BP And Obama: A Perfect Photo Op of Deception

[watermock]

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread576456/pg1

[Spider]

Idiots ........... so now Obama was in on this deception ? ........ some people are so ****ing stupid

[Rigs11]

Yep they want less government except for when there is a disaster..then government good.

[cutthemdown]

Sometimes a President can just ave bad luck. Not much Obama can do about an oil spill. Not like he's an expert on such things. He's at the mercy of public perception just like Bush was over Katrina. Obama better get some good luck soon or his party gets trounced in the midterms.

[JJJ]

Sometimes a President can just ave bad luck. Not much Obama can do about an oil spill. Not like he's an expert on such things. He's at the mercy of public perception just like Bush was over Katrina. Obama better get some good luck soon or his party gets trounced in the midterms.

No one gets blamed for the accident or disaster itself. It is the response to it that gets (and should get) the blame or the credit. Bush was a few days slow on Katrina and that Brown guy was a total moron. Obama is a few weeks slow on the oil spill and Salazar is a total moron.

My conclusion is I see no improvement in the federal government's ability to respond to a major disaster. If another Cat 5 were to hit New Orleans again tomorrow it wouldn't be any better this time around. Fortunately for Lousiana it looks like the state government response abilities have vastly improved.

[cutthemdown]

That sort of seems like perception to me JJJ. Like Bush would have looked better had he responded quicker, but people still would have died. Maybe the same number.

Obama could have flown to rig the day of accident, had the foresight to say this is bad, I want blah blah blah etc etc etc. He would have looked smart, looked good, but oil would still be gushing out.

JJJ has a really good point about the govt ability to respond. I don't feel too good about it here in calif for the big quake when it comes. I have plans to have enough food, water, power to live for a month. If govt not helping by then I guess I eat brains!! Let's not rely on the govt people. Let's be smart and have our own plans in case of a disaster.

[cutthemdown]

I do think though Obama was slow to act like he was doing something. Now it's too late and it may be a loser issue for him. It won't make or break him because Americans smart enough to know Obama is powerless to stop the leak. It's not like it's his fault. It's just he missed a chance to look good.

The country has 1-2-maybe 3 big events each yr. The administration sort of sat around while this one got big, then it was too late to win the PR campaign on it.

[cutthemdown]

Idiots ........... so now Obama was in on this deception ? ........ some people are so ****ing stupid

Why do men and women even want this job?

[JJJ]

That sort of seems like perception to me JJJ. Like Bush would have looked better had he responded quicker, but people still would have died. Maybe the same number.

Obama could have flown to rig the day of accident, had the foresight to say this is bad, I want blah blah blah etc etc etc. He would have looked smart, looked good, but oil would still be gushing out.

JJJ has a really good point about the govt ability to respond. I don't feel too good about it here in calif for the big quake when it comes. I have plans to have enough food, water, power to live for a month. If govt not helping by then I guess I eat brains!! Let's not rely on the govt people. Let's be smart and have our own plans in case of a disaster.

Agree but perceptions are important.

Fully agree on the reliance part.

Emergency response should be looked at in stages due to logistics alone.

The first 2 days of any disaster the mindset should be you and your neighbors are on your own. Working with each other and not looking for outside assistance at all is your best bet. If it comes earlier consider yourself lucky.

Getting people to be prepared and learn what to do to be self-sufficient in the first 48 hrs of a disaster on their own is the best investment that can be made in disaster relief. And almost zero energy is spent on this. If Homeowners Associations really want to do something constructive this should be it.

Local and state governments should be able to start providing some assistance in the 3 to 4 day time frame. It will take at least 5 to 7 days for the federal government to properly mobilize on a large scale. This is pretty much what you saw in Katrina.

[Spider]

Why do men and women even want this job?

I have no Idea ...........

[Spider]

LOL Katrina compared to this ? are you ****ing serious ?
the after math of Katrina , there was a workable plan , there was a goal and way to achieve it ...........
This you stupid bastards is an entire different ball game ........... Maybe I am still shooting to high for some of you ...........
Katrina aftermath = Get people food and Medical supplies ........ I know for some of you , this would be dayum hard to do , mental blockage , in breeding , severe stupid. stand in your way ...........
Now this oil spill ....... what can anyone do ?? cant cap it , I am not to sure a relief vein will help now maybe instead of capping it , redirect it ? ....... How ?
clean up ? you got to be ****ing kidding me , how in the hell do you clean up over a million BARRELS ( barrel=55 gallons) ?

