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titan
06-03-2010, 01:51 PM
This report is out:

Exclusive: Pac-10 set to invite six from Big 12

Chip Brown
Rivals.com College Football Columnist

The Big 12 meetings are reaching their climax Thursday and Friday in Kansas City with the presidents and chancellors from the league coming together to discuss pressing issues, including sites for championships. (Look for the Big 12 title game in football to stay at Cowboys Stadium for the next three years.)

But when it comes to possible realignment, the Big 12 meetings may be premature.

Why?

Because it appears the Pac-10, which has its meetings in San Francisco starting this weekend, is prepared to make a bold move and invite Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Colorado to join its league, according to multiple sources close to the situation.

read the rest here:

http://collegefootball.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1090747

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Not sure if this would be a good move for Colorado. It would be tough to compete in a division with Oklahoma and Texas along with some other solid schools. Is it better to be a small fish in a big pond, or move to the MWC to be a big fish?

bronco militia
06-03-2010, 01:54 PM
the voice of the buffs (name?) this morning on 850 koa reported that Utah has a deal already in place wit the Pac 10 and that they are waiting for Boise state to announce their move to the Mountain West. This will start a domino effect sending Nebraska and Missouri to the Big 10 and then finally CU will probably go to the PAC-10.

theAPAOps5
06-03-2010, 01:57 PM
The PAC 10 will invite those 6 but I bet they are expecting only to land maybe one or two of those. Kind of like spreading a wide net to catch a few choice fish.

Anaximines
06-03-2010, 01:59 PM
That would be crazy if the Big 10 took 6 Big 12 schools....... are they trying to make a super-conference to somehow respond to the cries for a playoff system? WTF would the Big 12 do with 6 (not that great) schools?!

Man-Goblin
06-03-2010, 02:02 PM
That's a huge conference. 2 divisions doesn't make sense in football because the East would never play the West until the title game. And a conference that size still only gets one automatic BCS bid, right? So what advantage is there? Would the money brought in to the conference from more lower tier bowls make up for that?

gyldenlove
06-03-2010, 02:15 PM
That's a huge conference. 2 divisions doesn't make sense in football because the East would never play the West until the title game. And a conference that size still only gets one automatic BCS bid, right? So what advantage is there? Would the money brought in to the conference from more lower tier bowls make up for that?

Unless they have a deal for 2 BCS bids, it doesn't make much sense for the top big 12 schools to move right now, they already have the BCS bid.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-03-2010, 02:27 PM
Not sure if this would be a good move for Colorado. It would be tough to compete in a division with Oklahoma and Texas along with some other solid schools. Is it better to be a small fish in a big pond, or move to the MWC to be a big fish?

There are more CU alums in Pac 10 states than there are in Big XII states, the Pac 10 is a much better fit for CU than the Big XII is.

bronco militia
06-03-2010, 02:41 PM
Boise State could become newest member of Mountain West

http://www.denverpost.com/colleges/ci_15207026

ColoradoBuff
06-03-2010, 02:43 PM
the voice of the buffs (name?) this morning on 850 koa reported that Utah has a deal already in place wit the Pac 10 and that they are waiting for Boise state to announce their move to the Mountain West. This will start a domino effect sending Nebraska and Missouri to the Big 10 and then finally CU will probably go to the PAC-10.

i agree.....no way all of those teams accept the Pac 10's invite!

Irish Stout
06-03-2010, 02:45 PM
Whats really interesting about this is that the CU AD has been saying for the past week and a half that they're committed to the Big 12. Well, I guess we'll see how committed they really are.

hookemhess
06-03-2010, 02:50 PM
I wonder if the whole nation will ride our nuts like USC when we run through all the terrible squads in the Pac-10.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-03-2010, 02:55 PM
Whats really interesting about this is that the CU AD has been saying for the past week and a half that they're committed to the Big 12. Well, I guess we'll see how committed they really are.

What else are they going to say publically until there's a formal invitation?

Didn't you tell all of us yesterday that this has been dead for months?

Doggcow
06-03-2010, 03:00 PM
I'd like to bring in a couple more to the PAC10.

I would assume the conference would be more of a North and South though, due to how the rivalries are already built.

epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2010, 03:19 PM
Pac 10 is garbage.

I'm not sure why the Big 12 powerhouses would want to join that league. Travel would suck.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
06-03-2010, 03:34 PM
academically, CU aligns more closely with the Pac 10, but I'm not sure how much sense it makes to invite all those Texas schools as well.

I understood it that Utah and CU were the two big fish, giving the Pac 12 schools instead of 10, allowing them to have a championship game (huge $$$) and an auto BCS bid.

/shrug

Frankly, I'd much rather travel up to Seattle and LA for CU games than I would to Lubbock and Norman.

Raidersbane
06-03-2010, 03:54 PM
I miss the Big Eight. Screw the Big 12....besides CU needs some kind of change to get back on track after shooting itself in the ass.

Malcontent
06-03-2010, 04:58 PM
I wonder if the whole nation will ride our nuts like USC when we run through all the terrible squads in the Pac-10.

ASU trounced CU a couple yrs back.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-03-2010, 05:24 PM
http://www.buffzone.com/ci_15222068

CU AD Mike Bohn says that they've been led to believe the Pac 10 will invite 6 Big XII teams to join the conference

hookemhess
06-03-2010, 05:29 PM
ASU trounced CU a couple yrs back.

And we trounced ASU my senior year in the Holiday Bowl. Guess you can't tell from the name/avatar/sig.....

http://www.behindtheboxscore.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/08/vince-young.bmp

Houshyamama
06-03-2010, 05:34 PM
Pac 10 is garbage.

I'm not sure why the Big 12 powerhouses would want to join that league. Travel would suck.

LOL k

thanks for the laugh

sixtimeseight
06-03-2010, 05:50 PM
ASU trounced CU a couple yrs back.

How ****ing stupid are you that you couldn't figure out what school he was a fan of? Let me guess, you're an ASU grad.

I really don't care that CU's ****ty football team lost to ASU, I'd much rather have an education from a school that doesn't accept 90% of its applicants.

bombay
06-03-2010, 06:13 PM
Love it. The Buffs will get more than twice the TV revenue they currently get.

Roadies to LA, SF, Phoenix, Seattle, etc. will beat the hell out of Ames, Manhattan, Lincoln, Columbia, et al.

epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2010, 06:23 PM
LOL k

thanks for the laugh

The mid-level Big 12 teams would challenge for that title every year.

McDman
06-03-2010, 06:41 PM
If Texas and A&M go anywhere it will be the SEC. They just don't fit in with pac-10 schools.

Dukes
06-03-2010, 06:55 PM
Pac 10 is garbage.

I'm not sure why the Big 12 powerhouses would want to join that league. Travel would suck.

There's no power in CU's house. They belong in the WAC or MWC

Crushaholic
06-03-2010, 06:56 PM
The Big XII is the PREMIERE football conference in the nation. It wouldn't make sense for these teams to go to a watered-down super conference...

bombay
06-03-2010, 07:05 PM
If Texas and A&M go anywhere it will be the SEC. They just don't fit in with pac-10 schools.

Hope so. I'd much rather see Utah as one of the 6 teams.

KipCorrington25
06-03-2010, 07:33 PM
They will go because it's about $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$ California and Texas the two largest states in the nation joined together will be a HUGE TV package.

The 6 Big XII schools and Arizona and ASU will be one divison, that's 7 games a year there and then only 2 or 3 against the other traditional Pac 10 schools so it's not that much of an outrageous change it's just about the HUGE TV contract.

It's a done deal so get used to it.

And CU has to go otherwise they are in the Moutain West earning 10% in TV revenue of what they will in this super conference.

Doggcow
06-03-2010, 07:33 PM
The Big XII is the PREMIERE football conference in the nation. It wouldn't make sense for these teams to go to a watered-down super conference...

Wrong.

McDman
06-03-2010, 08:07 PM
The Big XII is the PREMIERE football conference in the nation. It wouldn't make sense for these teams to go to a watered-down super conference...

The SEC is far and away the best league in the nation. I don't even think there is one close.

DomCasual
06-03-2010, 08:25 PM
How ****ing stupid are you that you couldn't figure out what school he was a fan of? Let me guess, you're an ASU grad.

I really don't care that CU's ****ty football team lost to ASU, I'd much rather have an education from a school that doesn't accept 90% of its applicants.

You are consistent with your douchebaggery - I'll give you that.

Natedog24
06-03-2010, 08:37 PM
The Big XII is the PREMIERE football conference in the nation. It wouldn't make sense for these teams to go to a watered-down super conference...

LOLHilarious!:giggle::rofl:ROFL!Ha!

TheChamp24
06-03-2010, 08:39 PM
I don't see Texas and Oklahoma doing anything yet, but frankly I can see the Big 12 actually becoming defunct with other conferences raiding it. Missouri and Nebraska to the Big 10, and if the Pac 10 gets CU and say Texas Tech this year, the Big 12 is down to the Big 8, and probably more schools will look to leave.
I just don't like seeing 14,16 team conferences. Can cause too much trouble in scheduling, and a team that is decent can have a great year playing bottom teams in the league while say Texas/Oklahoma gets a couple losses playing a tougher schedule in the conference. It would be what, 4/5 years before you played a particular opponent at home again anyways?

Side note, while the Big 12 conference is a freakin good conference, the SEC is above them right now. Big 12 is #2 though, so they have that going for them.

bombay
06-03-2010, 08:57 PM
Couldn't care less about the SEC or what happens to Texas teams other than, well, Texas. I do like the idea of Colorado getting roughly 2.5 times the TV money they're currently receiving.

CU, UW, Oklahoma, Texas and USC have all won the national championship in the last 20 years. Any other conference with that claim?

epicSocialism4tw
06-03-2010, 09:31 PM
Couldn't care less about the SEC or what happens to Texas teams other than, well, Texas. I do like the idea of Colorado getting roughly 2.5 times the TV money they're currently receiving.

CU, UW, Oklahoma, Texas and USC have all won the national championship in the last 20 years. Any other conference with that claim?

Oklahoma and Texas are clearly bell cows and would be in any conference including the SEC.

Oklahoma is arguably the best college football program in history. People usually talk about OU and Notre Dame as having the most prestige.

Texas isnt too far behind.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-03-2010, 09:50 PM
I don't see Texas and Oklahoma doing anything yet, but frankly I can see the Big 12 actually becoming defunct with other conferences raiding it. Missouri and Nebraska to the Big 10, and if the Pac 10 gets CU and say Texas Tech this year, the Big 12 is down to the Big 8, and probably more schools will look to leave.


Tech and Okie Lt are only receiving invites (if all 6 do get invited) for political purposes, which would to get UT and A&M, Tech has to go and Okie Lt would be needed to let OU go. Both of those schools are Tier 3 universities. They're not getting invited to join the Pac 10 on their own merits.

The schools the Pac 10 want would be UT, OU, A&M, and for as much disbelief it will bring some, CU.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-03-2010, 10:14 PM
and I still think it's only going to be 2 teams that go to the Pac 10, no matter how many get invites.

Kid A
06-03-2010, 10:49 PM
Oklahoma and Texas are clearly bell cows and would be in any conference including the SEC.

Oklahoma is arguably the best college football program in history. People usually talk about OU and Notre Dame as having the most prestige.

Texas isnt too far behind.

Most Wins All-Time: wins, percentage

Michigan - 877, 72%
Notre Dame - 837, 71%
Nebraska - 827, 70%
Ohio State - 819, 69%
Oklahoma - 791, 69%
Tennessee- 773, 69%
Alabama - 813, 69%
Penn State - 811, 64%

And if you only factor in the last 50 years Nebraska has the most wins. Factor in just the last 20 Miami and Florida are on top I believe. So really, nothing too clear cut (we haven't even mentioned the past decades main juggernaut, USC). Lots of teams kind of clumped up there in the top tier.

It will be interesting to see if those top 3 (Michigan, Notre Dame, Nebraska) can bounce back from a poor decade much like OU and Alabama rebounded from long periods of mediocrity.

Kid A
06-03-2010, 10:52 PM
The SEC is far and away the best league in the nation. I don't even think there is one close.

Completely agree. Big 10 could go super-conference and add Nebraska, Mizzou, Notre Dame, and maybe a Pitt or decent Big East school and they still will be way behind . Maybe not in terms of marketable names (Nebraska and Notre Dame will put butts in front of TVs even when they suck), but the talent in the SEC is still a couple steps ahead.

TheChamp24
06-03-2010, 11:11 PM
Most Wins All-Time: wins, percentage

Michigan - 877, 72%
Notre Dame - 837, 71%
Nebraska - 827, 70%
Ohio State - 819, 69%
Oklahoma - 791, 69%
Tennessee- 773, 69%
Alabama - 813, 69%
Penn State - 811, 64%

And if you only factor in the last 50 years Nebraska has the most wins. Factor in just the last 20 Miami and Florida are on top I believe. So really, nothing too clear cut (we haven't even mentioned the past decades main juggernaut, USC). Lots of teams kind of clumped up there in the top tier.

It will be interesting to see if those top 3 (Michigan, Notre Dame, Nebraska) can bounce back from a poor decade much like OU and Alabama rebounded from long periods of mediocrity.

Well, yes that is what all-time records are, but I'm almost positive since the official "national championship era"(circa 1936 on) OU is ranked #1 in pretty much everything, ie wins, win %, #1 in weeks ranked #1, #1 in weeks ranked in the top 5.
Only downside is OU is sort of like the Buffalo Bills/Minnesota Vikings. They can get to the big game and have great teams, but most of the time they end up choking and losing.

Bronco Boy
06-03-2010, 11:13 PM
Why would the PAC 10 want to add a team on the decline? CU is bound for either the WAC or the Sun Belt at this point.

Steve Sewell
06-03-2010, 11:23 PM
Tech and Okie Lt are only receiving invites (if all 6 do get invited) for political purposes, which would to get UT and A&M, Tech has to go and Okie Lt would be needed to let OU go. Both of those schools are Tier 3 universities. They're not getting invited to join the Pac 10 on their own merits.

The schools the Pac 10 want would be UT, OU, A&M, and for as much disbelief it will bring some, CU.

Totally agreed. CU has a very good overall football history, and academically aligns very well with other Pac 10 schools. The nutjob academia at CU would absolutely jizz their pants at a chance of being a Pac-10 school as well. Win-win for everyone.

Jens1893
06-03-2010, 11:35 PM
Completely agree. Big 10 could go super-conference and add Nebraska, Mizzou, Notre Dame, and maybe a Pitt or decent Big East school and they still will be way behind . Maybe not in terms of marketable names (Nebraska and Notre Dame will put butts in front of TVs even when they suck), but the talent in the SEC is still a couple steps ahead.

What are your thoughts on the Big 12 breaking up and Nebraska possibly going to the Big XI?

24champ
06-03-2010, 11:52 PM
Folks saying, "why in the world would the Pac-10 add more schools?" or "why schools from the Big 12 would go to the Pac-10?" There's a very simple answer for this...and it's called money. Pac-10 will be negotiating for a new TV deal soon and most likely going to have their own network called the Pac-10/16 network, very similar to the Big Ten Network.

Also recall making a thread about Boise State going to the Mountain West...that may be on hold and the MWC will be watching with what happens with the impending doom of the Big 12 which by the way is a poorly run conference with regards to money management. These rumors have been around for awhile about the Big 12 being disbanded and done. I never really bought into it...since it would completely change the CFB landscape but there's a lot of smoke with the Big12 being raided talk.

broncocalijohn
06-04-2010, 12:05 AM
Pac 10 is garbage.

I'm not sure why the Big 12 powerhouses would want to join that league. Travel would suck.

Stick with soccer numbbrains.

Here is the BCS rankings of last seasons football which was down for Pac 10 play..
BCS Rankings (FINAL)
7. Oregon
18. Oregon State
20. Arizona
21. Stanford
24. USC


And for your crappy sport, soccer...

NSCAA/adidas (FINAL)
5. UCLA
14. Stanford

And for the ladies of drama sport soccer....

NSCAA/adidas (Final)
2. Stanford
3. UCLA
18. Washington State
21. Oregon State
24. USC

Baseball:
2. Arizona State
8. UCLA
24. Washington State


Collegiate Baseball (May 31)
1. Arizona State
9. UCLA
23. Washington State
28. Stanford
29. California

Softball:
USA Today/NFCA (April 6)
1. Washington
3. Arizona
5. UCLA
8. Stanford
9. Arizona State
13. California

Volleyball:

Sports Imports/AVCA Season Poll (FINAL)
7. Stanford
8. California
13. Washington
11. California
14. UCLA
16. USC
18. Oregon

Women's water polo championships? Why it was Stanford #1 vs USC #2.
Men's Water polo championships? It was again 2 Pac 10 schools USC victorious over UCLA.

Before you talk out of your ass (again), know the facts. There was talk before the 10 expanded to 12 that Colorado was a possibility to go to the Pac 10.

DBroncos4life
06-04-2010, 12:07 AM
I so hope that NU gets out of this sinking ship and fast.

Florida_Bronco
06-04-2010, 12:17 AM
I so hope that NU gets out of this sinking ship and fast.

Me too man.

Kid A
06-04-2010, 12:22 AM
What are your thoughts on the Big 12 breaking up and Nebraska possibly going to the Big XI?

Going to the Big 10 is feeling more and more like an obvious move. I have some slight qualms (loss of some rivalries, different recruiting landscape to adjust to, further travel for road games for lots of fans, not playing in a ****ty division that gives a shot at the title game every year). The positives, though, are too big to ignore:

-Stability. Big XII looks doomed, if not now, in the near future. Big 10 (or whatever it becomes) is getting stronger.

-Money. Just off the bat I think we would get upwards of $11 million more from the new TV deals. Something like that.

-National exposure. This kind of move will bring more attention, and the Big 10 network is spreading all over. If it means a subscription to the Big X network insures Nebraska fans can watch all the non-con games (many of which are pay-per-view right now) I know most will drop money on that in a heart beat.

-Out from under Texas. Paranoia, jealousy, or whatever you want to call it, Tom Osbourne has never been fond of the power Texas has gotten in the Big XII (often being the lone dissenter various conference votes), and I know many Nebraska fans share that opinion. After decades of NU/OU leadership, the title game, conference offices, and bulk of the money go to Austin.

-A new (legitimate?) rivalry with Iowa. CU, in my opinion, was actually a good idea for a rivalry and had some great moments. Never got enough acceptance on the NU side, though, to be what you could call an inseparable rivalry (like Ohio State-Michigan, Texas-Texas A&M) where the teams would never think of going seperate ways. And reeally all our other conference rivals had a bigger rivalry somewhere else (OU has Texas, Missouri had KU, etc.). I think Iowa and Nebraska could quickly develop into a natural rivalry, given proximity and Iowa's current biggest rival being ISU who are never any good.

So, I'm on board if it happens. I think the athletic department is too. They have little fondness for the Big XII years, and would gladly throw their lot in with a historically and academically prestigious group of teams like the Big X. I'd miss K-State and Colorado games every year, but I can get used to the idea of making trips to the Horseshoe or Big House. Even if it means a couple more losses here and there.

DBroncos4life
06-04-2010, 12:23 AM
Me too man.

We are in the top three most profitable college teams without a major TV deal. The B12 wants to focus on the South then we will give them a real reason to focus on the South. All while giving us more money to compete against the bigger schools. Other then games with OU and KU I wouldn't miss a thing about the B12. They ****ed up the OU/NU game anyways so what is the point.

