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Tombstone RJ
05-22-2010, 06:13 PM
...but I got to thinking, don't laugh, if you could start another political party, what would you name it? I'm an Independent and I kinda feel that the salvation of our country may lie in the ability to generate a new and powerful third party in Washington. So, what would I call that party? We have the Democrats and the Republicans (who also go by the GOP for Grand Ol' Party) and back in the day I think there was the Federalist Party but that went away. I've narrowed it down to three:

1. The Independent Party (kinda says it all)
2. The Constitutional Party (Because I'm a rigid constitutionalist)
3. The Representative Party (Because I believe in more state power and less federal intervention)

If you're happy being a Republican or Democrat great! But if you're an independent like me who thinks more government means less freedom or you just don't like the current two parties in power, what say you?

Hogan11
05-22-2010, 06:15 PM
If you're happy being a Republican or Democrat great! But if you're an independent like me who thinks more government means less freedom or you just don't like the current two parties in power, what say you?

Sounds like a Libertarian to me

DHallblows
05-22-2010, 06:17 PM
Sounds like a Libertarian to me

Yeah, that's what I was gonna say LOL

Hogan11
05-22-2010, 06:20 PM
Yeah, that's what I was gonna say LOL

Rigid Constitutionalist, less Federal intervention into state affairs, more individual freedom and individual responsibility....yep, all adds up.

Tombstone RJ
05-22-2010, 06:37 PM
Sounds like a Libertarian to me

But they don't seem to be going anywhere...

Hogan11
05-22-2010, 06:40 PM
But they don't seem to be going anywhere...

Special interest groups are just too strong for anything outside the two party system to gain anything close to real momentum. Sad but true.

Tombstone RJ
05-22-2010, 06:43 PM
Special interest groups are just too strong for anything outside the two party system to gain anything close to real momentum. Sad but true.

tru dat...

orinjkrush
05-22-2010, 07:09 PM
the middle class party

Tombstone RJ
05-22-2010, 07:27 PM
the middle class party

why not? Seriously...

McDman
05-22-2010, 07:35 PM
The Anti-Federalist party/

Tombstone RJ
05-22-2010, 08:16 PM
The Anti-Federalist party/

si

Que
05-22-2010, 08:22 PM
There needs to be a split of the GOP between fiscal conservatives and social conservatives/neocons. What is going on now is unholy.

BroncoBuff
05-22-2010, 08:33 PM
The Peoples' Party

Pick Six
05-22-2010, 08:37 PM
The Te (Bow) party

RhymesayersDU
05-22-2010, 08:38 PM
I don't know what my party would be, but Tim Tebow would be our leader.

RhymesayersDU
05-22-2010, 08:38 PM
The Te (Bow) party

Oh mother ****er you beat me to Tebow by a minute.

Tombstone RJ
05-22-2010, 08:44 PM
The Peoples' Party

ok commie whatever...

Tombstone RJ
05-22-2010, 08:45 PM
The Te (Bow) party

I don't know but I like you're avy... I think...

sisterhellfyre
05-22-2010, 08:58 PM
If you're happy being a Republican or Democrat great! But if you're an independent like me who thinks more government means less freedom or you just don't like the current two parties in power, what say you?

Gonna take my cue from Alice Cooper, and vote the Wild Party.

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RhymesayersDU
05-22-2010, 09:08 PM
Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.

Tombstone RJ
05-22-2010, 09:09 PM
Gonna take my cue from Alice Cooper, and vote the Wild Party.

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are you flirting with me?

Tombstone RJ
05-22-2010, 09:12 PM
you sexy tramp you...

MrPeepers
05-22-2010, 09:42 PM
dont think you can fix it till you fix the first past the post system. the republicans will likely incorporate the libertarians to boost voter share.

Tombstone RJ
05-22-2010, 09:50 PM
dont think you can fix it till you fix the first past the post system. the republicans will likely incorporate the libertarians to boost voter share.

tell me of this first pass the post system...

Mogulseeker
05-22-2010, 10:32 PM
The Marijuana Party

Mogulseeker
05-22-2010, 10:36 PM
Actually, I think the "Screw you, we're experts and you're not" party would have my vote. Not that most people who vote these days have a clue about key issues.

Tombstone RJ
05-22-2010, 10:46 PM
The Marijuana Party

I'd be a card carrying member...

broncocalijohn
05-22-2010, 11:31 PM
Rigid Constitutionalist, less Federal intervention into state affairs, more individual freedom and individual responsibility....yep, all adds up.

Beerslug wants to know if he is a racist/bigot. If so, he can become a libertarian. BTW, isnt there already a Constitutional Party?

OCBronco
05-22-2010, 11:51 PM
The problem is, any third party would either have to ultimately wipe out one of the existing political parties, or else get absorbed into them. That's pretty much the way it's always worked in this country.

I don't like the idea of three parties, because it gives more power to the nutjobs. Much easier to get loons into office when you only need 35% of the vote.

Tombstone RJ
05-23-2010, 12:13 AM
The problem is, any third party would either have to ultimately wipe out one of the existing political parties, or else get absorbed into them. That's pretty much the way it's always worked in this country.

I don't like the idea of three parties, because it gives more power to the nutjobs. Much easier to get loons into office when you only need 35% of the vote.

don't rain on my friggen parade dude...

extralife
05-23-2010, 01:46 AM
1. The Independent Party (kinda says it all)
2. The Constitutional Party (Because I'm a rigid constitutionalist)
3. The Representative Party (Because I believe in more state power and less federal intervention)

1 is an oxymoron, and 3 is (in a modern political forum, at least) a tautology. way to be. 2 is simply empty politicking.

so they'd fit right in is basically what I'm saying.