[Rohirrim]

No one gets blamed for the accident or disaster itself. It is the response to it that gets (and should get) the blame or the credit. Bush was a few days slow on Katrina and that Brown guy was a total moron. Obama is a few weeks slow on the oil spill and Salazar is a total moron.

My conclusion is I see no improvement in the federal government's ability to respond to a major disaster. If another Cat 5 were to hit New Orleans again tomorrow it wouldn't be any better this time around. Fortunately for Lousiana it looks like the state government response abilities have vastly improved.

That's some twisted logic. The time to "respond" to this disaster was back in 2001 when Cheney invited BP and the other oil giants into the WH and let them write the regulations. That is where this disaster was spawned.

[peacepipe]

No one gets blamed for the accident or disaster itself. It is the response to it that gets (and should get) the blame or the credit. Bush was a few days slow on Katrina and that Brown guy was a total moron. Obama is a few weeks slow on the oil spill and Salazar is a total moron.

My conclusion is I see no improvement in the federal government's ability to respond to a major disaster. If another Cat 5 were to hit New Orleans again tomorrow it wouldn't be any better this time around. Fortunately for Lousiana it looks like the state government response abilities have vastly improved.
There from day 1 with the coast guard. as well, wasn't it rand paul,actually it was rand paul, who said that Obama had his foot on the neck of BP & that it was unamerican. you guys can't have it both ways.


Ken Salazar is a moron,I can agree with you on that.

[JJJ]

That's some twisted logic. The time to "respond" to this disaster was back in 2001 when Cheney invited BP and the other oil giants into the WH and let them write the regulations. That is where this disaster was spawned.

A desperate post if there ever was one. I guess this justifies the Clinton spawned 9-11 line of thinking.

[Spider]

A desperate post if there ever was one. I guess this justifies the Clinton spawned 9-11 line of thinking. LOL ...why is it twisted ? you saying that didnt happen ? Are you saying the rules for drilling didnt change ?

[DBruleU]

Krauthammer: Whose blowout is it?

http://www.dailycamera.com/opinion-columnists/ci_15184246#axzz0pRQ8uJD8

H ere`s my question: Why are we drilling in 5,000 feet of water in the first place?

Many reasons, but this one goes unmentioned: Environmental chic has driven us out there. As production from the shallower Gulf of Mexico wells declines, we go deep (1,000 feet and more) and ultra deep (5,000 feet and more), in part because environmentalists have succeeded in rendering the Pacific and nearly all the Atlantic coast off-limits to oil production. (President Obama`s tentative, selective opening of some Atlantic and offshore Alaska sites is now dead.) And of course, in the safest of all places, on land, we`ve had a 30-year ban on drilling in the Arctic National Wildlife Refuge.

So we go deep, ultra deep -- to such a technological frontier that no precedent exists for the April 20 blowout in the Gulf of Mexico.

There will always be catastrophic oil spills. You make them as rare as humanly possible, but where would you rather have one: in the Gulf of Mexico, upon which thousands depend for their livelihood, or in the Arctic, where there are practically no people? All spills seriously damage wildlife. That`s a given. But why have we pushed the drilling from the barren to the populated, from the remote wilderness to a center of fishing, shipping, tourism and recreation?

Not that the environmentalists are the only ones to blame. Not by far. But it is odd that they`ve escaped any mention at all.

The other culprits are pretty obvious. It starts with BP, which seems not only to have had an amazing string of perfect-storm engineering lapses but no contingencies to deal with a catastrophic system failure.

However, the railing against BP for its performance since the accident is harder to understand. I attribute no virtue to BP, just self-interest. What possible interest can it have to do anything but cap the well as quickly as possible? Every day that oil is spilled means millions more in losses, cleanup and restitution.

Federal officials who rage against BP would like to deflect attention from their own role in this disaster. Interior Secretary Ken Salazar, whose department`s laxity in environmental permitting and safety oversight renders it among the many bearing responsibility, expresses outrage at BP`s inability to stop the leak, and even threatens to "push them out of the way."

"To replace them with what?" asked the estimable, admirably candid Coast Guard Adm. Thad Allen, the national incident commander. No one has the assets and expertise of BP. The federal government can fight wars, conduct a census and hand out billions in earmarks, but it has not a clue how to cap a one-mile-deep out-of-control oil well.

Obama didn`t help much with his finger-pointing Rose Garden speech in which he denounced finger-pointing, then proceeded to blame everyone but himself. Even the grace note of admitting some federal responsibility turned sour when he reflexively added that these problems have been going on "for a decade or more" -- translation: Bush did it -- while, in contrast, his own interior secretary had worked diligently to solve the problem "from the day he took office."