Kid A
06-04-2010, 12:29 AM
If this falls apart the directions it looks like it will, my big question marks are for KU (and I guess K-State). OU and Texas shouldn't have problems finding a home in the Pac-10 or SEC if they need one. A&M follows the Horns. Nobody really cares about TT, Baylor, or Iowa State.

But KU? No talk of them to the Big 10. Make little sense in Pac-10 or SEC. Yet they have a top 3 basketball program that you would think people would jump on. Really curious how this plays out for them.

Crushaholic
06-04-2010, 12:30 AM
The SEC is far and away the best league in the nation. I don't even think there is one close.

The SEC has won more national championship games, but the Big XII has always been in the national title hunt.

In the last 12 years since the inception of the BCS National Championship Game, Big XII teams have been in 7 of those games. They are always seemingly in the hunt for the national championship.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11238651


Plus, I think they are stronger than the SEC from top to bottom. I will concede that the SEC easily belongs in this discussion of the strongest conference. To say that they are "far and away the best league in the nation" is not accurate.

24champ
06-04-2010, 12:34 AM
We are in the top three most profitable college teams without a major TV deal. The B12 wants to focus on the South then we will give them a real reason to focus on the South. All while giving us more money to compete against the bigger schools. Other then games with OU and KU I wouldn't miss a thing about the B12. They ****ed up the OU/NU game anyways so what is the point.

I think you hit on something that I have believed is going on with these rumors flying around about the Big12 being disbanded. I think it is a power play by the schools to ultimately make and force the Big12 decide to either fix the revenue distribution problems or they are going to find a new conference that treats them fairly/equally.

24champ
06-04-2010, 12:37 AM
The SEC has won more national championship games, but the Big XII has always been in the national title hunt.

In the last 12 years since the inception of the BCS National Championship Game, Big XII teams have been in 7 of those games. They are always seemingly in the hunt for the national championship.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11238651


Plus, I think they are stronger than the SEC from top to bottom. I will concede that the SEC easily belongs in this discussion of the strongest conference. To say that they are "far and away the best league in the nation" is not accurate.

Big12 has been stomped on during the last couple title games by the SEC.

Master___Pain
06-04-2010, 08:09 AM
The SEC has won more national championship games, but the Big XII has always been in the national title hunt.

In the last 12 years since the inception of the BCS National Championship Game, Big XII teams have been in 7 of those games. They are always seemingly in the hunt for the national championship.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11238651


Plus, I think they are stronger than the SEC from top to bottom. I will concede that the SEC easily belongs in this discussion of the strongest conference. To say that they are "far and away the best league in the nation" is not accurate.

Today, the best conference in the nation is the SEC 10 years ago I would have said the B12 was, hands down.

ColoradoBuff
06-04-2010, 08:14 AM
and I still think it's only going to be 2 teams that go to the Pac 10, no matter how many get invites.

I agree...the rest were fringe invites to say the least!

bombay
06-04-2010, 08:41 AM
I would guess that the PAC offered A$M and Tech to make it more palatable for
Texas, but would be delighted if either or both went another direction so they could offer Utah and/or Kansas.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-04-2010, 09:27 AM
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2010/06/03/e-mails-hint-big-ten-expansion-eyes-on-texas.html?sid=101

Columbus Dispatch got some e-mails from OSU President Gordon Gee (would still be nice if he was CU's President) where he said he'd discussed Big 10/11 expansion with Texas' President William Powers.

Gee makes mention that there might be a "Tech" problem with getting Texas into the Big 10/11.

Kid A
06-04-2010, 10:20 AM
http://www.dispatch.com/live/content/sports/stories/2010/06/03/e-mails-hint-big-ten-expansion-eyes-on-texas.html?sid=101

Columbus Dispatch got some e-mails from OSU President Gordon Gee (would still be nice if he was CU's President) where he said he'd discussed Big 10/11 expansion with Texas' President William Powers.

Gee makes mention that there might be a "Tech" problem with getting Texas into the Big 10/11.

It does sound like Texas is a major target for them (Delaney indicated a couple weeks back that they see the sun belt regions as a growing population area to get the Big 10 network into). Curious to see how interested Texas will be. Not sure how a largely southern alumni base would respond to have 4 games a year played way up north.

Master___Pain
06-04-2010, 10:30 AM
It does sound like Texas is a major target for them (Delaney indicated a couple weeks back that they see the sun belt regions as a growing population area to get the Big 10 network into). Curious to see how interested Texas will be. Not sure how a largely southern alumni base would respond to have 4 games a year played way up north.

Texas fan in Minnesota in November?:spit:

They think Boulder is cold.

Mountain Bronco
06-04-2010, 10:55 AM
The Big XII is the PREMIERE football conference in the nation. It wouldn't make sense for these teams to go to a watered-down super conference...

That is funny stuff.

SEC'd! :strong:

Jens1893
06-04-2010, 12:45 PM
ISU seems to be ****ting it.

http://www.amestrib.com/articles/2010/06/04/ames_tribune/sports/doc4c0951e944459305138917.txt

Dear Cyclone alumni, fans and friends of the University,

This week, we participated in the Big 12 Conference spring meetings in which a major topic of discussion was potential conference re-alignment. With the immense speculation and media attention given to this issue, we felt it was important for you to hear directly from us.

We believe the Big 12 Conference is the perfect fit for Iowa State University. We are committed to our membership in the Big 12, and we are optimistic that the conference will remain intact. However, we also recognize that the long-term viability of the Big 12 Conference is not in our control - it is in the hands of just a few of our fellow member institutions.

Iowa State and several other members of the Big 12 Conference are especially vulnerable under some of the re-alignment scenarios currently circulating, particularly one involving expansion of the Pac-10. We are doing everything in our power to represent the best interests of Iowa State in these discussions, but we also are sensitive to the huge uncertainty that has been created and recognize that the situation could evolve in directions that are not aligned with our interests.

We understand and share your concerns about Iowa State athletics and the Big 12 Conference. We are still optimistic that the Big 12 will remain intact and continue to be one of our nation's premier athletics conferences, but we must be ready to act if that does not prove to be the case. We will keep in touch as the situation unfolds, and we appreciate your understanding.

Go Cyclones!

Dr. Gregory Geoffroy

President

Jamie Pollard

Director of Athletics

McDman
06-04-2010, 02:52 PM
The SEC has won more national championship games, but the Big XII has always been in the national title hunt.

In the last 12 years since the inception of the BCS National Championship Game, Big XII teams have been in 7 of those games. They are always seemingly in the hunt for the national championship.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11238651


Plus, I think they are stronger than the SEC from top to bottom. I will concede that the SEC easily belongs in this discussion of the strongest conference. To say that they are "far and away the best league in the nation" is not accurate.


I actually think it is accurate. The SEC from top to bottom is always dangerous to play. If a team makes it out of conference play with only one loss it's an absolutely fantastic season and that team will be going to the national title game.

The big 12 is good, but I just don't think it can compete. Take any team from the big 12 and put them in the SEC and I'm willing to wager they have more losses than there big 12 schedule, I don't think you can say the same if you put an SEC team in the big 12.

TheChamp24
06-04-2010, 05:32 PM
I actually think it is accurate. The SEC from top to bottom is always dangerous to play. If a team makes it out of conference play with only one loss it's an absolutely fantastic season and that team will be going to the national title game.

The big 12 is good, but I just don't think it can compete. Take any team from the big 12 and put them in the SEC and I'm willing to wager they have more losses than there big 12 schedule, I don't think you can say the same if you put an SEC team in the big 12.

If you put any SEC team in the Big 12 South, I think they would have an as tough or tougher schedule. However, put them in the Big 12 North and you basically face 1 tough team in Nebraska, and their offense is iffy.
Both SEC divisions are solid though, although I do think the West is better than the East.

ZONA
06-04-2010, 06:50 PM
Pac 10 is garbage.

I'm not sure why the Big 12 powerhouses would want to join that league. Travel would suck.

You're an idiot. The PAC-10 is garbage why? Oh, because the school you went to (if you even went to one) isn't in the PAC-10?

bombay
06-04-2010, 08:44 PM
Five current PAC 10 teams have won national basketball championships. Fifteen total. More teams than any other conference, and more championships than any other conference. If indeed the six Big XII teams merge with the PAC, five national football champions from the past 20 years will be in the conference.

Garbage indeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men's_Division_I_Basketball_Championship

hookemhess
06-04-2010, 08:49 PM
You're an idiot. The PAC-10 is garbage why? Oh, because the school you went to (if you even went to one) isn't in the PAC-10?

Because the only defense worth a damn in the whole league is at SC (who gets the top talent from all the land and still manages to lose to Stanford).

Houshyamama
06-04-2010, 09:07 PM
Because the only defense worth a damn in the whole league is at SC (who gets the top talent from all the land and still manages to lose to Stanford).

Dude. You are a homer.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin.htm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/232365-2009-2010-college-football-conference-rankings
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=5214108

You can make the case that the Big 12 is stronger, but you can make just as valid a case that the PAC-10 is superior. All the PAC-10 hate in this thread is laughable.

DBroncos4life
06-04-2010, 09:19 PM
I think you hit on something that I have believed is going on with these rumors flying around about the Big12 being disbanded. I think it is a power play by the schools to ultimately make and force the Big12 decide to either fix the revenue distribution problems or they are going to find a new conference that treats them fairly/equally.

I think teams are pissed about Texas wanting to launch its own TV net work. I honestly don't know if NU cares because NU gets it's paper.

Durango
06-04-2010, 09:21 PM
If Colorado willingly puts itself in a Pac-10 division that includes Oklahoma, Arizona State, BYU and/or Texas, they deserve what they get, which will be 'not much' in the way of wins, conference titles or major bowls anytime soon. I think it's a cryin' shame these schools are considering breaking up the Big 12. I understand the money issue, but the current conference just seems ideally suited to the geography and has so many strong rivalries.

TheChamp24
06-04-2010, 10:06 PM
Five current PAC 10 teams have won national basketball championships. Fifteen total. More teams than any other conference, and more championships than any other conference. If indeed the six Big XII teams merge with the PAC, five national football champions from the past 20 years will be in the conference.

Garbage indeed.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NCAA_Men's_Division_I_Basketball_Championship

So because UCLA freakin dominated in basketball in the '60's/70's for one, due to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bill Walton during some of those years, and they count for 11 of those 15 titles.
The last Pac 10 Championship? Arizona in 1997, heck only 2 Championships in the past 35 years. Then you have Oregon's, Stanford's and Cal's championships in the 1930's-1950's. Nice try arguing the Pac 10 is better than the Big 12.

Fact is, Big 12 has better schools than the Pac 10. I just don't see how you can argue that the Pac 10 is better at this point.
While the Pac 10 might not be as horrendus as people make it out to be here in this thread, it is still not on par with the Big 12.

If Colorado willingly puts itself in a Pac-10 division that includes Oklahoma, Arizona State, BYU and/or Texas, they deserve what they get, which will be 'not much' in the way of wins, conference titles or major bowls anytime soon. I think it's a cryin' shame these schools are considering breaking up the Big 12. I understand the money issue, but the current conference just seems ideally suited to the geography and has so many strong rivalries.

If they can't even muster more than 2 wins playing in the North division in the Big 12, moving into a division with OU, Texas, ASU, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, I doubt that improves at all.

hookemhess
06-04-2010, 10:08 PM
Dude. You are a homer.

http://www.usatoday.com/sports/sagarin.htm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/232365-2009-2010-college-football-conference-rankings
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/columns/story?columnist=schlabach_mark&id=5214108

You can make the case that the Big 12 is stronger, but you can make just as valid a case that the PAC-10 is superior. All the PAC-10 hate in this thread is laughable.

I didn't learn anything about defenses in the Pac-10 from those articles. All I'm preaching is the Pac-10 has notoriously soft defenses. Name a quality defense in the league other than SC.

Defense: Pac-10 in Bowl Games
Team Total yards Points Bowl Yards Bowl Pts
Arizona 316 23 396 33
California 378 25 389 37
Oregon 329 24 419 26
Oregon State 352 23 308 44
Stanford 397 26 477 31
UCLA 338 21 282 21
USC 342 20 312 13

Jens1893
06-04-2010, 10:26 PM
ISU, Kansas, Kansas State and Baylor have now all released public statements in support of the B12. no sign of anything similar coming from the other 8 universities.

bombay
06-05-2010, 12:41 PM
So because UCLA freakin dominated in basketball in the '60's/70's for one, due to Kareem Abdul-Jabbar and Bill Walton during some of those years, and they count for 11 of those 15 titles.
The last Pac 10 Championship? Arizona in 1997, heck only 2 Championships in the past 35 years. Then you have Oregon's, Stanford's and Cal's championships in the 1930's-1950's. Nice try arguing the Pac 10 is better than the Big 12.

Fact is, Big 12 has better schools than the Pac 10. I just don't see how you can argue that the Pac 10 is better at this point.
While the Pac 10 might not be as horrendus as people make it out to be here in this thread, it is still not on par with the Big 12.



If they can't even muster more than 2 wins playing in the North division in the Big 12, moving into a division with OU, Texas, ASU, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, I doubt that improves at all.

The Big XII has how many basketball championships, total?

Let me know if they get to within 10 of the PAC, and which ones count and which ones don't.

Besides, I made no comparison to the Big XII. That's all you. My objection is to the moron who referred to the PAC as 'garbage'. Try reading it again.

Doggcow
06-05-2010, 12:56 PM
Because the only defense worth a damn in the whole league is at SC (who gets the top talent from all the land and still manages to lose to Stanford).

Ironically the Big 12 is talking about soft defenses.

Doggcow
06-05-2010, 12:58 PM
The SEC has won more national championship games, but the Big XII has always been in the national title hunt.

In the last 12 years since the inception of the BCS National Championship Game, Big XII teams have been in 7 of those games. They are always seemingly in the hunt for the national championship.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/11238651


Plus, I think they are stronger than the SEC from top to bottom. I will concede that the SEC easily belongs in this discussion of the strongest conference. To say that they are "far and away the best league in the nation" is not accurate.

Ok so the Big 12 is far and away the 2nd best in the country!

Miss I.
06-05-2010, 01:18 PM
Why must there be such Pac-10 hate? I went to the UA, we had a pretty good basketball team, seems to me they still do all right. We have excellent swim, baseball and softball programs and occasionally we field decent football players (Tedy Bruschi comes to mind). ASU, despite it's party school-hot chick rep, also has fielded some very good sports teams so I don't get the remarks about it being crap. And it isn't like the Cal schools are lacking in talent either, though I don think that yokel who went from USC to the Cards was perhaps over hyped.
In any case, whatever. The other divisions may be stronger, I don't care. I was okay being from a Pac-10 University, of course I was there to actually attend classes, but still, season floor seats at UA basketball games were appreciated during my tenure.

NFLBRONCO
06-05-2010, 01:25 PM
Dear CU,

The Pac 10 12 or 16 would like to offer you a chance to join our conference. We polled all the coaches and they would gladly accept a doormat team to add to win totals. We look forward to hearing from you soon.

bombay
06-05-2010, 01:44 PM
Who's your team, nfl? Colorado has a national championship under their belt, and they won't be down forever. But simple remarks are easy to toss out, I suppose.

Elway's Pigeon Toes
06-05-2010, 02:07 PM
Who's your team, nfl? Colorado has a national championship under their belt, and they won't be down forever. But simple remarks are easy to toss out, I suppose.

Exactly.

He's probably 13 and wasn't around for one of the most dominant 6 year stretches of college football history which belonged to CU from 1989-1994. Only Bowden's FSU program had more top 5 finishes in that era.

Despite the 2000's being such a poor decade of CU football CU still came out as the most accomplished Big 12 North team of the decade and was 1 of only 4 Big 12 programs to win a conference title in football during the decade.

CU has played for the national title twice in the past 20 years and was .0something BCS points away from playing for it for a 3rd time in 2001. Only a loss to Nebraska stopped CU from playing for it in 1994. That's either winning it, playing for it, or being extremely close 4 times in 20 years. There aren't many programs that have played for it or been that close to playing for it that many times in 20 years.

With CU getting an extra $11 million per year than they're used to getting from TV revenue they'll finally be able to build the facilities that they've always wanted to build and can add that to the natural recruiting advantage that is Colorado. All it will take is one decent season to get it going again and CU will rise back to being the top 20 ALL-TIME program that it is.

bombay
06-05-2010, 02:20 PM
Exactly.

He's probably 13 and wasn't around for one of the most dominant 6 year stretches of college football history which belonged to CU from 1989-1994. Only Bowden's FSU program had more top 5 finishes in that era.

Despite the 2000's being such a poor decade of CU football CU still came out as the most accomplished Big 12 North team of the decade and was 1 of only 4 Big 12 programs to win a conference title in football during the decade.

CU has played for the national title twice in the past 20 years and was .0something BCS points away from playing for it for a 3rd time in 2001. Only a loss to Nebraska stopped CU from playing for it in 1994. That's either winning it, playing for it, or being extremely close 4 times in 20 years. There aren't many programs that have played for it or been that close to playing for it that many times in 20 years.

With CU getting an extra $11 million per year than they're used to getting from TV revenue they'll finally be able to build the facilities that they've always wanted to build and can add that to the natural recruiting advantage that is Colorado. All it will take is one decent season to get it going again and CU will rise back to being the top 20 ALL-TIME program that it is.


Rep. Fine post.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-05-2010, 02:22 PM
It's not even this decade, they won the North 4 times and the league once in the past 10 years. It's Talkins and his staff that are so completely in over their heads. There's not Top 20 talent there, but they've got bowl level talent. Talkins is just a retard.

NFLBRONCO
06-05-2010, 02:37 PM
Relax guys geez I root for CU big time and always will. Let's be honest unless the University puts more into Athletics this program will be poor that is why I make jokes. Hawkins has been a total flop but, what they pay coaches here who worth a darn are you going to get?

Do I want a better program YES but, its up to University to make football program a much bigger deal.

bombay
06-05-2010, 02:45 PM
Relax guys geez I root for CU big time and always will. Let's be honest unless the University puts more into Athletics this program will be poor that is why I make jokes. Hawkins has been a total flop but, what they pay coaches here who worth a darn are you going to get?

Do I want a better program YES but, its up to University to make football program a much bigger deal.


Now that I agree with.

Kid A
06-06-2010, 03:22 PM
**** is getting real:

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100605/BIGRED/306059889

Multiple sources throughout college athletics, when discussing on Saturday a Pacific 10 Conference raid of six schools from the Big 12, used the word “probable'' more than “possible.''
...

The Austin American-Statesman, citing two sources from Big 12 schools, reported Saturday night that NU and Missouri have been given until Friday at 5 p.m. to declare whether they are with the Big 12 or will pursue a move to the Big Ten.

http://www.chicagobreakingsports.com/2010/06/pac-10-commissioner-gets-authority-to-pursue-expansion.html

The Pac-10 concluded its meetings Sunday by giving commissioner Larry Scott the authority to pursue any possible expansion, while not committing the conference to adding any more schools.

Doggcow
06-06-2010, 03:29 PM
Why must there be such Pac-10 hate? I went to the UA, we had a pretty good basketball team, seems to me they still do all right. We have excellent swim, baseball and softball programs and occasionally we field decent football players (Tedy Bruschi comes to mind). ASU, despite it's party school-hot chick rep, also has fielded some very good sports teams so I don't get the remarks about it being crap. And it isn't like the Cal schools are lacking in talent either, though I don think that yokel who went from USC to the Cards was perhaps over hyped.
In any case, whatever. The other divisions may be stronger, I don't care. I was okay being from a Pac-10 University, of course I was there to actually attend classes, but still, season floor seats at UA basketball games were appreciated during my tenure.

