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oubronco
05-28-2010, 07:46 PM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&oi=news_result&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CBYQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbusiness.gather.com%2FviewArticle .action%3FarticleId%3D281474978263765%26grpId%3D36 59174697244816&rct=j&q=2+year+old+smoker&ei=lXEATJ3TK4KClAf8hZXSCQ&usg=AFQjCNEh4pI590MnfNjq5IQD1VsRF8J9Xw

Damn these parents should be shot

Sorry I don't know how to post the video

Archer81
05-28-2010, 07:49 PM
Oh my gosh...a two year old throws a fit, so let him keep smoking.


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oubronco
05-28-2010, 07:52 PM
Smokes 40 cigarettes a day

Tombstone RJ
05-28-2010, 07:53 PM
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&oi=news_result&ct=res&cd=1&ved=0CBYQqQIwAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fbusiness.gather.com%2FviewArticle .action%3FarticleId%3D281474978263765%26grpId%3D36 59174697244816&rct=j&q=2+year+old+smoker&ei=lXEATJ3TK4KClAf8hZXSCQ&usg=AFQjCNEh4pI590MnfNjq5IQD1VsRF8J9Xw

Damn these parents should be shot

Sorry I don't know how to post the video

He's not gonna make it to 16 years old. Parents are actively killing their kid.

Ugly Duck
05-28-2010, 07:56 PM
Here ya go, ou...

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oubronco
05-28-2010, 07:57 PM
Thanks Duck

UberBroncoMan
05-28-2010, 08:08 PM
Seriously, what the ****. Then again, parents do worse throughout the world... still.

Blueflame
05-28-2010, 08:11 PM
How can anyone give a cigarette to an 18-month-old (his age when he started smoking)? Health issues aside, there are safety issues to consider... I'd be amazed if he didn't burn himself repeatedly with a lit cigarette in the first few times he smoked (most babies are very much attracted to... and reach for... shiny, glowing things like the "cherry" on the end of a cigarette). Also... even adult smokers can accidentally start a fire (fall asleep with lit cigarette, etc.)... the risk is far higher when the cigarette is in the hands of a baby.

loborugger
05-28-2010, 08:15 PM
When I lived in Bolivia, there was more than a few parents who hooked their kids on glue sniffing - for the same reason. The kid throws a fit, jam the glue in its face. Kid shuts up. And you are correct, many dont make it much past 18.

Ugly Duck
05-28-2010, 08:27 PM
When I lived in Bolivia, there was more than a few parents who hooked their kids on glue sniffing - for the same reason. The kid throws a fit, jam the glue in its face. Kid shuts up. And you are correct, many dont make it much past 18.

I didn't believe it till I looked it up... and it ain't just Bolivia:

http://www.gaia-photos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/edit-a-glue-7.jpg

http://www.gaia-photos.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/02/edit-a-glue-15.jpg

oubronco
05-28-2010, 08:58 PM
That is just pathetic

Mogulseeker
05-28-2010, 09:51 PM
You have no idea. There's a huge child opium addiction endemic in Afghanistan. It's part of the hold that the Taliban has on the region.

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JCMElway
05-28-2010, 10:13 PM
And I think to myself.....what a wonderful world.........

strafen
05-29-2010, 12:18 AM
Seriously, what the ****. Then again, parents do worse throughout the world... still.I've heard on KOA850 this morning his dad started him up at 18 months.
To make matters worse, the kid inhales!
Top that with obesity and the kid won't make it to his 5th birthday.
Really disturbed.
That just gos to show ya' what goes around in third world countries. No laws, no child protection.

Archer81
05-29-2010, 12:24 AM
That kid does not look 2. More like 4 on steroids.


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Los Broncos
05-29-2010, 01:52 AM
That's crazy, I'm sure glad I quit, I feel much better now.

strafen
05-29-2010, 07:48 AM
That's crazy, I'm sure glad I quit, I feel much better now.

Congrats man.
I quit smoking last year Jan. 13th.
Best thing I've done for myself. I feel great, and I don't miss it!

Meck77
05-29-2010, 07:57 AM
Smoking around a child is the SAME thing.

oubronco
05-29-2010, 08:04 AM
Smoking around a child is the SAME thing.

It sure is and when parents smoke and take drugs around them it's monkey see monkey do

Ugly Duck
05-29-2010, 08:17 AM
That just gos to show ya' what goes around in third world countries. No laws, no child protection.

Hey now... who wants Big Government interfering in their lives? Water the Tree of Liberty with the blood of tyrants!

loborugger
05-29-2010, 08:33 AM
Hey now... who wants Big Government interfering in their lives? Water the Tree of Liberty with the blood of tyrants!

Speaking of Bolivia, there were plenty of laws. However, they weren't enforced. The govt was too corrupt, too lazy, and too dysfunctional to enforce even the most simple of laws.

Giving a govt a lot of power and a lot creedence only leads to a dysfunctional state where the people exist to justify the leaders. Better a limited govt, with a limited scope of power that respects the rights and liberties of its people.

Pseudofool
05-29-2010, 08:56 AM
What's the life expectancy in Indonesia anyways? Especially in rural Indonesia. Given that there's a camera recording him, the family has more problems than just their health, I think.

