seems like you used it no more than 3 times (once for the goal and two times to get the attention of the beer guy). **** those horns and the people that are IQ deprived for blowing into them. I know why they do it; What else could they get excited for during 90 minutes of 10 shots on goal?

Ya soccer's only become popular with the introduction of some plastic horns.

You guys mad that people like something that's so un-American?

baja
06-13-2010, 09:59 PM
Ya soccer's only become popular with the introduction of some plastic horns.

You guys mad that people like something that's so un-American?

Noise pollution, it's real, it's serious.

Dagmar
06-13-2010, 10:10 PM
That's fine if you can't get excited for soccer, I just don't understand why people always have to try and bring down people who do. It's not always about goals being scored, it's the build up with a combination of skill and beautiful passes.

Exactly this.

http://www.bavatotale.it/images/materazzi-rui-costa.jpg

broncocalijohn
06-13-2010, 10:33 PM
Altidore had a hat trick, it was awesome.

That's fine if you can't get excited for soccer, I just don't understand why people always have to try and bring down people who do. It's not always about goals being scored, it's the build up with a combination of skill and beautiful passes.

To me, it is great foreplay then you get denied for the fun. Not for most humans in this country.

snowspot66
06-13-2010, 10:55 PM
To me, it is great foreplay then you get denied for the fun. Not for most humans in this country.

It's like hockey without the scoring.

Are there any really good hockey countries that are also good soccer countries?

broncocalijohn
06-13-2010, 11:03 PM
It's like hockey without the scoring.

Are there any really good hockey countries that are also good soccer countries?

At least hockey gives you fast and non stop action. Did they score? Nope, but the guy just went into the boards face first! If you touch a guy on the soccer field, he goes down in pain....until the ref gives the opponent a yellow card. Soccer is the equivalent of you getting to makeout with your women and then right when you for the breast, she grabs the hand and puts it back down except you might stop trying after a few times but soccer will disappoint you 15 times in 90 minutes.

strafen
06-13-2010, 11:06 PM
To me, it is great foreplay then you get denied for the fun. Not for most humans in this country.Most people in the USA don't give a rat's ass about soccer. Fact!

DHallblows
06-13-2010, 11:06 PM
It's like hockey without the scoring.

Are there any really good hockey countries that are also good soccer countries?

Russia, US and Czech Republic. All 3 are questionable on both sides really. None that are dominate at both that I can think of.

DHallblows
06-13-2010, 11:10 PM
Most people in the USA don't give a rat's ass about the Red Sox. Fact!

Dagmar
06-13-2010, 11:21 PM
Most people in the USA don't give a rat's ass about soccer. Fact!

Check the ratings for the game on Saturday you ****ing retard.

Popps
06-13-2010, 11:51 PM
I do believe it boils down to understanding and probably more cultural differences.

Maybe, but to say people "don't understand" it is a real stretch. There aren't many sports with a simpler concept. Baseball (for example) is 10x more complicated from a rules and objective standpoint.

Most American parents just don't expose their kids to soccer because they didn't play it (minus you popps).

Soccer was WILDLY popular in St. Louis. It's willy popular in LA. Most parents I know have their kids in a league, and almost 100% of the kids I grew up with played at one time or another. Maybe it's not popular in Colorado... but that would surprise me. I mean, we played in Gym class, even.

I'm not remotely making a case AGAINST soccer. I think it's fine. Great for kids, O.K. to watch in the big events. Clearly, it's popular around the world.

I'm just saying that when people say people "don't understand" it as they're reasoning for why people don't like it, they're barking up the wrong tree.

I understand techno house music. I just don't like it. I don't need to be "educated" to the finer points of it. I just don't care for it.

Plenty of people feel the same way about soccer.

strafen
06-13-2010, 11:52 PM
....

**** off and get AIDS you trolling piece of ****.
Nothing, absolutely NOTHING you post is for our enjoyment. You are a cancer, you are the face aids of the orangemane.
:spit: Really.

THese people who revel in bad things happen to the Broncos... I hope you get AIDS.
How do you think your Bears are going to do this year? And also, you are an absolute **** and I hope you die.
True! LOL
Seriously get AIDS.
No, I had sex with your mom before she got it.

El Guapo
06-14-2010, 07:04 AM
I'll preface this video by saying that I played soccer for 9 years and am doing my best to pay attention to the world cup... well, only when the greatest country in the world is playing! USA! USA! USA! :D



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Beantown Bronco
06-14-2010, 07:28 AM
Most people in the USA don't give a rat's ass about soccer. Fact!


Check the ratings for the game on Saturday you ****ing retard.

Ummm, Dagmar. Didn't the rating show something like 10% of the country watched it? When did 10% all of a sudden equal 51%?

DenverBrit
06-14-2010, 08:06 AM
Most people in the USA don't give a rat's ass about soccer. Fact!

Most people?

Then most people in the USA don't give a rat's ass about Football, Basketball or that snooze-fest pastime, baseball.

Lomax
06-14-2010, 11:04 AM
Um they just don't show ads. Plenty of ads surround the field itself, and ads before and after the game. It's really nice. Not just the "no commercials" part, but the game itself has very few interruptions.

I love football (American version) to death, but I can see why people who didn't grow up with it get tired of the constant whistles, timeouts, and 20 seconds between 5 seconds of action. No doubt football has its own ebb and flow during a well played game, but a smooth running gameplay just isn't one of the sport's strengths and it is one in soccer.

As for "random and chaotic"...well I'm not sure how anyone who spends a few minutes watching could get that impression, given the passing and moves the top level guys make. That's one reason I love soccer (and hockey) - passing. I don't know, it's just really satisfying to see a good team that can work as a unit to find gaps, execute through balls, know where their teammates will be 5 seconds ahead of time.