The PAC-10 has been awesome in basketball for the past few years. This year we have a bunch of exceptional baseball teams (ASU is #1 in the nation, but I guess that isn't **** because they're in the PAC-10 and it doesn't count....)

Garcia Bronco
06-06-2010, 03:48 PM
Now that I agree with.

I think that starts by getting them on local TV.

Jens1893
06-06-2010, 08:53 PM
**** is getting real

Tom Osborne now basically has the fate of the Big 12 in his hands and if the alleged invite from the Big Eleven is true, I hope he pulls the trigger ASAP. And I have little doubt he will ... if only to get one over Texas as Osborne and Texas have never really seen to eye-to-eye and I assume that keeping the status quo is exactly what UT wants.

TheChamp24
06-06-2010, 09:11 PM
All Texas cares is about themselves, and their best interest is keeping the Big 12 intact, raking in the millions more they get from the Big 12 and creating a supposed Texas TV network which would generate a huge amount of revenue for them if implemented correctly.

McDman
06-06-2010, 09:30 PM
All Texas cares is about themselves, and their best interest is keeping the Big 12 intact, raking in the millions more they get from the Big 12 and creating a supposed Texas TV network which would generate a huge amount of revenue for them if implemented correctly.

If Texas cares about only themselves and their money, then they will be joining the SEC shortly. No other conference rakes in as much money, especially now with their ESPN deal.

Also, think of the national appeal of a yearly Texas match up with LSU, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee.

If the Pac-10 really does expand then I think the SEC will take drastic measures to as well. Best case scenario would be Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and OK State. That would be ridiculous.

epicSocialism4tw
06-06-2010, 09:47 PM
PAC-10?

I thought that it was the PAC-1.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-06-2010, 09:47 PM
Why would Texas go to a conference that already puts 2 teams a year into BCS games?

Jens1893
06-06-2010, 09:48 PM
All Texas cares is about themselves, and their best interest is keeping the Big 12 intact, raking in the millions more they get from the Big 12 and creating a supposed Texas TV network which would generate a huge amount of revenue for them if implemented correctly.

for a school thats by far and large dominated big 12 football for the past few years OU has been eerily quiet on all this, dont you think?

DomCasual
06-06-2010, 09:48 PM
Kizsla had a column today espousing a CU move to the MWC. At first, I just rolled my eyes. It will, of course, never happen. CU wouldn't get near the money they need, short-term, in a move to the MWC. The more I've thought about it, though, it would be sort of cool from a fan's perspective. CU at CSU. CU at Wyoming. CU at Air Force. CU at BYU. There could be some great rivalries born there (or extended, in the case of CSU). And, CU could be a bigger fish, for a change. And the MWC is going to get better, and more respected as time goes on.

That said, it will never happen. But it was kind of fun to think about.

I hate the power Texas has in all of this, though. I hate CU being their lackey.

Jens1893
06-06-2010, 10:00 PM
I hate the power Texas has in all of this, though. I hate CU being their lackey.

I´d actually say Nebraska has the most power here as they can screw UT over by joining the Big 11.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-06-2010, 10:01 PM
Kizsla had a column today espousing a CU move to the MWC. At first, I just rolled my eyes. It will, of course, never happen. CU wouldn't get near the money they need, short-term, in a move to the MWC. The more I've thought about it, though, it would be sort of cool from a fan's perspective. CU at CSU. CU at Wyoming. CU at Air Force. CU at BYU. There could be some great rivalries born there (or extended, in the case of CSU). And, CU could be a bigger fish, for a change. And the MWC is going to get better, and more respected as time goes on.

That said, it will never happen. But it was kind of fun to think about.

I hate the power Texas has in all of this, though. I hate CU being their lackey.

That was a terrible column

His reasons to join the MWC

Reduce travel therefore saving money

TV revenue
-completely omits what CU being part of a PX network will bring to the athletic dept in increased revenue, but thinks that SD cares about SD St or that any town in Texas cares about any school not named UT or A&M, which will bring in more TV revenue

No CU fan wants to travel to Laramie, Ft Fun, the Springs, Boise, Waco, or Utah
-but there are more CU alums living in PX states than there are in the Big XII states

CU struggles now, all they need is to join a MWC and watch their revenues drop even further

That article is a total copout, CU is down now based on what has turned out to be a terrible coaching hire, so they should just fold up and join the MWC.

Kid A
06-06-2010, 10:06 PM
Tom Osborne now basically has the fate of the Big 12 in his hands and if the alleged invite from the Big Eleven is true, I hope he pulls the trigger ASAP. And I have little doubt he will ... if only to get one over Texas as Osborne and Texas have never really seen to eye-to-eye and I assume that keeping the status quo is exactly what UT wants.

Big 10 announced today they are going to greatly accelerate the expansion process, which really does sound like a reaction to the Pac-10 expansion talk and the Nebraska/Mizzou "ultimatum." Still, though, it's not clear for sure if Nebraska or MU have been invited. Clearly the Big 10 does have interest in Texas and very well could be preparing to offer them and A&M before the Pac-10 makes too good an offer.

This thing looks to go nuclear before the end of this week, though. From everything I've read coming out of the Big 12 meetings, they haven't settled much of anything and the divisions have only gotten deeper. I think Tom might feel a little guilty about leaving some original Big 8 schools in a bad spot, but at this point they need to protect NU, and if we get an invite to join the schools up North...we'd be fools to turn them down.

Kid A
06-06-2010, 10:09 PM
I´d actually say Nebraska has the most power here as they can screw UT over by joining the Big 11.

Texas doesn't face many problems no matter how this shakes. Maybe their ideal is to keep the Big 12 intact and launch a Longhorn Network or something like has been rumored. But we know the Pac-10 would give its left leg to have them and the Big 10 might be close behind. Simply too big of a cash cow to not end up in good shape after this plays out.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-06-2010, 10:16 PM
and if the PX caves and invites Baylor over CU, then . . . . wow. The PX has tried to get CU for 15+ years. Talkins will need to quit with the excuse that the program was burned to the ground when he took over, because he'll have ****ing nuked it along with Bohn, Benson, and DiStefano.

Jens1893
06-06-2010, 11:16 PM
Texas doesn't face many problems no matter how this shakes. Maybe their ideal is to keep the Big 12 intact and launch a Longhorn Network or something like has been rumored. But we know the Pac-10 would give its left leg to have them and the Big 10 might be close behind. Simply too big of a cash cow to not end up in good shape after this plays out.

I know that UT won´t have any problem whatsoever finding a new home, but Nebraska can rob them off what probably is their preferred option, which in turn could cost UT some leverage in talks with the Pac 10, Big Eleven or even the SEC. The more options you have, the better your position.

Kid A
06-06-2010, 11:26 PM
I know that UT won´t have any problem whatsoever finding a new home, but Nebraska can rob them off what probably is their preferred option, which in turn could cost UT some leverage in talks with the Pac 10, Big Eleven or even the SEC. The more options you have, the better your position.

True. The biggest threat to NU not getting a Big 10 invite might be if Notre Dame buckles. Some have speculated the Big 10 would stop at 12 if they land the Irish. Then again, others have said the only condition Notre Dame would join might be if the Big 10 raids the Big East (ND's basketball home) of a few teams on its way to building a 16 team super-conference.

TheChamp24
06-07-2010, 12:38 AM
If Texas cares about only themselves and their money, then they will be joining the SEC shortly. No other conference rakes in as much money, especially now with their ESPN deal.

Also, think of the national appeal of a yearly Texas match up with LSU, Florida, Alabama, Georgia, and Tennessee.

If the Pac-10 really does expand then I think the SEC will take drastic measures to as well. Best case scenario would be Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and OK State. That would be ridiculous.

They want to stay in the Big 12 because Texas and OU virtually have all the power, with Texas most of it. Texas wants its OWN network that will give them ALL of their revenue. They can't get that in the SEC or the Pac 10 with those networks, but if they stay in the Big 12 they can get their own, and further screw everyone else of revenue.

for a school thats by far and large dominated big 12 football for the past few years OU has been eerily quiet on all this, dont you think?

Honestly, I hate to admit this, but even though they are a prestigious school, they aren't in control of this. It comes down to what Nebraska/Mizzou do and what Texas does.

24champ
06-07-2010, 01:22 AM
True. The biggest threat to NU not getting a Big 10 invite might be if Notre Dame buckles. Some have speculated the Big 10 would stop at 12 if they land the Irish. Then again, others have said the only condition Notre Dame would join might be if the Big 10 raids the Big East (ND's basketball home) of a few teams on its way to building a 16 team super-conference.

BigTen is threatening the Big East that they will raid their conference. Essentially ending that conference, the premise behind that is to make the Big East compromise into giving up Notre Dame.

It's a giant poker game right now with all the School Presidents and Conference officials.

McDman
06-07-2010, 06:06 AM
They want to stay in the Big 12 because Texas and OU virtually have all the power, with Texas most of it. Texas wants its OWN network that will give them ALL of their revenue. They can't get that in the SEC or the Pac 10 with those networks, but if they stay in the Big 12 they can get their own, and further screw everyone else of revenue.

I do agree with this. While they may make a lot more money by joining the SEC, they're chances of winning a national title drastically decrease.

DivineLegion
06-07-2010, 06:53 AM
Most Wins All-Time: wins, percentage

Michigan - 877, 72%
Notre Dame - 837, 71%
Nebraska - 827, 70%
Ohio State - 819, 69%
Oklahoma - 791, 69%
Tennessee- 773, 69%
Alabama - 813, 69%
Penn State - 811, 64%

And if you only factor in the last 50 years Nebraska has the most wins. Factor in just the last 20 Miami and Florida are on top I believe. So really, nothing too clear cut (we haven't even mentioned the past decades main juggernaut, USC). Lots of teams kind of clumped up there in the top tier.

It will be interesting to see if those top 3 (Michigan, Notre Dame, Nebraska) can bounce back from a poor decade much like OU and Alabama rebounded from long periods of mediocrity.


Nebraska's climbing its way back to the top, and last year was a statement season. With Tom Osborne as the AD and Bo Polini running the program Nebraska will be good for years to come. When they broke off the Bob Dovani tree of coaching it stalled big time. That tree has since been re-established, and the Big Red is back to work. They lost a couple of good seniors on the defense this season, but they sill have a very young team still intact. Not to mention they have a very good sophomore QB Cody Green who is going to put up Eric Crouch/Vince Young type numbers if he is developed properly. With the Black Shirts dominating memorial stadium again I expect Nebraska to be a legitimate contender again.

Kid A
06-07-2010, 08:19 AM
This is a pretty funny twitter page that has emerged in the past couple days:

http://twitter.com/Pac16Conference

Dan Hawkins left me a voicemail around 3 a.m. Lots of yelling and something about the Big 12 being intramurals.

Potential snag! In addition to inviting #Baylor, Texas politicians are also demanding that Cali, Oregon, Wash & Ariz switch to central time.

Lew Perkins has left me 57 voicemails in the last three days. Dude can't take a hint.

Rock Chalk
06-07-2010, 10:24 AM
There are a couple of issues.

All 4 Texas schools will stay together period. The Texas Legislature will not permit them to be broken up so whatever happens, those 4 are staying together. Pac 10 cant just invite 3, the two Okie Schools and CU, because they wont get any of the Texas schools.

OU is going to go wherever Texas goes. teh Red River Rivalry is the biggest non BCS Bowl money making game in the country and its not even close. Okie State and OU are staying together because Bedlam is Bedlam in Oklahoma and there is no way the state legislature in Oklahoma will break those two up.

So, Pac 10 has to take Texas and OU from the Big 12 to even have a shot at any of them which would leave CU completely out in the cold. Money is a driving factor but people forget about state pride among politicians who can block these moves (Texas was only allowed to join the Big XII if Baylor was also invited, that was the deal the Texas government put on it).

Also consider, Texas needs no money. They have a 16.1 billion dollar endowment and make more revenue than any other school in the nation and its not even remotely close. Texas is looking into creating its own TV network and any deal they make with any other conference will NOT interfere with that. There are roughly 25 million people in Texas that will tune in and at least 50 million more throughout the country. Texas is the one program that needs no conference money or incentive to join so whatever move they make will be solely based on what they want to do, not any monetary incentive any other conference can provide them.

The Big 12 North schools all could use extra funds however. Unlike the OK and TX schools, they do not have loads of cash and could benefit greatly from joining another super conference. Missouri and Nebraska are in the best position as Missouri (the state, not the school) has a good football market and is alluring to the Big 11. Nebraska is a storied powerhouse program that will bring in money despite being in a sparsely populated state.

Iowa State and the two Kansas schools and CU are in much more difficult positions. Kansas as a state doesn't offer much in terms of revenue having a population of just over 1 million and Colorado is on the decline in generally all sports. Without a pipeline to Texas, Nebraska and Oklahoma players, Colorado's future looks even more bleak. Unless they join the Pac 10 which will be dependent on Texas and OK schools declining making room for them. Iowa State is the red headed step child of Iowa only with extremely poor academics and no way of getting recruits to come in football. Kansas has a slim shot of getting in to another super conference because of their basketball program, but their football program, which is where all the money comes from, is at best average. KStates football program (with the exception of the Snyder years) is even worse.

If the Big XII goes defunct the losers will be those 4 North Schools. Missouri and Nebraska will find new homes fairly easily, and CU has a shot, but its not going to be nearly as easy.

SoonerBronco
06-07-2010, 01:51 PM
Good Summary Rock Choke :wave:

bronco militia
06-07-2010, 01:54 PM
BOISE, Idaho -- Boise State Broncos will not be getting an invitation to join the Mountain West Conference -- at least for now.

Commissioner Craig Thompson says the decision not to expand the nine-team conference is due to the potential shake-ups in other conferences. Officials from the Big Ten, Pac-10 and Big 12 are considering adding new schools.

Thompson says Monday's decision is not final. He says the board could reconsider once the other bigger conferences get sorted out. The board has met the last several days in Jackson, Wyo.

Boise State had hoped to get an invitation to join the Mountain West as a way to generate more revenue, increase competition and get a clearer shot to college football's Bowl Championship Series

Kid A
06-07-2010, 02:09 PM
Would Texas be screwing themselves if the immediately dismantle the Big XII/bolt to the Pac-10 in the event of a Nebraska to Big 10 scenario? Worth considering why the loss of Nebraska = Texas destroys the Big XII.


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Texas wants to pursue its own sports network. The Big 12 appears open to that. UT doesn’t want to equally share league revenue. The Big 12 doesn’t, either. The league offices are in Dallas. The Big 12 football championship is in Dallas. The league’s annual regular season game of the year - Texas vs. Oklahoma - is in Dallas.

The Longhorns have a fiefdom in the Big 12. Their own private kingdom. Their own news outlets, too, it would appear.

But if Nebraska can’t commit to that kingdom by June 15, UT will burn it to the ground and take five schools with it to the Pac-10.

The Longhorns are willing to sever themselves from all the benefits of the Big 12 because they just can’t bear to see Nebraska leave it. Even though UT athletic director DeLoss Dodds said on May 18: "If two teams come out of the Big 12, I don't think it changes our world that much."

And though it seems impossible, at this moment, to pity Texas, UT flirts dangerously with the pitiable existence of a colonist, of an occupying force in a foreign nation, bearing immense responsibility and scrutiny as it trudges forth into a new landscape where it will be expected to speak for all of the Big 12 teams it drags along. Non-revenue sports teams will make long, punishing trips to the West Coast, and will struggle to win conference titles. The mercurial Pac-10, which has generally been indifferent to filling its stadiums, much less capturing the football flag, will be a constant, irritating foil, the one major league with the academic reputation to look down its nose at UT.


It's an odd play on their part...unless it's a bluff.

BroncoBuff
06-07-2010, 02:14 PM
Hate to say it, but CU might be headed to the Mountain West.

DomCasual
06-07-2010, 02:19 PM
Hate to say it, but CU might be headed to the Mountain West.

What makes you say that?

It wouldn't be so bad. I wonder what kind of TV deal a MWC with CU, Boise State, and maybe a few other Big-12 schools could get. I would assume they'd get a BCS bid.

Jens1893
06-07-2010, 02:20 PM
Would Texas be screwing themselves if the immediately dismantle the Big XII/bolt to the Pac-10 in the event of a Nebraska to Big 10 scenario? Worth considering why the loss of Nebraska = Texas destroys the Big XII.

As I said, I think Nebraska holds the fate of the Big 12 in its hands and if they bolt, they can send a big **** YOU to UT and the State of Texas and Tom Osborne might be just the guy to do that as there seems to be little love lost between Osborne and the former SWC schools, UT in particular.

UT wants to keep the status quo, if Nebraska bolts, dominoes will fall into place and the Big 12 gets blown up.

Jens1893
06-07-2010, 02:23 PM
What makes you say that?

It wouldn't be so bad. I wonder what kind of TV deal a MWC with CU, Boise State, and maybe a few other Big-12 schools could get. I would assume they'd get a BCS bid.

It´d be similar to the TV deal CU currently has and nowhere near the TV deal a Pac 16 could get. SEC schools get like $20m in TV revenue ... a Pac 16 would certainly be somewhere near that.

BroncoBuff
06-07-2010, 02:26 PM
What makes you say that?

It wouldn't be so bad. I wonder what kind of TV deal a MWC with CU, Boise State, and maybe a few other Big-12 schools could get. I would assume they'd get a BCS bid.

MWC just announced, 11 am Monday, it's not offering Boise State yet. Looks like they're waiting until the Pac 10 makes their offers. Alec is correct (alert the media) that the Texas three (not Baylor) and the Oklahoma two are a 5-team package deal. That leaves just one spot open in the Pac 10, and Utah has the edge on Colorado.

I've also seen names for the 16-team conference, "Great Western Conference" ... "Great American Conference."

This is a very big deal.

Kid A
06-07-2010, 02:28 PM
UT wants to keep the status quo, if Nebraska bolts, dominoes will fall into place and the Big 12 gets blown up.

And the Big East. And several of the mid-majors (as the SEC, ACC load up in the arms race). Brave new world for college football is a move away. Not sure how I feel about it, but I guess better to be on the front end of it if possible.

BroncoBuff
06-07-2010, 02:29 PM
It´d be similar to the TV deal CU currently has and nowhere near the TV deal a Pac 16 could get. SEC schools get like $20m in TV revenue ... a Pac 16 would certainly be somewhere near that.

Maybe from a revenue standpoint, but not from a visibility one.

I dunno if non-CU people notice, but damn near every CU game is on national TV. I see at least 7 or 8 games every year here in Seattle, much as I did in Los Angeles. That can't continue now, and that's the saddest part for me.

Jens1893
06-07-2010, 02:32 PM
And the Big East. And several of the mid-majors (as the SEC, ACC load up in the arms race). Brave new world for college football is a move away. Not sure how I feel about it, but I guess better to be on the front end of it if possible.

Can´t blame you. It´s musical chairs college style.

Jens1893
06-07-2010, 02:34 PM
Maybe from a revenue standpoint, but not from a visibility one.

I dunno if non-CU people notice, but damn near every CU game is on national TV. I see at least 7 or 8 games every year here in Seattle, much as I did in Los Angeles. That can't continue now, and that's the saddest part for me.

IF a Pac 16 with CU goes ahead there´ll be a Pac 16 network and I´d guess that most if not all CU games will be on TV.

DomCasual
06-07-2010, 02:38 PM
MWC just announced, 11 am Monday, it's not offering Boise State yet. Looks like they're waiting until the Pac 10 makes their offers. Alec is correct (alert the media) that the Texas three (not Baylor) and the Oklahoma two are a 5-team package deal. That leaves just one spot open in the Pac 10, and Utah has the edge on Colorado.