Really? Why hadn`t we heard a thing about this? What about the September 2009 letter from Obama`s National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration accusing Interior`s Minerals Management Service of understating the "risk and impacts" of a major oil spill? When you get a blowout 15 months into your administration, and your own Interior Department had given BP a "categorical" environmental exemption in April 2009, the buck stops.

In the end, speeches will make no difference. If BP can cap the well in time to prevent an absolute calamity in the Gulf, the president will escape politically. If it doesn`t -- if the gusher isn`t stopped before the relief wells are completed in August -- it will become Obama`s Katrina.

That will be unfair, because Obama is no more responsible for the damage caused by this than Bush was for the damage caused by Katrina. But that`s the nature of American politics and its presidential cult of personality: We expect our presidents to play Superman. Helplessness, however undeniable, is no defense.

Moreover, Obama has never been overly modest about his own powers. Two years ago next week, he declared that history will mark his ascent to the presidency as the moment when "our planet began to heal" and "the rise of the oceans began to slow."

Well, when you anoint yourself King Canute, you mustn`t be surprised when your subjects expect you to command the tides.

Read more: Krauthammer: Whose blowout is it? - Boulder Daily Camera http://www.dailycamera.com/opinion-columnists/ci_15184246#ixzz0pRQFnfQb

[barryr]

Hilarious, the idiots on the left think those that want less government in our lives should be happy then the government does nothing about oil spills. Um, getting involved with my personal business is hardly the same as protecting the borders of this country, which is what immigration and accidents such as oil spills are involved with. But I know that is too much for the dullards on the left to comprehend. And these are the geniuses that spout consertatives and others only see things as black or white, yet they see things that way every subject.

[JJJ]

LOL ...why is it twisted ? you saying that didnt happen ? Are you saying the rules for drilling didnt change ?

Please supply the rule changes you speak of. I would like to look them over.

Are you saying if these changes were so obviously a problem the democratic congress didn't have almost 4 years to change them?

Are you saying that these companies weren't forced into such deep water by heavy restrictions to drilling closer to shore?

[Spider]

Please supply the rule changes you speak of. I would like to look them over.

Are you saying if these changes were so obviously a problem the democratic congress didn't have almost 4 years to change them?

Are you saying that these companies weren't forced into such deep water by heavy restrictions to drilling closer to shore?

dont know why i even bother ................ this is a huge waste , just like your idiotcy in the Bush supporter thread ... but here .............
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501842.html
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cheney_Energy_Task_Force
Yeah I am sure they met not to change policy , but to catch up on old times ...... you ****ing waste of skin

[JJJ]

dont know why i even bother ................ this is a huge waste , just like your idiotcy in the Bush supporter thread ... but here .............
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501842.html
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cheney_Energy_Task_Force
Yeah I am sure they met not to change policy , but to catch up on old times ...... you ****ing waste of skin

Oooh, secret meetings. What intrigue. No rewritten legislation.

I knew you had nothing.

[DBruleU]

dont know why i even bother ................ this is a huge waste , just like your idiotcy in the Bush supporter thread ... but here .............
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/11/15/AR2005111501842.html
http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Cheney_Energy_Task_Force
Yeah I am sure they met not to change policy , but to catch up on old times ...... you ****ing waste of skin

:oyvey:

[Spider]

LOLI knew it was a waste of time , u didnt click all of the links ........this is why I and many others here think you rae a waste of skin ........ your daddy ruined a perfect prick when he put ears on your head ......LMAO tard ........[http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2007/07/17/AR2007071701987.html?nav=rss_politics
At 10 a.m. on April 4, 2001, representatives of 13 environmental groups were brought into the Old Executive Office Building for a long-anticipated meeting. Since late January, a task force headed by Vice President Cheney had been busy drawing up a new national energy policy, and the groups were getting their one chance to be heard.

[Spider]

:oyvey:

LOL as if you would know what you was reading ....... 2 idiots ROFL!

[Spider]

JJJ try and focus ............At 10 a.m. on April 4, 2001, representatives of 13 environmental groups were brought into the Old Executive Office Building for a long-anticipated meeting. Since late January, a task force headed by Vice President Cheney had been busy drawing up a new national energy policy, and the groups were getting their one chance to be heard.

[JJJ]

JJJ try and focus ............At 10 a.m. on April 4, 2001, representatives of 13 environmental groups were brought into the Old Executive Office Building for a long-anticipated meeting. Since late January, a task force headed by Vice President Cheney had been busy drawing up a new national energy policy, and the groups were getting their one chance to be heard.

Since you were struggling to produce the said policies here they are.