Ultimately I think some people just want more scoring (or scoring chances) in their sport. Fair enough. If there is an opposite to soccer it could be basketball (though good teamwork, passing, etc are still pretty important). Constant scoring, constant interruptions for foul shooting, 80% of the games seem to be decided in the final 5 minutes (which isn't a plus in my book). Unless it's a big game, it bores me to death. I just can't get excited about an impressive dunk in the 1st half when I am almost guaranteed that the game will be tied at some point in the 2nd half and it will end with a foul/free-throw exposition. I admire the athletes, understand why people might love it, just not my cup o tea.

Dude, I totally agree. Soccer and B-ball fall into the same bucket for me. I like both. But neither compares to football. I'd rather play than watch, but I'd rather watch any of the above than see an episode of American Idol or CSI.

Basketball: Too much ref interferance. The refs call the game in b-ball, IMO more than any other sport. Almost all of the games you mention above, decided in the final 5 minutes are decided on free throws. And you can tell because every other game comes down to one side being happy and the other side feeling like the refs screwed them.

Soccer: Too much acting. Two guys fighting for the ball, one guy falls down, free kick. Plus they have a stupid, anti-climactic shoot-off to resolve ties that are also based around kicking a ball, but have nothing to do with what you've been doing the last 90 minutes of regulation. It would be the equivalent of playing a game of H-O-R-S-E at the end of regulation in a basketball game.

In football, thankfully, you're rewarded for winning the physical battle. And you play the game to resolve ties. I just wish they wouldn't change the OT rules for the playoffs. Not a major beef though.

Dagmar
06-14-2010, 11:26 AM
Ummm, Dagmar. Didn't the rating show something like 10% of the country watched it? When did 10% all of a sudden equal 51%?

DenverBrit made my point before I could. I could add democracy, since only 122 394 724 votes were cast in the 2008 election. 39 percent of the population.

baja
06-14-2010, 11:30 AM
DenverBrit made my point before I could. I could add democracy, since only 122 394 724 votes were cast in the 2008 election. 39 percent of the population.

what is the population of eligible voters.

Dagmar
06-14-2010, 11:43 AM
what is the population of eligible voters.

Ok, NFL then. Viewership for the Superbowl? NBA? Viewership for the game last night?

Beantown Bronco
06-14-2010, 11:49 AM
Ok, NFL then. Viewership for the Superbowl? NBA? Viewership for the game last night?

None of that matters....it's a separate argument entirely. He made a simple statement dealing with soccer and soccer alone. The viewership of other sporting events has no place in this specific debate.

Dagmar
06-14-2010, 12:17 PM
None of that matters....it's a separate argument entirely. He made a simple statement dealing with soccer and soccer alone. The viewership of other sporting events has no place in this specific debate.

Not really. I am in turn making the same statement, most of the USA doesn't give a rat's ass about the NBA or NFL. I love the sport of soccer and am defending it, you on the other hand is spending time criticising it. Not sure why you are investing your time in the argument. How dare people enjoy a sport?

BlaK-Argentina
06-14-2010, 12:22 PM
Not really. I am in turn making the same statement, most of the USA doesn't give a rat's ass about the NBA or NFL. I love the sport of soccer and am defending it, you on the other hand is spending time criticising it. Not sure why you are investing your time in the argument. How dare people enjoy a sport?

I think most people that don't like soccer choose to bash the sport because soccer fans on the other hand are always trying to convince them about how great a sport it is, how everyone likes it, how the WC is so important and so on... it really gets old. 99% of soccer fans don't understand that someone might not like it.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
06-14-2010, 12:37 PM
I am not a huge soccer fan, but I'm absolutely enjoying the spectacle of this World Cup. I think it's exciting and fun to watch.

Not telling you that you have to enjoy or watch it, but is it okay with you guys if I do? Can you let those of us who do enjoy it do so without chastising us?

That'd be great. Thanks.

GreatBronco16
06-14-2010, 01:11 PM
In football, thankfully, you're rewarded for winning the physical battle. And you play the game to resolve ties. I just wish they wouldn't change the OT rules for the playoffs. Not a major beef though.

And how are the majority of those OT games won? That's right, with the kicking of a ball.

That One Guy
06-14-2010, 01:24 PM
Dude, I totally agree. Soccer and B-ball fall into the same bucket for me. I like both. But neither compares to football. I'd rather play than watch, but I'd rather watch any of the above than see an episode of American Idol or CSI.

Basketball: Too much ref interferance. The refs call the game in b-ball, IMO more than any other sport. Almost all of the games you mention above, decided in the final 5 minutes are decided on free throws. And you can tell because every other game comes down to one side being happy and the other side feeling like the refs screwed them.

Soccer: Too much acting. Two guys fighting for the ball, one guy falls down, free kick. Plus they have a stupid, anti-climactic shoot-off to resolve ties that are also based around kicking a ball, but have nothing to do with what you've been doing the last 90 minutes of regulation. It would be the equivalent of playing a game of H-O-R-S-E at the end of regulation in a basketball game.

In football, thankfully, you're rewarded for winning the physical battle. And you play the game to resolve ties. I just wish they wouldn't change the OT rules for the playoffs. Not a major beef though.

I have to disagree with you on the shootout part. I love them. I would say they're the definition of climax as the entire game comes down to those 10 shots. Very exciting.

That One Guy
06-14-2010, 01:25 PM
I am not a huge soccer fan, but I'm absolutely enjoying the spectacle of this World Cup. I think it's exciting and fun to watch.

