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tsiguy96
06-12-2010, 11:08 AM
hes going ahead of quinn in stuff like 11 on 11s now, doesnt necessary mean he moved up for good, but just worth mentioning i guess.

Denver_Broncos

Tim Tebow goes second in the rotation in first 11-on-11 drill. #fb

Los Broncos
06-12-2010, 11:11 AM
I hope we get updates on how he does in the 11 v 11 drills.

Drek
06-12-2010, 11:14 AM
hes going ahead of quinn in stuff like 11 on 11s now, doesnt necessary mean he moved up for good, but just worth mentioning i guess.

Denver_Broncos

Tim Tebow goes second in the rotation in first 11-on-11 drill. #fb

Not worth mentioning, since just yesterday McDaniels said that the three QBs will alternate order throughout camp.

jmccliment
06-12-2010, 11:48 AM
They also just tweeted/posted that Quinn went second in the next set of 11-on-11s.

Los Broncos
06-12-2010, 11:54 AM
Moreno made a few moves after catching a pass out of the backfield to beat a defender, then ran up to Josh McDaniels for a high five.

Rabb
06-12-2010, 04:26 PM
you need to work on your thread titles, seriously

tsiguy96
06-12-2010, 07:09 PM
no, i dont. i posted it as a question because it was worth questioning, you are the only one crying.

broncosteven
06-12-2010, 07:28 PM
no, i dont. i posted it as a question because it was worth questioning, you are the only one crying.

To answer your question:


NO


BTW your thread and it's title sucks

Rabb
06-12-2010, 07:38 PM
no, i dont. i posted it as a question because it was worth questioning, you are the only one crying.

Correction I'm the only one that said what I thought

my God you are an immature douche sometimes

Jesterhole
06-12-2010, 07:54 PM
Moreno made a few moves after catching a pass out of the backfield to beat a defender, then ran up to Josh McDaniels for a high five.

Dude always looks good when there is no contact. It's when people try to tackle him that he sucks.

Drek
06-12-2010, 08:30 PM
no, i dont. i posted it as a question because it was worth questioning, you are the only one crying.

It isn't worth questioning when they guy who runs the team said this would happen just yesterday, and that it would apply to all three QBs rotating through with no baring on the actual depth chart.

I mean what part of "all three will take snaps with every unit" is so hard to understand? Is Tebow 1st string when he takes snaps with the first stringers for one or two snaps a day?

Drek
06-12-2010, 08:40 PM
Dude always looks good when there is no contact. It's when people try to tackle him that he sucks.

Yep. You can really see that in this video here:

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Oh, and this one too:

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hambone13
06-12-2010, 08:44 PM
It isn't worth questioning when they guy who runs the team said this would happen just yesterday, and that it would apply to all three QBs rotating through with no baring on the actual depth chart.

I mean what part of "all three will take snaps with every unit" is so hard to understand? Is Tebow 1st string when he takes snaps with the first stringers for one or two snaps a day?

I find it interesting how important it has historically been for the "intended" starter to get as many snaps as possible in the off season as to develop the "don't think about it, just do the right thing" muscle memory that is required for a successful NFL QB to play at a high level all year. I feel that Orton is our best option to win more games this year but some times I wonder whether we should just admit to rebuilding and get Tebow his reps. He's big, he's tough, he's mobile, he'll be in the film room like a saint and would benefit greatly from the live game time in the film room. Given his natural tendencies towards dedication to improvement, let the test go live sooner rather than later. I know there's all sorts of logical arguments to the contrary but seriously, south paw and all...let's get the project started since it's inevitable anyway.

Br0nc0Buster
06-12-2010, 08:54 PM
Dude always looks good when there is no contact. It's when people try to tackle him that he sucks.

actually he was one of the top guys in the league as far as broken tackles are concerned

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/peter_king/05/02/offseason/2.html

what were you saying about him sucking when trying to be tackled?

baja
06-12-2010, 09:07 PM
I find it interesting how important it has historically been for the "intended" starter to get as many snaps as possible in the off season as to develop the "don't think about it, just do the right thing" muscle memory that is required for a successful NFL QB to play at a high level all year. I feel that Orton is our best option to win more games this year but some times I wonder whether we should just admit to rebuilding and get Tebow his reps. He's big, he's tough, he's mobile, he'll be in the film room like a saint and would benefit greatly from the live game time in the film room. Given his natural tendencies towards dedication to improvement, let the test go live sooner rather than later. I know there's all sorts of logical arguments to the contrary but seriously, south paw and all...let's get the project started since it's inevitable anyway.

Just because the FO and McD is being politically correct does not mean the transition has not begun.

