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HEAV
05-13-2010, 03:47 PM
Broncos star outside linebacker Elvis Dumervil is scheduled to return to Denver on Sunday and is expected to be at Dove Valley when the team holds its first voluntary organized team activity starting Monday morning.

It is unclear if Dumervil will participate in the on-field practices because he has not signed his restricted free-agent tender, but that fact he is showing up could be a sign of goodwill between Dumervil and the team.

Dumervil has not attended the Broncos' voluntary conditioning program that started in March.

"I think we'll see Elvis on Sunday, and we're looking forward to that," coach Josh McDaniels said this afternoon, after giving the keynote speech at the scholarship luncheon for the John Lynch Foundation at Invesco Field at Mile High.


Dumervil has until June 15 to sign the tender that will guarantee him a salary of $3.168 million in 2010. Dumervil, who led the NFL in sacks and made his first Pro Bowl in 2009, is in line for a major contract, perhaps on par with the $38 million guaranteed that Terrell Suggs received from the Ravens before last season.

Dumervil is the last of the Broncos restricted free agents to remain unsigned. Quarterback Kyle Orton and right guard Chris Kuper signed their tenders, so they could work out with the team this spring. Brandon Marshall and Tony Scheffler signed their tenders just before both players were traded in April.


http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15079898?source=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dp-sports-broncos+%28Denver+Post%3A+Sports%3A+Broncos%29

broncocalijohn
05-13-2010, 03:48 PM
Something positive I see. Let us get ready for 2010 with Elvis at LB.

Dr. Broncenstein
05-13-2010, 03:48 PM
Open the vault and let him take whatever he wants.

Pick Six
05-13-2010, 03:53 PM
Dumervil has until June 15 to sign the tender that will guarantee him a salary of $3.168 million in 2010. Dumervil, who led the NFL in sacks and made his first Pro Bowl in 2009, is in line for a major contract, perhaps on par with the $38 million guaranteed that Terrell Suggs received from the Ravens before last season.

http://www.denverpost.com/broncos/ci_15079898?source=rss&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+dp-sports-broncos+%28Denver+Post%3A+Sports%3A+Broncos%29

That's why I like to vote for players who don't have the numbers to legitimately go to the Pro Bowl. It's just a negotiation ploy on the part of the players, and is therefore meaningless...

Kaylore
05-13-2010, 03:57 PM
I say pay him. He's our boy. A bit of a one-trick pony, but his one trick is pretty awesome.

PRBronco
05-13-2010, 03:59 PM
I say pay him. He's our boy. A bit of a one-trick pony, but his one trick is pretty awesome.

And he has a very low "arrest quotient". I'm comfortable paying the man.

SouthStndJunkie
05-13-2010, 04:01 PM
I say pay him. He's our boy. A bit of a one-trick pony, but his one trick is pretty awesome.

I'll take a 17 sack, 4 forced fumbles, first year at OLB in a 3-4, one-trick pony every damn day of the week.

oubronco
05-13-2010, 04:05 PM
I'll take a 17 sack, 4 forced fumbles, first year at OLB in a 3-4, one-trick pony every damn day of the week.

Amen Brotha

mkporter
05-13-2010, 04:07 PM
I say pay him. He's our boy. A bit of a one-trick pony, but his one trick is pretty awesome.

This. Also, if we're setting examples by sending the malcontents out of town, we really need to be reinforcing the example by giving the $$$ to the talented guys who are team-first players.

azbroncfan
05-13-2010, 04:09 PM
I'll take a 17 sack, 4 forced fumbles, first year at OLB in a 3-4, one-trick pony every damn day of the week.

Yeah might as well pay him. Good guy, home grown and rushes the passer.

ohiobronco2
05-13-2010, 04:09 PM
I'll take a 17 sack, 4 forced fumbles, first year at OLB in a 3-4, one-trick pony every damn day of the week.

This.

UberBroncoMan
05-13-2010, 04:09 PM
Elvis deserves to get paid, but not #1. His tackling needs work and is not in par with the best by any means. His coverage skills also need work.

He can get to the QB but if he wants to get paid #1 he needs to be a #1 all around player and not a major liability in any facet of the game.

I'm all for giving him a 6 year 40 million dollar contract. Not a 6 year $68 million or whatever the hell Suggs got though.

Dagmar
05-13-2010, 04:10 PM
Football chat! Woooooo!!!

http://i41.tinypic.com/wjig7k.gif

TheReverend
05-13-2010, 04:10 PM
I say pay him. He's our boy. A bit of a one-trick pony, but his one trick is pretty awesome.

Precisely.

Example:

Does anyone care if Adriana Lima has any other tricks? Or would you be THOROUGHLY content with 1? :wiggle:

ColoradoDarin
05-13-2010, 04:11 PM
I hope this means that they have a nice contract ready for him to sign when he arrives!

And cake, gotta have cake!

crush17
05-13-2010, 04:18 PM
I'll take a 17 sack, 4 forced fumbles, first year at OLB in a 3-4, one-trick pony every damn day of the week.


truer words are rarely spoken.

pay.
this.
man.