Not telling you that you have to enjoy or watch it, but is it okay with you guys if I do? Can you let those of us who do enjoy it do so without chastising us?

That'd be great. Thanks.

In the defense of the soccer-haters, they have left the World Cup thread alone for the most part. It's these side threads that they start the fuss in. That's gotta be good for something as they avoid the blatantly obvious soccer thread if they hate the sport (for the most part).

chadta
06-14-2010, 01:48 PM
soccer fans are as cultist as apple freaks, anytime somebody says they dont like it you get a million soccer fans jumping in and telling the person why they are wrong and why soccer is the best, just like the apple guys, ok fine you like it, great more power to ya.

when did soccer become a religion like the jehovas witnesses, and the fans sent out door to do to recruit other members.

i think fox should be the ones broadcasting soccer, i mean they used technology to try and help americans follow the black puck on white ice for hockey, so imagine what they could do with soccer. Time delay all games, and play back at double the speed. I might almost be tempted to watch that.

tsiguy96
06-14-2010, 01:50 PM
soccer fans are as cultist as apple freaks, anytime somebody says they dont like it you get a million soccer fans jumping in and telling the person why they are wrong and why soccer is the best, just like the apple guys, ok fine you like it, great more power to ya.

when did soccer become a religion like the jehovas witnesses, and the fans sent out door to do to recruit other members.

i think fox should be the ones broadcasting soccer, i mean they used technology to try and help americans follow the black puck on white ice for hockey, so imagine what they could do with soccer. Time delay all games, and play back at double the speed. I might almost be tempted to watch that.

you ever watch a porn then after awhile realize that it HAS to be playing in atleast 1.3x speed?

chadta
06-14-2010, 02:00 PM
you ever watch a porn then after awhile realize that it HAS to be playing in atleast 1.3x speed?

i always thought porn was magnified 2 times, nobody can really be 6 inches long, it just dosent happen

Beantown Bronco
06-14-2010, 02:11 PM
you ever watch a porn then after awhile realize that it HAS to be playing in atleast 1.3x speed?

I use a similar line on Mrs Bean when I try to convince her that I'm really not a 2 pump chump.

tsiguy96
06-14-2010, 02:14 PM
i use a similar line on mrs bean when i try to convince her that i'm really not a 2 pump chump.

:spit:

MaloCS
06-14-2010, 02:45 PM
Check the ratings for the game on Saturday you ****ing retard.

I bet reruns of "King of Queens" had a better showing. Hilarious!

TheElusiveKyleOrton
06-14-2010, 04:06 PM
I bet reruns of "King of Queens" had a better showing. Hilarious!

I'll gladly take that moronic bet.

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2010, 04:15 PM
You soccer haters might as well be telling us to "get off your lawn", because you are playing the old curmudgeon role to a T. Soccer is only going to get more and more popular here.

ZachKC
06-14-2010, 04:17 PM
I bet reruns of "King of Queens" had a better showing. Hilarious!

Money ****ing talks.

http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/08/sports/soccer/08sandomir.html?src=mv

ESPN and Univision are paying more than ever to carry the World Cup in the United States, proof that the quadrennial soccer tournament that begins Friday keeps increasing in value.

的f you ranked World Cup viewing by countries going back to 1998, the U.S. ranked 23rd, said Kevin Alavy, director of Initiative Sports Futures, a London-based analysis firm. 的n 2002, the U.S. jumped to 13th, and in 2006, it jumped again to 8th place. And we expect America to keep on jumping.

In 2006, the ESPN-ESPN2-ABC broadcasts of the World Cup reached 70.2 million viewers while Univision reached 29.5 million, according to Nielsen Media Research.

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展e bring our blood, sweat and tears to cover this event, Conde said. 鉄occer runs through our veins.

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epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2010, 04:23 PM
..and also...

How on earth can you say that soccer is boring and claim that baseball is interesting? I quit playing baseball when I was younger so that I could focus on soccer alone because it was much more fun and action-packed. I was a much better baseball player too and still got invited to play with traveling teams a couple of years after I quit. Baseball was a fun game, but it wasnt a fun sport. Soccer brings out the athlete in you quickly.

I think that baseball has suffered the most from the rise of soccer here, and will continue to suffer. A trip to the soccer park provides you the same experience, but gives you an actual action sport to watch.

chadta
06-14-2010, 06:44 PM
A trip to the soccer park provides you the same experience, but gives you an actual action sport to watch.

:rofl::rofl::rofl:

compared to baseball maybe, but really calling soccer action packed ? thats like calling golf full contact, or nascar intellectually stimulating.

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2010, 06:45 PM
compared to baseball maybe, but really calling soccer action packed ? thats like calling golf full contact, or nascar intellectually stimulating.

Just because you dont understand the action doesnt mean its not there.

WolfpackGuy
06-14-2010, 07:00 PM
Vuvuzela!

snowspot66
06-14-2010, 07:09 PM
Just because you dont understand the action doesnt mean its not there.

Boring is boring.

chadta
06-14-2010, 07:34 PM
Just because you dont understand the action doesnt mean its not there.

ok please explain cuz as far as i can tell, the point of the game is to score goals, since score is kept to determine the winner.

now in order to score a goal you must first take a shot.

it would seem to me a game that only delivers 3 or 4 attempts at doing what your supposed to do to win the game is a whole lot of FAIL as far as games go.

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2010, 07:40 PM
ok please explain cuz as far as i can tell, the point of the game is to score goals, since score is kept to determine the winner.

now in order to score a goal you must first take a shot.

it would seem to me a game that only delivers 3 or 4 attempts at doing what your supposed to do to win the game is a whole lot of FAIL as far as games go.