I've also seen names for the 16-team conference, "Great Western Conference" ... "Great American Conference."

This is a very big deal.

I think the Boise State thing will happen. They're talking about it here like it's just a delay to see if they can add any Big-12 teams. I also read the thing about Baylor petitioning the state legislature to insist they be included with the Texas schools. I guess that will just come down to how much clout they end up having there. CU seems to be a much better match with the PAC-10 than Baylor. Would Texas really give an ultimatum over including Baylor? That would seem crazy, but who knows?

I really don't care for the state of Texas in stuff like this. I'd love to see Baylor out on its butt.

BroncoBuff
06-07-2010, 02:51 PM
I think the Boise State thing will happen.

I really don't care for the state of Texas in stuff like this. I'd love to see Baylor out on its butt.

Yeah, Baylor out on its butt, at least with the Pac 10, is likely.

Remember then Texas Governor Ann Richards - a Baylor alumna - demanded Baylor join the other three Texas schools in the new Big XII. That hurt the Big XII, because Arkansas had just left for the SEC a year or two earlier, but they had an "out" in their SEC deal to join Texas in a new conference. Ann Richards' forcible inclusion of Baylor kept Arkansas in the SEC, and the Big XII suffered.


I'm guessing:

Boise State, Colorado, Kansas State and Baylor to the MWC ...

Nebraska, Kansas and Missouri to the Big Ten ....

Five Texas/Oklahoma schools plus Utah to the Pac 10 ...

Although Colorado might get in ahead of Utah, it's possible. Denver is a big TV market, and that matters.

Jens1893
06-07-2010, 02:53 PM
The Ann Richards thing seems to be a myth from what I heard recently.

NFLBRONCO
06-07-2010, 02:56 PM
Hate to say it, but CU might be headed to the Mountain West.

Don't say it yuck

BroncoBuff
06-07-2010, 02:59 PM
The Ann Richards thing seems to be a myth from what I heard recently.

People have always debated whether she forced that issue, but the local Waco newspaper stated it again just yesterday:

It happened once before, during the formation of the Big 12 in 1996, when Texas governor Ann Richards wouldn’t allow the state schools to bolt the Southwestern Conference unless Baylor, her alma mater, got the golden ticket, too.
http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/baylor/Big-12-breakup-could-leave-Baylor-north-teams-without-golden-ticket.html


Big XII would've been a lot different with Arkansas instead of Baylor.

DomCasual
06-07-2010, 03:00 PM
I still say the CU/MWC thing wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize. It's definitely a way distant-2nd to the Pac-10 option; but I would almost prefer it to the Big-12 status quo. I'm a CU fan first, and a MWC fan second. For selfish reasons, I would love to be able to go see CU at BYU and Utah every other year. And my coverage of CU would be great here, if they were in the MWC. And they'd be playing for a BCS bowl every year in an updated MWC.

Kid A
06-07-2010, 03:05 PM
Yeah, Baylor out on its butt, at least with the Pac 10, is likely.

Remember then Texas Governor Ann Richards - a Baylor alumna - demanded Baylor join the other three Texas schools in the new Big XII. That hurt the Big XII, because Arkansas had just left for the SEC a year or two earlier, but they had an "out" in their SEC deal to join Texas in a new conference. Ann Richards' forcible inclusion of Baylor kept Arkansas in the SEC, and the Big XII suffered.


I'm guessing:

Boise State, Colorado, Kansas State and Baylor to the MWC ...

Nebraska, Kansas and Missouri to the Big Ten ....

Five Texas/Oklahoma schools plus Utah to the Pac 10 ...

Although Colorado might get in ahead of Utah, it's possible. Denver is a big TV market, and that matters.

I've seen lots of people mentioning KU as a possibility to the Big Ten, but all the insiders and commentators seem to thing it's a real long shot. Top 3 basketball program, but all this movement comes down to football and TV markets, neither of which favor the Jayhawks.

I feel bad for them, but hopefully if this falls apart they can get in the MWC or whatever with CU and K-state. Being in C-USA hasn't hurt Memphis' basketball recruiting or success, and I doubt a move would do much damage to a Kansas b-ball program.

Kid A
06-07-2010, 03:06 PM
Also, the KU chancellor is begging NU to stay, which should give some indications to what kind of spot they are in.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/07/1999531/ku-chancellor-urges-nebraska-to.html

Hercules Rockefeller
06-07-2010, 03:18 PM
I still say the CU/MWC thing wouldn't be a terrible consolation prize.

Yes it would. That will kill an already struggling athletic department. TV revenue goes down and you're going to see a lot of fans that they have left, stop giving a ****.

Sadly, I'd bet that's where they end up now.

BroncoBuff
06-07-2010, 03:19 PM
Also, the KU chancellor is begging NU to stay, which should give some indications to what kind of spot they are in.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/07/1999531/ku-chancellor-urges-nebraska-to.html
I guess Kansas is not part of the Big 10's plans ...

Gotta remember the Big 10 has 11 teams now. Don't they want three or even five more? Plus KU basketball would be a huge asset for them.

Kid A
06-07-2010, 03:34 PM
I guess Kansas is not part of the Big 10's plans ...

Gotta remember the Big 10 has 11 teams now. Don't they want three or even five more? Plus KU basketball would be a huge asset for them.

Not sure. How much $ will a big basketball program bring as opposed to a middle of the road football school in the NY area? So much of the Big Ten's approach seems based on expanding their network. Nebraska, despite being a small population state, has a national football presence and brand. To an extent KU b-ball is in a similar spot, but I'm not sure that's where the money is. Then again this is just me speculating. In terms of rumors, though, it seems to be just NU, Mizzou, and Big East schools. And, of course, Texas.

Jens1893
06-07-2010, 03:36 PM
Also, the KU chancellor is begging NU to stay, which should give some indications to what kind of spot they are in.

http://www.kansascity.com/2010/06/07/1999531/ku-chancellor-urges-nebraska-to.html

Generally speaking, I´d be concerned if your school has felt the need to go public with a "we support the Big 12!" statement. That´s pretty much like fish saying "we support water!".

Jens1893
06-07-2010, 03:38 PM
Not sure. How much $ will a big basketball program bring as opposed to a middle of the road football school in the NY area? So much of the Big Ten's approach seems based on expanding their network. Nebraska, despite being a small population state, has a national football presence and brand. To an extent KU b-ball is in a similar spot, but I'm not sure that's where the money is. Then again this is just me speculating. In terms of rumors, though, it seems to be just NU, Mizzou, and Big East schools. And, of course, Texas.

Basketball really seems to be an afterthought in all this. This is all about football as it´s by far the biggest revenue generating sport.

Kid A
06-07-2010, 03:38 PM
Looks like I might be right about the football and TV markets being the only important factor:

http://www.cbssports.com/collegebasketball/story/13491457/lost-in-the-phog-kansas-shows-basketballs-place-in-college

All that matters is football and TV markets. That's it. If the Pac-10 and Big Ten -- or, down the road, the SEC -- end up with some nice basketball additions when everything settles, it will be a bonus for basketball fans of those leagues, but nothing more. Again, basketball just doesn't register, not even KU's elite basketball program, which is about as important as Cal State-Fullerton's elite baseball program to the conference leaders backstabbing each other in the name of greed.

Looks like Nebraska chose the right sport to suck in, haha.

Jens1893
06-07-2010, 04:26 PM
So, according to the Texas PR Department (aka Orangebloods.com or Chip Brown), Nebraska now suddenly is the best thing since sliced bread. Is this the same Nebraska which I think could blow up the Big 12 and take away UT´s preferred option or why does the UT PR Department suddenly feel the need to powder Nebraska´s ass in public?

ChipBrownOB
By the way, Texas officials want it clear their relationship with NU's administration is among the best in the Big 12.

ChipBrownOB
Forget Tom Osborne's disgrunted view of Texas. UT officials trust NU chancellor Harvey Perlman implicitly.

ChipBrownOB
UT probably trusts Nebraska's administration (at the chancellor level) more than anyone else in the Big 12 North.

ChipBrownOB
Losing Nebraska's administration as a trusted ally is a big reason Texas is sweating NU's possible departure from the Big 12.

Kid A
06-07-2010, 04:36 PM
So, according to the Texas PR Department (aka Orangebloods.com or Chip Brown), Nebraska now suddenly is the best thing since sliced bread. Is this the same Nebraska which I think could blow up the Big 12 and take away UT´s preferred option or why does the UT PR Department suddenly feel the need to powder Nebraska´s ass in public?

ChipBrownOB
By the way, Texas officials want it clear their relationship with NU's administration is among the best in the Big 12.

ChipBrownOB
Forget Tom Osborne's disgrunted view of Texas. UT officials trust NU chancellor Harvey Perlman implicitly.

ChipBrownOB
UT probably trusts Nebraska's administration (at the chancellor level) more than anyone else in the Big 12 North.

ChipBrownOB
Losing Nebraska's administration as a trusted ally is a big reason Texas is sweating NU's possible departure from the Big 12.

:rofl:

Kid A
06-07-2010, 06:20 PM
Looks like the ball is in...Notre Dame's court.

http://nebraska.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1091903

Meanwhile, an athletic director with knowledge of the Big Ten said "Notre Dame may now be on the clock" in its discussions with the Big Ten.

The Big Ten is apparently telling Notre Dame if the Irish turn down the invitation, the Big Ten could expand by five schools to go to 16. The fear on Notre Dame's part, and the reason officials are considering the bid carefully, is because officials fear four, 16-team conferences could emerge, and Notre Dame could be left out, sources said.

The Big Ten is apparently ready to grant Notre Dame's request that if the Irish decide to join the Big Ten that it be the only school added to the league.

That deadline for Notre Dame is believed to be synonymous with the deadline given to Nebraska, Missouri and Colorado of June 15 to declare future intentions. Those three schools - NU, MU and CU - are the only three who did not pledge solidarity to the league at the Big 12 meetings in Kansas City last week, sources said.

...

Nebraska is the school that holds the key to the next step in the Big 12's survival. And Nebraska's decision will be impacted directly by Notre Dame.

As Orangebloods.com reported Sunday, an athletic director with knowledge of the situation said the Big Ten is focused solely on Notre Dame right now and will not address Nebraska or Missouri until it gets an answer from the Irish.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-07-2010, 07:14 PM
So, according to the Texas PR Department (aka Orangebloods.com or Chip Brown), Nebraska now suddenly is the best thing since sliced bread. Is this the same Nebraska which I think could blow up the Big 12 and take away UT´s preferred option or why does the UT PR Department suddenly feel the need to powder Nebraska´s ass in public?

ChipBrownOB
By the way, Texas officials want it clear their relationship with NU's administration is among the best in the Big 12.

ChipBrownOB
Forget Tom Osborne's disgrunted view of Texas. UT officials trust NU chancellor Harvey Perlman implicitly.

ChipBrownOB
UT probably trusts Nebraska's administration (at the chancellor level) more than anyone else in the Big 12 North.

ChipBrownOB
Losing Nebraska's administration as a trusted ally is a big reason Texas is sweating NU's possible departure from the Big 12.

Huh? Wasn't Nebraska a problem a day or two ago, and one of the reasons why Texas didn't care if they left? Lots of 11-1 votes on stuff that requires unanimity, and Nebraska was the 1?

Steve Sewell
06-07-2010, 07:31 PM
So, according to the Texas PR Department (aka Orangebloods.com or Chip Brown), Nebraska now suddenly is the best thing since sliced bread. Is this the same Nebraska which I think could blow up the Big 12 and take away UT´s preferred option or why does the UT PR Department suddenly feel the need to powder Nebraska´s ass in public?

ChipBrownOB
By the way, Texas officials want it clear their relationship with NU's administration is among the best in the Big 12.

ChipBrownOB
Forget Tom Osborne's disgrunted view of Texas. UT officials trust NU chancellor Harvey Perlman implicitly.

ChipBrownOB
UT probably trusts Nebraska's administration (at the chancellor level) more than anyone else in the Big 12 North.

ChipBrownOB
Losing Nebraska's administration as a trusted ally is a big reason Texas is sweating NU's possible departure from the Big 12.

Yeah Texass is doing a pretty amateur PR job. Their posturing is so transparent to anyone but themselves. It is really obvious and frankly, very funny to watch.

BTW Notre Dame doesn't have to do a damn thing. I laugh at the notion of Orangetards.com thinking the Big 10 can somehow force ND's hand.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-07-2010, 08:51 PM
Huh.

http://news8austin.com/content/sports/271636/baylor-president-responds-to-pac-10-expansion-effort

Pac-10 Commissioner Larry Scott said he’s already spoken with several universities, but the list of schools that could be invited does not include Baylor University

Durango
06-07-2010, 09:20 PM
There are a couple of issues.

All 4 Texas schools will stay together period. The Texas Legislature will not permit them to be broken up so whatever happens, those 4 are staying together. Pac 10 cant just invite 3, the two Okie Schools and CU, because they wont get any of the Texas schools.

OU is going to go wherever Texas goes. teh Red River Rivalry is the biggest non BCS Bowl money making game in the country and its not even close. Okie State and OU are staying together because Bedlam is Bedlam in Oklahoma and there is no way the state legislature in Oklahoma will break those two up.

So, Pac 10 has to take Texas and OU from the Big 12 to even have a shot at any of them which would leave CU completely out in the cold. Money is a driving factor but people forget about state pride among politicians who can block these moves (Texas was only allowed to join the Big XII if Baylor was also invited, that was the deal the Texas government put on it).

Also consider, Texas needs no money. They have a 16.1 billion dollar endowment and make more revenue than any other school in the nation and its not even remotely close. Texas is looking into creating its own TV network and any deal they make with any other conference will NOT interfere with that. There are roughly 25 million people in Texas that will tune in and at least 50 million more throughout the country. Texas is the one program that needs no conference money or incentive to join so whatever move they make will be solely based on what they want to do, not any monetary incentive any other conference can provide them.

The Big 12 North schools all could use extra funds however. Unlike the OK and TX schools, they do not have loads of cash and could benefit greatly from joining another super conference. Missouri and Nebraska are in the best position as Missouri (the state, not the school) has a good football market and is alluring to the Big 11. Nebraska is a storied powerhouse program that will bring in money despite being in a sparsely populated state.

Iowa State and the two Kansas schools and CU are in much more difficult positions. Kansas as a state doesn't offer much in terms of revenue having a population of just over 1 million and Colorado is on the decline in generally all sports. Without a pipeline to Texas, Nebraska and Oklahoma players, Colorado's future looks even more bleak. Unless they join the Pac 10 which will be dependent on Texas and OK schools declining making room for them. Iowa State is the red headed step child of Iowa only with extremely poor academics and no way of getting recruits to come in football. Kansas has a slim shot of getting in to another super conference because of their basketball program, but their football program, which is where all the money comes from, is at best average. KStates football program (with the exception of the Snyder years) is even worse.

If the Big XII goes defunct the losers will be those 4 North Schools. Missouri and Nebraska will find new homes fairly easily, and CU has a shot, but its not going to be nearly as easy.


Pretty harsh, but true, and from the looks of things, it isn't going to get better any time soon in major mens football or basketball program. For this reason and even considering the simplistic travel logic as a premise, I just don't think it's that bad an idea for C-U to seriously consider entry into the Mountain West Conference, and that's assuming the MWC wants to expand if the Big 12 collapses.

If the Mountain West could keep Utah and BYU, and lure Boise State and C-U, or some combination therein, it could become a very promising conference, but no matter what it does, the fledgling conference will always remain in the shadow of the super conferences in prestige and money.

It just seems C-U is no longer as serious about it's premier athletics as is necessary to rise to national contention anytime soon, no offense to the womens programs intended. The AD seems to be a front man for a failed coaching hire in football, and the best chance the basketball program had to rise out of chronic mediocrity left with Bzdelik, however it's spelled.

Embrace the reality.

Assuming the Big 12 collapses, and at this point it looks to be a matter of when, not 'if', C-U needs a plan, and frankly, the Mountain West is as good as any.

Steve Sewell
06-07-2010, 09:37 PM
Pretty harsh, but true, and from the looks of things, it isn't going to get better any time soon in major mens football or basketball program. For this reason and even considering the simplistic travel logic as a premise, I just don't think it's that bad an idea for C-U to seriously consider entry into the Mountain West Conference, and that's assuming the MWC wants to expand if the Big 12 collapses.

If the Mountain West could keep Utah and BYU, and lure Boise State and C-U, or some combination therein, it could become a very promising conference, but no matter what it does, the fledgling conference will always remain in the shadow of the super conferences in prestige and money.

It just seems C-U is no longer as serious about it's premier athletics as is necessary to rise to national contention anytime soon, no offense to the womens programs intended. The AD seems to be a front man for a failed coaching hire in football, and the best chance the basketball program had to rise out of chronic mediocrity left with Bzdelik, however it's spelled.

Embrace the reality.

Assuming the Big 12 collapses, and at this point it looks to be a matter of when, not 'if', C-U needs a plan, and frankly, the Mountain West is as good as any.

CU has an athletic revenue problem, and it is one of the main reasons for the recent decline of CU athletics. Joining the Pac-X would solve that issue considering the massive TV deal the conference would garner, and would allow CU to be much more competitive than it is today. It would also further expose CU to its traditional recruiting grounds of California (for all sports, not just football) and Texas.

Joining the MWC in any combination would be more deadly than CU's current situation in the Big 12.

You and others are mistaking this potential realignment as having something to do with the current state of athletic departments in terms of on field success. Historically, CU is one of the most successful schools in the country, both athletically and academically. The school also happens to be placed in the 16th largest television market in the country. This deal is all about television contracts, nothing more, nothing less. And if you live in Colorado, you would be remiss to underestimate the number of Californians and Texans living in the state. These are the factors that are at play, none of it has to do with the current state of athletics at CU.

Garcia Bronco
06-07-2010, 09:59 PM
I think Missouri and NU bolt and the big 12 picks up two teams to replace them.

Steve Sewell
06-07-2010, 10:04 PM
I think Missouri and NU bolt and the big 12 picks up two teams to replace them.

Who would they pick up, and how would that garner a television contract on par with what a Pac 16 that includes the Texas and Colorado markets? If NU and MU bolt the dominoes will fall.

Durango
06-07-2010, 10:35 PM
CU has an athletic revenue problem, and it is one of the main reasons for the recent decline of CU athletics. Joining the Pac-X would solve that issue considering the massive TV deal the conference would garner, and would allow CU to be much more competitive than it is today. It would also further expose CU to its traditional recruiting grounds of California (for all sports, not just football) and Texas.

Joining the MWC in any combination would be more deadly than CU's current situation in the Big 12.

You and others are mistaking this potential realignment as having something to do with the current state of athletic departments in terms of on field success. Historically, CU is one of the most successful schools in the country, both athletically and academically. The school also happens to be placed in the 16th largest television market in the country. This deal is all about television contracts, nothing more, nothing less. And if you live in Colorado, you would be remiss to underestimate the number of Californians and Texans living in the state. These are the factors that are at play, none of it has to do with the current state of athletics at CU.

So, you actually believe C-U would be competitive in a Pacific Conference division that probably would include Texas and Oklahoma? I don't. Maybe once in a while, the Buffs garner a top recruit as they do occasionally today, and maybe once in a while they knock off an Oklahoma or Texas as they have recently. But on a consistent basis, I imagine C-U will get out-recruited, outplayed and probably hammered into humility on a fairly regular basis.

