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broncosteven
05-19-2010, 07:16 PM
I found this interesting and didn't see any mention of it here yet:

http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/may/10051811.html

Steve Jobs Says iPad Revolution Means ‘Freedom from Porn’

CUPERTINO, California, May 18, 2010 (LifeSiteNews.com) – Steve Jobs, CEO of Apple Computers, says his company will not be a party to the pornography industry and hopes that the iPad and iPhone revolution will help lead to a porn-free world.

Jobs reiterated his position in a heated e-mail exchange with Ryan Tate, a writer for Gawker.com, which follows news and gossip in Silicon Valley and elsewhere. Tate, who admitted that he was home alone and slightly inebriated at the time, took issue with a television ad calling the iPad a “revolution” and fired off an e-mail to Jobs.

“If Dylan [American songwriter Bob Dylan is one of Jobs’ favorite musicians] was 20 today, how would he feel about your company? Would he think the iPad had the faintest thing to do with ‘revolution?’ Revolutions are about freedom,” Tate wrote, not expecting a response from Jobs.

However, Jobs did respond to Tate, triggering an e-mail duel. “Yep, freedom from programs that steal your private data. Freedom from programs that trash your battery. Freedom from porn. Yep, freedom,” responded Jobs. “The times they are a changin’, and some traditional PC folks feel like their world is slipping away. It is.”

However, Tate accused Jobs of "imposing" his "morality" by having Apple forbid pornographic applications for iPad. “I don’t want ‘freedom from porn.’ Porn is just fine! And I think my wife would agree,” fired back Tate - who later said he regretted mentioning his wife.

Jobs shot back, “You might care more about porn when you have kids.”

Apple’s CEO pointed out that competitor Microsoft has the right to make whatever rules it wants on its platforms; developers who do not comply simply go elsewhere, and can do the same with Apple.

“We’re just doing what we can to try and make (and preserve) the user experience we envision,” said Jobs. “You can disagree with us, but our motives are pure.”

In an exchange with customer Matthew Browning posted by Techcrunch.com in April, Jobs had defended Apple’s crusade to keep pornography off its products.

“We do believe we have a moral responsibility to keep porn off the iPhone. Folks who want porn can buy [an] Android phone,” he said, referring to the product of competitor Google, which has permitted a pornography store app for its smartphone.

Apple’s iPad and iPhone do not offer complete freedom from pornography - objectionable material can still be accessed via the Internet, and may be attainable through iTunes - but most pornographic clips cannot, since they require Adobe Flash products, which Apple refuses to support for a variety of reasons.

“Clearly opposed to pornography, Jobs surely realizes he can’t make it go away completely,” commented Sam Diaz, senior editor of ZDNET, last month. “But he doesn’t have to contribute to the spreading of it - especially in a place where children often shop using a technology that many parents still don’t understand well enough to police.”

Apple requires application designers to adhere to a company policy that could be described as “pro-family:” The iPhone Developer Program License Agreement (sec 3.3.17) states that “applications may be rejected if they contain content or materials of any kind (text, graphics, images, photographs, sounds, etc.) that in Apple’s ...

More here: http://www.lifesitenews.com/ldn/2010/may/10051811.html

Archer81
05-19-2010, 07:23 PM
Hmm..

When the machines overthrow us and we are locked in a life and death struggle against them we can thank Jobs for it.

:Broncos:

RhymesayersDU
05-19-2010, 07:25 PM
All I own is an iPod but I'm of the opinion that Apple or any other company has the right to manufacture their product as they see fit. Nobody is forcing people to buy an iPod, iPhone, or iPad.

If it's the company's prerogative to ban porn, so be it. If the market doesn't like that, the market won't buy it.

RhymesayersDU
05-19-2010, 07:25 PM
Hmm..

When the machines overthrow us and we are locked in a life and death struggle against them we can thank Jobs for it.

:Broncos:

Skynet has become self-aware!

Archer81
05-19-2010, 07:27 PM
Skynet has become self-aware!


****.


:Broncos:

baja
05-19-2010, 07:28 PM
GOOD JOB Steve Jobs

Bill Maher on his show this week;

"I think we should let Apple run America"

atomicbloke
05-19-2010, 07:31 PM
Exactly. No one forced anyone to buy an iPad.

ColoradoDarin
05-19-2010, 07:35 PM
I've been thinking about buying either an iPod Touch or an iPad lately (my laptop's graphics card seems to be slowly melting) or a netbook. I've never owned an Apple product before - 25 years of my dad working for IBM made me a PC person...but this seems to seal it, I think I'll buy one or the other soon.

BTW, It can't be fascism, the government is not involved one way or the other. It is a private company making a business decision. Each individual is free to either buy or not buy their products.

Man-Goblin
05-19-2010, 07:55 PM
I like porn, but I also like apple products. Makes more sense now that they won't go near the adobe flash player.

My universes are colliding and crashing down on top of me.

-Sent from my iPhone

Hercules Rockefeller
05-19-2010, 08:49 PM
All I own is an iPod but I'm of the opinion that Apple or any other company has the right to manufacture their product as they see fit. Nobody is forcing people to buy an iPod, iPhone, or iPad.

If it's the company's prerogative to ban porn, so be it. If the market doesn't like that, the market won't buy it.

Pretty much sums it up perfectly

Play2win
05-19-2010, 09:00 PM
I like porn, but I also like apple products. Makes more sense now that they won't go near the adobe flash player.

My universes are colliding and crashing down on top of me.

-Sent from my iPhone

Perfect!

-posted from an iPhone (2g)

Popps
05-19-2010, 09:14 PM
Wait, you mean... Apple wants creative and financial control over their own products?

What kind of bull**** is that?