Yeah...its pretty clear that you dont understand the action.

Stick to what you understand and enjoy.

MaloCS
06-14-2010, 07:41 PM
Soccer blows. Hilarious!

It's a pansy sport. :yayaya:

If you havn't noticed this is a web site devoted to the Denver Broncos, an AMERICAN football organization. Why is there even a thread on this site about a pansy ass sport that only mama's boys play?

Yep... I said it. Everyone is thinking it so I just went balls out and said it. :thumbsup:

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2010, 07:42 PM
Boring is boring.

Well then dont watch. We wont miss ya. Cheers.

That One Guy
06-14-2010, 07:55 PM
Soccer blows. Hilarious!

It's a pansy sport. :yayaya:

If you havn't noticed this is a web site devoted to the Denver Broncos, an AMERICAN football organization. Why is there even a thread on this site about a pansy ass sport that only mama's boys play?

Yep... I said it. Everyone is thinking it so I just went balls out and said it. :thumbsup:

There's also a thread on the mainpage about the fella's internet disconnecting at midnight. Is he getting an equally ignorant response?

I'd think you'd spend your day reminding folks where they're at.

Don't you have anything better to do?

MaloCS
06-14-2010, 08:02 PM
Don't you have anything better to do?

You mean like creating a thread about soccer on a Denver Broncos bulletin board? Something better like that?

Isn't there a soccer bulletin board out there in the vastness of the internet that like minded people like you can jerk each other off on? Seriously, why would people like you want to have this argument? Just go find a soccer forum and beat each other off about how cool soccer is.

:thanku:

WABronco
06-14-2010, 08:07 PM
You mean like creating a thread about soccer on a Denver Broncos bulletin board? Something better like that?

Isn't there a soccer bulletin board out there in the vastness of the internet that like minded people like you can jerk each other off on? Seriously, why would people like you want to have this argument? Just go find a soccer forum and beat each other off about how cool soccer is.

:thanku:

SOMEONE IS ANGRY/UPSET.

Get back to the boobtube in your mother's basement, kid.

WABronco
06-14-2010, 08:10 PM
ok please explain cuz as far as i can tell, the point of the game is to score goals, since score is kept to determine the winner.

now in order to score a goal you must first take a shot.

it would seem to me a game that only delivers 3 or 4 attempts at doing what your supposed to do to win the game is a whole lot of FAIL as far as games go.

You wouldn't happen to watch curling, would you? Not being condescending, either.

That One Guy
06-14-2010, 08:10 PM
You mean like creating a thread about soccer on a Denver Broncos bulletin board? Something better like that?

Isn't there a soccer bulletin board out there in the vastness of the internet that like minded people like you can jerk each other off on? Seriously, why would people like you want to have this argument? Just go find a soccer forum and beat each other off about how cool soccer is.

:thanku:

Which is cooler? Talking about a topic you enjoy with people who similarly enjoy it or telling a group of people who enjoy a topic how much their topic sucks?

Isn't there a soccer-hating bulletin board out there in the vastness of the internet that like minded people like you can jerk each other off on?

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2010, 08:17 PM
The North Korea coach is talking about beating Brazil like its a done deal. He claims that thier mental toughness is what will give them the edge.

I hope they get beat 25-0. And while theyre gone from their hotel, the S. Koreans should put dead fish in their suitcases.

McDman
06-14-2010, 08:19 PM
Which is cooler? Talking about a topic you enjoy with people who similarly enjoy it or telling a group of people who enjoy a topic how much their topic sucks?

Isn't there a soccer-hating bulletin board out there in the vastness of the internet that like minded people like you can jerk each other off on?

Exactly.

Dagmar
06-14-2010, 08:47 PM
Which is cooler? Talking about a topic you enjoy with people who similarly enjoy it or telling a group of people who enjoy a topic how much their topic sucks?

Isn't there a soccer-hating bulletin board out there in the vastness of the internet that like minded people like you can jerk each other off on?

Excellent reply. :thumbs:

Dagmar
06-14-2010, 10:25 PM
I bet reruns of "King of Queens" had a better showing. Hilarious!

http://www.epltalk.com/england-usa-viewing-audience-beats-first-four-games-nba-finals/20914?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EPLTalk+%28EPL+Talk%29&utm_content=Twitter

Sunday we reported that ESPN痴 viewing numbers for the first five games of the tournament were double the number from four years ago. And now there痴 more good news as the TV ratings and updated audience numbers for Saturday and Sunday痴 matches add more ammunition to the argument that the 2010 World Cup is taking America by storm especially when you consider that the England v USA game drew more viewers than each night of the first four games of the NBA Finals.

Consider the following new World Cup data points:

* The TV audience for England against United States, on both ABC and Univision combined, was an astounding 17.0 million, according to Sports Media Watch.
* The 17.0 million USA v England viewing number is bigger than the first four games of the NBA Finals (14.1 mil, 15.7 mil, 16.0 mil and 16.4 mil). That痴 quite an accomplishment considering that the first four games of the NBA Finals have hit a six-year high in overnight ratings, with the exception of Game 1 which tied a six-year high. Game 5 of the NBA finals netted a viewing audience of 18.2 million.
* Other than the USA v England match, the highest viewing audience for a 2010 World Cup game was for the South Africa v Mexico where 5.3 million Americans watched the game on Univision. That痴 the largest viewing number ever for a soccer game on Univision!
* The most-watched game from Sunday was ABC痴 Germany-Australia matchup a 2.8 household rating, 3,270,000 households, and 4,657,000 viewers. Serbia-Ghana delivered a 2.3 household coverage rating, 2,248,000 households, and 3,002,000 viewers earlier in the day on ESPN, both based on fast nationals.
* Nearly 1.3 million viewers have viewed live and replay World Cup matches on ESPN3.com over the first three days of the tournament. That generated 73.6 million minutes of viewing (almost an hour per viewer). The number of minutes viewed in the opening three days is almost as many as ESPN3.com had for the entire month of June 2009.