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/energy/National-Energy-Policy.pdf

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Energy_Policy_Act_of_2005

Please point out the changes you think led to the oil disaster in the gulf.

[Spider]

Since you were struggling to produce the said policy here it is.

http://georgewbush-whitehouse.archives.gov/energy/National-Energy-Policy.pdf

Please point out the changes you think led to the oil disaster in the gulf.

LOL you silly bastard .......Seriously you think that they had energy meetings behind closed doors top secret to exchange recipes? you retard , right there in black and white , from a right wing rag about Cheney rewriting energy policy ......... when your Mom and Dad look at you , they have to have an empty feeling inside

[Spider]

LOL JJJ let me clue you in on what almost everyone knows , well except for you .......Deep sea drilling been around before , never an accident like this ........ Most people can put 2+2 together ............ It is obvious I know more about drilling and the patch then you ever will , you can bull**** yourself and a few others round here , but I have seen alot of changes including a weakening of the BLM...........So stop seriously you are in over your head

[JJJ]

LOL JJJ let me clue you in on what almost everyone knows , well except for you .......Deep sea drilling been around before , never an accident like this ........ Most people can put 2+2 together ............ It is obvious I know more about drilling and the patch then you ever will , you can bull**** yourself and a few others round here , but I have seen alot of changes including a weakening of the BLM...........So stop seriously you are in over your head

Unfortunatley, your wealth of knowledge on this subject certainly doesn't seem to translate all that well onto a computer screen. Perhaps if I provided you with some crayons and parchment paper we might be able to sit down and you can run me through the intricacies of the BLM.

[Spider]

Unfortunatley, your wealth of knowledge on this subject certainly doesn't seem to translate all that well onto a computer screen. Perhaps if I provided you with some crayons and parchment paper we might be able to sit down and you can run me through the intricacies of the BLM.LOL do a search on my past posting on Drilling and my stance .........You hack :rofl:

[JJJ]

LOL do a search on my past posting on Drilling and my stance .........You hack :rofl:

Or I could saw off my legs. Less painful but much more interesting.

[Spider]

LOL JJJ have you ever seen a horizontal drilling rig ? would you even be able to grasp the certain rules and regs that they have to follow over a conventional rig ? How about a shale oil drillin rig and the co2 gas injection ?
How about the draw works on a rig JJJ ?
crown ? whats a suitcase on a rig ?
........... tell me all about the Johnah field and how the rules there didnt change , or the mesa .... Perhaps with your link you can tell me why Line testing got more " laxed" I didnt see that in your link ........

[Spider]

Or I could saw off my legs. Less painful but much more interesting.

LOL thought so . see JJJ your a hack , I am not , and now you are once again fighting a losing battle , something stupid people do alot , I am pro oil , very much for shale oil drilling , did you know it only cost 12.00 a Barrel to bring shale oil up ? ........... the BLM used to be able to really have a good contingency plan for a " mishap" on a horizontal drilling rig and used ot be able to " fine a company " for not havin a plan , used to be able to hold up a lease , cant no more , Did you know every part on a horizontal rig has to be scrubbed down before it can be moved ? well now they only have to be hosed down ......Didnt see that in your link either ...........

[JJJ]

LOL JJJ have you ever seen a horizontal drilling rig ? would you even be able to grasp the certain rules and regs that they have to follow over a conventional rig ? How about a shale oil drillin rig and the co2 gas injection ?
How about the draw works on a rig JJJ ?
crown ? whats a suitcase on a rig ?
........... tell me all about the Johnah field and how the rules there didnt change , or the mesa .... Perhaps with your link you can tell me why Line testing got more " laxed" I didnt see that in your link ........

Impressive as this list is perhaps you could wrap up your circular argument by answering the original question. Which one of these complex portions of drilling technology was affected by the change in oil policy of the Bush administration and in turn caused the oil disaster in the gulf?

[cutthemdown]

JJJ is asking about what rule change that if it had not occurred, would have prevented the spill. What's so hard about that? Even a trucker should get it.

The biggest rule change IMO is whatever one that made them drill in 5000 feet instead of 500. At 500 feet this spill is already fixed. In there attempt to make it safer they had them drill so deep you can't get humans down to fix it.

[cutthemdown]

If anything this means no more drilling so deep that temps make safety equipment fail.

[cutthemdown]

Impressive as this list is perhaps you could wrap up your circular argument by answering the original question. Which one of these complex portions of drilling technology was affected by the change in oil policy of the Bush administration and in turn caused the oil disaster in the gulf?

Spider makes the classic because I can prove a and I can prove b, then that makes c true also. Obviously no logical thinking class in college for Spider.