Dr. Broncenstein
05-13-2010, 04:28 PM
Precisely.

Example:

Does anyone care if Adriana Lima has any other tricks? Or would you be THOROUGHLY content with 1? :wiggle:

http://www.djcubez.com/pictures/animated/motorboat.gif

Atwater His Ass
05-13-2010, 04:31 PM
The ability to get to the QB is a rare one and the cost of that skill set will always be at a premium in the NFL.

TheElusiveKyleOrton
05-13-2010, 04:33 PM
This. Also, if we're setting examples by sending the malcontents out of town, we really need to be reinforcing the example by giving the $$$ to the talented guys who are team-first players.

This. Is the best point made on this thread.

Really solid. Rep.

baja
05-13-2010, 04:34 PM
I'll take a 17 sack, 4 forced fumbles, first year at OLB in a 3-4, one-trick pony every damn day of the week.

No kidding.

bombay
05-13-2010, 04:35 PM
He gets held on damn near every play.

worm
05-13-2010, 04:38 PM
I'll take a 17 sack, 4 forced fumbles, first year at OLB in a 3-4, one-trick pony every damn day of the week.

Pay him.

However, I would like to see him perform better at the end of the year. 10 of his sacks came in the first 6 games.

Great players play great in must win games (well, except for Lebron).

PRBronco
05-13-2010, 04:43 PM
He gets held on damn near every play.

I wonder if his Pro Bowl year pushes him into the ranks of super stardom where officials will actually start to notice this? That'd be friggin sweet.

Kaylore
05-13-2010, 04:44 PM
Elvis deserves to get paid, but not #1. His tackling needs work and is not in par with the best by any means. His coverage skills also need work.

He can get to the QB but if he wants to get paid #1 he needs to be a #1 all around player and not a major liability in any facet of the game.

I'm all for giving him a 6 year 40 million dollar contract. Not a 6 year $68 million or whatever the hell Suggs got though.

This raises an interesting question. What is Dumervil really worth? He's definitely not great in coverage and he can get pushed around in the running game. He's not a great pursuit player either.

However as a pass rush specialist there is none better. Aside from statistics confirming this (leading all players in sacks by a wide margin) he also played along a below average line with no other real threats (though they did play over their heads last year.) He commanded double teams and was still prolific.

In and the new pass crazy NFL, pressure is an expensive commodity. Teams like the Rams, Jags and Buccs have been sinking countless high draft picks into trying to acquire these players. That will definitely increase his value.

However his small size and lack of skills in other areas does limit his versatility and therefore value, especially compared to other more complete players.

It's a good question.

Dr. Broncenstein
05-13-2010, 05:20 PM
This raises an interesting question. What is Dumervil really worth? He's definitely not great in coverage and he can get pushed around in the running game. He's not a great pursuit player either.

However as a pass rush specialist there is none better. Aside from statistics confirming this (leading all players in sacks by a wide margin) he also played along a below average line with no other real threats (though they did play over their heads last year.) He commanded double teams and was still prolific.

In and the new pass crazy NFL, pressure is an expensive commodity. Teams like the Rams, Jags and Buccs have been sinking countless high draft picks into trying to acquire these players. That will definitely increase his value.

However his small size and lack of skills in other areas does limit his versatility and therefore value, especially compared to other more complete players.

It's a good question.

Easy answer: Whatever it costs to keep him.

TheReverend
05-13-2010, 05:21 PM
This raises an interesting question. What is Dumervil really worth? He's definitely not great in coverage and he can get pushed around in the running game. He's not a great pursuit player either.

However as a pass rush specialist there is none better. Aside from statistics confirming this (leading all players in sacks by a wide margin) he also played along a below average line with no other real threats (though they did play over their heads last year.) He commanded double teams and was still prolific.

In and the new pass crazy NFL, pressure is an expensive commodity. Teams like the Rams, Jags and Buccs have been sinking countless high draft picks into trying to acquire these players. That will definitely increase his value.

However his small size and lack of skills in other areas does limit his versatility and therefore value, especially compared to other more complete players.

It's a good question.

Freeney money. Similar player with similar uses and impact.

Drek
05-13-2010, 05:49 PM
I say pay him. He's our boy. A bit of a one-trick pony, but his one trick is pretty awesome.

Only problem is that without a cap base salary can only go up 30% year to year.

So the fact that Doom is a 4th rounder who panned out only hurts his ability to get an extension.

In order to give him the 5 year ~$45M deal he's worth we'd need to give him the vast majority of that as bonus money. Not an easy way to work out a deal.

ColoradoDarin
05-13-2010, 06:01 PM
Only problem is that without a cap base salary can only go up 30% year to year.

So the fact that Doom is a 4th rounder who panned out only hurts his ability to get an extension.

In order to give him the 5 year ~$45M deal he's worth we'd need to give him the vast majority of that as bonus money. Not an easy way to work out a deal.

Surely you can structure a contract around that. Like roster bonuses ($5 million roster bonus in lieu of annual salary), performance bonuses and signing bonus.