The above World Cup viewing figures are even more impressive when you consider the time of the day the games are shown. While the NBA Finals are shown during primetime, the England against United States match was shown during a Saturday mid-afternoon time slot. Plus, the England against USA match on ABC alone drew more viewers than every game of the 2010 Stanley Cup Final. And that was after the June 9 broadcast of the Stanley Cup Final on NBC was the most-watched NHL game in the United States in 36 years with 8.28 million viewers.

As readers of EPL Talk have noted, the impressive TV ratings for the World Cup do not factor in the hundreds of thousands of soccer fans who watched the England against United States match in sports bars, pubs, baseball stadiums and other public venues across the States on Saturday.

17 million for King of Queens!

epicSocialism4tw
06-14-2010, 10:26 PM
England v USA Viewing Audience Beats First Games Of NBA Finals

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Dagmar
06-14-2010, 10:27 PM
England v USA Viewing Audience Beats First Games Of NBA Finals

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I stole your link from the other thread, you found it though!

broncofan2438
06-14-2010, 11:05 PM
If we continues to play until the tie was broken, that game could have lasted until Sunday night. Also, why in USA we have sports that dont end in a tie and time clocks that go down to zero not the other way around. But, even though soccer pretty much puts me to sleep, I watched the last 20 minutes. I guess we are happy for a tie. YEAH!

Your just a grumpy old man

That One Guy
06-14-2010, 11:25 PM
http://www.epltalk.com/england-usa-viewing-audience-beats-first-four-games-nba-finals/20914?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+EPLTalk+%28EPL+Talk%29&utm_content=Twitter



17 million for King of Queens!

Is this comparison a shot at King of Queens? I love that show...

Any show where a fat man marries a hot lady is good for fat guys everywhere.

chadta
06-15-2010, 05:52 AM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noOHdTQd6H8

that about sums it up

and to the poster that asked, no i dont watch curling

Dagmar
06-15-2010, 07:21 AM
Is this comparison a shot at King of Queens? I love that show...

Any show where a fat man marries a hot lady is good for fat guys everywhere.

No, it's a shot at the fella who was saying it was unlikely that the USA/England game got as many people watching as a King of Queens rerun.

broncocalijohn
06-15-2010, 11:44 AM
Your just a grumpy old man

I am a realist and not old just yet. Less than two weeks before I am 40.

BlaK-Argentina
06-15-2010, 12:17 PM
Is this comparison a shot at King of Queens? I love that show...

Any show where a fat man marries a hot lady is good for fat guys everywhere.

She was hot but what the hell happened to her towards the end of that show? She gained a LOT of weight!

WABronco
06-15-2010, 02:32 PM
I am a realist and not old just yet. Less than two weeks before I am 40.

You're a realist in your own reality then...just sayin'.

WABronco
06-15-2010, 02:37 PM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noOHdTQd6H8

that about sums it up

and to the poster that asked, no i dont watch curling

Lolz my lady friend and I were discussing that very scene, as she's a big Simpson's geek. She actually watched US/England though and was not "bored" through the entire 90 (<3).

That One Guy
06-15-2010, 02:42 PM
She was hot but what the hell happened to her towards the end of that show? She gained a LOT of weight!

Yes she did. Definitely went over a cliff. But we don't like to remember those days... we like to remember her younger and hotter.

Lomax
06-15-2010, 02:58 PM
And how are the majority of those OT games won? That's right, with the kicking of a ball.

In the context of the game. Not in a field goal shoot-off contest.

I have to disagree with you on the shootout part. I love them. I would say they're the definition of climax as the entire game comes down to those 10 shots. Very exciting.

It's drama-filled, sure. But in the end I have a hard time believing that winning a penalty shoot-off proves you're the better soccer team. How would you feel if football OT rules decided a winner by attempting 5 FGs a piece from 50 yds out? That's how I feel about soccer shoot-offs.

That One Guy
06-15-2010, 03:51 PM
In the context of the game. Not in a field goal shoot-off contest.



It's drama-filled, sure. But in the end I have a hard time believing that winning a penalty shoot-off proves you're the better soccer team. How would you feel if football OT rules decided a winner by attempting 5 FGs a piece from 50 yds out? That's how I feel about soccer shoot-offs.

well that would put the entire game on a kicker. In this scenario, it is 10 players vs 2 keepers doing what the game ultimately centers around - putting the ball in the net while the keeper defends.

You definitely don't want all the games to come down to this but if they can't break a tie after an hour and a half of playing, is one team really that much better than the other? Seems more fair, absolutely, than sudden death and if you're tied after an hour and a half, more time likely isn't the answer.

OABB
06-15-2010, 05:43 PM
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loborugger
06-15-2010, 06:01 PM
One that ends in a 0-0 tie?

Touche. And we have now had one of those, too.

I am not going to wade into the whole 'soccer sucks, no it doesn't' fight. 'Cuz it does and I aint arguing about it.

Having said that, I am not here to bash soccer. Its the world's sport... yeah, world. But, if you are the world's sport, and you are playing the world's sport at a spectacle that invites and includes the whole planet and is as large as the Olympics, it would seem to me that playing a 90 minute game should result in something besides a tie. Be it a 2-2 tie, 1-1 tie, or the gayest of all, a 0-0 tie.