Unbelievable that a President is supposed to be blamed for stuff like this. It's not Obama's fault, and it's not Bush's fault........I guess we should change it from the White House to the Goat House.

[watermock]

Jesus, read the original post. It was about bringing fake "workers"., then bussing them out.














sounds alot like Acorn.

[Spider]

Impressive as this list is perhaps you could wrap up your circular argument by answering the original question. Which one of these complex portions of drilling technology was affected by the change in oil policy of the Bush administration and in turn caused the oil disaster in the gulf?

LOL apparently you cant read , I told you more relaxed on the line testing , less restrictions on horizontal rigs for example , then handcuffing of the BLM .......I knew I put to much info out there for you

[Spider]

Spider makes the classic because I can prove a and I can prove b, then that makes c true also. Obviously no logical thinking class in college for Spider. the barfly speaks when he didnt read ......LMFAO not shoicked you would follow JJJ though , well then mr Bar fly you tell me about the relaxed testing on pipelines , and the just hosing off horizontal rigs ? maybe you can tell me why Horizontal rigs have to be cleaned before moving ?

Unbelievable that a President is supposed to be blamed for stuff like this. It's not Obama's fault, and it's not Bush's fault........I guess we should change it from the White House to the Goat House.
Even when the white house changes energy policy

[Spider]

JJJ is asking about what rule change that if it had not occurred, would have prevented the spill. What's so hard about that? Even a trucker should get it. LOL barfly reread my post , I gave a few examples but most of all i gave him proof Cheney re wrote enery policy .....LMAO you retard

The biggest rule change IMO is whatever one that made them drill in 5000 feet instead of 500. At 500 feet this spill is already fixed. In there attempt to make it safer they had them drill so deep you can't get humans down to fix it.
Se there you go again trying to bull**** your way through another post ....... the Rule Change wasnt so much the depth , Companies have drilled at this depth before Cheveron on Canada been doing it for year you retard ........ All this was , BP rushed a job with the wrong equipment .,Try getting your booze soak brain around that

[Spider]

deepest drilled so far is a little over 8,000 feet barfly ........ LOL you twit

[JJJ]

LOL apparently you cant read , I told you more relaxed on the line testing , less restrictions on horizontal rigs for example , then handcuffing of the BLM .......I knew I put to much info out there for you

So which of these three stabs in the dark is it?

[Spider]

So which of these three stabs in the dark is it?

thats it ? ........case closed Cheney re wrote energy policy relaxing alot of the rules ........class dismissed

[Spider]

so then JJJ why dont you tell me what went wrong ? ....... Please tell me you are smarter then bar fly and just blame depth of the water ...........

[Rigs11]

Hilarious, the idiots on the left think those that want less government in our lives should be happy then the government does nothing about oil spills. Um, getting involved with my personal business is hardly the same as protecting the borders of this country, which is what immigration and accidents such as oil spills are involved with. But I know that is too much for the dullards on the left to comprehend. And these are the geniuses that spout consertatives and others only see things as black or white, yet they see things that way every subject.

Yeah right. as soon as someone mentions government regulation around around here yout turn into a giant vagina.You know the government regulation that might have enforced tighter safety measures. the right have been screaming for years to drill off the coast, now that this disaster happens you go back to blaming bad ol government for not reacting in time.comical really.

[watermock]

Actually, this thrad was about the dog and pony show in Lousiana.

[Spider]

Yeah right. as soon as someone mentions government regulation around around here yout turn into a giant vagina.You know the government regulation that might have enforced tighter safety measures. the right have been screaming for years to drill off the coast, now that this disaster happens you go back to blaming bad ol government for not reacting in time.comical really.

how many times has the Wanker ( BarryR) cried socialism ?

[JJJ]

so then JJJ why dont you tell me what went wrong ? ....... Please tell me you are smarter then bar fly and just blame depth of the water ...........

I have no clue. I am waiting for the investigation to be completed.

Don't blame me if the Blame Bush Reflex kicked in prematurely again.

[Spider]

I have no clue. I am waiting for the investigation to be completed.

Don't blame me if the Blame Bush Reflex kicked in prematurely again.

LOL figures , I will tell you what went wrong , BP and Haliburton took short cuts , tried drillin on the cheap why ? Cause f they get by with it , there is no penalty under the current law ........ 10 years ago , they dont get to drill until everything passes inspection , and a plan for a disaster is approved ........ get the picture yet ? ............wait never mind stupid question forgot who I was talking to

[cutthemdown]

let's go lakers

[Spider]

let's go lakers

LOLHilarious! depth Hilarious!