Drek
06-12-2010, 09:21 PM
I find it interesting how important it has historically been for the "intended" starter to get as many snaps as possible in the off season as to develop the "don't think about it, just do the right thing" muscle memory that is required for a successful NFL QB to play at a high level all year. I feel that Orton is our best option to win more games this year but some times I wonder whether we should just admit to rebuilding and get Tebow his reps. He's big, he's tough, he's mobile, he'll be in the film room like a saint and would benefit greatly from the live game time in the film room. Given his natural tendencies towards dedication to improvement, let the test go live sooner rather than later. I know there's all sorts of logical arguments to the contrary but seriously, south paw and all...let's get the project started since it's inevitable anyway.

That might not be a bad theory if its all about Tebow's development (though really, 150 throws on the side with Ben McDaniels will do more to fix his mechanics than 30 throws with the first team). But if Tebow struggles early on in camp and pre-season we're also hindering the development of the young WRs, OL, etc..

Orton is a solid, above average starter type QB. He provides the steady rock upon which to let the other guys learn and work in the system. Meanwhile the mechanical and mental issues for Tebow can be ironed out. When the switch truly happens Tebow isn't in a trial by fire with other raw players all around him, and if he flourishes their jobs suddenly get a whole lot easier.

Its almost definitely going to be Orton to start the year with Tebow seeing the field in select packages. Then when the inevitable ankle injury puts Orton on the shelf Quinn will get a shot with a few extra weeks under his belt of watching this offense in live action from the sidelines, with Tebow still getting his touches in a specialized role. By the end of 2010, assuming Orton has his now annual ankle issue, we'll know what we have in all three QBs to at least some degree.

Dedhed
06-12-2010, 10:24 PM
I find it interesting how important it has historically been for the "intended" starter to get as many snaps as possible in the off season as to develop the "don't think about it, just do the right thing" muscle memory that is required for a successful NFL QB to play at a high level all year. I feel that Orton is our best option to win more games this year but some times I wonder whether we should just admit to rebuilding and get Tebow his reps. He's big, he's tough, he's mobile, he'll be in the film room like a saint and would benefit greatly from the live game time in the film room. Given his natural tendencies towards dedication to improvement, let the test go live sooner rather than later. I know there's all sorts of logical arguments to the contrary but seriously, south paw and all...let's get the project started since it's inevitable anyway.I think there's something to be said for admitting to rebuilding and just going with Tebow, but the Broncos were in such a playoff drought under Shanahan that there is considerable pressure from the fan base to get back to the post-season.

Add in the media pressure that's looming over McDaniels, and Bowlen will be inundated with hate mail if the Broncos throw Tebow to the wolves and go 6-10. I also think dumping Orton at this point would alienate McDaniels from a lot of the locker room ala Bubby Brister. You could argue that Shanahan never regained full control of things after that point.

I think even with Orton starting the whole season, we're going to see more of Tebow than most people expect. McDaniels is going to push to get Tebow as much experience as possible while giving this team the best chance to win now.

Los Broncos
06-12-2010, 10:42 PM
Dude always looks good when there is no contact. It's when people try to tackle him that he sucks.

After Harris went down is seems our line dropped off, they were getting pushed around.

He doesn't have great speed but breaking tackles isn't an issue with him.

hambone13
06-13-2010, 02:24 AM
I think there's something to be said for admitting to rebuilding and just going with Tebow, but the Broncos were in such a playoff drought under Shanahan that there is considerable pressure from the fan base to get back to the post-season.

Add in the media pressure that's looming over McDaniels, and Bowlen will be inundated with hate mail if the Broncos throw Tebow to the wolves and go 6-10. I also think dumping Orton at this point would alienate McDaniels from a lot of the locker room ala Bubby Brister. You could argue that Shanahan never regained full control of things after that point.

I think even with Orton starting the whole season, we're going to see more of Tebow than most people expect. McDaniels is going to push to get Tebow as much experience as possible while giving this team the best chance to win now.

I don't disagree in general with what you've said. The bottom line to me is **** it, you've headed in this direction, go on faith, give it a shot. We're shoot'n craps as it is. I don't see Orton as the answer. He's a glass in a house of crystal. Let's stick with the future. Devise schemes around tebows strengths and weaknesses and let him roll. The earlier the better if we're already headed down that road.

Cito Pelon
06-13-2010, 10:00 AM
That might not be a bad theory if its all about Tebow's development (though really, 150 throws on the side with Ben McDaniels will do more to fix his mechanics than 30 throws with the first team). But if Tebow struggles early on in camp and pre-season we're also hindering the development of the young WRs, OL, etc..