There are mechanisms in place to deal with ties in the semi-finals, obviously. There is no reason why pool play shouldnt have these same rules and every game ends with a winner.

epicSocialism4tw
06-15-2010, 06:12 PM
Touche. And we have now had one of those, too.

I am not going to wade into the whole 'soccer sucks, no it doesn't' fight. 'Cuz it does and I aint arguing about it.

Having said that, I am not here to bash soccer. Its the world's sport... yeah, world. But, if you are the world's sport, and you are playing the world's sport at a spectacle that invites and includes the whole planet and is as large as the Olympics, it would seem to me that playing a 90 minute game should result in something besides a tie. Be it a 2-2 tie, 1-1 tie, or the gayest of all, a 0-0 tie.

There are mechanisms in place to deal with ties in the semi-finals, obviously. There is no reason why pool play shouldnt have these same rules and every game ends with a winner.

We have already dealt with that issue here in the states. MLS went to an overtime/shootout system and it just came off as cheesy and took away from the suspense already built into the game. Ties are significant and they play into strategy.

MaloCS
06-15-2010, 06:33 PM
We have already dealt with that issue here in the states. MLS went to an overtime/shootout system and it just came off as cheesy and took away from the suspense already built into the game. Ties are significant and they play into strategy.


Suspense? Strategy? You have got to be sheeting me? Seriously? Suspense?

Hilarious!


WTF is this, Alfred Hitchcock Presents?

Soccer blows!

Lomax
06-15-2010, 07:01 PM
well that would put the entire game on a kicker. In this scenario, it is 10 players vs 2 keepers doing what the game ultimately centers around - putting the ball in the net while the keeper defends.
You definitely don't want all the games to come down to this but if they can't break a tie after an hour and a half of playing, is one team really that much better than the other? Seems more fair, absolutely, than sudden death and if you're tied after an hour and a half, more time likely isn't the answer.

Well the game of soccer doesn't really center around a 1-on-1 match between a kicker and a goalkeeper. I'll change my analogy then. It would be like resolving OT by 1-on-1 tackle drills where each team selects 5 different players to try and beat one guy into the endzone.

That One Guy
06-15-2010, 07:07 PM
Well the game of soccer doesn't really center around a 1-on-1 match between a kicker and a goalkeeper. I'll change my analogy then. It would be like resolving OT by 1-on-1 tackle drills where each team selects 5 different players to try and beat one guy into the endzone.

Agreed but in any game where scoring happens regularly, overtime works and usually resolves itself. In a game where scoring is sparse, they have to find a way to resolve the game.

Not being a pain but what else is the answer? How else can they resolve a game that could otherwise go hours upon hours without a goal?

WABronco
06-15-2010, 07:49 PM
There are mechanisms in place to deal with ties in the semi-finals, obviously. There is no reason why pool play shouldnt have these same rules and every game ends with a winner.

Sure there's a reason. There's a better chance of the two best teams from each group advancing.

WABronco
06-15-2010, 07:49 PM
http://memegenerator.net/redneck/ImageMacro/1337290/redneck-Damn-Eu-ra-peans-Soccer-STANKS-and-I-Hate-it.jpg

Lomax
06-15-2010, 08:27 PM
Agreed but in any game where scoring happens regularly, overtime works and usually resolves itself. In a game where scoring is sparse, they have to find a way to resolve the game.

Not being a pain but what else is the answer? How else can they resolve a game that could otherwise go hours upon hours without a goal?

The sparse scoring is by design. To fix the OT system, you have to fix the game so scoring is more frequent. We do it in football. I don't see FIFA adjusting the rules, but MLS could certainly do it.

I would tweak the rules to discourage keepaway ball where games drag on with one or both teams playing defense for half the game or more. If both teams were pushing the ball forward, there would be more scores, and you could resolve games with sudden death overtime.

Example: Make it a foul to kick the ball back and forth without pushing forward. Basketball does it with a half court clock and a shot clock. Why not something similar? You would see more 4-3 games and fewer 1-1 games with that simple adjustment.

That One Guy
06-15-2010, 08:34 PM
The sparse scoring is by design. To fix the OT system, you have to fix the game so scoring is more frequent. We do it in football. I don't see FIFA adjusting the rules, but MLS could certainly do it.

I would tweak the rules to discourage keepaway ball where games drag on with one or both teams playing defense for half the game or more. If both teams were pushing the ball forward, there would be more scores, and you could resolve games with sudden death overtime.

Example: Make it a foul to kick the ball back and forth without pushing forward. Basketball does it with a half court clock and a shot clock. Why not something similar? You would see more 4-3 games and fewer 1-1 games with that simple adjustment.

You're talking a 100 yd field, what would the shot clock be... 2 mins?

A team is going to turnover in probably... 75% of their opportunities (if not more) so it would generally be a moot point. To shorten it anymore would essentially turn it into a track meet with a ball.

I just don't see that as reasonable. We discussed in the World Cup thread earlier about how refs let a lot more contact happen inside the 18yd box so as not to give an iffy penalty kick and influence the game too much. In doing so, defenders get away with a lot of contact and questionable tackles as the refs play it safe on their calls at that point and that increases the defensive advantage. Enforcing the rules more in the boxes MIGHT help resolve the game. Maybe that would be a possibility. I don't know that most soccer fans are interested in having their sport changed in such a way though.

DenverBrit
06-15-2010, 08:38 PM
Suspense? Strategy? You have got to be sheeting me? Seriously? Suspense?

Hilarious!


WTF is this, Alfred Hitchcock Presents?

Soccer blows!

Nah, you just don't get it whereas most of the world does..