In the Mountain West, they have, at the very least, a fighters chance to challenge on a regular basis, and while a BSC berth wouldn't be automatic, it won't be every third decade either.

DBroncos4life
06-07-2010, 10:40 PM
NU needs to get the hell out of the B12. Its all about the South. Even if NU returns to power we will get hammered because the North is so bad it's not even funny. There is no reason for NU to want to stay in the B12.

broncocalijohn
06-07-2010, 10:41 PM
I think Notre Dame's struggle with joining the Big 10 is the guarantee that they can play Navy, Air Force and Army every year with the option of Mary's Nun College or The School for the Blind. Tough to play 4 of those and still squeeze in league teams like Ohio State and Wisconsin.

Jens1893
06-07-2010, 11:58 PM
CU has an athletic revenue problem, and it is one of the main reasons for the recent decline of CU athletics. Joining the Pac-X would solve that issue considering the massive TV deal the conference would garner, and would allow CU to be much more competitive than it is today. It would also further expose CU to its traditional recruiting grounds of California (for all sports, not just football) and Texas.

That and a lack of support for higher education in the State of Colorado by the guys in the building with the golden dome on Capitol Hill.

Jens1893
06-08-2010, 01:45 AM
People have always debated whether she forced that issue, but the local Waco newspaper stated it again just yesterday:

http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/spt/stories/083006dnspobaylortcusf.4bf22e33.html

BroncoBuff
06-08-2010, 05:39 AM
NU needs to get the hell out of the B12. Its all about the South. Even if NU returns to power we will get hammered because the North is so bad it's not even funny. There is no reason for NU to want to stay in the B12.

You have all that backwards. The Big 8 used to be the Big 2 plus occassionally Colorado or Missouri popping up, and Nebraska always did well nationally then. But with a tougher conference schedule, they'll risk falling out of BCS contention with a regular season loss.

And b-calijohn, don't forget USC.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
06-08-2010, 06:02 AM
That and a lack of support for higher education in the State of Colorado by the guys in the building with the golden dome on Capitol Hill.

His name is Doug Bruce.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-08-2010, 07:00 AM
In the Mountain West, they have, at the very least, a fighters chance to challenge on a regular basis, and while a BSC berth wouldn't be automatic, it won't be every third decade either.

Yeah, so CU is going through one of their worst stretches in program history, and they should just cut tail and run and never try to compete again. That makes sense.

Kid A
06-08-2010, 08:40 AM
You have all that backwards. The Big 8 used to be the Big 2 plus occassionally Colorado or Missouri popping up, and Nebraska always did well nationally then. But with a tougher conference schedule, they'll risk falling out of BCS contention with a regular season loss.

And b-calijohn, don't forget USC.

Pretty true. By the 90s CU was the only consistent competition because OU pretty much sucked. Still, I don't think maintaining an "easy" schedule should be our first priority (not that I'm sold the Big Ten currently represents that much more of a difficult slate).

enjolras
06-08-2010, 09:02 AM
Keep in mind... CU was on the cusp of a national championship appearance in 2001. A very competitive CU program is not a terribly distant memory.

Doggcow
06-08-2010, 10:12 AM
PAC-10?

I thought that it was the PAC-1.

1? You mean UCLA? Because they are a pemier Basketball program almost every year?

Or do you mean USC? Because they are almost always a top 5 BCS team?

Or do you mean Oregon State? As they crush in baseball every year?

Or do you mean Stanford? As they rank among the best in the nation academically, and in Women's Bball, and Volleyball?

Or do you mean ASU? As they are hotter than your school?

Or do you mean Oregon? As they have way more uniforms than the rest of the country combined?

etc. etc.

DomCasual
06-08-2010, 10:13 AM
1? You mean UCLA? Because they are a pemier Basketball program almost every year?

Or do you mean USC? Because they are almost always a top 5 BCS team?

Or do you mean Oregon State? As they crush in baseball every year?

Or do you mean Stanford? As they rank among the best in the nation academically, and in Women's Bball, and Volleyball?

Or do you mean ASU? As they are hotter than your school?

Or do you mean Oregon? As they have way more uniforms than the rest of the country combined?

etc. etc.

That last one was a nice touch. :)

TheElusiveKyleOrton
06-08-2010, 10:38 AM
Stanford also has top notch golf programs.

UW has a great tennis program, or did, when I was looking at schools.

CU fits well with the Pac 10. Who knows what will happen though.

Jens1893
06-08-2010, 11:28 AM
Texas PR Department update

You scared yet, Nebraska?

Texas (while holding pocket sevens): Hey, Nebraska, why don´t you fold on your pocket aces because we say so?


So we wait.

Each day gives Baylor another opportunity to marshal its political forces and gives Colorado another day to float silly scenarios like eyeing a jump to the Mountain West.

Each day gives Missouri and Nebraska fans more time to hope Notre Dame decides by June 15 to stand alone so they can say they finally stuck it to Texas.

The worst-case scenario for Nebraska would be to say no thanks to the Big 12, allow the Big 12 South schools to start negotiating with the Pac-10, only to see Notre Dame ultimately change its mind, land in the Big Ten, and leave Nebraska with the not-so-unthinkable scenario of joining Missouri, Colorado, Kansas and Kansas State in the Mountain West.

SoonerBronco
06-08-2010, 11:56 AM
Texas PR Department update

You scared yet, Nebraska?

Texas (while holding pocket sevens): Hey, Nebraska, why don´t you fold on your pocket aces because we say so?


Boy that would sure suck for the Huskers...

Dukes
06-08-2010, 11:58 AM
Keep in mind... CU was on the cusp of a national championship appearance in 2001. A very competitive CU program is not a terribly distant memory.

Dan Hawkins says otherwise.

Kid A
06-08-2010, 12:03 PM
Ideally, I don't think NU will tell the Big XII no if they don't have an invite from the Big 10 in hand. The fast paced timing of all this is what makes that difficult. Everyone has accelerated their processes so fast that getting a Big 10 invite before the Friday "deadline" could be tricky. I think NU has already asked for that deadline to be pushed back a few days.

The whole ND thing is only getting more confusing. Their are three different stories floating around the internet:

-ND will only come in if they are only expansion team (team #12 for the Big Ten). This would possibly (but not necessarily) stop most of the expansion and movement being discussed. ND would do this because they can get more money if it's split 12 ways, as oppossed to another 2-4 teams getting part of the pot.

-ND, Nebraska, and Missouri will all get invites in the coming week. Saw this on a couple sites, including some media folks claiming insider info. Not clear if this scenario excludes the possibility of adding 2 Big East schools later. I assumes ND joins in this scenario just to get in a "super-conference" for stability before everything goes to ****?

-ND only joins once it is clear the Big 10 is going to 16, thus destroying the Big East (and Big XII). This is pretty much ND having their hand forces, as being an independent is not as appealing in a world where there could very well be four 16 team "super-conferences" trying to organize.

Edit:

And, of course I guess option 4. ND stays indie, with Nebraska being one of the more likely teams the Big Ten goes after for plan B.

jhns
06-08-2010, 12:21 PM
If teams do switch conferences, when do they actually join the new ones?

Jens1893
06-08-2010, 12:25 PM
CU regents to meet tonight to discuss a switch to the Pac X.

24champ
06-08-2010, 12:28 PM
If teams do switch conferences, when do they actually join the new ones?

Assuming these invites come soon, then 2011 is the season that they start playing in their new Conferences.

Mountain Bronco
06-08-2010, 12:30 PM
^^^ I read somewhere that it wouldn't be until the 2012-2013 season because that is when the new TV contracts come into play.

SoonerBronco
06-08-2010, 01:06 PM
ESPN Gameday reporting that NU and Mizzou have been invited to the Big 10, ND not interested in joining.

http://www.tigerboard.com/boards/missouri-tigers.php?message=7628220

bronco militia
06-08-2010, 01:12 PM
ESPN Gameday reporting that NU and Mizzou have been invited to the Big 10, ND not interested in joining.

http://www.tigerboard.com/boards/missouri-tigers.php?message=7628220

where's the espn link?

Hercules Rockefeller
06-08-2010, 01:14 PM
Excellent, hopefully the regents make the rght call.

Rohirrim
06-08-2010, 01:14 PM
The real suck about this is that if CU did join the Pac 10 and get a much bigger chunk of money, the aholes running the school sure as hell wouldn't spend that money on improving the football program.

oubronco
06-08-2010, 01:53 PM
Iowa State seeing the handwriting on the wall


http://ames.craigslist.org/wan/1780238352.html (http://ames.craigslist.org/wan/1780238352.html)


Quote:
<TABLE border=0 cellSpacing=0 cellPadding=6 width="100%"><TBODY><TR><TD style="BORDER-BOTTOM: 1px inset; BORDER-LEFT: 1px inset; BORDER-TOP: 1px inset; BORDER-RIGHT: 1px inset" class=alt2>Wanted: New Athletic Conference.

152-year-old Land-Grant University seeks new Athletic Conference after potentially being hung out to dry by its current Athletic Conference.

We are a current member of the American Association of Universities and invented a little something called the computer. Ever hear of that bia?

We have had moderate success in collegiate athletics - moreso in the “Olympic Sports” that no one claims to care about, but will still boast about because they totally save our asses when it comes to **** like the Learfield Sports Directors' Cup (we’re currently 31st, btw).

Our football and men’s basketball programs are on the rise, however, thanks to the hiring of two hometown heroes. We even won a bowl game last year. (Can you say that Kansas State? I didn’t think so.)

We also know how to throw a mean party and our local law enforcement are “well-versed” in riot control (burning dumpsters rolling down Campustown are optional).

We’re used to being the whipping boy for other teams, but have been known to turn it around and take someone by surprise (I’m looking at you, Nebraska).

We would like to find a conference that respects us for who we are and doesn’t look at us as bottom-feeders. But, who are we kidding, we’ll gladly take anything if it means increased TV exposure and money. That goes for you Big 10, are you listening?

Missouri Valley Conference need not apply. For more information, please see www.widerightandnattylight.com (http://www.widerightandnattylight.com)

Also - Free to good home (or any home): one Big 12 Athletic Conference Commissioner. “Loyal” (as long as your name rhymes with “exas”) but wishy-washy. Has a tendency to **** the bed when faced with adversity. No returns. </TD></TR></TBODY></TABLE>

DomCasual
06-08-2010, 02:44 PM
I don't know if it's been posted, but here's a great article by Dan Wetzel about all of this.

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/news?slug=dw-expansion060610


Big 12 blew it by eschewing playoff
Dan Wetzel

By Dan Wetzel, Yahoo! Sports Jun 6, 9:28 pm EDT


Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe all but killed his own conference on April 30, 2008.

That’s when he decided to team up with the Big Ten and Pac-10 to reject a four-team playoff being pushed by the SEC and ACC. If the Big 12 (and/or the Big East) had supported it, the so-called “Plus One” model likely would’ve happened.

Even that modest playoff would have meant hundreds of millions of additional revenue for college athletics. It would have then allowed for easy expansion for an even more lucrative 16-team postseason. That would have solved all the monetary concerns that have left the Big 12 on the verge of collapse at the hands of its one-time allies, the Big Ten and Pac-10.

Big Ten commissioner Jim Delany admitted to Congress a 16-team playoff could gross four times what the current Bowl Championship Series does – in other words about $900 million annually.

He opposed it anyway. Beebe and the others never seemed to ask why. They’re finding out now.

Conference expansion is about to forever alter college athletics: destroying traditions, hammering taxpayers and increasing competition. It will leave once-major programs out of the loop, consolidate power and extend the gap between haves and have nots – even within leagues such as the Big Ten.

No one is in a more desperate spot than the Big 12, which this week could see as many as eight league members receive invites to leave.

It’s all because of money. And when it comes to money in college athletics it all comes back to one thing – the leaking oil disaster that is the BCS.

There are two major revenue streams left in college sports – football television contracts and a football postseason. (The men’s basketball tournament is essentially maxed out.)
Larry Scott

It’s clear now that Delany used opposition to a football playoff not to preserve some bit of “tradition.” His expansion plans clearly indicate he cares nothing about that. It certainly wasn’t done for the sake of aiding Big Ten football, since a playoff with on-campus home games likely would’ve helped his teams.

The goal was to starve out the Big 12, Big East and even the ACC of the hundreds of millions a playoff would’ve given them and thus turn the future of college sports into a battle of television sets.

Delany couldn’t assure that the Big Ten would’ve done well in a football playoff. Maybe the league would’ve succeeded, maybe not. With 26 percent of the nation’s population, tradition rich clubs and its own cable network though, the Big Ten will always dominate if everything boils down to TV revenue.

It was a genius, cut-throat play. He set the terms of the game so he’d win. The Pac-10, led by aggressive new commissioner Larry Scott, is taking advantage also. I’m not blaming Delany here. I may not believe a 16-team Big Ten (or Pac-10) is in the best interest of the league’s current members (or the NCAA as a whole), but it’s not that big of a deal to me. Whatever happens, happens. Besides, it’s not Delany’s fault he’s smarter than the other guys.

Am I being too hard on Beebe? Not even close. He’s been played like a fiddle. In April, while Delany was assuring the other commissioners his league wouldn’t contact schools about expansion without informing them first, Beebe offered this bit of naïvete.

“I expect that Jim, who I have known for many, many years and trust implicitly, [will] do what he said he’s going to do,” Beebe said. “If and when the time comes that they’re going to do anything – and if that includes any of the institutions in the Big 12 – he’ll let me know first.”

This week the Columbus Dispatch printed emails between Delany and Ohio State president Gordon Gee that detailed Gee reaching out to the University of Texas to broach interest about the Big Ten.

So much for Mr. “Trust Implicitly.”

Why Beebe and Big East commissioner Mike Tranghese ever felt safe with Delany is a mystery. The guy is an assassin. He’s always been public about his desire to do whatever he feels is best for the Big Ten (or at least his “legacy”).

Rather than helping him block the Plus One, they should’ve been explaining to their presidents that a full playoff was imperative to survival.

And let’s forget the ridiculous notion that the presidents are vehemently opposed to a playoff. The presidents will do whatever their commissioner says. It’s always been that case and the expansion chaos proves it. Ohio State’s Gee has been an anti-playoff guy in part because of “missed class time,” even if none would be missed under a playoff that takes place during semester break.

Yet now he’s in favor of adding Texas to the Big Ten, meaning he’ll ship all of his athletes all the way to Austin which would cause … missed class time for hundreds of students.

It’s all a pile of garbage. Here’s guessing the schools that could be left behind – which could include Kansas, Kansas State, Baylor, Iowa State, Colorado, Louisville, West Virginia, South Florida and so on – will soon be furious they weren’t told the truth about what they were really opposing. The Plus One wasn’t a postseason plan, it was a lifeline.

Those presidents deserve their own blame, of course. They should’ve learned the truth about the BCS and recognized the need to find revenue outside of just television deals. They should’ve been building their own alliance for a richer and more equitable postseason.

In 2008, the smaller leagues and Notre Dame would’ve almost assuredly gone along. The ACC and SEC were clearly open to discussion. If a 16-team playoff wasn’t possible, at the very least the Plus One was. It’d be a different ballgame right now if just that was in place.

Instead the leagues blindly followed along with a revenue model that has left them susceptible to destruction.

This isn’t the time to deal with all the issues surrounding the BCS or explain how a 16-team playoff works (on the field or in the checkbook). I’ve covered it extensively in the past and helped write a book on the subject – “Death to the BCS,” due out in October. Sorry for the shameless plug, but when I say it takes an entire book to show all the scams and lies that really power the system, I mean it.

Just know this, the BCS offers not a single, real world, tangible benefit to college athletics. Its only defense is that it’s better than the old system, which isn’t saying much.

Financially is where it performs most poorly. The current bowl system/BCS generated $220 million in gross revenue in 2008-09 and just $140 million in profit due to the high cost of keeping most bowl games afloat. If this sounds good, it isn’t.

Delany estimates a playoff could gross $880 million. The more conservative, yet exhaustively researched estimate we used in the book comes in at around $780 million. In each case profits would exceed $700 million, meaning the BCS is costing college athletics over half a billion in annual profit.

Delany was one of the people instrumental in hiring public relations flaks Ari Fleischer and Bill Hancock to spread factually bankrupt propaganda about the system in an effort to create the illusion of a debate – hey, maybe the BCS works! Please. It doesn’t. The current chaos is just the latest proof. The real purpose of the PR campaign was merely to buy time for the Big Ten Network to get fully operational.

The BCS has killed everyone financially. It’s killed them to the point only a dozen or so schools break even each year on athletics. Most athletic departments need student fees or taxpayer funded general university budgets to cover expenses (nearly $900 million combined in 2008-09 according to USA Today).

That includes even Big Ten schools such as Illinois ($4.5 million), Wisconsin ($3.4 million) and Minnesota ($3.4 million). Even a powerhouse such as Ohio State needed to raise ticket prices this year to balance future books.

All while that pile of playoff money sat there, untapped.

Protecting the BCS wasn’t about greed. It wasn’t about determining a real champion. It was about power. Now the Pac-10 and Big Ten have it.

The 16-team playoff was the only route to save the Big 12, Big East and likely the ACC as it now is constructed. Under our detailed plan (essentially the NCAA’s model for lower divisions), every time a team plays a game it would receive a share of revenue, in this case $25 million.

Consider the 2008-09 season where Big 12 members Oklahoma, Texas and Texas Tech all would’ve been selected. If the seeds held, those clubs would’ve combined to play nine playoff games meaning the league would’ve walked with $225 million in revenue. The conference then could’ve written each league school an $18.75 million check just from the playoff. That year the Big Ten would’ve earned just three shares for $75 million, a per team share of $6.8 million.

If that’s happening, do you think Missouri and Nebraska still want out? You think the Big Ten’s TV revenue advantage still matters?

This all goes back to the cost of inaction, the penalty for not dealing with the sport’s most pressing problem.

There should be no reason for these leagues to expand (other than the Big Ten adding one team).

Sixteen-team leagues won’t make life better for anyone. They’ll likely prove to be logistical and philosophical wars. The commissioners have sold the public on the idea that more money is always a good thing – using the fail-proof, if unproven, “it’s good for recruiting” line. Here’s the thing, if all your rivals build a new weight room, then recruits aren’t impressed with a new weight room.

It won’t be better for fans or players or even, in many regards, coaches, who will face greater demands for success. More money only means something to the small group of people (athletic directors, commissioners, coaches) who will see their already huge salaries grow, will be able to charter more private planes and will continue to justify remodeling their already opulent “facilities.”

If you’re a powerhouse in your league, why would you want to change anything? It isn’t getting better for Texas and Oklahoma than the current Big 12, where the two programs have reached five of the last seven BCS title games.

If you’re in the middle of the pack, why would you add more competition in recruiting and a watered-down schedule? If you’re Minnesota or Northwestern and trying to sell tickets, do you want more Rutgers home games and less Ohio State? Or to deal with Nebraska recruiting the Twin Cities or Chicagoland?

It’s almost assuredly too late for the Big 12 and the Big East to make the bold moves that could save them.

They could try though. If Beebe and current Big East commissioner John Marinatto want to display real leadership, they can tell their current members to sit tight and allow them to build a consensus for a real football postseason that will solve all their revenue problems. They need to stand up and declare Armageddon is here and it’s time to get serious. The other leagues and Notre Dame would be all for it. The SEC and ACC would be smart to approve simply as a defense against Big Ten and Pac-10 aggression. Or in the ACC’s case, the inevitable SEC pillaging of its teams.