GoBroncos84
05-13-2010, 06:21 PM
Only problem is that without a cap base salary can only go up 30% year to year.

So the fact that Doom is a 4th rounder who panned out only hurts his ability to get an extension.

In order to give him the 5 year ~$45M deal he's worth we'd need to give him the vast majority of that as bonus money. Not an easy way to work out a deal.

Lots of players have gotten around that this offseason, it can be done

DarkHorse
05-13-2010, 06:23 PM
How about we just pay the guy and not **** around this time?

NYBronco
05-13-2010, 06:27 PM
No team seems to want to sign him for the value the Broncos placed on him. So his value is somewhere in between his original and less than the Bronco tender value.

rugbythug
05-13-2010, 06:27 PM
Only problem is that without a cap base salary can only go up 30% year to year.

So the fact that Doom is a 4th rounder who panned out only hurts his ability to get an extension.

In order to give him the 5 year ~$45M deal he's worth we'd need to give him the vast majority of that as bonus money. Not an easy way to work out a deal.

This is for extending a player already under contract.

fdf
05-13-2010, 06:35 PM
Easy answer: Whatever it costs to keep him.

25 Billion dollars?

FireFly
05-13-2010, 07:04 PM
This. Also, if we're setting examples by sending the malcontents out of town, we really need to be reinforcing the example by giving the $$$ to the talented guys who are team-first players.

:thumbsup::thumbsup:

Perfectly said.

FireFly
05-13-2010, 07:06 PM
Freeney money. Similar player with similar uses and impact.

You're probably about right, but mark my words, he'll make more than Suggs made.

Dedhed
05-13-2010, 07:13 PM
Pay the man, and handsomely. Put as much of his contract on the books as you possibly can for next season.

High impact player, and everything McDaniels is looking for off the field. He's the perfect player to use as an example that being a solid human and producing on the field will pay off in a big way.

Ugly Duck
05-13-2010, 07:30 PM
Drat. Denver should let him move on to a contender, IMO.

Dr. Broncenstein
05-13-2010, 07:41 PM
Drat. Denver should let him move on to a contender, IMO.

For example of said logic, see how the Chargers handled Micheal Turner. The guy's best shot at a legitimate post-season winner was to get the hell out of SD.

Ugly Duck
05-13-2010, 08:02 PM
For example of said logic, see how the Chargers handled Micheal Turner. The guy's best shot at a legitimate post-season winner was to get the hell out of SD.

I agree... Turner should get the hell out the division, too... it would really be the best thing for both him and Dumervil

orange&blue87
05-13-2010, 08:26 PM
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Jesterhole
05-13-2010, 09:56 PM
Probably trying to piss him off so that he can be traded for a 3rd round pick.

watermock
05-13-2010, 10:03 PM
Elvis is negotiating in good faith.

50/50.

Paladin
05-14-2010, 12:47 AM
3+ mil is some good change. I don't now if he'd be worth more than 5 mil given the narrow set of skills he brings. There are no real reasons to give anyone a contract beyond this year without an agreement. Not many of the FAs got really good deals.......

It is easy for people who are not running the business to recommend how that business should spend its money.......

dbfan21
05-14-2010, 06:26 AM
I say pay him. He's our boy. A bit of a one-trick pony, but his one trick is pretty awesome.

Agreed. His presence changes the way offenses can attack. Give him a raise and let's focus on football.

TheReverend
05-14-2010, 06:52 AM
For example of said logic, see how the Chargers handled Micheal Turner. The guy's best shot at a legitimate post-season winner was to get the hell out of SD.

He's not a Charger fan...

montrose
05-14-2010, 09:30 AM
I love Elvis, probably my favorite player to watch now that Marshall's gone, but I am a bit nervous about dishing out big bucks to him - at least right now. He could play this sesaon on his tender, because he doesn't really have any other options, and if he replicates his production from a season ago - you can use the franchise tag on him and if he replicates that production again in 2011 (assuming there is football played) - extend him during the season.

I don't expect that to happen and I'll by no means be upset if Elvis signs a large extention right now but putting big money into any one player makes me a bit nervous - I suppose I've bought into the team-first montra a bit too much, lol.

baja
05-14-2010, 11:18 AM
I love Elvis, probably my favorite player to watch now that Marshall's gone, but I am a bit nervous about dishing out big bucks to him - at least right now. He could play this sesaon on his tender, because he doesn't really have any other options, and if he replicates his production from a season ago - you can use the franchise tag on him and if he replicates that production again in 2011 (assuming there is football played) - extend him during the season.

<b>I don't expect that to happen and I'll by no means be upset if Elvis signs a large extention right now but putting big money into any one player makes me a bit nervous - I suppose I've bought into the team-first montra a bit too much, lol.

I'm of the same thinking, the McD business plan calls for a bunch of interchangeable soldiers, question is does that leave money to pay a few stars

boppool
05-14-2010, 02:01 PM
http://boppool.fileave.com/jerrymaguiremoney.jpg

Houshyamama
05-14-2010, 02:07 PM
He's not a Charger fan...

:rofl: I saw that too but wanted to see how long it would take him to figure it out.