I don't 'get' baseball, it sends me to sleep....just like cricket, but that doesn't mean it 'blows.'

Or does it? ;D

MaloCS
06-15-2010, 09:09 PM
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Lomax
06-15-2010, 10:00 PM
You're talking a 100 yd field, what would the shot clock be... 2 mins?

A team is going to turnover in probably... 75% of their opportunities (if not more) so it would generally be a moot point. To shorten it anymore would essentially turn it into a track meet with a ball.

I just don't see that as reasonable. We discussed in the World Cup thread earlier about how refs let a lot more contact happen inside the 18yd box so as not to give an iffy penalty kick and influence the game too much. In doing so, defenders get away with a lot of contact and questionable tackles as the refs play it safe on their calls at that point and that increases the defensive advantage. Enforcing the rules more in the boxes MIGHT help resolve the game. Maybe that would be a possibility. I don't know that most soccer fans are interested in having their sport changed in such a way though.

IMO again, the turnovers are more likely because teams don't push players forward. They do that because they don't need to. There's no time element to making a shot. They send 3 or 4 guys against 6 or 8 defenders, which will almost always end in a tackle, which is why goal attempts are so rare.

A shot clock would do two things: Force teams to play counter defense where they leave 3 or more players near midfield ready for a counter attack, because it would exhaust them to run everyone back on defense, then push ahead quickly to attack. And force the offense to push more players forward to keep possession and get good shot attempts.

If you were forced to push 7 guys forward to get a shot attempt quickly (not 2 minutes, but maybe 30 seconds once you get past midfield), like teams do in desperation at the end of games, the play would end one of two ways: a tackle and a counter-attack, or a shot attempt.

Hardcore fans would hate it, but since there aren't many hardcore soccer fans in the US, the MLS would be a perfect place to try such adjustments.

epicSocialism4tw
06-15-2010, 10:11 PM
Whaaa!

http://www.untoldentertainment.com/blog/img/2009_09_30/baby.jpg

Other people like soccer and I dont! WHAAAAAAAAA!!!

epicSocialism4tw
06-15-2010, 10:12 PM
IMO again, the turnovers are more likely because teams don't push players forward. They do that because they don't need to. There's no time element to making a shot. They send 3 or 4 guys against 6 or 8 defenders, which will almost always end in a tackle, which is why goal attempts are so rare.

A shot clock would do two things: Force teams to play counter defense where they leave 3 or more players near midfield ready for a counter attack, because it would exhaust them to run everyone back on defense, then push ahead quickly to attack. And force the offense to push more players forward to keep possession and get good shot attempts.

If you were forced to push 7 guys forward to get a shot attempt quickly (not 2 minutes, but maybe 30 seconds once you get past midfield), like teams do in desperation at the end of games, the play would end one of two ways: a tackle and a counter-attack, or a shot attempt.

Hardcore fans would hate it, but since there aren't many hardcore soccer fans in the US, the MLS would be a perfect place to try such adjustments.

Those are all horrible ideas that would destroy any chance of the sport continuing to grow in this country.

Taco John
06-15-2010, 10:14 PM
Only a fool does it with volume on or as the main source of entertainment. Soccer muted while surfing the Mane? Perfect.

Like baseball!

Dagmar
06-15-2010, 10:14 PM
thing I took from the WC thread

You have literally spent minutes and minutes of your life attacking a sport you hate. Hilarious!

Taco John
06-15-2010, 10:14 PM
I try to watch soccer. But then once I get settled in I realize that soccer is on.

Dagmar
06-15-2010, 10:19 PM
I try to watch soccer. But then once I get settled in I realize that soccer is on.

Honestly, if you feel like that, don't watch, then on June 26th, tune in. The games get VERY good when they get to the last 16. I LOVE the sport and have been bored by a bunch of these games.

Lomax
06-15-2010, 10:23 PM
Those are all horrible ideas that would destroy any chance of the sport continuing to grow in this country.

"4-3? Lame! This game was much better when there was only one or two goals a game."

Yeah, I can see your point.

epicSocialism4tw
06-15-2010, 10:30 PM
"4-3? Lame! This game was much better when there was only one or two goals a game."

Yeah, I can see your point.

The game is just fine the way it is.

The only thing I would change is to add another official on the field.

Rock Chalk
06-15-2010, 10:32 PM
I watch the World Cup.

No, scratch that.

I was the USA in teh World Cup.

Outside of that you cannot pay me money to watch soccer.

I understand it.

Its just ****ing boring. Field is too big, game is too long.

Here's a ****ing idea.

Make the field smaller. take off half the number of players, make the goal bigger and let them use their ****ing hands.

Yellow Card for nut punches.

Red card for broken bones.

Outside of that anything goes.

Holy **** I just created the world's most awesome sport.

Lomax
06-15-2010, 10:40 PM
The game is just fine the way it is.

The only thing I would change is to add another official on the field.

Disagree, for the reasons stated above. Too much defensive nonsense makes for boring games. Boring games are great for hardcore fans, but not for casual ones. Then to cap it off, they resolve draw games in tournaments (which are draws because there are so few on goal attempts) with a random shoot-off competition.

I'm exactly the demographic that could be persuaded to watch more if games didn't get so tedious to watch and result in 1 or 2 goals in over 90 minutes of action. I think that demographic in the US is pretty large, because there are many more exciting, homegrown sports to watch.

I'm not saying MLS will ever be like the NBA, but 1-0 and 1-1 games are just not conducive to bringing more viewers into the fold.