Go ahead and dare the Big Ten and Pac-10 to not come along. See how long Gordon Gee lasts as Ohio State president when he tells Buckeye fans they will no longer be competing for the national title. In the meantime, send your recruiters to Cleveland and Detroit.

A 16-team playoff could be up and running by 2014 – which would immediately change all the revenue models.

Then Beebe could show that teams such as Nebraska and Texas could make more money while enjoying a clearer road to that thrilling postseason by staying home. He would be able to offer a future that’s brighter than the one offered by the Big Ten or Pac-10.

At the end of the day this has always been about the BCS and billions in revenue it has cost cash-starved college athletics.

Jim Delany just didn’t tell his peers. And they weren’t smart enough to figure it out themselves.

NFLBRONCO
06-08-2010, 02:55 PM
Excellent, hopefully the regents make the rght call.

I hope so but, still nervous with this crew.

DomCasual
06-08-2010, 02:55 PM
Man, the more I read about this, the more I hope those whining Baylor people get stuck in the Missouri Valley Conference, or something similar.

"'If you're going to have an exported commodity involved in this, do you think we're going to allow a school from outside the state of Texas to replace one of our schools in the Big 12 South? I don't think so. We're already at work on this'" the site quoted a a high-ranking member of the Texas Legislature as saying.

The source said that there is a block of 15 legislators working to make sure that Baylor, not Colorado, is invited to join the Pac-10. The source pointed to the political and economic importance of keeping the Big 12's Texas schools together as well as Colorado's recent athletic struggles and lack of sports such as baseball, softball and men's tennis."

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5256377

loborugger
06-08-2010, 03:54 PM
Man, the more I read about this, the more I hope those whining Baylor people get stuck in the Missouri Valley Conference, or something similar.



Baylor is like a fat chick begging her three other friends (1 smoking hot, and the other 2 fairly attractive) to make sure they never go out clubbing without her 'cuz she knows the only way she will talk to any dudes if a by product of being close to her friends...

http://www.faniq.com/images/blog/SteelersFan%5B1%5D.JPG

DomCasual
06-08-2010, 04:00 PM
Dear Baylor,

Thank you so much for maintaining loyalty to your family. It is so refreshing to see one of our brothers talk about sticking together, rather than simply going after that which is self-serving. We only hope there will be a day when we can return the favor!

Best regards,
Southern Methodist University, Rice University, the University of Houston, and Texas Christian University

http://www.wacotrib.com/sports/Armageddon-for-our-university--Baylor-regent-to-Texas-legislators-Dont-split-Texas-teams.html

'Armageddon' for Baylor? Regent to legislators: Don't split Texas teams

By John Werner and Michael W. Shapiro Tribune-Herald staff writers
Monday June 7, 2010

A powerful Baylor University regent is rallying alumni legislators to make a full-court press to keep the Bears aligned with their historic Texas athletic rivals, whether they remain in the Big 12 or defect to the Pac-10 Conference.

If the University of Texas and other Big 12 South schools left for another conference without Baylor, it would be “Armageddon for our university,” Neal T. “Buddy” Jones wrote Friday in an e-mail to the legislators.

Jones’ list included 15 Baylor graduates in the Texas Legislature, including state Rep. Jim Dunnam, D-Waco, and state Sen. Kirk Watson, D-Austin.

Jones has asked the legislators to call high-ranking officials at the University of Texas, Texas A&M University and Texas Tech University to lobby for Baylor.

If those schools defect to the Pac-10, Baylor instead of Colorado should join them, Jones said.

Pac-10 Commissioner Larry Scott was authorized Sunday to pursue the league’s expansion. The Pac-10 plans to decide by the end of the year whether to expand before negotiating a new television contract for 2012-13.

Jones, an Austin lobbyist and former state representative, wrote that he still hopes the Big 12 can stick together. But if conference teams defect to the Pac-10, as is being discussed, Baylor should go with them, Jones said.

“If some schools in the Big 12 North feel compelled to go elsewhere . . . the next-best scenario is to keep all six schools from the Big 12 South as a package deal,” Jones wrote Friday. “Do not leave Baylor out.

“Make it clear that when it comes to our four Texas schools, it is all for one and one for all!! Please do not break up the history and working relationship we have nurtured over the decades.”

Reports have indicated that if the Pac-10 invites six Big 12 teams, it would target Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, the University of Oklahoma, Oklahoma State University and University of Colorado. However, Baylor is hoping the Pac-10 will take the entire Big 12 South if it chooses to expand.

Watson said he would work behind the scenes to keep Texas Tech, Texas A&M, UT and Baylor together. He said the historic rivalries among those schools are economically important to the whole state.

“There’s value in holding those four schools together,” he said. “We don’t need a crystal ball to see the value in that; we’ve seen the value in that for 14 years.”

Though the Texas Legislature has no control over athletic conferences, state officials have used the power of the purse over the big state schools in the past. In 1996, pressure by then-Lt. Gov. Bob Bullock and Waco state Sen. David Sibley ensured that Baylor stuck with the state schools when they switched from the Southwest Conference to the Big 12.

Sibley is now in a race to regain his old seat as state senator after Kip Averitt recently stepped down.

“It’s appropriate for the Baylor family to touch base with the other Texas schools,” Averitt said. “We need to continue our tradition and rivalries. Plus, it’s a huge, huge economic deal.”

The future of the Big 12 could be shaped within the next two weeks. The league reportedly has asked the league for a firm commitment from the University of Nebraska and the University of Missouri by June 15. Both schools reportedly have been targeted by the Big Ten for expansion.

In a column submitted Sunday for the Waco Tribune-Herald, Baylor University President Ken Starr said he is fighting to keep Baylor from being separated from its Big 12 rivals, “working to counter a significant and historic threat to the university.” He said he is “guardedly optimistic” of success.

“The situation is extremely fluid right now,” he wrote. “It is our understanding that the Pac-10 Conference may be preparing to invite six Big 12 members to join a proposed 16-team megaconference.

“Recent news reports have indicated that Baylor’s stock is rising and that it could be included among the teams invited to form a new conference,” he wrote. “What we do know is this: The Lone Star state schools of the Big 12 should stick together. That’s what’s in the best interests of Baylor, of Texas and of our own community, here in Waco.”

Jens1893
06-08-2010, 04:09 PM
I wonder if Mexico wants Texas back ...

gunns
06-08-2010, 04:58 PM
Man, the more I read about this, the more I hope those whining Baylor people get stuck in the Missouri Valley Conference, or something similar.

"'If you're going to have an exported commodity involved in this, do you think we're going to allow a school from outside the state of Texas to replace one of our schools in the Big 12 South? I don't think so. We're already at work on this'" the site quoted a a high-ranking member of the Texas Legislature as saying.

The source said that there is a block of 15 legislators working to make sure that Baylor, not Colorado, is invited to join the Pac-10. The source pointed to the political and economic importance of keeping the Big 12's Texas schools together as well as Colorado's recent athletic struggles and lack of sports such as baseball, softball and men's tennis."

http://sports.espn.go.com/dallas/ncf/news/story?id=5256377

Could not agree more.

This isn’t the time to deal with all the issues surrounding the BCS or explain how a 16-team playoff works (on the field or in the checkbook). I’ve covered it extensively in the past and helped write a book on the subject – “Death to the BCS,” due out in October. Sorry for the shameless plug, but when I say it takes an entire book to show all the scams and lies that really power the system, I mean it.


No, I'm shocked.

ZachKC
06-08-2010, 05:05 PM
This is ****ing hilarious.

http://www.bringonthecats.com/2010/6/7/1506558/adventures-of-the-big-12-twelve

Behind closed doors at the Big 12's annual meetings, the boys got together to hash out the topics of the day. You know...important things like where we're going to hold the Women's Basketball tournament for the next three years.

Just kidding. Only Baylor cares about that.

Anyway, everyone knows that's not what was on everyone's mind. And, thankfully, through the power of 'multiple sources', we have a strong report of what happened when the gang got together in Kansas City this week.

Enjoy. It may be the last time this current group gets together for their usual shenanigans.

----

Texas: I call this meeting to order. Today's agenda topic: Who stays and who goes. I'm looking for a quick vote. Obviously, I like bossing all of you around, so I'm in. Oklahoma?

Oklahoma: Hell, I'll stay. Do you really think I want to join the SEC or Pac-10? I still go into shell shock when a woman asks me if I have a Trojan on me, or if I walk past a store in the mall that sells 'Crocs'.

Oklahoma State: In, yo. I'm afraid if I take this game to LA, I may get shot.

Colorado: Staying. Unless the Pac-10 offers, and then I'll leave so fast there will be burn marks in the carpet. But they don't want me without you guys, so I'm probably still stuck with you assholes.

Missouri: Anyone know where the nearest U-Haul place is?

Texas: Jesus, can you be more obvious?

Missouri: What? Do you think I like being irrelevant? Do you think I like hoarding championships in ****ing Softball? And it's not even the cool softball where you drink and wear inappropriate t-shirts that say things like "Balls Going Deep". It's the lesbian kind of softball where half of the cars in the parking lot are pink Cadillacs, and the chicks that show up wear visors and Birkenstocks.

Kansas State: I'm not really into PC, but there's a lot wrong with what you just said...

Missouri: You know what? I don't care. I'm going to go the Big Ten, wipe my ass with piles of TV money, and spend my winters buried in lake effects snow.

Texas: Wiping your ass with money is awesome.

Missouri: So, yeah, I'm out. **** you, **** you, (points at Kansas) and double **** you.

Kansas: Well, that wasn't nice.

Texas: Alright, order...ORDER! Kansas State, what are you doing?

Kansas State: Are you kidding me? Do you think I want to join the Mountain West? In. A thousand times in.

Kansas: (Whispers to his attorney...) My lawyer says that it would be in my best interest to stay.

Kansas State: Your lawyer?

Kansas: At this point, I have the FBI and IRS so far up my ass that they've set up a branch office in my colon. So, I'm taking him wherever I go.

Kansas' Lawyer: No more questions.

Texas: What an embarrassment. Tech?

Texas Tech: In. I go where you go my liege.

Baylor: God spoke with me last night, and he said that I should form a conference with other like religious institutions supported by the Almighty himself. However, he said I had to fire Scott Drew because he's an Eddie Haskell-style prick of the highest order, and I said, "No." I like being good at basketball now. Also, those Oral Roberts kids creep me out. They're like a cult.

Iowa State: I will do anything to stay in this conference. Anything. I am not above handing out sexual favors, and I don't care who asks for it.

Texas: So if I ask you to have sex with a dirty hobo, you'll do it?

Iowa State: Absolutely. You can even tape it if you'd like. That would be a hundred times better than joining the MAC.

Texas: Alright, we'll put that on the agenda for tonight after dinner and drinks at Tomfooleries. Nebraska, what say you?

Nebraska: I am 100% committed to exploring all of my options.

Texas: Huh?

Nebraska: I am fully invested in this conference unless something better comes along.

Oklahoma: How does sitting on that fence feel?

Nebraska: It kind of chafes.

Texas: And, finally, I'm afraid to ask. A&M?

Texas A&M: I want to join the sex conference.

(Texas puts his face in his palms...)

Texas: Do you mean the SEC conference?

Texas A&M: Yeah, I want to join the sex conference.

Oklahoma: I think we should let him go.

Texas: We can't. The state legislature says he can't go anywhere without me.

(Texas A&M puts his mouth over the microphone in front of him on the table and tries to swallow it...)

Texas: Alright, so we've got ten stays, one go, and one guy who can't seem to figure out what he wants to do. Nebraska, what can we do to get you off of the fence?

Nebraska: Nothing really. Joining the Big Ten is appealing. I mean, it's like a time warp. Neither of us have really been relevant since the late 90's, so it will be kind of comforting to be amongst like-minded people. Michigan called me and invited me over for a 90210 and Melrose Place marathon.

Oklahoma: That's really sad.

Nebraska: Look, I want to be with other people who think time stopped after the late 90's. Do you know how much being me sucks right now? I haven't won a conference championship in ELEVEN years. Hell, even Kansas State over there has won a conference title since I have.

Kansas State: Kicked your ass too.

Nebraska: **** off. And my basketball program is an embarrassment. In the Big Ten, Sadler ball will be considered 'up tempo', and my waning baseball program will be one of the southern most schools, so I'll have a leg up there.

Texas: Everything you just said there makes me sad.

Nebraska: You're sad? The only reason I'm not sad is because my entire state has been on Prozac since Tom Osborne retired. Do you really think we like Pelini? The guy wears sweatshirts on the sideline. SWEATSHIRTS. The guys in the navy blue polo shirts at Wal-Mart that greet me when I walk in look and act more professional than he does.

Oklahoma: Have you considered therapy?

Iowa State: I know a guy...

Dan Beebe: Hey, guys, what's up?

Texas: Dan, go back to your computer, keep playing Minesweeper, and we'll call you when we're done.

Beebe: Sure thing, boss.

Texas Tech: That was kind of harsh, don't you think?

Texas: He should be thankful he still has a job. We used a cardboard cutout of him a few weeks ago at a function with a tape player attached to its back looping random, non-committal statements, and no one knew it wasn't him until Baylor tried to hand him a plate of barbecued chicken and it dropped to the floor.

Texas A&M: I ate that chicken.

Oklahoma: Of course you did.

Texas A&M: It tasked like chicken.

Kansas State: I just...nevermind.

Iowa State: You guys will take him with you and not me?

Texas: He brings more televisions than you do.

Iowa State: But he's retarded!

Texas: He's not retarded; he's just misunderstood. He hasn't always been this way.

Iowa State: He's pissing himself again. Am I misunderstanding that?

(Texas A&M smiles as the warm urine runs down his leg...)

Texas: (Looks at A&M...) Look, I can't defend you forever. At some point, you're going to need to snap out of this.

Texas Tech: I've always wondered what goes on inside his head.

(Texas A&M stares at the wall...)

(Dan Beebe lets out a shriek at his computer...)

Texas: Dan, don't worry. We all hit the mine from time to time.

Beebe: No, that's not it. The Pac-10 is going to offer six of you.

Kansas: Thank God! Screw you assholes!

Beebe: They don't want you.

Missouri: HA HA.

Kansas State: Suck it.

Beebe: They don't want you either.

Kansas State: Well, duh.

Texas Tech: Who do they want?

Beebe: Texas, A&M, Tech, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, and Colorado.

Colorado: Oh happy daaaaaaayyyyyy!

Texas Tech: Thank you sire!

Oklahoma: I'm going to get sick...yep, here it comes.

(Oklahoma vomits...)

Oklahoma State: ****. I'm gonna get shot.

Texas: Calm down, guys. We all want to stick around, right? Well, let's not jump the gun here. If we're all in this together, we'll stay. Nebraska, you in?

Nebraska: I'm firmly set on exploring all of my options.

Texas: Goddamnit. Make up your damn mind. Missouri?

Missouri: Kiss my ass.

Texas: Do either of you even have an offer from the Big Ten?

Missouri: It's just a technicality. I'll get one. Eventually.

Oklahoma: You sure you want to take that bet?

Missouri: I'd rather shoot for the moon than hang out with you assholes.

Texas: Alright, **** it. Enjoy Conference USA.

Colorado: Wait, we're not going to the Pac-10?

Texas: Not if we don't have to.

Colorado: Jesus Christ. I finally, through sheer dumb luck, get a shot at getting what I want, and you assholes start cock-blocking me. Screw all of you, I'm out of here.

Beebe: Wait, the Pac-10 said that they may take Baylor instead of you.

Colorado: SON OF A BITCH!!!

Texas: Alright, Colorado's back in. Nebraska, Missouri...it's on you now. You have until Friday to figure this out.

Nebraska: I will stay if you can promise me that the Big 12 Championship will be played in Kansas City at least every other year.

Texas: Let's not get unreasonable now.

Nebraska: Unreasonable? UNREASONABLE??? You take all of the money, get all of the good TV spots, and now you're getting the title game in the Jerrydome every year. And I'm being unreasonable?

Kansas State: You did kind of vote for the unequal revenue sharing when you were, you know, good at football. Ten years ago.

Oklahoma: Actually, it's been eleven years since they won the Big 12.

Kansas State: I stand corrected. You were good at football eleven years ago.

Nebraska: And you assholes wonder why I want to leave.

Texas: Calm down everyone. Tempers are starting to get in the way of reason. Let's just handle this calmly. Nebraska and Missouri, you have until next Friday to decide if you want to stay with us. If you don't, half of us will go to the Pac-10.

Colorado: It's like a nightmare, but I'm still awake...

Kansas: I literally did not see this coming.

Kansas State: So where do the rest of us go?

Texas: Well, I can put in a good word for you with the Mountain West or Big East.

Iowa State: What about me?

Texas: Have you ever considered trade school?

Kansas: You mean to tell me that my storied basketball program is going to slum in the Mountain West?

Oklahoma: Sorry, dude, but this is about football. And, to be honest, no one is going to party with a dude that's under Federal investigation.

Kansas: Point taken. It's Kansas State's fault.

Kansas State: What the?

Texas: Kansas, you really are an asshole. Everyone said you were, but I always gave you the benefit of the doubt. But, yeah, you really do suck.

Kansas State: THANK YOU!!!

Missouri: Ha ha!

Beebe: If anyone needs me, I'm going to head to the ****ter.

Texas A&M: Me too. I'm going to the ****ter for some head.

(Everyone stares blankly at A&M...)

Texas: I think we're done here. Everyone, we've got a week to figure this out. Go to your corners, make your calls, and we'll hash this out later. Nebraska and Missouri, the ball is in your court.

ZachKC
06-08-2010, 05:08 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5265439

KU may be without major conference

LAWRENCE, Kan. -- For the Kansas Jayhawks and their proud basketball heritage, all this could not be more demeaning.

All of a sudden, Kansas' status as a major player in college athletics has been placed in the hands of Nebraska and -- humiliation of humiliations -- archrival Missouri.

While those two decide whether to abandon the Big 12 for the more lucrative Big Ten, Kansas sits and sweats. A pullout by the Huskers and Tigers could result in the collapse of the Big 12 and strip Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State of the safety and privileges of membership in a Bowl Championship Series conference.

What about the Jayhawks' attractive basketball program, with three national championships, 53 conference titles and 147 consecutive home sellouts? Where conference expansion is concerned, it apparently counts for nothing. Expansion is all about football and television markets.

While the Huskers and Tigers ponder a move to the Big Ten, there are reports -- not denied by the commissioner -- that the Pac-10 may try to snatch away six other Big 12 schools.

If big-time college sports suddenly embarks on an eat-or-be-eaten explosion of expansion, the Jayhawks' great basketball tradition may not hold any more value than the tennis team.

"It's driving me nuts," coach Bill Self said Tuesday.

Melanie Rollins, a 19-year-old sophomore walking past historic Allen Fieldhouse on her way to class, added: "This is just breaking my heart."

Football has had its moments at the school where Wilt Chamberlain played and basketball inventor James Naismith coached. Nearly 40 years ago, Gale Sayers first flashed his classic moves in creaky old Memorial Stadium. Just two years ago, the Jayhawks upset Virginia Tech in the Orange Bowl for their first victory in a BCS bowl.

But last year, Kansas ended the season on a long losing streak and fired the coach.

Now, a lack of football strength and a paucity of people in a sparsely populated state could leave Kansas and Kansas State both fenced off from a major conference.

"I can hardly believe that we've won three national championships and our football team won the Orange Bowl in the past two years and basically, we could come away with nothing to show for that, that we would be penalized because we live in an area that's not as populated as other areas," Self said.