OrangenBlueOhio
05-23-2010, 07:24 AM
I agree neither "party" is any good. So instead of a third party, why not just get rid of all parties. Let the guy stand for what he stands for.

I myself wouldn't be accepted by either party. I believe we have a right to bear arms. But I also believe we have right to abortions in the case of rape, or severe disabilities.

I think CEO's are making too much money (wealth redistribution). I also think Arizona's new law doesn't go far enough, there is only so many jobs and land in this great nation.

I don't believe people are truly gay/lesbian. I also believe we need to do more to protect the environment.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't agree with either side. And I believe more and more people don't either.

Pseudofool
05-23-2010, 07:37 AM
The way our government is set up with supermajority and majority rule etc., if there was another major political party our government would grind to a standstill. That, or you'd end up with a huge moderate party, that would occasionally side with one or either side to get something done. In the end it would be the same binary decisions being made. As long as politicians are at the mercy of public election, I'll remain skeptical that our government can do much beyond what is absolutely necessary to maintain our way of life.

epicSocialism4tw
05-23-2010, 12:53 PM
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Bloc Party

Hogan11
05-23-2010, 01:00 PM
Bloc Party

How about World Party then?


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Never cared for their MOR myself...

Tombstone RJ
05-23-2010, 01:07 PM
I agree neither "party" is any good. So instead of a third party, why not just get rid of all parties. Let the guy stand for what he stands for.

I myself wouldn't be accepted by either party. I believe we have a right to bear arms. But I also believe we have right to abortions in the case of rape, or severe disabilities.

I think CEO's are making too much money (wealth redistribution). I also think Arizona's new law doesn't go far enough, there is only so many jobs and land in this great nation.

I don't believe people are truly gay/lesbian. I also believe we need to do more to protect the environment.

I guess what I'm trying to say is, I don't agree with either side. And I believe more and more people don't either.

You sound like an independent who'd love more state's rights. That's what I'm advocating, let the state's make the laws that fit their constituency. As long as Constitional rights are protected by the fed gov and the supreme court, back the hell off. If people in Cali want to not enforce the immigration laws fine, but that shouldn't stop AZ from doing what it thinks is right. AZ isn't breaking any constitional laws by enforcing the immigration laws. Two different states, two different solutions to their problems. Same with things like gay marriage, abortion (which I'm against aside from extreme situations), marijuana legalization, gun laws, education, etc... These are all hot button issues and why not let the states have final say on how they want to deal with those issues. Again, the fed gov should only step in if the state is violating and individual's constitutional rights (which will be rare).

Oh, and you can't get rid of parties nor congress, but you can add political parties to the process.

Tombstone RJ
05-23-2010, 01:13 PM
The way our government is set up with supermajority and majority rule etc., if there was another major political party our government would grind to a standstill. That, or you'd end up with a huge moderate party, that would occasionally side with one or either side to get something done. In the end it would be the same binary decisions being made. As long as politicians are at the mercy of public election, I'll remain skeptical that our government can do much beyond what is absolutely necessary to maintain our way of life.

People keep saying this but other democracies have more than two parties and have done just fine. I'm not sure why this can't work in the USA. If you want the system to NOT grind to a standstill, get rid of lobbyists. Simple as that.

peacepipe
05-23-2010, 01:36 PM
But they don't seem to be going anywhere...That's because most people in this country don't sit that far to the right of the political spectrum. Libertarians are the far right of the republican party.

peacepipe
05-23-2010, 01:37 PM
People keep saying this but other democracies have more than two parties and have done just fine. I'm not sure why this can't work in the USA. If you want the system to NOT grind to a standstill, get rid of lobbyists. Simple as that.Lot easier to just get rid of the filibuster.

Hogan11
05-23-2010, 01:44 PM
That's because most people in this country don't sit that far to the right of the political spectrum. Libertarians are the far right of the republican party.

That's not necessarily true. Like all parties, the Libertarians have their spectrum as well. Most Libertarians I find are fiscally conservative, but extremely socially liberal. That's hardly the far right of the GOP.

peacepipe
05-23-2010, 02:04 PM
That's not necessarily true. Like all parties, the Libertarians have their spectrum as well. Most Libertarians I find are fiscally conservative, but extremely socially liberal. That's hardly the far right of the GOP.Then they need better mouthpieces cause rand & ron paul are doing them an injustice.

Tombstone RJ
05-23-2010, 02:06 PM
That's not necessarily true. Like all parties, the Libertarians have their spectrum as well. Most Libertarians I find are fiscally conservative, but extremely socially liberal. That's hardly the far right of the GOP.

Also, they tend to be isolationists in their foreign policy opinions. That is, stop the war, stop meddling in other countries affairs and concentrate more on things like the economy and making the US the economic leader of the free world. Tade is important, and I think libertarians would address things that hamper the US's ability to export more goods (when it comes to any foreign affairs stuff).

Hogan11
05-23-2010, 02:12 PM
Then they need better mouthpieces cause rand & ron paul are doing them an injustice.

They are media misrepresentations of the Libertarian Party. The Libertarian Party doesn't claim any association whatsoever to these people or their movements. Go to the Party's homepage and see for yourself, you'll find no mention or claim to any type of representation by these people anywhere on it.