That One Guy
06-15-2010, 10:50 PM
Disagree, for the reasons stated above. Too much defensive nonsense makes for boring games. Boring games are great for hardcore fans, but not for casual ones. Then to cap it off, they resolve draw games in tournaments (which are draws because there are so few on goal attempts) with a random shoot-off competition.

I'm exactly the demographic that could be persuaded to watch more if games didn't get so tedious to watch and result in 1 or 2 goals in over 90 minutes of action. I think that demographic in the US is pretty large, because there are many more exciting, homegrown sports to watch.

I'm not saying MLS will ever be like the NBA, but 1-0 and 1-1 games are just not conducive to bringing more viewers into the fold.

If it avoids the commercialization that has taken over the NBA and NFL, I'm ok with that.

I loved hearing honesty in the commentary today. I love that they haven't found a way to sneak in TV timeouts and milk every available second for advertising. They don't even do any advertising that I saw beyond a couple quick commercials at halftime and the on field banners. I loved that.

I'm really ok with soccer, now that you mention it.

Taco John
06-15-2010, 10:50 PM
I like the idea of soccer on a shorter field. And then instead of a huge net, shrink it down. And instead of kicking the ball, have them dribble it. Hmmm... What else...

WABronco
06-15-2010, 10:51 PM
Quick someone explain offsides to me! Someone who "understands" the game!

/SARCASM

Soccer's been just fine without becoming Americanized.

Dagmar
06-15-2010, 10:53 PM
Quick someone explain offsides to me!

Soccer's been just fine without becoming Americanized.

http://www.history-of-soccer.org/image-files/offside-cropped-for-box.jpg

The blue guy with the ball passes, that guy behind the dotted line is offside. He needs to be behind or level with the last defender. The goalie doesn't count.

That One Guy
06-15-2010, 10:53 PM
Nothing to see here...

WABronco
06-15-2010, 10:57 PM
Lol you guys! I've known what offsides is for about 15 years. Bad sarcasm.

GROUP HUG WITH THE SOCCER WATCHING KOOL KIDS

That One Guy
06-15-2010, 10:59 PM
Lol you guys! I've known what offsides is for about 15 years. Bad sarcasm.

GROUP HUG WITH THE SOCCER WATCHING KOOL KIDS

So not only did I not get to be first but I was the second guy talking to myself? I'm totally deleting my post...

Dagmar
06-15-2010, 11:00 PM
So not only did I not get to be first but I was the second guy talking to myself? I'm totally deleting my post...

I'm keeping mine, it has a picture.

Lomax
06-15-2010, 11:16 PM
If it avoids the commercialization that has taken over the NBA and NFL, I'm ok with that.

I loved hearing honesty in the commentary today. I love that they haven't found a way to sneak in TV timeouts and milk every available second for advertising. They don't even do any advertising that I saw beyond a couple quick commercials at halftime and the on field banners. I loved that.

I'm really ok with soccer, now that you mention it.

I don't see what my suggestions had to do with commercialization.

I also don't see how the sport is enhanced by not having commercial breaks, or how the NFL is harmed by it. In soccer, it's not like every single second of action (or non-action) is vital to the outcome, where you go, "geez...I hate that they cut away for 20 seconds, i didn't get to see them advance the ball to midfield...". And exactly what are you missing during an NFL time-out that you are so put off by an advertisement?

If that's the price of admission, I'd gladly pay it over, say, a Pay-Per-View format where I have to drop $10 to watch a game with no commercial breaks.

chadta
06-16-2010, 06:14 AM
I LOVE the sport and have been bored by a bunch of these games.

this says it all

when somebody who loves the sport is bored by games with all teams except the best 16 teams in the world, its a problem.

DHallblows
06-16-2010, 08:35 AM
this says it all

when somebody who loves the sport is bored by games with all teams except the best 16 teams in the world, its a problem.

I'd be pretty ****ing bored watching the Browns/Lions, Nets/Timberwolves or Indians/Diamondbacks, too.

Have any real points to make?

Dagmar
06-16-2010, 08:35 AM
this says it all

when somebody who loves the sport is bored by games with all teams except the best 16 teams in the world, its a problem.

No, it doesn't. It says at the start of every WC most teams are more evenly matched than usual and know that if they lose their 1st game, something they have been building up to for 4 years almost goes away immediately.

Wouldn't expect someone who has spent quite a while on this thread trying to convince people not to like a sport they love to understand that though since they are so obviously insecure and quite ill informed.

That One Guy
06-16-2010, 08:49 AM
I don't see what my suggestions had to do with commercialization.

I also don't see how the sport is enhanced by not having commercial breaks, or how the NFL is harmed by it. In soccer, it's not like every single second of action (or non-action) is vital to the outcome, where you go, "geez...I hate that they cut away for 20 seconds, i didn't get to see them advance the ball to midfield...". And exactly what are you missing during an NFL time-out that you are so put off by an advertisement?

If that's the price of admission, I'd gladly pay it over, say, a Pay-Per-View format where I have to drop $10 to watch a game with no commercial breaks.

It's the fact that football games keep getting longer and longer (up to almost 4 hours to watch 60 minutes of football) and quite often you could forget that you're watching a football game. There's advertisements, previews of upcoming sitcoms etc. How often over the last few years has the MNF crew spent more time talking to celebrities and advertising new shows than actually providing good football commentary? I'd say every Monday night during football season. These games have provided solid, honest commentary with a focus on soccer. There is no drama, no heartfelt Brett Favre-esque stories taking position over the game happening. Anyone remember not seeing the MNF games as we talked to Favre's wife about breast cancer and the struggles of his life?

As long as it's not Americanized and catered to the mainstream, maybe the broadcasts will continue to center around soccer. With a larger crowd comes more potential to make money and it gets ruined then.