Tombstone RJ
05-29-2010, 04:20 PM
Speaking of Bolivia, there were plenty of laws. However, they weren't enforced. The govt was too corrupt, too lazy, and too dysfunctional to enforce even the most simple of laws.

Giving a govt a lot of power and a lot creedence only leads to a dysfunctional state where the people exist to justify the state. Better a limited govt, with a limited scope of power that respects the rights and liberties of its people.

I took the liberty of changing your quote just a tad. :peace:

I completely agree, that being said, the gov should be there to protect against the abuses of liberty and to make sure citizen's rights are being protected. The ugly side of liberty is people will abuse it. We don't want a police state but we do want our freedom. It's the people who don't respect the laws that force the gov to have more power. That being said, one of the ways to protect the public from the abuse of liberty is to educate the public, hence free education for all. A true democracy can only exist with an educated population and this was understood by the founding fathers when the Constitution was written.

Liberty + Education = Prosperity IMHO.

Dedhed
05-29-2010, 05:56 PM
He's not gonna make it to 16 years old. Parents are actively killing their kid.

Not much different than parents feeding their obese kids 5000cals/day, imo.

loborugger
05-29-2010, 06:23 PM
I took the liberty of changing your quote just a tad. :peace:

I completely agree, that being said, the gov should be there to protect against the abuses of liberty and to make sure citizen's rights are being protected. The ugly side of liberty is people will abuse it. We don't want a police state but we do want our freedom. It's the people who don't respect the laws that force the gov to have more power. That being said, one of the ways to protect the public from the abuse of liberty is to educate the public, hence free education for all. A true democracy can only exist with an educated population and this was understood by the founding fathers when the Constitution was written.

Liberty + Education = Prosperity IMHO.

"Knowledge is, in every country, the surest basis of public happiness." --George Washington, First Annual Message, 1790

strafen
05-29-2010, 06:49 PM
What's the life expectancy in Indonesia anyways? Especially in rural Indonesia. Given that there's a camera recording him, the family has more problems than just their health, I think.http://www.google.com/publicdata?ds=wb-wdi&met=sp_dyn_le00_in&idim=country:IDN&dl=en&hl=en&q=life+expectancy+in+Indonesia

According to the World Bank, it is 70.8. Surprisingly, it's been on an upward trend.
While I was doing the search for this answer, I found out Afghanistan's life expectancy is/was 45.9 dating back in 2000. It's probably gone down in the last 6 years

Los Broncos
05-29-2010, 10:02 PM
Congrats man.
I quit smoking last year Jan. 13th.
Best thing I've done for myself. I feel great, and I don't miss it!

Thanks, same to you.

It's pretty tough to say the least.

Mogulseeker
05-29-2010, 10:59 PM
Not much different than parents feeding their obese kids 5000cals/day, imo.

I agree. (I was just sharing what I've concluded, but this turned into a mini-essay. Oh well.)

The problem is that the kids lungs are developing, but he'll live past 16. In an adult, it takes about 30 years for lung cancer to develop - it might be shorter since he is putting carcinogens in his body while in such an early stage of development. I'm actually researching a lot of this stuff for my Food Economics class.

Heart disease is the number one killer in America. The significance of this is that it is a degenerative disease. That is, it takes a long time and a lot of contributing factors to develop it - you don't just get it. It is a result of over-nutrition, ie diets consisting of high levels of saturated fat, cholesterol, fructose, hydrogenated oils, and sodium. Also, while protein is good for muscle replication, the vast majority of Americans get too much, at the same time not getting nearly enough fiber (vital for your body's ability to absorb nutrients) or potassium (vital for heart function and water retention). 80 percent of obese people die of heart-related degenerative disease.

Lung cancer is also a degenerative disease. Cancer, as a whole is the number two killer in America - I'm not sure where lung cancer is, but I would think that it would rank 3rd or fourth along with breast, testicular and prostate cancer. According to the cancer institute, the average life span in the US is 78, and the average life span of a smoker is 71.

That's a 7 year difference in the life spans of a smoker vs a non-smoker. They knew this is in 60s but for the most part it wasn't a huge deal. (The point should be made that 70% of smokers eventually die of a smoking-related disease.)

The issue now is obesity. According to CNN, the life span of an overweight person is on average 10 years lower than a healthy person.

ONE Big Mac w/fries and a coke has 71% of your daily value for saturated fat, 60% of the daily value of sodium, and the soda alone has over 58 grams of corn syrup, which is 8 grams above the daily recommended value. The sauce on a Big Mac is hydrogenated soybean oil (the sauce on the BMac alone has 28% of your recommended value of cholesterol), and coke uses phosphor for flavoring (causes ulcers down the road).

Conclusion: a Bic Mac is more unhealthy for you than a cig.

http://www.plosmedicine.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pmed.1000058
http://seer.cancer.gov/cgi-bin/csr/1975_2002/search.pl#results
http://www.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/03/18/healthmag.obesity.lifespan/index.html
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/foods-from-mcdonalds/6220/2
http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/fast-foods-generic/8054/2