"This is bad for us. It's really bad for Kansas and Kansas State both. I don't get it. Well, OK, I get it. But I don't like it."

Kansas politicians are calling their counterparts in Nebraska and Missouri, urging them to pressure their schools to stay put. The presidents of Kansas and Kansas State are phoning CEOs at Nebraska and Missouri. Both football coaches at Kansas and Kansas State have contacted Nebraska athletic director Tom Osborne to plead their case.

But as hundreds of youngsters gathered Tuesday for Self's popular basketball camp, the 2009 consensus national coach of the year sounded a warning for colleagues around the country.

"Football is driving the bus," Self said. "There's no question. I'm sure the higher-ups would say it's an entire university situation, but I don't believe that to be the case at all. That's a piece of the equation. But the biggest piece is football.

"To actually change the whole scope of athletics and leave some schools out in the cold that have meant so much for the NCAA and for other institutions, to me, is a pretty tough pill to swallow."

Kansas State president Kirk Schulz attended two days of meetings with other Big 12 executives last week and was disappointed that so little attention was given during expansion talk to the welfare of student-athletes.

"I have a strong concern that we've sort of lost sight of what it is that we're trying to do, with some of these conference realignments," Schulz said. "That was not a strong point at the presidents' meeting."

In the meantime, Kansas sits and stews, waiting for others to determine its fate.

"At first, I thought all this was a joke," said Allison Emmot, who graduated from Kansas a few weeks ago and counts basketball games in Allen Fieldhouse as one of the best parts of her college experience.

"Kansas basketball has such a history. It's shocking that it isn't thought of at all in this."

Meanwhile, Colorado's Board of Regents will meet in secret Tuesday to receive legal advice about the school's possible switch from the Big 12 to the Pac-10, sources told the Boulder Camera.

The university doesn't anticipate any formal action to result from the discussion.

Athletic director Mike Bohn told the newspaper last week that he and other school officials have been led to believe the Pac-10 is on the verge of issuing invitations to six schools in the Big 12 to join its league, including Colorado, Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-08-2010, 05:37 PM
Bohn is at the regents meeting. I realize everyone assumed he would be, but the regents' meeting was only publicised as discussing a legal issue. So I guess it's obviously confirmed as an athletic legal issue, which would be leaving the conference.

Jens1893
06-09-2010, 02:21 AM
What the **** is the Colorado media´s problem with the University of Colorado? First Kiszla comes out with a garbage piece where he says CU should go to the MWC, then Vic Lombardi proudly announces his support for the "CU to Irrelevance!" campaign and now the Denver Post comes out with this ****?

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_15254053#most-popular

Durango
06-09-2010, 03:39 AM
What the **** is the Colorado media´s problem with the University of Colorado? First Kiszla comes out with a garbage piece where he says CU should go to the MWC, then Vic Lombardi proudly announces his support for the "CU to Irrelevance!" campaign and now the Denver Post comes out with this ****?

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_15254053#most-popular

Sorry, I agree with all who promote a C-U move to the Mountain West, IF the Big 12 collapses, which seems inevitable at this point.

Look, These Texas a**holes are going to demand Baylor be included in their little migrating herd. Fine. If C-U doesn't have a plan, they're going to be remnants of a shell conference that will include C-U, Kansas, Kansas State and Iowa State. The SEC isn't going to extend an invitation. The MAC is a joke. The only remaining, credible, Division 1-A conference that MAY be willing to accept C-U is the Mountain West.

If the Pac-X extends an invite AND the Huskers and Tigers bolt to the Big 10+, C-U will probably accept, and while I think C-U instantly becomes a patsy under the heel of Oklanhoma and Texas in an unwinnable division, maybe they'll get the money they think they need to re-build their program in the long term. Even with that reasoning, I still think the best immediate option is the Mountain West. C-U can win there, possibly even excel, there are great potential rivaliries beyond C-S-U in BYU and possibly Boise State. It shouldn't be a prestige thing, it should be a winning thing, and taking the money to play the doormat just seems demeaning and short sighted to me.

TheChamp24
06-09-2010, 06:20 AM
I find it funny how University of Houston alumni/students/reps are acting like they should go to the Pac 10 over Baylor. Like they should be handed the keys to the new Porsche just because they are the University of Houston.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-09-2010, 06:41 AM
What the **** is the Colorado media´s problem with the University of Colorado? First Kiszla comes out with a garbage piece where he says CU should go to the MWC, then Vic Lombardi proudly announces his support for the "CU to Irrelevance!" campaign and now the Denver Post comes out with this ****?

http://www.denverpost.com/opinion/ci_15254053#most-popular

Air Force and Wyoming are not "natural rivals" like everyone in the media wishes they were. Just because those 2 schools are close does not mean CU should be in their conference.

The Denver Post once again shows a complete lack of understanding of the situation.

Travel costs? Does anyone at the DP not realize that San Diego St is in the MWC? How about Vegas for UNLV? What about if they add Boise? Do they not realize that CU would still have to travel a decent distance for some of their games? ****, since there's a recession going on so they should make a long-term decision based on something that will eventually end? Do they not understand how much extra revenue would be generated in a Pac 12 or 16?

I realize Denver is a pro sports town, but Jesus, CU is a half an hour away from downtown. At least pretend you have a somewhat competent understanding of the situation before you weigh in with an editorial.

jhns
06-09-2010, 07:02 AM
I didn't read to see if this was posted but it is all over Omaha news that Nebraska will be part of the Big 10 as early as Friday. The source is "an executive of a Big 12 university". Osborne says conference realignment has been accelerated. Multiple Big 12 officials are claiming news of changes to the Big 12 are going to be annouced Friday.

This is all on the Omaha World Heralds website. I am posting from the Blackberry and can't get a link.

Cmac821
06-09-2010, 07:57 AM
ZachKC that was freaking funny as hell

ColoradoBuff
06-09-2010, 08:16 AM
can't wait till all the dust settles and all this is done!

enjolras
06-09-2010, 08:25 AM
I like Colorado in the Mountain West..IF and ONLY IF the Mountain West becomes a BCS conference. Assuming the collapse of the Big-12, you have to assume that a conference is going to be promoted. That conference HAS to be the Mountain West.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-09-2010, 08:29 AM
I like Colorado in the Mountain West..IF and ONLY IF the Mountain West becomes a BCS conference. Assuming the collapse of the Big-12, you have to assume that a conference is going to be promoted. That conference HAS to be the Mountain West.

Even if they get an auto-BCS bid, the MWC should still be a last resort option. There is nothing that the MWC has an advantage over the PX.

tsiguy96
06-09-2010, 08:31 AM
on TV it showed that colorado and baylor are fighting for the final pac-10 spot, if this all goes down...

Irish Stout
06-09-2010, 08:48 AM
What I can't understand is why anyone gives a turd about Baylor.

tsiguy96
06-09-2010, 08:52 AM
What I can't understand is why anyone gives a turd about Baylor.

cuz thats where our center is from :thanku:

Mountain Bronco
06-09-2010, 09:10 AM
Look CU makes more sense in the Pac 10 than any team being invited. Huge alumni base in California and the west cost (there are even CU bars in San Francisco for crying out loud), but Texas is the big dog and everyone's queen. If she has to have her bitch Baylor than it will be Baylor over CU because Texas is the biggest prize.

The MWC sucks ass and will never be a major conference. Welcome to complete and total colapse of a once proud athletic department if the go to the MWC.

Pray the make it into the Pac X.

Kid A
06-09-2010, 09:25 AM
I didn't read to see if this was posted but it is all over Omaha news that Nebraska will be part of the Big 10 as early as Friday. The source is "an executive of a Big 12 university". Osborne says conference realignment has been accelerated. Multiple Big 12 officials are claiming news of changes to the Big 12 are going to be annouced Friday.

This is all on the Omaha World Heralds website. I am posting from the Blackberry and can't get a link.

http://www.omaha.com/article/20100608/BIGRED/306089786

oubronco
06-09-2010, 09:45 AM
And so it begins? CU to possibly announce tomorrow


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CU Holding Meeting With Board Of Regents Tonight To Discuss Move To Pac-10

Jun 08 7:37p by Jeremy Mauss

The expansion machine has been working overtime lately, but it looks like there maybe some tangible evidence tomorrow with Colorado expecting to make a major announcement tomorrow:


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If the speculation is true, Colorado could be preparing to accept a bid from the Pac-10 Conference, which has targeted the Buffaloes for expansion.

The move would undercut an attempt by Baylor to sway the Texas Legislature into helping the Bears get an invite ahead of Colorado.

It would also guarantee that the Pac-10 probably pulls off at least one of its plans presented to league presidents and chancellors at meetings over the weekend in San Francisco.

This move looks to block out Baylor who has been gathering support from the Texas legislature to put pressure on Texas, Texas A&M, and Texas Tech to bring along baby brother Baylor to a new Pac-10 league. Now, if this actually comes true then the Pac-10 has two options regarding expansion which are either still inviting Texas, Texas Tech, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, and Oklahoma State which is the Pac-10's first choice in expansion, and then the other would to add Utah to round out a new form Pac-10.
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oubronco
06-09-2010, 09:47 AM
Colorado will be only BCS fball program to get NCAA APR sanctions Wednesday and one of only 2 BCS hoops programs to get sanctioned.

http://twitter.com/chipbrownob (http://twitter.com/chipbrownob)

This is really bad timing for Colorado

Master___Pain
06-09-2010, 09:59 AM
Colorado will be only BCS fball program to get NCAA APR sanctions Wednesday and one of only 2 BCS hoops programs to get sanctioned.

http://twitter.com/chipbrownob (http://twitter.com/chipbrownob)

This is really bad timing for Colorado

CU knew these were coming and date back to 2005. They took the penalty, preemptively, last season. This is not new news to anyone, certainly not CU or the PAC 10. Just that doosh Chip Brown being a UT mouth piece.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-09-2010, 10:18 AM
Look CU makes more sense in the Pac 10 than any team being invited. Huge alumni base in California and the west cost (there are even CU bars in San Francisco for crying out loud), but Texas is the big dog and everyone's queen. If she has to have her b**** Baylor than it will be Baylor over CU because Texas is the biggest prize.

The MWC sucks ass and will never be a major conference. Welcome to complete and total colapse of a once proud athletic department if the go to the MWC.

Pray the make it into the Pac X.

This. Anyone who thinks that CU to the MWC is a good idea either doesn't understand everything that the PX will bring vs. the negatives of going to the MWC, or they really don't have CU's best interest in mind when they pimp the MWC.

NFLBRONCO
06-09-2010, 10:22 AM
This. Anyone who thinks that CU to the MWC is a good idea either doesn't understand everything that the PX will bring vs. the negatives of going to the MWC, or they really don't have CU's best interest in mind when they pimp the MWC.

I agree nice job Herc

jhns
06-09-2010, 10:25 AM
I think CU should go to the MWC. That or go solo like Army, Navy, Notre Dame, etc...

bombay
06-09-2010, 10:55 AM
Colorado will be in the PAC, who recognize them as the best fit for their conference.

Berekely will vote for a kenny starr led Baylor when hell freezes over, and the vote must be uninmous.

The
PAC also loves research schools, and Colorado is very near the top. Baylor is striving to get evolution banned from schools.

Irish Stout
06-09-2010, 11:38 AM
This. Anyone who thinks that CU to the MWC is a good idea either doesn't understand everything that the PX will bring vs. the negatives of going to the MWC, or they really don't have CU's best interest in mind when they pimp the MWC.

Quite right ol' chap! GO CU!!! Go to the Mtn. West that is. The skies are so green and the grass is so Blue... well it will be if we ever let Boise State in.

Kid A
06-09-2010, 11:43 AM
Looking more like it's adios, amigos.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/06/09/10/Reports-Nebraska-to-Join-Big-Ten/landing.html?blockID=250141&feedID=3724

After a weekend of denials and hushed discussions, the Big Ten will expand to 12 teams as early as Friday. Reports are emerging that the Nebraska Cornhuskers will become the 12th team in the league.

The Big Ten has officially offered an invitation to Nebraska.

Natedog24
06-09-2010, 12:09 PM
And the dominoes continue to fall....

DomCasual
06-09-2010, 01:41 PM
Looking more like it's adios, amigos.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/06/09/10/Reports-Nebraska-to-Join-Big-Ten/landing.html?blockID=250141&feedID=3724

<strike>Sal's</strike> The Big-12's dead! Go Big Red! _i_O_i_

Oh well, I always liked Nebraska a little more than I liked the Chiefs. But not much more.

oubronco
06-09-2010, 02:11 PM
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2825/bigger16.jpg

oubronco
06-09-2010, 02:18 PM
Oregon's QB suspended for 2010 season
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Oregon quarterback Jeremiah Masoli was suspended Friday for the upcoming season by coach Chip Kelly after pleading guilty to second-degree burglary in the theft of a pair of laptops and a guitar from a campus fraternity.

Masoli, who had been mentioned as a potential Heisman candidate, will remain on scholarship with the Ducks.

"He does have a redshirt season available to him if he chooses to do that," Kelly said.

Kelly announced the suspension just hours after Masoli appeared in Lane County Circuit Court to answer to the burglary charge.

Kelly, who has come under fire for some of his disciplinary decisions, also meted out punishment for running back LaMichael James and placekicker Rob Beard.

"I am extremely disappointed anytime any of our players fall short of our expectations that have been clearly outlined for them in advance on numerous occasions, and this is especially true regarding their roles within the community," Kelly said. "Their accountability for their actions is paramount and any tainting of the reputation of the University of Oregon and this football program will not be tolerated."

Masoli pleaded guilty as part of a deal that reduced his charge from a felony to a misdemeanor. Former Ducks receiver Garrett Embry pleaded guilty to a misdemeanor charge of second-degree burglary as well.

Both were sentenced to 12 months of probation and 140 hours of community service. Together they must also pay $5,000 restitution.

Masoli threw for 2,147 yards and 15 touchdowns last season. He also rushed for 668 yards and 13 touchdowns, leading Oregon to the school's first Rose Bowl appearance since 1995.

Kelly's action was the latest twist to the Ducks' offseason of disarray.

Beard was placed on probation after entering his plea.

Linebacker Kiko Alonso pleaded not guilty to drunken driving charges in Eugene Municipal Court last week. Kelly suspended Alonso for the 2010 season upon learning of the arrest.

Defensive end Matt Simms was dismissed by Kelly after he was cited on assault charges last month. Simms pleaded guilty to physical harassment for striking a man he thought had beaten Beard.

Receiver Jamere Holland was dismissed from the team after posting vulgar comments and criticizing Kelly on the Facebook social networking site.

Kelly, who made his debut as a head coach last season, was questioned after he brought back running back LeGarrette Blount early from a season-long suspension.

Blount was suspended for punching a Boise State defensive end following the season-opening loss. He missed eight games before he was reinstated for meeting certain academic and behavioral criteria set down by Kelly.

University president Richard Lariviere issued a statement late Friday in support of Kelly's actions.

"I am confident that Coach Kelly has carefully and fairly considered the disciplinary actions he is imposing," Lariviere said. "I know that he understands the high expectations of Oregon's faculty, students and fans."

Information from The Associated Press was used in this report



http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4990555 (http://sports.espn.go.com/ncf/news/story?id=4990555)


What a fuggin idiot
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Kid A
06-09-2010, 02:19 PM
<strike>Sal's</strike> The Big-12's dead! Go Big Red! _i_O_i_

Oh well, I always liked Nebraska a little more than I liked the Chiefs. But not much more.

Who's CU going to highlight on their calender/actually fill their stadium for once a year now? You know you'll miss your oh so classy friends from corn country. :wave:

TheElusiveKyleOrton
06-09-2010, 02:21 PM
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2825/bigger16.jpg

Set it up. Let's do this thing.

BroncoBuff
06-09-2010, 02:30 PM
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2825/bigger16.jpg

That's pretty cool.

Kid A
06-09-2010, 02:33 PM
That's pretty cool.

Has the Texas legislature approved that image?! I know some Baylor regents who might want to edit that picture a little. :rofl:

But, seriously, I hope that's the way it turns out. It would be a fun conference to watch.

jhns
06-09-2010, 02:37 PM
A friend just texted me that Nebraska officially voted to move to the Big 10 now. He could be full of crap though. I didn't see anything about it when I looked a minute ago.

Master___Pain
06-09-2010, 02:55 PM
http://i698.photobucket.com/albums/vv341/huskerkav/Nebraska_Big10_Bound.gif

Awesome.

Br0nc0Buster
06-09-2010, 02:58 PM
So where are the other big 12 teams going? (KU, K-State, Baylor, Iowa State, Missouri)

bombay
06-09-2010, 03:03 PM
Looking more like it's adios, amigos.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/06/09/10/Reports-Nebraska-to-Join-Big-Ten/landing.html?blockID=250141&feedID=3724


Excellent. See ya.

Master___Pain
06-09-2010, 03:04 PM
So where are the other big 12 teams going? (KU, K-State, Baylor, Iowa State, Missouri)

The mountain west would be wise to try and pick up KU, KSU and one of the others. Might get them to BCS level.

I hope Baylor ends up in the Sun Belt after all the BS they've been spouting.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
06-09-2010, 03:06 PM
The mountain west would be wise to try and pick up KU, KSU and one of the others. Might get them to BCS level.

I hope Baylor ends up in the Sun Belt after all the BS they've been spouting.

Baylor belongs in the Sun Belt or MAC. Screw those guys.

Natedog24
06-09-2010, 03:09 PM
Chip Brown was just interviewed on ESPN and sounded pretty confident that the 6 schools including CU and not Baylor are going to be offically Pac 10 schools by 2012...

Jens1893
06-09-2010, 03:28 PM
http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/2825/bigger16.jpg

Oh, Big 16 you say? Don´t know how the Pac 10 folks are gonna like that. Thought it was somewhat funny when Bob Stoops, in the first sign of life out of Norman since this thing picked up steam, talked about a "merger".

oubronco
06-09-2010, 03:41 PM
I think that's kinda the idea with the Big 16 instead of the Pac 16

oubronco
06-09-2010, 03:58 PM
By Berry Tramel Published: June 9, 2010

The clock ticks down. The Big 12 could die, maybe as early as Friday, as Nebraska's deadline looms. Nearer My God To Thee.

Some lament, wondering what will happen if the league gives up the ghost. I wonder what will happen if the Big 12 lives. You want chaos, let these schools stay together 10 more minutes. Someone might torch a campus.

How did this happen? How did the Big 12 become so dysfunctional?

I guess I had my head in the sand. Didn't realize those early resentment days of the 1990s never fled. They instead festered, to where now a regal man like Tom Osborne will have to fight against emotion in deciding the fate of his Cornhuskers.

To where a Baylor regent is calling Nebraska names, as if the Bears haven't been on Big 12 welfare since entering the league.

Nebraska resents Texas' arrogance. South Division success vexes the North. Policy made 15 years ago remains a sore spot in some Big 12 ports.

The question isn't why this league might splinter. The question is, how did it stay together this long?

Some have ripped Big 12 commissioner Dan Beebe, which is like blaming the U.N. for the Gaza Strip horrors. These Hatfields and McCoys were feuding long before Beebe rode up on his stallion.

The truth now is clear. This league worked only on a business level. These members never meshed. Here on the 38th parallel, this Everyman's Land of Oklahoma, where our schools are in the middle of this conference geographically and historically, we didn't sense the volatility.

But it was oh so real.

And we should have seen it coming. This was a marriage of convenience. The Texas schools needed a home. The Big Eight schools needed television sets.

Those votes back in the mid-'90s — to distribute half the TV revenues based on appearances, to place the conference office in Dallas, to limit the partial academic qualifiers — reverberate still.