Orton is a solid, above average starter type QB. He provides the steady rock upon which to let the other guys learn and work in the system. Meanwhile the mechanical and mental issues for Tebow can be ironed out. When the switch truly happens Tebow isn't in a trial by fire with other raw players all around him, and if he flourishes their jobs suddenly get a whole lot easier.

Its almost definitely going to be Orton to start the year with Tebow seeing the field in select packages. Then when the inevitable ankle injury puts Orton on the shelf Quinn will get a shot with a few extra weeks under his belt of watching this offense in live action from the sidelines, with Tebow still getting his touches in a specialized role. By the end of 2010, assuming Orton has his now annual ankle issue, we'll know what we have in all three QBs to at least some degree.

That is what I'm thinking also.

Brady Quinn was on the radio a week or so ago, and he was asked what would be the key to who starts at QB. The first word out of his mouth was "Leadership". Quinn provided a good interview, didn't dispute he was far behind Orton, flat out refused to answer someone asking him "Do you think you'll start?" Alfred Williams jumped in real quick and said, "Let me rephrase that question and ask, what do you think you have to do to win the starting job?"

Quinn said again, "I have to prove I'm the guy that is the best leader."

And that is why Orton is head and shoulders above both Quinn and Tebow, he's already proven he can lead the team, he has the support of the vets and the staff. There's no question about it, Orton has the leadership role locked up.

Broncoman13
06-13-2010, 12:41 PM
Anybody notice how many of Knowshon's nice runs had Spencer Larsen in there helping to get him started? Not all of them, but I think getting Larsen back in at FB will help. Same with getting some more solid production from our Center and LG. Last but not least, when Ryan Harris went down our season went to shiat! That guy stays healthy and our OLine is much better. Harris really is key as we (and most teams in the NFL) like to run right. Moreno really is a good player, I expect a very good season from him. 1200+ yards rushing, another 250-300 receiving and 12-15 total TDs. The only thing that will slow his TD production is Tebow's production on the goalline, and possibly the staff using Bay Bay's size in the endzone... Either way, I think Moreno shows up big for us this year!

OABB
06-13-2010, 12:51 PM
I get the "hole" part, but why "Jester"? doesn't jester imply comedic ability?

maybe "stretchedout" or "destroyed" or even "loose" would be more suitable? Just throwing it out there. the advice is free.

Cito Pelon
06-13-2010, 12:59 PM
Anybody notice how many of Knowshon's nice runs had Spencer Larsen in there helping to get him started? Not all of them, but I think getting Larsen back in at FB will help. Same with getting some more solid production from our Center and LG. Last but not least, when Ryan Harris went down our season went to shiat! That guy stays healthy and our OLine is much better. Harris really is key as we (and most teams in the NFL) like to run right. Moreno really is a good player, I expect a very good season from him. 1200+ yards rushing, another 250-300 receiving and 12-15 total TDs. The only thing that will slow his TD production is Tebow's production on the goalline, and possibly the staff using Bay Bay's size in the endzone... Either way, I think Moreno shows up big for us this year!

That's a good point. They tried to plug Hillis in, but he usually led the wrong way.

hambone13
06-14-2010, 08:48 PM
That might not be a bad theory if its all about Tebow's development (though really, 150 throws on the side with Ben McDaniels will do more to fix his mechanics than 30 throws with the first team). But if Tebow struggles early on in camp and pre-season we're also hindering the development of the young WRs, OL, etc..

Orton is a solid, above average starter type QB. He provides the steady rock upon which to let the other guys learn and work in the system. Meanwhile the mechanical and mental issues for Tebow can be ironed out. When the switch truly happens Tebow isn't in a trial by fire with other raw players all around him, and if he flourishes their jobs suddenly get a whole lot easier.

Its almost definitely going to be Orton to start the year with Tebow seeing the field in select packages. Then when the inevitable ankle injury puts Orton on the shelf Quinn will get a shot with a few extra weeks under his belt of watching this offense in live action from the sidelines, with Tebow still getting his touches in a specialized role. By the end of 2010, assuming Orton has his now annual ankle issue, we'll know what we have in all three QBs to at least some degree.

I like your take on the team development, there is a ton of logic there, however, it's not just the throws on the side lines w/ Ben, it's the practicing with the first squad and developing chemistry. Given what Tebow's physical strengths are it seems to me the system, focus on play calling and team dynamic will be different any way. How do you not change the system for a guy that can run like he can? I also understand the challenges of team dynamic and potential for losing the locker room but with the caliber of character is here, we shouldn't have issues like Shanny did.