Dr. Broncenstein
05-19-2010, 09:16 PM
I refuse to pay hundreds of dollars for a computer with which I cannot fap.

Popps
05-19-2010, 09:18 PM
****, the next thing you know... Apple will be expecting Americans to simply exercise their right to either buy their products, or not buy them.

What rubbish.

OABB
05-19-2010, 11:02 PM
The Ipad is too big and bulky to whank it to anyways. I recomend the iPod touch because you can hold it in one hand and the other is free.

orange&blue87
05-20-2010, 07:05 AM
Hard to say without knowing what "facism" means...

bowtown
05-20-2010, 07:21 AM
This is a stupid argument. It's like Fruit Loops accusing Kashi of being fascist because they restrict sugar from their cereal.

orange&blue87
05-20-2010, 11:50 AM
I'm curious because I don't know... but for those of you with Android or other cell phones that have flash, what control does the user have over flash playing? Since many ads, most of which are built on flash and have audio, begin playing whenever they feel like it, does a user have the ability to limit when a flash application becomes active?

I find myself having to use flash blockers on my desktops and laptops to avoid having to deal with the problems flash creates. I understand that many of you may not consider this to be a big issue, but for me it is one of my peeves against flash and a large part why I enjoy my iPhone & iPad being without it.

bowtown
05-20-2010, 11:53 AM
I'm curious because I don't know... but for those of you with Android or other cell phones that have flash, what control does the user have over flash playing? Since many ads, most of which are built on flash and have audio, begin playing whenever they feel like it, does a user have the ability to limit when a flash application becomes active?

I find myself having to use flash blockers on my desktops and laptops to avoid having to deal with the problems flash creates. I understand that many of you may not consider this to be a big issue, but for me it is one of my peeves against flash and a large part why I enjoy my iPhone & iPad being without it.

There isn't a version of Flash that works on cell phones yet. 10.1 is supposed to launch with the Android 2.2 platform later in the year.

Kaylore
05-20-2010, 11:57 AM
Apple will find a market with this move, but they'll also lose some as well. I'm curious to see where they make out in the end.

epicSocialism4tw
05-20-2010, 01:09 PM
Good stuff, Jobs.

This is an excellent creative solution to a problem. My next computer will certainly be an Apple.

Rohirrim
05-20-2010, 01:15 PM
"John McCain thinks an I-Pad is something a woman puts on her X-Box once a month."
(Bill Maher)

TDmvp
05-20-2010, 01:18 PM
Yea right , Like apple can stop anything.

This is just hype. Much like the no viruses on a apple thing that all old people think is true.

They will say stuff like this so mom and dads think OOOoooo , there's no porn on apples so it has to be safe for the kiddies , just like there is no viruses .


... meanwhile you can hack there products to do whatever you like , and normally you dont even have to do that.

And like apple is going to pigen whole themselves and shrink their own buyers pool.
Yea right.



I own a pwr book , nice machines , but no better then any other machine windows based or whatever os you want.

gyldenlove
05-20-2010, 01:33 PM
This is a stupid argument. It's like Fruit Loops accusing Kashi of being fascist because they restrict sugar from their cereal.

Freedom of boobs!

Apple is clearly limiting young eastern european women everywhere from exposing their boobs and taking the shot for a bit of money, this clearly violates some ammendment or other, and if not it is only because the founding fathers thought it was so self evident that the distribution and possession of boob mojo and related imagery should never be hindered that they didn't bother to put it in.

Limiting sugar, fat or cyanide content in cereal is at worst a grey area, limiting access to boob mojo is at best a crime against humanity and at worst something so sinister not even the devil would attempt it.

El Jué
05-20-2010, 01:51 PM
Apple will find a market with this move, but they'll also lose some as well. I'm curious to see where they make out in the end.

Jobs has never been shy about offering a product that excludes a large fraction of the market.

Popps
05-20-2010, 02:02 PM
I bought a competing media tablet last week.

The next morning, I was dragged from my home into an unmarked government vehicle where I was taken to the store to return it, and forced to purchase the Apple iPad instead.

I was returned to my home, but not before being beaten beyond recognition.

El Jué
05-20-2010, 02:05 PM
I bought a competing media tablet last week.

The next morning, I was dragged from my home into an unmarked government vehicle where I was taken to the store to return it, and forced to purchase the Apple iPad instead.

I was returned to my home, but not before being beaten beyond recognition.

While that lesson is still fresh in your mind let's discuss how you're going to vote this coming November.

bowtown
05-20-2010, 02:09 PM
I bought a competing media tablet last week.

The next morning, I was dragged from my home into an unmarked government vehicle where I was taken to the store to return it, and forced to purchase the Apple iPad instead.

I was returned to my home, but not before being beaten beyond recognition.

Exactly, I'm not a giant fan of apple, mostly because I prefer an open platform and I'm willing to sacrifice some some performance and quality, and all design and packaging gimmicks I can, for a lower price tag.

But to complain about a company making choices about its product or how it runs its PR campaigns is just stupid. Don't buy it. Get on with your life.

mkporter
05-20-2010, 02:27 PM
The Ipad is too big and bulky to whank it to anyways. I recomend the iPod touch because you can hold it in one hand and the other is free.

My thoughts exactly. The iPod's screen is kinda small for this kind of use, IMO.

Que
05-20-2010, 10:42 PM
This is a stupid argument. It's like Fruit Loops accusing Kashi of being fascist because they restrict sugar from their cereal.

This

OABB
05-20-2010, 11:00 PM
My thoughts exactly. The iPod's screen is kinda small for this kind of use, IMO.

I've gotten used to it. I can even enlarge images one handed and highlight areas where I see fit. It's spanktastic IMO.