Heck, votes still chap the North, with Nebraskans hacked off at the announcement last week that the football championship game will be anchored at JerryWorld through 2013.

Think about that. The Big 12 has staged 14 championship football games. Seven have been played in Missouri. Seven in Texas. The league has finally given in to common sense and placed the game where the weather is assured, in maybe the finest stadium in the world, and some in the North take it as an affront, even though Kansas City got the basketball tournament through 2014.

What's Beebe's job description? Firefighter?

The truth of the matter is, the North resentment stems from two prime sources: Longhorn arrogance and South Division dominance.

The 'Horns can be insufferable, but you've got to give UT this: Its leaders don't monkey around. They don't play games. What you see with athletic director DeLoss Dodds is what you get.

This was a marriage of convenience, but it wasn't a shotgun wedding. No one forced the Big Eight schools to take Texas. UT laid out its demands, and the Big Eight voted aye.

And if the North had stayed good in football, the cold winters wouldn't be nearly as long. But in the 2000s, the South Division has taken over. OU and Texas have won the last six football titles. Nebraska has fallen on hard times. Colorado, too. Kansas State rose and fell again. Missouri can't get any respect from even the Insight Bowl.

Plus, the South dominates most sports except men's basketball, where Kansas is a North beacon.

So it's come to this. Nebraska thinking long and hard about the Big Ten, and Missouri standing with hat in hand, hoping the Big Ten throws a life raft.

The schools in this league aren't partners. They're sharing office space.

They aren't the 12 musketeers. When it comes to North/South, they're all for none and none for all. And why should they be anything different?

Texas A&M didn't play a football game in Boulder until 1995. Tech didn't play in Manhattan until 1998. Texas didn't play in Ames until 1999.

Contrast that with the SEC (Alabama first played at Vanderbilt in 1903) or the Big Ten (Michigan played Northwestern in Chicago in 1892) or the Pac-10 (Oregon State first went to Berkeley in 1905).

Those schools have been brothers for more than a century. These schools met late in life and didn't like each other from the get-go.

And you want these ruffians to keep going to counseling? If you're Kansas State or Iowa State or Kansas and your options are few, OK. Tough it out. But everyone else?

This is no way to live. With Baylor regent Buddy Jones referring to Nebraska as "a bunch of corn shuckers.” With conspiracy theories running wild over Texas' title-game victory over Nebraska. With schools setting deadlines and making threats.

Turns out, this was a conference designed to fail. And now its mantra is obvious. Better off dead.

Berry Tramel: 405-760-8080; Berry Tramel can be heard Monday through Friday from 4:40-5:20 p.m. on The Sports Animal radio network, including AM-640 and FM-98.1.

DomCasual
06-09-2010, 04:03 PM
The mountain west would be wise to try and pick up KU, KSU and one of the others. Might get them to BCS level.

I hope Baylor ends up in the Sun Belt after all the BS they've been spouting.

This!

I understand how they are in a tough spot. They want to look out for their own interests. But come on! There are reasons you aren't being included. Forcing inclusion is lame. And then all the shamelessly disingenuous crap about the Texas schools "sticking together" and being "family" is just embarrassing. Those SWC Conference schools that ended up scrambling for conferences fifteen years ago have to be getting a good laugh, at this point.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-09-2010, 05:08 PM
Looking more like it's adios, amigos.

http://www.foxsportsohio.com/06/09/10/Reports-Nebraska-to-Join-Big-Ten/landing.html?blockID=250141&feedID=3724

Corn having a regents meeting on Friday, item 6 on the agenda

http://www.nebraska.edu/docs/board/agendas/Agenda-6-10-revised.pdf

Hercules Rockefeller
06-09-2010, 05:41 PM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/06/pac10-poised-to-become-16team-conference.html

oubronco
06-09-2010, 06:36 PM
Disturbing Big 10 development for MU.....


Posted on: June 9, 2010 at 11:53:06 CT


Here is the latest, and very distrubing, news on the Big 10 front. NU has received an offer from the Big 10, and will accept the invitation over the objection of Osborne who has described himslef as getting "cold feet" recently over the move. However, others "above his pay-grade" have already made the call, and Nebraska is going to the Big 10.

MU has not received an offer, and likely will not for the foreseeable future. Although we had reached an "understanding" with the Big 10, Notre Dame has since reentered the picture and has "refused to be put on a clock" concerning their decision for membership in the Big 10. Thus, the Big 10 is now making the decision to offer only Nebraska and take a wait-and-see approach on further offers for now until the Notre Dame issue is resolved.

Now, this is where it has gotten very scary for us: Texas has made it very clear to all involved that they have 5 other institutions waiting to, in their words, "bolt for the Pac 10" the moment Nebraska announces its agreement with the Big 10. This, according to them, is a "done deal" with the Pac 10 (As a parentthetical, it appears that Baylor, not CU will be part of that move, given Texas' insistence to the Pac 10, but I did not verify that fact for certain).

Thus, here is the position we are now in. Texas' (and other's) lawyers have concluded that it takes a simple majority to dissolve the Big 12. After Nebrasksa announces, the gang of six, either with or without Nebraska, can vote to dissolve the Big 12 as a conference (which they would all have a massive vested financial interest in doing). This would have the legal effect of, among other things, removing the financial penalties for withdrawl from the conference (estimted at almost $15 million per leaving institution, or roughly $105 million in total), as well as removing us as a BCS conference and dissolving our TV contract. In essence, we are about to be left holding an empty bag with very little recourse if any.

Why would the Big 10 do this to us? Jim delany is a shark, and he gets/understands all of the above. By simply bringing in one big 12 school (Nebraska, not MU), he can destroy the Big 12 as a conference (his major competitor for the midwest market) and still leave himself up to 5 slots to play with (Delaney, as he should be, cares only about what is best for his employer. This is business to him). He can then offer MU at his leisure at a later date, or not, as they see fit. Furthermore, Delaney gets that MU has some bargaining leverage at the moment as a member of the Big 12. Remove that membership (which everyone now gets will follow with certitude), and MU will clearly be willing to entertain a future Big 10 offer at a much better price for the Big 10 than what we would take toady. So even if the Big 10 ultimately wants MU, they still can get us but at a price that saves their membership millions fo dollars (i.e. - We, unlike Nebraska, will not be given full equity partnership for several years at a minimum - Or would need to buy our way in).

I wish it were not so. But I am certain that what I just wrote is about to befall us. Ugh.

http://www.tigerboard.com/boards/missouri-tigers.php?message=7631170

oubronco
06-09-2010, 06:40 PM
Updates from Chip Brown and ESPN 104.9 The Horn
<HR style="COLOR: #990000" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->Listening this afternoon as they seem to be at the center of all of this and there are three updates:

1) Colorado does seem to have an offer from the Pac-10

2) Big-12 sources deny this but one media outlet (Fox affiliate in Ohio) is reporting an offical offer to Nebraska from the Big-10

3) There will be an important meeting tomorrow (Thursday) between Texas A&M and Texas regarding the conference and expansion.

Tomorrow may determine if A&M and Texas are a united front or if everybody strikes out in different directions.
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4) Cal reportedly objecting to the inclusion of Baylor

Radio talking about Missouri now ... says the Big-10 has soured on them and they may ... after all their talk ... end up one of the big losers in all of this. Hilarious!

Big-10 priority list appears to be Notre Dame, Nebraska, Rutgers, and Mayland.

Chip Brown has said on ESPN that Texas told staff "We did everything to save the Big 12, but we failed." Texas meeting with A&M tomorrow to assure they are "on the same page". If his info is correct, its over.

BFeldmanESPN Chip Brown has said on SportsCenter "the Big 12 is dead." Strong. Said Colorado, not Baylor will be the other Big 12 S team into the Pac.

TexanBob
06-09-2010, 06:41 PM
We find out if Larry Scott has the smarts to make the Pac 10 control the issue or not. If they invite Colorado *before* the other Big XII schools, there's nothing Baylor can do. There's nothing that says the Pac-10 has to add all the teams at the same time. They can pick and choose the ones they want just by the order they pass out the invites.

oubronco
06-09-2010, 06:49 PM
Kansas is begging Nebraska to stay
<HR style="COLOR: #990000" SIZE=1><!-- / icon and title --><!-- message -->The first sure sign of some imminent fire behind the billowing smoke of conference realignment: Fast and furious leaks to various media beginning around last Thursday. But the surest sign that this is really going down right now as we speak is the sudden presence of politicians, beginning with lobbyists and legislators working to strong-arm Baylor into the lineup of Big 12 schools reportedly packing their bags for the Pac-10.

Naturally, then, Kansas pols have enthusiastically taken up the the university's plea to Nebraska to save the Big 12 by rebuffing overtures from the Big Ten. By Tuesday, the Jayhawks' case had already made way into the halls of the U.S. Senate, where Kansas Republican Pat Roberts was reportedly overheard lobbying Nebraska Democrat Ben Nelson to prevent the Cornhuskers from becoming "the domino that blows college football into four major conferences and gets rid of the NCAA." (Of legendary 'Husker coach and current athletic director Tom Osborne, Roberts said, "He doesn't want on his tombstone 'He ruined the Big 12,'" though it's possible that would suit Osborne just fine.) Roberts and fellow Kansas senator Sam Brownback issued a joint press release to "encourage our friends at the University of Nebraska to remain a strong and vibrant member of the Big XII Conference."

http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/footbal...ncaaf,246 925 (http://rivals.yahoo.com/ncaa/football/blog/dr_saturday/post/Kansas-senators-lobby-Huskers-threaten-legal-fi;_ylt=Am4r9llj4ndQ8Annbb0BpQYcvrYF?urn=ncaaf,246 925)
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DomCasual
06-09-2010, 06:58 PM
1) Colorado does seem to have an offer from the Pac-10

2) Big-12 sources deny this but one media outlet (Fox affiliate in Ohio) is reporting an offical offer to Nebraska from the Big-10

3) There will be an important meeting tomorrow (Thursday) between Texas A&M and Texas regarding the conference and expansion.

Tomorrow may determine if A&M and Texas are a united front or if everybody strikes out in different directions.
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4) Cal reportedly objecting to the inclusion of Baylor


God bless those commie, Jesus-hating bastards! :)

When they objected to BYU, it sort of pissed me off. But this? This one is okay.

DomCasual
06-09-2010, 07:06 PM
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2010/06/pac10-poised-to-become-16team-conference.html

This is an interesting tidbit from that: "Even if Texas and others decide to stay in the Big 12, the Pac-10 would still make a move to expand by two schools, sources said, with Colorado being the No. 1 target."

It would seem illogical that under one scenario, they have CU as their number one target; while under the other scenario, they expand by six and leave CU off the list.

I've loved reading about this the last few months - and especially, the past few days. I wish I could be a fly on the wall at some of these meetings. If someone writes a book about this process someday, I'm preordering it.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-09-2010, 07:23 PM
http://sports.espn.go.com/ncaa/news/story?id=5270048

Money quote:

Colorado already has received an invitation to join the conference, while five other invitations will be extended to Texas, Texas A&M, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State and Texas Tech, according to a source familiar with the negotiations.

Edit: The coach they talked to said that CU got it over Baylor because of the Denver TV market, which no one will deny was one of the major driving forces for CU to move to the PX. However why would CU get the 1st actual invite if they took spot #6 like that statement kind of implies?

Play2win
06-09-2010, 07:45 PM
Seriously, if Texas or OU go to the Pac 10, they better change the name of the conference, because there is nothing "PAC" about OU or any of the Texas teams.

It would be the prime example of "What's wrong with this picture", that you give grade school kids. Even young kids know what doesn't belong in this picture.

BroncoBuff
06-09-2010, 08:03 PM
Seriously, if Texas or OU go to the Pac 10, they better change the name of the conference, because there is nothing "PAC" about OU or any of the Texas teams.

It would be the prime example of "What's wrong with this picture", that you give grade school kids. Even young kids know what doesn't belong in this picture.

??? Not sure what you're worried about, there will be a new conference name of course.

Plus divisions ... the eight California Oregon Washington schools will be the "Coastal Division" ... with the Arizona schools plus 6 newcomers the "Inland Division" or whatever.

Rohirrim
06-09-2010, 08:05 PM
CU playing USC regularly is going to make me schizo.

Williams
06-09-2010, 08:05 PM
Nebraska will be a great addition to the Big Ten. I'd love to see the Big Ten also expand to 16 and bring in ND, Missouri, and then raid the Big East for West Virginia and either Pitt or Syracuse. Would make for a pretty awesome conference.

Doggcow
06-09-2010, 08:06 PM
??? Not sure what you're worried about, there will be a new conference name of course.

Plus divisions ... the eight California Oregon Washington schools will be the "Coastal Division" ... with the Arizona schools plus 6 newcomers the "Inland Division" or whatever.

Why would it really matter what it's called?

Play2win
06-09-2010, 08:17 PM
??? Not sure what you're worried about, there will be a new conference name of course.

Plus divisions ... the eight California Oregon Washington schools will be the "Coastal Division" ... with the Arizona schools plus 6 newcomers the "Inland Division" or whatever.

Just that I liked the Character of the Pac-10, and I think CU fits in there nicely. There are wide-open offenses, exciting games, fun teams to watch, and great rivalries. Its reminds me a lot of the AFC West.

It would be a shame if Texas or OU ruined all that the Pac-10 has going for it.

How would you like the Dallas Cowboys and the New York Giants moving into the AFC West?

TheChamp24
06-09-2010, 08:27 PM
I really wonder how scheduling will happen under these expansions.

SoonerBronco
06-09-2010, 08:40 PM
Just that I liked the Character of the Pac-10, and I think CU fits in there nicely. There are wide-open offenses, exciting games, fun teams to watch, and great rivalries. Its reminds me a lot of the AFC West.

It would be a shame if Texas or OU ruined all that the Pac-10 has going for it.

How would you like the Dallas Cowboys and the New York Giants moving into the AFC West?

sure, bringing in Texas and OU would ruin the wonderful PAC 10...How would it do anything but make it better?

That is a ridiculous statement.

Drunk Monkey
06-09-2010, 09:33 PM
I am all for it staying like it is. If something has to change then I could see Texas, TTU, Baylor, OU, OSU, and A & M going to the Pac-10. CU would get left out but should join the Mountain West. Give the Big 12 automatic BCS bid to the Mountain West who could also pick up Boise State and Utah. Having said all that I hope it stays like it is.

Kid A
06-09-2010, 10:02 PM
Obviously Nebraska may never carry the clout of a Texas or a Notre Dame, but I'm glad it was the Huskers making the first move here. I think this could be a good fit and it definitely puts the university in a secure position for years to come.

http://www.cbssports.com/collegefootball/story/13501955/dear-big-ten-roll-out-the-red-carpet-for-the-big-red

They're special, Jim, so be kind. In fact, a red carpet of some kind wouldn't be considered over the top.

They are the Big Red. The only Big Red that matters. Nebraska. A program that forged its reputation playing walk-ons from the state's cornfields. It was recruiting New Jersey before Rutgers had a clue. At one time, its coaches used to know California better than The Governator.

...

You invited 45 percent of Notre Dame Stadium. That's the percentage of red that showed up in the Irish's football shrine when the teams met in 2000. You invited one half of the Game of the Century. You invited those thousands of balloons that are released into the Lincoln sky after the home team's first touchdown. You invited Devaney, Osborne, Gill, Rozier, Alberts, Wistrom and Suh.

...

Now it is changing everything. Without Nebraska football, the state would be a slightly warmer South Dakota. With Nebraska football, the Big Ten has inherited a jewel that had better not be damaged.

These are humble, proud people who have created their own "brand." That goofy overalled mascot who roams the sidelines might be a stereotype but so is Osborne. He is a solid rock of a man who, for better or worse, has gotten to Nebraska to this point. It might be the high point of the school's history. Nebraska certainly is going to make money and make history, but it's also going to lose part of itself.

So when you officially admit Nebraska into the Big Ten, Jim, avert your eye from the bottom line for a second. The Huskers' decision didn't come lightly. Osborne probably told you at some point that Nebraska liked the Big 12 -- it loved the Big Eight even more. This Big Ten is going to take some getting used to.

Drunk Monkey
06-09-2010, 10:36 PM
The best thing about all of this is it makes a playoff / tournament easier to pull off. The first round would be the conference championships from the big 4. The second would be the bowl games and if they added a Championship game after the bowl games we could get pretty close to an undisputed champion.

Kid A
06-09-2010, 10:46 PM
Nebraska will be a great addition to the Big Ten. I'd love to see the Big Ten also expand to 16 and bring in ND, Missouri, and then raid the Big East for West Virginia and either Pitt or Syracuse. Would make for a pretty awesome conference.

Based on a couple internet rumors and my own gut...I would guess that while they definitely plan on expanding further,they might not in the immediate future. They've made the 1st move, but I'm not sure they want to be the conference that brings on total chaos (even if they are indirectly responsible).

Once the PAC-10 makes its play and things start to clarify I think Delaney will be targeting more growth, but for now (maybe even an entire year or two) I think the Big <strike>Ten</strike> <strike>Eleven</strike> Twelve starts to figure out how to define divisions, a conference championship, etc.

Then again, I could be wrong and Syracuse, Mizzou, and Pitt could all have invites in the mail.

Play2win
06-10-2010, 02:39 AM
sure, bringing in Texas and OU would ruin the wonderful PAC 10...How would it do anything but make it better?

That is a ridiculous statement.

Just like bringing in Dallas and the NY Giants would make the AFC West better...

oubronco
06-10-2010, 06:24 AM
Just that I liked the Character of the Pac-10, and I think CU fits in there nicely. There are wide-open offenses, exciting games, fun teams to watch, and great rivalries. Its reminds me a lot of the AFC West.

It would be a shame if Texas or OU ruined all that the Pac-10 has going for it.

How would you like the Dallas Cowboys and the New York Giants moving into the AFC West?

How would OU and Texas ruin the conference with their wide open attacks

missingnumber7
06-10-2010, 07:56 AM
The best thing about all of this is it makes a playoff / tournament easier to pull off. The first round would be the conference championships from the big 4. The second would be the bowl games and if they added a Championship game after the bowl games we could get pretty close to an undisputed champion.

If they have a big shuffle in conferences it would be the time for the NCAA to step in and do something with football like basketball...get a huge tv contract, make it lucrative to schools...and get rid of the BCS.

Jens1893
06-10-2010, 08:01 AM
Colorado will be the latest Pac 10 member in 26 hours

http://www.buffzone.com/ci_15268160

Rohirrim
06-10-2010, 08:22 AM
Colorado will be the latest Pac 10 member in 26 hours

http://www.buffzone.com/ci_15268160

Hey Baylor! ESAD. :welcome:

Steve Sewell
06-10-2010, 08:37 AM
sure, bringing in Texas and OU would ruin the wonderful PAC 10...How would it do anything but make it better?

That is a ridiculous statement.

I think he's referring to the arrogant attitudes of those programs and their respective fanbases.

Irish Stout
06-10-2010, 08:44 AM
Hey Baylor! ESAD. :welcome:

ESAD?

By the way, I think this is all positive for my alma mater - CSU. With KU and KSU free falling, the most likely conference they fit into is the MWC... So all this movement will likely destroy the BCS as we know it, but also makes it more likely that the MWC will become a BCS conference, even if it is a weaker one.

Hercules Rockefeller
06-10-2010, 08:48 AM
Tomorrow will be a good day

Hercules Rockefeller
06-10-2010, 08:48 AM
ESAD- eat **** and die